Asking unironically - how do they plan to compete with Diablo 4 with this?
They had the opportunity to develop completely separate, new product with bunch of ideas and different playstyle in late game, but they decided to merge both poe 1 and 2 endgames for what fricking reason exactly?
Game is completely unfriendly for new players, it's endgame is bloated to hell and it's visual progression system for the characters does not exist. If you want to look cool you have to spend 40 dollars per armour set, otherwise you'll look like a homeless bum on max level, when players spending money can look like demigods on level 2. Even transmog is pay2use and it's done with CONSUMABLES so you would have to pay endlessly if you want to change your look on a regular basis.
Meanwhile Diablo 4 will cost 1.5 armour set from PoE and come with hundreds of transmogs right of the bat, and then every 1-2 years you will be able to buy an expansion with lots of content for 1 armour set from PoE. Game will be very welcoming for noobs (stuff like making/tweaking your build on the fly, easy way to check what skill does what, more streamlined endgame gameplay etc.).
I can't believe I'm shilling fricking Blizzard right now, as I despise this absolute cumdumpster of a company with a passion, but I'm being serious. How is GGG planning to compete with that and what's even the point of PoE2, if it's just more of the same and not separate product tailored to broaden the audience?
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You're asking me how a piece of shit can compete against another piece of shit as if I care which shit wins.
He's asking openly to people who are interested. You're not unique for not caring, it makes you boring and bitter.
The ONLY reason why PoE even lasted this long is because D3 is a dumpster fire.
Who the frick wants to play a game with 18 different crafting mechanics, 200 currency items, a convoluted skills system, bloated mechanics/gameplay, needing 18 different defensive mechanics to even play the game properly, so many skill effects that you can't even see the screen because you just died irl of a seizure, no death log, a baldfraud of a Dev, who wants to "stay so far ahead of the competition" that just makes new mechanics for the fun of it which are always shit, awful skills/stats balancing, always making counter-intuitive game design decisions, and the barrier to entry is too high for anyone to just pick it up and play.
And this is coming from someone who used to play POE daily
I wouldn't mind it if 90% of those mechanics weren't a beginner's deathtrap.
This
The issue isn't the sheer quantity of different mechanic, it's that 90% are actually detrimental for your progression and gameplay
The game is full of shit and every time they nerf one of the few "non shit" feature, it just make the elephant in the room more visible
But as always people are moronic and will forget when the new shiny feature appear
Most contents value is extremely niche. Either it generates raw currency or its not worth doing for the average player because it's just a money sink for the giga israelites who run 6 player magic find and balanced around that plus max juicing with scarabs and sextants and whatever.
Like Bestiary has a handful of crafts ever worth doing and most won't even be worth doing yourself if you don't already have exceptional pieces
D4 will be even worse than D3, anyone believing anything else is on full blizztard cope
I do. But I guess some people prefer having a green up arrow to indicate what piece of gear is better
You make a good point, but on the other hand you just know that Blizzard is going to frick it up somehow.
>but on the other hand you just know that Blizzard is going to frick it up somehow.
Of course. Either they gonna frick up at the beginning, due to their incompetence
OR
Succed spectacularly at the beginning and then start their moronic milking and ruin the game in the process.
It's modern Blizzard after all.
GGG is incompetent to the nth degree
But Blizzard exists on a level of incompetence that is purely hypothetical, one that we do not possess the terms to define, an esoteric and non-Euclidian form of utter fricking inane moronation that continues to defy all logic and expectation
I'm beginning to think that ARPGs are just bad and the devs who make them are also bad.
>But Blizzard exists on a level of incompetence that is purely hypothetical, one that we do not possess the terms to define, an esoteric and non-Euclidian form of utter fricking inane moronation that continues to defy all logic and expectation
seriously kek'd
but 100% true anon
still, even they have to realise that diablo 4 is their last chance of actually making something worthy of their old reputation
if they frick this up, they are literally and unironically done
This is some serious delusion
Shadowlands broke sales records
Overwatch 2 will still sell millions
D4 will sell 10s of millions
Eh, current blizz isn't what they used to be; all their IPs are dying... Their reputation is at its lowest right now. Don't get me wrong i'm sure d4 will sell plenty, but the question is whether they'll be able to hold on to that playerbase to sell their envisioned battlepasses and microtransactions.
>years ago set new record with D3 sales
>break it in 2020 with Shadowlands sales
Yeah these IPs sure look dead, sure lmao
> but the question is whether they'll be able to hold on to that playerbase to sell their envisioned battlepasses and microtransactions.
D3 still has a playerbase despite having basically 0 core updates since Necromancer
Their unique skill tree and gem systems that offer more depth than anything that's ever come out of this genre.
Yes, and it means nothing to the vast majority of players who don't give a frick about that and even think it's a negative.
Complex does not mean good.
Complex means complex, and good means good.
If the game's not for you then frick off and play something else.
i will, diablo 4 is coming after all, which comes back to the original question in the op - how is ggg planning to compete with that?
Well, you're right about that. I don't enter F2P monetisation schemes because in the long run you always pay more, whether with time or finances.
>he thinks only f2p are predatory
I can ASSURE you Diablo 4 will be more cancerous with its box price + battle pass + cosmetic cash shop than PoE ever was.
their announcement that everyone gets free exp boost is so strange.
Players supposedly can't buy exp boosts and everyone gets them. It seems superfluous
>than PoE ever was
do you even realize how expensive the shit Poe try to sell you is?
Believe me - I know. It's shocking for me how insolent can someone be to try to sell you a skin or a spell effect for a full AAA game's price.
And I still stand by what I said.
This isn't an either/or ultimatum. Yes, I realise Blizzard are cancer. More news at 11. I don't like that shit any more than F2P. I dislike both. They are both cancer.
Yes and that means you spend more time not playing the game and instead sit outside in poe planner
Blizzard could literally release d3 with d4 graphics and kill path of exile overnight. Poe is complete shit now and they haven't had a single patch that demonstrates how poe2 will be an improvement.
Diablo 4? If you think Diablo 4 is any threat to a f2p PoE 2 you've been asleep for the past decade. Acti-Blizzard is struggling HARD to keep even the most rabid fanboys in their franchises.
Diablo 3 was a failure (despite shitton of copies sold) and showed how quickly Acti-Blizz can nuke a project if they can't milk it into infinity. Diablo as a trademark has lost its luster and the new generation of gamers doesn't even know what the frick that is.
PoE on the other hand is going strong. I don't even like the game because I hate zoom-zoom one-shot or be one-shotted gameplay, but even I have to admit Diablo doesn't have shit on PoE.
>PoE on the other hand is going strong.
They literally just released the most despised league with the absolutely biggest drop in players online in the history of the game.
Keep up with news.
You mean the giant nothingbuger that got (at least partialy) fixed in todays patch? I'm sure it won't be enough for the outrage doomposter autists, but Jay Wilson would have to shut down the servers for 6 months and even then there would be more people interested in playing PoE than Diablo.
>You mean the giant nothingbuger that got (at least partialy) fixed in todays patch?
It was not fixed, stop lying/living in denial.
>You mean the giant nothingbuger
imagine being denying reality this fricking hard
largest player drop in the history of the free to play game that can only earn money when players actually PLAY it (as opposed to players who can buy a game and dont have to play it, which still generates money) is a "nothingburger"?
Are you fricking moronic?
>4 days into the league
>almost every streamer doing T15+ maps while crying the loot is fricked
>Empyrean butthurt his and his buddies' money printing machine isn't working
Boo-fricking-hoo. How the frick are they able to clear end-game content if there is no loot? Holy shit I'm not going to argue with you morons. Frick off.
Also they ARE patching the loot. Look it up.
>You mean the giant nothingbuger that got (at least partialy) fixed in todays patch?
cope
the patch made people even angrier and caused more quitting because it completely missed the mark
>Diablo 3 was a failure (despite shitton of copies sold)
>(despite shitton of copies sold)
>a failure
>shitton of copies sold
>failure
Same way they always do: the core addicts and paid streamers will defend and shill it until the day they die.
I figured PoE2 is vaporware at this point
they made a fun mockup to save face while blizzard fricked up with diablo immortal but I havent seen anything related to PoE2 since
at this point im just convinced someone at blizz gave chris fat staks of cash to kill POE before D4 release but to "not make it too obvious" so people still crave that ARPG itch that POE isnt able to satisfy anymore
I'll just play grim dawn, or d2.
both is gonna be shit
It's simple - Diablo 4 will be a crappy wannabe mmo and will lose automatically.
> and then every 1-2 years you will be able to buy an expansion
D2 had exactly 1 expansion
D3 had exactly 1 expansion
D4 will have exactly 1 expansion (but 1 million cash shop cosmetics)
D3 had 2 expansions
It has 1 expansion and 1 DLC class. Or am I missing something?
free expansion that added the kanai cube, among other things.
I think our definition of "expansion" differs.
>D4 will have exactly 1 expansion (but 1 million cash shop cosmetics)
Diablo 4 will have as many expansions as possible while the game is alive as keeping it alive will potentially be a constant source of income for Blizzard.
Diablo 3 will have as many expansions as possible while the game is alive as keeping it alive will potentially be a constant source of income for Blizzard.
Incorrect, Diablo 3 monetization was not developed to keep it as game as service, and therefore will not be further developed.
They don't have to do anything, Blizzard itself will make sure Path of Exile 2 will be the better game no matter what.
Sometimes all it takes to win is to let your opponents lose by themselves.
blizzard WILL piss off enough people that poe will keep a steady audience. Being owned by microsoft will change nothing about that. I guarantee it
http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/6305e6549efe8-poe2-vs-d4-gameplay-quin69-testing-both.php
here's a side by side of PoE2 melee gameplay vs D4, both played by quin
Looking at the two games side by side it's really clear which is the actual future of ARPG.
i'll give you a hint, it's the one with SOVL
Agreed, d4 is pretty soulless.
So, Grim Dawn.
poe 2 looks better
Quinn plays like a moron.
I reckon Path of Exile 2 will get rid a lot of the bloat that makes the game more confusing for newcomers to get into. There's a reason why they call it Path of Exile 2 and not Path of Exile 4.0. For example, I don't expect the map system of PoE2 to have all the league mechanics it has right now. Recent patches have shown that they're clearly trying to slow down the game, and many of its current league mechanics have no place if the game is going to be slower.
Also what we know about PoE2 (from Exilecon 2019), I wouldn't take it that seriously anymore. That was 3 years ago and the coof has clearly affected the development of it. As far as I know, NZ's laws are pretty rigid when it comes to hiring foreign employees. NZ hardly had a game industry prior to GGG so it's not like they can find easily find more talent. And right now they have bigger problems at their hands, this league is not doing well at all. They've basically lost all their goodwill in the past 1,5 years.
poe is still doing well, for now, I don't know why they're trying so hard to appeal to newcomers. It's one of the most popular games on steam but apparently it's never enough for them.
I love the irony that trying to draw more people in is what's making their player count drop
>poe is still doing well, for now,
It used to be in the steam top 10. It aint there any more.
yeah, it's very slowly dying. It's kinda like what happened with wow. It reached a peak then over several years the playerbase dwindled into what it is today
How the frick is Naraka so popular
chinks, it's always chinks
It had a free weekend recently.
>They had the opportunity to develop completely separate, new product with bunch of ideas and different playstyle in late game, but they decided to merge both poe 1 and 2 endgames for what fricking reason exactly?
This is the part I don't understand. I would much rather they make a brand new separate title. I don't care if I lose all my stash tab upgrades as long as the game is good I will pay money for it. I also don't care if PoE2 is super slow paced like old Diablo, as long as it's FUN.
Despite all the bullshit surrounding PoE the second game is more or less a lock and GGG will keep memoryholing their audience regarding the shit like they do in updates like 3.15 and 3.19, only thing they really have to worry about is making PoE 2 feel less special by the time it comes out. Shit's still far away but the idea of having many 6L skill gems and some other nuances they showed off would definitely call for a revamped endgame, maps and some features like anointments just aren't going anywhere.
GGG falling into the same trap that Blizzard felt into for Overwatch 2. So much time, money and effort is obviously put into something that looks more like an expansion pack than truly a new game. I knew POE 2 is in trouble the moment they talk about new gem system and new ascendancies, when the truth is they are not going far enough with changes to the gem system and the ascendancy system should have long been replaced.
Other than the two ranger ascendancies, has anything else been shown yet for other classes? I'm curious what the Templar will get.
No, expect a large info dump at exilecon 2023.
They won't spill the beans earlier as they need as much content as possible to show at the event.
i honestly can't wait for d4
i just want to return to monke
solid game with great gameplay
no autistically thinking about builds and items, not spending half of my time outside of the game in 3rd party applications and through craft of exile and wikis
an item drops and it's just fricking good off the bat, imagine that
no bloated systems and end-game
please don't frick it up blizzard
>how do they plan to compete with Diablo 4 with this?
simple, my friend. they just need to appeal to Diablo fans, because Blizzard has made it clear that they won't :^)
Simple
Poe offers depth in character building and itemization despite being a piece of shit, plus people are horribly addicted to this game
Diablo will have a more fresh and fun campaign process most likely but not remain fun in the long term
Yeah if anything if GGG plays their cards right the diablo 4 release will push a lot of people towards POE 2 in the long term. There's no way d4 can compete with the literal decade of content poe has
The same way they've competed the pasg 12 years:
Everyone else is much, much more incompetent.
>Too many expansions and content
>new players have a difficult time getting use to it all
>game slowly dies
They chose this outcome themselves.
But at least hardcore, long time players still absolutely love the game, right?
...right?
I still do. I'm actually kind of mad the loot nerf got reverted.
You shouldn't be, because hard mode will never exist if GGG keeps fricking up the main game.
No that's the thing, having two modes is moronic, and hopefully they know that so just folding one into the other is the way to go. Which is how they operate anyways, slowly making permanent changes in service to Poe2. Even the spider mtx is beta for shape-shifting.
Things like sneaking it in and telling us 3 days later is why I haven't bought anything in nearly a year, though.
>diablo4
>compete about a stillborn pay2win mmo with respawn timer when you are an actual action rpg looter
>he pays for cosmetics
I've played PoE for literally a decade and never once bought a cosmetic
And your character looks like a homeless person
A lot of people care, character visuals are one of the most important aspects of arpg that's why GGG/literally any f2p game is able to stay afloat and make a frickton of money by selling them.
Anyone saying "it's just skins" is moronic. Skins make billions in this industry, they are extremely important.
a lot of people are moronic
If you think cosmetics aren't important in a game then I have bad news for your parents.
Cosmetics = content, or at least potential content. People have played hundreds of hours in games to farm some cosmetic shit for their characters and you prance here and say "who cares".
Everyone with an IQ above 80, Black person.
Yeah people will go to ridiculous lengths, whether it's spending a fortune or playing for hundreds of hours just for a skin or even something as basic as an achievement on a game.
my point is it's silly to think that people will pay for D4 over PoE because cosmetics exist.
Hell PoE even throws free cosmetics at you just for playing the league.
also considering how immortal went I fully expect D4 to have an equally terrible monetization
It's all but confirmed there will be a battlepass and there's a good chance it wont be cosmetic only like PoE
>considering how immortal went
Immortal was made for subhumans of the gaming world, aka mobile players
and it made blizz millions
Diablo immortal made Blizzard less money in 2 months than Diablo 3 made in 24 hours.
It's obvious that it's monetization scheme would absolutely ruin pay2play product that Diablo 4 will be.
>could've had a second D3 expansion
>gets cancelled because blizz managers were a moron and did not have much hope for RoS even before the sales were released
>they push the D3 designers into WoW and influencing wow's itemization into a d3-lite since legion; ruining the mmo further
i hope blizz sinks those motherfrickers
>>they push the D3 designers into WoW and influencing wow's itemization into a d3-lite since legion; ruining the mmo further
This never happened you schizo
WoW is down to fewer stats than any time since vanilla
Let's be real here: D3 was dropped because the whole point of keeping the game alive was to have RMAH in it. I'm pretty sure the decision to remove RMAH came at the same time as the order to discontinue the production of content for it. Whatever they had at the point was turned into RoS and the Necro DLC, then dropped.
i legit forgot they tried to do that
It was both one of the greatest and worst moments in gaming due to the sheer amounts of butthurt it caused.
just give me more d3 expansions reeeee
coming back to d3 after 8 years of playing pooe felt like a relief
It's free.
It's not made by modern blizzard.
This is enough to win this battle of handicapped.
Git gud
>actually believing Diablo 4 won't be the same cosmetic hell as PoE
You should be correct, but this is modern Blizzard we're talking about.
Diablo 4 is the last bastion of my hope. If Blizzard fricks this up, I'm done forever.
blizzard will frick it up guaranteed so you're done forever.
I believe
(no I don't)
Where Path of exile fails most if you ask me is creating illusion that you have freedom of choice. You have insanely large passive tree, but to be effective at clearing hardest content you are always forced towards same paths.
They should start by doing some changes like: Make character choice cosmetic only. Make ascensions so you can pick any of them. Make passive tree starting point something you can select. This would give a bit more freedom than the currenct forced starting points, forced 3 ascensions per char approach.