>person named josh writes a super cool character named joshua
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He wasn't supposed to be cool
fpbp
If you think he's cool you missed the point
No he's definitely cool, he just wasn't supposed to be.
A lot of New Vegas is this way. The game was accidentally good in a lot of ways.
Yeah, he's coolest mummy ever
>If you think he's cool you missed the point
reminded me of this for some reason
jej
Does jej mean jostle every jimmie?
it's spanish for hah
neat
>jej is spanish
Frick...I've been saying it here since 2013. I just assumed it was a deliberate corruption of 'lel'
i figured it was a typo of kek like how pwned became a thing
Nta but it's heh in spanish
Why did Auschwitz have a swimming pool and a musical theater?
Stay on topic frick ass
So the nazis stationed their could go swimming and watch movies, I don’t even believe the 6 million shit but you morons lose all sense of logic when it comes this topic
Why are there photos of prisoners in the pool
>NOOOOOOOO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO INTERPRET IT HOWEVER WE WANT YOU TO!
You can understand the message his character is trying to convey while also thinking that he is a cool character.
The message is that it's cool to put a cap in General Gobbledyasiatic and teach the Sorrows to stand up for themselves the way Randall Clark would have wanted.
I usually convince Josh to spare him as it works out best for everyone in the end.
>Unkillable man of god who is full of rage
>Boogieman of the game's villains
>Spits out sick lines like a road stripe painting truck
>Even has an iconic gun
>Not meant to be cool
I mean they might not have intended him to be cool but that's only because they don't know what cool is.
lol his fricking melee option is pistol whipping with his gun
only a moron wouldn't think he was supposed to be cool
>uhmmm writer's decrees are absolute!!
no sometimes writers are moronic and lack self awareness
You're right, he's fire
hehehe
He is cool but flawed, like the Legion.
Source?
>Pick they guy who wants to fight for his home
>Or the guy who doesn't fight for his home so he loses it
>The former is supposed to be the "bad" choice
then they fricked up hard
Neither one is supposed to be bad you absolute mong.
>randall dying in vain isn't bad
What the frick ever general gobbledeyasiatic
>he wasnt suppose to be cool
>"i was baptised twice onces by water and again by fire"
>"we cant expect god to do all the work"
>"i survived because the fire inside burned brighter than the fire around me"
>"like the dogs of ceaser you are you followed us to zion, and now you stand on holy ground, a temple to god's glory on earth. but the only use for an animal in our temple is sacriface."
well if they didnt want him to be cool dont make him say such bad ass lines
To be fair anon, understand where we are right now. It wouldn't surprise me at all if I heard redditors and twittergay type people thought joshua was corny and overplayed.
Those lines wouldn't carry the same weight if he sounded like Kermit the Frog or Gilbert Gottfried. The VA elevated his performance to match that of a bible quoting warlord.
no this is just wrong that last one still sound intimidating even with both those voices applied
Kermit racking a gun saying we can't expect god to do all the work would be legendary, frick you
>"'By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion. Remember, O Lord, the Children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem who said, 'Raze it, raze it, even to the Foundation.' O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed. Happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones, against the stones.'
>"Do you know what it means?"
>When our Lord entered the temple and found it polluted by money changers and beasts, did he ask them to leave? Did he cry? Did he simply walk away?
>No, he drove them out
Go to a real human being and start rattling off those "cool" lines and see if they think you're cool or cringe.
just like 1 liners in movies, they're only cool in context.
walk up to anyone and say "hasta la vista, baby" and they'll cringe but will make a soiface when they hear it in a movie
Considering that laconic phrases exist I’d say they’re cool.
Literally every cool quote is this way moron. Shit is only cool the first time its said, after that it loses its punch
"can't expect god to do all the work" isn't even from him. he just uses it well.
>underage posting
If you respond to a threat in a calm, deep voice with no hesitation or fear while throwing a Bible quote into the mix your opponent will shit his pants 100%.
I'd like to see AI Joshua do the Ezekiel 25:17 speech from Pulp Fiction.
Oh well dang there you go.
>cringe ass larper schizo babbling
>cool
The fact that they had to stick him next to one of the biggest namby pamby nannies of all time (Daniel) should be enough clue, stick him next to someone like Boone or the king and he comes off as a seething coper.
Cheesy one liners carried by the VA
sometimes villains can be cool and still be villains anon
Violence and villainy are not the same thing.
>>"i survived because the fire inside burned brighter than the fire around me"
before playing the game, I kept hearing this so I was expecting him to be an edgy character obsessed with revenge against Caesar. I was actually surprised when I played the game and heard that his next line is
>the fire that had kept me alive was love
People have a tendency to exaggerate Graham and focus more on The Burned Man aspect of him. So he’s portrayed mostly as a religion fueled death machine or a pious crusader offering sage advice. When in reality he’s just a man marked by the sins of his past (literally) and just wants to seek redemption and peace.
>sick ass special guns
>very detailed animations
>bible verses before he pops you
>Literally deals with the worst pain imaginable 24/7 but ignores it because he has more important shit to do
Yes hes cool as fricking shit moron
>1911 pistol is "sick ass special"
They are literally unique guns homosexual. go back to /k/ you fricking larping nerd
>Has a gun named A Light Shining in Darkness
Well they failed.
lol homosexuals
I've noticed morons make comments like this even when the creator has not expressed this opinion. Like some moron twitteroid saying that "snowflake" as an insult is so heckin ironic cause the author of Fight Club is gay, therefore he must disagree with everything his "toxic male" characters said! Talk about condescending..
gonna ignore your nonsense schizobabble to point out that taking ~15 seconds to read Josh's opinions about anything ever will lead you to the conclusion that he was not intended to be a "cool" character
thanks for playing
he is obviously designed to be aesthetically appealing
nice goalpost no jutsu
Aesthetic appeal is cool.
yes? he is designed to be "cool". he has a gravelly voice, says "badass" shit, etc. and since when were flawed characters not "cool"?
further proof that Joshua appeals predominantly to teenagers
>only teenagers can like cool aesthetics
The only one that sounds like a teenager is you since all you’re is calling people immature for liking shit.
you will never be cool
>t. very mature 19 year old too old for cool stuff
>Bible quoting warmonger dressed like a mummy
>not cool as frick
Violent monster is given a second chance at life. He seemed to have changed, for a time at least, but then, he tragically goes back to violence, to his old ways.
nah I think he's cool and based
i think it's very cool to put in the effort to trying to be a better person but still very aware of one's own nature
also his voice is nice
if you don't want something to be cool then just don't make it cool
if morons can use death of the author to dump sewage opinions as fact then i can use it to enjoy characters
The character is meant to be enjoyed he’s just repeating the “you missed the point by idolizing them meme”incorrectly.
If you think he wasn't supposed to be cool, explain his animation.
He is literally me.
mormons are such fricking homosexuals holy shit
Literally. Fricking. Me.
who is fricking you?
ME
Gay christcuck character only zoomers obsess over
>christcuck
Uhh...
Don’t care, still voting Biden
>zoomers
>christianism
Dumb zoomer larping
>/misc/ seethes at the mention of Jesus
Many such cases
>Christian aren't allowed here
It's just coincidental
Joshua Graham is based on the biblical Joshua with many clear parallels e.g. he conquered Canaan by uniting Israelite tribes
It wouldn't have made sense to name him anything else based on his character and the story of Honest Hearts
He's always referred to as "Joshua" in the game for this reason never "Josh"
Chris wrote him though.
honest hearts was sawyers baby chris didnt touch it
Graham predates NV, and was created for Van Buren.
you mean the game that sawyer was lead designer for after avellone left black isle?
Graham was a completely different person in VB. He wasn't an irredeemable butthole you would find hanged (he was Hanged Man, not Burned Man back then), but inexplicably alive. Taking him in your party would literally turn certain settlements hostile.
>Honest Hearts has the best writing of any of the DLC
>Avellone isn't involved with it
>Avellone is the Fallout 2 writer and fills it with wacky shit
>Avellone writes Old World Blues and fills it with wacky shit
>Sawyer is a commie but seems to not let that interfere with writing interesting stories and characters that might disagree with his own views, at least as far as NV goes
>Avellone just writes a bunch of author tracts about how he hates the setting for having real civilization and has all the characters act as his mouthpiece
Avellone was good, and still can be when he wants to be like Nok-Nok. He got way too up his own ass though. The rape charges would probably improve his quality if he ever cares to get back into vidya.
Okay, now talk about Pillars of Eternity 2, which had Josh as the man writer and the project he is still defensive over to this day because "you didn't get it, it was just too smart for you" because the ending and pacing tongue frick my hemorrhoid's
>Old World Blues was my favorite
>Honest Hearts sucked ass
Based Avellone
Wouldn't expect anything less from this visionary.
miring his hair. i wonder if those curls are natural
looks like rachel maddow from the thumbnail
I would pay for a live reaction of sawyer seeing this image
He made it.
Why was the other guy such a cuck?
The illusion of choice. They had to give a pretend option to be a wussy gay and run away knowing that no self respecting man would ever side with Daniel.
Sawyer intended him to be asian but it was changed last minute.
>Joshua attempts to save the lives of his tribe
>Daniel attempts to save the souls of his tribe
Based on discussions here I think Daniel appeals more to older anons
lol
Daniel appeals to moral cowards with slave mentality. The white legs deserve nothing less than total genocide, and the people of Zion should be made to understand that, not kept in perpetual fricking daycare. They aren't going to have some honky from Utah protecting them forever.
Here we can see an example of Joshua appealing predominantly to teenagers
The Sorrows and Daniel already defend themselves and are shown throughout HH to be willing and ready to do so. Joshua is proposing warfare, which is what Daniel is rejecting.
What's funny to me is that Daniel / Joshua are fairly well-written characters when put next to each other and have an impressive level of nuance / symbolism to them but people can't into any of this stuff and just side with the guy saying "kill them all" lol
There is no nuance, you pussy fricking coward. There are rampaging psychopaths and you have the option to stop them and instead you choose to run away. It's pathetic, it's evil, even. If you have the capacity to stop villainy, you have the DUTY to act on it.
Further proof that Joshua appeals to teenagers
>wanting to defend yourself and prevent the slaughter of your home and family is for teenagers
Yeah man it’s so much more mature to run off and be the “bigger person” about the whole thing.
Growing up doesn't mean being a cowardly boot-licking b***h, you homosexual.
But all Josh is advocating for is militant defense he’s not going to be taking war bands to The Great Salt Lake to frick up their villages and camps he’s just trying to repel them from Zion. There’s nothing really fricked up about that the issue is that he’s faking into his old habits which can be remedied.
>all Josh is advocating for is militant defense
Josh's plan is to march on their encampment and execute all of them, anon
You can think it's a better option but you don't need to pretend that this is "defense" lmao
His plan was to drive them out of Zion which they were invading, he wasn’t going to The Great Salt Lake like I said so yeah it is indeed defensive. Did you even play the DLC?
>slaughter everyone
>last man alive is begging for his life
>blast his brains out defensively while he is prone
it's like an MDE skit
That's why the good ending of Honest Hearts is routing the White Legs and stopping Joshua from giving into the vengeance rage. Righteous violence tempered by mercy when the violence stops being righteous.
Letting him go is moronic. He's a barbarian raider. Even if he doesn't come back to you, he'll just go raping and murdering an easy target. When you have the devil's throat in your hands, you squeeze.
No, the good ending is to kill the white legs utterly. Revenge is good, no matter what that homosexual Sawyer thinks of it.
Damn right anon, it was a self defense situation, I had to execute him as he begged for his life
Yes. Unironically. Monsters don't learn, they can only be destroyed.
>let him live
>so he can regroup, rebuild, and attack again
Don't start a fricking war if you're not ready to die.
>>so he can regroup, rebuild
he's a chieftan of a tribe that prides itself on strength and conquest and he's pleading for his life, terrified. he won't ever get back his position
The actual roman empire fell into decline and eventually collapsed im large part because of murderous morons being let off the hook out of a moronic belief they had learned their lesson.
>so he can regroup, rebuild, and attack again
Not going to happen, all of his forces are gone and since the White Legs subsist solely on raiding. They end up becoming weak until they are ultimately devoured by rival tribes.
Stop being obtuse anon they're trying to tell you to it was right to spare him for Joshua's mental health. There is no reason to push him into being worse than he is, he's effective enough without returning to his old ways. In universe its because your character cares about what happens to him and the tribe, but in reality it's also just the more pragmatic choice.
>There is no reason to push him into being worse than he is,
Pretentious waffling. Killing Salt is the best thing he can do. It is both the practically and morally correct choice. Let ever raider and barbarian have nightmares of the burning boogieman coming to give them what they deserve.
Man you could've just said you were a larper, I wouldn't have bothered. Enjoy yourself I guess
Do you have an actual argument?
Not him but I and another person gave you some and you haven’t replied to us?
That wasn't me, but I already addressed similar posts earlier in the thread: the fact that the ending slides showed letting Salt go happened to work is not an argument for what kind of choice should have been made, assuming you can't actually see the future. More importantly, even if you are pretty sure... who gives a shit? Why leave even the slightest possibility that this animal could survive and continue to prey on the weak?
Not him but all but one is dead. He wouldn't survive on his own. Other tribes would kill him, going back to Caesar would get him kill, and he would die because he cannot grow or produce anything.
On the other side of thing, the choice is made so Graham can't keep blaming or using God as an excuse, and that he causing all the problem. Not only that, he now has a group of people he responsible for and need to follow by example.
Not all the white legs took part in the raid on zion, though the remainder disintegrate immediately if you kill Salt, or get picked off by rivals if you spare him.
>On the other side of thing, the choice is made so Graham can't keep blaming or using God as an excuse, and that he causing all the problem
What "problem"? Joshua's rage is productive. It is a solution. Enough of it might backburn the whole legion.
You're no Christian, you're literally just the nth edgy teen larping because it's easy to pretend to be pious on an anonymous forum. Even hardened Joshua would call you a homosexual for this post.
>Christianity is when you let subhuman slaver gangs rule middle america and rape your people to death
lol
Also what I'm saying is true whether you're Christian or not.
Letting one villain live (and die out in the desert within the week) to help a brother to salvation is PEAK Christian, you deus vult tier homosexual.
>t. Attended two catholic private schools
>to help a brother to salvation
Total nonsense. Nothing about the act one way or another changes his past or his nature. In fact, not killing Salt proves that Joshua has no excuse to even be alive.
>Christianity is killing an defenseless man who just lost all of his forces and is surrendering
Monster or not that’s not the way and Josh even acknowledges this if you you talk him down.
>Also what I'm saying is true whether you're Christian or not
Doesn’t deny it frick off larper.
White Legs want to join Caesar Legion, which Joshua help create. Caesar would let them in if they destroy New Canaan. Caesar expect they would kill Joshua through this. All the event that happen in Honest Heart lead back to Joshua. Joshua finally realize this when you remain him at that very moment.
He knew all of that all along. It's a long series of sins he can't take back. But he can at least turn his strength against the evil he helped to culture.
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm saying it's foolish to pretend he's something other than what he is. Maybe even more importantly, the person you would have him be is not "better".
He knew, but he keep saying ITS FOR GOD, until he realize it was all on him.
It can be both.
>Monster or not that’s not the way
YES IT IS. YOU KILL THE MONSTER. Jesus said to forgive those who offend you, those who steal or defraud, those who break social rules, not those who war against you, try to kill you and everyone you love. You make any who hear the tale of HIS life and death shudder with fear at the idea of following in his footsteps! These animals only know fear, would you have them be more afraid of Caesar than God?
>Jesus said to forgive those who offend you, those who steal or defraud, those who break social rules, not those who war against you, try to kill you and everyone you love.
Jesus being tortured and executed: "forgive them father, for they know not what they do"
If Jesus did indeed say this, he was naive, they knew exactly what they were doing.
>If Jesus did indeed say this, he was naive
most pious Ganker christgay
Jesus's kin celebrate his execution to this day and believe he is being tortured in hell. He challenged their authority and so they destroyed him, caring not if his claim was legitimate or not.
>I'm not ignoring anything. I'm saying it's foolish to pretend he's something other than what he is
But here the thing the person you describe as what he is, is what he became before Caesar Josh was just a normal New Cannanite he didn’t do the fricked up shit until he met started leading troops and even then it was a slow decline into horror.
>Maybe even more importantly, the person you would have him be is not "better"
Considering that it helps him find peace while also defending his family it is not to mention it helps prevent the tribes from going apeshit and fighting each other.
>before Caesar Josh was just a normal New Cannanite
Please. You think he just grew into his role? Learned on the job how to be the best walord in the west? He was born for it.
>Considering that it helps him find peace
"Peace". Zion is still surrounded by hyenas, and uncomfortably close to the Bull. They need a war chief, not a peace chief.
>Please. You think he just grew into his role? Learned on the job how to be the best walord in the west? He was born for it
Play the game, seriously play the game
>"Peace". Zion is still surrounded by hyenas, and uncomfortably close to the Bull
Stop being obtuse he finds inner peace not to mention he doesn’t stop fighting he’s just not going scorched earth constantly. Which again you’d know if you played the game.
You play the game you fricking moron. This is who he is. You think anyone could have done what he did?
>he doesn’t stop fighting he’s just not going scorched earth constantly.
If he spares a few more Salts it will bring about the end of his people.
No it’s not he explains it to you how all this shit happened and how he became how he is, so again I’ll say play the game
>inb4 he just trying to justify
Considering that he openly says he regrets what he did and is trying to leave it behind him no, he isn’t
>If he spares a few more Salts it will bring about the end of his people.
Whataboutsim, we’re talking about here and now and the now is that if he kill Salt he goes full burned man and starts fricking shit up again and the tribes go apeshit and start fighting.
>and starts fricking shit up again and the tribes go apeshit and start fighting.
This does not happen. All that happens is they become increasingly mercilous against aggressors. Good.
Considering that they were once a peaceful people that only used violence in self defense no it isn’t. That added with Josh going full burned man and training them into an army shit isn’t going to go well.
Why not? They still have good relations with traders from California, so it's not like they're going full Boomer.
Because the Burned Man is mentally unstable and literally anyone that enter Zion could be a threat as that point if he decides it.
Mental instability isn't going to be solved by sparing one guy. We also have no reason to believe he would make war on good people, and the ending confirms it.
It's justice. The punishment for his crimes is death.
>Mental instability isn't going to be solved by sparing one guy
Considering that it’s the straw that breaks the camels back in terms of him going full Burned Man since it isn’t just about Salt and the White Legs it’s about everything Caesar, New Cannan all the shit that has happened. Like I said before Josh is at a crossroads one path leads him to his old ways while the other leads him to finding peace’s. And we do since his ending for when he executes Salt says he becomes even more depraved and terrifyingly.
Good. The enemies of zion should be afraid.
If by threat you mean group of traders that occasionally do business with the Legion then yes they should.
>Josh is at a crossroads
It sounds funny to refer to him as "Josh".
Josh is such a bro name.
Josh and Dan save Zion, coming theatres this summer.
And I already pointed out to you that even without relying on the ending the White Legs are still done since 1. They have no forces left and they rely on raiding and 2. The hypothetical that The Legion would come after them since they failed him and no one escapes Caesars justice.
>More importantly, even if you are pretty sure... who gives a shit? Why leave even the slightest possibility that this animal could survive and continue to prey on the weak?
>hey the guy who’s forces are all dead and who’s been utterly crushed physically, mentally, and spiritually is surrendering
>we should kill him to make sure he doesn’t return with the forces that he doesn’t have and can’t replenish
There are other white legs. But even if you weren't factually wrong, killing him is still what he deserves, what all his victims deserve.
You crushed their main forces, most of them are gone and they have no way of replenishing those numbers since they subsist on raiding. And stop larping you don’t give a shit about his victims. All killing does is make Josh go full burned man and make the tribes go ape shit.
>All killing does is make Josh go full burned man and make the tribes go ape shit.
The former is good and the latter is not true. All that happens is that the Sorrows stop listening to Daniel. And good fricking riddance.
No since he’s just as fricked up as he was before doing all the same depraved shit and it is true since the Dead Horses and The Sorrows turn on eachother and start fricking shit up.
Violence against aggressors is not "fricked up". Friction between the dead horses and sorrows builds if they remain in Zion at all, with no changed based on whether you spare Salts or not.
>Friction between the dead horses and sorrows builds if they remain in Zion at all
Only now all of them are extremely militaristic and unwilling to show mercy that a fricking time bomb waiting to go off. Especially when there’s a way where everyone can be happy an find peace while also not being push overs.
>it was right to spare him for Joshua's mental health. There is no reason to push him into being worse than he is, he's effective enough without returning to his old ways. In universe its because your character cares about what happens to him and the tribe, but in reality it's also just the more pragmatic choice.
I wasn't even killing him for Joshua, I was killing him because they attacked the caravan that I was a part of and haven't not shot at me on sight. From the eyes of the courier they are no different than Motor runner and his group of raiders. The frickers need to be wiped off the face of the Earth.
I said NOT killing him is for Joshua, but obviously if you don't understand how hard it is to build back up a raiding tribe (or anything in that universe) from scratch I suppose it makes sense to kill him to prevent any future possible conflict.
The point of my post was that I'm not there for Joshua, I'm there for me. Ot just so happens Joshua's willing to assist because he has his own axe to grind. The idea that I would give any raider leader any mercy just because he realized how bad he fricked up at the 11th hour is moronic. I don't care how hard it would be for him to move on after the fact, he's reaping what he's sown.
>slaughter everyone
I mean they’re trying to kill them
>last man alive is begging for his life
Like a dumb animal
>blast his brains out defensively while he is prone
I mean I convinced Josh to spare him but if that’s what you did that’s whatever I guess
>inb4 muh speech checks
It’s not far fetched Josh is at a key juncture throughout the course of the DLC he’s been trying to deal with the man he was and the man he wants at that moment he’s at the precipice you helping him through it is normal.
>Like a dumb animal
actually lolling
>this guy wants to live? what a dumb homosexual. what a total fricking moron. stupid ass.
If he wanted to live he shouldn't have raped and pillaged. Did he think he would never meet his match? Yes he is a dumb homosexual, a total fricking moron. Undeserving of the life for which he now begs.
>actually lolling
Considering you’ve presented no counter argument and are just focusing on one thing I said while ignoring the others I suppose that all you can do.
>this guy wants to live? what a dumb homosexual. what a total fricking moron. stupid ass
Considering that he’s in the exact same position he’s has put countless people prior to himself and would have happily continued to do if we didn’t stop him yeah I’d say he is. Graham faced certain death with absolute calm while this butthole is pissing himself.
>Considering you’ve presented no counter argument and are just focusing on one thing I said while ignoring the others I suppose that all you can do.
Am I supposed to pretend that calling someone a dumb animal for not wanting to be executed isn't funny? Are you really such a humorless homosexual that you can't take a step back and appreciate the absurdity of the situation?
> Are you really such a humorless homosexual
Considering that I quoted dumb animal line as actual joke and that you ignored everything else to call it out because from all appearances it was the weakest of the arguments (because it wasn’t really). I have to ask are you?
I'm not arguing with you, stop acting like an offended pseud
>stop acting like an offended pseud
Is that why after failing to create counter argument you hyper fixated on a singular point and then when you were called out you just started spewing copes? Get bent homosexual learn to argue or get better points.
>im not arguing with you
>hah learn to argue. cope!
based moron
>The dilemma doesn't exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island
But you were though just because you say all of a sudden you weren’t doesn’t mean the comment chain exist, you just said you were done and insulted me like a child after you couldn’t come up with a counter argument and got called out.
>I'm not arguing with you
>Yes you are!
based moron
Yeah bro this is totally you not arguing
This where you start coping
not gonna read any of that hahaha
>gets called out and goes into full cope mode
Lol I accept your concession.
based moron
moron
It is defense. They marched to his lands to rape, plunder, and exterminate the people living there. Destroying them utterly is not only justice, it's the only way to save their home.
>>Here we can see an example of Joshua appealing predominantly to teenagers
just because you find Old World Justice morally reprehensible due the times you live in, it doesn't make it any less just. mercy should depend on intention - reaction should match the action. in this case, showing mercy to those that wanted your destruction is naive at best. this idea that justice = forgiveness shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the concept. Lady Justice literally wears a blindfold and holds a sword in one hand, yet here you are dismissing Joshua's ideals as nihilistic teenage fantasy. if you don't have the stomach for justice, then exempt yourself from deciding, because you'd be failing to deliver it and doing something worse.
probably telling that it is largely religious people who would side with Joshua, while non-religious/humanist people would choose Graham.
>Old World Justice
So not depicted with a blindfold. Also a key part of justice is delivering an appropriate punishment to fit the crime and balance wrongs but of course you deliberately exclude the scales which is actually present in ancient examples.
what a dumb cope post lmao. the concept of justice goes back thousands of years you fricking moron, Lady Justice isn't a new concept and existed in the Old World all the same. just because you can point at a period in time where situations of 'guilty until proven innocent' existed doesn't mean you can't also find examples of blind justice taking place.
>delivering an appropriate punishment to fit the crime
yeah and the appropriate punishment for trying to destroy a people is...death. looks like Joshua is correct and i didn't omit the scales after all.
>the concept of justice goes back thousands of years you fricking moron, Lady Justice isn't a new concept
I never implied that are you illiterate? I said the blindfold was added later which makes your previous argument silly.
>yeah and the appropriate punishment for trying to destroy a people is...death.
He wants to exterminate the White Legs as a whole not merely the ones that are fighting. Humans don't generally escalate violence to the most extreme terms otherwise we would return border skirmish fire with nukes.
cringe
It amazes me that people are incapable of even understanding Daniel's position when he is placed directly next to Punish Sneed (Formerly the Malpais Legate).
His position is moronic. "Oh no the Sorrows might have to stop being ignorant savages!" So fricking what? You're literally teaching them your religion, it's not like you're even preserving their culture.
>You're literally teaching them your religion, it's not like you're even preserving their culture.
Daniel straight up tells you that his evangelism didn't work and that they simply adopt the symbols into their pre-existing framework
Realizing his error he stays with them to guide them as best he can
Did you homies even read the dialogue? The frick?
Daniel is obviously still trying to evanglise them to Christianity. at no point does he indicate that he is going to stop. also why would he? that would go against his religion
>Daniel straight up tells you that his evangelism didn't work and that they simply adopt the symbols into their pre-existing framework
No, YOU tell HIM that. Did YOU play the fricking game?
>Daniel appeals to moral cowards with slave mentality
Yeah, that's why he is the less chosen option.
>slave mentality
>white legs DESERVE
>assuming he's a nihilist when he could be a self deterministic existentialist or absurdist
2 int
The scripture Daniel follows involves plenty of standing up for your tribe and not letting people unjustly run you off or kill your family. Daniel is just a naive coward.
>Daniel appeals more to older anons
Daniel, like the survivalist, has a paternalistic view of the Sorrows. It's not surprising that's more relatable for older anons who are responsible for others. He's still wrong though.
The Survivalist writes about how while he was so happy to see the childlike ways of the Sorrows, he also knows that they will have to grow up and face the realities of the wasteland they live in. The ending where the Sorrows fight off the White Legs but Joshua doesn't go blood mad accomplishes that.
This is especially damning to me since Randall knew them as actual children and acknowledges this while Daniel who knows them as adults who have lived in Zion for over a century still knowingly coddles and infantilizes them.
Daniel is experiencing the Prime Directive / anthropologist dilemma of "do I fundamentally change your society forever or allow you to continue developing on your own"
To Joshua this dilemma doesn't exist, he simply doesn't think this way
I think both solutions have their own validity and, as others have said, there's clearly a superior middle-road option, but refusing to see Daniel's perspective at all seems immature to me.
You don't need to agree with him to understand his position.
The dilemma doesn't exist. It's something thought up for a scifi show to create more kinds of artificial dilemmas for a crew of people piloting what might as well be a cosmic god machine that rendered most hypothetical physical challenges obsolete.
The correct thing to do with uncontacted or primitive peoples is whatever seems like it will help them the most in the long run. There are no hard rules about what that is, you actually have to fricking think about it and consider the consequences. There is no intrinsic value in not accidentally altering a culture that could possibly be worth even a single life.
>The correct thing to do with uncontacted or primitive peoples is [the correct thing to do]
wow very profound anon
But that's just the thing, it really is that simple. You have to do the math, every time. There are no guiding principles, no prime directive.
>there is no dilemma
>I will demonstrate this by showing that there is a dilemma every time that must be reasoned through
mama mia
There is no dilemma over whether you should contact or mess with their culture to save them. The answer is always yes. The only question is determining whether and how they need help.
You play the game, moron. You're talking about something that happens AFTER your ending choice, and which had no particular reason to happen based on your choice.
>wipe out main military force of a tribe that subsists on raiding an pillaging who were also tasked to take over Zion and kill Graham by Caesar a man who punishes anyone who fails him even his right hand/ oldest friend.
Like is said play the game moron.
They were killed by rivals because they decided to go home rather than push west, the legion had nothing to do with it
Really I thought they bounced back since the ending doesn’t matter?
The fact that your hypothetical logic for letting them go didn't apply even in the ending where they die is proof it doesn't make sense. They would only get killed by the legion if they were dumb enough to go back to the legion empty handed. But also, if they're just going to die anyway, no reason not to kill them yourself. The worst outcome is them not dying, which could only happen if you spare them.
It did though if you actually took the time to examine it. The White Legs subsist raiding, to raid you need people who can fight and lead raiding parties now if all of their forces are wiped out how are they going to do that? So that mean they end up in the weakened state that lead to them being devoured by the other tribes. And btw I used the Legion as an example since you decided that the ending didn’t matter (even though you immediately brought it up in the next reply). Also they would be killed since Caesar sent them on the mission if they don’t check in or take to long he’s going to assume they failed and come after them anyway.
>The White Legs subsist raiding, to raid you need people who can fight and lead raiding parties now if all of their forces are wiped out how are they going to do that?
By going west. But the white legs were just fricking moronic and stayed around Utah for no reason other than to facilitate a dumbass fairy tail ending where the villain is spared for no reason but then gets what he deserves regardless, so we can pretend that refusing to get our hands dirty is somehow noble
By going west into Vegas and NCR lands and into the path of Caesar after their forces have been crushed and leader is made into a sobbing b***h yeah no. Also it’s not a fairytale since through the course of the story Graham has been dealing with balancing between being himself and the Burned Man he is at a key juncture. When you face General Gobbledyasiatic he is at the precipice and you can either let him fall or help him step back. Also the fact that you’re choosing to ignore that Graham, The Courier, and the tribals killed or routed all of The White Legs before even getting to Salt really shows how desperate you are. He even executed two before going to deal with them.
>Also the fact that you’re choosing to ignore that Graham, The Courier, and the tribals killed or routed all of The White Legs before even getting to Salt
There are others. They collapse without a leader if you kill Salt. You have no reason not to. You take only unforced risk by letting him live. Graham is the burned man and he was before he was covered in pitch. He is a killer. Let him kill for God.
They fall no matter what happens If you fight them they fall (whether you kill salt or not) if you help them they get assimilated into the Legion nothing of what they were remains. No he became the Malpais Legate after he joined Edward and slowly became a monster then all of the shit happened and he went back to Josh but when Caesar came after him again that when the Burned Man came into the picture and Josh is trying to balance between the two until you face Salt. But he’s not killing for god he’s killing for himself and using god as a justification he literally says it himself when you convince him to spare Salt.
>But he’s not killing for god he’s killing for himself
It can be both. Killing villains is the right thing to do regardless of whether you enjoy it. Nobody ever gives this kind of pussy talk to doom guy.
>he literally says it himself when you convince him to spare Salt.
Yeah people are generally good at justifying moral cowardice.
But killing him doesn’t do anything aside from frick up Graham and the tribes, ultimately if you spare him Graham learns to temper his rage and find peace, the tribes learn how to defend themselves while also not going crazy, the White Legs fall anyway, and Happy Trails regroups and becomes successful. The only person that isn’t happy is Daniel but he’s unhappy no matter what you do.
>from frick up Graham and the tribes,
Graham has personally killed hundreds of people and one more means nothing. There is nothing "crazy" about killing those who aggress you.
Again you’re ignoring that he went through a bunch of shit before he goes back to New Cannan and faces Salt in Zion. He’s trying not to fall back into his old habits, also they don’t just defend if Graham kills Salt they start fighting amongst themselves and becoming more militant.
What Graham did wrong before was go around conquering and slaughtering people where they lived for the sin of not already being part of the legion. He was a horrific slave lord leading a gigantic army of roaming murderers. Graham being brutally violent in defense against the very kind of people he used to be is absolutely a good thing, regardless of how the ending slides try to say "but now he's a meanie :("
Nta but if people were automatons that could commit violent acts in a vacuum with no consequences you'd be right anon. Giving a fricked up person carte blanche to kill anyone (even for a good cause), and unsurprisingly they'll get worse. Joshua already had the makings of a good leader and general, the final lesson he needed to learn was mercy. He was already a hardened warrior capable of protecting his people, the (You) needed to do was to lock the dial on a reasonable setting.
There is no reasonable level of mercy for a genocidal murderer. They deserve nothing less than total destruction. That Graham himself was spared was not to give him a second chance, but merely an opportunity to do some good with his talents before his well deserved end.
Why are you purposely ignoring that between him being the Legate and Zion he was completely humbled and tried to become a person and let go of his past? Because the only way for your argument to work is if those things didn’t happen. Graham’s entire conflict in HH is balancing the man he was with the man he wants to be.
The point of joshua's story is that he was given a second chance, baptised in fire. He's trying to make up for his past but the person he was, the brutal and vengeful warlord, keeps crawling back out of him. How you end the game determines if that person he was, the malpais legate, wins his soul or not.
>The correct thing to do with uncontacted or primitive peoples is whatever seems like it will help them the most in the long run. There are no hard rules about what that is, you actually have to fricking think about it and consider the consequences.
Fast jump from not thinking there was a dilemma to admitting there was a dilemma.
>There is no intrinsic value in not accidentally altering a culture that could possibly be worth even a single life.
The intrinsic value is that, for all your god machine or white man powers can do, the bell of "elevating their culture" cannot be unrung. Once you decide you should intervene, you doom them and yourselves to an eternity of "the colonists raped our lands and stole our culture in the name of their demonic 'progress' "
>Once you decide you should intervene, you doom them and yourselves to an eternity of "the colonists raped our lands and stole our culture in the name of their demonic 'progress' "
true. better to just euthanize them
sad that no colonists seem to have recognized this dilemma for what it is
But Daniel is trying changing them he’s advocating that they leave their land and go to a place where they will ultimately have to change and adapt to survive. Not to mention he’s been trying to convert the to Christianity which isn’t going well because they confused the Father in the caves (Randall) and The Father (God). Daniels thing is that he looks upon them as noble savages that need to have their “innocence” preserved to the point where he will actively coddle and lie to them to see this through.
But he doesn’t, his care for them doesn’t come from a place of wanting to protect them it’s to protect what he perceives as innocence.
Basically he’s traumatized by the destruction of his home and most of his people so he’s projecting this ideas of innocence onto The Sorrows unaware or in denial that if they leave not only will they have to deal with all that shit any way but they’ll be doing it in a much more dangerous place.
jesus would favor daniel
Joshua is old testament
Daniel is new testament
simple as
Dude the New Testament is literally mostly about Jesus, but he is wrong about Daniel.
No he wouldn't. Jesus taught people to cooperate rather than struggle against each other, to be kind and generous. That's why the israelites killed him. Nothing he preached about involved wars or invaders.
Think you're mixing the characters up m8
I think you're misreading my post. Jesus teaching people within a society to be good to each other is completely different from saying it's wrong to kill invaders.
see
>The Sorrows and Daniel already defend themselves and are shown throughout HH to be willing and ready to do so. Joshua is proposing warfare, which is what Daniel is rejecting.
I think like a lot of you guys wrote Daniel off as gay and didn't actually pay attention to what he was saying or his parts of the story.
Daniel isn't defending shit, they're running away with their tails between their legs, praying they won't be followed, and willfully ignoring what the white legs will do once they're done eating Zion (move on to somewhere else to rape and pillage). Saying "I refuse to fight a war" is an immoral choice when fighting that war would make the world a better place.
But Daniel wasn’t fighting he was just sitting in the Sorrows camp most of the time while the rest were out fighting. Not to mention he treats the Sorrows as if they’re children to the point where he withholds extremely vital information from someone who’s supposedly a good friend, because he thought it would impede her. And when you actually tell he she is obviously hurt but continues on because she understands the gravity of the situation and is ultimately able to move on and even forgive Daniel. He’s not evacuating Zion because it’s right he’s doing it to preserve some idea of innocence that he has projected onto them because he’s fricked up from the destruction of New Canaan. I mean in literally none of his endings is he happy whether he gets his way or not.
Daniel is a gay homosexual for trying to twist the legacy of Randall Clark into some bible thumping garbage.
I agree about Daniel l, but he and the Sorrows don’t really know who Randall is.
>the israelites
You fricking mongoloid, Jesus was killed by the romans. He was a israelite.
maybe you should read the bible, jesus was killed by israelites.
jesus didn't have a 1911
Listen? Have you ever seen the burnt insides of a man's butthole?
Jordan I'm 80 years old now Jordan help me dude
My fricking back my fricking back Jordan
>Joshua Graham teaches you how to get girls
I still can't even keep my frickin room clean at 80 Jordan help me bud come on.
>bro if we just move from our familiar home we are sure to find a paradise of sunshine and rainbows with no aggressive tribes that will be mad we are moving into their territory
>bro trust me
Dude it me.
It's all me.
I did that.
Yep.
I did dat.
old school wrathful god would absolutely want the white legs erased from existence
Its a sin to say god's name in vein.
Yep I might be tortures for eternity.
No it isn't a sin to beat someone up just saying goddammit is a sin.
>play Fallout on release
>have no clue who this guy is cause he wasn't in the base game
No rape isn't a sin only being gay is a sin!
Because neoliberals are totally anti rape! They aren't just corporate wienersuckers! Haha heckin based saying gay is evil but rape is okay!
Only gay is a sin! Beating your son and permanently crippling him is just discipline you fricking israelite!
Joshua graham vs lanius.
The first legate vs the scariest legate, which will win Ganker?
Joshua is Joshua's own thoughts on Mormonism
Arcade is Joshua's actual self insert https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Arcade_Gannon_(Van_Buren)
>Joshua is Joshua's own thoughts on Mormonism
I've spent a lot of time with Mormons IRL while I lived in Utah and yeah this checks out. Fascinating people and the most masculine group of whytes I spent time with by far.
They even showed me their doomsday stockpile, shit was cash.
yeah I cant really argue with that, they gave him some zingers
my thoughts are more along the line of
>nonstop storylines about people appropriating cultures and symbols of the past that they don't understand
>Joshua clearly fits this bill
Do we ever get Ulysses' thoughts on Joshua?
>atheist liberal named Joshua writes a super cool Christian right-wing character named Joshua
>Joshua's character arc is that he has control his wraith and make sure he doesn't fall back into becoming a bloodthirsty monster
>DUDE JOSHUA IS LE BASED BECAUSE HE KILLS PEOPLE
The entire point of sparing Salt-Upon-Wounds is to show that deep down Joshua is a angry and vengeful man who uses righteousness as an excuse to brutally retaliate against his enemies even when he has the upper hand.
>NO BUT THE WHITE LEGS WOULD JUST COME BACK
The ending of HH states that the White Legs get picked off by other tribes so there's no chance of them ever being a threat to the Mojave
>The ending of HH states that the White Legs get picked off by other tribes
>dude just look into the future lmao
fricking idiot.
>Game states that they disintegrate
>DUDE THEIR GOING TO COMEBACK OK
>THIS MINOR FACTION WILL RETURN BECAUSE IT JUST WILL OK
The game states it AFTER you spare Salt Upon Wounds.
Also this
Play the game moron
even if the white legs arent a factor a new tribe like fiends or khans would show up
better to be ready to show your serious than to run away anytime there is trouble
I'm not saying Joshua is wrong or that Daniel is right I'm just saying that him wanting to kill Salt-Upon-Upon was based on his own desires.
The people that make this memes are mainly zoomers and tradcaths with mostly surface level knowledge of his character and arc. And yeah I don’t know why people argue that they’ll come back in every ending whether you kill or spare General Gobbledyasiatic the White Legs are done, frick even if they succeed they’re done.
israelite Vegas is the worst game in the series
>t. fallout pee fan
Make another shitty versus thread homosexual, people that actually like Fallout games are here.
These ai edits irk me because there's already a great complete professional reading of the Bible with a very similar voice
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It should irk you more because it is quite literally soulless machinery made by the satanic freaks of Silicon Valley mocking the word of God Himself.
>kill off khans in 1
>they are back
>kill off khans in 2
>they are back
>get massacred off screen in new vegas
>WE ARE BACK BABY
>b-but white legs cant come back though
White Legs are primitive savages and the Great Khans are a bunch of not-meth slinging biker LARPers.
don't care, I always chose daniel because I've read all the ending slides on wikia and this option seemed best for everyone (all the tribes live happily and the bad tribe dissolves on its own)
the only reason I played this dlc was the survivor's armor anyway
Shit bait.
He's partially based on Joshua from the bible, who goes through various tribulations uniting the tribes of Israel, and he's also a literal version of the Parable of the Prodigal Son. I also think he's partially based on Job, personally. The name is stereotypically mormon sounding as well; Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Joshua Graham.
I hope you made the right choice and exterminated all of the White Legs instead of running away from Zion like a pussy, you wouldn't want to disappoint Randall Clark would you?
The right choice is to kill all of the savage pagans in that crag so you can go back to the Penthouse.
I killed everyone in Zion that the game would permit me to.
thank god avellone wrote about science instead of a flying spaghetti monster...
Lets fricking go
Where was he when Zion was sack?
I like dudes in bandages. Like them in Arisu in Borderlands, like them in rurouni kenshin, like them in Fallout NV, I even like them in naruto. Simple as.
Bandages are cool.
Another troonyVegas thread
What is wrong with this place
>person named josh
>writes a super cool character named Joshua
>the name Joshua is based on hebrew pronunciation of Jesus
>antiheroes are uncool
marvelbrain, I want the redditfugees to leave
Joshua vs Daniel is just Old Testament vs New Testament
explains why joshua is so cool
also new testament doesn't work in the current setting of fallout (not a legion gay btw)
The best HH ending is backing Joshua, but letting Salts get up and fight the two of you. Dead horses and Sorrows get badass, occasionally get into tiny little rivalries or largely non-lethal skirmishes, White Legs destroyed, Happy Trails back in business, Joshua changes for the better, and Daniel is just a lost confused crybaby.
I wonder if larpers like this underage b& have even been in a fight before, it's like my dude "purge" your room first.
i had to go down to hard on the lonesome road deathclaws
not embarrassed
I. Love. New Vegas.
>if Jesus did indeed say this
DUDE LEAVE THE THREAD FRICKKKKKKK LMAOOOOOOOO
Probably unironically posts those memes with Jesus on them that are always like
>give me stronger battles
can someone give me a rundown how all the dlc characters are loosely connected?
Avellone's super speshul OC travels across the wastes meeting other super speshul OCs. He trains the White Legs and presumably met Joshua when he was the Malpais Legate. He went to the Big MT and met Christine while she was hunting Elijah, who was also at the Big MT. He also bullied the nerds at the Sink
Isn't Ulysses Sawyer's baby?
Ulysses was all avellone.
Damn that's a shame, Ulysses is a terribly executed character.
The name of the writer is Josh too, Joshua Electronic Sawyer
Reminder that the talking down Joshua ending takes away any moral conundrum the DLC had and is not a legitimate ending. If you talked down Joshua, you did not beat Honest Hearts and you should not post about a DLC you didn't beat.
It's not taking away the conundrum, it's just being a hypocrite. Are you a killer or a slave? You have to choose.
yeah making a distinction between fighting in self-defence and executing an unarmed prisoner is "hypocrisy" lol
you didn't get it
>Reminder that the talking down Joshua ending takes away any moral conundrum the DLC had and is not a legitimate ending.
Fair. Speech checks in Fallout usually feel like wanking players who want the perfect solution to every quest, rather than something that could legitimately happen.
It would have been neat if there was a side quest that involved learning more about the new canaanite religion and using that knowledge to relate and talk Joshua down instead of just a speech check, would give more credence to the "man of god falling back into his sinful ways getting talked back to sense and peace" angle of it.
Speech check in fallout games (and a lot of rpgs) suffer from the fact there's only one "speech" skill. At the bare minimum, it should be divided into sweettalking and intimidation and ideally some checks would require a mix of both.
you should always have to pick the correct speech options to get the speech check to show up
it should be a minigame just like science or lockpick but instead you just click the shiny speech button and avoid any combat or get double the reward from a quest
>crazy christian
>super cool
you people are old school
Crazy christians are cool again, old man
seems like something my friend josh would do
Why does everyone think Joshua being a potential murder hobo is a good thing?
Because they’re larpers that only know his character from memes they found on reddit,
You guys know that the reason why Joshua became a bloodthirsty killer was because he thought he was "civilizing" the wastes and him executing Salt leads to him reverting back to his old mind style that lead to him being set on fire
>lead him getting set on fire
Blame that on Caesar for he gave the order
Joshua deep down is a psychopath. Sure you can suppress that but it was always in him. We know nothing about his past with the Canaanites, for all we know he had been like this.
I don't think you know what a psychopath is.
Joshua doesn't kill out of fun he kills out of righteous fury.
He expresses guilt over his past actions and gratitude that his people took him back, as well as love for them.
He's an extremely emotional dude all bound up and hidden behind his measured demeanor.
A psychopath doesn't have those sorts of emotions.
Hes most certainly enjoying himself as he takes glee in bringing down whatever warped sense of righteous fury when killing. Its his natural state, anybody enjoys their natural state. He has guilt because he lost. Losing makes people essentially rethink their actions had he not lost he'd be shooting NCR children and crucifying by the dozens.
Again I don't think you know what a psychopath is.
>Its his natural state, anybody enjoys their natural state
He enjoys himself in the merciful ending
>He has guilt because he lost.
That's an unfounded assumption.
But he’s not, he wasn’t born like this he was just a regular New Canaanite before he met Edward and started The Legion with him. All the shit he did wasn’t some instantaneous thing it happened over time.
>This way lies the path to hell. Edw- Caesar needed me to translate. Translation became giving orders. Giving orders became leading in battle.
>This way lies the path to hell. Edw- Caesar needed me to translate. Translation became giving orders. Giving orders became leading in battle.
Oh for frick sake
>Leading in battle became training, punishing, terrorizing. A series of small mistakes before a great fall
Helios One coming back online
I really don't like how in these RPG when you become a god tier killing tier machine nobody takes you seriously. Who the frick are these gays to threaten my MC? Guy can punch to death whole armies.
what a bummer a character so well written was limited to the worst expansion. he carried the entirety of Troon Hearts on his shoulders
What's with the recent trend of calling cool religious characters chuds and villains?
HH is over a decade old and Josh isn’t depicted as a Villain.
People didn't have that much of an issue with religion 10 years ago
>Josh isn’t depicted as a Villain.
But my youtube essays said otherwise.....
>But my youtube essays said otherwise
the most popular joshua graham youtube video essay right now is just about how he's a cool interesting character and a good example of a well written religious, let alone christian character in modern media which is lacking both.
Why would you take what e-celebs say seriously?
but why did they make him mormon of all things
Because Utah is Mormon HQ
Is there a bot loose in this thread? What the frick is up with all the nonsensical replies?
Which nonsensical replies?
Daniel as a choice feels weaker becasue there's no variation within it. It's not like Joshua's path where you can temper his rage, this thus leads to player feeling like the Joshua's path is the "correct" one because there's more variation than the other.
it feels weaker because of Daniel. Even if the roles were reversed and Joshua wanted to run away instead, people would still side with him because Daniel is barely a character while Joshua is easily the best character in the game
But it's weaker in part because there's no middle way between it because there's no difference within it. It's the same reason people will yell up and down that NCR is the "canon" path for NV because it has the most quests.
I always felt he was the weaker choice because despite his good intentions his arguments and approaches to issues are flawed.
Running away in a game that is essentially a power fantasy doesn't feel right. Its why I can't do options that allow me to spare someone who is trying to kill me. Yeah convincing a mongrel like Lanius is fun but demoralizing the Legion by killing him is even more fun. Running from your problems is what homosexuals do.
The only reason to speech check resolve the Lanius fight is if you're shit at fighting, and frankly that's a fricktarded choice.
Lanius is a butcher and not only does not deserve to live but should be put down immediately to spare those he brutalizes more pain and suffering.
You let him go and then what, he rounds up more tribals, decimating them in the process, only to come back to hoover dam and kill more people? Frick that.
both joshua haters and lovers are like persona fans
maybe one day they will read the bible
This seem to be an unpopular opinion, but I think that Joshua is a very overrated character carried almost entirely by his voice actor. He would not be nearly as beloved if he had a different voice.
I think his script is interesting enough that he would still be a good character, but Keith Szarabajka really does elevate it to something much better. But a good actor will do that, take a script and elevate it.
But if it were just like, joe schmo or Yuri Lowenthal doing the VA I think the character wouldn't be as much of a stand out as he is, he's blend in more with the average quality of the rest of the DLC.
for me? it's dog/god
DOG
BACK IN THE CAGE
ARE YOU LISTENING?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
THEY HAVE TO RUN AWAY LE LET GO
YOU HAVE TO LET GO ITS THE MESSAGE AGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
this is maybe a weird take but IMO nothing that an author writes that takes place or is revealed chronologically *after* a moral dilemma should be used to support an argument about which choice is morally correct.
that might sound weird but hear me out. let's say I give you a hypothetical question: "would you rather have a cupcake or a muffin?" you reply "a muffin". then I say "well actually the muffin had a scorpion in it, nice choice moron."
yeah that might seem silly but I think the logic tracks. all of the fiction up until the point of the dilemma can be thought of as a premise. if you take the question seriously, then that represents you taking the writer's premise seriously. but anything that happens as a result of that choice (White Legs getting wiped out, etc) is just the writer's conjecture as to what would happen next. you may personally disagree with that conjecture. I know it might seem like that's meaningless since everything that happened before the dilemma was also contrived by the writer. but I think this makes sense.
reminds me of tenpenny tower how even though you know that ghoul frick is gonna kill everyone you get bad karma and are called a bad boy on the radio if you preemptively kill him
Jesus forgive…. but God don’t
non trinitarian enjoyer detected
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