Wasn't Sylveon revealed several months before the Fairy type? So the initial speculation literally didn't HAVE the type it ended up being to speculate ON.
are you? were we just supposed to immediately know they were introducing a new type and what it was? I know some people predicted that, but at the time it was pretty reasonable to assume it would be one of the already established types. we hadn't had a new type since Gen 2. and I don't think fairy was ever a popular fan typing, as much as things like sound or light were.
Then they would not have (to) hide/hidden (and hype up) its typing. It's an eeveelution. It's that simple. Nobody was arguing back in the day for it being normal type.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Nobody was arguing back in the day for it being normal type
You weren’t there. People were arguing this actually, precisely because pink/girly/ribbons used to be associated with normal types like Clefairy.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>pink girly >normal
They couldn't have gone with a normal type evolution.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why not? People always draw an evolved normal eeveeon
I get it, and it is obvious in retrospect, but not so much at the time. You've had a decade for fairy type to be normalized, back then adding a new type was a pretty big shake up. That's WHY the typing was such a big point of debate, because the name didn't clearly point to any established type, but a lot of people didn't think they would add a new one.
No, I actually did argue it for months. I was just on the fairy side of the argument. I lived that shit Black person.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
what were the other sides?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Biggest camp was fairy (with a minority within it saying it'll be called magic or light)
Most anti-fairy people believed it'd be flying at first, but then bug became more popular
wow leave it to me to forget i backspaced that and replaced it with >so late in the game >so late in the game >so >late >in >the >game
lol
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i remember it being a pretty heated argument because there was nothing about it "most people" could agree on
You remember wrong. Anti fairygays were a loud minority.
All the official hype for Sylveon was about its type being a mystery. Anyone who wasn't moronic knew it will be a new type.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>flying
I thought that at first too. Back to the OP, fairirs are popularly depicted as some sort of flying creatures, so if you didn't think GF was introducing a new type it made sense that flying would be a runner up.
I wasn't on the internet back then and I just heard people talking about the fairy type in school. Was it a popular speculation type before then? I'd imagine less than sound or light but was it even discussed?
Does anyone have the screenshot of all the anons saying it WONT be Fairy type and that we would all have egg on our faces when it was revealed to be Bug/Dragon/Ghost etc.?
I'm not making my own compilation image when I know one already exists. Also I don't know the filename or dimensions of the existing compilation so I can't search for that on the archives either. That's why i am asking someone to post it.
Just goes to show that /vp/ has always been filled with contemptuous condescending know-it-alls that wind up humiliating themselves when they get proven wrong.
I wonder what all these people did when the Fairy type was actually revealed to be real.
i mean i was flabbergasted they actually did it, and was pretty disappointed they seemed to be going the safe and cute direction with the type rather than actually making fae creatures, because they led off with things like slurpuff and aromatisse, but ten years down the line it's much plainer to see the whole type does have a very clear and sincere fae undercurrent beneath the superficial tinkerbell surface. the mons they chose to retype also really helped this, with elves, moon rabbits, cu sith, and whatever brazilian thing whimsicott was supposed to be. it's probably my second favorite type now, after normal. i maintain that it's always better to be a skeptic, though.
>it's much plainer to see the whole type does have a very clear and sincere fae undercurrent >implying fairy type has any cohesive theming and isn't just slapped onto random shit
yes, i am implying that, because it's been very consistently associated with fae and folklore, magic, cryptids, and the moon for ten years now. and food too but at least one of those is also based on magic/alchemy. we've had four generations straight of consistent theming, even if gen 6 dropped the ball on a few it still had all the retyped mons, klefki, and xerneas.
>I wonder what all these people did when the Fairy type was actually revealed to be real.
All their condescending "you're literally mentally ill if you disagree with me" type posts were anonymous, so they just pretended they were made by someone else and went on twith their day. A lot of them probably pretended they had correctly guessed Fairy was real.
Everyone who had an IQ above room temperature knew it would be a new type from the way it was promoted. The only arguments were over what the new type's name would be, and even then 'fairy' was the most common guess. It seems a lot of people from this screenshot are ITT now.
>If a fairy type were to be introduced, then not only would ever type need to be reconfigured, it would further skew the underdeveloped and underpowered types, and cause a complete shift in game mechanics.
Damn, how did they know so well they'd fumble the ball on fairy mechanically?
Those were fun times. I was on the new-type team, but I didn't believe in fairies and got BTFO.
Regardless, Sylveon became my favorite Pokémon that day.
If Gen 2 the franchise was still gaining it's legs. Gens 3-5 set a more regular pattern of development that people got used to. Imagine if instead of a new type, Gen 6 had included Unova as a second region, it would have been a big deal too. Actually I even remember people speculating over there being a second region in XY and people fairly called it bullshit, even though there is technically precedence.
In Gust's case, it's probably just because it would have made your life hell if you chose Bulbasaur, so they changed the type of the move instead of just giving Pidgey tackle or something.
My kneejerk prediction was that it was dragon type because the colors on its ribbons matches the dragon type icon in gen 3-4. But I quickly switched to the fairy camp after a week. With how hard they were making a big deal out if its type it was pretty obvious it was a new type.
There hasn't been a new type in a long time, gen 3,4, and 5 didn't introduce a new type so obviously everyone assumed the type chart had fully matured.
Would be like if scarlet and violet had introduced a "lizard type" and then 10 years later someone was making a thread about how stupid people were for assuming the legendaries were dragon type.
I expect pokemon will live for another 20 years or more, and there will be at least one more new type in that time, if only just to keep the series fresh. It's fine to expect new types, it's only moronic to think it's happening each new gen.
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the thing is saying will happened until it comes true doesnt mean you called it. It just means you committed to repeating something it worked out for you. People saying there will be a new type in the future and there wont be a new type in the future are equally moronic
>Only morons are right!! be a patterngay like me I'm definitely not moronic!!
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No one predicted a new fairy type would happen until Sylveon got announced. Stop trying to revise history to hide your embarrassment.
>samegayging
It's not a pattern. It's a pain in the ass to reestablish core game feature. It requires retyping old Pokemon, moves and retcon it into existing from the start.
That's exactly what they said about fairy. They were almost twenty years in and they still dropped a new type.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And they were right. It was crazy and dumb to add it. It's not our fault they did it anyway. The only reason that convinces me they had to do it was to have 18 types. It's a perfect number. Nicely divisible into 2, 3 or 6 for convenience and various graphical representations.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no you don’t get it it’s GOOD that dragon type is broken!!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the entire issue is dragon type wasn't broken, dragon type POKÉMON were broken. they just kept giving them 600 base stat totals and amazing secondary types like ground, along with all the options under the sun. sure dragon is a good type, it resists all four elemental types and had one resistance, but there are other types with similar or even stronger attributes. the type in a vacuum was perfectly manageable.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> the entire issue is dragon type wasn't broken
yes they were
no pokemon should have 1.5x or better coverage against the entire game while also having FOUR useful resists and only two weaknesses
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>1.5x
where are you getting this number from?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
anon have you heard of this cool mechanic called STAB?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
STAB isn't coverage moron
also steel resists dragon
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> STAB isn't coverage
Yes it is. >also steel resists dragon
Damn good thing practically every dragon type can use Earthquake and Fire Blast then
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Damn good thing practically every dragon type can use Earthquake and Fire Blast then
did you forget what this conversation was about? we're discussing the type in a vacuum.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the “”type in a vacuum”” still has access to more than one moveslot like every other type in the game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
go look up what "in a vacuum" means
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok. The “”type in a vacuum”” still has access to more than one moveslot like every other type in the game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you didn't look it up. go look it up.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you didn't look it up. go look it up.
Bruh you are hyperfixating on "just like everyone else" and just ignoring the actual argument. It makes you look cowardly, and reads like a dodge. Stop repeating it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
go look up "in a vacuum"
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cringe. Have a nice day.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
go look it up
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the type in a vacuum is purely its weaknesses, strengths, and resistances since you fricking refuse to look it up. holy shit what a moron
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> the type in a vacuum is purely its weaknesses, strengths, and resistances
Which show that it’s blatantly overtuned, yes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>only resisted four types, perfectly normal >nearly unresisted stab which is its only legitimately great aspect >two weaknesses, one to an extremely common coverage type >super effective on literally nothing but itself
far from overtuned
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>only resisted four types, perfectly normal
Not on a type that only has two weaknesses and is extremely good offensively.
>nearly unresisted stab which is its only legitimately great aspect
That “”””only legitimately great aspect”””” is what makes it broken.
>extremely common coverage type
Why do you think that is? And the second weakness is to ITSELF which just centralizes the game even harder around it.
>super effective on literally nothing but itself
You don’t need super effectiveness on anything when you hit the entire game for 1.5x damage or better.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>only resisted four types, perfectly normal >Not on a type that only has two weaknesses and is extremely good offensively.
but enough about fairy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I can’t spam fairy against the entire game and easy neutral STAB coverage. Practically every fairy gets walled extremely hard by Fire types because they rarely have access to Ground/Rock/Water moves.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I can’t spam fairy against the entire game and easy neutral STAB coverage.
they have four moveslots
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Name one broken secondary type dragon mon that was before fairy was released besides Garchomp.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
salamence
dragonite
kingdra
latios
latias
dragon was balanced in gen 1-3 because of the lack of move options but gen 4 adding the split, adding draco meteor, and making outrage 120bp absolutely made it broken.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Flying? You think Dragon/Flying is an OP type combo? Seriously? And neither of those moves are even Flying moves, did you even understand the question?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> Flying? You think Dragon/Flying is an OP type combo?
It includes dragon so yes
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you didn't understand the question, got it.
>And neither of those moves are even Flying moves, did you even understand the question?
They're both Dragon moves, without which the Type is DRASTICALLY weaker. Did you understand the post?
And neither did you.
the entire issue is dragon type wasn't broken, dragon type POKÉMON were broken. they just kept giving them 600 base stat totals and amazing secondary types like ground, along with all the options under the sun. sure dragon is a good type, it resists all four elemental types and had one resistance, but there are other types with similar or even stronger attributes. the type in a vacuum was perfectly manageable.
said dragon type wasn't broken, it was just paired with OP dual types like ground. I >55786089 asked for literally any other example of an OP dual type. Then you two illiterate chucklefricks thinking you're geniuses come in with something completely irrelevant.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>name a secondary type dragon pokemon that was broken >”NOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!”
you aight schizo?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, you would need to identify a trend in order to justify a new type for that reason. One pokemon isn't a trend, they didn't introduce Fairy JUST to counter Garchomp.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And neither of those moves are even Flying moves, did you even understand the question?
They're both Dragon moves, without which the Type is DRASTICALLY weaker. Did you understand the post?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>can switch in on earthquakes for free and click your massive damage outrage/draco
yep
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not buying it. Flying type would be much more prevalent on its own if that were the case.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Which Dragon/Flying had a good flying stab in Gen 5? Gamefreak just refused to give them Flying-stab before ORAS came around. Nowadays Rayquaza and Dragonite often don't run dragon moves.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes. Thank you for making my argument for me. If you thought this was a counterargument to anything I said, maybe you should have read it better.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dragon/Flying is a great combination and it was only hampered because they got no good secondary STAB in the first 5 generations. This is why Flying isn't more prevalent. And anyway, Dragon/Flying is better than factually pure Dragon even without any Flying moves.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Seems like you think Flying is actually the OP type, not Dragon.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>10+1 > 10 >"seems like you think 1 > 10"
Brainrot.
>If a fairy type were to be introduced, then not only would ever type need to be reconfigured, it would further skew the underdeveloped and underpowered types, and cause a complete shift in game mechanics.
Damn, how did they know so well they'd fumble the ball on fairy mechanically?
Actually based prediction.
It's not even that Fairy is broken in a vaccuum, it's just terribly balanced in tandem with the rest of the chart, specially with the available Pokémon.
>Only two weaknesses, but both are weak to Ground which makes it super easy to splash a core >Resisted by another type that is also weak to Ground >Resists Bug that was already the most resisted type >Resists Fighting that was already the third most resisted type >Nearly unresisted STAB if paired with Ghost (2 fully evolved Pokémon in the entire dex)
And they're both dogshit pokémon made of paper. Then they go and give this typing to one of the most broken ass non-restricteds of all time. >Nearly unresisted STAB If paired with Dark (7 FE, 2 dexited)
Luckily the one Dark/Fairy family is a supporter that rarely runs both STABS >Nearly unresisted STAB if paired with Water (11 FE, 2 dexited) >Nearly unresisted STAB if paired with Ghost (9 FE, 2 dexited).
Luckily there's no Fairy/Ground... yet. But that's why Xerneas+Groudon was so dominant in VGC2016
But yes they did a dogshit job balancing Fairy-type into the rest of the type chart
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
unresisted STAB if paired with Ghost (9 FE, 2 dexited).
I meant Ground in that line, not Ghost. That's why the following line comments on Fairy/Ground. Ghost is even worse as stated above
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>making a new broken type somehow fixes the problem
I expect pokemon will live for another 20 years or more, and there will be at least one more new type in that time, if only just to keep the series fresh. It's fine to expect new types, it's only moronic to think it's happening each new gen.
the thing is saying will happened until it comes true doesnt mean you called it. It just means you committed to repeating something it worked out for you. People saying there will be a new type in the future and there wont be a new type in the future are equally moronic
So that's it, it's just an issue of pride to you? What's correct or incorrect doesn't matter, only who gets the credit for being correct? Grow up. There will be a new type in the future, whether it's gen 10 or gen 20, I don't know, but it'll happen garunteed. That's correct whether you credit it or not, and I don't care about your hangups about it.
>Only morons are right!! be a patterngay like me I'm definitely not moronic!!
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the thing is saying will happened until it comes true doesnt mean you called it. It just means you committed to repeating something it worked out for you. People saying there will be a new type in the future and there wont be a new type in the future are equally moronic
No one predicted a new fairy type would happen until Sylveon got announced. Stop trying to revise history to hide your embarrassment.
I still remember when people thought Xerneas and Yveltal were going to be the poster children for Light and Sound type reveals respectively. Xerneas because it looked elegant and hand rainbow horns, and Yveltal because people heard its cry in the initial XY release trailer cg.
>/vp/ Poketurds are moronic
And grass is green
Wasn't Sylveon revealed several months before the Fairy type? So the initial speculation literally didn't HAVE the type it ended up being to speculate ON.
yep
Are you moronic
are you? were we just supposed to immediately know they were introducing a new type and what it was? I know some people predicted that, but at the time it was pretty reasonable to assume it would be one of the already established types. we hadn't had a new type since Gen 2. and I don't think fairy was ever a popular fan typing, as much as things like sound or light were.
>how were we supposed to know
Look at the OP again.
>Clefairy, Clefable, Snubble, and Granbul
>Fairy Pokemon
>Normal type for five generations, over 25 years
Then they would not have (to) hide/hidden (and hype up) its typing. It's an eeveelution. It's that simple. Nobody was arguing back in the day for it being normal type.
>Nobody was arguing back in the day for it being normal type
You weren’t there. People were arguing this actually, precisely because pink/girly/ribbons used to be associated with normal types like Clefairy.
>pink girly
>normal
They couldn't have gone with a normal type evolution.
Why not? People always draw an evolved normal eeveeon
proof they wouldn't do fairy
I get it, and it is obvious in retrospect, but not so much at the time. You've had a decade for fairy type to be normalized, back then adding a new type was a pretty big shake up. That's WHY the typing was such a big point of debate, because the name didn't clearly point to any established type, but a lot of people didn't think they would add a new one.
this is exactly it
>i didn't even end up in the screencap
this is way sadder than being wrong ever was
moron
>zoom zoom who wasn't even on the internet during that time wants to roleplay in his head that he would have solved it
you're weird
No, I actually did argue it for months. I was just on the fairy side of the argument. I lived that shit Black person.
what were the other sides?
Biggest camp was fairy (with a minority within it saying it'll be called magic or light)
Most anti-fairy people believed it'd be flying at first, but then bug became more popular
You remember wrong. Anti fairygays were a loud minority.
All the official hype for Sylveon was about its type being a mystery. Anyone who wasn't moronic knew it will be a new type.
>flying
I thought that at first too. Back to the OP, fairirs are popularly depicted as some sort of flying creatures, so if you didn't think GF was introducing a new type it made sense that flying would be a runner up.
Clefairy exists. You're being obtuse.
If you're not willing to read the thread dont bother.
How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast this morning?
Many people at the time didn't want to believe GF was introducing a new type, so they would double down on schizo theories like ribbons = flying type.
I think that was related to this? How she was an eevee trainer. and had the pink and blue hair, and was lifting the ball to the sky.
What? That movie was at the end of gen 7
I wasn't on the internet back then and I just heard people talking about the fairy type in school. Was it a popular speculation type before then? I'd imagine less than sound or light but was it even discussed?
as far as i know, before sylveon was announced, literally not a single person had EVER proposed or discussed a fairy type
Yeah isn't it obvious it's clearly nymph type
itt morons justify their brainless behavior
Does anyone have the screenshot of all the anons saying it WONT be Fairy type and that we would all have egg on our faces when it was revealed to be Bug/Dragon/Ghost etc.?
The archives are right there Black person
I'm not making my own compilation image when I know one already exists. Also I don't know the filename or dimensions of the existing compilation so I can't search for that on the archives either. That's why i am asking someone to post it.
Some morons thought it was a flying type KeK.
real ones will remember it was first shown surrounded by feathers
Thanks anon.
Just goes to show that /vp/ has always been filled with contemptuous condescending know-it-alls that wind up humiliating themselves when they get proven wrong.
I wonder what all these people did when the Fairy type was actually revealed to be real.
i mean i was flabbergasted they actually did it, and was pretty disappointed they seemed to be going the safe and cute direction with the type rather than actually making fae creatures, because they led off with things like slurpuff and aromatisse, but ten years down the line it's much plainer to see the whole type does have a very clear and sincere fae undercurrent beneath the superficial tinkerbell surface. the mons they chose to retype also really helped this, with elves, moon rabbits, cu sith, and whatever brazilian thing whimsicott was supposed to be. it's probably my second favorite type now, after normal. i maintain that it's always better to be a skeptic, though.
>i maintain that it's always better to be a skeptic, though.
I was skeptic of it being flying or bug type
>it's much plainer to see the whole type does have a very clear and sincere fae undercurrent
>implying fairy type has any cohesive theming and isn't just slapped onto random shit
yes, i am implying that, because it's been very consistently associated with fae and folklore, magic, cryptids, and the moon for ten years now. and food too but at least one of those is also based on magic/alchemy. we've had four generations straight of consistent theming, even if gen 6 dropped the ball on a few it still had all the retyped mons, klefki, and xerneas.
>I wonder what all these people did when the Fairy type was actually revealed to be real.
All their condescending "you're literally mentally ill if you disagree with me" type posts were anonymous, so they just pretended they were made by someone else and went on twith their day. A lot of them probably pretended they had correctly guessed Fairy was real.
Everyone who had an IQ above room temperature knew it would be a new type from the way it was promoted. The only arguments were over what the new type's name would be, and even then 'fairy' was the most common guess. It seems a lot of people from this screenshot are ITT now.
>If a fairy type were to be introduced, then not only would ever type need to be reconfigured, it would further skew the underdeveloped and underpowered types, and cause a complete shift in game mechanics.
Damn, how did they know so well they'd fumble the ball on fairy mechanically?
Those were fun times. I was on the new-type team, but I didn't believe in fairies and got BTFO.
Regardless, Sylveon became my favorite Pokémon that day.
it was unheard of to think they were going to add a new type so late in the game, you wouldn't get it kid
>still coping a decade later
>at the time
>at the time
>at
>the
>time
sad to see reading comprehension fall by the wayside like this
Most people at the time thought it will be a new type
wow leave it to me to forget i backspaced that and replaced it with
>so late in the game
>so late in the game
>so
>late
>in
>the
>game
lol
i remember it being a pretty heated argument because there was nothing about it "most people" could agree on
It literally wasn't even unheard of. They did it in gen 2.
If Gen 2 the franchise was still gaining it's legs. Gens 3-5 set a more regular pattern of development that people got used to. Imagine if instead of a new type, Gen 6 had included Unova as a second region, it would have been a big deal too. Actually I even remember people speculating over there being a second region in XY and people fairly called it bullshit, even though there is technically precedence.
"South Kalos" was hinted at in the game itself, so it was commonly expected for the third version (Pokemon Z or whatever).
Umbreon was Poison. It design makes more sense as poison as well
no it doesn’t
>people didn't know what type a type that wasn't in the game yet would be
yeah that's usually how that works
I never understood why gust and karate chop were normal type moves in gen 1
In Gust's case, it's probably just because it would have made your life hell if you chose Bulbasaur, so they changed the type of the move instead of just giving Pidgey tackle or something.
actually it's because flying type was originally bird type, and gust isn't really a bird move. same with razor wind.
most obvious bait award
My kneejerk prediction was that it was dragon type because the colors on its ribbons matches the dragon type icon in gen 3-4. But I quickly switched to the fairy camp after a week. With how hard they were making a big deal out if its type it was pretty obvious it was a new type.
NO ES FAKE
There hasn't been a new type in a long time, gen 3,4, and 5 didn't introduce a new type so obviously everyone assumed the type chart had fully matured.
Would be like if scarlet and violet had introduced a "lizard type" and then 10 years later someone was making a thread about how stupid people were for assuming the legendaries were dragon type.
> so obviously everyone assumed the type chart had fully matured
no, just stupid patterngays like yourself
Only morons expect a new types after such long time.
I expect pokemon will live for another 20 years or more, and there will be at least one more new type in that time, if only just to keep the series fresh. It's fine to expect new types, it's only moronic to think it's happening each new gen.
>samegayging
It's not a pattern. It's a pain in the ass to reestablish core game feature. It requires retyping old Pokemon, moves and retcon it into existing from the start.
That's exactly what they said about fairy. They were almost twenty years in and they still dropped a new type.
And they were right. It was crazy and dumb to add it. It's not our fault they did it anyway. The only reason that convinces me they had to do it was to have 18 types. It's a perfect number. Nicely divisible into 2, 3 or 6 for convenience and various graphical representations.
>no you don’t get it it’s GOOD that dragon type is broken!!
the entire issue is dragon type wasn't broken, dragon type POKÉMON were broken. they just kept giving them 600 base stat totals and amazing secondary types like ground, along with all the options under the sun. sure dragon is a good type, it resists all four elemental types and had one resistance, but there are other types with similar or even stronger attributes. the type in a vacuum was perfectly manageable.
> the entire issue is dragon type wasn't broken
yes they were
no pokemon should have 1.5x or better coverage against the entire game while also having FOUR useful resists and only two weaknesses
>1.5x
where are you getting this number from?
anon have you heard of this cool mechanic called STAB?
STAB isn't coverage moron
also steel resists dragon
> STAB isn't coverage
Yes it is.
>also steel resists dragon
Damn good thing practically every dragon type can use Earthquake and Fire Blast then
>Damn good thing practically every dragon type can use Earthquake and Fire Blast then
did you forget what this conversation was about? we're discussing the type in a vacuum.
the “”type in a vacuum”” still has access to more than one moveslot like every other type in the game.
go look up what "in a vacuum" means
Ok. The “”type in a vacuum”” still has access to more than one moveslot like every other type in the game.
you didn't look it up. go look it up.
Bruh you are hyperfixating on "just like everyone else" and just ignoring the actual argument. It makes you look cowardly, and reads like a dodge. Stop repeating it.
go look up "in a vacuum"
Cringe. Have a nice day.
go look it up
the type in a vacuum is purely its weaknesses, strengths, and resistances since you fricking refuse to look it up. holy shit what a moron
> the type in a vacuum is purely its weaknesses, strengths, and resistances
Which show that it’s blatantly overtuned, yes.
>only resisted four types, perfectly normal
>nearly unresisted stab which is its only legitimately great aspect
>two weaknesses, one to an extremely common coverage type
>super effective on literally nothing but itself
far from overtuned
>only resisted four types, perfectly normal
Not on a type that only has two weaknesses and is extremely good offensively.
>nearly unresisted stab which is its only legitimately great aspect
That “”””only legitimately great aspect”””” is what makes it broken.
>extremely common coverage type
Why do you think that is? And the second weakness is to ITSELF which just centralizes the game even harder around it.
>super effective on literally nothing but itself
You don’t need super effectiveness on anything when you hit the entire game for 1.5x damage or better.
>>only resisted four types, perfectly normal
>Not on a type that only has two weaknesses and is extremely good offensively.
but enough about fairy
I can’t spam fairy against the entire game and easy neutral STAB coverage. Practically every fairy gets walled extremely hard by Fire types because they rarely have access to Ground/Rock/Water moves.
>I can’t spam fairy against the entire game and easy neutral STAB coverage.
they have four moveslots
Name one broken secondary type dragon mon that was before fairy was released besides Garchomp.
salamence
dragonite
kingdra
latios
latias
dragon was balanced in gen 1-3 because of the lack of move options but gen 4 adding the split, adding draco meteor, and making outrage 120bp absolutely made it broken.
Flying? You think Dragon/Flying is an OP type combo? Seriously? And neither of those moves are even Flying moves, did you even understand the question?
> Flying? You think Dragon/Flying is an OP type combo?
It includes dragon so yes
So you didn't understand the question, got it.
And neither did you.
said dragon type wasn't broken, it was just paired with OP dual types like ground. I >55786089 asked for literally any other example of an OP dual type. Then you two illiterate chucklefricks thinking you're geniuses come in with something completely irrelevant.
>name a secondary type dragon pokemon that was broken
>”NOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!”
you aight schizo?
Yes, you would need to identify a trend in order to justify a new type for that reason. One pokemon isn't a trend, they didn't introduce Fairy JUST to counter Garchomp.
>And neither of those moves are even Flying moves, did you even understand the question?
They're both Dragon moves, without which the Type is DRASTICALLY weaker. Did you understand the post?
>can switch in on earthquakes for free and click your massive damage outrage/draco
yep
Not buying it. Flying type would be much more prevalent on its own if that were the case.
Which Dragon/Flying had a good flying stab in Gen 5? Gamefreak just refused to give them Flying-stab before ORAS came around. Nowadays Rayquaza and Dragonite often don't run dragon moves.
Yes. Thank you for making my argument for me. If you thought this was a counterargument to anything I said, maybe you should have read it better.
Dragon/Flying is a great combination and it was only hampered because they got no good secondary STAB in the first 5 generations. This is why Flying isn't more prevalent. And anyway, Dragon/Flying is better than factually pure Dragon even without any Flying moves.
Seems like you think Flying is actually the OP type, not Dragon.
>10+1 > 10
>"seems like you think 1 > 10"
Brainrot.
Actually based prediction.
It's not even that Fairy is broken in a vaccuum, it's just terribly balanced in tandem with the rest of the chart, specially with the available Pokémon.
>Only two weaknesses, but both are weak to Ground which makes it super easy to splash a core
>Resisted by another type that is also weak to Ground
>Resists Bug that was already the most resisted type
>Resists Fighting that was already the third most resisted type
>Nearly unresisted STAB if paired with Ghost (2 fully evolved Pokémon in the entire dex)
And they're both dogshit pokémon made of paper. Then they go and give this typing to one of the most broken ass non-restricteds of all time.
>Nearly unresisted STAB If paired with Dark (7 FE, 2 dexited)
Luckily the one Dark/Fairy family is a supporter that rarely runs both STABS
>Nearly unresisted STAB if paired with Water (11 FE, 2 dexited)
>Nearly unresisted STAB if paired with Ghost (9 FE, 2 dexited).
Luckily there's no Fairy/Ground... yet. But that's why Xerneas+Groudon was so dominant in VGC2016
But yes they did a dogshit job balancing Fairy-type into the rest of the type chart
unresisted STAB if paired with Ghost (9 FE, 2 dexited).
I meant Ground in that line, not Ghost. That's why the following line comments on Fairy/Ground. Ghost is even worse as stated above
>making a new broken type somehow fixes the problem
Fairy isn’t broken though.
Not even close, bud.
the thing is saying will happened until it comes true doesnt mean you called it. It just means you committed to repeating something it worked out for you. People saying there will be a new type in the future and there wont be a new type in the future are equally moronic
So that's it, it's just an issue of pride to you? What's correct or incorrect doesn't matter, only who gets the credit for being correct? Grow up. There will be a new type in the future, whether it's gen 10 or gen 20, I don't know, but it'll happen garunteed. That's correct whether you credit it or not, and I don't care about your hangups about it.
>Only morons are right!! be a patterngay like me I'm definitely not moronic!!
No one predicted a new fairy type would happen until Sylveon got announced. Stop trying to revise history to hide your embarrassment.
I still remember when people thought Xerneas and Yveltal were going to be the poster children for Light and Sound type reveals respectively. Xerneas because it looked elegant and hand rainbow horns, and Yveltal because people heard its cry in the initial XY release trailer cg.
I miss gen 6 hype discussions
Everyone assumed it was going to be the Normal type because Fairy hadn't been announced yet.
I remember losers saying Bug and even fricking Flying.
Fricking idiots.
Its such bad designs. No wonder. I still think it looks more like flying than fairy
nymphs fly and look like bugs
So it could have been a bug or flying type
Nymph is literally the term for a sexually immature insect. It's not just an association, it's the word for it.