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>peak of the whole franchise
I've been saying this for a long time.
If it had the option to skip cutscenes it would be perfect.
I enjoyed this game a lot more when I replayed it last year compared to when it first came out, probably because going through all the cutscenes didn't feel as repetitive.
I'd definitely rate it higher than any of the DS games for actually having some challenging npcs instead of the entire game being mash A to win garbage, even with having the EXP Share left on the entire game.
>ruined gen 6 and gen 7 by getting rushed out early
SM and USUM are the beginning of the end
>ruined gen 6 and 7 by [FANFIC]
why can't people come up with actual criticisms for these games? It's kind of hilarious.
People did. Thats why we understand what it means by saying they ruined it.
>Ruined gen 6
Gen 6 was born dead, XY are horrendous games and nothing you can say would make them good.
>XY are horrendous games
in what way
They're just mediocre at best. Playing through XY is like a fever dream and feels more like you're just "going through the motions"
SM/USUM/SWSH being far worse doesn't suddenly make XY good.
>They're just mediocre at best
in what way
XY was good.
ORAS was good.
USUM was good.
SwSh was mediocre.
If you disagree, you're wrong.
meant for
Sorry, then. You're wrong. USUM wasn't good. XY weren't even good, they were just "okay".
SM was bad and USUM was an insult. It's been said before but Gen 6 was not a high bar to meet and there was zero excuse for gen 7 not to build off of it on the same hardware.
Your opinion is incorrect. USUM is good. Sorry, that's just how it is.
>USUM is good
you need to be +18 to post here
JANNIESSSS!!
>Your opinion is incorrect. USUM is good.
Keep coping I guess. USUM is inherently flawed by being a generic fork of SM. There was nothing that could have made it good other than just going back to Gen 6's drawing board and doing it all over again without removing shit this time.
SWSH gets a lot of deserved flack for being a SM reskin, but USUM is quite literally just that. They're bad games, period.
Cope.
XY are still today the most innovative games in the franchise, and 3rd in the quality list
>The dex was ugly AND short
>Your rival and the kids kliq can be diagnosed with at least 1 personality disorder
>Team Flare was moronic
>Easiest E4+Champion of the whole franchise
>The sound engine of the 3DS wasn't as bad as XY makes it sound
>Not a single memorable character besides obscene cosplaying-looking autists.
>The dex was ugly AND short
subjective
>Your rival and the kids kliq can be diagnosed with at least 1 personality disorder
much better than Su/Mo where the characters can't even be diagnosed with a personality
>Team Flare was moronic
if you can't explain it any better than buzzwords, you have no argument
>Easiest E4+Champion of the whole franchise
if you used any megas during the story you relinquish your right to an opinion on gen 6's difficulty
>The sound engine of the 3DS wasn't as bad as XY makes it sound
XY still has the best wild battle theme in the franchise
>Not a single memorable character besides obscene cosplaying-looking autists.
Diantha, Korrina, Serena, Clemont, Lysandre, Sycamore, AZ, Shauna, Sina and Dexio beg to differ, and that's just off the top of my head. Heck even the PC's mom is a memorable character. meanwhile the only reason I still remember Lillie is because of the porn of her that's spammed here every day, because that's the only worth her character has
>subjective
Not really, it was short. And the mons were 90% trashable
>much better than Su/Mo where the characters can't even be diagnosed with a personality
Nope, MALASADASLMAO > A bunch of randomly written characters that end up being insipid
>if you used any megas during the story you relinquish your right to an opinion on gen 6's difficulty
Concession accepted
>XY still has the best wild battle theme in the franchise
This is not what i meant, awful reading comprehension.
>Diantha, Korrina, Serena, Clemont, Lysandre, Sycamore, AZ, Shauna, Sina and Dexio beg to differ
Case in point, thanks.
Now, Kalosperm. If we should continue with your rotten corpse of a game, should i begin with the COPYPASTED Viridian Forest?
For what?
Easily the most forgettable games
Give it some time and BDSP will be more forgotten.
You are wrong. SM/USUM were miles better than X/Y.
The cutscenes really do hamper it.
Maybe not the whole franchise, but they're definitely a peak of nu-pokemon next to Legends, slightly under gen 5 being the peak of old pokemon
name a single reason I should play either gen 5 game over USUM.
You know the poster count isn't going up, right? You need to wait a little longer if you want to start a falseflag genwar.
That's irrelevant. You're causing harm
There is no harm to cause. Both games are great in similar ways. There is no reason to argue over which is better, which is why your keep having to spam falseflags to make it look like their fans want to.
Yes it is. If it doesnt matter then why the frick did you bring up gen 5 ? Fricking disingenuous moron
>unova fanboy is already resorting to crying about the IP count
this is just sad
It still hasn't changed, your genwar attempt failed. Try again tomorrow.
Restore it the way it was
Easily the most memorable games
>Didn't add back any of the stuff SM removed like the Natdex
>Didn't fix any of the issues with base SM like hyper linearity / lack of agency
>Actively ruined the one thing SM had going for it with the interesting premise and decent villain story
>The one thing the game got "okay" is still just a tradeoff of a concept that was framed better in SM's postgame
Yeah, no. Peak is BW2 because everything after was worse up until PLA. Gen 6 was not a high bar to go over and I still am baffled every day how they just keep managing to lower it further.
>cries about things that bw2 is also guilty of
>proceeds to wiener suck bw2
ah yes the classic unova fan lack of consistent standards
The frick are you on homosexual? BW2 improved and addressed every problem with BW.
>added in old pokemon that were left out of the base game
>fixed issues like linearity by adding brand new route and towns
>expanded on the villain story and made N a fully fleshed out character
>amazing post game content
>The frick are you on homosexual? BW2 improved and addressed every problem with BW.
It didn’t address the piss easy difficulty, linearity, handholding (it’s actually WORSE in this regard), lack of berry farming, lack of good postgame facilities, and the story is even shittier and more generic than BW.
>piss easy difficulty
It added difficulty options you fricking tard. That's them addressing the problem.
>linearity
Like I said in my earlier post, they added new towns, routes, and dungeons. They even changed up the way in which the region was traversed.
>handholding
If you call what BW2 did handholding, then SM and USUM practically carried you.
>lack of berry farming
This wasn't a problem. Most people just picked berries and moved on, no one cared about them.
>lack of 'good' postgame facilities
It added two on top of their Battle Tower copy. I think you're thinking of USUM which added no facility.
>story shittier and more generic than BW
That's miles better than USUM telling the same exact story but changing a couple of minutes.
BW2 raised the bar so high that USUM was a major disappointment for a lot of people due to it being an outdated third version. Most people leading up to the game thought it would have a brand new story just like BW2.
>Ultra Recon Squad = cardboard cutouts
>only fought with a fricking dog and not a full team
>Hala replaced by a nobody in E4
>Lusamine not the main villain
>Ultra Wormholes were absolutely lame. I expected a challenging maze
>The supposedly 'Nuzlocke' killer got smashed by my under leveled Mimikyu
>overall, USUM just added a few features that wasn't groundbreaking
>national dex
Oh great, this psycho has arrived to claim that everybody cared about the paragraphs of text and not the transferability
>lack of agency
It still had more than your precious Kalos region. You would know that if you had ever played the games you hate so much.
>You would know that if you had ever played the games you hate so much.
I did... That's how I know that XY is a shit game that's still a game. Unlike SM/USUM.
The irony of your forced genwarring here is that even if you push the narrative that I'm some rabid Kalos fanboy, a third version of XY that didn't change anything would still have been better than the two third versions of SM we got that didn't change anything. Because as shit as they are, XY at least had a good foundation and engine with the PSS.
>this psycho has arrived to claim that everybody cared about the paragraphs of text and not the transferability
Yeah, just like the psycho trying to claim that everybody cared about the Exp. Share being broken and not the fact they removed the toggle to turn it off.
>in what way
XY are just mid-tier quality games. Story is poorly paced compared to how BW/BW2 knocked it out of the park, game is insanely easy to the point where you are easily 10 levels over everything else, post-game content was the most minimal it had been since base RS, the list goes on.
>Story is poorly paced compared to how BW/BW2 knocked it out of the park
So the story would be better paced if there was only 1 route and more tutorials between each gym?
>game is insanely easy to the point where you are easily 10 levels over everything
How si this any different than any other Pokemon game?
>post-game content was the most minimal
How does content being after the credits instead of before the credits magically make the game better?
>postgamegay
>is moronic
go figure
>Sojacuck is making moronic takes again
And news at 11
>IT'S BETTER THAT THE GAME LOCKS OFF CONTENT FROM YOU AND FORCES TO GO IN ONE DIRECTION
>says others have moronic takes
kek
>Buzzword salad
Concession accepted, try again next time.
please, anon.
hoenn is shit regardless of how you experience it.
i cared about the paragraphs of text
Bullshit it has more agency than gen 6. Just stfu
Hi Discord / Cosmos77!
We don't need any more examples of Kalos fans throwing Alola under the bus, they'll provide plenty by the end of the thread. A for effort anyway.
>gives Incineroar intimidate
You'll always be trash
There is no peak of the whole franchise. Pokemon is too unstable and is constantly changing for the better and worse at the same time. Foe example, SWSH has the best breeding and team building mechanics in the series but is bogged down by the worst story and visuals of all time.
>worst visuals of all time
>first hd games
>literal 8bit graphics and empty square tile garbage has been the graphics for 4 generations where pokemon players kept saying "graphics don't matter"
Why so delusional? People called SwSh N64 graphics, which automatically means any 2d game was NES if not Atari
>rival picks the weaker type to yours
Defend this
He made up for it with that fricking Raichu.
>10 minutes of gameplay for every hour of cutscenes
Legends Arceus is superior and gen 9 will soon surpass gen 7 by far too.
Anyone claiming a game that's not from the DS era is the peak will be automatically dismissed because I know for a fact you don't believe it. Simple as.
saying the DS games are good over and over again doesn't make them good
Acting like DP isn't the only blight on the DS era games doesn't suddenly make them bad.
>he hates DP
Dumb NPC
Frick off, you're not one of us
>Kalos defense force still trying to pretend they weren't caught and hour ago
>can't help forcing "w-well at least Kalos is better than Alola!" In every single post
Your routine is old and predictable, it will never convince anyone. You lost that chance once you announced yourself to the board months ago.
For competitive, yes. Gameplay? Hell no.
The competitive scene was improved over the previous generation but that's not saying much, given how atrocious competitive Pokemon was in gen 6. XY was fun until everyone figured out exactly how strong Kangaskhan was, 15 wasn't that much better, and 16 is the single worst format of all time.
Competitive Pokemon peaked with BW2 and again with Sword and Shield.
>SS
>Peaked
VGC is currently in its worst state of the past 10 years, and Smogon in general just feels like discount Gen 7.
>VGC
Unironically the best it's been in years. Dynamax as a gimmick is great for making games entertaining without being overbearingly strong, and the current format is probably the most balanced GS Cup format I've ever seen. Sure, Zacian and Kyogre are clearly the strongest or most consistent duo, but so many restricted mons are strong or at least viable in the format. Compare with 2016, where you had a choice of like 5 archetypes if you actually wanted to win games.
>Smogon
If I ever play singles it's 3v3 on cart for the BP so I wouldn't know anything about that.
>Dynamax is great
If you like big and shiny things, yes. As a competitive gimmick, nope.
> and the current format is probably the most balanced GS Cup
?????
The only issue with Dynamax is that Airstream is a little too strong. I'd nerf the power to 80 like Max Knuckle because something with a benefit that good shouldn't provide that much damage. It's way better than Megas, which restricted teambuilding considerably, and also more engaging than Z-moves, which were admittedly good but still limited in that you had to sacrifice an item slot for it.
GS Cup is what they used to call restricted formats back when you thought your dick was only for pissing.
Anon, you NEVER played or watched GS Cup. that's why you think you know what the frick you are talking about.
Dynamax is a win-button that completely reduces the game to a near coin-flip
I did, and if you think Dynamax is just a win button I don't know what to tell you except to git gud.
Don't listen to Gen 7 morons, their mechanic is LITERALLY a winning button (Z-moves)
>Dynamax but balanced
FTFY
Z moves were balanced but they're not really comparable to Dynamax. The former is just a nuke that requires an item slot, which can be deadly if utilized right but has counterplay by using Protect, type immunities and smart switching, and by simply KOing the Pokemon that has the crystal before it can get the move off. The latter is a smaller nuke but what really opens up gameplay is that you have access to potentially four different nukes with various effects and that it's not restricted by item, meaning potentially any of your six mons can take advantage of it, even if your preferred user is rendered unable to do so. The balance here is that it's available to both players and that there is counterplay available, again through the use of Protect/Max Guard, type immunities, or otherwise incapacitating the Pokemon your opponent is Dynamaxing.
>I Did
No you didnt, stop larping. Its ok Dynamax carries you above Great Ball rank but that doesn’t make it good.
One day you will get into Great Ball. I believe in you, Champ.
>Reddit spacing "N-no U!" noob loves Dynamax
like clockwork, btw. Here's your "Best VGC scene"
https://www.pikalytics.com/
>Incineroar and Ubers: The Playground
Playing it's difficulty hack was the most fun I had in a pokemon game
It's a very solid game and like other anons said it would be perfect if you could skip the cutscenes
Luv Alola
Luv the story
Luv the characters
Luv Poké Pelago
Luv the Alolan Pokémon and the regional variants
Luv Rotomdex
Luv female skull grunt
Simple as
BW/BW2 were peak as much as you guys refuse to admit it.
Kalosgays are cancer
>frick those kalosgays, actually using facts and direct specific evidence from the games to support their arguments!
>Direct specific evidence
>Cherrypicking
"cherrypicking" doesn't mean "evidence I don't like"
Nope, it means Cherrypicking. And that's what you did.
very nice.
now let's see the new pokemon and story.
>gen alpha gays have found Ganker
Those games were and are still shit. Nothing will ever make those lazy pieces of shit good.
I wish I played USUM first instead of vanilla SUMO. USUM was too much of the same to really enjoy, and seventh gen was already a slog to play through.
Frick off lilliegay. I dont need a moron complimenting me on being able to tie my shoes to be pleased.
If you like Gen 7 you are into NTR because you never play the game and you are forced to watch cutscenes and see Lillie be the MC instead of you
Ultra Sun and Moon kick fricking ass. It's just SuMo left a horrible taste in everyones mouth rightfully so. USuMo had so much content that it was crazy and the difficulty was challanging too.
I can definitely understand why it would be someones favorite of the franchise or even call it the peak of the series, No arguments here.
Awful list, kys
Gen 3 was pure stinky dog shit that almost killed the franchise, hoenngay.
>SNIGGY NIGGY DOO
Discarded
>ORAS above Emerald
This pictures proves that ORAS is far beyond emerald
oh noooo not the annoying battle facilities that no one played ! !
frick no, it's shit
USUM was a 3rd Version sold as two games with hardly any meaningful additions to the story. The few things they did change (like Lusamine's characterization or the URS) made the plot less emotionally grounded, and all of the Ultra Space portals feel half finished. See pic related, depicted as a massive high tech city, but having no substance in the final game. There's a few new mini-games? Like Mantine Surf or the Photography studio. But its far less than what past expansions like BW2 or Emerald had to offer.
It simply doesn't need to exist.
If autistic, sexless homies like you hate USUM this much than clearly it's one of the best ones.
>USUM was a 3rd Version sold as two games with hardly any meaningful additions to the story
that's every 3rd version
>USUM