Better shooting, exploration, RPG mechanics, moral choices etc than Bioshock 1. Worse story and enemy respawns are way too frequent. Minerva's Den is the peak of the series.
Gets shat on by clueless normalgays because Ken Levine smeared it before launch and they believed he was the reason Bioshock 1 was good.
Minerva's Dens biggest flaw is being just a DLC. But it's really tight for a story and gameplay for the short amount of time you play it. And I could argue it's story works because it's DLC. It could be argued that BS2 weaker story came from it being extended.
Do people actually think that its worse than Infinite? I can't imagine anyone would be that moronic. There's an argument to be had for 1 vs 2 but thats it.
>Infinite is most peoples favorite, anon
Even outside of Ganker I refuse to believe that is still the case beyond the most vocal SJW types (aka people that don't play games)
Anyone who cares about Bioshock has probably seen the "wait a minute that card" video and normal, well adjusted people just find Infinite boring and inferior to 1 and 2.
I never finished infinite. I got bored super quick and didn’t gaf about the setting or the story up to wherever I got. I just remember being disappointed in general. Nothing grabbed my attention.
I kind of liked Colombia. It being as bright and colorful was a nice contrast to how dim and dingy Rapture was. But whatever im-sim elements that Bioshock barely had were now completely axed and Infinite just felt like sky-CoD. Not to mention that the story clearly needed far more focus.
keeps crashing on Steam
already played the shit out of it on 360, so whatever
maybe this is just my nostalgia speaking, but the online was fricking incredible
Gameplay-wise it's far better than Bioshock 1, less janky too but the story kinda sucks, cool environments though. It's just more of the same which is by no means a bad thing
Still have to play it. I see many say its basically Bioshock 1 with a new story and improved combat from the first. So exactly what a good sequel should do.
I’m sick of the meme that it’s better than Bioshock 1. It has vastly worse gameplay, even with the dual wielding plasmids. Wave based defense combat is simply moronic in a game like this. Hacking feels cheap, the research camera is game ruining distracting, it’s piss easy, doesn’t have a survivor difficulty, and god the story is humiliating. Just like every 2007-2010 video game ever made you’re constantly forced to watch a mystical mystery woman interrupt your gameplay while she begs for your help. Halo 3 and Borderlands both did this same moronic shit basically the same month.
But it is better gameplay wise. You telling me you like akwardly swapping between plasmid and weapons? Or the pipe hacking minigame that grinds things to a halt?
>You telling me you like akwardly swapping between plasmid and weapons?
I definitely prefer the dual wielding but the enemy layout, level design, and core gameplay does a lot to hamper the combat. It never feels like you need anything other than the rivet gun and a turret to win the entire game. It just is balanced in a particular way.
I’m sick of the meme that it’s better than Bioshock 1. It has vastly worse gameplay, even with the dual wielding plasmids. Wave based defense combat is simply moronic in a game like this. Hacking feels cheap, the research camera is game ruining distracting, it’s piss easy, doesn’t have a survivor difficulty, and god the story is humiliating. Just like every 2007-2010 video game ever made you’re constantly forced to watch a mystical mystery woman interrupt your gameplay while she begs for your help. Halo 3 and Borderlands both did this same moronic shit basically the same month.
>It never feels like you need anything other than the rivet gun and a turret to win the entire game >like you need anything
NTA but I never found either Bioshock, even on their hardest difficulties, to be hard enough to not just allow you to do whatever the frick you wanted and use whatever loadout you wanted unless purposefully doing something stupid like no plasmid+wrench only etc.
Yes, as funny as it sounds, that’s one of the most carefully balanced mini games ever made. Almost impossible to hack safes in the beginning on the hardest mode unless you get lucky or move fast as frick. There’s like 32 tonic combinations that you can choose from to make it easier, and they all are balanced fantastically with your other plasmids and tonics. You have to really pick and choose if you want a bonus from hacking safes or if you want an extra plasmid slot or two. In Bioshock 2 you just press the button on the blue space and get a free bonus, and that’s it. I really don’t like it all.
It is objectively better. Not only the dual wielding aspect, but also hacking on the go allows for far more dynamic/interesting encounters. And most of all - not tedious.
Admittedly the antagonist is not as good, but the story itself feels more personal and hilariously is what Bioshock Infinite tried to do and failed. >Wave based defense combat is simply moronic
Ironic because the last part of Bioshock actually forces you to do little sister defense with far shittier combat options. And you cant skip it unlike you can in B2.
I played 1 first and find 2 to still be the better game. BS1 being better would come from the worldbuilding and horror elements that BS2 lacked. In terms of being a game BS2 is better imo. I also think that at least BS2 doesn't blow it's load near the end like BS1 does. Post-fontaine BS1 bogs the game down.
Best bioshock.
Good gameplay and less suffocating than bioshock 1.
The book complements a lot with the story of bioshock 2 more than any other and makes it 100 times better (Read the book). And the little ARG before it came out was fun.
If only it could stop crashing...
I think I remember getting the crashing to stop by turning off autosaving. Think I had to go into the game files to do that. Problem is that autosaving turns back on every time you move to a new level, so I had to keep doing it every once in a while.
I never hear anyone talk about these games anymore except to make fun of the journalists who jerked off to Infinite. I never played them, but I remember them being incredibly popular.
Were they that forgettable?
People talk about Bioshock all the time. Maybe not to the degree that you would define as "relevant", but for a game that came out almost 20 years ago, I'd say it's holding strong.
>were they that forgettable
Bioshock 2 came out 14 years ago, never received a direct follow up and both it and 1 are linear, story focused, singleplayer games.
What do you expect people to be talking about that goes beyond the over 100,000 Bioshock references made on this board in the past 10 years?
linear storyfocused games like Half Life and Deus Ex still get talked about though. Hell there's more System Shock thread that pop up on Ganker usually.
>linear storyfocused games like Half Life and Deus Ex still get talked about though
as does Bioshock so I'm not sure what your point is. >Hell there's more System Shock thread that pop up on Ganker usually.
System Shock had a remake released just a year ago.
You sound uneducated.
This game is pure SOUL.
Nobody here remembers it but the pre-launch campaign for it (somethinginthesea.com) was one of the coolest marketing campaigns I have ever seen. Loads of background lore, backstory of Mark Meltzer, website with story progression phases, puzzles that lead to new clues and so on.
And those who solved the puzzles were lead to coordinates of real world beaches where on a specific date you could find Rapture wine bottles with other stuff inside them. That is how you do marketing.
>Nobody here remembers it
I remember it and thought it was insanely based that Mark Metzer had audio logs in game following up on him finding his way to Rapture to rescue his daughter, he does end up finding her, and you actually fight Mark Metzer who willingly became a big daddy after confronting Lamb and choosing to be with his daughter forever who is one of the little sisters you can either rescue or harvest
Both it and the original are good for different reasons. The original is good for a more survival-focused experience, since you're one normal dude piecing your way through the horrors. They wisely knew there was no point trying to one-up themselves, so they made the sequel to give the player the experience of playing as a Big Daddy and it succeeded greatly in that aspect. Minerva's Den specifically is the best of both worlds and the pinnacle of the franchise.
Playing the first game for the first time and about to get to the final boss, gonna start 2 this weekend. It’s really fricking good but it stagnates a bit after killing Andrew Ryan . Excited by the prospect of playing as a Big Daddy in 2. Also this audio diary was so kino https://youtu.be/WUeBKC-1oaY?si=X3f6T2XTwVpdiD7L
If you're expecting a better story you might be slightly disappointed. No plot beat reaches the high of "Would you kindly" The upside is that BS2 is far bettsr in terms of mechanics and Sinclair is a bro.
best in the series, but I understand how the story gets on peoples' nerves. The story of B1 had novelty and a lot more grandeur, so pivoting to a more toned down and intimate story that mostly focused on sofia, eleanor and (you) definitely feels like you're ignoring lord gwyn and the chosen undead and instead you're looking at the colony of ants fighting at their feet.
Also this game's opening is the sole reason I couldn't care less when joel's daughter died in the last of us intro. Forced suicide is supremely fricked, nothing else hits like it
>Bioshock 1: Incinerate
Felt like it was nerfed in Bioshock 2
>Bioshock 2: Insect Swarm and Cyclone Trap
Both got big buffs in Bioshock 2 especially Insect Swarm
>Bioshock Infinite: Bucking Bronco and Murder of Crows
Bucking let's use it alot before getting more and good for fodder enemies, Murder of Crows is Infinites Insect Swarm from Bioshock 2
The remasters used to be buggy as frick on PC. Not sure if they've updated them or not. Outside of that they're hardly much different. There's some nice additions like an FOV slider. If you have a console then the Remasters are solid.
I've played the remasters recently on Xbox and they work well, but I had to disconnect them from the internet because the first one at least will constantly try to ping their server to connect to your account. Signing up to an account doesn't fix it and there's no reason to sign up. You get nothing, they just harvest data. It causes absolutely atrocious lag if you dont refuse them an intetnet connection.
I got burned out trying to play the trilogy (I played 1 > I > 2 to try and mix it up) so get a bit tired of playing 2, but it's by far and away the best. I'd recommend only playing that honestly. I liked the story in 1 when I was younger but it doesn't land now that I'm more experienced
Better shooting, exploration, RPG mechanics, moral choices etc than Bioshock 1. Worse story and enemy respawns are way too frequent. Minerva's Den is the peak of the series.
Gets shat on by clueless normalgays because Ken Levine smeared it before launch and they believed he was the reason Bioshock 1 was good.
>Minerva's Den is the peak of the series
I wonder who started this completely false meme
Minerva's Dens biggest flaw is being just a DLC. But it's really tight for a story and gameplay for the short amount of time you play it. And I could argue it's story works because it's DLC. It could be argued that BS2 weaker story came from it being extended.
>Minerva's Den is the peak of the series
How? You play a black guy. It's woke af dude
>playing as a black guy = woke
This is your brain on /misc/
It was written by the same dude who wrote Gone Home
>Levine
Liking little sisters is wrong. Don't touch the little sisters. STAND 10 FEET BACK PEDO!
Best game in the series.
It's eaaily the best Bioshock game. People saying it haa a worst story have shit taste.
Do people actually think that its worse than Infinite? I can't imagine anyone would be that moronic. There's an argument to be had for 1 vs 2 but thats it.
Infinite is most peoples favorite, anon. And Bioshock 2 is the known "black sheep" of the series.
Maybe on normalgay sites. Ganker threads nearly universally consider 2 the best and shit on Infinite.
>Infinite is most peoples favorite
>Infinite is most peoples favorite, anon
Even outside of Ganker I refuse to believe that is still the case beyond the most vocal SJW types (aka people that don't play games)
Anyone who cares about Bioshock has probably seen the "wait a minute that card" video and normal, well adjusted people just find Infinite boring and inferior to 1 and 2.
I never finished infinite. I got bored super quick and didn’t gaf about the setting or the story up to wherever I got. I just remember being disappointed in general. Nothing grabbed my attention.
I kind of liked Colombia. It being as bright and colorful was a nice contrast to how dim and dingy Rapture was. But whatever im-sim elements that Bioshock barely had were now completely axed and Infinite just felt like sky-CoD. Not to mention that the story clearly needed far more focus.
Best of the BioShock games
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It filtered millions, one of the best ending in vidya history and I cried like b***h
;_;
keeps crashing on Steam
already played the shit out of it on 360, so whatever
maybe this is just my nostalgia speaking, but the online was fricking incredible
The best one. Minervas Dens ending still makes me weepy.
Gameplay-wise it's far better than Bioshock 1, less janky too but the story kinda sucks, cool environments though. It's just more of the same which is by no means a bad thing
Need little sister!
also best game, makes Levine seethe
whole franchise is shit
its alright, i enjoy the big daddy fights, the big sister fights are trap spam earrape though
Still have to play it. I see many say its basically Bioshock 1 with a new story and improved combat from the first. So exactly what a good sequel should do.
I’m sick of the meme that it’s better than Bioshock 1. It has vastly worse gameplay, even with the dual wielding plasmids. Wave based defense combat is simply moronic in a game like this. Hacking feels cheap, the research camera is game ruining distracting, it’s piss easy, doesn’t have a survivor difficulty, and god the story is humiliating. Just like every 2007-2010 video game ever made you’re constantly forced to watch a mystical mystery woman interrupt your gameplay while she begs for your help. Halo 3 and Borderlands both did this same moronic shit basically the same month.
But it is better gameplay wise. You telling me you like akwardly swapping between plasmid and weapons? Or the pipe hacking minigame that grinds things to a halt?
>You telling me you like akwardly swapping between plasmid and weapons?
I definitely prefer the dual wielding but the enemy layout, level design, and core gameplay does a lot to hamper the combat. It never feels like you need anything other than the rivet gun and a turret to win the entire game. It just is balanced in a particular way.
>It never feels like you need anything other than the rivet gun and a turret to win the entire game
>like you need anything
NTA but I never found either Bioshock, even on their hardest difficulties, to be hard enough to not just allow you to do whatever the frick you wanted and use whatever loadout you wanted unless purposefully doing something stupid like no plasmid+wrench only etc.
>Hacking feels cheap
Cheaper than an iPad turn the pipes game?
Yes, as funny as it sounds, that’s one of the most carefully balanced mini games ever made. Almost impossible to hack safes in the beginning on the hardest mode unless you get lucky or move fast as frick. There’s like 32 tonic combinations that you can choose from to make it easier, and they all are balanced fantastically with your other plasmids and tonics. You have to really pick and choose if you want a bonus from hacking safes or if you want an extra plasmid slot or two. In Bioshock 2 you just press the button on the blue space and get a free bonus, and that’s it. I really don’t like it all.
It is objectively better. Not only the dual wielding aspect, but also hacking on the go allows for far more dynamic/interesting encounters. And most of all - not tedious.
Admittedly the antagonist is not as good, but the story itself feels more personal and hilariously is what Bioshock Infinite tried to do and failed.
>Wave based defense combat is simply moronic
Ironic because the last part of Bioshock actually forces you to do little sister defense with far shittier combat options. And you cant skip it unlike you can in B2.
A must play
Best game, thankfully forgotten.
I didn't like being a monster. I think I finished it but I've never felt like replaying it.
everyone that says this is the best one of the series is a contrarian or played 2 before 1
I played 1 first and find 2 to still be the better game. BS1 being better would come from the worldbuilding and horror elements that BS2 lacked. In terms of being a game BS2 is better imo. I also think that at least BS2 doesn't blow it's load near the end like BS1 does. Post-fontaine BS1 bogs the game down.
homosexual I played 1 and Infinite before 2. 2 is the best.
We were far too harsh on this game when it came out. It's the best of the 3 Bioshocks in all aspects
Best bioshock.
Good gameplay and less suffocating than bioshock 1.
The book complements a lot with the story of bioshock 2 more than any other and makes it 100 times better (Read the book). And the little ARG before it came out was fun.
If only it could stop crashing...
I think I remember getting the crashing to stop by turning off autosaving. Think I had to go into the game files to do that. Problem is that autosaving turns back on every time you move to a new level, so I had to keep doing it every once in a while.
I never hear anyone talk about these games anymore except to make fun of the journalists who jerked off to Infinite. I never played them, but I remember them being incredibly popular.
Were they that forgettable?
People talk about Bioshock all the time. Maybe not to the degree that you would define as "relevant", but for a game that came out almost 20 years ago, I'd say it's holding strong.
>were they that forgettable
Bioshock 2 came out 14 years ago, never received a direct follow up and both it and 1 are linear, story focused, singleplayer games.
What do you expect people to be talking about that goes beyond the over 100,000 Bioshock references made on this board in the past 10 years?
linear storyfocused games like Half Life and Deus Ex still get talked about though. Hell there's more System Shock thread that pop up on Ganker usually.
>linear storyfocused games like Half Life and Deus Ex still get talked about though
as does Bioshock so I'm not sure what your point is.
>Hell there's more System Shock thread that pop up on Ganker usually.
System Shock had a remake released just a year ago.
You sound uneducated.
How many single player games are still talked about 15 years later? Hell most people grow out of vidya games.
Its probably the better game objectively, but 1 had way more soul. Playing as a big daddy was a kino idea though
This game is pure SOUL.
Nobody here remembers it but the pre-launch campaign for it (somethinginthesea.com) was one of the coolest marketing campaigns I have ever seen. Loads of background lore, backstory of Mark Meltzer, website with story progression phases, puzzles that lead to new clues and so on.
And those who solved the puzzles were lead to coordinates of real world beaches where on a specific date you could find Rapture wine bottles with other stuff inside them. That is how you do marketing.
>Nobody here remembers it
I remember it and thought it was insanely based that Mark Metzer had audio logs in game following up on him finding his way to Rapture to rescue his daughter, he does end up finding her, and you actually fight Mark Metzer who willingly became a big daddy after confronting Lamb and choosing to be with his daughter forever who is one of the little sisters you can either rescue or harvest
Tiny daughters are big cute.
Both it and the original are good for different reasons. The original is good for a more survival-focused experience, since you're one normal dude piecing your way through the horrors. They wisely knew there was no point trying to one-up themselves, so they made the sequel to give the player the experience of playing as a Big Daddy and it succeeded greatly in that aspect. Minerva's Den specifically is the best of both worlds and the pinnacle of the franchise.
Playing the first game for the first time and about to get to the final boss, gonna start 2 this weekend. It’s really fricking good but it stagnates a bit after killing Andrew Ryan . Excited by the prospect of playing as a Big Daddy in 2. Also this audio diary was so kino https://youtu.be/WUeBKC-1oaY?si=X3f6T2XTwVpdiD7L
If you're expecting a better story you might be slightly disappointed. No plot beat reaches the high of "Would you kindly" The upside is that BS2 is far bettsr in terms of mechanics and Sinclair is a bro.
i didnt feel like i was playing as a big daddy
they just took the shitty escort from 1 and made every little sister into that
Reminder infinite has a bigger legacy than all other bioshock by being the pioneer of videogame 3d porn
I guess? Eleanor is too weird looking and enough of a daughter to want to jack off to. Burial As Sea Elizabeth is instant sex.
That moment in Minerva's Den when Charles realizes he can't bring his wife back the way he wants makes me choke up every time.
>I stand here with the sun on my face... and it's almost like I can see you smiling...
best in the series, but I understand how the story gets on peoples' nerves. The story of B1 had novelty and a lot more grandeur, so pivoting to a more toned down and intimate story that mostly focused on sofia, eleanor and (you) definitely feels like you're ignoring lord gwyn and the chosen undead and instead you're looking at the colony of ants fighting at their feet.
Also this game's opening is the sole reason I couldn't care less when joel's daughter died in the last of us intro. Forced suicide is supremely fricked, nothing else hits like it
Bioshock 1 was around the peak of my life, anyone else? I wasnt a tween not being nostalgic that time period was objectively my life's peak
What are your favorite Plasmids?
Call me a basic b***h but Electro Bolt. It's fun to zap things.
im a basic b***h
luv me lightning
luv me fire
BEEES
Insect Swarm hands down
>Bioshock 1: Incinerate
Felt like it was nerfed in Bioshock 2
>Bioshock 2: Insect Swarm and Cyclone Trap
Both got big buffs in Bioshock 2 especially Insect Swarm
>Bioshock Infinite: Bucking Bronco and Murder of Crows
Bucking let's use it alot before getting more and good for fodder enemies, Murder of Crows is Infinites Insect Swarm from Bioshock 2
>SS2 to Bioshock 1 he goes by Kevin and acts likeable and cool
>Bioshock Infinite he goes by Ken and acts like the most obnoxious butthole possible
I want Kevin back
People really overrate the story of the first game just because it had a twist.
Nah, Bioshocks story is more interesting because the core Rapture characters are on display. BS2s characters feel like the B-side.
Yeah that's how I felt. I love the mechanics in 2 a lot more but as an experience 1 was better to me.
better little sisters
Want to replay 1 and 2, should I play remasters or originals? Is there even any difference?
The remasters used to be buggy as frick on PC. Not sure if they've updated them or not. Outside of that they're hardly much different. There's some nice additions like an FOV slider. If you have a console then the Remasters are solid.
PC versions are fine, I played them last year.
I've played the remasters recently on Xbox and they work well, but I had to disconnect them from the internet because the first one at least will constantly try to ping their server to connect to your account. Signing up to an account doesn't fix it and there's no reason to sign up. You get nothing, they just harvest data. It causes absolutely atrocious lag if you dont refuse them an intetnet connection.
I got burned out trying to play the trilogy (I played 1 > I > 2 to try and mix it up) so get a bit tired of playing 2, but it's by far and away the best. I'd recommend only playing that honestly. I liked the story in 1 when I was younger but it doesn't land now that I'm more experienced
aged horribly
Reminder that Tenenbaum in BS2 is a cute hag.
It's the best Bioshock.
Great gameplay. Mediocre story.