if you believe in some space warping or space moving coordinate system timey wimey space manipulation shit then you'd have shit like this happen as well as no explanation as to what happens to the space where the moving space is transferred to
I love hearing the wildly exaggerated explanations of what Agays think would happen in B, because they're almost always just the inverse of what should happen in A. In this case, it's the inverse of something getting compressed into the portal because it doesn't "move" out of the portal. This logic only happens when working backwards from assuming A is correct and B is wrong: no one arrives at that conclusion naturally.
A portal is nothing more than a window, a view into a different world. Speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out. A stationary cube has no speed. The portal does not give it speed. If the platform the cube is on is the one raising into the portal, then the cube would gain speed. You are not thinking with portals.
>A portal is nothing more than a window, a view into a different world.
Windows don't have the capability to literally change an object's momentum by changing the direction it travels in. (And therefore also the speed in all other reference frames)
the cube absolutely does have speed in relation to the the world when it exits the stationary end, this is what you observe if you see the cube come out of the stationary end
It's not a view into a 'different world', it's a view into the same world but seen through the angle of the blue portal. so if the orange postal is moving toward the cube, that means the whole world beyond the orange portal is also moving toward the cube. And as that portal moves around the cube, the cube would then be moving in the new blue portal view.
A window does not have the ability to put matter into a schizo state of being very obviously moving but somehow not moving. Someone standing next to the blue portal could physically touch the moving cube and feel it moving, yet you say its not moving.
>muh it's some 4D geometry
meanwhile you can't get around shit like this
if you believe in some space warping or space moving coordinate system timey wimey space manipulation shit then you'd have shit like this happen as well as no explanation as to what happens to the space where the moving space is transferred to
that's a 2D example btw so you should be able to show how the space would warp and accommodate with a 3D explanation alone (you can't because there's no way to make the geometry make sense)
oh and if you're some fold the paper bazinga tard, don't bother, you don't get it
If it's the same anon from a previous thread, he completely blanked out when relative motion was brought up. I don't buy that he actually understands four dimensional space because if he did he'd sure as hell understand basic relativity.
With B the laws of physics are fully obeyed everywhere except at the portal boundary. So if a moving portal moves over your arm fast then stops, then yes your arm might be torn off. This is because the atoms that have already gone through the portal are moving through normal space, and when the portal stops, you have effectively created a boundary where atoms on one side of the portal have a different momentum to on the other side.
hardmode question, what allows the gear to spin
genuinely cannot undeerstand the diagram pls redraw
the cube on the platform is instead a sawtooth structure and when it exits the blue portal it causes a gear to spin
A gays will rant about conservation of momentum and energy, but are perfectly ok with their momentumless movement creating free momentum.
if you believe in some space warping or space moving coordinate system timey wimey space manipulation shit then you'd have shit like this happen as well as no explanation as to what happens to the space where the moving space is transferred to
so according to B-gays, if you stand still in a T-pose and have a portal move over your arm, your arm would be ripped off
the arm would be tugged and your body would follow unless it happens so fast your body rips apart
if I pull your head, your body follows
sounds like these portals have some wild suction power ... can I borrow one for a sec?
Not quite, in B-universe the moment a part of you enters the portal it would get ripped apart and your arm would gradually be turned into spaghetti.
I love hearing the wildly exaggerated explanations of what Agays think would happen in B, because they're almost always just the inverse of what should happen in A. In this case, it's the inverse of something getting compressed into the portal because it doesn't "move" out of the portal. This logic only happens when working backwards from assuming A is correct and B is wrong: no one arrives at that conclusion naturally.
A portal is nothing more than a window, a view into a different world. Speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out. A stationary cube has no speed. The portal does not give it speed. If the platform the cube is on is the one raising into the portal, then the cube would gain speed. You are not thinking with portals.
>A portal is nothing more than a window, a view into a different world.
Windows don't have the capability to literally change an object's momentum by changing the direction it travels in. (And therefore also the speed in all other reference frames)
the cube absolutely does have speed in relation to the the world when it exits the stationary end, this is what you observe if you see the cube come out of the stationary end
If a stationary cube has no speed, how does it exit the portal?
Gravity
It's not a view into a 'different world', it's a view into the same world but seen through the angle of the blue portal. so if the orange postal is moving toward the cube, that means the whole world beyond the orange portal is also moving toward the cube. And as that portal moves around the cube, the cube would then be moving in the new blue portal view.
A window does not have the ability to put matter into a schizo state of being very obviously moving but somehow not moving. Someone standing next to the blue portal could physically touch the moving cube and feel it moving, yet you say its not moving.
It's how fricking moronic A is as an answer: A's own logic ends up concluding in B.
It doesn't move out of the portal because the portal is 4th dimensional or higher. It's like a hula hoop. Or an open door
>muh it's some 4D geometry
meanwhile you can't get around shit like this
that's a 2D example btw so you should be able to show how the space would warp and accommodate with a 3D explanation alone (you can't because there's no way to make the geometry make sense)
oh and if you're some fold the paper bazinga tard, don't bother, you don't get it
If it's the same anon from a previous thread, he completely blanked out when relative motion was brought up. I don't buy that he actually understands four dimensional space because if he did he'd sure as hell understand basic relativity.
With B the laws of physics are fully obeyed everywhere except at the portal boundary. So if a moving portal moves over your arm fast then stops, then yes your arm might be torn off. This is because the atoms that have already gone through the portal are moving through normal space, and when the portal stops, you have effectively created a boundary where atoms on one side of the portal have a different momentum to on the other side.
but the atomic bonds are perfectly capable of transferring the momentum from your arm to your body so it would just tug the body once the portal stops
Its dependent on the acceleration of the portal. If its going 100mph and then instantly stops your arm is going to be ripped apart.
well yes obviously, same would be true if I pull your arm
Which can't be the case since there is no force working on the arm. Therefore the theory is wrong.
Any mass moving at a constant velocity has no force acting on it. You only need force for acceleration.
The laws of physics and our intuitions built around them do not fully apply with portals. Portals do not need force to move objects.
B has more fun gameplay potential so it's B.