What items/rewards aren't actually needed to beat the game without glitches? So far I've narrowed it down to:
>Hylian Shield
>Biggoron Sword
>Epona
>Deku Nuts
>All capacity/wallet upgrades
>All heart pieces
>All magic meter upgrades (except the first)
>All spells (except Din's Fire)
>All arrows (except Light Arrows)
>3 of 4 bottles
>Any of the masks
>Lens of Truth
>Magic Beans
Am I forgetting anything?
I think you can substitute dins fire with fire arrows if you wanted to, but without glitches you need at least one of them.
Pretty sure the red and blue tunics aren’t actually required but it’d be hard as hell without them. Actually with only three hearts and not using the bottles I’m not actually sure if they’d be required or not. With warping in and out and enough health and potions you could probably tank at least fire temple, but in a three heart minimum gear run I’m not sure.
Don't speedruns that don't glitch the absolute shit out of the game beat both temples without tunics or extra hearts? I'm pretty sure that's been a thing since forever ago, but it requires very precise pathing and such.
One guy I was talking to once said you either need an extra bottle or a couple extra hearts to pull it off, since the biggest rooms in fire/water will take longer than your 3 hearts + 1 fairy to overcome. Maybe somebody has figured out a way though.
Can you open the Shadow Temple with just fire arrows? I thought Din's Fire was mandatory for that.
you can, there's a video of it on youtube. it isn't nearly as is, but it can be done. the bigger issue is that one room in ganon's castle
>Can you open the Shadow Temple with just fire arrows?
Yes, I've seen people do it multiple times. You just need to shoot your fire arrows in very specific ways and execute the whole thing perfectly
Oh yeah, I forgot too, you don't need the sun's song, epona's song, the scarecrow's song or song of storms. Interestingly, you could also opt to get scarecrow's song instead of the bolero of fire. There's a secret back entrance into fire temple that requires the scarecrow but doesn't force you to learn bolero of fire.
>here's a secret back entrance into fire temple that requires the scarecrow but doesn't force you to learn bolero of fire.
That is actually super interesting and I never thought about that.
Minimalist runs are cool as frick. I suspect there are still many undiscovered strategies to avoid getting what are usually "necessary" items by getting one optional item. You can do some funky stuff with Farore's Wind.
>song of storms
I was going to ask how you access bottom of the well as a kid without that, but if you aren't using the lens of truth then is that entire dungeon optional?
There’s a way to hard drop from the rim of the well and swim down the tunnel
That sounds like glitch usage which OP wanted to avoid. Unless I'm misunderstanding.
I guess general physics exploits are kind of a gray area with that, but if it seems especially unnatural then I wouldn't count it as valid for this kind of run.
Still, as long as the well itself is optional then it doesn't matter either way.
simplest definition would be an unintended interaction. Being more specific, stuff like swimming into the bottom of the well would be a soft glitch, while clipping out of bounds would be a hard glitch. And above that, ID and variable manipulation would be an ultra glitch or something with it's own name. Is the Super Sayan 3 of glitches.
This opens up a fun discussion on what is/isn't a glitch in games. BLJs in mario are widely considered a glitch, but are also technically just an exploit of the physics similar to what is being discussed here.
IMO a glitch is something that wasn't intended by the developer and can only be done by doing something unusual or counter-intuitive to the normal gameplay. an exploit is more the unintended consequence of an intended mechanic, e.g. using a bomb's blast to push link over an obstacle, like the other anon said. the bomb's ability to knock link around was clearly intended, but using it to circumvent obstacles was probably not.
Yep, bottom of the well is completely optional. You don't need to go there at all if you can make do without the lens. I did it on my last run, didn't even set foot in there.
I never understood the scarecrow mechanic untill long after I stopped playing OoT, so there are many secrets I'll never witness. Is weird how MM being the "secret sidequest Zelda", but in actuality that game pushes the player to discover all of it's secrets. I think I've 100% MM and everything was properly hinted at in some way or another.
OoT on the other hand has little secrets here and there that simply exist yet are never hinted at. In that sense it is much more in line with the older style of Zelda games than it's successors.
>hylian shield
time to start over
are you one of those morons that thinks you need the hylian shield to get past death mountain?
OP was listing items you actually don't need
ice arrows obviously
Already listed that
I can’t get down with extreme handicaps like a minimalist run but I’m doing a 3 heart run for the first time and it’s probably what I should have done all along on replays. Just the right amount of challenge to keep it tense.
>I can’t get down with extreme handicaps like a minimalist run
You think it would feel that way, but it doesn't. It cuts all the fat. All the shit you'd normally do like skulltulas, poes, minigames, it all becomes irrelevant. The game becomes pure action and you truck it from one temple to the next. It also adds value to things that are underutilized in a 100% run, like how much more valuable rupees are when you can only hold 99 and have 1 bottle. Don't get me wrong, I love playing the game for all the side content, but after a dozen times it's nice to have a different level of challenge that also changes how you play the game.
There's a patching toll that basically lets you create your own custom version of OoT and bumping up the difficulty actually makes you want to get more hearts. For example you can make it so you take 4x damage, fairies can't be bottled, and hearts don't drop from grass, rocks, pots, etc
https://github.com/Admentus64/Patcher64Plus-Tool
>toll
tool*
That's cool, though to be honest I'm not a big fan of mods. I like seeing how far I can push the base game.
I love this game so much bros.
goddamn it now i want to play it again
Do it.
Man, just look at that pic. This is what fun looks like. No clutter, no bullshit, just a kid on an adventure. Pleasing colors, nice lighting, those soulful little pre-rendered icons... this is as good as it gets.
>without glitches
How are you beating Volvagia without the Megaton Hammer?
He's listing things you DON'T need. The hammer isn't on that list.
Now this is the type of autism I can get behind.
Speedruns never interested me because they always eventually devolve into the runners just wrong warping right to the end of the game instead of playing it.
This has the same appeal as those "beat MM in one cycle" runs.
If you want to try this yourself, here are the rules I use:
>no glitches or questionable exploits like bomb jumping
>only obtain items required to reach ganon and beat the game (kokiri sword, hookshot, etc.)
>no upgrades or collectibles such as heart pieces, skulltulas, and so on
>no great fairy fountain rewards except the first magic meter
>no epona or optional songs
>you're allowed to keep the kokiri shield until such time as you lose it or decide to ditch it yourself
>you're allowed to purchase items from shops
>you're allowed to open chests containing money and supplies, but nothing permanent unless it's a required item (that means no maps/compasses, either)
>you can only have 1 bottle
>you're allowed to keep anything in the bottle you want, including blue potion (but remember, no biggoron sword)
The goal is to have the fewest number of inventory items at the end of the game. That's why I think it's okay to use shops, chests or get the blue potion despite this being a minimalist run, because none of those things change the number of inventory items at the end. You could probably even argue that getting the Hylian Shield is okay since it's technically a "temporary" item that can be lost, but that's up to you. The main thing is just getting that sweet, sweet completed profile with the lowest item count possible without glitches.
>you're allowed to keep the kokiri shield until such time as you lose it or decide to ditch it yourself
>you're allowed to purchase items from shops
>you're allowed to open chests containing money and supplies, but nothing permanent unless it's a required item (that means no maps/compasses, either)
How is that minimalist?
>The main thing is just getting that sweet, sweet completed profile with the lowest item count possible without glitches.
So it's okay to cheat and not really do a minimalist run so long as you can get a nice looking screenshot? Why? What does a screenshot matter?
>he's still at it
Can you answer my questions?
I would if you weren't just being a disingenuous homosexual trying to ruin the thread. But hey, if you really want to talk about it, sure:
>How is that minimalist
I guess that depends on how you define "minimalist". The definition I employ here is: having the fewest number of permanent items possible. Anything that doesn't effect the number of permanent items you have is permissible. You can find bombs, arrows, etc., just by playing, so why not get them from shops or chests? You could argue that this is even the more minimalistic option in some ways, as sourcing them directly could save time and hassle of searching for them. As for the Kokiri Shield, it has the strange status of being both an item required to beat the game, but also destructible. It makes sense then, that you keep it unless it's destroyed. I think these rules are pretty fair, and allow the game to maintain some strategical depth in spite of purposely limiting your inventory.
I'd define "minimalist" as obtaining the least possible items, not just "permanent" ones so I can "get a sweet screenshot" but also things like fairies and even rupees. Your definition isn't truly minimalist. It's a faux-minimalist where the end goal isn't to see if you can beat the game in a minimalistic fashion but rather to just "get a good screenshot." I don't even know who you think would be impressed by such a screenshot, but you really ought call it a screenshot run, shouldn't you?
>I'd define "minimalist" as obtaining the least possible items
Oops, accidentally ran into a rupee in a grass patch, guess the run is ruined. Doesn't sound fun.
>screenshots screenshots screenshots
Who are you quoting? Nobody said anything about screenshots except you. I also don't think it's "impressive" at all, it's called fun. You remember fun, right?
>Oops, accidentally ran into a rupee in a grass patch, guess the run is ruined. Doesn't sound fun.
Sounds more fun if you're challenged by having to also avoid rupees but if you can't meet that challenge you could at least say "let's ignore accidental rupee pick-ups because it won't matter when we're not buying things we don't need from stores like potions."
>Who are you quoting? Nobody said anything about screenshots except you.
>The main thing is just getting that sweet, sweet completed profile with the lowest item count possible without glitches.
What's the point of "that sweet, sweet complete profile with the lowest item count possible without glitches" when you know you grabbed and even used items that you didn't need to complete the game? You don't need a blue potion to complete the game, but that's okay because it doesn't count on the profile screen? What sense does that make?
Minimalist runs are nothing new and nobody thinks any of this except you.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/197771-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time/76611058
If you want to argue that it's not a "true minimalist run" unless you skip individual fricking rupees, then alright, that's moronic but you do you. I'm still going to call this a minimalist run.
>doing an actual minimalist run where you aren't chugging down potions and fairies is "moronic"
This thread isn't for you then. Please leave. I'd like to discuss glitchless minimalist runs, not "check out my sweet profile" faked runs.
If you aren't going to go actually minimalist, why not use glitches? Either way, you're cheating.
Man you literally sound like an angry 40 year old woman.
You can think I sound like whatever you want but you think "minimalist run" means "use as many fairies and potions as you can because those don't show up on your profile" so you've already demonstrated thinking isn't something you're good at.
Sorry man, it's still a minimalist run.
>minimalist run
>taking and using more items than you need to beat the game
No.
>taking and using more items than you need to beat the game
They're not items. They're resources used by items. Yep, it's still a minimalist run™.
According to the manual, potions are items.
Swords aren't items. They're equipment. Is it okay to get the Biggoron Sword or Hylian Shield just because it is equipment and not an item?
>he's back to shitting his diaper again
Songs aren't "items" either, but they're still counted. Are you going to keep making increasingly moronic arguments? I'm actually curious how far you'll take this. We've gone from "glitching past the kokiri sword is the same as not getting the hylian shield" to "swords aren't items".
Swords aren't items. They're equipment.
Songs aren't items either, so they're okay according to you. Get all the unnecessary songs because that really is minimalist. Drink potions until Link chokes because that's minimalist.
Or you could just try to really limit yourself to the bare minimum of stuff you need to beat the game, and that includes fairies and potions.
>Songs aren't items either, so they're okay according to you.
I literally said the songs you could avoid getting right here
I'm not even going to address the rest because you're being a hysterical woman again. I'm gonna go smoke a cig and play Warcraft 3 for a bit. Peace dude.
You're not making any sense. You say it's okay to grab and use as many potions as you want (not minimalist) because they "aren't items" but other things like songs "aren't items" but need to be avoided.
Pick one or the other, anon. Either it's okay to ignore the minimalist mindset when it comes to non-items (potions, songs, swords, shields, and so on) or we should adhere to the minimalist mindset for things regardless of whether or not they're "items" (which would mean using the bare minimum potions and fairies need to complete the game).
use a potion, its gone forever. get a song, it stays forever. thats why you dont count consumables. idk why this is confusing for you but yeah you need to take a break
I can't believe you're being this moronic in earnest. You may almost have a point with the shields and tunics (as they can be destroyed and ultimately deleted from your inventory, and potentially treated as disposables), but there's otherwise a clear distinction between collectables that count towards permanent progression and things you just pick up and use as one offs, and you're completely missing that point. Who the frick cares if something is an "item".
hes just being a gay because he got called reddit
profile proves your quest. no proof if you found rupees or items and used em up, so no point in counting them. makes the game boring too. your taking it way too far
Who cares about "proof" anon? Nobody is going to be impressed that you beat Zelda with less items, especially when you really didn't and admit you cheated your minimalist run by grabbing more items than you needed.
>profile proves your quest. no proof if you found rupees or items and used em up, so no point in counting them.
No proof on your profile if you used Gameshark codes so according to you those are fair game too.
bunch of bs, none of that matters. its a different way to play the game and its fun. at the end you get a little profile that reminds you of your adventure. who cares if anybody else knows? you dont just play games for you??
I do play games just for myself, which is why I wouldn't cheat at a minimalist run by chugging a bunch of potions I didn't need. Why would I do that to myself and cheat myself out of a fun challenge? Why did you cheat yourself out of a fun challenge?
prolly because avoiding using the items your actually allowed to have and dodging rupees on the ground harder than you dodge pussy is not a fun challenge
According to you, the guy who can't beat Zelda without chugging an absolute ocean of potions.
I don't know, if you don't find minimalist runs fun, why come into this thread at all just to promote fake, cheated minimalist runs? That's not fun to me. Cheating at video games isn't fun and you should stop doing it and actually enjoy a good challenge.
>promote fake, cheated minimalist runs
>came into the thread just to say you should cheat and skip the kokiri sword in a thread about glitchless runs
wew lad
When did I do that?
Why are you still trying to have a conversation with this underhanded, disingenuous prick? He's baiting you into his world of idiocy and half truths so he can "beat" you, to stroke his ego.
I saw a thread about minimalist runs of OoT and it's something I've done in the past. I don't get why this anon thinks he needs a bunch of potions and fairies and such to beat OoT. The goal of a minimalist run should be to do it with the fewest items possible, and that should mean only using fairies/pots for sections where they might be required and no more.
Do you know about using a cuccoo to skip using Lullaby to enter Zora's domain? Using a cuccoo to cross gaps is 100% intended and the trick is pretty easy. You could save and quit after getting zelda's letter to avoid getting the song i think
I've never actually tried that before. The problem though is that you need to get past the boulders to get into Zora's Domain to begin with. You can't get past the boulders unless you have bombs, which means you need to get Zelda's Letter so you can get past the guard leading to death mountain and beat Dodongo's (so you can get the bombs). Now if you're saying you can use the cucco to get through the waterfall, that's interesting, though I doubt it was intended because having to save and quit just to get the letter without the song is pretty unconventional. The bigger issue though is that you need Zelda's Lullaby in other places later on, so you'd still softlock yourself into a situation where you'd have to glitch to proceed. It does open up some interesting possibilities, I'm gonna mess with that a bit.
You should watch a couple of glitchless speedruns that's where I learned this trick. And yeah you kinda need lullaby for the boat in Shadow Temple and that one key in Ganon's castle
>You should watch a couple of glitchless speedruns
This. Why even make a thread? You can learn exactly what to do by watching actual experts.
I just looked it up, and I'm not sure if this works actually. Some gay on gamefaqs claims that if you save and quit with Zelda's letter without learning the lullaby, the letter will be gone when you reload. They might've put a check in there to compensate for that situation. If you can find proof that this works I'd be very interested.
As soon as the 'Zelda's Courtyard' cutscene triggers, the flag for having Zelda's Letter and Zelda's Lullaby is simultaneously checked, regardless if you watch the whole cutscene or not.
Makes sense. I'm actually impressed by how much foresight they had with this stuff.
pretty sure you can avoid getting fire tunic if you get all 4 bottles
pikachu mask is required to open the gate, iirc
>Lens of truth
I really wouldnt recommend doing this
4 bottles is way worse than just getting the fire tunic if his goal is to keep his inventory as small as possible.
>I really wouldnt recommend doing this
Lens isn't needed once you know what you're doing.
You can use Din's to ignite the bomb flowers to blow up the path to Goron City
how would you get din's fire in the first place though without bombs
>pikachu mask is required to open the gate, iirc
What? No, not at all. You open the gate with Zelda's letter. It's the hole reason why you have to go meet Zelda in the first place
>not getting the bigoron sword
Why would I play that game without getting cool shit?
Hover Boots. I don't remember the details but you can use damge boosts from bombs (not a glitch) to get over the two mandatory gaps
Don't walk this path. If you do an absolute bare minimum inventory/glichless run, your going to have more frustration than what it's worth.
>your going to have more frustration than what it's worth.
I already did it, the OP pic is from my last run. There was nothing frustrating about it at all, if anything it was less frustrating because I didn't concern myself with all of the bullshit sidequests/minigames I normally would. The only remotely difficult part was memorizing the path to spirit temple without lens of truth and a few spots invisible hookshot spots in shadow temple. Even Bongo Bongo was fairly easy. You have to do things a different way sometimes, but that's part of what makes it fun.
I dig it man. If you have the determination, then go for it. But since you had to ask what all items you need (or rather you don't need) I assume you might be, well, kinda new to the game, or at the very least. If I was wrong I apologize. Do note: you can beat the Fire Temple without a Goron Tunic and the Water Temple without a Zora Tunic. The Water temple isn't so bad but.. man good luck with the Fire Temple with only 3 hearts (and maybe one fairy). How far do you want to go? You can beat the game without getting the bomb nag, if you just want to make the game hard for yourself. You have to plan out your Chu's carefully so you don't run out and sotflock your run. I've done runs like this countless times and I had to ask my self at what point was is just needless masochism.
Pic related is my minimalist 1080ww run.
The first thin I did as a Child was defeat the Fire Temple and Volvagia then wrong warped to the Ganon's Tower collapse and defeat Ganon. It was... not easy.
>Practice ROM
Doesn't count
Kek, no offense taken, but I've been playing this game since '98 and I make probably 80% of the OoT threads on the board. I've made this very thread before, in fact. The only reason I ask "what am I missing" is to see if anybody has some inventive way to further reduce the inventory that I haven't thought of yet. I've done this run 3 or so times already and I still gain some new insights each time. Mostly I want to see if there are ways to avoid more powerful items by getting less common items or upgrades. Also, you cannot beat the game without getting the bomb bag unless you use glitches.
>you cannot beat the game without getting the bomb bag unless you use glitches.
It's been a while. What do you need bombs for that chus cannot do?
>What do you need bombs for that chus cannot do?
It's not a matter of what they can do, it's that you literally can't get bombchus before bombs without glitches or exploits. You can't buy bombchus from the black market shop until after beating Dodongo's, same with the bombchu bowling alley. The only other way to get bombchus that early is skulltulas. Problem is, you need 40 tokens to get 10 bombchus, and there aren't 40 tokens available in the child timeline that you can access without bombs. Ergo, you're gonna have to get bombs before bombchus.
>It's not a matter of what they can do, it's that you literally can't get bombchus before bombs without glitches or exploits. You can't buy bombchus from the black market shop until after beating Dodongo's, same with the bombchu bowling alley. The only other way to get bombchus that early is skulltulas. Problem is, you need 40 tokens to get 10 bombchus, and there aren't 40 tokens available in the child timeline that you can access without bombs. Ergo, you're gonna have to get bombs before bombchus.
Ah yeah that makes sense. It's been so long since I've done a "glitchless" run I forgot what the actual continuity was. (Also, I hope you're a little impressed by my 1080ww pic. I haven't shown it to anyone, and I'm a little proud that I pulled it off)
Honestly I can't get down the glitch stuff. It defeats the whole purpose. The fun of these kind of runs is seeing how far you can take the game as it was intended, rather than just exploiting obvious flaws in the code to do weird shit. Doing shit like that might be part of why you find it exhausting or masochistic. Playing the game without lens of truth or limited items is a totally different beast from doing moronic shit like trying to beat the game without a sword or clipping through walls. Respect for being autistic enough to do that, but that's where it no longer becomes fun IMO.
No need to bet offensive, bro. I'm on your side. Trying to help you out.
I'm not being "offensive", is this your first day on Ganker or something, you "autistic" is an insult? Honestly you're starting to come off as kind of a homosexual. I don't need you to "help" me, I know more about the game than you do.
>doubles down
Have a nice night. Good luck,
You're acting like a woman bro. You started off with that whole "uhh you seem new to the game and stuff haha...", and then I showed you up with the bombchu shit and now you're butthurt.
that guy clearly thinks he's an OoT master and realizing that he doesn't know as much as somebody else is a blow to his ego. prolly a troon tbh.
Also, you probably don't need Din's Fire either, but you gotta be a crack shot with Fire Arrows instead to open up the Shadow Temple.
>I make probably 80% of the OoT threads on the board
Please stop. There are enough shitty threads on this board without all the Oot spam.
No, I don't think I will. I also make the red potion vs fairy threads, the "OoT is non-linear" threads, the OoT secrets threads, and basically everything else except lore and shipping homosexualry. I will not, and you cannot make me. Every nuance of OoT WILL be uncovered and discussed to absolute exhaustion.
You don't need either Bombs/Bomb Bag or Bombchus. Don't need Silver/Gold Scale.
How do you finish Dodongo Cavern without the bombs?
Don't you need the silver scale to get the bottle with Ruto's letter?
If you're going for glitchless, you absolutely need bombs and scales. I have no idea what you're talking about but you're wrong.
You can skip the Kokiri Sword.
Can't in glichless. you need it to let Mido allow you access to the Deku Tree.
What are you counting as a glitch? If bypassing something the game intends for you to get is a glitch, then you can't do a minimalist run because they intend for you to get pretty much all the items.
There are items you absolutely need, and items that are optional. Something like Hylian Shield, yeah, they prolly assumed you would get it at one point or another, but there's nothing inherently game breaking about not having it, and they actually force you to get it, so it's optional. Same with other stuff like fire/ice arrows, spells, extra bottles, etc. Failure to obtain that stuff is not remotely the same as doing a bunch of moronic shit to abuse the code and avoid getting actual required items like the Kokiri Sword. Do you really not see the difference? Maybe you're thinking it's harder to avoid this stuff than it is, but everything I listed is literally just a matter of simply not going somewhere to obtain an item, no fricking around involved.
never actually force you to get it*
There's nothing inherently game-breaking about skipping Mido without getting the Kokiri Sword though. Game runs just fine without it. You can call it "doing moronic shit" but then anyone can call doing a "minimalist" run "doing moronic shit," especially since it's not minimalist as you're getting an item (the Kokiri Sword) not needed to beat all the bosses in the game.
I don't know if you're purposely being moronic or not, but dude, simply opting not to obtain an item that the game never forces you to get is not the same as doing something completely unintended and irrational like clipping past a character so you don't need an item. By your logic, you should just find a way to clip to Ganon's castle and beat him with 0 items. That's not fun, that's moronic. The point of a minimalist run is to see what the absolutely bare minimum you need to beat the game is, using INTENDED mechanics.
There's a big difference between getting past Mido to purposefully frick yourself out of a sword and make the run more challenging, and glitching to the end of the game and avoiding all challenge.
You're acting like bypassing Mido makes the minimalist run easier when it makes the minimalist run more challenging, which is the whole purpose of a minimalist run in the first place, to challenge yourself. If you're not up for the challenge then that's fine but don't act like it's some massive cheat or hack when it's a handicap.
>You're acting like bypassing Mido makes the minimalist run easier
I never said that, I said it's a glitch and it's moronic. Hey listen, if you don't enjoy playing the game as I've described, nobody is making you. This thread is about how to beat the game with the fewest items possible and no glitches. I don't know why you want to have this gay semantical argument but there's clearly a difference between glitching past characters vs not obtaining intentionally optional items. If you disagree, oh well, cope. Now back to the thread.
What's moronic about it? It allows you to do a more challenging, more minimalist run.
>give me attention!
This thread is about how to beat the game with the fewest items possible and no glitches. If you can't figure out why you're being a moronic homosexual, that's your problem. I'm not replying to you again.
You can't even answer my question because you have no good answer because you're wrong about this.
Skipping the Kokiri Sword makes the run more challenging and thus more rewarding. If you're picking it up, you aren't really challenging yourself. The end.
Do you see now, what anons mean when they say nintendrone?
Why are you upset?
I genuinely want to know this as well. I joined the thread and said you could skip the Kokiri Sword because it makes the challenge more challenging, whether it's a glitch or not, and I get some anon sperging out.
Scrolling up he's been melting down all thread, and I'd like to know why really.
Well, let's examine the issue: the topic of the thread is about how to beat the game using the fewest items, without glitches. You then enter the thread and contribute something completely irrelevant to the topic, while defending your statement with militant moronation. I can understand why people might think you're kind of a dumb homosexual.
Why does it have to be glitchless, anon? I can understand not doing a glitch that exploits the game and makes it easier. That ruins the challenge. But skipping the Kokiri Sword enhances the challenge.
>Why does it have to be glitchless, anon?
It doesn't. If you want to use glitches, go ahead. That just isn't the way I want to play, and it's not what the thread is about. Again, if you don't like that, oh well.
>It doesn't.
Then why get mad when someone uses a glitch to handicap themselves? Not just in this thread but others.
I'd respect the thread if you weren't dragging your "if it's glitchless it's WRONG" bullshit into other threads, OP.
>abloo bloo why can't I talk about things irrelevant to the thread topic
You can, and I'm going to call you a homosexual for it.
Okay. Keep crying about people skipping the Kokiri Sword then and doing a much more challenging, much more minimal run than your fake minimalist easy-mode run.
Bro, calm down.
Multiple anons are making fun of you and they aren't going to stop so get used to it.
>he's been melting down all thread, and I'd like to know why really.
poor social skills
Well okay yeah autism does explain it.
It's weird to think that you've been samegayging and shitting up the thread for nearly an hour now just because I said your "1080ww" run was gay and that I don't like using glitches. You really need to stop acting like this.
Take your meds, schizo. My first post in this thread was
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Welcome to Nintendo threads on /vr/. Enjoy your schizophrenia
>stalking so called schizos
Ummm anon I hate to break it to you...
Obvlivious, no. This is a game you play . I don't believe you can be so stupid and naive while also using manipulation tactics. I could say, something like "did you even read the op" but it holds no bearing on the illogical(you). I just hope you guys know you're fricking insane.
You're getting mad at anons for not picking up the Kokiri Sword. Not just in this thread but in other threads as well.
Calm down, spaz.
>anons
*one samegayging weirdo who can't even follow the topic of the thread
Who's samegayging?
I'm not even the same anon. Id tell you to follow the post, but you've been completely disingenuous the whole time. I dont expect an honest conversation from you.
He's mad that I didn't want to be reddit buddies with him. He knows exactly what he's doing and he said that shit about kokiri sword to throw a monkey wrench into the thread. He's just angry because he thought I was some scrub trying his first weird run of the game and then I BTFO'd him with knowledge he didn't have and his anus hasn't recovered yet.
>mindbroken
wew lad. Time for you to log off.
You're moronic.
>minimalist run WITHOUT glitches
Feels like nobody even read the OP.
>"you can't skip the kokiri sword that's a glitch!"
>"okay you can skip it but don't talk about it in this thread!"
>"okay you can talk about it in this thread but i'll be sad and say naughty no-no words at you!"
Well, this could've been an interesting thread, but surprise surprise, OP is a spergtastic homosexual who cannot handle discussion veering ever so slightly off the super specific parameters set by himself, and even admits to being obsessed. Not any of the anons you're throwing a shitfit at btw, just want to dogpile because frick you.
I welcome you to the dogpile.
>obese, bisexual man throws a hissy fit and replies to himself for an hour because somebody said glitching is moronic
I don't know what else to say dude. This was just some really weird, embarrassing behavior. If you want to continue acting like a hysterical woman then I can't stop you, but I'm afraid we're going to continue the thread now.
Just skip the Kokiri Sword and do a true minimalist run instead of a sissified easy mode "minimalist" run.
Can you answer my post about using Din's in Goron city to skip keaton's mask?
You don't need the Keaton Mask at all, it's just part of the mask trading sequence, which is totally optional.
>Nintendrones drink too much oot-aid the thread
This thread is fricking ridiculous, kek. What a dumpster fire
>I'm gonna go smoke a cig and play Warcraft 3 for a bit. Peace dude.
Well that was a lie.
Tangentially related but are there any dungeons other than water temple where you can skip keys without glitches? I feel like it might be possible in forest if you have the longshot first, or maybe fire by fricking around with farore or warps, but water is the only one I know has legit key skips for sure
You'll drink the red potion.
Oh, yes, you'll drink it.
You'll also get the bottle from Kakariko before ever seeing Zelda.
You'll even use Farore's Wind to skip keys.
You'll leave dungeons early after taking the dungeon item, and go beat other dungeons first.
You'll set a warp point in one dungeon, and warp back to it from a different dungeon.
You'll beat dungeons in the order you want, not the order uhhh """Navi""" tells you to.
You'll memorize the Haunted Wasteland without the Lens of Truth.
You'll experience the ultimate Hyrulean Adventure.
... And get this:
You'll be happy.
>You'll leave dungeons early after taking the dungeon item, and go beat other dungeons first
Once adult the only dungeon you absolutely have to finish before another is Forest for Spirit right? (Since you can't got back in time before finishing Forest)
necessary items (glitchless) are:
kokiri sword, master sword
deku shield, mirror shield
kokiri tunic
all 3 boots
sticks, slingshot, boomerang,
ocarina of time
bombs, hammer
bow, light arrows, (dins fire or fire arrows)
bottle 1,
zelda's letter
upgrades:
bullet bag 30, bomb bag 20, quiver 30, gold gauntlets, magic
songs:
lullaby, sarias, time
all warp songs
there are too many items for this to be interesting. its the intended route except you skip hearts and farores
you technically need the lens of truth to beat BongoBongo and Shadow temple. You ""could"" bruteforce it without it but then you'd have ask yourself how hardcore do you want to be about this challenge run. Stuff like LoT that's on the beaten path shouldn't be considered optional imo since the game is literally putting it in your way and telling you to use it.
What do you specifically need the Hylian Shield for? You need the Mirror Shield for Twinrova.
Oh no wait my bad, you're saying you DON'T need that
>allow cheats
>skips to end with nothing
Do I win?