OoT ultimate minimalist run

What items/rewards aren't actually needed to beat the game without glitches? So far I've narrowed it down to:
>Hylian Shield
>Biggoron Sword
>Epona
>Deku Nuts
>All capacity/wallet upgrades
>All heart pieces
>All magic meter upgrades (except the first)
>All spells (except Din's Fire)
>All arrows (except Light Arrows)
>3 of 4 bottles
>Any of the masks
>Lens of Truth
>Magic Beans
Am I forgetting anything?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think you can substitute dins fire with fire arrows if you wanted to, but without glitches you need at least one of them.

    Pretty sure the red and blue tunics aren’t actually required but it’d be hard as hell without them. Actually with only three hearts and not using the bottles I’m not actually sure if they’d be required or not. With warping in and out and enough health and potions you could probably tank at least fire temple, but in a three heart minimum gear run I’m not sure.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't speedruns that don't glitch the absolute shit out of the game beat both temples without tunics or extra hearts? I'm pretty sure that's been a thing since forever ago, but it requires very precise pathing and such.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't speedruns that don't glitch the absolute shit out of the game beat both temples without tunics or extra hearts? I'm pretty sure that's been a thing since forever ago, but it requires very precise pathing and such.

      One guy I was talking to once said you either need an extra bottle or a couple extra hearts to pull it off, since the biggest rooms in fire/water will take longer than your 3 hearts + 1 fairy to overcome. Maybe somebody has figured out a way though.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you open the Shadow Temple with just fire arrows? I thought Din's Fire was mandatory for that.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        you can, there's a video of it on youtube. it isn't nearly as is, but it can be done. the bigger issue is that one room in ganon's castle

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Can you open the Shadow Temple with just fire arrows?
        Yes, I've seen people do it multiple times. You just need to shoot your fire arrows in very specific ways and execute the whole thing perfectly

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh yeah, I forgot too, you don't need the sun's song, epona's song, the scarecrow's song or song of storms. Interestingly, you could also opt to get scarecrow's song instead of the bolero of fire. There's a secret back entrance into fire temple that requires the scarecrow but doesn't force you to learn bolero of fire.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >here's a secret back entrance into fire temple that requires the scarecrow but doesn't force you to learn bolero of fire.

      That is actually super interesting and I never thought about that.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Minimalist runs are cool as frick. I suspect there are still many undiscovered strategies to avoid getting what are usually "necessary" items by getting one optional item. You can do some funky stuff with Farore's Wind.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >song of storms
      I was going to ask how you access bottom of the well as a kid without that, but if you aren't using the lens of truth then is that entire dungeon optional?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        There’s a way to hard drop from the rim of the well and swim down the tunnel

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          That sounds like glitch usage which OP wanted to avoid. Unless I'm misunderstanding.

          I guess general physics exploits are kind of a gray area with that, but if it seems especially unnatural then I wouldn't count it as valid for this kind of run.

          Still, as long as the well itself is optional then it doesn't matter either way.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            IMO a glitch is something that wasn't intended by the developer and can only be done by doing something unusual or counter-intuitive to the normal gameplay. an exploit is more the unintended consequence of an intended mechanic, e.g. using a bomb's blast to push link over an obstacle, like the other anon said. the bomb's ability to knock link around was clearly intended, but using it to circumvent obstacles was probably not.

            simplest definition would be an unintended interaction. Being more specific, stuff like swimming into the bottom of the well would be a soft glitch, while clipping out of bounds would be a hard glitch. And above that, ID and variable manipulation would be an ultra glitch or something with it's own name. Is the Super Sayan 3 of glitches.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          That sounds like glitch usage which OP wanted to avoid. Unless I'm misunderstanding.

          I guess general physics exploits are kind of a gray area with that, but if it seems especially unnatural then I wouldn't count it as valid for this kind of run.

          Still, as long as the well itself is optional then it doesn't matter either way.

          Hover Boots. I don't remember the details but you can use damge boosts from bombs (not a glitch) to get over the two mandatory gaps

          This opens up a fun discussion on what is/isn't a glitch in games. BLJs in mario are widely considered a glitch, but are also technically just an exploit of the physics similar to what is being discussed here.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            IMO a glitch is something that wasn't intended by the developer and can only be done by doing something unusual or counter-intuitive to the normal gameplay. an exploit is more the unintended consequence of an intended mechanic, e.g. using a bomb's blast to push link over an obstacle, like the other anon said. the bomb's ability to knock link around was clearly intended, but using it to circumvent obstacles was probably not.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yep, bottom of the well is completely optional. You don't need to go there at all if you can make do without the lens. I did it on my last run, didn't even set foot in there.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I never understood the scarecrow mechanic untill long after I stopped playing OoT, so there are many secrets I'll never witness. Is weird how MM being the "secret sidequest Zelda", but in actuality that game pushes the player to discover all of it's secrets. I think I've 100% MM and everything was properly hinted at in some way or another.
      OoT on the other hand has little secrets here and there that simply exist yet are never hinted at. In that sense it is much more in line with the older style of Zelda games than it's successors.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hylian shield
    time to start over

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      are you one of those morons that thinks you need the hylian shield to get past death mountain?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP was listing items you actually don't need

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    ice arrows obviously

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Already listed that

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can’t get down with extreme handicaps like a minimalist run but I’m doing a 3 heart run for the first time and it’s probably what I should have done all along on replays. Just the right amount of challenge to keep it tense.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I can’t get down with extreme handicaps like a minimalist run
      You think it would feel that way, but it doesn't. It cuts all the fat. All the shit you'd normally do like skulltulas, poes, minigames, it all becomes irrelevant. The game becomes pure action and you truck it from one temple to the next. It also adds value to things that are underutilized in a 100% run, like how much more valuable rupees are when you can only hold 99 and have 1 bottle. Don't get me wrong, I love playing the game for all the side content, but after a dozen times it's nice to have a different level of challenge that also changes how you play the game.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's a patching toll that basically lets you create your own custom version of OoT and bumping up the difficulty actually makes you want to get more hearts. For example you can make it so you take 4x damage, fairies can't be bottled, and hearts don't drop from grass, rocks, pots, etc
        https://github.com/Admentus64/Patcher64Plus-Tool

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >toll
          tool*

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's cool, though to be honest I'm not a big fan of mods. I like seeing how far I can push the base game.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love this game so much bros.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      goddamn it now i want to play it again

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do it.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Man, just look at that pic. This is what fun looks like. No clutter, no bullshit, just a kid on an adventure. Pleasing colors, nice lighting, those soulful little pre-rendered icons... this is as good as it gets.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >without glitches
    How are you beating Volvagia without the Megaton Hammer?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's listing things you DON'T need. The hammer isn't on that list.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Now this is the type of autism I can get behind.
    Speedruns never interested me because they always eventually devolve into the runners just wrong warping right to the end of the game instead of playing it.
    This has the same appeal as those "beat MM in one cycle" runs.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you want to try this yourself, here are the rules I use:
      >no glitches or questionable exploits like bomb jumping
      >only obtain items required to reach ganon and beat the game (kokiri sword, hookshot, etc.)
      >no upgrades or collectibles such as heart pieces, skulltulas, and so on
      >no great fairy fountain rewards except the first magic meter
      >no epona or optional songs
      >you're allowed to keep the kokiri shield until such time as you lose it or decide to ditch it yourself
      >you're allowed to purchase items from shops
      >you're allowed to open chests containing money and supplies, but nothing permanent unless it's a required item (that means no maps/compasses, either)
      >you can only have 1 bottle
      >you're allowed to keep anything in the bottle you want, including blue potion (but remember, no biggoron sword)
      The goal is to have the fewest number of inventory items at the end of the game. That's why I think it's okay to use shops, chests or get the blue potion despite this being a minimalist run, because none of those things change the number of inventory items at the end. You could probably even argue that getting the Hylian Shield is okay since it's technically a "temporary" item that can be lost, but that's up to you. The main thing is just getting that sweet, sweet completed profile with the lowest item count possible without glitches.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you're allowed to keep the kokiri shield until such time as you lose it or decide to ditch it yourself
        >you're allowed to purchase items from shops
        >you're allowed to open chests containing money and supplies, but nothing permanent unless it's a required item (that means no maps/compasses, either)
        How is that minimalist?
        >The main thing is just getting that sweet, sweet completed profile with the lowest item count possible without glitches.
        So it's okay to cheat and not really do a minimalist run so long as you can get a nice looking screenshot? Why? What does a screenshot matter?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >he's still at it

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can you answer my questions?

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              I would if you weren't just being a disingenuous homosexual trying to ruin the thread. But hey, if you really want to talk about it, sure:
              >How is that minimalist
              I guess that depends on how you define "minimalist". The definition I employ here is: having the fewest number of permanent items possible. Anything that doesn't effect the number of permanent items you have is permissible. You can find bombs, arrows, etc., just by playing, so why not get them from shops or chests? You could argue that this is even the more minimalistic option in some ways, as sourcing them directly could save time and hassle of searching for them. As for the Kokiri Shield, it has the strange status of being both an item required to beat the game, but also destructible. It makes sense then, that you keep it unless it's destroyed. I think these rules are pretty fair, and allow the game to maintain some strategical depth in spite of purposely limiting your inventory.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'd define "minimalist" as obtaining the least possible items, not just "permanent" ones so I can "get a sweet screenshot" but also things like fairies and even rupees. Your definition isn't truly minimalist. It's a faux-minimalist where the end goal isn't to see if you can beat the game in a minimalistic fashion but rather to just "get a good screenshot." I don't even know who you think would be impressed by such a screenshot, but you really ought call it a screenshot run, shouldn't you?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'd define "minimalist" as obtaining the least possible items
                Oops, accidentally ran into a rupee in a grass patch, guess the run is ruined. Doesn't sound fun.
                >screenshots screenshots screenshots
                Who are you quoting? Nobody said anything about screenshots except you. I also don't think it's "impressive" at all, it's called fun. You remember fun, right?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Oops, accidentally ran into a rupee in a grass patch, guess the run is ruined. Doesn't sound fun.
                Sounds more fun if you're challenged by having to also avoid rupees but if you can't meet that challenge you could at least say "let's ignore accidental rupee pick-ups because it won't matter when we're not buying things we don't need from stores like potions."
                >Who are you quoting? Nobody said anything about screenshots except you.

                If you want to try this yourself, here are the rules I use:
                >no glitches or questionable exploits like bomb jumping
                >only obtain items required to reach ganon and beat the game (kokiri sword, hookshot, etc.)
                >no upgrades or collectibles such as heart pieces, skulltulas, and so on
                >no great fairy fountain rewards except the first magic meter
                >no epona or optional songs
                >you're allowed to keep the kokiri shield until such time as you lose it or decide to ditch it yourself
                >you're allowed to purchase items from shops
                >you're allowed to open chests containing money and supplies, but nothing permanent unless it's a required item (that means no maps/compasses, either)
                >you can only have 1 bottle
                >you're allowed to keep anything in the bottle you want, including blue potion (but remember, no biggoron sword)
                The goal is to have the fewest number of inventory items at the end of the game. That's why I think it's okay to use shops, chests or get the blue potion despite this being a minimalist run, because none of those things change the number of inventory items at the end. You could probably even argue that getting the Hylian Shield is okay since it's technically a "temporary" item that can be lost, but that's up to you. The main thing is just getting that sweet, sweet completed profile with the lowest item count possible without glitches.

                >The main thing is just getting that sweet, sweet completed profile with the lowest item count possible without glitches.
                What's the point of "that sweet, sweet complete profile with the lowest item count possible without glitches" when you know you grabbed and even used items that you didn't need to complete the game? You don't need a blue potion to complete the game, but that's okay because it doesn't count on the profile screen? What sense does that make?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Minimalist runs are nothing new and nobody thinks any of this except you.
                https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/197771-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time/76611058
                If you want to argue that it's not a "true minimalist run" unless you skip individual fricking rupees, then alright, that's moronic but you do you. I'm still going to call this a minimalist run.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >doing an actual minimalist run where you aren't chugging down potions and fairies is "moronic"
                This thread isn't for you then. Please leave. I'd like to discuss glitchless minimalist runs, not "check out my sweet profile" faked runs.
                If you aren't going to go actually minimalist, why not use glitches? Either way, you're cheating.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Man you literally sound like an angry 40 year old woman.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can think I sound like whatever you want but you think "minimalist run" means "use as many fairies and potions as you can because those don't show up on your profile" so you've already demonstrated thinking isn't something you're good at.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry man, it's still a minimalist run.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >minimalist run
                >taking and using more items than you need to beat the game
                No.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >taking and using more items than you need to beat the game
                They're not items. They're resources used by items. Yep, it's still a minimalist run™.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                According to the manual, potions are items.
                Swords aren't items. They're equipment. Is it okay to get the Biggoron Sword or Hylian Shield just because it is equipment and not an item?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he's back to shitting his diaper again
                Songs aren't "items" either, but they're still counted. Are you going to keep making increasingly moronic arguments? I'm actually curious how far you'll take this. We've gone from "glitching past the kokiri sword is the same as not getting the hylian shield" to "swords aren't items".

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Swords aren't items. They're equipment.
                Songs aren't items either, so they're okay according to you. Get all the unnecessary songs because that really is minimalist. Drink potions until Link chokes because that's minimalist.
                Or you could just try to really limit yourself to the bare minimum of stuff you need to beat the game, and that includes fairies and potions.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Songs aren't items either, so they're okay according to you.
                I literally said the songs you could avoid getting right here

                Oh yeah, I forgot too, you don't need the sun's song, epona's song, the scarecrow's song or song of storms. Interestingly, you could also opt to get scarecrow's song instead of the bolero of fire. There's a secret back entrance into fire temple that requires the scarecrow but doesn't force you to learn bolero of fire.

                I'm not even going to address the rest because you're being a hysterical woman again. I'm gonna go smoke a cig and play Warcraft 3 for a bit. Peace dude.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're not making any sense. You say it's okay to grab and use as many potions as you want (not minimalist) because they "aren't items" but other things like songs "aren't items" but need to be avoided.
                Pick one or the other, anon. Either it's okay to ignore the minimalist mindset when it comes to non-items (potions, songs, swords, shields, and so on) or we should adhere to the minimalist mindset for things regardless of whether or not they're "items" (which would mean using the bare minimum potions and fairies need to complete the game).

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                use a potion, its gone forever. get a song, it stays forever. thats why you dont count consumables. idk why this is confusing for you but yeah you need to take a break

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                According to you, the guy who can't beat Zelda without chugging an absolute ocean of potions.
                I don't know, if you don't find minimalist runs fun, why come into this thread at all just to promote fake, cheated minimalist runs? That's not fun to me. Cheating at video games isn't fun and you should stop doing it and actually enjoy a good challenge.

                Swords aren't items. They're equipment.
                Songs aren't items either, so they're okay according to you. Get all the unnecessary songs because that really is minimalist. Drink potions until Link chokes because that's minimalist.
                Or you could just try to really limit yourself to the bare minimum of stuff you need to beat the game, and that includes fairies and potions.

                You're not making any sense. You say it's okay to grab and use as many potions as you want (not minimalist) because they "aren't items" but other things like songs "aren't items" but need to be avoided.
                Pick one or the other, anon. Either it's okay to ignore the minimalist mindset when it comes to non-items (potions, songs, swords, shields, and so on) or we should adhere to the minimalist mindset for things regardless of whether or not they're "items" (which would mean using the bare minimum potions and fairies need to complete the game).

                I can't believe you're being this moronic in earnest. You may almost have a point with the shields and tunics (as they can be destroyed and ultimately deleted from your inventory, and potentially treated as disposables), but there's otherwise a clear distinction between collectables that count towards permanent progression and things you just pick up and use as one offs, and you're completely missing that point. Who the frick cares if something is an "item".

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                hes just being a gay because he got called reddit

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                profile proves your quest. no proof if you found rupees or items and used em up, so no point in counting them. makes the game boring too. your taking it way too far

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who cares about "proof" anon? Nobody is going to be impressed that you beat Zelda with less items, especially when you really didn't and admit you cheated your minimalist run by grabbing more items than you needed.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >profile proves your quest. no proof if you found rupees or items and used em up, so no point in counting them.
                No proof on your profile if you used Gameshark codes so according to you those are fair game too.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                bunch of bs, none of that matters. its a different way to play the game and its fun. at the end you get a little profile that reminds you of your adventure. who cares if anybody else knows? you dont just play games for you??

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I do play games just for myself, which is why I wouldn't cheat at a minimalist run by chugging a bunch of potions I didn't need. Why would I do that to myself and cheat myself out of a fun challenge? Why did you cheat yourself out of a fun challenge?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                prolly because avoiding using the items your actually allowed to have and dodging rupees on the ground harder than you dodge pussy is not a fun challenge

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                According to you, the guy who can't beat Zelda without chugging an absolute ocean of potions.
                I don't know, if you don't find minimalist runs fun, why come into this thread at all just to promote fake, cheated minimalist runs? That's not fun to me. Cheating at video games isn't fun and you should stop doing it and actually enjoy a good challenge.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >promote fake, cheated minimalist runs
                >came into the thread just to say you should cheat and skip the kokiri sword in a thread about glitchless runs
                wew lad

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                When did I do that?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you still trying to have a conversation with this underhanded, disingenuous prick? He's baiting you into his world of idiocy and half truths so he can "beat" you, to stroke his ego.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I saw a thread about minimalist runs of OoT and it's something I've done in the past. I don't get why this anon thinks he needs a bunch of potions and fairies and such to beat OoT. The goal of a minimalist run should be to do it with the fewest items possible, and that should mean only using fairies/pots for sections where they might be required and no more.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do you know about using a cuccoo to skip using Lullaby to enter Zora's domain? Using a cuccoo to cross gaps is 100% intended and the trick is pretty easy. You could save and quit after getting zelda's letter to avoid getting the song i think

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I've never actually tried that before. The problem though is that you need to get past the boulders to get into Zora's Domain to begin with. You can't get past the boulders unless you have bombs, which means you need to get Zelda's Letter so you can get past the guard leading to death mountain and beat Dodongo's (so you can get the bombs). Now if you're saying you can use the cucco to get through the waterfall, that's interesting, though I doubt it was intended because having to save and quit just to get the letter without the song is pretty unconventional. The bigger issue though is that you need Zelda's Lullaby in other places later on, so you'd still softlock yourself into a situation where you'd have to glitch to proceed. It does open up some interesting possibilities, I'm gonna mess with that a bit.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You should watch a couple of glitchless speedruns that's where I learned this trick. And yeah you kinda need lullaby for the boat in Shadow Temple and that one key in Ganon's castle

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >You should watch a couple of glitchless speedruns
              This. Why even make a thread? You can learn exactly what to do by watching actual experts.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I just looked it up, and I'm not sure if this works actually. Some gay on gamefaqs claims that if you save and quit with Zelda's letter without learning the lullaby, the letter will be gone when you reload. They might've put a check in there to compensate for that situation. If you can find proof that this works I'd be very interested.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                As soon as the 'Zelda's Courtyard' cutscene triggers, the flag for having Zelda's Letter and Zelda's Lullaby is simultaneously checked, regardless if you watch the whole cutscene or not.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Makes sense. I'm actually impressed by how much foresight they had with this stuff.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    pretty sure you can avoid getting fire tunic if you get all 4 bottles
    pikachu mask is required to open the gate, iirc
    >Lens of truth
    I really wouldnt recommend doing this

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      4 bottles is way worse than just getting the fire tunic if his goal is to keep his inventory as small as possible.
      >I really wouldnt recommend doing this
      Lens isn't needed once you know what you're doing.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can use Din's to ignite the bomb flowers to blow up the path to Goron City

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        how would you get din's fire in the first place though without bombs

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >pikachu mask is required to open the gate, iirc
      What? No, not at all. You open the gate with Zelda's letter. It's the hole reason why you have to go meet Zelda in the first place

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >not getting the bigoron sword
    Why would I play that game without getting cool shit?

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hover Boots. I don't remember the details but you can use damge boosts from bombs (not a glitch) to get over the two mandatory gaps

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't walk this path. If you do an absolute bare minimum inventory/glichless run, your going to have more frustration than what it's worth.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >your going to have more frustration than what it's worth.
      I already did it, the OP pic is from my last run. There was nothing frustrating about it at all, if anything it was less frustrating because I didn't concern myself with all of the bullshit sidequests/minigames I normally would. The only remotely difficult part was memorizing the path to spirit temple without lens of truth and a few spots invisible hookshot spots in shadow temple. Even Bongo Bongo was fairly easy. You have to do things a different way sometimes, but that's part of what makes it fun.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I dig it man. If you have the determination, then go for it. But since you had to ask what all items you need (or rather you don't need) I assume you might be, well, kinda new to the game, or at the very least. If I was wrong I apologize. Do note: you can beat the Fire Temple without a Goron Tunic and the Water Temple without a Zora Tunic. The Water temple isn't so bad but.. man good luck with the Fire Temple with only 3 hearts (and maybe one fairy). How far do you want to go? You can beat the game without getting the bomb nag, if you just want to make the game hard for yourself. You have to plan out your Chu's carefully so you don't run out and sotflock your run. I've done runs like this countless times and I had to ask my self at what point was is just needless masochism.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pic related is my minimalist 1080ww run.
          The first thin I did as a Child was defeat the Fire Temple and Volvagia then wrong warped to the Ganon's Tower collapse and defeat Ganon. It was... not easy.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Practice ROM
            Doesn't count

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Kek, no offense taken, but I've been playing this game since '98 and I make probably 80% of the OoT threads on the board. I've made this very thread before, in fact. The only reason I ask "what am I missing" is to see if anybody has some inventive way to further reduce the inventory that I haven't thought of yet. I've done this run 3 or so times already and I still gain some new insights each time. Mostly I want to see if there are ways to avoid more powerful items by getting less common items or upgrades. Also, you cannot beat the game without getting the bomb bag unless you use glitches.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you cannot beat the game without getting the bomb bag unless you use glitches.
            It's been a while. What do you need bombs for that chus cannot do?

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >What do you need bombs for that chus cannot do?
              It's not a matter of what they can do, it's that you literally can't get bombchus before bombs without glitches or exploits. You can't buy bombchus from the black market shop until after beating Dodongo's, same with the bombchu bowling alley. The only other way to get bombchus that early is skulltulas. Problem is, you need 40 tokens to get 10 bombchus, and there aren't 40 tokens available in the child timeline that you can access without bombs. Ergo, you're gonna have to get bombs before bombchus.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's not a matter of what they can do, it's that you literally can't get bombchus before bombs without glitches or exploits. You can't buy bombchus from the black market shop until after beating Dodongo's, same with the bombchu bowling alley. The only other way to get bombchus that early is skulltulas. Problem is, you need 40 tokens to get 10 bombchus, and there aren't 40 tokens available in the child timeline that you can access without bombs. Ergo, you're gonna have to get bombs before bombchus.
                Ah yeah that makes sense. It's been so long since I've done a "glitchless" run I forgot what the actual continuity was. (Also, I hope you're a little impressed by my 1080ww pic. I haven't shown it to anyone, and I'm a little proud that I pulled it off)

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly I can't get down the glitch stuff. It defeats the whole purpose. The fun of these kind of runs is seeing how far you can take the game as it was intended, rather than just exploiting obvious flaws in the code to do weird shit. Doing shit like that might be part of why you find it exhausting or masochistic. Playing the game without lens of truth or limited items is a totally different beast from doing moronic shit like trying to beat the game without a sword or clipping through walls. Respect for being autistic enough to do that, but that's where it no longer becomes fun IMO.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                No need to bet offensive, bro. I'm on your side. Trying to help you out.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not being "offensive", is this your first day on Ganker or something, you "autistic" is an insult? Honestly you're starting to come off as kind of a homosexual. I don't need you to "help" me, I know more about the game than you do.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >doubles down
                Have a nice night. Good luck,

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're acting like a woman bro. You started off with that whole "uhh you seem new to the game and stuff haha...", and then I showed you up with the bombchu shit and now you're butthurt.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                that guy clearly thinks he's an OoT master and realizing that he doesn't know as much as somebody else is a blow to his ego. prolly a troon tbh.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also, you probably don't need Din's Fire either, but you gotta be a crack shot with Fire Arrows instead to open up the Shadow Temple.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I make probably 80% of the OoT threads on the board
            Please stop. There are enough shitty threads on this board without all the Oot spam.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              No, I don't think I will. I also make the red potion vs fairy threads, the "OoT is non-linear" threads, the OoT secrets threads, and basically everything else except lore and shipping homosexualry. I will not, and you cannot make me. Every nuance of OoT WILL be uncovered and discussed to absolute exhaustion.

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don't need either Bombs/Bomb Bag or Bombchus. Don't need Silver/Gold Scale.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do you finish Dodongo Cavern without the bombs?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't you need the silver scale to get the bottle with Ruto's letter?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you're going for glitchless, you absolutely need bombs and scales. I have no idea what you're talking about but you're wrong.

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can skip the Kokiri Sword.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can't in glichless. you need it to let Mido allow you access to the Deku Tree.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >minimalist run WITHOUT glitches
        Feels like nobody even read the OP.

        What are you counting as a glitch? If bypassing something the game intends for you to get is a glitch, then you can't do a minimalist run because they intend for you to get pretty much all the items.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          There are items you absolutely need, and items that are optional. Something like Hylian Shield, yeah, they prolly assumed you would get it at one point or another, but there's nothing inherently game breaking about not having it, and they actually force you to get it, so it's optional. Same with other stuff like fire/ice arrows, spells, extra bottles, etc. Failure to obtain that stuff is not remotely the same as doing a bunch of moronic shit to abuse the code and avoid getting actual required items like the Kokiri Sword. Do you really not see the difference? Maybe you're thinking it's harder to avoid this stuff than it is, but everything I listed is literally just a matter of simply not going somewhere to obtain an item, no fricking around involved.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            never actually force you to get it*

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's nothing inherently game-breaking about skipping Mido without getting the Kokiri Sword though. Game runs just fine without it. You can call it "doing moronic shit" but then anyone can call doing a "minimalist" run "doing moronic shit," especially since it's not minimalist as you're getting an item (the Kokiri Sword) not needed to beat all the bosses in the game.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't know if you're purposely being moronic or not, but dude, simply opting not to obtain an item that the game never forces you to get is not the same as doing something completely unintended and irrational like clipping past a character so you don't need an item. By your logic, you should just find a way to clip to Ganon's castle and beat him with 0 items. That's not fun, that's moronic. The point of a minimalist run is to see what the absolutely bare minimum you need to beat the game is, using INTENDED mechanics.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's a big difference between getting past Mido to purposefully frick yourself out of a sword and make the run more challenging, and glitching to the end of the game and avoiding all challenge.
                You're acting like bypassing Mido makes the minimalist run easier when it makes the minimalist run more challenging, which is the whole purpose of a minimalist run in the first place, to challenge yourself. If you're not up for the challenge then that's fine but don't act like it's some massive cheat or hack when it's a handicap.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You're acting like bypassing Mido makes the minimalist run easier
                I never said that, I said it's a glitch and it's moronic. Hey listen, if you don't enjoy playing the game as I've described, nobody is making you. This thread is about how to beat the game with the fewest items possible and no glitches. I don't know why you want to have this gay semantical argument but there's clearly a difference between glitching past characters vs not obtaining intentionally optional items. If you disagree, oh well, cope. Now back to the thread.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                What's moronic about it? It allows you to do a more challenging, more minimalist run.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >give me attention!
                This thread is about how to beat the game with the fewest items possible and no glitches. If you can't figure out why you're being a moronic homosexual, that's your problem. I'm not replying to you again.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can't even answer my question because you have no good answer because you're wrong about this.
                Skipping the Kokiri Sword makes the run more challenging and thus more rewarding. If you're picking it up, you aren't really challenging yourself. The end.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Do you see now, what anons mean when they say nintendrone?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you upset?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I genuinely want to know this as well. I joined the thread and said you could skip the Kokiri Sword because it makes the challenge more challenging, whether it's a glitch or not, and I get some anon sperging out.
                Scrolling up he's been melting down all thread, and I'd like to know why really.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well, let's examine the issue: the topic of the thread is about how to beat the game using the fewest items, without glitches. You then enter the thread and contribute something completely irrelevant to the topic, while defending your statement with militant moronation. I can understand why people might think you're kind of a dumb homosexual.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why does it have to be glitchless, anon? I can understand not doing a glitch that exploits the game and makes it easier. That ruins the challenge. But skipping the Kokiri Sword enhances the challenge.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why does it have to be glitchless, anon?
                It doesn't. If you want to use glitches, go ahead. That just isn't the way I want to play, and it's not what the thread is about. Again, if you don't like that, oh well.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It doesn't.
                Then why get mad when someone uses a glitch to handicap themselves? Not just in this thread but others.

                [...]

                I'd respect the thread if you weren't dragging your "if it's glitchless it's WRONG" bullshit into other threads, OP.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >abloo bloo why can't I talk about things irrelevant to the thread topic
                You can, and I'm going to call you a homosexual for it.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Okay. Keep crying about people skipping the Kokiri Sword then and doing a much more challenging, much more minimal run than your fake minimalist easy-mode run.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >mindbroken
                wew lad. Time for you to log off.

                >"you can't skip the kokiri sword that's a glitch!"
                >"okay you can skip it but don't talk about it in this thread!"
                >"okay you can talk about it in this thread but i'll be sad and say naughty no-no words at you!"

                Bro, calm down.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Multiple anons are making fun of you and they aren't going to stop so get used to it.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he's been melting down all thread, and I'd like to know why really.
                poor social skills

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well okay yeah autism does explain it.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's weird to think that you've been samegayging and shitting up the thread for nearly an hour now just because I said your "1080ww" run was gay and that I don't like using glitches. You really need to stop acting like this.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Take your meds, schizo. My first post in this thread was

                You can skip the Kokiri Sword.

                .

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Welcome to Nintendo threads on /vr/. Enjoy your schizophrenia

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >stalking so called schizos
                Ummm anon I hate to break it to you...

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I genuinely want to know this as well. I joined the thread and said you could skip the Kokiri Sword because it makes the challenge more challenging, whether it's a glitch or not, and I get some anon sperging out.
                Scrolling up he's been melting down all thread, and I'd like to know why really.

                Obvlivious, no. This is a game you play . I don't believe you can be so stupid and naive while also using manipulation tactics. I could say, something like "did you even read the op" but it holds no bearing on the illogical(you). I just hope you guys know you're fricking insane.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're getting mad at anons for not picking up the Kokiri Sword. Not just in this thread but in other threads as well.

                [...]

                Calm down, spaz.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >anons
                *one samegayging weirdo who can't even follow the topic of the thread

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who's samegayging?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not even the same anon. Id tell you to follow the post, but you've been completely disingenuous the whole time. I dont expect an honest conversation from you.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                He's mad that I didn't want to be reddit buddies with him. He knows exactly what he's doing and he said that shit about kokiri sword to throw a monkey wrench into the thread. He's just angry because he thought I was some scrub trying his first weird run of the game and then I BTFO'd him with knowledge he didn't have and his anus hasn't recovered yet.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >mindbroken
                wew lad. Time for you to log off.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're moronic.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >minimalist run WITHOUT glitches
      Feels like nobody even read the OP.

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"you can't skip the kokiri sword that's a glitch!"
    >"okay you can skip it but don't talk about it in this thread!"
    >"okay you can talk about it in this thread but i'll be sad and say naughty no-no words at you!"

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, this could've been an interesting thread, but surprise surprise, OP is a spergtastic homosexual who cannot handle discussion veering ever so slightly off the super specific parameters set by himself, and even admits to being obsessed. Not any of the anons you're throwing a shitfit at btw, just want to dogpile because frick you.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I welcome you to the dogpile.

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >obese, bisexual man throws a hissy fit and replies to himself for an hour because somebody said glitching is moronic
    I don't know what else to say dude. This was just some really weird, embarrassing behavior. If you want to continue acting like a hysterical woman then I can't stop you, but I'm afraid we're going to continue the thread now.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just skip the Kokiri Sword and do a true minimalist run instead of a sissified easy mode "minimalist" run.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you answer my post about using Din's in Goron city to skip keaton's mask?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        You don't need the Keaton Mask at all, it's just part of the mask trading sequence, which is totally optional.

  18. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Nintendrones drink too much oot-aid the thread
    This thread is fricking ridiculous, kek. What a dumpster fire

  19. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm gonna go smoke a cig and play Warcraft 3 for a bit. Peace dude.
    Well that was a lie.

  20. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tangentially related but are there any dungeons other than water temple where you can skip keys without glitches? I feel like it might be possible in forest if you have the longshot first, or maybe fire by fricking around with farore or warps, but water is the only one I know has legit key skips for sure

  21. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    You'll drink the red potion.
    Oh, yes, you'll drink it.
    You'll also get the bottle from Kakariko before ever seeing Zelda.
    You'll even use Farore's Wind to skip keys.
    You'll leave dungeons early after taking the dungeon item, and go beat other dungeons first.
    You'll set a warp point in one dungeon, and warp back to it from a different dungeon.
    You'll beat dungeons in the order you want, not the order uhhh """Navi""" tells you to.
    You'll memorize the Haunted Wasteland without the Lens of Truth.
    You'll experience the ultimate Hyrulean Adventure.
    ... And get this:
    You'll be happy.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You'll leave dungeons early after taking the dungeon item, and go beat other dungeons first
      Once adult the only dungeon you absolutely have to finish before another is Forest for Spirit right? (Since you can't got back in time before finishing Forest)

  22. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    necessary items (glitchless) are:
    kokiri sword, master sword
    deku shield, mirror shield
    kokiri tunic
    all 3 boots
    sticks, slingshot, boomerang,
    ocarina of time
    bombs, hammer
    bow, light arrows, (dins fire or fire arrows)
    bottle 1,
    zelda's letter

    upgrades:
    bullet bag 30, bomb bag 20, quiver 30, gold gauntlets, magic

    songs:
    lullaby, sarias, time
    all warp songs

    there are too many items for this to be interesting. its the intended route except you skip hearts and farores

  23. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    you technically need the lens of truth to beat BongoBongo and Shadow temple. You ""could"" bruteforce it without it but then you'd have ask yourself how hardcore do you want to be about this challenge run. Stuff like LoT that's on the beaten path shouldn't be considered optional imo since the game is literally putting it in your way and telling you to use it.

  24. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do you specifically need the Hylian Shield for? You need the Mirror Shield for Twinrova.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh no wait my bad, you're saying you DON'T need that

  25. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >allow cheats
    >skips to end with nothing
    Do I win?

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