Uhh sweetie, they did. Wolfenstein 3D was released by id software.
There may have been games before that used the first person perspective but none of them were fps.
Nice try but with lawyers gnomish enough you can sue for pattent infringement just for that.
Some IT related company sued their competition for patent infringement by the way of >specifically looking at our code to avoid our mistakes and make it run better.
The original point of patents are to reserve the implementation of the invention; one type of mouse trap. Any competitor can build a better mouse trap, as long as they don't use the same methods of implementation.
Software patents are bullshit, reserving the *idea* instead of the implementation. Any alternative implementation of Katamari will still be patent infringement of US20050101365A1 despite not using the same methods to building the better mouse trap.
If you wanna see anyways, the Shadow of Mordor patent is: US20160279522A1
tried reading that for maybe 5 minutes but it just seems that they made an effort to create the most overcomplicated paper possible to make people just give up midway. It's been a loong time since I tried reading something so pretentious and I'm reading at least one paper per day since I majored in 2016 or maybe it's just the format that they use that's shit
I mean if it's an intricate game mechanic at least it's better than shit like >FGO makes you upgrade skills one level at a time >When asked why they don't just let you press a button to go from level 1 to 10 instead of making you do them one by one, the producer answered that it's because another game has the patent for that
I mean if it's an intricate game mechanic at least it's better than shit like >FGO makes you upgrade skills one level at a time >When asked why they don't just let you press a button to go from level 1 to 10 instead of making you do them one by one, the producer answered that it's because another game has the patent for that
>be lazy developer for shit game >someone asks why your game doesn't have a basic qol feature >make excuse and lie
I was under the impression that patents were made to protect things that needed it. No one has tried to copy this shit because it's not interesting, fun or worthwhile. So what's the fucking point?
Unless it's just so that they can sue someone who eventually makes something similar but actually fun and it's basically treated like a free money card.
>I was under the impression that patents were made to protect things that needed it.
Lol. Lmao, even. >Unless it's just so that they can sue someone who eventually makes something similar but actually fun and it's basically treated like a free money card.
Yeah it's for that, and also covering their own asses from patent trolls.
>patents an intricate game mechanic so nobody else can use them but them
lol
lmao
An old Japanese SRPG from the 16/32 bit era had precedent to this actually. Enemy armies would have optional midbosses with special randomly generated names that would serve as recurring rival type enemies to your characters, and if you fought a recurring one enough times with the same character he would get stronger with better equipment, and drops from a fully maxed rival was the only way to get the strongest equipment for some characters.
Can't remember the title, I think it was a Sega Saturn game with a weird German name.
Well he's right. You're a fucking retard that doesnt understand what a patent is. Maybe educate yourself before spewing your retarded thoughts for others to see. Sadly your type is why turnstiles collapsing. Social media and it's ease of use allows your idiot thoughts to be shown to others and influence other idiots.
>No one has tried to copy this shit because it's not interesting, fun or worthwhile. So what's the fucking point?
No one has to tried to properly replicate because you basically have to revolve your whole game around the system and it takes a shitload of work (programming, voice lines, design) for it to reach its fullest potential that most devs won't even bother.
we could also go after the underlings like paraglegal and court reporters...maybe we could shame them into spying on their bosses and help us fight the forces of darkness
>overrated ai system that makes it so orc clone #62 will be mad if you hit him
don't understand why people hype this up so much, every orc i've seen is virtually the same, fall into identical categories with copy paste dialogue and are entirely predictable in their behavior in the world. they all act exactly the same in every video of the game i've seen too. to the point that people literally groom the orcs to be better pit fighters, not through some complex method, but by very simply rerolling the rng.
They poured all their marketing money into the mechanic. Shill reviews were everywhere back in 2014, and the ad read was to obsess over the system. I never heard anyone praise Shadow of War, guess people got smart.
It's an intricate load of shit. The only thing good about Mordor/War is the orc horde, not the dumb "every general is a speshul snowflake which boils down to HATES NEWSPAPERS/WEAK AGAINST RANGED".
Star renegades has the same system and it's just an inconsequential boring load of shit there too.
I still dont understand what is there to patent.
enemies having a recollection of you and reacting to their memory of you and what you did to them or someone that they have a connection to you; that does not seem patentable.
You patent the methodology of how you implement the system, not the idea itself. In this case it's literally the code for how it is executed within the games. You can make a nemesis system as long as you don't plagiarize that exact code, but it is expensive to go to court to prove such a thing so people just don't make use of Nemesis systems to avoid patent trolling.
It's how all copyright works. Unfortunately there are corporations who abuse the system by suing and then settling for less money out of court. This is why devs just avoid the headache and don't make their own nemesis systems even if they'd like to.
>le enemy says scripted dialog about you and previous fights >WHOLE GAME IS BASED AROUNS THIS GIMMICK
cool but shallow and ultimately underwhelming as fuck. There’s nothing really spectacular about it other than being well labeled as THE NEMESIS SYSTEM that redditards now attach some strange reverence to it. It’s a single mechanic and losers cum themselves over it, I don’t get it.
I just want WB to use it on SOMETHING those ' shadow of games ' were a guilty pleasure for me. I loved just dueling those dumb orcs enmass.
Give me the games yo.
What does this patent encompass exactly? Simply their shitty system of hierarchy and other randomly generated gimmicks, or could they sue anyone for basically having recurring characters?
Which company holds the patent to loading screen mini-games? I can't imagine Coco-Cola patenting fizzy drinks and outlawing and non-coke products that are liquid and have bubbles yes this is a food analogy
>have idea >you get to tell everyone else whether or not you can use that idea because you said it first
This is so childish and retarded. How fucking stupid are we?
>Japanese developers create a mechanic that innovates and inspires >"We're glad our games have touched the hearts of so many people [laughs]."
>Western developers create a mechanic that no-one really talks about but the developers are extremely proud of >"Only WE get to use Shadow of Mordor's trademark Nemesis System™! It is OURS! We don't want anyone else stealing our ICONIC IDEA!" heeheeheehee... *giggles and kicks feet*
I wonder why id software never thought of patenting FPS games.
john carmack made his games moddable because of "hacker culture"
Because he would be wrong
Games were about advancement and comradery back then.
They didn't make the first FPS.
Uhh sweetie, they did. Wolfenstein 3D was released by id software.
There may have been games before that used the first person perspective but none of them were fps.
Wolf3D was not the first person shooter.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
not him but see picrel from
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-person_shooter
It doesn't matter, just patent your "Camera to eye level with gun in hands to shoot at enemies" technology
give the specific of their patent so i can do something similar but without getting sued so i can show them a middle finger
Nice try but with lawyers gnomish enough you can sue for pattent infringement just for that.
Some IT related company sued their competition for patent infringement by the way of
>specifically looking at our code to avoid our mistakes and make it run better.
>specifically looking at our code to avoid our mistakes and make it run better.
LMAO fucking garden gnomes
The original point of patents are to reserve the implementation of the invention; one type of mouse trap. Any competitor can build a better mouse trap, as long as they don't use the same methods of implementation.
Software patents are bullshit, reserving the *idea* instead of the implementation. Any alternative implementation of Katamari will still be patent infringement of US20050101365A1 despite not using the same methods to building the better mouse trap.
If you wanna see anyways, the Shadow of Mordor patent is: US20160279522A1
tried reading that for maybe 5 minutes but it just seems that they made an effort to create the most overcomplicated paper possible to make people just give up midway. It's been a loong time since I tried reading something so pretentious and I'm reading at least one paper per day since I majored in 2016 or maybe it's just the format that they use that's shit
intellectual """""""""""""""""property"""""""""""""""" is a fucking meme
I mean if it's an intricate game mechanic at least it's better than shit like
>FGO makes you upgrade skills one level at a time
>When asked why they don't just let you press a button to go from level 1 to 10 instead of making you do them one by one, the producer answered that it's because another game has the patent for that
Kek wtf!? Is this real? Kill all garden gnomes and asians, also the garden gnomes at Capcom sued Koei for a retarder shit too
>be lazy developer for shit game
>someone asks why your game doesn't have a basic qol feature
>make excuse and lie
I was under the impression that patents were made to protect things that needed it. No one has tried to copy this shit because it's not interesting, fun or worthwhile. So what's the fucking point?
Unless it's just so that they can sue someone who eventually makes something similar but actually fun and it's basically treated like a free money card.
>I was under the impression that patents were made to protect things that needed it.
Lol. Lmao, even.
>Unless it's just so that they can sue someone who eventually makes something similar but actually fun and it's basically treated like a free money card.
Yeah it's for that, and also covering their own asses from patent trolls.
An old Japanese SRPG from the 16/32 bit era had precedent to this actually. Enemy armies would have optional midbosses with special randomly generated names that would serve as recurring rival type enemies to your characters, and if you fought a recurring one enough times with the same character he would get stronger with better equipment, and drops from a fully maxed rival was the only way to get the strongest equipment for some characters.
Can't remember the title, I think it was a Sega Saturn game with a weird German name.
Lansgrisser?
jesus christ you are a massive retard
Thanks for your useless comment, moron.
Well he's right. You're a fucking retard that doesnt understand what a patent is. Maybe educate yourself before spewing your retarded thoughts for others to see. Sadly your type is why turnstiles collapsing. Social media and it's ease of use allows your idiot thoughts to be shown to others and influence other idiots.
>No one has tried to copy this shit because it's not interesting, fun or worthwhile. So what's the fucking point?
No one has to tried to properly replicate because you basically have to revolve your whole game around the system and it takes a shitload of work (programming, voice lines, design) for it to reach its fullest potential that most devs won't even bother.
If we publicly beheaded the lawyers and judges involved in deciding that shit like this is patentable the world would be a better place.
we could also go after the underlings like paraglegal and court reporters...maybe we could shame them into spying on their bosses and help us fight the forces of darkness
>intricate game mechanic
The only intricate thing about this is the level of marketing
Why are you underage retards pretending patents are a new thing?
Or even this specific patent being new. The nemesis system was patented almost ten fucking years ago. You know, when this game actually came out?
Didnt unisoft copy this shit in nu assassins creed? Then again ubisoft copies everything i imagine they have good lawyers
>overrated ai system that makes it so orc clone #62 will be mad if you hit him
don't understand why people hype this up so much, every orc i've seen is virtually the same, fall into identical categories with copy paste dialogue and are entirely predictable in their behavior in the world. they all act exactly the same in every video of the game i've seen too. to the point that people literally groom the orcs to be better pit fighters, not through some complex method, but by very simply rerolling the rng.
They poured all their marketing money into the mechanic. Shill reviews were everywhere back in 2014, and the ad read was to obsess over the system. I never heard anyone praise Shadow of War, guess people got smart.
It's an intricate load of shit. The only thing good about Mordor/War is the orc horde, not the dumb "every general is a speshul snowflake which boils down to HATES NEWSPAPERS/WEAK AGAINST RANGED".
Star renegades has the same system and it's just an inconsequential boring load of shit there too.
I still dont understand what is there to patent.
enemies having a recollection of you and reacting to their memory of you and what you did to them or someone that they have a connection to you; that does not seem patentable.
You patent the methodology of how you implement the system, not the idea itself. In this case it's literally the code for how it is executed within the games. You can make a nemesis system as long as you don't plagiarize that exact code, but it is expensive to go to court to prove such a thing so people just don't make use of Nemesis systems to avoid patent trolling.
How is that different from ordinary copyright?
it isn't and that's why he's wrong.
It's not.
It's how all copyright works. Unfortunately there are corporations who abuse the system by suing and then settling for less money out of court. This is why devs just avoid the headache and don't make their own nemesis systems even if they'd like to.
So while file a patent?
>le enemy says scripted dialog about you and previous fights
>WHOLE GAME IS BASED AROUNS THIS GIMMICK
cool but shallow and ultimately underwhelming as fuck. There’s nothing really spectacular about it other than being well labeled as THE NEMESIS SYSTEM that redditards now attach some strange reverence to it. It’s a single mechanic and losers cum themselves over it, I don’t get it.
It's a good system and pretty innovative.
on the other hand..
>by them
THEY ARE NO USING IT THEMSELVES AAAAAAAAAA
Granted I only played the first game, but there all the enemies were so fucking easy to kill it's more or less pointless system.
>Played on easy mode
I just want WB to use it on SOMETHING those ' shadow of games ' were a guilty pleasure for me. I loved just dueling those dumb orcs enmass.
Give me the games yo.
What does this patent encompass exactly? Simply their shitty system of hierarchy and other randomly generated gimmicks, or could they sue anyone for basically having recurring characters?
It's bullshit, like all software patents.
>News that came out 5 years ago is now making its rounds again because it was popular on twitter/reddit for attention
You people need to go outside
>You people need to go outside
Can't, the sun is up
Which company holds the patent to loading screen mini-games? I can't imagine Coco-Cola patenting fizzy drinks and outlawing and non-coke products that are liquid and have bubbles yes this is a food analogy
It was Namco, but I think the patent went out of date in like 2013 or something.
>have idea
>you get to tell everyone else whether or not you can use that idea because you said it first
This is so childish and retarded. How fucking stupid are we?
>the guy that invented the internet refused to patent it for the good of humanity
We will not see such men again
>NOO YOU CANT JUST PRIVATISE A SYSTEM YOU HAND MADE FOR YOURSELF, YOU HAVE TO LET OTHER SHITTY COMPANIES RUN IT INTO THE GROUND!!!
Theres a reason nobody likes souls-likes anymore, theres a reason OPEN WORLD SURVIVAL CRAFTING ZOMBIES is a graveyard
See
It was a dream of a better time and a better humanity than exists in reality
and these genres would be in a better state if for 20 years after the first game was made no other developer could have made one?
>Japanese developers create a mechanic that innovates and inspires
>"We're glad our games have touched the hearts of so many people [laughs]."
>Western developers create a mechanic that no-one really talks about but the developers are extremely proud of
>"Only WE get to use Shadow of Mordor's trademark Nemesis System™! It is OURS! We don't want anyone else stealing our ICONIC IDEA!" heeheeheehee... *giggles and kicks feet*