Except EQ is still good and doesn't exist exclusively off nostalgia. Anyone that could get over the initial "wow this game is fricking ugly with a bad interface" will love it.
>Gutted all the cool roleplay mechanics >but kept the dogshit combat
The only reason anyone gives a shit about WoW is because its Blizzard's IP. Its in no way better than any of the 900 dogshit clones it spawned.
Tried it for a week as a Shadow Knight and couldn't really get into it. Something about WoW just made it feel more engaging. Also I guess you can't solo on certain classes which I imagine is a bit of a turn off?
various classes can solo but some that can are just painfully slow. Enchanter,druid,bard,necromancer, shaman and mage are the less painful options, with necromancer probably being the easiest. SK can solo but is one of those slow ones. This game was just made for grouping right out the gate
>Also I guess you can't solo on certain classes
Being able to solo is the death knell of a quality MMO. If you want to solo, then go play a single player game.
this is the first im hearing of it and my reaction is that i dont care until its actually out, they already burned me with everquest next and then brad had to go and die before finishing his game
Actually, funnily enough the CEO for daybreak somehow managed to worm his way into becoming the CEO for the Enad (a swedish company the ruskies sold them too) that bought them. Don't ask me how people keep doing this.
Anyway heres a slide from a recent investor conference that lists a new everquest game starting development soon. The new CEO (Which reminder is day breaks old CEO) Said that everquest is their most important IP. So it's looking pretty good this'll actually happen.
It says the project will be massively multiplayer, with a premium + MTX hybrid model. Sounds like an MMO.
8 months ago
Anonymous
sounds like death
All they have to do is make vanilla - PoP EQ with the same exact gameplay but have non shit animations, improved character creation, and more armor variety to collect/dye.
literal money printer right there
They should make it SP and offline
I just looked at EQ2, they are putting an expansion out soon and the base price is...
34.99
Fricking lol. That is what wow expansions go for
(looks kinda... pointless IMO, but cannot say I'm not intrigued by it. Like without a community/people to chat to during downtime/pulls, why bother?...)
It was cancelled almost 10 years ago. Pantheon was our only hope but McQuaid died and it doesn't seem like they'll ever make real progress on finishing that game
the cats on luclin ARE kerrans that got sent to the moon anyways.
I always thought old faces that became playable looked so soulless with their new playable models so a good example is FROGLOKs so much fricking soul in classic guk but look moronic with the playable models same when you compare kerran and vah'shir.
the classic textures are just so great, sad how much they fricked up revamping graphics
Why don't they just make more single player games that take place in the EQ universe?
You already have the lore and some of the stories.
Just make a Baldur's Gate-esque game on the cheap by simplifying mechanics and focusing on fun co-op
I like this guy's take on things. It's like blaming Michael Jordan for ruining basketball. Sure he was good but it wasn't his fault that everyone afterwards copied him, just because he was good doesn't mean he's the only style of player that should ever exist
I miss that 2000 to about 2009 era where everyone was doing their own thing.
One year your playing EQ, next your playing AO, then your trying out UO, RO, aion and eventually your experiencing age of conan
golden era of gaming that can never be recaptured
Same, in retrospect, I'll take Age of Conan over pretty much anything else that has come out since (exception being Wildstar, Warhammer Age of Reckoning and The Secret World coincidentally developed by Funcom)
The original big 3 were truly the golden era of MMOs. Asheron's Call, Ultima Online, and Everquest.
Really, UO and EQ were the kings. Original UO had so much fricking freedom it's unreal. You could fricking spend an entire weekend mining and making armor and weapons, and chopping down trees and making furniture. Then spend the next weekend fishing and going on treasure hunts.
SWG was really good but yeah your right, SWG was basically a more refined UO with structured pvp instead of FFA pvp.
I think the battlewounds aspect is interesting and wish more games used such a system to encourage tavern mingling.
WoW is the casual copy of EQ. If you look back at older editions of D&D you will see EQ is a more direct translation of D&D, you can see this with fire beetles and whatnot. You are doing the quest, questing, nothing but questing, with nothing to save you but your wits alone. You are meant to die, a lot. There were no safety features in those older editions. So it was up to you to survive based on your wits alone. WoW is too easy by comparison. FFXI attempts to copy EQ without resorting to casual gameplay like FFXIV. You are meant to die often. The only thing this sort of game lacks is an immersive roleplaying environment beyond combat. You can wander around each town and admire its presentation until you fall to your death, you can pretend your character is engaging in the rich lore and culture of the land, but there is precious little to do. Of course, a good DM would have more things to do, more activities available beyond traversing dungeons and killing things. Perhaps you would come across a monster and say hail well met, and the monster would reply in its AI generated context sensitive speech. And then all possibilities would be open from that point onward. So, it was not about EQ, it was about going to the IGN MMORPG boards and wondering what potential there could be in regards to immersive interactive online simultaneous roleplaying experience. What would developers do over the next twenty years. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Then the boards shut down. Not a single idea was considered. You are literally paying for XP and equipment, characters, more power. But what is there to do with all that power. What do you do next. So then EQ Landmark would set the stage for a more immersive, interactive experience where you could do literally anything, like minecraft but more mature. And then that was cancelled. There is no hope for you adventurer. There is nothing left to do.
Funny enough AI is perfect for EQ with the hail and conversing system.
Imagine creating an AI database that auto generates content based on the lore perimeters you set.
I remember playing the WoW beta, and reporting it to my friends who were all playing EQ with me at the time. the aspects of no real death penalty and every class being able to solo, were the two strong selling points. what fools we were.
SOE practically invented the themepark MMO subgenre and they effectively killed MMOs as a whole by being too stubborn and stupid to balance their classes properly, encouraging multiboxing.
If Asheron's Call were the reference point for WoW as "the big one", I think MMOs would be in a better place today.
>What's sandbox about it?
the lack of instances and the actually dynamic faction changes. You can kill guards and gain enough faction to the point monsters outside a nearby dungeon monsters won't attack you. Any race can go to any city with enough grinding (or if you're an enchanter via illusions.)
8 months ago
Anonymous
I killed so many freeport guards on my Iksar Necromancer leveling up I was allied with the paladins in freeport. Actually it was handy having at least one area in the mainland where everything didn't want to murder me.
Love EQ been playing it for years, hopped on quarm for the last 3 days and having no exp loss or corpse runs 1-9 makes it way more enjoyable.
I honestly think having to run back and pray you get your camp back in time is punishment enough but also understand having no real penalty on death would encourage people to do homosexual tier shit like 24/7 train zones or grief.
EQ retail is fine to go back to cash shop aside. EQ99 is autism incarnate. You know how WoW classic servers have some classes that are unbalanced and not very viable? That's a majority of classes in EQ99
eq classes are all unbalanced in cool ways that make them each unique experiences (aside from ungeared ranger but it can still get the job done). this is way better than how modern games water down class uniqueness just to make sure there's balance. I guess what I'm really saying is frick you.
>You know how WoW classic servers have some classes that are unbalanced and not very viable?
Besides some exceptionally overpowered classes like bard and enchanter and the underwhelming ranger, I wouldn't say the game is unbalanced. Most classes fill a particular niche, even if not in a raid environment. Which let's be honest isn't something accessible for most guilds in classic EQ anyway.
not a particularly fun game. classes are too samey, the skills arent particularly fun to use (okay Lifeburn is really fun if you have a good healer). too much skill bloat and spam for me.
Discovered this in 2021, once it clicked for me, it was unlike any other MMO i've ever played. it's incredible. watch out for LanternEQ once that is done.
WoW has the wow token in all versions of their game now. That, combined with people who run DKPs as a full time job, combined with gold sellers, makes the game pay to win.
Lost a months worth of raid items on Oakwynd to a quest turn in. The devs in the 24 years the game has been around have never gotten off their lazy asses and coded the game to return quest items to your inventory if the trade fails. Immediately quit. This is so common it's even a gm ticket policy. Who the frick gives such little of a shit about their own game you can go decades knowing this exists and not fricking fix it.
p99, nu-everquest, or something else for a first timer? i was too young when EQ was big, my parents wouldn't let me play subscription-based games. bless them honestly i would have been so addicted.
the same reason people still play wow classic
Except EQ is still good and doesn't exist exclusively off nostalgia. Anyone that could get over the initial "wow this game is fricking ugly with a bad interface" will love it.
malfunctioning neurons?
>You know WoW came out 19 years ago, right?
Yeah and it casualized the entire genre and killed it.
It still gets expacs and time locked progression servers played by boomers multi-boxing.
>Gutted all the cool roleplay mechanics
>but kept the dogshit combat
The only reason anyone gives a shit about WoW is because its Blizzard's IP. Its in no way better than any of the 900 dogshit clones it spawned.
Tried it for a week as a Shadow Knight and couldn't really get into it. Something about WoW just made it feel more engaging. Also I guess you can't solo on certain classes which I imagine is a bit of a turn off?
>not being able to solo
Awful
various classes can solo but some that can are just painfully slow. Enchanter,druid,bard,necromancer, shaman and mage are the less painful options, with necromancer probably being the easiest. SK can solo but is one of those slow ones. This game was just made for grouping right out the gate
>Also I guess you can't solo on certain classes
Being able to solo is the death knell of a quality MMO. If you want to solo, then go play a single player game.
>I need to type sentences to other people online
>on an mmo why isn't it single player
>ARGH ARGH AHHHHHHHHHH HELP ME
>massively multiplayer online
>why can't i solo
this is why the genre is dead
What do you guys think of the rumors of Everquest 3 finally starting development?
this is the first im hearing of it and my reaction is that i dont care until its actually out, they already burned me with everquest next and then brad had to go and die before finishing his game
They already started Everquest 3, then they binned it. Now they're a money laundering company for some Russian syndicate.
Actually, funnily enough the CEO for daybreak somehow managed to worm his way into becoming the CEO for the Enad (a swedish company the ruskies sold them too) that bought them. Don't ask me how people keep doing this.
Anyway heres a slide from a recent investor conference that lists a new everquest game starting development soon. The new CEO (Which reminder is day breaks old CEO) Said that everquest is their most important IP. So it's looking pretty good this'll actually happen.
3 year dev time for a large scale MMORPG seems short.
What if it's not an MMO?
It says the project will be massively multiplayer, with a premium + MTX hybrid model. Sounds like an MMO.
sounds like death
All they have to do is make vanilla - PoP EQ with the same exact gameplay but have non shit animations, improved character creation, and more armor variety to collect/dye.
literal money printer right there
They should make it SP and offline
I just looked at EQ2, they are putting an expansion out soon and the base price is...
34.99
Fricking lol. That is what wow expansions go for
There is actually a thing like that, coming out "eventually".
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2382520/Erenshor/
(looks kinda... pointless IMO, but cannot say I'm not intrigued by it. Like without a community/people to chat to during downtime/pulls, why bother?...)
>2028
AHHHH just give me the original zones on TLP's, nu-freeport is gross
>mechwarrior is planning to be shit on yet again
It was cancelled almost 10 years ago. Pantheon was our only hope but McQuaid died and it doesn't seem like they'll ever make real progress on finishing that game
Pantheon lol man if that game actually comes out and isn’t a complete dumpster fire I’ll eat my own ass
by the time it comes out, the OGs who played EQ will be deader than McCocaineQuaid
https://www.everquest.com/news/eq-2023-roadmap
EVERQUEST 30TH EXPANSION ANNOUNCEMENT THIS MONTH
people only care that they put out more TLP servers with fun/unique rule sets. frick expansions
EverQuest was only good in the classic era. Luclin completely ruined the game.
It's a shame because I like the cat dudes, but we have the Kerrans in base EQ that they could make playable.
the cats on luclin ARE kerrans that got sent to the moon anyways.
I always thought old faces that became playable looked so soulless with their new playable models so a good example is FROGLOKs so much fricking soul in classic guk but look moronic with the playable models same when you compare kerran and vah'shir.
the classic textures are just so great, sad how much they fricked up revamping graphics
it also sucks that druids cant shapeshift
uh bro, your wolf form?
Druids can turn into wolves, Shaman can turn into bears.
because it is comfy
Windurst?
modern EQ is better than modern WoW
of course this also goes for classic EQ
Considering classic EQ is just WoW but somehow worse I'd be inclined to agree with the question you proposed despite it being boomer/contrarian bait.
Classic EQ is a raw and borderline nebulous game, unlike classic WoW there is no window dressing. It's up to you to find meaning in each playthrough.
Why don't they just make more single player games that take place in the EQ universe?
You already have the lore and some of the stories.
Just make a Baldur's Gate-esque game on the cheap by simplifying mechanics and focusing on fun co-op
Sony was doing that with Champions of Norrath (hack and slash Diablo-like on PS2) but as soon as Sony sold to EG7, no one gave a shit about the IP.
hi newbie they did this already with a RTS game and a set of diablo clone games in the early 2000's
wow ruined MMOs and gaming in general
I like this guy's take on things. It's like blaming Michael Jordan for ruining basketball. Sure he was good but it wasn't his fault that everyone afterwards copied him, just because he was good doesn't mean he's the only style of player that should ever exist
I miss that 2000 to about 2009 era where everyone was doing their own thing.
One year your playing EQ, next your playing AO, then your trying out UO, RO, aion and eventually your experiencing age of conan
golden era of gaming that can never be recaptured
Same, in retrospect, I'll take Age of Conan over pretty much anything else that has come out since (exception being Wildstar, Warhammer Age of Reckoning and The Secret World coincidentally developed by Funcom)
The original big 3 were truly the golden era of MMOs. Asheron's Call, Ultima Online, and Everquest.
Really, UO and EQ were the kings. Original UO had so much fricking freedom it's unreal. You could fricking spend an entire weekend mining and making armor and weapons, and chopping down trees and making furniture. Then spend the next weekend fishing and going on treasure hunts.
SWG was really good but yeah your right, SWG was basically a more refined UO with structured pvp instead of FFA pvp.
I think the battlewounds aspect is interesting and wish more games used such a system to encourage tavern mingling.
WoW just feels more fun and engaging. The classes feel better too.
WoW is the casual copy of EQ. If you look back at older editions of D&D you will see EQ is a more direct translation of D&D, you can see this with fire beetles and whatnot. You are doing the quest, questing, nothing but questing, with nothing to save you but your wits alone. You are meant to die, a lot. There were no safety features in those older editions. So it was up to you to survive based on your wits alone. WoW is too easy by comparison. FFXI attempts to copy EQ without resorting to casual gameplay like FFXIV. You are meant to die often. The only thing this sort of game lacks is an immersive roleplaying environment beyond combat. You can wander around each town and admire its presentation until you fall to your death, you can pretend your character is engaging in the rich lore and culture of the land, but there is precious little to do. Of course, a good DM would have more things to do, more activities available beyond traversing dungeons and killing things. Perhaps you would come across a monster and say hail well met, and the monster would reply in its AI generated context sensitive speech. And then all possibilities would be open from that point onward. So, it was not about EQ, it was about going to the IGN MMORPG boards and wondering what potential there could be in regards to immersive interactive online simultaneous roleplaying experience. What would developers do over the next twenty years. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Then the boards shut down. Not a single idea was considered. You are literally paying for XP and equipment, characters, more power. But what is there to do with all that power. What do you do next. So then EQ Landmark would set the stage for a more immersive, interactive experience where you could do literally anything, like minecraft but more mature. And then that was cancelled. There is no hope for you adventurer. There is nothing left to do.
Funny enough AI is perfect for EQ with the hail and conversing system.
Imagine creating an AI database that auto generates content based on the lore perimeters you set.
AI will cause the resurgence of MMORPG's b/c it will create massive sidequest content, maybe even on the fly so quests are rarely repeated.
>There is no hope for you adventurer. There is nothing left to do.
Why are adventurers not playing UO private servers?
There an archive of those boards?
wow has never been good
I remember playing the WoW beta, and reporting it to my friends who were all playing EQ with me at the time. the aspects of no real death penalty and every class being able to solo, were the two strong selling points. what fools we were.
SOE practically invented the themepark MMO subgenre and they effectively killed MMOs as a whole by being too stubborn and stupid to balance their classes properly, encouraging multiboxing.
If Asheron's Call were the reference point for WoW as "the big one", I think MMOs would be in a better place today.
>EQ
>theme park
lmao
What's sandbox about it? Just because it's slightly more social than classic WoW doesn't make it a sandbox.
you're a dumbass
>THE themepark MMO that defined all future themepark MMO conventions
>uhhhh it's actually a sandbox dumbass
Shut the frick up you homosexual moron.
t. dumbass moron
>What's sandbox about it?
the lack of instances and the actually dynamic faction changes. You can kill guards and gain enough faction to the point monsters outside a nearby dungeon monsters won't attack you. Any race can go to any city with enough grinding (or if you're an enchanter via illusions.)
I killed so many freeport guards on my Iksar Necromancer leveling up I was allied with the paladins in freeport. Actually it was handy having at least one area in the mainland where everything didn't want to murder me.
darkfall was my favorite and it had so much wrong with it
being able to excel at soloing was the problem not the solution
This game is one of the comfiest games I've ever played. The lack of music just makes it so unbelievably engrossing.
Love EQ been playing it for years, hopped on quarm for the last 3 days and having no exp loss or corpse runs 1-9 makes it way more enjoyable.
I honestly think having to run back and pray you get your camp back in time is punishment enough but also understand having no real penalty on death would encourage people to do homosexual tier shit like 24/7 train zones or grief.
I sort of wanted to play quarm but Ive been wasting way too much of my life on mmos. I had to skip this one.
Gfay is peak comfy. Take me back please
>New orcs
oh god
For me it is Shadowbane
I'll play it if the music is good. Someone point me in the direction of the best eq music
Only low functioning autists still play everquest. That game is not fun to go back to at all.
EQ retail is fine to go back to cash shop aside. EQ99 is autism incarnate. You know how WoW classic servers have some classes that are unbalanced and not very viable? That's a majority of classes in EQ99
eq classes are all unbalanced in cool ways that make them each unique experiences (aside from ungeared ranger but it can still get the job done). this is way better than how modern games water down class uniqueness just to make sure there's balance. I guess what I'm really saying is frick you.
everything is viable you dumbfrick
>You know how WoW classic servers have some classes that are unbalanced and not very viable?
Besides some exceptionally overpowered classes like bard and enchanter and the underwhelming ranger, I wouldn't say the game is unbalanced. Most classes fill a particular niche, even if not in a raid environment. Which let's be honest isn't something accessible for most guilds in classic EQ anyway.
wow is probably the worst game ever made
wow came out? shit, let me stop playing everquest then
wait, I hate both of them
...People don't just play Everyquest 2? I thought that game had a really nice artstyle.
not a particularly fun game. classes are too samey, the skills arent particularly fun to use (okay Lifeburn is really fun if you have a good healer). too much skill bloat and spam for me.
Female iksar are the best part of everquest 2
You thought this was a good art style? EQ2 is one of the ugliest games I've ever seen
Soul
>People still play this? Why? You know FFXIV:ARR came out 10 years ago, right?
I love female iksar
>not female sarnak
I own one of the like 3 female sarnak lewds currently in existence. So far as I'm aware it's never been posted anywhere.
Now you're just teasing us. You could always change that by showing it off somewhere.
I just got off a vacation so I'm not gonna chance it again
Linking to it would be better anyways. Catbox exists.
Lol they're banning people for links now too, thats what my vacation was over.
Now I'm doubly disappointed. Oh well - good taste regardless, anon.
EQ is my comfort game. Sometimes I'll log into P99 and bask in the kino
Same. There will never be anything like it again
What if EQ but it looked good?
What would the artstyle be?
maplestory 2
>log in to p99
>/gems
>play for half an hour
>log out of p99
Discovered this in 2021, once it clicked for me, it was unlike any other MMO i've ever played. it's incredible. watch out for LanternEQ once that is done.
19 years old? Gam is liek babby
WoW has the wow token in all versions of their game now. That, combined with people who run DKPs as a full time job, combined with gold sellers, makes the game pay to win.
I really like p99, i had more fun with it than bg3 this year
what class have you been playing?
Lost a months worth of raid items on Oakwynd to a quest turn in. The devs in the 24 years the game has been around have never gotten off their lazy asses and coded the game to return quest items to your inventory if the trade fails. Immediately quit. This is so common it's even a gm ticket policy. Who the frick gives such little of a shit about their own game you can go decades knowing this exists and not fricking fix it.
gitgud
Was this AI made?
It was done by the late Keith Parkinson.
p99, nu-everquest, or something else for a first timer? i was too young when EQ was big, my parents wouldn't let me play subscription-based games. bless them honestly i would have been so addicted.
try quarm maybe, it just released. new server with accurate 2002 client.