Pathfinder's combat mogs Baldur's Gate 3 and its not even fricking close. Just by class alone, Pathfinder has more options and not just that, also have dramatically different playstyles from each other. You'd think with BG3 have less classes, it would mean more depth but they practically play the same. Playing as a Magus or a Mutation fighter in PF is so much more enjoyable than any subclass or class BG3 has to offer. Not to mention the mythic class system also offers better roleplaying option than BG3 ever could.
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Bg3 is what happens when a studio wastes all their time making shitty mocap porn instead of make a good game
sounds like bg3 is a great eroge game
if youre a furry maybe, byt your only choice is bear.
i heard some tumblerite b***hing about how every character in the game acts horny
they are, but most arent particularly attractive
Pretty much every companions is quick to try and frick you, and they're all playersexual so even the men that seem normal like Gale or Wyll will try to suck your dick out of nowhere because you were nice to them
>only the literal gay bear has a sex scene
fricking weird joke
sounds like a problem for modders to solve with some SFM
Not true, I just fricked karlach
A tumblrite? b***hing? Stop the fricking presses!
pretty much every companion wants to ride you instantly. no buildup, no getting to know each other whatsoever just straight to fricking each other.
you're telling me I should buy Baldor Gate Tree and make the ugliest lowest charisma goblin imaginable
play it with friends because all the companions are horsehit. they make Seelah and Wenduag look like a great and well written companion in comparison
Shadowcute is good
>good
>worships Shar
oh no no no please don't tell Shadowheart fans that she is AT BEST true neutral.
Good as in she's a good character
And yes she's pretty chill for a shar worshipper
She is ostensibly lawful neutral, which is still weird for a Sh*r worshipper.
I haven't gotten there yet but it's already heavily implied she got blackmailed or deceived into being her cleric, which is exactly what Sh*r worshippers would do.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they killed her family and then wiped her memories and just said "hey, we saved you"
but I'm also not there yet.
Shadowheart is the only exception, though she does warm up to you incredibly quickly as well for no reason.
>though she does warm up to you incredibly quickly as well for no reason.
Because she's the worst written character in the whole game. I can understand normies not understanding it. But she's a fricking Cleric of Shar. Trust nobody except Shar, not even fellow Shar worshippers. It's pretty obvious they wanted a companion connected to Shar since the story revolves around Shar seemingly. But couldn't actually write that in properly so instead we get the abomionation known as Shadowheart. Who after 3 ingame days is like "omg you have singlehandedly changed my entirely outlook on life :*~~*~~)".
3 days and literally not talking to her*
I just killed some goblin bandit leaders for their loot, killed their friends after, then got rewarded for it and shadowheart is all
>I can't imagine life without you! I've never felt this way before, probably, because I have no memories!
Yes. Everyone wants to try and partner up with you after like 3 days of misadventuring. And most are very straightforward about it or even loose about it too. One moment you'll be at camp celebrating your victory and the next moment Lae'zel might be like "normally I wouldn't do this with someone like YOU because I'm a alien with incredibly strict military disicipline and religious indoctrination BUT I want to taste you". It's pretty weird and forced from a non-coomer perspective.
Tadpoles
>Lariandrone response
>help the drow murder everyone in the grove
>she gets insanely murder horny and says tonight im hers after i have tadpole visions implying she might kill me during
>think im about to get some dommy mommy action
>she sucks my dick and treats me softly
boner ruined
>great eroge game
lol no
It looks awful
These are the sex scenes I was supposed to be hyped for? This is DAO tier
>Drow giving a blowjob
I thought they forced you to suck them off
She denounced the drow gods and culture for the 'Absolute'
>those animation
people were hyping up mocapped sex scene like it would revolutionize gaming.
This scene keeps getting reposted, but it's and old one from early access and not from the final release. Which is different.
Exactly. Pathfinder in general is just a better base for video game stuff than DnD.
you are wrong
bg3 peaked at 800k and is the #2 on steam comfortably. I guess it worked
nice to see it among other shitty mainstream games that don't take risks
You are an imbecile of a profound degree if you think Larian didn't take substantial risks with BG3.
Well I guess including gay bear sex in your game is kinda risky, or at least it would have been years ago, nowadays though..
Apparently simple game theory does not compute inside your brains.
Crpgs are a niche genre. Larian could have simply made it like DOS2, but a little bit better, like the jump from DOS1 to DOS2. This would have sold well, and would have been a safe investment (based on the sales of DOS2).
They did NOT need to expend the amount of budget that they did. Burning a frick ton of cash on full mocap and cinematics when they objectively did not need to is intrinsically risky.
Basically, they went all out with their budget on a game in a niche genre, when they already had precedent to ensure a guaranteed profit with a much safer alternative.
On top of that, they received a huge offer to be bought out by Microsoft; Swen could have walked away with at least a hundred mill in his pockets, but instead chose to spend all his studios budget on a game that could have easily lost money.
Again, if your brain is so low functioning and surface level that you don't understand this, you are an imbecile.
>Larian could have simply made it like DOS2, but a little bit better, like the jump from DOS1 to DOS2.
Which is exactly what they did.
The only real changes are the system mechanics to make it more like 5E which is no doubt a contractual obligation by Wizards to get their hands on the IP in the first place.
I didn't realize DOS2 has fully mocapped dialogue for EVERY conversation.
I didn't realize DOS2 had full cutscenes.
I get if you don't care about these things, but your implication that these do not excessively consume budget, you're simply an imbecile.
>mocapped dialogue
Looks worse than VTMB a game from '06 and like half the races look terrible doing it because they didn't put actual work into mapping all the faces.
Sure, but what does that have to do with the budget
>Intentionally missing my point
As I said: regardless if you think it looks better or worse, these things cost a frick ton of money that absolutely does not NEED to be spent. That INTRINSICALLY adds risk, by its very definition.
>studio budget
you mean Hasbro's budget? why are people acting like this is just Larian acting alone in all this?
I'm not sure where you learned that this game was funded by Hasbro. Genuinely, I don't know if it's true or not.
In either case, SOMEONE has to take that risk; the risk proposition does not change. You are still spending an excessive budget for a game in a niche genre, when you have precedent to guarantee a profit with a much safer, faster and easier alternative. There is also opportunity cost; if they took the alternative route, they'd be able to release this game much faster and begin working on their next game sooner.
Well for starters Hasbro/Wizards of the Coast owns the D&D IP and manges the marketing and licensing for Larian. That said I don't really think acting like this game was a huge risk is really that true. When everything we've seen so far from both Larian and modern day D&D points to massive success. Just like with 5e, just like with Critical Role and just like with the movie.
Sorry I should clarify. I don't think BG3 is anymore of a "huge risk" than any other videogame. Cause all videogames are huge risks really. I'm more saying that there were a lot of strong indicators to suggest that this would be another success.
>there were a lot of strong indicators to suggest that this would be another success
Sure, late in development, AFTER the risks have been taken. It's genuinely amazing how you can't understand this lmfao.
>late in development
>5e and Critical Role were already out and highly successful before BG3 even started development lol
>I don't really think acting like this game was a huge risk is really that true. When everything we've seen so far from both Larian and modern day D&D points to massive success. Just like with 5e, just like with Critical Role and just like with the movie.
Ok, so I'd like to stand by my statement that you are genuinely an imbecile whose brain cannot compute simple game theory.
>everything we've seen so far from both Larian
This proves my point. They did not NEED to go to the extent that they did with this game because they had a nearly guaranteed safer, easier and faster alternative. This is not even including Microsoft's buyout offer which would've made Swen stupidly rich overnight. Your brain literally cannot understand opportunity cost lol.
>modern day D&D
BG3 began development in 2016. D&D was far, far more niche back then.
>just like with the movie
BG3 began development in 2016. Explain how Larian transcended time and space to predict the existence, let alone the success, of the D&D movie.
>This proves my point. They did not NEED to go to the extent that they did with this game because they had a nearly guaranteed safer, easier and faster alternative. This is not even including Microsoft's buyout offer which would've made Swen stupidly rich overnight. Your brain literally cannot understand opportunity cost lol.
They NEEDED to do whatever they felt was necessary to make as much money as possible. That's what you can't seem to wrap your head around. This game wasn't meant to be safe and easy and cheap. It was supposed to be a blockbuster hit to make so much fricking money for Hasbro. And incidentally Hasbro themselves have already commented on how much money they're making on BG3.
>BG3 began development in 2016. D&D was far, far more niche back then.
>BG3 began development in 2016. Explain how Larian transcended time and space to predict the existence, let alone the success, of the D&D movie.
Critical Role was already well underway by the time 2016 came around lol
Holy shit...
>They NEEDED to do whatever they felt was necessary to make as much money as possible.
You clearly don't understand that profits = revenue - EXPENSES
You are suggesting that the more money you put into a NICHE genre, the more money you must make right? Lmfao, literal imbecile.
>Critical Role was already well underway by the time 2016 came around
So are you sincerely suggesting D&D was anywhere near as big back then as it is now? Are you that desperate?
I'll try to explain it once again, for the last time.
>You are Larian studios
>WoTC approaches you to offer you the BG license, based on the success of DOS2
>Later, Microsoft makes a huge buyout offer
>Now you have to make a choice.
>1. You can recreate DOS2, making minor incremental improvements, exactly as the precedent set between DOS1 and DOS2. This budget will be very tame and will GUARANTEE a profit based on precedent.
>2. Or, you can accept Microsoft's offer, become insanely rich over night, and still follow option 1 but with a frick ton of money in your personal bank account.
>3. Or, you can yolo and go all out, burning every last bit of cash in your reserve, hoping your sales will be enough to make your balance sheet black. With 0 precedent.
If you think option 3 is not a risky option ESPECIALLY in the face of options 1 and 2, you are objectively, by every measure, an imbecile of the highest degree.
No one is arguing that there was a possibility that the game won't make good sales. Based on precedent, we KNOW that it would. What was uncertain (ie. risky) at the time was whether it would sell ENOUGH to overcome the unprecedented expenses.
>You clearly don't understand that profits = revenue - EXPENSES
>You are suggesting that the more money you put into a NICHE genre, the more money you must make right? Lmfao, literal imbecile.
D&D is not a niche genre so get over it loser. You were wrong about D&D before and you are wrong now.
Nice cope bro
isometric turn-based RPGs are absolutely a niche genre
Divinity Original Sin 2 has sold over 7.5 million copies roughly as of Baldur's Gate 3's release. CRPGs not made by modern day Larian are niche is what you mean.
move the goalposts more please
facts don't care about your feelings anon even if you are a wannabe CRPG autist
Yeah, the fact is isometric turn-based RPGs are a niche genre and one game blowing up prior to BG3 doesn't change that
>isometric turn-based RPGs
now you're actually moving the goalposts. because Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 aren't turn-based to begin with. And Owlcat didn't design their shit around turn-based either seeing as it took them 3+ years to add the fricking feature. So that leaves what, nuObsidian games? yikes
anon you are literally agreeing with me and reinforcing my point that turn-based CRPGs are generally LESS popular than RTWP with one notable exception
no because no where did you argue that point until now you fricking clown
Literally right here my lad
>D&D, famous video game genre.
>D&D
>the cultural export of America so in/famous in the 60s that it spawned a whole religious counter-movement
Are you actually a nugay to D&D? Is that why you can't get your facts straight on even basic D&D events in history?
>Explore new worlds and engage in exciting heart-racing combat in our famous video game genre, D&D
You got me anon. Baldur's Gate 3 is the only D&D videogame ever mad-
>Baldur's Gate 1 in 1998
>Baldur's Gate 1 expansion in 1999
>Baldur's Gate 2 in 2000
>Baldur's Gate 2 expansion in 2001
>Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance in 2001
>Baldur's Gate 1 Enhanced Edition in 2012
>Baldur's Gate 2 Enhanced Edition in 2013
>Baldur's Gate 1.5 Dragonspear in 2016
>Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 2 in 2021
you are now here
>Baldur's Gate 3 in 2023
and this is just Baldur's Gate videogames lol not that you would know
>Slay goblins, demons and dragons. Protect the realms from evil, or conquer those realms with evil at your back. Vanquish your enemies. Loot the dragon's lair. Get drunk with fair maidens. All in our decades-old video game genre, D&D.
yes exactly anon you could go work for hasbro
also tldr autoreply the rest i dont give a shit because you can't even do basic research so happy that happened or sorry for you anon
>I'm not getting owned if I can't read!
You are literally proving my point that you're an imbecile.
Lol.
>NICHE genre
>Crpgs weren't niche before Baldur's Gate 3! Look, Baldur's Gate 3 is popular!
Holy shit, another human being with no concept of time.
How would you have felt if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday?
License holders don't necessarily fund licensed media. Games Workshop isn't funding all those Warhammer games, for example
Sure but we already know that Hasbro funds their products and Games Workshop doesn't
>We are making significant headway in the execution of Blueprint 2.0 - including investing in higher return brands and projects, ending low return initiatives, modernizing our organization and lowering our cost base," said Deborah Thomas, Hasbro chief financial officer. "We forecasted a challenging 2022, and that came to fruition. We also invested to grow, including the $146 million acquisition of D&D Beyond, which was earnings accretive in Q4, and returned $510 million to shareholders through dividends and share repurchase.
>$228.3 million and $231.9 million for the quarter and full-year 2022, respectively, of asset impairments and charges related to the Company's Blueprint 2.0 strategy focused on fewer, bigger brands.
Frankly I find it hard to believe Hasbro wouldn't insist on greater creative control and slapping the D&D brand on the game if they were directly funding it
And they'd probably have done a way better job advertising it
>substantial risks
lol where
The party where they got not one but two established huge IPs behind their game to sell it as a sequel to one of the most beloved CRPG series out there, used an established engine with two full games they've developed in it which makes it play almost exactly like one of them despite ostensibly running another system and added gayshit to pander to americans and gamejournos while strategically releasing it during pride month?
The only way you could even remotely consider it risking anything is if you're comparing it to those homosexuals at Obsidian who are deathly afraid of adding even a bit of sincerity in their games.
August is pride month now?
Aug is pride month?
lmao no
BG3 is the inferior game by virtue of not having demons (good) to frick
based Aruegay but it has the demon girl patron that Wyll has. i don't know if you can bone her or not.
I said good anon, Mizora is an evil c**t, and I'm pretty sure you can't even rape correct her like Vellexia
>rape correct her like Vellexia
it's not rape if she wants it
For me it's demons (bad but loyal)
True those are good too
>For me it's demons (bad but loyal)
read waldo rabbit by nelson chereta.
Premise seems like it could be neat but is it just a comedy thing?
mostly yeah. its about situational comedy.
dude is born in the country of dark mages but is a white mage and goes on a quest to prove himself and everything goes sideways.
the every first companaion he meets is a chaste succubus with morals.
>chaste succubus
read it. its unironically very well written.
i dont wanna spoil much but she isnt chaste for long.
Well it's only 500 pages for the first book, I'll give it a go
Nothing wrong with that
that's just Devil
>I am evil
>I am loyal to you and your penis Master
What the frick I'm evil now
You can be happy family of 3: You, Arue and your adopted child Aivu
>Aivu
Never played azata
And why would I want to adopt a kid when I could just make one
so you can groom her to be your 2nd daughter wife. it's halal if you are a Sarenrae worshipper
Pig farmer.
Every single race of demon in every single position and in every single hole. But for you, only Desna allowed slow and boring missionary.
Oh hey the cuckgay is here
looks like the cuckBlack folk have entered the thread. that's just what we needed to make this shit thread more shit
videogames are basically a "gay" medium now. Every new videogame seems designed to cater exclusively to gay people. To straight people, it's very offputting and uninviting. We have other hobbies and interests, if videogames transition (lol) fully to a gay medium I can easily just stop playing videogames entirely.
Not even close.
Fricking gay game and looks like shit.
Looks like a lego game and has such a limited visual character costumization.
BG3 is bad too but at least the caharcters don't look like toys. Even if they are ugly.
Black person, they BOTH look like shit, at least Pathfinder doesn’t need to bother with BG3’s clay animations.
I thoroughly enjoy both games.
Russia lost
Kek based
The bear getting fricked in the ass was Russia all along
Vanya, you're Russian.
The only thing I miss is beast master being good and riding my companion about as a gnome, I hope someone mods that into bg3
PF has a much better character progression system and combat system for sure. But BG3 does do martial characters better with unique weapon attacks, maneuvers, throwing, improvised weapons, etc.
I like both
I'm a bit sad PF isn't as popular since it's not twitch streamable like the multiplayer option in BG + the viral marketing team behind Reddit, but it's not like it really matters. Rogue Trader will be miles better than both because d100s are infinitely superior than d20s anyways.
Before BG3, WotR was the second most popular CRPG behind DOS2
The only way RT will be any good is if GW tells Larian to frick off with their homosexual fetishes.
I wish they changed the visual style for Rogue Trader more from the Pathfinder style, it looks too bright and cartoony for 40k
too bad they fricked their good will with the spyware shit
i was going to buy RT but now it's never going to happen
yeah but they removed it unlike Larian who actually have spyware in there games.where d you think they got the data to cry about HMF from?
You are an absolutely moronic wronggay. Oh and ur seething chud
Pathfinder is just a better system than DnD. That's not Larian's fault. At the end of the day though content is king and they nailed the content, so seethe.
>mostly positive
Who the frick thought that BG3 would even have PF variety or complexity? That's clearly not where the money went. You're comparing completely different dev priorities.
OP never played paper shit
>"alright guys we're playing pathfinder"
>holy shit
>"leadership is banned"
>what about metamagic
>"no idea try it if you're ballsy"
>time to make a character
>maybe hundreds of options
meanwhile DnD has like five classes
5e has 13 classes and over 100 subclasses over all the material. You have no idea about playing at a table either apparently, or your bias is showing.
Variety maybe not but combat depth also fails in comparison to PF.
Pathfinder has zero combat depth. It has a very simple pokemon style paper, rock, scissors combat system. And you don't even need to engage with it that far. For most fights all you have to do is buff up and watch your party destroy your enemies in autocombat with their autoattacks. There's very little strategy required, outside of a few encounters. It's basically equivalent of playing a mobile gacha game where you collect waifus and items, customize your party memers, their gear and skills, and then watch your party fight by itself.
I've only played BG2, have never touched any of the modern CRPGs, so I'm curious which one people would say is the best? I'm talking about stuff like Pillars, Tyranny, Divinity OS and Pathfinder.
Pathfinder, pillars and Tyranny have Rtwp so that can be much more of your speed. imo Pathfinder is spiritual successor to old bg2 but some people will disagree with this and they are perfectly in there right to think so because god give us free will to think and act for ourselves
If you're looking for the BG2 experience, go with Pathfinder. You can't go wrong with either game (Kingmaker or WOTR), both are really good. Keep in mind that Pathfinder is a complex system and it's easy to mess up builds.
Divinity and BG3 are both great games, but they feel nothing like the old CRPGs.
Underrail.
1) Dragon Age Origins
2) Pathfinder
3) Divinity
4) Tyranny
Big gap
5) Pillars
No one fricking says Tyranny is good
I liked it apart from the ending
I literally listed it as the last anon, not my fault Pillars is so much worse.
DAO does have good combat. The boss fights are great.
>Pillars
don't POE is one of the most boring game to ever exist and i beat snes SMT 1 over 3 times
>beat snes SMT 1 over 3 times
But why, the game only has 3 endings. And the gameplay isn't that crazy.
I'd recommend you Pathfinder. I like BG3, but it plays quite differently to BG2.
Of all modern CRPGs I'd say Underrail is my favorite by far, although it's a hard game to recommend for new players
Fallouts, Arcanum.
Pathfinder Kingmaker >>>>>>>>>> Pathfinder: WOTR >>> Pillars of Eternity White March (base game is mediocre) >>> shit gap >>> Divinity Original Sin 1&2 >>>> double shit don't play it gap >>> Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire = Tyranny >>> Baldur's Gate 3.
Abyddon bros....
White march was frickign kino. I did not hate deafire as much as many here seems to ( tho most companions were mediocre and the ending was bleh) but imo it was the last great classic crpg moment. I'm enjoying wotr and kingmaker (frick, i have over 3k hours of wotr) but it's mostly due to build autism
Opinion discarded, Kingmaker was literally trash
Kingmaker is unironically better than everything else on that list and by a large margin.
It only has three weaknesses. A slow start. Kingdom management. Curse timer.
The latter two can be trivialized by selecting casual difficulty on kingdom management and/or installing the kingdom resolution mod.
>this truly awful mechanic that drags down the entire game isn't that bad if you cheat to bypass it
kingdom resolution mod doesn't fix the main story grinding to a halt when you finish an act's main quest so you have time to grind out advisor ranks
>kingdom resolution mod doesn't fix the main story grinding to a halt when you finish an act's main quest so you have time to grind out advisor ranks
It does by allowing you to change time factors.
Not that it matters. Every single other piece of content (barring maybe the House at the Edge of Time) mogs the everloving shit out of other nu-CRPGs including WOTR.
most of the content is just copy pasted squares with a single random enemy in them
Don't forget the exploration that 99% of the time gives you nothing interesting
The "one million buffs before battle" being even worse thanks to the afromeinted exploration instead of big areas to explore like the sequel
Or what might as well be the worst final dungeon I've ever seen in a crpg
>he doesn't pop Haste to speed up exploring
lol oh no no no
Not what I meant, Kingamker as a lot of dots on the world map to explore, but most of them are boring as frick and have nothing interesting
>instead of big areas to explore like the sequel
Big empty drab grey textured areas, with 2-3 green villages, full of hp blob demons.
Wotr is better when you install Toybox and cheat the crusade mechanics your point being? there is reason why Wotr is more replayable than KM.
>Wotr is more replayable than KM.
It really isn't. Try and start a new game in WOTR even with cheats and you'll be tearing your hair out by the time you get to Drezen and the Mythic paths don't have enough content to justify replaying more than one even if you handpick the ones with most content like Angel/Demon/Trickster/Aeon.
>Try and start a new game in WOTR even with cheats and you'll be tearing your hair out by the time you get to Drezen
Really? Because I've replayed it way more times than Kingmaker
>Really? Because I've replayed it way more times than Kingmaker
Some people have shit taste I realize.
WOTR is painful to replay. Everything up to Drezen is extremely heavy on the railroading and linear. After Drezen you get to pick going to a bunch of samey locations and recruiting the last few reddit-tier companions.
The open world is the worst part of Kingmaker. And WotR too, the peak of the game are the first two acts, and act 4 would be peak too if it wasn't for the shitty camera gimmick
> reddit-tier companions
Ah yes, the classic "companions bad but Kingmaker's are better even if they're written by the exact same company"
>"companions bad but Kingmaker's are better even if they're written by the exact same company"
Yes. WOTR companions are a million times worse.
Put the dialogue, even including the early pre-stag lord game when they're written like mouthy b***hes to give an excuse to make them side with Tartuccio, next to Seelah/Ember/Woljif/Nenio and tell me any random gay wouldn't consider them more reddit.
The most based thing about Baldur's Gate 3 is not saddling you with a EBIL gnome throughout the whole game
Gnome genocide now
Baiting aside since you clearly got intensely butthurt by the reddit comment.
>saddling you with a EBIL gnome
Pretty sure Regill is fully optional and even requires you to go to an optional area to recruit him.
>Pretty sure Regill is fully optional and even requires you to go to an optional area to recruit him.
he still shows up in the chapel hanged beside Irebeth but you can tell him to frick from there permenantly i think
>the gnomelover is calling other people Reddit
You should talk to your doctor about PrEP before playing something as pozzed as Cuckfinder
>the peak of the game are the first two acts,
The frick are you smoking the worst part of both games is the early linear parts where you have zero options and just get to play a particularly uninteresting railroad where the writers get free range to write shitty interjections and whine at you for not doing things right.
The story of trying to retake the city and later on, the crusade is a million times better than you just chilling on Drezen doing random quest to move the plot along
>The story of trying to retake the city and later on, the crusade is a million times better than you just chilling on Drezen doing random quest to move the plot along
It's atrocious dogshit that gives you the exact same few things to do in a very limited linear map, the only difference of which is unlocking the mythic paths and having Hulrun survive.
It's also more like retaking a single location in the city, backpatting the troony's orc husband (or not if you want them to die five acts later) and taking a slow stroll to Drezen while being told that the fujobait character wants to cry to get you into an undead fight, the ""paladin"" wants you to go help her friends bond and doing forced reactivity by telling you that you suck if you use the regular game mechanics to loot corpses but then let you retread the area a second time to get all the shit you wanted anyway.
It's like playing a particularly bad linear corridor JRPG pre-Drezen.
you mean you like the most linear and least good part of the game? Kingmaker gays truly have the most shit taste imaginable
But I like WotR more
>Kingmakergay
Why would I be a KMgay when that game is heavy on exploration and not being linear? In that case my favorite act would be 3. Are you moronic?
Some people have shit taste I realize.
Kingmaker is painful to replay. Everything up to Pitax is extremely heavy on the railroading and linear. After Pitax you get to pick going to a bunch of samey locations and wait a year for the ending
>recruiting the last few reddit-tier companions.
ah yes like Kingmaker one great and fine written companions. i still have yet to know what is reddit about the companions in Wotr
Owlcat characters are tumblr tier moronic and cringe, grow up.
Not really, but hey if you're going to say this at least don't try to pretend they differ from game to game
Shut the frick up you lost to Ukraine.
and yet here you are defending Kangmaker companions like your life depends on it.
So once instead of zero?
>Mythic paths don't have enough content to justify replaying more than one
what the frick are you smoking? literally the reason most people replay the game is to check different mythi path. Kingmaker doesn't even have this much replay value. your just being contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian at this point
You forgot the completely horrible endgame. Holy shit the house at the edge of time made me want to kill whoever designed it. The entire last act was horrible shit that dragged on for far longer than it needed to.
Not the entire last act but I agree the endgame dungeon map is atrocious.
Secret Ending path is a bit better but still not great.
You forgot the part where the story is boring, the companions are annoying, and the combat is tedious. I've had more fun with spreadsheets.
>You forgot the part where the story is boring
Story's fine. About BG1-tier.
>the companions are annoying
The companions are so much better than the rest of that list it's not even funny, the only times they act like interjecting b***hes is during the prologue. Annoying is WOTR's horrific companions.
>and the combat is tedious.
Arguable. I find WOTR's HP blobs and Tyranny's endless waves of human + 1 ranged human to be the worst examples in that list.
God i love Regill so fricking much. He's so fricking based.
One of the few bad things about Pathfinder is how ugly it is. Portraits, models, and animations are all ugly.
Like other anons said pathfinder is just a better system. Larian is actually pretty good at designing combat, as evidenced by their divinity games.
I also like the characters and story in pathfinder more. They're not amazing but BG3's just kinda suck.
Pathfinder combat is incredibly shallow, though. You click your bubble buffs button at the start of the dungeon, martials swing their weapons, casters cast their one or two god spells.
>You click your bubble buffs button at the start of the dungeon
I wish. In reality you have to spend a minute or two buffing between each pack.
That's why there is a plethora of abilities/mythic shit and enough rods to build a picket fence out of to mitigate any need to prebuff more than once per dungeon. All the tedium is self-inflicted. The game never once even tries to pretend that it's anything but a buffs and debuffs staring contest. Figuring out how to breach the high as frick AC in the minimum amount of turns before the homie caps you is the game.
>Figuring out how to breach the high as frick AC in the minimum amount of turns
By pre-buffing. That's it. That's the most efficient way to play. Yes, it is self-inflicted, but why would you deliberately play in a non-efficient way?
Fun
Try to have fun playing a non-AC biffing way and you just lose.
>By pre-buffing
No? Are you pretending there isn't a why to lower Black person's AC during combat? Putting him in flat footed state? Multiflanking with outflank feats? Most of the shit you prebuff with is for you to not die in one hit, or be immune to status effects all the long lasting bonuses for Attack are miniscule and real Black person killing shit cannot be extended beyond one fight. You can't pre buff level drain, stat drain or dispel which is still the most effective ways of clowning on some of the most moronic AC numbers.
Pathfinder certainly has vastly more in depth character development, but the actual gameplay is strictly inferior to BG3
not enough barrels to throw and oil to light up for you?
That supposed to be a bad thing? 2 words for wotr: tavern fight.
>tavern fight.
skill issue. just cast Grease or sleep or any other area CC spell you homosexual. having a good team that can fight counter anything is half the fun.
lmao it's not hard, it just reflects everything shit about the combat in that game
>combat is le bad
>why? because i have to use every ability and magic in my disposal instead of throwing barrels at each other.
filtered. go back to enjoying pleb-tier 5e combat with max lvl 12 lol
it's fricking dogshit since it boils down to the same shit you played in BG fricking two decades ago. the moron that is OP thought thinks that FRICKING CLASSES, not having a z axis and actually being tru 3d game, environmental/object interactivity, movement liek jumping and other character actions, etc. OR ANYTHING ELSE is what made BG3 good. just something about class and characters. what gets me is, the morons at Owlcat didnt bother expanding the amazing tactical options the tabletop game had, just another BG clone where you min-max with buffs while choosing you most powerful spells to counter the other min maxed guy.
>just another BG clone where you min-max with buffs while choosing you most powerful spells to counter the other min maxed guy.
You don't have to minmax in Owlcat games unless you're playing on Unfair so you just sound like an autistic whiner who can't stop himself from minmaxing.
>the combat is bad because it doesn't let me jump and do other useless shit that doesn't amount to anything in combat.
good.
Shoving is insanely good in BG3
Shoving and jumping are hugely influential on combat
Jumping is trash, because it edvalues positioning as it allows you to jump over your own dudes when they're plocking your path. All kiddinity games suffer from this problem including 3.
>needs to have Z levels
>in a dice based turn based game
You're a fricking moron.
What exactly is the issue here? I'm not following your logic.
It's shit because it's a literal slog, there's no defensive positions, enemies will literally go on a straight line to the tavern no matter how many opportunity attacks they got, no clear indication who you're supposed to kill to advance the "defense".
But what am I saying, you probably think casting the same 5 buffs every encounter is good gameplay.
>no clear indication who you're supposed to kill to advance the "defense"
Have you tried reading?
There is no indication that you're supposed to kill the alchemists and minotarus, go on, boot up the game, see for yourself.
Irabeth literally tells you to kill the arsonists, and the minotaur is fricking obvious, it's a fricking MINOTAUR, what you're going to let it walk and rape everyone on it's path?
Nothing to indicate you don't have to keep killing the cultist and the one other cultist with slightly different name i think it's cultist captain or something.
>But what am I saying, you probably think casting the same 5 buffs every encounter is good gameplay.
learn how to metamagic and enduring spells. just because you are shit in the game doesn't mean most of us aren't
>woah now you can buff 1 time out of 2 encounters
Black person, extend metamagic makes spells that last 5 minutes last 30.
And enduring spells tier 2 makes 80% of the spells last literally 24 hours, and you can get it most of your casters before even getting banished into the shadow realm in WOTR.
>I have to use every ability
>literally just use one of the single best spells in the early game
>entire fight is solved
this is literally 1 of 2 long fights in the entire game, the other being the ghoul and nabasu pit in drezen.
Most fight end in 1-2 rounds
Why are you homosexuals still pretending to like crpg combat?
I'm enjoying BG3 for the most part but it really is very sterile and soulless. Its clear the focus of the game was mainstream appeal in every aspect.
Evil choices are laughable and unfinished.
Progression system is boring and thoughtless.
Characters are all just clones of Dos2 with extra horny
Inventory and Party management are a chore.
Max level 12 and only a party of 4.
Even on Tactician the game is laughably easy.
It has its strong point but I'm itching for another Pathfinder playthrough right after more than anything.
I wonder who is Valerie-anons favorite cute girl in BG3.
Shadowheart. someone asked back during the ea
is pathfinder turnbased?
i dont like rtwp i only havent played the pathfinder games because i dislike those.
someone mentioned they added turn based combat though.
Kingmaker added it in the EE and WotR came with it
You can play it in real time, but you will suffer.
I have no idea how anyone even played the late game in Kingmaker on release when there was no turn based mode.
yes. it has both rtwp and Tb.
I can make memebuilds in wotr so it wins in my book, I can't even make a viable barehand/fists build in bg3
>I can make memebuilds in WotR
1 level dips into Vivi or Monk doesn't make it a meme build. Making Monk work in BG3 really isn't that hard with how much itemization there is for Monk specifically.
Memebuilds are shit like trucks of peace and saxton hale
>she's a well written character because she's True Neutral and acts nothing like a Shar worshipper despite that being her entire background and reason for being
"""good"""
meant for
pathfinder combat is only about optimisation and buff. It s god damn boring to stack the +1 bonus just to be able to fricking hit a boss and not be oneshot. Don't know for BG3 but hell, there is nothing tactical in this game.
I slapped a few mods on WOTR so I could do sorc->eldritch knight lich with a magus dip and use spell strike + spell combat with the full caster spellbook, its stupid fun doing spell combat corrupt magic into full round attack that crits and gives me a swift spell that I use to spellstrike a greater curse for ANOTHER full round attack.
>Pathfinder's combat mogs Baldur's Gate 3 and its not even fricking close.
Pathfinder RPG also has about 10x the splatbook content compared to 5E, and the system is way more bloated with a billion feats, 500 archetypes, and so many garbage options that brick your ability to function in combat. I'm not saying either is better, they're just two different systems.
Both games are great and are in my top 5 games I've ever played
You can turn into a lich at act 5, that alone makes it automatically better than bg3
>turning into a dick less troon undead is better
no way gay .
5e is shit. It is known.
larian could barely implement what 5e shit they could, pathfinder would be too much system for them to handle
i died to spiders that i cant hit in a cave after fighting like 10 bandits
great combat lul
>buff 5 years before fight
no
>map exploring
no
>kingmaking shit
no
locations that consist of 1 area but loading 5 minutes
no
bg3 is not very good. but pathfinder games are painful to play
jesus, the average bg3 troony is as moronic as they look.
How did "i hate the current thing" become such a big personality trait for loners on Ganker?
Contrarians have always been a thing. But there's a lot of /vpol/ political tourism usually. I'm actually surprised they haven't shat up this thread whining about THE BEAR or THE BUGBEAR scene for the 100000000th time.
>they haven't shat up this thread whining about THE BEAR or THE BUGBEAR scene for the 100000000th time.
because Owlgays are also degenerates who are into dogs and handholding
>into dogs
projecting your best white woman dogpill are you?
>projecting your best WHITE woman dogpill are you?
>85% of beastiality offenders are white
Are you trying to convince me that statistically it's likely you're dogpilled too?
>86% male
Bros... How do white women get away with it?
Is there a white woman cabal making sure the stats for gender get reversed?
>But there's a lot of /vpol/ political tourism usually.
It's so fricking bad this morning. Most of Ganker and Ganker threads right now are just political whining.
maybe you are the tourist, homosexual
>maybe you are the tourist, homosexual
ask me how i know youre a tourist
go ahead, tell me.
It's gonna be funny
only a nugay would respond is how I know LMAO
wow, that's more moronic than i tought.
Why are you calling others tourist, homosexual?
Not that anon. But he's right you are a fricking nugay if you think Ganker isn't overrun with /vpol/ tourists. I suppose you could be one of those /vpol/ tourists.
come on,
it's okay to be a homosexual, it's also fine to remember that not everyone will suck the troony dick. You might be very upset about this simple fact of life, but you should try and understand it already
homosexuals are disgusting, and nothing you will do or say will change this. if that bother you, have a nice day
what are you even rambling on about /vpol/ gay?
I'm calling you a mentally defective homosexual, and reminding you that no amount of dilating will change the fact that people hate your kind, cope and seethe
no one CARES anon about your obvious /vpol/ ramblings
you did, you mentally defective subhuman, that's the whole point. You called me a tourist for calling BG3 a troony game.
No amount of furious seething will change this little tidbit. Again, if that bothers you so much, why not have a nice day? That would soolve both our problems.
tldr sorry that happened or happy for you /vpol/ tourist
seeing you seethe was fun, don,t worry i don't expect better from mental defects
okay newbies.
remember TORtanic? Or was that too long ago? GamerGate? No?
this has always been a thing on Ganker but especially after those two events it has absolutely flooded the frick out of Ganker for every new release and any shitty e-celeb drama
>TORtanic
>GamerGate
Actual mental deficiency here. Shitting MMOs aside. This isn't a nugay test. Because everyone in the last decade who's played videogames has heard of GamerGate.
When did "hating on Ganker" become such a big personality trait for tourists on Ganker?
>if you don't hate video games you're a tourist
Good one
2016
>Prebufffinder
>better combat
Good joke
>cast Haste on Wizard
>cast Prayer on Cleric
>cast Death Ward too if dealing with energy drain
there you go anon you now know the secret to prebuffing and should easily be able to beat any Owlcat game on normal
you forgot Heroism and mind blank. you didn't beat the game
>Heroism and mind blank
Uhhh anon don't you mean GREATER Heroism? I bet you also didn't prebuff Divine Favor, Communcal Resist Element, Communal Protections, Stoneskin, Greater Magic Weapon, Displacement, Barkskin, Legendary Proportions and everyone animal enhancement buff? You clearly didn't beat the game.
>Displacement
What's the point when almost every demon in the game has permanent True Seeing?
>le dispel
I'm not wasting dispel on some homosexual Minotaur.
>True Seeing?
Mindblank protects you from all divination spells, like True Seeing. Also, most fodder enemies don't have true seeing, what are you talking about?
Not that anon. But does Mind Blank ingame actually block True Sight? That said I would agree that come like chapter 4 there's definitely a lot of demons with always active True Sight.
>But does Mind Blank ingame actually block True Sight?
Yes, that's the reason you still miss against bosses like Playful Darkness even though you have true sight. If you want to bypass concealment regardless of the enemy buffs then you need something like Echolocation. The only exception to this being Areelu's aspect of Areshkagal, which gives her 50% unpassable concealment.
I'm not talking about fodder like Babau (even if they too have see invisibility). Displacement is basically irrelevant for Mid game before you get mindblank and by the time you get it any concealment should be also irrelevant since ideally they shouldn't even be able to have a chance to hit you or overcome your AC and Greater Invisibility just becomes a better choice by that point too.
ins't she supposed to be an unparalleled beauty everyone wants to frick?
Is the ascension ending of WOTR worth the trouble of playing the game like a shopping list to trigger it?
nope. just do it only if you are bored because the final boss fight against Bapho and Deskari-kun isn't even that great
Only if literally none of the mythic paths even slightly interest you. It's even less satisfying than romancing Nerissa in Kingmaker for fey wife ending.
Is Alchemist Lich a thing I could do in WotR?
yeah but Trickster->legend Grenadier+arcane bomber is better because 20d6 bombs and 9th spells
Thanks, I'll give it a try. I just like the idea of a skeleton homie who raises the dead with potions and shit instead of being some grand wizard.
Yeah, I think liches' get some unique interactions with bombs like turning the damage into negative energy and draining stats with each bomb. I'm not completely sure though
>no Nenio romance
It's shit. At least in BG3 I can romance Lae'zel.
>t. 1600 hours in wotr
I really enjoyed the two Pathfinder games.
But no.
I just played Pathfinder WOTR a couple months ago. While I'm enjoying BG3 more so far, Pathfinder's combat is better in SOME ways.
1. Way more build variety and complexity. Even when minmaxing you can customize your characters pretty efficiently IF you know what you're doing.
2. Larger party allows more interactions
3. Combat log is fantastic. It explains the numbers behind every single action.
4. RTWP toggle works incredibly well; you can literally switch between RTWP and TB at any time during combat. TB also has a fast forward toggle.
5. Mythic paths are fricking great. Your character gradually becomes a god
6. You will be my next sacrifice
But it's also worse in some ways.
1. The need for buffs before every fight on higher difficulties. Even with spell duration mythic, you still have to spend a couple minutes buffing every party member after rest.
2. There is too much combat. Everything ends up as a fight. The solution to everything is to fight
3. Almost 0 environmental factors in combat. It really is just a numbers game which gets stale quickly, and is exacerbated by my last point. BG3 (and even DOS2 to a lesser degree) make good use of environment to give players an advantage if they look out for them.
4. The rules are more obscure, making it less accessible to new players. Though the glossary and combat log help a lot.
5. Difficulty doesn't scale well. When you turn up the difficulty, all it does is boost enemy stat numbers, which means the only way to address this is to find ways to boost your own numbers. BG3 actually changes enemy behavior
So I wouldn't say PF mogs BG3 in combat, but it certainly has things I'd have liked to see in BG3.
There is an option for additional enemy behaviors on the difficulty menu, it's on by default on Hard difficulty and above, so it's very likely you haven't seen it, since most people play on Core.
Most people absolutely do not play on Core, if they do they look up a build because Core is fricked. Blackwater at launch on Normal with a bunch of stuff turned up slightly more like full crits, no deaths door, no dispelling debuffs etc was fricking stupid. The two big frick ups with Owlcat's two games is balance and encounter design. Everything is stat-bloated, and its like someone has pre-designed mob "packs" and they drop them all over a map like its SpeedTree because its so boring to wipe a group then right after a near identical pack of filler weaklings is right there to purposely try to make my buffs fall off by wasting my time on filler fights I could never lose with my buffs.
I tried to get into pathfinder until I learned how absolutely lazy they were with the difficulty settings, and making a moderately tuned warrior turns everything into chunks at level 1 on normal
Thank you for your assumptions. Additional enemy behaviors simply adds spells and abilities enemies can use. It does NOT change their AI. In BG3 tactician mode enemies will actually endeavor to kill you in addition to extra abilities.
>In BG3 tactician mode enemies will actually endeavor to kill you in addition to extra abilities.
And enemies in Wrath of the Righteous DON'T try to game you over? BG3 advanced AI is basically just the AI trying to snipe concentrating characters and having the martials eat 20x AoO trying to leap onto your wizard.
You're now being disingenuous. In PF enemies will simply attack whoever is closest or whoever proced their aggro, regardless of difficulty.
You've never had enemies rush towards your mages like Ember?
They would almost always rush toward my MC (sorc) who proced aggro. They would sometimes even die from AoOs in their attempts.
Did we play the same game? Yeah martials might hug each other out. But there's definitely a whole lot rangers, mages, TPing demons, etc who will absolutely not respect your martial frontline.
>In PF enemies will simply attack whoever is closest or whoever proced their aggro, regardless of difficulty.
Not him, but they won't. They didn't do so before on core+ and they especially don't do this after one of the relatively recent patches that specifically spiced up enemy targeting AI.
When it comes to complexity and tactical depth, kiddinity 3 combat gets gigamogged by pathfinder combat, but pathfinder combat at the highest level of optimization boils down to winning encounters in 1 round while in kiddinity 3 you actually get to play something through multiple rounds and watch your dudes hit the enemy dudes with swords and shiiiet instead of everyone just getting insta killed/disabled by your wizard.
>When it comes to complexity and tactical depth, kiddinity 3 combat gets gigamogged by pathfinder combat
absolute nonsense
Lmao you fricking moron you have neve played wrath on unfair and have never made a proper build. I'm playing kiddinity 3 right now and it's primitive kiddie shit compared to pathfinder combat, you can't even delay your turn AHAHAHAHA.
You seem like a massive moron
I accept your tearful concession, shit eating animal. Post your unfair Areelu kill, until you do so your opinions are worth less than dogshit.
BUILDS are not COMBAT. A complicated martial build in Pathfinder with 5 different dips is going to be doing the exact same thing every combat as a pure 2-handed fighter
No, it won't be, if you build it that way, you fricking moron. You can build characters to act in combat however you want. Even martials in pathfinder have a better arsenal of actually effective combat maneuvers.
Yes, it will be. Maybe you're picking between Cleave or Cornugon Smash or Vital Strike or TWF but you'll still just be basic attacking for the entire game
>recent patches
Yes and BG2 with SCS mod that specific sets out to frick with people who have thousands of hours in BG2 is worth discussing.
>When it comes to complexity and tactical depth, kiddinity 3 combat gets gigamogged by pathfinder combat
Explain what you mean by complexity and tactical depth. It seems like you're just throwing those words out without thinking about what you're actually saying.
In terms of complexity of builds, absolutely. It's one of my favorite things about the game. Combat itself is very simple (higher numbers = win), but the means to reach that simplicity CAN be a bit complex. If you know how to buff your party correctly, it is very simple.
In terms of "tactical depth" you're either wrong or have a very different definition of what that means. Every fight is essentially the same, with 0 environmental factors. The fights only vary in what annoyances enemies can throw at you.
>Thank you for your assumptions
I wasn't trying to assume anything, I just wanted to bring to light a fairly obscure difficulty option that increases the difficulty while not necessarily being a direct stat buff.
Some of the things you're saying is literally an issue between 3.5 edition D&D and 5e D&D. They dramatically lowered the need to "a million buffs before fights" in 5e by limiting powerful buffs to Concentration spells so you have to be picky, and designed enemies accordingly. More about the base system than the game design itself.
>BG3 (and even DOS2 to a lesser degree) make good use of environment to give players an advantage if they look out for them.
This is the deal breaker for me as to why Larian games (pure gameplay only) are better than Owlcat's.
Also the buffing part is really annoying.
>1. The need for buffs before every fight on higher difficulties. Even with spell duration mythic, you still have to spend a couple minutes buffing every party member after rest.
I got used to it but tried the BUBBLES buff mod out of curiosity, its a surprisingly good UI and so on. You just select all the buffs you want applied and then you press the apply button and zips through instant casting them all in a second and bob's your uncle. I was expecting it to be much jankier.
>3. Combat log is fantastic. It explains the numbers behind every single action.
I wish it would explain where the fricking concealment comes from. Enemy has no special effects on them, I've got true seeing and no debuffs, and somehow I'm getting hit with 20% and 50% concealment chances and no idea why.
Meanwhile in BG3
Repurpose should have let you turn enemies into companions. Make them follow you around. The undead companions with their dialogue could have just been content you get if you repurpose certain NPCs.
I can't wait until Trump gets thrown in jail so all of the /misc/gays will be distracted elsewhere
can you fricks just leave vidya alone
Larian makes games for Black person tier morons
Owlcat makes games for Black person tier midwits
Obsidian made games for midwits
Bioware is on life support in a government facility
>Bioware is on life support in a government facility
it's okay. their new mass effect will shine the way for new golden age for bioware. mass effect 5 will be the bestest space opera game ever
>full buff
>auto move with martials and summons/pets and trip/AoO crit fish
ah yeah, great combat that BG2 also suffered from. Permanently shit AI that can't deal with pathfinding, target acquisition and takes AoO out the ass. RTwP games ALL suffer from filler fights, if the system is so good why is there always so many random trash fights like 15 seconds apart?
I want to love the Owlcat PF games, not a big fan of rtwp but I could get over that. I just hate hate hate hate the type of kitchen sink fantasy pathfinder embodies. Nothing feels grounded with these gazillion races and asspulled worldbuilding that doesn't make much sense.
The mythic path system feels like a good way to get diverse RP runs but the game offers a thematically very shallow narrative in most of them (probably because nothing feels very grounded).
Granted Faerun has its fair share of asspulled bullshit (spellplague just ugh), but these were never a big part of the narrative in the games.
Yeah, the generic demons from demonland didn't really excite me much.
Pathfinder is the indisputable king of build customization, but what is it good for when the encounters are braindead and combat is trash? Tell me what's the point of your autistic minmaxed super special snowflake build when all it accomplishes is getting through trash mob fight #1384 a few seconds faster? How is it possible for a game with so many classes, skills and feats to have worse combat than 20 year old BG2?
>warring thread
Christ, I just want to talk about Pathfinder.
The last few threads that didn't die 50 replies in only worked when we baited BG3gays into arguing about which one is better, that's the only way for these threads to survive during the BG3 hype
Sad but true
pathfinder is so unpopular it's sad, but somehow so is BG3. It's actually crazy how unpopular BG3 is on twitch, who the frick is buying this game?
Sorry but I don't care about what twich e-celebs do, BG3 is extremely popular, WotR was the second (now third) most played CRPG on steam and we used to have almost daily threads, it's natural for them to slow down amidst the BG3 hype
>BG3 is extremely popular
Where? not on youtube, not on twitch
On Steam, you know, where people play games rather than watch them
>gets 7 gorillion players on steam
>twitch is getting like 10k views for the top guy
something doesn't add up
Yeah, people are busy playing the fricking game instead of watching their favorite e-celeb play it, fricking zoomer
>people would rather play a story-heavy RPG than watch someone else play
>IT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE
It’s the kind of game you play, not watch, unless it’s a really entertaining co-op campagin. If Asmongold and McConnell play together that will get tons of views
Twitch doesn't translate to players, especially in a story heavy game.
>Twitch doesn't translate to players
>one of the largest games in steam history
>barely a peep on youtube or twitch
hmm
The biggest people on Twitch are people like XQC who can't even watch a Youtube video without pausing. The big views on Youtube are all from kid-adjacent stuff or stuff that appeals to kids
Not even reddit has any posts about it
Ah, you're one of them WoW players who seethes about XIV not doing big numbers on twitch and thinks its some epic gotcha?
>game isn't popular on Twitch
>therefore it can't be popular
people really are coming full circle now
why are zoomers like this
using twitch as a metric for how popular a game is shows how completely and utterly incapable of forming their own opinions they are.
>needs to have their parasocial e-celeb playing it to be interested
>also needs to have enough other mindless idiots sucked in to watching it
It's two levels of brainless conformity
Cyberpunk also sold well and had a lot of players playing it when it came out.
>no interest on twitch
>no interest on youtube
>no interest on reddit
What's left, twitter? facebook?
tiktok?
How about forming your own opinions rather than letting social media and influences tell you what to think
>it's not popular because I'm fricking moronic and blind
jesus christ
>Where
On people's computers
The frick? What kind of post is this?
Are you valuing game watchers over game players?
It's the third most popular game/category on twitch right now, and the most popular single player game on youtube according to google trends. KYS schizotroony.
>most popular single player game on youtube according to google trends
what other single player games are there
show me your achievments, come on.
at least when I crit in BG3 it makes a cool sound effect with bloodsplatter
In PF? Oh I swing my sword the way it always swings
I ran one party through both Pathfinder games because all the classes played the same and so many abilities were renamed versions of the same thing.
In BG3 I regularly swap party members because they're all useful and play very differently.
I know people like Arueshalae but Nocticula is better.
Owlcat's game would be more popular if they didn't make them ugly as hell. WOTR and Kingmaker is understandably ugly but Rogue Traders should have looked better. There isn't much improvements between each game.
looks nice to me
You may not like it but this is how peak Unity looks like.
looks okay. not every game need to have a hyper realistic artstyle.
Pathfinder made by owlcat is absolute fricking shit especially WOTR
gameplay, story, world, mechanics its all shit
inb4 cry about le woke, dont care + pathfinder is literally made by trannies for trannies
>Load up Pathfinder
>Pick literally any class with no dipping
>Entirely core viable assuming you aren't shit
>Have unique class based mechanics like bloodrage giving spell effects or Hunter getting to distract enemies to give their pet a bonus
This confuses and angers the bland 5e gays.
too bad you cant see any of this cool shit happening because everything looks the same in PF combat
Oh no the kickstarter devs didn't spend 3 years coding in gay animations for every different spell and instead just released a game with over 200 mechanically distinct spells.
which is lame if it doesn't translate into, you know, cool gameplay
Might as well open spreadsheets while a gif of guys klanging swords together plays next to it.
At least on tabletop you can use your imagination better than rtwp bullshit
have a nice day. Throwing barrels at enemies then using a cantrip to blow it up isn't interesting gameplay. Learning the intricacies of a class to maximize your damage output is.
>number go up good gameplay
listen to yourself man
what about pouring lava onto the battlefield to soften up an adamantine golem then luring it over to a giant forge hammer and then smashing it with said forge hammer
Bloodrager: Buff then rage into combat
Barbarian: Buff then rage into combat
Cleric: Buff then domain rage into combat
Wizard: Buff then the Skald rages you into combat
Bard: buff then sing into combat
Fighter: buff then run into combat
Paladin: Buff then smite into combat
Shifter: Buff then shifts into combat
So many different ways to create a Pajama Fighter that cannot be hit and kills everything with autoattacks. Such joy.
>Buffing trivializes and breaks the game
you don't say anon. if you hate buffing so much than just play the game on easy.
Which is true until you actually fight anything and it's dead within the first few turns making all of the build variety practically useless. I like BG3 and WOTR but fights in WOTR feel super anti-climatic. Kingmaker is a better game than WOTR because at least enemies stay alive a bit longer.
>because at least enemies stay alive a bit longer
lol
lmao
Sounds like you just don't know how to break Kingmaker
Just like my japanese doujins!
My Ranger-Lord walked up the final boss of chapter 6 and crit exploded him. It was so fast that his dead body still summoned his wife thing.
The late game of Kingmaker is figuring out how to wipe out hordes and hordes of Wild Hunt before they can crit you from across the map. It's the most ass cancer part of the game, where it is essential to disable the monarch as fast as you can before he gets the party started real good.
Don't forget it also has ghosts showing up randomly mid dungeon and you hoping your death wards from earlier haven't run out.
>Kingmaker is a better game than WOTR because at least enemies stay alive a bit longer.
laugh at this idiot. Kingmaker enemies are even easier than Wotr because you can cheese them more easily because they aren't demon with high resistance and immunity to everything.
Can you explain how a magus is that much different than an eldritch knight, or just crossclassing fighter/sorc fighter/wizard?
spellcombat class feature that allows magus to cast offensive spells through their weapons. they also have an arcane pool system that allows them to give their attacks various enhancements like changing damage type or targeting touch AC
I prefer pathfinder combat, but BG3 is one of the best games ever made whereas pathfinder will always be a buggy unoptimized piece of shit in comparison
I just ran into a bug in BG3 that forced me to reload because the very important game prompt to forward the plot would only show up for a single frame before disappearing. Definitely very not buggy anon.
If you think BG3's bugs are comparable to Pathfinder's, then lol
>If you think BG3's bugs are comparable to Pathfinder's, then lol
Do I think a buggy CRPG is a lot like another buggy CRPG? Yes. Do I think it's stupid to compare these two like this because all CRPGs are buggy and whining about it shows how nugay you are to the genre? Yes. Do I think BG3 is buggier than Pathfinder (WotR I assume you mean) because I've personally experienced more softlocks? Also yes.
You shouldn't because WOTR had an entire mythic path completely break the game at launch
that's like every Mythic path homie. even GD and Devil can break the game into two
No I mean picking a certain mythic path literally hardlocked progression because it was broken
So? What part of "CRPGs are buggy messes" don't you understand? You're not going to convince me one is objectively buggier than the other. Because from my perspective having played every single worthwhile isometric CRPG in the past 25 years this isn't any different. You sound like a whiner.
>You're not going to convince me one is objectively buggier than the other
WOTR had like a fifth of it's content uncompletable for weeks.
I literally beat WotR in the first 2 weeks the game came out and the worst softlock I had was from using a certain mine shaft elevator at the end of chapter 4. Cry some more.
You know that on release lich and swarm were both bugged right?
So? I'll even do you one better and point out that the entire Skald class didn't work either. Could you imagine? A CRPG game where one of the sub/classes doesn't work properly? Truly crazy. Only Owlcat could ever do such a thin-
>except many of subclasses in BG1-2 don't work properly
>if you import a multiclassed specialized Wizard into BG2 the game bugs out and reverts to a Generalist Wizard and nothing short of modding your save will fix this
>nevermind all the important NPCs that can easily be killed despite having items to prevent death and softlock your game
Owlcat games are notably buggier than their contemporaries. Kingmaker was unfinishable at launch without Bag of Tricks
>notably buggy
are you new? Baldur's Gate 1 was also "notably buggy". So much so that you HAVE to mod the original game to even be playable. Everyone knows this. Of course you COULD use the EE version but stupid purists will whine and moan about the optional characters you can just tell to frick off.
>old game doesn't work on modern operating systems
what point did you think you were making here
>new game has the exact same fricking problems as the old game
maybe modern games are the real problem?
>So much so that you HAVE to mod the original game to even be playable.
No.
homosexuals mod the game because they wanted to use BG2 engine shit and trivialize the game.
There's barely any notable bugs in BG1.
you're moronic. there are plenty of people on this very forum that'll tell you to not mod your game and instead use a widescreen and bug fix mod like. myself included on many occasions. but only if you're a loser who can't into EE.
>EE
Is literally a modded BG that changes things around and includes moronic shit from BG2 like kits and Sorcerers.
>waahhhhh all these features I don't want to use and don't have to use but i still want to complain about wahhhhhh
have a nice day
>rebalances the classes
>changes encounters to give more strong items
>incorporates literal fan mod shit
>PLAY EE DON'T PLAY ORIGINAL
Kill
Yourself
The exact same thing that Tutu's mod does you mean? Except most poeple on here circlejerk each other off to Tutu's because "at least it's not EE amirite". have a nice day even faster now.
>The exact same thing that Tutu's mod does you mean?
Yes.
No one should be using Tutu either.
Now frick off and die modderhomosexual.
>playing original BG1-2 unmodded
I thought this whole argument was about how buggy games were and how they shouldn't be? Yet here you are arguing that players should play THE SECOND most bug ridden CRPG game.
>bug-ridden
>now synonymous with it not applying gay modder headcanon how classes "ought" to work
Like I said have a nice day.
>modder headcanon
but it's okay when Obsidian makes shit up right cause they "made the game"? have a nice day
House at the edge of FUN was ok
Another Stockholm syndrome victim. Get him the frick out of here.
I'll take wotrs inane pre-buffing hell over choosing between using magic weapon, bless or hold person at the same time. Seriously, it's so fricking stupid that I can't have a flaming sword and use the good spells at the same time.
Same except with Haste and Slow. Why use Haste on a single ally when I can Slow up to 6 enemies?
Because enemies can be immune to slow, but your teammates will always accept haste.
Except obviously not because I have ran into exactly zero (0) enemies immune to Slow and I'm on well into Act 2 on Tactician
Is that so?
Enjoy yourself going forward.
I will thank you
That's just because 3.5 and Pathfinder 1e are better frameworks for video games. 5e is a moronic system of compromises in comparison.
Larian can only do so much to make 5e fun to play.
The voice acting and dialogue in bg3 doesn't make me want to blow my brains out like in that pf garbage.
Owlcat fricking sucks.
For me the biggest issue is absolutely horrible quest design in BG3.
Like, just look at that funeral quest from Rogue Trader beta. You have several choices and several more choices inside those choices. And its pretty hilarious without descending into shit and reddit.
This quest and your interaction with it feels like another part of world, even though the whole world is pretty static.
BG3 feels empty, you can interact with every part of the world you're given but it feels gamey. There is absolutely no immersion.
>gauge
I hate the English language so goddamn much.
I think both larian and owlcat are equally talented
larian have infinitely more money and design games for a much wider audience
owlcat design games for a narrower audience
I dont like the lulrandom humor and "anvil falls on boss" shenanigans that larian loves, and I dont like how they think hacking the game by finding shortcuts to everything makes for engaging gameplay. it just removes the complexity.
I dont like how owlcat sometimes just gives up on technical aspects (unity engine is garbage true, but fix your damn game's gpu usage). I know they have limited money, but cmon
I think people are unfairly intimidated by the pathfinder 1e system. it's literally less complex than dnd 2.5 and og bg games were successful. Read the fricking tooltips, number goes up, that's it. Calm the frick down with the "wotr class creation gave me ptsd". It's not that complicated
obsidian? a badly managed company with no talent left. their best game (pillars 1) wasn't understood (it had really strong writing, thematically consistent accross all main and side quests, zahua was the best side quest of any rpg ever) but morons only remembered the backer npcs (200h and i still never read a single one). Deadfire was failed in many aspects (one of them not being "pirate themed" because it was not pirate themed, pirates were 1 of the 4 factions, another normie misconception)
>Wotr
Act 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest
At least the KMgay hasn't pulled the
>it's... le comfy
meme argument
BG3 is DOS3 and not real rpg
Wrath of the Righteous is good power fantasy
Kingmaker is great adventure in untamed lands
/thread
both are troony shit
Is Druid a good class to play as? i want ot rp as a Azata Druid with the spellbook merge mod because it add some offensive natural spells to druid.
Druid is fine. You get some good spells like stormbolts naturally, but your principal problem is being a prepared caster, which stops you from getting chainlightning from stormlords bracers
Azata absolute best application is zappy magic chain lightning , because it does multiply the spell by 2, 40d6 lightning before the + dmg per dice
Personally if you want to be a divine caster azata i would go oracle with wind + nature, which is pretty thematic, and at 20 gives you free empower, and obviously lets you have chain lightning
With something like elemental carnage hide armor, bolster metamagic and aroden's amulet you can easily 600+ lightning on everyone, It's very satisfying.
thanks for the tip. i also wanted to use shape change and summons too but i guess Oracle better in that department. thanks for the tip.
Mutt warrior with second breath mutagen exploit? yeah i know about that one
Azata has the access to the strongest martial class in the game but you'll have to find it yourself
Druid just like Witch is garbage. both of them gets mogged by Shaman. if you want to play as a bear homosexual than play Shifter or go sorcerer Azata for a great blaster caster build which can CC with favorable magic too
>KM
Clowns
>WotR
Circus
>BG3
homosexuals
how hard is it to play on core for kingmaker if i have no pathfinder experience?
Stick to normal
Normal is normal.
Core is for replaying when you know how game works and what to expect.
Play on Normal.
Put Kingdom Management on Casual not Automatic.
Expect things to be meh until you've killed the Stag Lord.
Scalp all russians
what is a reddit companion?
Synonym for "X I don't like"
how much time do i need to wait until BG3 releases last DLC and fully patched?
Like 2.5 years or more considering they have incentive to milk it.
i am a patient man.
besides, i love 90% discounts
I honestly don't consider it playable in it's current state.
Even the gay shit aside you can't even make a custom party because they locked out console commands and save editing hasn't been solved yet.
>Cast 15 buffs.
>Charge.
Yeah, riveting.
somehow trounces bg3. impressive
Fighting the frickin drunk kobolds that explode if you kill them with fire damage was more interesting than any fight in WOTR
Utterly devastated, the Owlcuck is forced to deploy their most potent weapon: cope
Obsidian trannies decided that pre-buffing is an outdated thing which nobody likes (according to reddit posters) and released Pillars of Eternity.
lol
>Prebuffing before combat is bad!
>Better to just use one million buffs on every fight instead
>Better to just use one million buffs on every fight instead
no idea what are you talking about. I only play on Core difficulty and ignore anything that is above it and Nightmare.
I was agreeing with you dumb moron, PoE doesn't have prebuffing, but you have to buff like an idiot every fight instead
>pathfinder kingmaker: lets you level up to 20
>divinity 3: only up to level 12 cause something something lore breaking laziness
Pathfinder is what happens when devs want to see their fanbase suffer.I finished Kingmaker and was able to reach act 3 in WOTR before giving up. The game is unreasonably picky even when playing on normal. I reached the village where some guy was destroying the barrier which kept the demons away and couldn't get any further than that.Thats after going through encounters where enemies respawn because you need to find phylacteries randomly, encounters where you either defeat a high difficulty enemy or be forever locked out of entering the place where he was, and main quests where you really really have to fight an enemy that not only doesn't take damage but actively heals all damage you deal to him. If Stanton's brother encounter was in a Larian game you could have teleported from the balcony and avoid that encounter. Owlcat is pure garbage . You guys mistook actual difficulty with wasting your time. Some moronic shitposters who don't even play videogames and pray for tortanics tricked you into thinking your torture simulator is somehow better
>getting filtered by fricking Joran
How frickign trash are the BG3 cucks at videogames
>got assfricked by a literal dwarf
>by Fricking Staunton brother no less
I know its shocking that even with prebuffs and researched characters you can't get past that guy.
I would understand making fun of me for some random encounter but that guy legit didn't take any damage even with buffs on. I don't really know how people can praise this game. I finished Kingmaker so i do have a basic understanding of the game.
>but that guy legit didn't take any damage even with buffs on.
laugh at this Black person who got filtered by Joren of all people. fricking Joren rekt anon shit build even tho he is a minor npc and the mini-boss is downstairs from his workshop
How come people who defend Owlcat to the death always post anime reaction images?
Maybe it's because we're in an anime website
I can understand your complaint about lack of roleplaying in Owlcat games, but I'll make fun of you anyway for being so fricking bad at the game you got filtered by Jowan of all people
Uhm, sweaty, maybe you should have put more penis options, homosexual romances and trannies in your game, then people would play it? We don't care about dated, neanderthal chud gameplay here.
what happened to wife scholar. the only thing i hated about this game but now kind of miss
he post on Rpgcodex now
Rangebanned
One thing I don't understand is why no one actually discusses bg3.
Like, think back to all those wotr threads and compare it to all the shit that bg3 has.
the gameplay consist of throwing barrels at each other and fricking bears. it's not comparable to Pathfinder complexity at all no matter how much Bg3 gays think it is
WOTR wasn't on the radar of the Shazam morons.There is no fricking way there are 30 threads up right now made by people who actually play BG3 in good faith. I do understand that it has lots of flaws but the shitposting is insane
I asked the same question in 3 BG threads and nobody answered.
More telling all the people who were shilling BG3 during EA are fricking dead silent on /vrpg/ now.
anyone actually interested in talking about the game abandoned Ganker for /vg/ during the initial bear meltdown
You are correct.
s having sons the ultimate cuckoldry?
I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than having a son. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are feeding, clothing, raising and rearing a boy for at least 18 years solely so he can go and get ravaged by some redeemed succubus. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little boy - reading him prayers to Deskari at bedtime, making him do sarkorian rituals, making sure he drinks plenty of mythic juice, teaching magic to him, summoning balors with him. All of it has one simple result: his body is more enjoyable for the Succubus that will eventually frick him.
Raised the perfect boy? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random demon who had nothing to do with the way he grew up, who marries him. She gets to frick his wiener every night. She gets the benefits of his kind and sweet personality that came from the way you raised him.
As a woman who has a son, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 20 years of your life simply to raise a boy for another woman to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically.
wait, baldurs gate is isometric? I thought it's like dao
you fell for the marketing
You can do either
Is Kingmaker any good? It's on sale right now. Also, why is it getting mixed reviews?
It's good once you get past the first 60-90 minutes i'd say. Once you've recruited everyone into your party and taken on the Staglord it gets going.
It has issues like the aforementioned kingdom minigame and the endgame dungeon being trash but otherwise it's fun.
It's probably just people getting filtered because the game is a pain in the ass to understand
No it doesn't. Kingmaker is balanced horribly. The amount of useless 1 round spells and abilities is frustrating. Spells that are cast on opponents have to undergo a will save and unless they're a weakshit Kobold you could crush in two swings, they're beating that spell check. Having some spells autofail on creatures less than a certain number of hit dice is moronic, because creatures with that low of hit dice you can kick the shit out of anyways.
The only good spells are heals and AC raising. There's like five different AC raising spells, so every hard fight becomes one where you just have to sort of stack a bunch of AC raising stuff on your party before the fight.
And most of this is fresh out of the rulebook, meaning it's not just the game but the Pathfinder system that sucks.
>do prebuff ritual
>shit on an enemy that might as well just be a regular guy but with a lot of ac
>repeat regardless of game for every single important battle
i never heard a bigger lie than pathfinder requires brainpower or thinking
and it's still better than bg3, wow. trannies really are fricking moronic huh
nah even the most basic bg3/dos2 battles have more thought, and intrigue that can play out in far far far far more ways than even bosses in any other crpg.
its literally just factual.
im saying this as a fan of bg 1/2 icewind dale 2, classic fallout games i hate pathfinder but i still seen them to there endings, dos1/2 and bg3.
honestly i just think its pathfinder gays are coping per the usual. pathfinder feels and play decades behind other games its crazy and its weird you homies wanna scream woke nonstop when pathfinder shoves strong female black paladins down your throat, interracial ugly lesibian couples, sisters that want to share you because its fans are 14 year old boys, and the plot is just a linear boring as frick prebuff fight after prebuff fight with trash enemies who just have a lot of ac in never changing drab as frick gray filed or green filled screen depending on wotr or kingmaker.
my only regret is that i actually payed for both pathfinder games and i think you guys only like them because they are seen as the "le hardcore" games because your fricking moronic boomers that care about gamer cred uniornically lol
tldr?
>look at me i have x amount of hours in this classic game
no one cares you attention prostitute. BG3 and Dos2 are shit and Pathfinder is a better spiritual successor to old BG1/2 than bear gates 3
>Pathfinder is a better spiritual successor to old BG1/2
wanting spiritual successors aka just the same thing but worse
lol pathfinder homies are pathetic truly. in a bg3 fight i lashed an enemy off a banister which was cooler than even the biggest fight in pathfinder which plays out the exact same way every single time
just buff and click, maybe pause and cast a spell sometimes. honestly its pathetic and i can't imagine ever going back to another crpg after the advancements bg3 took
tldr you read it but have no counter like this dumb Black person
tldr pathfidner is garbage and only morons force themselves to enjoy it
i can tell you are a secondary becuase you got BG2 EE, you subhuman trash
No one even reacts to what class you play in pathfinder, the only difference it makes is if you want to put your +1 to x or y
Yeah the role playing is unbelievably shit in the PF games, Bg3 is the future, and Owlcat is seething because they could never match the production flex required.
Just autistic rulesets, grating woke dialogue, and off-game 2d porn, it's pathetic.
https://twitter.com/OwlcatGames/status/1687493648030531585
They still seem fine with it bro
Nice shitty art, fitting. Hope these gays aren't deluded into thinking they're in the same league as Larian and D&D.
Make love, not war bro
Follow your own advice and frick off out of Ukraine, Owlcat homosexual.
>devs give a thumbs up to other dev and say best wishes to them
>HAHAHA they are seething and coping!
grow up dude. this console war homosexualry is getting old
>same energy
it really is over for owlcucks , huh?
>No one even reacts to what class you play in pathfinder
yes it fricking does. Paladin even gets special dialogue options and bard can have a song battle
>bard can have a song battle
don't tempt me to turn my azata (actually swarm) eldritch scion in a dirge bard, anon
That's false tho, moron.
https://devtrackers.gg/pathfinder/p/0a0f0de6-character-reactivity-spoilers
here. the game does have Reactivity too it you smooth brain.
> the game does have Reactivity too it you smooth brain.
*the game has reactivity to your class and race smooth brain
>Wendu don't comment you worship Lamashtu when you romance her.
Disappointing.
blacks sell less
>blacks
Leave Black person.
>No one even reacts to what class you play in pathfinder
Yes they do, but it's very rare and mostly happens in the first two acts
I just started a WotR playthrough as an Alchemist and the story NPCs won't shut the frick up about it.
So I'm at the forge and it tells me "are you sure you want to proceed? finish loose ends"or whatever when I go to the elevator to head to moon towers...is this going to lock me out of quests in the first areas or something?
>2
Valerie, my muse!
The only value in an RPG lies in how hard you can break it. Pathfinder will forever be the greatest RPG system for that reason.
>Pathfinder's combat mogs Baldur's Gate 3
Honestly, after playing through WOTR and most of Kingmaker I have no idea how you could say this. The character optimization side is obviously far superior but almost every single fight in the Pathfinder games felt the exact same, to the point it was just tedious.
Shit bait, here's your consolatory (You).
I'm gonna go now, make a new thread when this one hits bump limit, make it a BG3 vs Pathfinder bait thread so it'll get replies
based. we need more shitflinging thread honestly because Ganker is too low IQ to like both games.
>prebuffinder
It's a legit complaint if you play on harder difficulties, since every video I've seen of people doing unfair involves at least 5mins of applying buffs before every fight. I can see how its pretty shit if you have to do it for every fight.
I counter it by just turning down the difficulty. Now I don't need to buff anything I just walk in, mass hold monster/icy prison then let my two machinegunners rip into them.
Owlcat will have to ramp up their troony obsession next game
What the frick is that thing? Is that a man or a woman? I honestly can't tell anymore.
A man dressed up a parody of a woman for the purposes of humor
Give it a go for free here.
worth playing both pathfinders?
sure why not. both of them are great games with some pretty good character build customization and overall nice companions.
Not true, and even if it was better, it'd still be pointless with how awful the encounter-design was in WOTR alone. Owlcat didn't get even remotely close to Larian's success. WOTR sucks even with all the patches, whereas BG3 released in a decent state already.
Dunno about Kingmaker, but WOTR is just a huge disappointment. Game balance is awful, and it quickly gets tiresome with all the tedium, especially the tacked on crusader mechanics. The writing is also nothing to write about, because it simply doesn't live up to is frankly serious and grotesque themes. Most of the plot and events turn out childish, even for fantasy standards.
>larian contracted by wotc to make a dnd game
>it was a huge risk for them
wtf am i reading
It wasn't a huge risk to make the game. It was a huge risk to invest as much money as they did when they objectively didn't need to. And it was even greater risk to turn down Microsoft's offer which would have guaranteed Larian's CEO would instantly become exorbitantly wealthy, regardless if the game was a success or not.
How so many homosexuals cannot understand this is beyond comprehension.