>one (or both) of the Lost Primarchs will be revealed to be female
>this will either have been a deliberate choice by the Emperor or the result of Chaos frickery or some other outside force
>as a result, the Marines made from the geneseed of the Primarch(s) will also be female
This is how GW will add in female Space Marines. Calling it now.
I don't understand the fixation on the idea of female Space Marines, when the Sisters of Battle exist.
There's already a faction of women in power armor with bolters, and they're canonically even more loyal and faithful than the Marines.
Counterpoint: If it already exists why is it a problem for them to just be Space Marines? Either there's no difference if they start painting themselves ultramarine and putting the toilet seat on their shoulders or there is a difference and it implies they are not equal.
Because if you're going to retcon lore that has been established for 30+ years, you should have a damned good reason to do so.
Given that there's already a faction providing female representation in the Imperium, the only possible reason for introducing female Space Marines would be to pander to SJWs who dislike the idea of gender-segregated organizations. And since I find the existence of that sort of person fundamentally offensive, and effort to pander to them is similarly offensive.
What's even dumber is the Custodes have been paired with the Sisters of Silence for, what, 12 years now? And when they launched the Indomitus Crusade books 8 years ago it was stated that the Custodes and the Sisters were two halves of a single unit, each complementing the other.
Guess that wasn't enough.
>you should have a damned good reason to do so.
There will never be a good reason to do so.
Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, SM, and Custards all have distinct traits and playstyle. Lore-wise, in times of need, these factions could team up and form a big armies to cover each other's ass, but insinuate that there would be females within the ranks of SM/AC or males within SoB/SoS is just fricking dumb
So it's fine if they have males within the ranks of Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle, right?
You made some of the dumbest fricking posts on this entire site, congrats.
Why not? We already know there are male blanks and pariahs. The Sisters shouldn't be Sisters anymore either. Just make them Space Marines but specialists, just like the Exorcists are immune to demon possession.
You know that there's a massive difference between SoB and Astartes, right? Are you suggesting that the retcon be so complete that the entire concept of SoB literally being "Nuns with Guns" is thrown out the window and they're now just genetically enhanced super-soldiers?
That's fricking goofy, dude. Just say you're a flaming reddit poofter and call people bigots for not wanting lore-inaccurate-until-massive-retcon Female Space Marines.
there have always been Misters of Silence
yes, that should happen.
Because nuns are women & monks are men. Being insular, mono-gendered cultish fanatics is the aesthetic.
Sisters of Battle are nuns with guns, Space Marines are crusading warrior monks and by blending the two you make them no longer emblematic of the historical organisations & aesthetics they are meant to reference.
This ought to be obvious, even to decently educated children. That alleged adults regularly miss this speaks mostly to a wilful blindness borne usually of ideological or fetishistic predilections.
So fricking grow up.
So, you were throwing huge fits about the Space Wolves and Salamanders having sex and families too, right?
Right, so when it comes to appealing to men and boys, you're thinking that ten-foot musclegirls won't do that? Is that the argument you're trying to make?
That's famous for causing shitstorms and arguments too moronic newbie. I'm a newbie too but even I know that.
That wasn't rhetorical. I remember those arguments. I just wanted to make sure that you were one of those people, which it seems that you are, so at least you're not a hypocrite. Personally, I think that trying to make the extremely homogeneous potato men even more homogeneous isn't the right tack, but eh.
Removing what makes them distinct is making them more homogeneous. Saying they should remain evocative of the medieval/ancient organisations they are inspired by is not.
It’s very easy to hide this from yourself because of some sexual predilection or other, but you will always be recognised for what you are by the rest of us.
So what makes them distinct when Orks are also all-male, and making all-male armies of any other faction is trivial?
Also, what am I?
A homosexual.
Yes, and? We're all homosexuals here.
Embarrassing admission.
Orks are not thematic references to historic orders of warrior monks. They’re references to drunken hooliganism & wanton love of destruction.
That these things are both decidedly male does not make them indistinct. Please stop pretending to be dumb.
So are the templars from Dragon Age, who do have women. Since they actually use the same equipment used by said historic warrior monks, and exist in similar social and technological paradigms, they are objectively closer to that archetype than Space Marines. What is the thing you're worried about losing?
You are proving his point. No one cares about templars in dragon age (or dragon age in general) because they're a generic featureless blob, their only defininig trait is 'magic bad'.
Oh, there were some really vicious arguments between the mage and templar supporters back in the day. DA2 spawned a shitton of them. Then DAI handled the conflict in a way that everyone found mediocre and it died down a bit, then the fandom was left to rot for ten years, but now we've got Dreadwolf hopium so who knows what the future holds?
I'm sure there were 'vicious arguments' about which teletubby was the sexiest too.
Almost everyone agrees that every single faction was a moronic caricature in Dragon Age 2. Arguing who was marginally less moronic is meaningless.
And arguing about wiener vs. pussy on an armored potato golem is more meaningful?
Because some people think it'd be cool. Since "cool" is the only reason anything in 40K exists, it's as good a reason as any.
>And arguing about wiener vs. pussy on an armored potato golem is more meaningful?
If it's so meaningless why contradict 30 years of lore to change it in the first place?
>8th edition is 30 years old
How the time flies...
I literally just answered that in the post you replied to.
Some people think it'd be cool to have a race of humanoid chihuahuas with dildo guns and pixie wings.
Cool, those people can make it then.
No doubt. And GW would absolutely add them if it thought they'd buy enough models.
>Admit it's a pandering worthless change for a minority
>"This is why communism le heckin xirster!"
All of the people this would appeal to are Marxists and cultural Marxists.
What minority? Take out your culture war glasses and see that it's a product.
The minority of people who would think it's cool you bot.
That would be every product ever save for mandatory neccessities like water. By that logic almost nothing should be made.
Your program is breaking down moron. No successful product has ever sabotaged what the majority thought was appealing for a minority that didn't even play. I'm done responding to your homosexual ass, choke on dicks literally elsewhere.
You're assuming majority opinion based on nothing and then get mad when actual people don't act according to your imagined reality. Even now you claim that I don't exist, because how coule I? I am after all disagreeing with you, and that is simply impossible.
You are a moronic bot. This post makes no sense when compared to the actual conversation being had. Shut the frick up and eat volts. I say you don't exist because you keep deflecting with chat gpt tier rhetoric like a fricking animal or idiot. Why would I believe someone so desperate to be stupid is real?
You are just making empty assertions and ad hominems. Why would anyone take you seriously when you lash out like a child for no reason?
Well, looks like most people think it would make it less cool. So I guess that’s that.
>Because some people think it'd be cool
And some people think it'd be uncool to change it and they've been around longer. Maybe the people wanting girlmarines should just go make Girlhammer Forty Periods instead of trying to ruin our fun.
No one is holding you down and forcing you to use girl marines except in your masturbatory fantasies, anon.
No one is holding you down and forcing you to buy the only all-male faction except in your masturbatory fantasies, anon.
Based on the success of space marines
Oh, I didn't and don't, but if they do release female Marines, I might.
What particular about space marines makes them the property of misogynist grifters? For me they've always been a blank canvas you can then fill with whatever cringe OC your heart desires.
>What particular about space marines makes them the property of misogynist grifters?
The part where they bought models and you didn't.
You have the sales data to back that up, misogynist grifter-kun?
Do you have the data to back up that femarines sell? Because according to GW themselves they don't (
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How is that relevant in today's market?
Sigmarine range, a posterboy faction that's 50/50 male female just got cut in half because they underperfom sales wise.
And which part was cut off, hmm?
That's right. The all-male models from first edition.
>And which part was cut off, hmm?
Second edition wizard sigmarines when first female marines were introduced
Doesn't change the fact that half of the ranges removed were sausage parties.
That tends to happen when the vast majority of played and liked ranges are male. When a range gets too old it gets removed.
So the range removal purely done due to age and has nothing to do with miniature genders? Guess that anon made a mistake to bring them up then.
I agree on the premise that gender of the models probably had nothing to do with the range cuts this time.
No, they were incredibly bloated with every single new box set having new sigmarine units in it.
They were allegedly planning to split them into notchapters with unique units like Blood Angels or Space Wolves but the sales weren't good enought to support it so they squatted half of the range.
>due to age
some of these units weren't even 5 years old.
>Doesn't change the fact
It's actually does because female sigmarines were squatted as well.
So any female model squatted ever is a proof they don't sell in general?
You were the one saying only male siggies were getting squatted and citing it as proof that femarines were coming or something, don't try to turn this shit around.
The cut range very much has female models in it
>because they underperfom sales wise.
It's the opposite, actually. They sold too well so now they're getting primaris'd
You were the one asking for data. I gave you data. Where's your data backing up your claim that femarines will outsell real marines?
Listen, son. If the claim was that electric cars won't sell, and your evidence of this was some interview of an used car salesman from the 90's, I would think you are silly.
I think you are silly.
Your shitty metaphor would only apply if we had perfectly functional electric cars since the 80s and the used car salesman was actually a marketing director for Ford, but nice try.
No, the point is that the market has changed drastically due to the changes in technology and consumer behaviour. Sorry you were too dense to understand something that wasn't a food analogy.
>the market has changed drastically
Yet you can't cite a single datum to back up your claim. Keep impotently seething though, it's funny as hell.
No, only the marketing, design, production process, scale, logistics, company structure, competition, demographics, cultural impact and laws have changed, otherwise it's all the same, right?
Next time I made the analogy about hamburgers, maybe cars are too technical for your ken.
>otherwise it's all the same
I never said that, idiot. I just said the only data we have says femarines don't sell and invited you to contest that. Yet you can't.
>Next time I made the analogy about hamburgers
Oh no, it's an ESL moron
And I said that is not in anyway relevant, you big moron. Yet you insist it is, beause straws is all you grasp and strawmen is all you fight.
>I said that is not in anyway relevant
Yes you keep insisting it's not important in the same breath you keep claiming femarines will sell gangbusters. It's quite sad how hard you're flailing here.
>beause
You've lost your composure completely, xir.
>around longer
Based on what?
Nobody cares about Dragon age past origins.
Awakening was kino-addon
… You just demonstrated exactly why that works in Dragon Age but not 40K, because those warrior monks are otherwise aesthetically & thematically closer to what they’re referencing.
Constants & variables, if it’s all variables there is no evoking established ideas. If it’s all constants then the Templars in Dragon Age, the Black Templars in 40K & the Knights Templar in real life can’t exist as distinct concepts.
You’re arguing against your own position out of sheer thoughtlessness. Please just think.
The actual constant is an order of armored, religiously devoted (sort of) warriors who live and die entirely for said order and their god/father figure. Is that not enough? Do you need to know what their genitals beneath their armor are when only two chapters have sex in the first place?
If it's so unimportant why change it? You dumb fricking dishonest homosexual. It was already an established fact, changing it for pandering is moronic, have a nice day.
Because GW can make and sell new models. That's the actual reason. Welcome to Capitalism, I expect to see you at the next workers' rally.
>they fight in armour & are religious sort of
I rest my case.
>arguing passionately about genitals
>’why you care so much about genitals?’
The lack of self-awareness among you people is insane.
So go on, what is gained in exchange for the dilution of the themes and aesthetics of the faction? What have we bought with this sacrifice?
More space for Your Dudes and somewhat less monotonous character concepts for Space Marine novels.
>Dudes
They were never monotonous in the first place. On the contrary, we are losing part of what made 40k unique. Soon it will be slush like all the rest.
You know, you could just play Starcraft, where all the women are hot assassins in catsuits and all the Marines are men, if this is really such a problem. Which I can't see it as being, since it doesn't affect the aesthetics, but whatever.
There have been female Marines in StarCraft since the very first novels that came out, before even Brood War was in development. In-canon, if you read the manuals, they were always unisex.
What made 40k unique was army mens fighting evil army mens and green hooligans. If there are a few female supersoldiers in a tiny elite group that won't change anything about that.
If it won't change anything then why does it need to be changed?
Because GW wants to sell some new minis in the future, and for the hobbyist this will justify more modeling opportunities which is useful since they dumped a lot of stormcast that can be used for that.
>Because GW wants to sell some new minis in the future
Which they won't do if they make the f*male
That depends entirely on the rules and how pretty the face is, so knowing GW it's more about the rules.
>that won't change anything about that.
Quite false
It means they don't care about the lore, that changes everything anon.
GW's lore exists only to justify model sales and new lore is invented to accommodate every model they put out. This is how it's always been.
New lore =/= breaking old lore.
Ironically that was before they figured out how strong Custodes were supposed to be - look at Prospero Burns, or the Valdor novel.
Valdor is a chief of jannies.
And the entire Horus Heresy is about marines beating shit out of custodes
>GW hasn't contradicted their own old lore before
It makes no difference to them as the obvious faction wide rewrite of Necrons should have shown you more than a decade ago.
We care about the lore.
We support the lore, or at least what it was before this shitfest.
You don't. Never did, never will. You can try to shit us up by saying that's not true, that you always cared, while in reality you just want to gentrify our hobby just like others have been gentrifued and pozzed.
We're not letting this become another Age of Sigmar.
We're not moving.
*You* move.
homosexual.
>lore
Fake fan.
Orks are a fungus moron. They don't have genders.
Nta but Orks refer to themselves with male pronouns and units are called "boyz". They call themselves boys, lads etc. They are very much males
Orks speak orkish and what you read is the imperial translation of orkish you filthy secondary. Orks rarely speak Gothic.
Orks speak "looted" Gothic, as far as I'm aware.
You're talking about in universe languages as if their representation in our language makes any difference. They are male, have always been, and the queer who recently tried to go the other direction got told off by GW already.
Orks are explicitly asexual in the lore. They are a fungus, fungus don't have genders.
They identify as male, they are valid. Don't be a hater.
Orks identify as orks. That's like saying ants identify as male or female. Your pedestrian anthropomorphism of an alien race is frankly boring and unimaginative.
Oh so now identification and gender doesn't matter, it's canon don't be a crybaby now that your own reasoning is used against you.
It literally doesn't. Space Marines are male, orks are a fungus. Deal with it.
Orks are male tho.
Frick off, orks are clearly male.
Orks are literally in Canon an asexual bio-egineered fungus creature.
Asexual =/= genderless
Even if (You) never have sex, you still count as a male.
Your head canon doesn't matter. Orks probably don't even know what a gender is.
It's not my headcanon when they call themselves boyz. They're based on norf football hooligans. You keep calling them alien, but in design they're very much human.
They know that some humies are stronger a louder and better for scrapping, and some are weak and are better for eating.
Today I will cause problems on purpose by quoting RT-era Ork fluff
>The Ork life cycle is very different from that of a Human. They are born into feral Ork communities out in the wilderness and are brought up in a savage and primitive lifestyle. Only later, when the young Ork whelps have become full-grown Boyz, do they join the rest of Ork warrior society. Orks spend most of their lives as Da Boyz. Most meet their end on some far-flung battlefield and never reach the final stage of Ork life - the breeding stage. Orks only reproduce at the end of their life, so only the strongest and toughest Orks survive long enough to breed, and every subsequent generation is slightly tougher than the one before. After many years as one of Da Boyz, an Ork reaches maturity. At this time, the Ork feels a primal urge to leave the community and wander into the wilderness. Every Ork community sets aside an area of wilderness for the old Orks to live in. Here, Orks who have reached the end of the life cycle revert back to a primitive lifestyle. They become feral Orks - in other words, Orks that have gone wild. The old Orks never return to their communities; they live out the rest of their lives in the wilderness. At this stage of life, an Ork is able to breed a new generation of whelp. Unlike other races, Orks have no genders. The breeding ability develops in an Ork after he reaches maturity and becomes feral. Roughly half of the wild Orks develop marsupial pouches, in which an Ork whelp is born and nurtured. After a short span of time, the whelp is big enough to leave the pouch. The feral parent feeds the whelp on Squigs and teaches him how to survive in the wilderness. This gives the young Orks their tough, resourceful character.
Old fluff, old language. It's not like the writers of Rogue Trader were familiar with the Queer theory.
And the current writers are?
Orcs are asexual, but their gender is male. Learn the difference.
And fungus do have sexes, dozens in some cases.
Why tried to do what? Sounds like Mike Brooks coming out of his hole.
See
Orks are an asexual fungus lifeform. Your head canon doesn't matter.
So you don't think orks, with their bulging biceps, male pronouns and boyz don't present as males?
There are many animal species whose females are stronger than males, does that mean they identify as males?
No, because those animals weren't built by humans to conform human aesthethics. Why is this such a hard concept for you to understand?
Orks are an alien race, why is it so hard for you to process that aliens wouldn't even have nearly the sane thought process as us? A species with no sexual dimorphism wouldn't even have a concept of gender, they call themselves Boyz because the imperium have labelled them as such and the few that can speak Gothic use that term for themselves without even knowing what it means.
They
are
not
real
aliens
.
They're green football hooligans and always have been.
They are actually aliens that were created from football hooligan tropes.
football hooligans:orks::eldar:slaanesh
there are many masculine looking transwomen
my point was that it will be their way to sneak gender politics into the lore of the Orks
and I don't approve
>"Oy, BOYz, our bozz is giving HIS orders..."
>REEE GENDER POLITICS REEE
Mental. They've always been male coded and calling that a retcon is just pure grift.
>an alien race stealing another alien races label for them means they now conform to that races gender norms.
How completely unimaginative.
Welcome to Warhammer 40 000. Please enjoy your stay.
The imperium was partly inspired by the Catholic Church. You have religious orders of BROTHERS in and SISTERS. But I think you already knew that. It violates the foundational theme.
Which is why the Imperial priesthood is completely male, right?
>hey anon no space marines in the Catholic Church right? Gottem!
Me when I remember that the Sisters of Battle armies have literally always had men in them, usually in positions of authority.
Men with authority over women in a hierarchical Religious structure hmm...almost like the 40k universe like all works of fiction was inspired by irl things. Wild. Also that's a great model. I could see him in ToW.
>Also that's a great model
that's Redemptor Kyrinov for SoBs 2nd ed
You should also check Taddeus the Purifier from Blackstone Fortress and the guy on Szeras's mini that he's changing into a milkshake. They're both modern versions of a Imperial priest/bishop
I wish GW would release a proper version of an Ecclesiarchy prelate mini but chances are that it will also be female
>2nd ed
Dang even predates my time. I hope 40k gets the ToW treatment someday, probably the only way I'd ever be involved with it again.
originally all higher clerics were male presumably to play on the likeness to the medieval Catholic Church
>The Schola Progenium is responsible for the care and education of orphans of Imperial servants. From the favoured sons of an Imperial Guard colonel to the children of a scribe posted to a distant world, the Schola Progenium cares for them all. Each diocese contains a number of Schola Progenium habitats where the orphans are gathered together. Headed by an Abbot, the Preachers of the habitat educate the young in a variety of studies, including religious education.By the time a Progena reaches early adolescence they will have displayed skills in a certain direction and their tutelage to the age of sixteen will focus on these talents and hone the pupil to a career in one of the Imperial organisations. Most of the Progena will end up in the Adeptus Terra as scribes, clerks or overseers. However, a few will be assigned to higher positions. Male Progena may become Commissars in the Imperial Guard, petty officers in the Imperial Navy or enter the priesthood itself and become a Preacher or Dean (a subordinate to a Deacon). Female Progena may well be entered into the Adepta Sororitas. Progena of both sexes may be recruited into the Inquisition or even the Officio Assassinorum. It is a great honour to pass through the Schola Progenium and those who do are well aware of their privilege.Codex: Sisters of Battle, 2nd Edition p. 33
This was written by Gav Thorpe in the 2nd ed
Today the lore say there are female clerics ; for example the new Ecclesiarch (basically the Pope) chosen by Guilliman after his return is a woman
Having a particular chapter deviate from or elaborate upon the broad ideas of the faction is the entire point of having subfactions. That’s not the same thing as not having those foundational motifs & aesthetics or removing them.
Also, no, my point actually made explicit reference to the fetishistic motivations for these proposed changes. Thank you for exemplifying that for me, by the way.
Appealing to fetishes should not be prioritised above the core themes of a thing. If adding in your personal fetish to the game diminishes what makes it cool, then it’s not a good idea.
Space Marines broadly are monastic brotherhoods, warrior cults, pseudo-masonic lodges, sexless fanatics divorced from their humanity evoking mutilated eunuch slave-soldiers etc. Snu-Snu Amazons are all well & good, but they don’t fit with what Space Marines are specifically. You must diminish the things everyone likes about them in order to insert your fetish into it. This is why people hate you for insisting upon it.
You should be able to hold all that in your brain at one time, as long as you’re not also holding your dick.
Sure just obliterate anything unique to the setting
I want men to be a part of the sisters of battle.
You jest, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the Sisters got combined with the Black Templars and Inquisitorial agents into a generic Codex: Imperial Crusaders or some shit like that.
that would be a fun army to run. There's also lore potential there if the Sisters are the types who view the Marines as mutant abominations.
That would be fun. Running Helbrecht and Celestine sounds great.
Their not Space Marines. Space Marines are the face of the hobby and as such Space Marines Are The Most Important.
If women cannot be Space Marines, then women are not as important.
>women not as important
It's bizarre in a setting literally defined by war, where the entire hobby is painting machines of war, and battling armies that WOMEN would be equal to men. What a joke. I've seen a hundred videos of Russians and Ukranians killing eachother, even killing themselves to end their misery - all men. The only women in war are subjects of puff piece news articles, rare as frick. War has always been mens business, and it's fricking hell. But my lord, lets put some breasts on a space marine so we can have equality in a hobby also dominated by men. Not enough for eldar, tau, de, guard, sos, sob ETC. to have women nope. It's all so tiresome and I know it won't end.
Sisters of Battle are moronic church moms. That's overly reductionist, but that's the reason.
Because the people calling for female this and that don't actually care for setting integrity or even player enjoyment, they care for gloat and perceived importance of a "message". These people don't want to make a game better, they want attention and only attention. A loud minority of this group also resent male spaces and want to eradicate them all not to be more inclusive, but to hurt men who enjoy that space.
It's also insulting as shit because they see the act of adding females to something as making it lesser, otherwise they wouldn't be gloating like the kid that puts bugs in your food and convinces all the adults they didn't do anything so you have to eat it.
You are right. This is also why they do not create anything new because the playerbase literally doesn't give a shit about the race or sex of new characters, they only care if they are interesting. That is why new lore isn't subject to the same amount of deranged push by these people, because it won't have the shock value. They are only doing this to make people uncomfortable so they themselves gain a perceived higher status of argument towards others.
Because it was never honest. It was always only about planting a flag.
If proving they can make GW bend to their whims. That they can take the poster boys.
It’s only about power and was never about anything else
Here's what I don't get. GW is very, very retcon-happy. They always have been. They change some things in every edition. Does anyone remember when Necrons were mindless killbots in service to the C'tan, and all the arguments about that being changed?
Had the Sisters of Battle been given equal lore prominence and had the Imperial Creed not been shown as the domain of idiots who didn't understand the Emperor, we probably wouldn't be here.
Giving the sisters equal lore prominence would be completely nonsensical, as this is a setting that overwhelmingly appeals to men & boys. Even most sisters fans are men/boys who find the idea hot.
Women don’t suddenly change their aesthetic values, temperaments & likes/dislikes just because they see a woman in a piece of media that otherwise doesn’t appeal in the slightest to their sensibilities.
The Twilight Saga wasn’t a massive hit among young men, just because it has prominent male characters.
Come on guys, pick it up please. This is extremely basic stuff.
Because they dont give a shit about canon or lore, its about power. Same reason they don't fight for Ork Girlz to become a unit or why they dont care about Sisters of Silence. Its about destroying the Space Marine lore for the fans, so they would drop it and care about current day politics. You can't have patriarchy even in fiction.
Did you care about Sisters of Silence before this very moment?
It's always the same shit with you homosexuals. Did you care about Space Marines being all male until this very moment? Frick I hate what discourse here has become, a bunch of snarky shitposting homosexuals and bots toeing the corporate line and sucking corporate dick until their gums get bleached white and their teeth turn to cum.
Absolutely. I made a trans Thousand Son for a Black Crusade game years ago.
.
Just because his dick turned to dust doesn't mean he became trans.
No, a sorcerer who used Tzeentchian mutagenic powers to transition.
Space marines are not mentally deranged homosexuals no matter how much you insert yourself into the setting.
Because it's not about making something for women but about ruining everything for men.
You're a dumbass if you think it's about representation.
They don't care about sisters, they don't care about eldar, tau, ig etc being pretty much 50/50, they don't care about orcs having male-looking forms either because they aren't the poster factions.
It's about taking the popular thing and twisting it as a display of power. That's all it ever was.
It's not about women, anon. If it was about women. It's specifically about spite. Boys have something, leftists hate boys. That's all it is.
That tweet sums it all up. They are only doing it for the shits and giggles, they know they are doing it to make others feel bad.
What an absolute psychopath.
"Remember when we win, that these people want us broke, dead, our children raped and brainwashed and they think it's funny."
- Sam Hyde
He's projecting his own feelings about him cutting off his penis.
Simple compromise: all femmarines are sisters, some big lore event happens during 10th causing the ecclesiarchy to secretly start upgrading sisters' power armour and training, including a diet version of what they do to make space marines, they then work to sisters what terminators are to regular marines
>just give us an inch and we PWOMISE we won't try to take a mile!
Silly anon. It's not yours to give. We allready have it.
Funny, I don't see any femarines
You're not looking hard enough then
I've been given an inch of exodite content in that meh show, now where's my mile of model ranges and dedicated narratives
Asterion's mindset was always moronic tbh
>strong enough to supposedly beat custodes
>prefers fighting marines because they're his equals which somehow is more honourable and a bigger display of dominance and pride than dominating your supposed superiors
If you only care about winning you pick fights you are sure you will win. Also High Lords have dirt on the minos.
>than dominating your supposed superiors
Custodes aren't superior to marines
They're vastly superior anon.
Even b***hes like Argel Tal was beating crap out of Custodes.
The people that want the change don't like or play 40k. Women aren't the target demographic. These changes are to make stock holders happy. Those stock holders push this agenda because global homosexual wants you to eat bugs and be gay. Convincing you to not have children and consume product. Because they make the world only a pleasant place for themselves.
Commies ruin fricking everything Anon. Even your dumb game about fake space dudes.
>stock holders
>Commies
You know that these terms are contradictory, right?
Because..?
>hamburgers?
>but I want to be the main character! me! me! meeee!!!111
that's it
literally that's it
and the people this is being hamfisted into 40k for genuinely do not fricking care about 40k and will do everything in their power to try and gaslight people that this is how 40k "has always been"
none of these people actually play and if they did, it was always a fleeting interest or just for clout among bugmen and other attention whoring vermin
It's the big-chungusification of fantasy media and everyone is complicit in it. Everything has to be heckin' wholesome and quirky, popular races/factions should be friends and just fight the monster of the week instead doing a fantasy racism. The pinnacle of this type of media is a group of racially diverse former enemies doing a heroic last stand against generic big bad who is about to destroy the world. On the female front fans are almost always the first ones to shoehorn women into everything, fan-art and fanficiton is usually full with female characters where they don't belong. For example I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't some people who unironically think the Tau are a mostly female faction just due to all the fanart/smut they get.
More than likely the female Primarch was was the one most like Erda and thus decided to support a non-authoritarian government and give her Space Marinesses the ability to bear Space Marine children. It would explain why her memory was completely wiped out by the Malcador given how she presented a viable alternative to his and the Emperor's plot to fight Chaos, unlike the initiators of the Heresy who only proved Malcador and the Emperor right. They couldn't bear to be shown up by a woman.
I like how no one pretended this resembled a genuine post close enough to post. I'm sorry for breaking that tradition, but I had to comment on the very obvious shilling of a plot point that's famously hated, and a character that's famously considered one of the shittiest retcons in GW history barring AoS and Primaris.
oh no now I'll get to paint delicious woman abs and shoulders glistening with sweat and dirt
Woe is me
Dude they are going to be ugly because hot women are sexist.
Heard it 2nd had from a guy who did actually work for GW talking to a BL writer (the Scottish one). Basically nothing prevents one of the missing primarchs from being a woman.
>nothing
>lore says that the gene coding of geneseed prevents women from surviving the process
>missing primarches marines folded in to other legions
>no women in any legion
>Sigismund exists
Look at the pic you posted. If (when) they do female space marines they'll just lie and say it was always like that. Male only organisations are illegal in the UK so on what basis would people argue for them in fiction? Same for all of these political changes. The arguments against them are already written off as immoral.
>so on what basis would people argue for them in fiction?
The basis that it's literally impossible for a female to undergo the bodily changes needed to become a Space Marine and survive. It's less "they shouldn't be allowed to be Space Marines because they're women" and more "they CAN'T be Space Marines because women won't survive the procedure."
And if women CAN survive the process of becoming a Space Marine, then what's the excuse for none of the Sisters of Battle ever becoming one?
>The basis
Can be rewritten at the drop of a hat
>But thematically...
Primaris exist, GW doesn't give a frick about theming
>And if women CAN survive the process of becoming a Space Marine, then what's the excuse for none of the Sisters of Battle ever becoming one?
"Too old" would be my guess. Everybody hates the moronic one-offs that GW has done of adult males magically becoming Astartes because they're at odds with the canon description of how Astartes are made.
Considering that Asterion Moloc was able to strike uncertainty into Valierian, the hero of Lions's gate. It is safe to say that he could singlehandedly manhandle every single female custodes
Wait until they decide to make a new Captain-General of the Custodes and its a woman. Just like what they've been doing with making the High Lords half male, half female or having female Necron lords or killing off Creed to replace him with his female self, it's inevitable that they will do this to the Custodes now that they've decided to go down this path.
female necrons are fine you schizo, they're space tomb kings and cleopatra and nefertiti are a huge part of the public conception of ancient egypt
What about the Necron trannies?
I've been saying this for years, I complained about 10 foot tall primarchs being moronic and got mocked, well enjoy people mocking you for complaining when sangunius becomes trans and the emperor a woman
The second Sanguinius comes back I'm out. I'm 100% sure they will have his spirit inhabit the Sanguinor or some gay ass shit like that.
I can't believe the emperor kidnapped countless little girls in his "sekrit Himalayan gene labs" and personally injected his gene seed inside of them. What a sicko.
>>one (or both) of the Lost Primarchs will be revealed to be female
So? /tg/ decided over ten years ago that Samus Aran is a primarch.
Or have you not lurked enough, newbie?
Way more than ten years ago. That's been a joke for almost as long as /tg/ existed. But if you point out these people have been frogboiled by REDACTED plants on /misc/ you'll just activate their programming and they default back into throwing shit around.
actually clever and barely a retcon as far as 40k goes
femarines were always arounf baby
youre just a tourist
and you can go now
That's bullshit, he's lying out the fricking ass.
Female marines are not possible because geneseeds were extracted from the primarchs who are all male, which makes it so that during the process to become a space marine, the geneseed wouldn't be able to accept a female's body.
The lore is made up to sell models. If they had thought female Space Marines would sell then they would have justified their existence within the lore.
you're saying the sacred ancient scriptures forbade them from creating a plastic toy a different way
You seem to have fundamental misunderstanding how a toy business operates
The lady doth protest too much, methinks. The more he writes the more it sounds like cope and that he's desperately trying to tell you it's all how he chooses it to be. Strong, barbarian men and women were huge in the 1980's with the fitness and fantasy fads going around, bullshit that they weren't selling.
One of the very first things new fans discover about the lore is how the Emperor made the Primarchs using his own DNA and then the Space Marines take the gene seed from their respective Primarchs to give them unique traits like their 'father'.
>You couldn't sell female miniatures in the 80's
This is such a moronic cope and a lie.
Warhammer fantasy battle is right there to show how much of a lie this is.
He's right tho.
There's a reason SM are dudes, SoB were always a niche compare to SMs because
FEMALE TOYS
DON'T SELL WELL
IN A MALE CENTRIC HOBBY
but it's always the same shit. Someone says things should be equal, then they make it equal, realize it doesn't work, maybe realizes it wasn't equal for a fricking reason, and then they stop making it equal after a while
And the cycle repeats
It's not for females, it's for trannies and gooners.
>and then they stop making it equal after a while
Name three times that's happened.
This is actually like when they introduced female autobots into Transformers. There was nerd rage about it in the 80's but it died down and they became a somewhat regular thing.
Then in a newer series in the 2000's one old-time Transformers writer decided to introduce female transformers to the ongoing series as a male turned into a murderous woman by a mad scientist (the troony Arcee incident). This caused a shitload of nerd rage and actually was soft retconned later into Arcee having been a female transformer originally, but this added just another trans incident with her being turned male at one point in the timeline. This continuity is now defunct and Hasbro won't likely let writers try it again soon.
That show was so unsuccessful it's actually hilarious.
Trans arcee was actually much more offensive since it originally was an explanation for all female autobots, that show was bad and flopped too but at least the "terrans" weren't even proper cybertronian and the pronouns are clearly the human influence in them.
this makes no sense, Transformers are binary, 0s and 1s
Transformers are passive components, they don't operate on binary logic.
Imagine giving a frick about that terrible game when ToW is back
Fricking lies.
so what does Ballie Gifford invest in? since no one seems to bring them up as ESG/DEI boogymen but they are the biggest investor in GW
What happened to gatekeeping? I thought wokeness never reached 40K because you guys were united in threateaning Game Workshop to abide the customers over activists? But from what i hear 40K is now the next Star Wars
You can't 'gatekeep' vanguard and blackrock with their actual trillions of dollars gobbling up GW stock. Its over and anyone who denies it is coping.
Its not just vanguard and blackrock, there are about 5-6 different hedge fund and investment firms that now own about 30% of games workshop
Remind me again how much stock you need to control a company?
You dont need 51% of a company to control it anon
Blackrock and co have billions of dollars and are investing major capital into GW. The majority shareholder will shut up and listen to them no matter what
U-huh. Do they do this before or after they drink baby blood?
No argument
Hey, cool it with that antisemitism, anon.
Warhammer as of now
Same happened to Star Wars and Halo and Fallout
And LotR
Isn't Fallout more popular than ever?
I don't know after Fallout 76 and Starfield I don't think anyone is looking forward to a new Fallout game from Bethesda.
not after 76 kek, and considering what bethesda has become? we are never getting a good fallout game again
This is already verging on me dropping the game fully.
Any more and I will simply sell my armies besides a few favorite sculpts and go play AWG/HIS stuff instead.
Have you considered having sex?
>stop caring about your hobbies
>have sex you nerdddddddd
lmao imagine posting that kind of shit on Ganker
you'd have to be a total moron
Lurk moar
You're the one who said you're going to stop enjoying your hobby, just because some Custodes have pussies now. You clearly don't care about it very much to drop it over something so fricking inane
You might want to take another look at anon's post, you illiterate.
Wow, an actual gender abolitionist here. Thats kinda wild u guys are taking this 40k infiltration seriously eh?
It's either a shitposter, a discordite, or a bot. If you go on Ganker you'll find posters like this, including the exact same rhetoric and posting style are endemic. They removed the IP count for this reason in particular, alongside the upcoming elections.
No we actually care about it so much that we won't play something completely different wearing a 40k coat of paint.
>You're the one who said you're going to stop enjoying your hobby
No, I said i'd drop GW.
40K isn't the hobby no matter how much conzoomers like you think it is.
>to drop it over something so fricking inane
I care about the setting i'm playing in. If c**ts like you get your way it'll be just another generic renfaire Seattle at which point I might as well play some of the well-designed combat rules from Ospreu or Mantic. If the lore doesn't matter GW doesn't really have much to offer over bulk 3D prints and running alt rulesets.
collecting, building and painting minis are hobbies
40kuckslop is not a hobby
buying stuff is not a hobby
you are gay
On the contrary. Buying slop is what 40kids call THE Hobby(tm).
Yup, it's not like it will get any better.
>Not selling it immediately
Holy shit, what fricking ritual did GW do to make you homosexuals so loyal? This is basically a "I'll keep giving them my money, but with anger!" Post.
Man I remember those first release of ForgeWorld horus heresy like it was yesterday, how cool everything was and the new miniatures they made and now having gone to all this primaris and snapfit shit as well as blatant kowtowing to homosexual investment bullshit. What a fricking shame.
Get a life, you losers
Stop inserting your fantasies and insecurities into the settings of actual normal people and stop throwing b***hy hissy fits when people don't approve the erosion of the settings they enjoy for the sake of degeneracy.
>s-stop the hissy fit!!!
Holy projection, Batman!
>S-stop p-projecting g-gosh you chuds are not missed
Take your pills alice and try to make yourself decently presentable. People are not against women, they are against brutalizing existing lore for social media points. You came to attention prostitute into a thread were people discuss the worry of bastardizing one of their favorite franchises.
Yeah, keep on throwing that hissy fit. You show everyone how seriously you should be taken.
(You)
Happy now homosexual? You even got 2 at once.
Yes, I will take you seriously now that you've acted like a calm and collected adult 😛
I'm not that anon, frick off now and stop bothering us. Better yet, use razor wire as a necklace and hang it from a hook before you drop off a bridge it's attached to.
You decided to engage in a thread where normal people are worried about the integrity of one of their favorite franchises and you immediately start flinging shit like the children you are. "Oh no incel! Have sex!" as if that is a proper counter argument to feelings of reasonable feelings of disenfranchisement of the established playerbase. You're all the same, in it for the attention and social media gloat.
>actual normal people
Incels aren't normal people.
>finish off
Anon, he's already dead and no amount of feminist nu-lore will change that.
This diversity shit is only getting worse and never better.
>the warp is female
And that's a good thing.
Based on the way the face and shoulders are drawn, I give this image a 65% likelihood of being futahomosexualry.
I for one look forward to painting some hot pink Barbie marines.
I was going to do sisters that way, but they have too specific a look, with all the religious imagery and extra heap of skulls and such.
I love how incompetent GW are. They even suck at gaslighting.
>there have always been female custodes
>we have just never written about them, portrayed them, referenced them or even acknowledged their existence for 35 years!
>Naked women bad
No amount of rageposting is going to make me think that tho
Rick Priestley himself could state that non-male Custodes aren't contradicting the old fluff and most of you morons would still b***h and moan how you know better.
Nobody cares about GWs talmudic lore justification for female custodes
They care because its such an obvious breach of the established aesthetics and themes of the setting in order to satisfy a real world political component
Which aesthetics and themes are those?
Youre a 40k fan and need that spelled out for you?
Yes, what themes and aesthetocs exactly are breached here? Why are you evading like this if it's so clear?
Well in regards to the topic, the aesthetic is an all male military force of monastic monks
Would you like me to spell out some other very basic aesthetic elements of 40k anon? Can your brain compute?
>Submitting to explaining things to him
Imagine calling something talmudic and then bothering to give a real response to an obvious act of humiliation where a moronic bot asks you to define something basic. If he doesn't know he's not a 40k fan so he can frick off.
You right
>simple answer to a question is an act of humiliation
Why do you hate discussion so much?
All male was never an important part of aesthetic for completely armored and helmeted figs. Neither is "monk" for custards who guard an atheistic emperor and are completely divorced from Imperium's religious activities.
Yes it is, secondary
No it isn't. Even in the case of Space Marines it isn't, and to pretend otherwise you have to resort to death of the author like a socialist lit reviewer when Alan Merrett said 80's figure sale data is the only reason marines are male.
>he actually believes that wall of copium from merrett
Kek
>If facts disagree with me, the facts are wrong! I can never be wrong!
There are no facts, just a wall of bullshit spewed to post hoc justify why they made marines all male
Do you seriously think merrett would ever come out and say “yeah, we made marines all male because it never really occurred to us to make female marines, that wasnt really a thing back then”?
Claims without evidence can be dismissed, and you provided no evidence.
>he’s totally not lying guys
These people lie nonstop
And now somehow there's a conspiracy about plastic army men and no one of the dozens of other employees still alive from that time dares to come out and contradict him.
(You)
A very sad fact we're all forced to contend with is your prostitute mother's failed abortion.
Again with the projection, we all remember your mom said she wouldn't abort even though no one would take responsibility.
No it wasn't, and you know that, which is why you're here.
I've never been challenged by a b***h, I just disdain talking to them when they bark too loud.
Nah, you're just trying to bark louder as you're running away. Gallop away, little mouse.
Jesus, this homie actually thought that was a banger response. I bet you smiled to yourself after typing that one you pathetic b***h.
Sorry, I don't share your delusions, so I don't know what you're talking about. Remember what the doctor said. You need to ARTICULATE your point, not just assume everyone already knows what's inside your head.
(You)
Sorry, mouse. You're not barking loud enough for us to hear you. Try again?
.
You do realize your silent barking only proves my point, right?
Sorry, I was just testing now desperate for my attention you were despite accusing me of such. Glad to know you're such a lonely little c**t.
No, I'm just looking at a small mouse running away out of sick curiosity. Keep of running!
.
That's it, mousey! Run away! Hide!
.
>n-no u again
Don't seethe so much sissy, you'll look autistic too.
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Your headcanon isn't an encompassing aesthetic and theme, so yeah to be sure.
This. I'm sick of real world politics being shovelled into everything, it's boring and breaks immersion and speaks to a complete lack of artistic integrity. I've dropped movies, TV and vidya because of this and I have no qualms about dropping warhammer either.
>talmudic
You're the exact kind of person that GW is trying to disassociate themselves from.
You mean, their actual core fanbase who actually buy their models and shit? Interesting plan, let's see how it works out for them.
You mean some anons who seethe about israelites on twitter and /misc/ and have Ganker and loretubers as their only contact with 40k.
You think neo-Nazis are their "actual core fanbase"? lmao. No. They're a small but loud and obnoxious part of the fanbase. And their presence is a PR nightmare and discourages new people from playing 40k, so GW is actively trying to make them go away.
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a neonazi
have a nice day, another breath taken won't make your life less worthless.
If you call something "talmudic" you're probably a neo-Nazi.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/talmudic#
If you argue the way you do, you're 100% a b***h.
Accusing me of what you're doing will never take away the shame of being who you are.
Why do you love accusing others of what you're guilty of?
You're not being accused of anything, the sad facts are plain to everyone.
>n-no u
Why do you hate answering questions?
And what am I guilty of? I can't read your point as you are quite incoherent in your remarks.
(You)
A, such a fine answer. Figures you would escape like a rabid coyote when faced with anything resembling a challenge.
Are you upset israelite? Free Palestine by the way, I can't wait till Israel is wiped off the face of the Earth
Way to prove him right, nazi
Thats a left wing tik tok stance by the way, Allah willing you land thevies will be wiped off the earth
I'm not a tiktokking zoomer, so I wouldn't know nor care. Go back.
>>Neo-Nazis are the only people who don't like the current direction of 40k.
lol no.
>>Only Neo-Nazis dislike israelites
lol no.
>>new people aren't buying into a stupidly expensive game because some guy on 4chins said something mean about teh heebs.
lol no.
That's strike three, you Black person homosexual. Now GTFO of here, b***h breasts.
>ree get out of my echo chamber!
You're such a coward. So frightened by the mere concept of somebody disagreeing with you.
I like how homosexuals like you always show up in threads like this to derail proper discussions about something stupid a corporation does. Totally not suspicious bro.
What proper discussion? What were you expecting? This thread is 100% morons claiming their headcanon is the only correct one and then get mad when other anons have different headcanon.
>insists he's not a nazi
>still screeches about israelites
>still hates black people
Lol. Lmao even. What are your political pronouns since it seems the difference is all in your head?
have a nice day.
Yes? If Rick Astley himself stated some dumb shit that contradicts 35 years of lore I'd call it bullshit too.
That's not a logical fallacy tho, your image is dumb.
Reminder of how they tried to add female Orks in 2010. Everyone hated it.
That is actually fricking hilarious though
Oh shit they already have trannies in 40k god damn it.
Mark my words
Orks in the future will remain genderless but some will be more masculine presenting and others will be more feminine presenting. This will be stated to be one of the great strengths of their culture.
That mini is waaaaaaaaaaaaay older than 2010, it's from the late 80's.
It's over.
Yeah not reading that homo.
I was already expecting you to be a homosexual, you didn't need to announce it. Next time be a b***h in silence.
>n-no u
Extremely weak and gay retort as expected lol.
So what's more fun historicals or awgs?
God, female space marines cannot come soon enough.
Imagine the discourse.
Imagine the mental gymnastics.
Imagine the sheer volume of sewege.
You're the most pathetic person here and thats saying something
The stormcast eternal virus spreads
>as far as i can remember, i always wanted to be a female
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia
FEMALE PRIMACH
*CLAP C L A P*
WAS ALWAYS THERE
Ask them if there will be male sisters of silence
Nobody complained about female only factions. People outside the hobby only want female marines to score political points or look good to their friend groups. They cannot stand the idea of an all male... anything really, while normal people find the idea of an all male or all female army perfectly fine.
Female marines is more of a test case than anything. If this goes in, it won't be the last change.
That's just reality, anon. Boy Scouts was pressured into allowing girls in but Girl Scouts was allowed to remain girls only
The lost Primarchs are both dead. They were killed by Russ. I'm pissed too but there's no need to just make up weird hypothetical scenarios to be mad about in your head.
Oh, anon. No one's ever truly gone.
Somehow the Emperor returned
Rus had that memory implanted in his head, obviously
This is Geedubs they can and will retcon anything at will
Watch Sanguinius and Vulkan return as females due to warp homosexualry or something
Rus too
Alpharius was always female
Dorn didn't die he ran away with her
God, I hope so.
Arrrgh the lies of the troony anon made me reply to the wrong person. Just reading his shit made me moronic.
I'll just start calling all my orks with female pronouns and loudly state they proudly identify as trans women.
Paypiggies will buy everything, why would GW listen the opinion of the cattle? As long as the rules are OP enough they will bee good little piggies.
It's not like I'm buying gw product but now I will double not buy it.
are not Custodians basically Space marines?
No. Arch said so but he's a cuck.
No, they're entirely different breed of powerarmored super soldier.
One of the Lost Primarchs we know for a fact was a man, since he's somewhat described in brief snippets throughout the HH novels. He was apparently a quiet and melancholic dude.
Everyone was getting memoryfricked in the Heresy, they'll just say Emps implanted false memories to protect her identity. Or they just won't acknowledge it like how they're trying to ignore all the male language used on Custodes all this time
A marketing proffessor explained me a few years ago why tech companies with niche products die. I think it applies to Games Workshop.
> new brand comes with a niche product
> brand grows, but reaches a ceiling in profits becouse its core audience as reached it's peak
> brand has to choose new ways of bringing new customers to keep growing or suffer a slow death.
> brand fails to bring new customers (it dies in the long run)
> brand brings new customers (the core audience gets replaced and the company keeps growing)
>massive customer bleed off
>"growing"
Lul
How does replacing a big group with a small one ensure the company grows?
They're not replacing anyone, because the few chuds who actually buy the product are stuck for life. The majority of people comes and goes on their own accord and paypigs are gonna paypig. The vocal minority on twitter is either nobuy no matter what or buys regardless.
The loyal customer base eventually grows old anon. There a finite amount of neckberds in the world. If they don't bring new people in and keep growing they are done. Think about how much star wars grew once it was bought by disney.
I was literally planning to cite pre-Disney SW to refute you before I finished your post. Good shit anon, made me chuckle.
Star Wars is a perfect example anon, in more ways than one.
>Think about how much star wars grew once it was bought by disney.
>Had to make 10 years pause of continuing sequel segment
>Less than 10 aaa games
>No new products in 2024
>Ahsoka viewership sinks to the Andor level
Yeah surely things are going well
Doewn't apply as this is not a new small tech company with small audience. You're just trying to force a narrative.
>Le falling rate of profits
This marxist bullshit has been disproven/falsified years ago
>market saturation is a myth, le youtube man told me so!
Here the real reason why Custodes were made all male for one or both of two reasons
>we couldn't find a reason in the lore
>the lore explicitly states it that way regardless
>well lets just delete decades of lore!
If I ever see a troon at the LGS I'll be sure to accidentally misgender them in public.
>oops, sorry I meant mam.
ADB is gay though, him discussing such things behind the lines doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
>ADB is gay though
Someone should tell his wife and 2 kids
Not gay of sexuality, which no one cares about, but gay of mien.
ADB the guy who puts as many women in positions of power in his books as possible where the end result is every single one of his books reading the same?
Frick anything that guy has to say
Can someone shoop a custodes helmet on this for....reasons.
We have always been at war with Eurasia
The Emperor has always been gay since he incarnated
There have always been African American and Chinese space marines since the founding
>There have always been female Custodians!
No there haven't.
I don't even give a shit about "muh wahmen in my banan!" but the absolute arrogance of some homosexual nepotism hire snickering behind their keyboard as they type this is infuriating.
Making nerd fandoms mainstream let these shitters in. Nerd shit used to be about tradition and internal consistency. Now it's just a playground for lumpy midwits with blue hair and ear gauges.