>Persona 3
>Genius take on Christianity, MC saves us from Death by becoming a messiah
>Persona 4
>Genius take on the subconscious mind and Jungian analysis
>Persona 5
>FREAKING ADULTS I HATE THE FREAKING ADULTS AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
>Persona 3. >Genius take on Christianity, MC saves us from Death by becoming a messiah. >Persona 4
Yes ironic considering the guy who did the most damage and killed trainloads of people was a zoomer
>persona 5
>genius take on the concept of free will and the deadly sins
fixed it for you
That might be what it tried to do but the whole change your heart thing makes no sense even within the context of the story, it contradicts itself a few times in how it works and then it never actually manages to make a point. The main characters never learn anything about the human condition other than "haha changed your heart haha frick you adults haha"
Its terrible because it LOOKS like the game is gearing up to something interesting and deep...and then it never happens.
i always thought the change of heart thing and the "frick le adults kek" was supposed to show that its usually the older fricks who refuse change and use their power to frick over the younger ones who want to change things
This makes sense especially in Japan since oldfricks are in charge of things and you can't ever replace them until they die. Which at that point you are going to be THE oldfrick yourself and you are going to keep the youth down.
It should had lean more on the corruption angle, show that there is a moral or thought out reason they never do it to teenagers (seriously wouldnt teenagers be the prime target for the phamtom thieves? they are all little c**ts) and then either realize they were wrong and changing hearts doesnt solve anything or that its a power too strong to wield or that its morally repugnant even if you are in the right.
But they never question it, I think they do for 2 seconds and thats it when it should have been in my opinion the CENTERPIECE of the plot
>they are all little c**ts
they usually attack the ones who frick over others through their power like kamoshida. What power does the average teenager have? their dumb but not threating.
> and then either realize they were wrong and changing hearts doesnt solve anything
played it 3 years ago so i dont remember everything but im pretty sure they questioned their doing after every change of heart, and the third semester was all about that.
Yes the plot sould have been much darker given the concept of changing the free will of people as you want, it makes me think that once they wrote the plot they had to censor themselves (maybe forced by sega) and rewrote the game to make it a power fantasy and nothing else.
Royal salvages it a little with the maruki plot but its not centered enough in the main idea of the plot IMO and its too late.
maybe it was because of the success of p4? They didnt want to make p5 too dark because it could scare of p4 fans
Maybe, they certainly wanted a mass audience and they got it. Pretty much all series are bound to get softer and softer as they go sadly unless its something made by one person, and even then it happens.
Who knows maybe P6 will go back to being dark but I really doubt it.
Im hoping metaphor has some edge too
same, didnt really enjoy that soft approach they took after 4
>But they never question it, I think they do for 2 seconds and thats it when it should have been in my opinion the CENTERPIECE of the plot
why should they question it when the targets are all the scum of the earth (inb4 seething Kamoshidacels). The problem is the exact opposite, they question it when they really have no reason to given the shit they were dealing with.
Because its morally wrong?
Because it would make the game interesting?
Because the characters should have actual personalities instead of just sucking Joker´s penis all game long?
How about a REAL internal struggle within the Phantom Thieves instead of MORGANA CALLED ME UGLY WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
>Because its morally wrong?
No less wrong than all the heinous shit the targets do, plus the fact that if you DON'T change their hearts even worse things happen.
>Because it would make the game interesting
what would make the game interesting if the villains weren't fricking mustache-twirling morons so mindbreaking them wasn't objectively good
>Because the characters should have actual personalities instead of just sucking Joker´s penis all game long?
lmao
>Because its morally wrong?
how so? this is some moronic batman "it's wrong to kill a murderer" logic.
Kamoshit's arc and Sae's arc did the whole corruption thing pretty well. Knowing about how utterly fricked the justice system is in Japan before playing the game helped a lot though.
This is the point. There are plenty of good adults who change over the course of the fifth game. Sae, chiefly, but even Sojiro, and the adult social links change mostly without assistance. The bad guys are the ones who don't change, get their heart changed, but because they themselves couldn't change, they were 'imprisoned.' Thus forced to capitulate, it was trying to draw the line between thoughts and actions.
Mostly because it's principally about how thoughts dictate your actions, the students of Shujin felt powerless against Kamoshida, but likely weren't. Because he was given free reign, but people unable to speak, and by those intentionally turning a blind eye, even people who THOUGHT Kamoshida should be punished never acted on it.
Persona 5 is basically the coming together of the overall themes of the series since 3. So, if you're familiar with smt, its all about changing reality by siding with an alignment. Personas verse is basically smt unfricked by demon god shit and the persona mcs are there to keep it that way.
We see it when society wishes to go full order fricking up the balance and again with maruki. Makoto and yu, especially makoto, were verifiable failures when it came to protecting the persona verse. Makoto didn't solve anything and became a giant band-aid instead. Had joker and the phantom thieves been there, they quite literally could have defeated nyx
>Had joker and the phantom thieves been there, they quite literally could have defeated nyx
God-tier bait.
Way to reveal yourself to be a brainlit. They could literally change people's hearts, the reason nyx couldn't be defeated was because it was the personification of death. So long as humanity wished to die she would always be there. Killing her would mean killing humanity but thats not really the case for joker? Theres a reason hes the strongest mc, dude opposed the collective unconscious fueled adam kadmon with pure power. His power.
>Way to reveal yourself to be a brainlit.
>brainlit
Here's your (you)
Nice rebuttle moron. I accept your concession
You completely rushed through the last few months, or you only ever watched a let's play. Nyx is not the personification of Death. It is Death. It doesn't matter what humanity's perception of her is. That's why Ryoji says defeating her is impossible. You can't beat death, just like you can't defeat the idea of gravity or the existence of headaches.
You might be thinking of Erebus. Erebus, like Yaldabaoth, is the manifestation of a collective desire, and that can be manipulated by a collective change in cognition.
Esl-kun, nyx lore wise is weaker than adam kadmon by multiple orders of magnitude and the pthieves defeated him with willpower and willpower alone. Erebus gets fricked by heart changing and nyx gets fricked by joker. Cause ya know, he's the strongest mc next to that one smt dude who fricked god
Go back to DBZ
>hes the strongest mc
pfft, little baby doesn't even have the power of the Universe
I wish P5 had alignments.
>Had joker and the phantom thieves been there, they quite literally could have defeated nyx
>post pics saying he an expert
Expert on being a fricking moron.
>over the younger ones who want to change things
Yep. But here is the thing: The Younger Ones are always moronic.
If the young japs were allowed to get their way, Japan would become California 2.0 in two generations
Shut up, dumbass rightist and look at the poor red states. I know you're going to say they don't count but have a modicum of sense for once.
>rightist
Bruva, the left and right wings in the anglosphere are merely the wings of an Owl. The young ones would only enable this owl.
The red states are poor because they're filled with Africans and Latin Americans on average. The quality of their whites is also dogshit outside of Texas.
That's what doomed CA. It was firing on all cylinders when it took on the white flight from the Midwest and NE, which contain some of the some of the smartest whites of the American states. That's how you get the aerospace industry and silicon valley, a state damn near close to a white paradise. Blacks and Mexicans flooding in to parasitize on that prosperity turned it into a place far more like the kinds of societies Africans and Latin Americans create when left to their own devices. The only thing keeping it together is a ruthless oligarchy of highly intelligent Brahmins, israelites, and what's left of the WASP stock like Newsom. Otherwise it would be a failed state like Louisiana or Mississippi.
No its because there is no industry
But who cares better be poor and happy
And why was there no industry? Could it be because they're just that bit lower IQ and less innovative than Yankee whites, to say nothing of the NQ?
Because industry is suited to certain geographical locations rather than others, and then china happened
Okay, but what about 1880-1960? By that geographic determinism, New Orleans should be the crown israeliteel of the South? Instead it stagnated until the Gulf oil boom, and then got shit on by the always more competent Texans.
>The red states are poor because they're filled with Africans and Latin Americans on average
This is cope. They were always self-destructive.
Remember when They banned alcohol, then created Mafias that moved to Mexico effectively creating Cartels?
>Because industry is suited to certain geographical locations rather than others
The biggest example of this is Canada. Just like Northern Mexico, They are being carried by USA's trade due to proximity. If You delete USA of the map, Canada wouldn't survive.
Its a double whammy. Not only are there too many middling intelligence browns in the South, the stock of the white population is on average inferior in capability. I can only assume that the best died in the Civil War, and the region never recovered from this culling of elite human capital.
anon this thread is about the video game "Persona 5"
No right now is about american economics of the 19th century
>american economics of the 19th century
They were lucky Mexico's clay was full of resources
>video game
>deep
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a lying god gave angry teens the power to change the corruption in adults just to prove to them that it doesn't matter, congrats you figured it out
>genius take on the concept of free will and the deadly sins
not even as good as SMT
P5 does not do a lot with gameplay or story to explore the concept of free will or the cardinal sins
Even during the final battle when you're attacked with the sins, I didn't really notice anything.
Persona 5 has a good overall plot, it's just the character writing could've been way better.
>your brain aged 10 years between the release of P3 and the release of P5
>suddenly less able to enjoy media for teens
It's okay to embrace the passage of time anon
anon being jaded doesnt make you cool
that's exactly the point of the poster you replied to
you HOMOSEXUAL illiterate fruit
please, stop.
being moronic doesnt make you cool, anon
FOR REAL????
>OP is a moron
many such cases.
Sorry but there is a reason the conversation regarding 5 is the way it is and the plot let old fans of the series mostly dissatisfied. Its still a fun game to play Im just mad at the wasted potential.
This reads like someone that only played 5, if any and watched video essays on the rest. How can anyone be this moronic
Ive played all 3 and I dont watch youtube game essays. And Im happy to be proven wrong so please explain what 5 was about.
>persona 4
>"frick what you think and feel, CONFOOOORM and be a good little wagie
>persona 5
>"learn how to be unapologetically yourself and defy stereotypes and expectations."
4
>>"frick what you think and feel, CONFOOOORM and be a good little wagie
anon thats not it...
>Post the girl that has to conform to her parents expectation and become the inn lady
lmao
Almost like growing up is realizing that conforming is good
>Be a good slave would you kindly
Okay
she didnt comform, she herself chose to continue working there. you played through her social link right?
>participating in society and being a part of something bigger than you taking pride in your family heritage is slavery
Not everyone is a dispossessed poor soul like you, or more likely a dumb teenager that still thinks being a slave to passions and frivolous crap is being free
>something bigger than you
Slave mentality right there, chum.
good goy, have a shekel
>chooses to work for the inn because she loves the work and the people there
oh no the horror...
>doesn't want to run the inn
>entire subplot about finding work elsewhere
>Japan conformity guilt kicks in
>wants to run the inn now
Wow what a great story holy shit
>entire subplot about finding work elsewhere
>while preparing to run away, realises she loves the people and the inn itself
>realised she just didnt like being forced
its the same as when youre a kid and want to clean youre room, 5 minutes later your mother tells you to clean your room and now you dont want to anymore
conformity guilt kicks in
What are you talking about? She decided she'd like to run the inn after people started trying to take advantage of it, as well as were shit talking it.
While I wouldn't call 3 or 4's writing anywhere close to genius levels, they were still leaps and bounds above anything 5 had to offer.
Uh oh someone is a bad adult
Try being a better person
Maruki did absolutely nothing wrong. I would accept Maruki's reality in a heartbeat.
Hard fricking same. A pleasant reality over the nightmare we currently live in.
>LE HARDSHIP IS GOOD
Yea no it isn't. Most people break at having to much hardship tossed on them.
This
I wish to be a cute 5' girl :3
Yes it is
Hardship is literally the meaning of life
If you give people all they want they become violent, unhappy, destructive.
We exist to struggle, life is a test
>Hardship is literally the meaning of life
I hope you won't have children then since people like you will break their children limbs because "suffering le good"
Anon you are a fricking moron Im sorry to say.
I provide my children with as much help as possible because no matter what good job I do life will be a struggle anyways. There is no need to make it any harder.
>I hope you won't have children
Man every time I see this kind of post it's from someone who hated their parents but also didn't get the frick out at 18 because they didn't want to face reality.
Damn that's alot of projecting, i'm sorry your parents doesn't love you
>Yukiko gets to live a nice, comfy life with a solid job, a strong history and with the people she loves and loves her back
If that's what conformity gets you then it sounds pretty good to me. Unless you're Yosuke then manybe conform less because you're actually just wagecucking yourself, bro.
Probably the dumbest thing about Persona 5, by a country mile, are the many fans, many of whom are grown ass adults, who claim their lives were changed by this game's shit ass writing.
This happens constantly and its always by the shittiest media around only because it happened to be popular meaning people that usually never consume any fiction got into it and suddenly it changed their lives
Basically they are doing at 30 what I did when I was 7
Haven't played P5 but it always struck me as more of a parable to modern society.
I'm a simple man, I like P5 for the demons, dungeons and milfs.
I hate P3 for the worst dungeon of the franchise.
Is it because it forces you to be in school after hours?
are you one of those millennials who gets offended on behalf of boomers because you're gay for your dad or something?
ITT: people who are either to low IQ, have ADHD or didnt play Persona 5 Royal until the end.
If you played Vanilla and then played another 100 hours of Royal to see new content you are definitely on the spectrum.
>the entire Maruki debate could be solved by Maruki giving people the choice to join his world
The real question becomes how to divide the world in a way which lets sufferinggays and anti-sufferinggays co-exist on the same landmass without sufferinggays getting upset and trying to ruin the utopia.
Don’t care, the gameplay is shit until 5
ADULTS I HATE THE FREAKING ADULTS AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
I expected something like that at first because of you b***hes whining all the time but it was way more reasonable than that. Ryuji is the one who's the most likely to say shit like this and he's a dumbass. And even as a dumbass he's justified because of how the game starts with a realistic story of a teacher raping and beating up students and compromising their studies and thus their entire future just because he wants to get his dick wet and everyone ignored him or covered up for him. Then you get plenty of social links or confidents or whatever with adult characters and Sojiro and Sae helps the main characters quite a lot.
>Genius take on Christianity, MC saves us from Death by becoming a messiah
Kek
Persona 4 is just as childish as 5. 3 is the only one worth playing. Can't speak for the first two games.
Writing is breddy gud in the earlier game. Nothing's better than Nanjo calling Masao a moronic monkey, and Masao telling Nanjo to just go fricking die.
Hanya coming back in 2 and still being a total butthole, but also singlehandedly protecting the students from the invading Nazis was great too.
Yes, but it's childish in an earnest way.
there is nothing more annoying than p4 wienersuckers who think its somehow better than 5 or even 3. 4 is easily the weakest of the nusonas with the worst characters and plot
>persona 3
>take on christianity
What the frick
Flew over your head that the MC is literally Jesus?
The game has literally 0 themes adjacent to christianity, the fact that the main character saves the day does not make him jesus.
Dev hell fricked the story, P5 should have been the best in the series
It's shitty japslop writing that ruined the story. The actual plot is about breaking free from self imposed chains, of soaring above the cattle, of learning how to individuate your ego and either manipulate or just tell the NPCs to go frick themselves, and their fake ideals materialized in the demiurge. It's a good occult basis that leaves no loose ends, but the actual plot isn't about the evils or the unfairness of the world and the set of playable characters represents no good archetypes, there's no inner conflict and there definitely isn't any growth.
It could have been literally the ultimate form of the quintessential JRPG story but it's too afraid to be more than lazily indulgent so it ends up coming off as really fricking stupid and juvenile, and not in a good way.
At least the twins were hot.
Yeah they were much too afraid of saying Frick you to society and then showing the consequences, Normalgays would have not understood it, hell the media might have said it was a nazi game lol
Instead it feels like you are playing a marvel super hero game
The character stuff is pretty good. People really liked the gang. The plot was forgettable in a way that previous ones were not.
I think people's minds glazed over after Kamoshida.
>Persona 6 won't happen until like 2026
Better the devs take their time instead of rushing to meet some quick deadline.
Story in all these games is shit. Only reason to play is the monster fusing mechanic
>Party member: Waaaaa my life is so hard
>Protagonost:….
>Party Member: Damn homie that’s so true
adults are bad tho
the orange recently went to jail,hes the bald guy from persona 5
4
take on the subconscious mind and Jungian analysis
It's probably the best playing and best presented Persona, but the shallowest in terms of story.
My wife looks so good bros...I can't wait
Akihiko looks absolutely awful in the remake, the rest are fine, and Fuuka no longer looks like she has extra chromosomes (which is a loss for my twisted taste)
I also liked that the characters all looked slightly off in the original, it made them a lot more interesting imo. Any Aigis is a positive for me even if she won't have her heartwarming awkward smile again.
>Replaced armbands with ugly shoulder guard things cause armbands are bad now
Pass.
I actually like the shoulder things once I got over the initial reaction of "anything different = bad" that always happens, this one complain just feels like shazamposting to me, also when did armbands turn bad? because the MC of 3 still wears it on P5R fight, is this related to the ikraine war or something?
Nazi hysteria in the US, plus the armbands are red.
The thing is the armbands are still in the game they just get replaced later by the shoulder thingy so I think you dont have a case, if this was some nazi imagery histerya they wouldnt be in the game at all right
12 seconds in
If you don't love Fuuka at her goofiest you don't deserve her at her best (still looking goofy)
take on Christianity
Within MegaTen, P3 is everything but genius. It is actially moronic
There are tons of good adults in the game moron.
Talking about Ryuji's teenage angst like it's the main theme of the game is fricking moronic. 5, especially Royal, is by far the most well thought take on the Jungian themes of the previous games and brings it all to its logical conclusion with Maruki, who by the way was a good adult too.
Royal blessed us with Akechi kino
>Persona 3
Shartlus realizing their Japanese ultranationalism and Shinto supremacism were a little too obvious in previous megaten games so they made P3 to say "Hey fellow Americans, don't you love Jesus? We hecking love Jesus!!?!?!!?".
>Perosna 4
After trashing themselves they returned to the roots with the entire mythology and concepts of P4 being taken from Japanese myths and religion.
Me and the boys moments, the soundtrack, Nanako, Dojima, EVERYDAY'S GREAT AT YOUR JUNES, and most importantly, Adachi, were the only saving graces that turned the game into something great.
>Persona 5
Very interesting overall plot and story concepts with two great bro characters (Yusuke and Ryuji) and several good side characters getting wasted on a boring and moronic narrative and writing. I guess the writers were too afraid with their "frick society" theme because Japs have a very submissive slave mentality when it comes to their ridiculously rigid and traditionalist society that requires you to be a good slave and keep your head down.
>have a very submissive slave mentality
Are you Murrican? When a group of people collectively decided to act one way to save themselves, they don't become slaves.
Look at animatrix. Robots had great individuality and that was pushed aside somewhat when they became exiled. This isn't slave mentality, it is survivor mentality.
Unlike the robots, the Japan is the USA's b***h. This is origin of the Japs' frustrations, it's just that they realize it when they are too old.
It's interesting with Persona 5 where it straight up tells you "What you have done is actually wrong, since it led to people becoming soulless husks for the Demiurge to control".
Its weird how as nationalists dictator wannabee characters Gotou in SMT1 with his 8 lines of dialogue is much more interesting than Shido in Persona 5
Every time Ai Ebihara is on my screen i simp bark woof BARK BARK BARK BARK Yes mam I will carry your stuff what? You want me to help you get with tyrone? Woof!
Why does it take until the SECOND FRICKING PALACE for you to finally be able to tell everyone else to frick off out of the party and go alone?
>people believing western media propaganda on what "the youth" in Japan want
>people who have no idea what P5 was about in terms of the geriatric issue
>people who have no idea what they are, where they are, and what they are doing
many such cases.
If you are over 18 and you think an atlus game has "genious writing" on any level you shouldn't be allowed to vote. All atlus games are the literal text book example of "all style and no substance". Yes all of them, not only persona, every smt game is just as bad.
nah
>no arguments
says the clown
Persona 5 was supposed to be a criticism of Japan's "respect your elders" culture resulting in those elders being able to get away with heinous bullshit while everyone around them had to suck it up and deal with it, because they would either look like awful people for "disrespecting" their elders, or the elders in question had enough influence and power to more directly ruin someone's life through getting them arrested for something, which having something on your permanent record may as well be a death sentence to your social life and work opportunities in Japan.
>Fatuls genius takes
LMAO, you highschool life simulators/dating simse were always garbage
>genius take
they are dating sims anon, at least play mainline smt if you want to have the opinion that it was ever >genius writing