Out of the Pokémon games that most people usually consider the best (Emerald, Platinum, HGSS, BW2) which game has the fewest flaws, in your opinion? Here's my list of what I consider flaws in these games:
Emerald
>You cannot rematch Steven Stone. Once you defeat him it's over
>There's no improved rematches in the Pokemon League
>No good way to level up your Pokémon
>When the Rooftop Sale happens is completely random
Platinum
>You can't remove those annoying boulders from your Secret Base in single player mode
>Amity Square is cute, but it just feels like a test ground for the following Pokémon feature in HGSS. It makes Platinum feel inferior to HGSS in this regard
HGSS
>There's no room customization, something that GSC introduced
>some locations in Kanto were restored to their full size compared to GSC, but some others like Mt. Moon weren't
BW2
>No Original Dragon
>Route 10 and Challenger's Cave were removed for some reason
>You cannot battle against Hilbert/Hilda (it would've been cool and it would've mirrored the battle vs Red in GSC/HGSS)
>Badge Polishing was removed
>You can only battle N once per season
These are the problems/flaws that I see with these games. What problems do you have with these 4 games? Which ones has the fewest flaws in your opinion?
Either Emerald or HGSS. Leaning towards Emerald. BW2 is just ok (it's worse than XY) and Platinum is flat out shit and the only reason it gets praise at all is the zoomer epidemic.
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Hello no argument. Still waiting for you to explain how I can plant berries in BW2, by the way.
>BW2 is just ok (it's worse than XY)
I disagree, but to each their own
>Platinum is flat out shit
Once again I disagree. I think Emerald, Platinum, HGSS and BW2 are the best games. USUM is pretty good too but probably slightly less.
Please name a single reason I should play Platinum over Emerald or BW2 over XY.
>Please name a single reason I should play Platinum over Emerald or BW2 over XY.
Sinnoh is bigger and better than Hoenn. The music is also better.
BW2 has amazing features like the PWT that XY doesn't have. Also Kalos has the worst OST in the series by far.
>Also Kalos has the worst OST in the series by far.
nah, that's hoenn. the cheap soundchip makes everything sound like shit
> Sinnoh is bigger and better than Hoenn
34 > 30
>BW2 has amazing features like [Battle Maison but piss easy]
zzz
>zzz
Will never get made, Kalos cuck.
Perfect games dont need third versions.
this might be the saddest cope I’ve read on this shit board, and that’s saying something
>Battle Maison but piss easy
The battle maison being the easiest facility in the series due to the fact that it has no level scaling.
The PWT being the easiest facility in the series due to the fact that it has no streaks.
>easiest facility in the series due to the fact that it has no level scaling
Same with the Black person tree hollow tower. What is this homosexual talking about
>Same with the Black person tree hollow tower.
White tree hollow isn't a battle facility. It's just postgame content.
The battle maison is an issue because without level scaling it can be demolished by a FEAR Aron.
>b-but ARON!!!
You’re still on with this cope?
How is it an issue when you can simply not use Aron? Or are you saying Aron is your favorite Pokemon ever and you always use level 1 one with the FEAR set?
Why wouldn't you use a strategy that works, and trivializes the facility?
People complain (incorrectly) about the "optimal" team for Emerald BF too, so this is no different.
Sounds like the issue is (You) and not the game.
Until something uses a multi-hit move. Gimmicks can only take you so far in battle facilities, you need a solid strategy if you want to actually get a good record.
>Until something uses a multi-hit move
Which, let's be honest, won't be until you've completed it
>bigger
yes
>better
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no
cope
BW2>Platinum>HGSS>Emerald
You are really so pathetic dude. On here everyday spamming the same shitty baits
>(it's worse than XY) and Platinum is flat out shit
Ahahahahahahaha. Oh you're serious. Bahahahahahahahah.
hoenngays trying to latch onto the DS era again
stop posting boxart bait threads you disingenuous homosexual
Frick off
you frick off, freak. you are shitting up the board daily with your repetitive garbage threads.
Cope
commit rope
No. Seethe more.
HGSS > Platinum > Emerald > BW2
HGSS has the most content. Gameplay is pretty good. TMs are locked behind Voltorb Flip which sucks a bit. Nothing really wrong with HGSS.
I like some aspects of Platinum's gameplay more than HGSS. TMs are easy to grind for. Out of these 4 games I'd say Platinum has the best grinding due to the VS Seeker. I have to put it beneath HGSS due to saving lots of data though.
Emerald is a bit mediocre, I don't really like Hoenn much at all. Hoenn's battles are ok but I don't care for the characters or pokemon personally. The Battle Frontier is fantastic though and it's the only reason I would ever pick back up a Hoenn game, but if FRLG was designed like HGSS and they put the Battle Frontier in Kanto I honestly would not play through Hoenn again.
BW2 is just fine. I don't think its facilities are as good as the Frontier and I don't think the maingame is as strong as Plat's or HGSS's.
>locked certain pokemon, the fishing rod, fossils, and the daycare in postgame
BW2 is the worst game ever
Emerald > HGSS >>> BW2 >> Platinum
HGSS are simultaneously the games I would pick if I was stuck playing only 1 pokemon game for the rest of time because of how much content they have, but they're also the games I hate replaying because they're honestly pretty boring
pt>bw2>emerald>>hgss
They're all great though.
Gen 2 and its remakes.
I like all four games a lot, and romhacks make Emerald better. Hoping Platinum gets a good mod that's not just "EVERYTHING IS IN THE GAME" someday. Same for HGSS and BW1/2.
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9>4>2>1>5>3>7>>6>>>8
Definitely black and white 2 a lot of the issues it has aren't really issues that impact the gameplay but are more personal gripes. Not to mention a lot of the features that had their main gimmick be related to either online or communication in general had alternatives.
Platinum and HGSS are marred by the general issues of gen 4 despite the improvements made after platinum like the slow HP bar for instance and they didn't have those previously mentioned alternatives, to this day I personally haven't caught spiritomb in gen 4 without firing up my my copy of DP and doing it myself.
Emerald has a similar general gen issue with the battery running out which makes it hard to obtain daily event related things and berries.
>Badge Polishing was removed
Literally unplayable
>HGSS
They add some additional roadblocks. Route 44 is blocked off until you finish the Radio Tower shit, as opposed to after beating 7 Gyms for example.
I also don't like changes like Blaine's Gym not being a shitty cave, which reflects how it's a temporary relocation after the Cinnabar eruption.
Mt. Silver needing HMs to reach Red and the Hail (unless you pick specific days) feels bad. It's the final boss, it shouldn't have limitations or gimmicks if you ask me.
These are all minor issues, mind, definitely not something that ruins the game.
>Emerald
>Pre-split
>3 Water HMs
>West Hoenn is claustrophobic and the East is covered in water, Route 119-121 striking the perfect balance
>Actually training Pokémon for Battle Frontier is terrible, because there’s no way to manage your stats like later games
I do not care for this
I consider emerald to be an actual dogshit game, but not the others. gen 3 is the most overrated pile of shit in every single way that even as a child I was severely disappointed in.
ten whole hours of fricking tedious gameplay followed by zero postgame until they added a few buildings as a secondgame fullprice dlc that makes you repeat the same tedious ten hours to access. just isn't a fun pokemon game and is incredibly short.
You missed a couple maps for Emerald Hoenn. It's unfortunate that Emerald could only do so much with what little RS did, but aside from the obvious B2W2 it probably tried the most of any third version. For example, Platinum's changes were mostly graphical overhauls to their existing postgame, and the original GameBoyt titles basically didn't try. Even afterwards XY didn't get their Mega versions, and USUM probably tried the hardest after that. I also wouldn't really count DLC as third versions because let's be honest they could have launched as stand-alone titles and almost nothing about the games they're a part of would really change. If we're talking new postgame content in third versions, it would be B2W2>USUM>Emerald>Platinum>Crystal=Yellow>Blue>>>>MXMY. Compare that to first version's post-game content, which is probably something more like GS>BW=DP>SM>XY>>RS>>>RG.
>emeraldgays have to drag around a maze of goalposts and pilpul to make an argument for their shitty game
as opposed to BW2gays and Platinumgays, neither of which have made an argument for their games being good this entire thread so far?
they probably feel more secure than you do
hi yawnie
such squabbles are beneath us
No? My favorites are HGSS and B2W2, personally. Emerald is solid though, and covers some areas the other two don't. Platinum I simply do not like, HGSS is just better.
>but aside from the obvious B2W2 it probably tried the most of any third version.
hoenngays are delusional
Platinum is the best imo.
Completely invalid points of comparison.
Where's Rusturf Tunnel?
Why are we comparing early game Sinnoh caves to shit like the late-game Abandoned Ship?
he also leaves out shit like riolu while giving emerald huntail lol. he's a moronic spammer
oh nevermind, he actually updated his shit baits
I suppose BW2 is the one with the best performance and least glitches and exploits, so that would be the one with the fewest flaws.
As far as enjoyment go, HGSS is easily the coziest game from start to finish. Emerald's early and late game suck, Platinum kinda drags in the mid game and BW2's best features are in the post game.
HGSS's only issue is that it is kinda unsuited for challenge runs since the level curve and gen 4 mechanics make it kinda hard to play "optimally" but it is definitely the most fun to play casually.
i think its more that gen 3 is really good until you get surf, and i dont mean because DURRR WATOR BAD, i actually like the sea routes map design, it just is that the right side of mainland hoenn is extremely uninteresting, and the game is like 5 seconds away from the ending once you reach the sea routes
The early game is also kinda boring, with a lot of underwhelming pokemon and not a lot of interesting things to do or trainers to fight, relative to where you are in the game of course. The game only starts to pick up after you deliver the letter.
There are interesting areas to explore after you get surf. The rain routes around the weather institute and the graveyard mountain are a ton of fun to explore. It is only around when you reach the safari zone that the game becomes monotonous again, with a lot of underwhelming pokemon and not a lot of interesting things to do or trainers to fight once again besides the twins and the league.
I don't. The rewards are kinda shit in all versions of the underground, I just love playing the mining minigame.
>The rain routes around the weather institute are a ton of fun to explore
a few scattered items to pick up lol
>it's only exploring if there's loot
Soulless zoomer
without the items it's just looking at rearranged versions of sprites you've already seen, and areas you've already seen but been unable to stand on until you got surf.
>it's just looking
Local moron learns what exploring is.
big difference between going back to stand on a few little patches of grass and having massive regions of fresh postgame content to explore. RSE is an embarrassment.
Actually no, those areas have unique tiles and sprites that appear nowhere else in the game.
yeah?? point them out, homosexual
>Go on a walk through a forest
> “Wtf? The trees just sit there and don’t do anything? That’s lame as shit!”
Being you is suffering
There is a world of difference between going on a hike and backtracking in emerald to stand on a few tiles instead of enjoying a nonexistent postgame
like just for some comparison, in RBY, DPP, and BW you get entire optional fricking DUNGEONS to explore after you get surf.
>RSE have no optional dungeons only accessible after getting surf
play the games
oh yes, there's the boat I forgot, at least the game wasn't entirely a soulless husk then.
You forgot more, but I'd feel bad if I kept insulting a disabled person so I'll just say goodbye now.
you're just too embarrassed to admit you were thinking of little holes in the wall
Never understood the Emerald hype. All it has going for it is the Battle Frontier, while good, Platinum does better
> Platinum does better
where
>Where
It's on Battle Zone island
What on Battle Zone Island does Platinum do better than Emerald
You can use Garchomp.
Well Emerald has the Battle Frontier, Trainer Hill, Secret Bases, Contests, etc
I don't think Platinum is better than Emerald content wise. But what probably makes Platinum better than Emerald for me is the region itself. Sinnoh is better than Hoenn. I used to be a big Hoenn fan for years but honestly I got tired of all the water at some point.
the people nostalgic for hoenn have been around long enough to dictate the community's unspoken assumptions but haven't yet aged out of the fandom entirely. if you go into a discussion board and everyone is saying that emerald is good, even if you're indifferent about it, you're gonna start seeing emerald as a good game.
it's the same position HGSS were in a few years ago, before johtogays got mindbroken by youtubers.
Bruh the fact that Gen 3 doesn’t have the split automatically makes them inferior games. Gens 4 and 5 perfect the formula. The only reason someone prefers gen 3 is because they either have shit taste or it’s nostalgia wanking
>the fact that dragon type isn’t moronicly broken automatically makes emerald an inferior game
I don’t follow
zoom zoom
My main problem with Emerald, Platinum and HGSS is that the Battle Frontiers in those games don't have a Super Line like the Battle Subway in BW2. Which means that most of the time in Emerald/Platinum/HGSS you're facing shitty NFE Pokémon. If I remember correctly you need to defeat 3 sets of 7 trainers (so 21 trainers) before you start facing trainers with fully evolved Pokémon. And you have to repeat that every time you lose and your streak is interrupted. I think that really sucks and it basically defeats the whole purpose of the Battle Frontier. I think that's the "Elephant in the room" that most people don't talk about. And BW2 doesn't have this problem. In BW2's Battle facilities you're always facing tough Pokémon, so it's always interesting. This is true for both the Battle Subway and PWT.
So that's what makes BW2 better imo.
This. Except XY also has Super Triples and Rotations while BW2 doesn’t. Which is why XY is a better game than BW2.
Lmso
>Except XY also has Super Triples and Rotations while BW2 doesn’t. Which is why XY is a better game than BW2.
BW2 has Triple battles and Rotation battles in the PWT instead. Same thing.
And no, XY is not better than BW2.
>Same thing
There’s no streaks. It’s not even close to the same thing.
And yes, XY indeed better than BW2.
Streaks are cool, but it's not the only way of having tough battles in the games. The PWT tournament setting is a fantastic alternative to that.
If BW2 only had the PWT and no Battle Subway with streaks, I would have agreed with you maybe. But that's not the case. Because BW2 has both.
> but it's not the only way of having tough battles in the games
It actually is. Streaks are literally the only thing that makes battle facilities difficult if you have an IQ above that of a toddler.
It's not just about "difficulty" tho. PWT is really fun to play and replay, and it can be challenging too on top of that.
> PWT is really fun to play and replay,
The Maison is more fun to play and replay because it’s actually challenging.
>PWT is really fun to play and replay
no it isn't you see old gym leader, btfo their shitty monotype team, then drool over red showing up. the point in replaying is to build up streaks
>i never played the PWT
we know
you're forced to play a tutorial for it
>He doesn't like the PWT
Shit taste, bro
he's really riled up huh
just waiting for him to post "gen56.jpg" lol
If you’re gay you prefer gen 3
If you’re bi you prefer gen 4
And if you’re straight you prefer gen 5
Bi > Straight > Gay
Makes sense
Based. I’m gay and gen 3 is my favorite so this checks out
i'm bi and i prefer gen 5. but gen 4 is good too.
>gen 5 is bad because white people le bad
says a lot about the kind of person who hates unova
>white people le bad
there's 0 white people in muttnova. only muttoids and nogs
>you’re straight you prefer gen 5
>straight
>playing a male character in any video game
closet energy at best
who's more likely to be straight: the guy that wants to look at a little shouta for 20-40 hours, or a guy that wants to look at dawndicky?
Nintendo also said Missingno would destroy your save file. They just want all the girls for themselves.
HGSS > Pla > emerald > BW2
Can you build a pokemon alola (pokemon sun) team for me?
>I hate the fairy type
>only anti-fairy type pokemon
>only pokemon effective against the fairy type
>only pokemon resistant to fairy type
>starter resistant to fairy type
>i hate mimikyu
>i hate primarina
I forgot how fricking good emerald was. For me, it's HGSS, BW2 and Emerald. Sinnoh didn't have a good game till PLA.
>Wallace is a literal flaming homosexual
>Wally is a timid shy in the closet homosexual
>both have green hair
Omg. Bros
I see you finally added Riolu, no Dusknoir for Turnback though despite having Huntail and Gorebyss on the Emerald side. Still has dumb little quirks like pointing out Mawile's appearance in Victory Road while saying nothing of Nosepass in Coronet or Rhydon in Victory Road. Nothing about grinding options, teambuilding QoL, battles, or even grass encounters. Emerald just has less depth when you look at the whole picture. There's no equivalent to the Underground, the move tutor is postgame, shittier wild items held by pokemon, Nincada can't even thief while gen 4 Yanma can and it's a fast way to get a Lucky Egg. Emerald's Lucky Egg? Available only in FRLG. Every time I see this image I can't help but think Emerald is a shallow game.
>Emerald just has less depth
That's practically just a repetition of your first image and addresses nothing that I said. Shallow game.
>it doesn’t address these vague points I made with zero references to back them up
oh no
>vague
lol?
Where's the Lucky Egg in Emerald? How do I get multiple Moon Stones in Emerald?
Where’s the Battle Pyramid in Platinum? How do I get multiple Giga Drain TMs in Platinum?
Not present and you can't. Now you explain how Platinum suffers from lacking a battle facility and more copies of a TM while Emerald doesn't suffer from far slower grinding and being unable to evolve multiple pokemon that needs Moon Stones.
>Now explain how Platinum suffers from lacking depth while me, like the moron I am, is trying to argue it has more depth
>Now explain how Platinum suffers from lacking depth
You think I'm saying Emerald lacks depth purely because it lacks something and not because of the impact that has on the game? You think by my logic the absence of multiple Giga Drains instantly means less depth? No Lucky Egg means slower grinding, slower teambuilding, and slower pokedex completion. No Giga Drain is just less coverage.
good reminder as to how pointlessly tedious gen 3 is
>There's no equivalent to the Underground
fricking good
Yeah who needs fossils and evolution stones and shards and other items all in one place?
its a good idea with absolutely terrible execution i would rather deal with any other games method of getting fossils and the like before even touching the underground
No friends to use it with? lmao
strawman plus nobody has carried around a ds with them unless they are autistic for 14+ years now plus the underground lags even if your playing it singleplayer which is just depressing plus victini
that's not what a strawman argument is. a strawman is a misrepresentation of your own argument, that is then attacked in place of your argument.
that is just what you did, i said nothing about the multiplayer components which arent necessary for anything in the underground except secret bases anyway, which are in emerald already and spiritomb which had no reason to be locked behind that
I'm not him, I'm just explaining what a strawman argument is. asking whether or not you had friends to play it with isn't even an argument in the first place, at best it's a baseless insult, and if presented as an argument an ad hominem, the implication being that you dislike the game because you are misanthropic and did not have friends to enjoy a feature with. that isn't what a strawman argument is. carry on with your childish shitflinging.
So, yes.
Yeah I enjoyed getting the Old Amber in Emerald through..............
I really enjoyed the underground in the DP remakes, but I quit pokemon before the originals came out as a kid so don't know what it was like beforehand.
afaik in bdsp its a completely different thing from the original
jesus christ what a homosexual
They hated him, for he spoke the truth.
The underground was a feature so shit that they had to bribe you with primo items.
mt moon not being restored to its full size is a good thing
have a nice day genwar spamming homosexual.
Yawngay should stick to shilling XY. He always goes full moron when shilling Emerald, and Emerald's a good game that's the worst part, how do you frick up shilling a game most people praise?
people who praise emerald aren't thinking very hard about it. it's a short shitty game compared to every other pokemon game except maybe RBY, but RBY is a lot more fun and open and has OG privilege.
RBY is a better experience even with the jank because the pokemon and mechanics are all designed around how the player interacts with them. they feel more like enemies in a traditional jrpg that happens to let you capture and use the foes you fight.
RSE is all the outdated-ness of RBY with none of the charm.
Emerald
>The stretch of the game from after Lilycove to entering Victory Road is as boring as ever, outside of the Regi side-quest.
>Replaced Steven as the champion for Wallace, meaning there is both a water type gym leader AND champion, while said water type gym leader is the final one (BW2 is sort of like this but at least Iris' team has more than just dragons)
>Somewhat heavy on the HM usage, especially because there's 3 water HMs. At least water types are plentiful so you can have a fillermon handle them
Platinum
>Extremely heavy on the HM requirements, often times having to forgo a pokemon just to have a dedicated hm slave for the endgame
HGSS
>Making the Lugia/Ho-oh subplot required, thus removing the "mystique" legendary pokemon had in gen 1/2 and being more in line with gen 3 onwards.
BW2
>Pokestars Studio forced tutorial kills the pacing as you're just about to leave the island and enter the mainland
>The Three Musketeers just pop out in the overworld with no effort from the player, continuing to make legendary pokemon feel that much less legendary.
>Final gym has 3 pokemon, Elite 4 has 4 pokemon. Makes them feel not what an end-game boss fight should be.
>Making the Lugia/Ho-oh subplot required, thus removing the "mystique" legendary pokemon had in gen 1/2 and being more in line with gen 3 onwards.
On the other hand, their summonings are probably the best looking cutscenes in the whole franchise and the whole ceremony around them makes Ho-oh and Lugia feel majestic and grandiose.
>I LIKE WATCHING DA PRETTY CUTSCENES
zoomer moment
Great topic, but unfortunately the thread respondents failed to engage with it.
OP here. Thanks, and yes, it's a pitty that nobody decided to answer the thread properly, except this guy
don't put moronic fricking mouth breather bait in the first line of your thread if you don't want people responding to it.
emerald is a trash overrated shit game.
Overall, I’d say HGSS has the least issues. It has so much content and value in it that it’s even easier to gloss over the issues it has here and there.
I love Emerald, but it suffers from many general Hoenn/Gen 3 issues as well as a small few of its own
>slightly smaller region and dex than GSC
>failed to expand the Hoenn dex
>no real night/day cycle
>no daily/weekly events
>awful E4 teams for Glacia and Phoebe because of the general lack of Ghost and Ice options in Hoenn
>Wallace is not as good of a Champion as Steven in any way
>given the high difficulty of competitively breeding and training Pokémon in Gen 3, most of the Battle Frontier is not fun to attempt
>Battle Tents are not a good replacement for Contest Halls
>final rival battle still sucks
>water routes don’t have enough Pokémon variety. Half of the map is water, and 99% of the encounters while surfing are Tentacool and Wingull
Platinum is a much better 3rd version overall and offers a lot more improvements over the original games, but DP were also a much worse starting point than RS so it was easy for Platinum to be better. That said, it still has plenty of issues.
>not quite as slow as DP, but it’s still suffering from that engine. Slow saving, slow battles, slow animations, etc.
>regional dex was expanded heavily compared to DP, however it still could’ve been much better as it only becomes slightly better than Emerald at best
>on that note, the mon distribution is weak and repetitive, they could’ve easily included at least 251+ Pokémon instead of the roughly ~210 they ended up with.
>no following Pokémon despite the fact that they easily could have implemented it since it was practiced and teased in DP and ended up in HGSS less than a year later. Makes Platinum automatically seem worse than HGSS.
>Secret Bases still not as good as they were in Emerald
>Honey Trees are fricking trash
>HMs still at their worst ever state
B2W2 is ok. Out of room, not continuing.
>>no following Pokémon despite the fact that they easily could have implemented it since it was practiced and teased in DP and ended up in HGSS less than a year later. Makes Platinum automatically seem worse than HGSS
Yeah that's a problem I have with Platinum too. It just feels like they were intentionally saving following Pokémon for HGSS. And I hate that.
following pokemon is an overrated gimmick
it's cool to look at sure but people talk about it like it makes or breaks the game
I don't really care about following Pokémon per se, I just hate it when GameFreak intentionally save a feature for a later game. It feels like they're prioritizing HGSS over Platinum. And that's what I don't like.
>per se
And you wonder why you lack control over the threads you make lmao
What's that supposed to mean? Lol
It means you're a brainless homosexual with no real opinions and that you're just shitposting and genwarring.
It is not just about looking at a sprite or model trail behind your player character. When implemented correctly, that kind of visual flair adds to the immersion and improves the game experience. Little moments like talking to your pokemon after a tough fight, seeing them interact with the world or riding your pokemon for faster movement make you feel more connected to your team and add to your overall enjoyment of the game.
It truly is a shame how the last two gens completely shitting the bed with following pokemon soured the fanbase's opinion on what used to be a universally beloved gameplay feature.