https://www.4gamer.net/games/714/G071477/20230612109/
New interview reveals some important details.
Some translations:
>P3R is an important challenge for the future of the Persona series
>All modern series elements are in P3R, including the lack of fatigue/tiredness, and characters will have individual Persona elements.
>Every Social Link event is fully voiced.
>To compromise for the lack of male Social Links, these new side stories were added so that every character gets their backstories equally told.
>All voices were recorded again, and there is a higher volume of voice acting than in the original.
>Tartarus has breakable objects and unique conversations that you will only hear by exploring with your team.
>P3R will still be comically expressive just like the original P3, and there was unique attention put on retaining that aspect.
>The development team intentionally went out of their way to ensure P3R retains everything P3 is known for, while adding positive elements from future games.
>Direct commands and AI commands are in P3R like other Persona games from P4 onwards.
>Around half of the production team involved on P3R were not game developers at the time they played P3, so they used their perspectives as players to better understand the positive and negative aspects of playing P3.
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It's over. The soul is gone.
Kys, tourist
I'm pretty sure when it comes out you will be playing, having fun and shitposting how bad it is. Or maybe it's not a game for you.
>The development team intentionally went out of their way to ensure P3R retains everything P3 is known for
I hope this implies they won't censor anything like the bikini armor.
They are going to make it day 1 dlc instead
>day 1 DLC
Ah, right, modern Atlus. I'll wait for the enhanced re-re-release
The bikini armor was added in FES, it wasn't in the original.
They already said everything in FES and P3P except FemC and The Answer will be in the remake
Source? Because I've been reading no content at all from fes in
https://noisypixel.net/persona-3-reload-producer-clarifies-fes-story-will-be-featured/
>Select "improvements"
>Also confirms you can't interact with your male squad members
Hey I'd love to be proven wrong but this is going to be the shittiest "remake" of all time
Gonna laugh when they pull a soul hackers 2 and it ends up making absolutely no one happy because they couldn't commit to an audience.
I will too
Which is corpo speak for one or two scenes that mean and add nothing.
No, they said you can interact with them, with a new system that's separate to social links that they haven't revealed yet. Keep up anon, geeze
Yes, because bikini armor is the one thing that comes to everyone's mind when they think about the P3's "essence".
Dressing up everyone in sexy armor is absolutely part of the core experience.
I'm glad you understand
NuMisturu is ruined anon the dream is dead.
We still have NepMitsuru.
They are changing it... they are making it more "accessible"... it hurts...
I will always have FES, but for some players this will be their first time playing P3 and they will get a wrong idea of the game and even if they go back and play FES, their initial impressions of P3 are already tarnished
half of the production team involved on P3R were not game developers at the time they played P3, so they used their perspectives as players to better understand the positive and negative aspects of playing P3.
it's over
>dev team is composed of fans, giving their own input on how they felt about the original
>this is le bad actually
>pokemon improved after gamefreak started hiring fans
It's not inherently good.
It says its half/half, you've got people who worked on P3 and understand all the design decisions and everything, and you've got the ones who played it as fans
That's obviously a lie. Most of the people who worked on P3 don't even work for atlus anymore.
The director that told this n the inverview moron
>implying they are fans
homie he is saying they grabbed a bunch of fresh hires who probably had not even played the game until some exec sat them down and forced them to, not that they got a bunch of fans who played the game on release. Expect the game to be full of game breaking bugs and to run at 20 fps near constantly. I wouldn't be surprised if they go full nis tier and start melting hardware.
Holy shit homie how can you misread a sentence this badly
>Around half of the production team involved on P3R were not game developers at the time they played P3
We grabbed a bunch of dumb college students and interns, made them play the game, then threw the project to them.
>, so they used their perspectives as players to better understand the positive and negative aspects of playing P3.
So it's going to be dumbed down by people who wouldn't have played the game themselves. We want the casual audience.
>every fan made games ever is now good by default
this is the extend of your bait
look how that turned out for FF7R
FF7R's changes were made by the guys who made the original tho?
Nomura had to tard wrangle the original directors from derailing the game even harder
Wasn't Nojima the one who had Tidus be decapitated by a blitzball or something equally stupid?
If I recall right, Tidus mistakes a bomb for a blitzball, kicks it, and them fricking dies in the resulting explosion or some shit yeah.
Yes
He also wrote a lot of the FF7 compilation stuff
Unfair. Square Enix is not famous for making good stories.
Atlus doesn't have a KH3 equivalent for example
KH3 if you played it was an obvious rushjob. From all the terrible animations at the end combined with all the bosses being jammed together instead of being individual fights.
If you've been on Ganker longer than a day, you'd know why ideas guys aren't such a good idea for a game with very few actual devs.
When fans of a series get creative control over it or its remakes, the results are usually either really good, or reeeeeeeeeealy bad. There's no middle ground.
Look at some of the things that have happened to comic books when kids who grew up reading a certain title grew up and got to sit in the writer's/editor's chair and impose their tastes and headcanon on everyone else.
Yes. Unironically. Fans are moronic and never know what they want.
Going to let your dumbass in on a secret.
Most of the devs actively making games these days were not devs 20 years ago
And it shows, given the sharp decline in quality. That said anyone who expected devs from 20 years ago to be working on this is deluding themselves when most of atlus's old staff left over the course of the PS2 era.
>literally OLD GOOD
Yes, I'm sorry you weren't born back then and thus couldn't experience good things when they were new. I have good news for you though, emulation is easier than it ever was. It's never too late even for a zoomzoom to play good games.
It's funny when people like you cry that I'm a zoomer when I'm 36
Old games are not better.
>including the lack of fatigue/tiredness
Gay
Could've sworn they already removed this in portable
They rebalanced it in p3p so it only took affect after you left. It was still in otherwise.
They were in it technically, but they would only be inflicted after you leave Tartarus. So the consequence would only be seen in the daily life gameplay segments.
It's still in, but it's so pointless it might as well be removed.
You wouldn't hang in SMT where shit is drip-fed through 2-5 hours Dungeons.
I'm fine with SMT. The difference is that SMT's dungeons aren't RNG. P3 is not like SMT. It's not built exclusively with Tartarus in mind.
Honestly I want them to even harder on the RNG dungeon. Make it a full and proper roguelike like it was originally intended to be before they had to scale it back to just generated floors.
They're not gonna do that. No matter how much you might wanna improve it, Tartarus is still Tartarus. The Answer is just an extra twenty more hours of Tartarus. Nothing's different. Nothing's changed. They just made you go through Tartarus again and said "It's a playable epilogue!".
Yes, and despite not going as far as I would like it was still the best part of the game.
Then why did you even want more Persona 3 in the first place? You clearly can't stand over half of it. Or perhaps you were never interested in the remake. But then that just means this doesn't matter much to you.
I didn't say I hated the rest of it dumbfrick. Are all p4/p5gays as illiterate as you? You know you can say one part is your favorite while still enjoying other parts, right?
The Answer is literally just more Tartarus. So if that's your favorite part of the game, what the frick does that say about your feelings towards The Journey?
It says I didn't like it as much and nothing else. Whether that means I hated it, liked it, or was completely ambivalent is not stated. That's what words mean.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
It's hilarious seeing someone defend P3 and act smug about P4/5 when P3gays were the first wave of secondaries
There is no "first wave", this isn't a political movement. Either you're a secondary or you're not. Either you just play the dating shit or you play the original dungeon crawlers too because you're interested in more than just 2D girls.
Fricking apes trying to dickwave seniority when it should be about purity
seniority and purity matter.
You only devalue seniority because you don't have it
You don't know shit zoomy.
It probably has the P3P Balancing where they improved it so it's not as much as FES had.
>All modern series elements are in P3R, including the lack of fatigue/tiredness, and characters will have individual Persona elements.
So it's not a faithful remake
Got it
>All voices were recorded again, and there is a higher volume of voice acting than in the original
I don't want the new dub voices
Things were already iffy in the past with p4 voices changing
wont the new voice in this interview is both english and japanese dub?
the PS2 one is potato quality either way
Lol what? If they have the original recordings, they can just use that.
Shut the frick up redditor, no one asked about your shitty dub
>Ryota Niizuma (Mr. Niizuma):
>To put it simply, this is a remake of P3 that can be played as if it were P5. The reason for this is that "Persona 5" (hereafter, P5) is the standard for how Persona fans play games today.
It's over
>>All modern series elements are in P3R, including the lack of fatigue/tiredness
Frick
>Direct commands and AI commands are in P3R like other Persona games from P4 onwards.
FRICK
You have both the option to play classic controls or non dog shit control, moron.
Game will be balanced around full control, though
The original game was balanced around fatigue and party individuality. Fatigue was really only an obstacle before midgame, but that was just another layer to the detail.
Everybody is becoming used to the routine. Taking out these details isn't staying true to the original at all, it's appeasing fricking zoomers.
>To compromise for the lack of male Social Links, these new side stories were added so that every character gets their backstories equally told.
I guess that's something at least for the male SEES members. I was hoping that they would take a similar approach done with Koh and Daisuke's Social Links. Making it a choice between one or the other, so in the case for P3 Reload it would've be a choice between Kenji or Junpei, Shinji or Nozomi, and so on. It would be too ambitious, I suppose.
AJAJAJAJAJ GET FRICKED FEMCTRANNIES
You'd honestly rather go through Nozomi's link once again rather than hanging with one of the boys? Your contrarianism knows no bounds.
>4Gamer:
>"It's a newly remade part, but what exactly has changed?"
>Mr. Yamaguchi:
>"First of all, the easy-to-understand point is the physical condition system." It's part of what makes the original P3 so unique, but it's an element that hasn't been seen since then, and it doesn't go well with the calendar system that has become a symbol of the current Persona series.
>4Gamer:
>"It's a system that restricts your actions when you're tired or cold."
There was a core way of playing that made use of this for strategy, but it was true that the randomness made it difficult to proceed with the game as expected.
>Mr. Yamaguchi:
>yes. In the current Persona series, I think that the basic way of enjoying the game is to schedule and enjoy ``what to do on this day, at this time'', but the physical condition system is stressful for that way of playing. It's going to end up.
>Due to the randomness, it is difficult for the player to manage on their own, and when they do not want to, they become fatigued or cold, and cannot take the actions they originally wanted to take. Even during battle, the player's randomness affects the enjoyment of the player's choices, such as having a bad effect on the status, or having friends leave without permission in the middle of a dungeon search.
So not a faithful remake. Got it.
Who was this remake made for again? Because now I lost interest completely.
P5zoomers. Sorry old head, you're not young any more. You're not the target audience
>and it doesn't go well with the calendar system
Maybe the answer is to get rid of the fricking Calendær
It's kind of weird. I'd think they'd design the game so that everyone has a different experience and has to choose their priorities. The calendar just makes it so everyone plays the game in the exact same way.
>these inconveniences inconvenience the player
no shit, moron, that's the whole point. I hate nudevs who think QoL = good design.
>There was a core way of playing that made use of this for strategy, but it was true that the randomness made it difficult to proceed with the game as expected.
P3 was hella forgiving in it's calender unlike P5 because it wasn't oversaturated with shit to do so you could take a few days off to do tarturus, rest, and still max out social links. I know people that were abhorrent of the fatigue mechanic, but what made P3 great was it didn't matter.
it generally doesn't really matter whenever you have time management mechanics in games but most people stress all the same.
If it didn't matter why keep it tho
P5 has more than enough days to max out all links if you're a bit smarter about it. P3 has a dumb oversight where Hidetoshi's S.Link doesn't take into account whether you have an Emperor Persona or not.
It objectively isn't, you can max out all stats and confidants with months to spare in P5, in P3 even if you do everything absolutely optimized then you only have a like a couple of days to spare
while this is technically true, P3 is far harder to max out S. Links due to there being tougher requirements (like half of the party S. Links require a certain stat maxed out) and S.links were only available on certain days and regularly clashed with each other. moreover, almost all s.links in p3 are only doable during the day. you can juggle like 9 different confidants in a single week in p5, whereas you can't do the same in p3.
>P3 was hella forgiving in it's calender unlike P5
Hell fricking no, original P3 was balls to wall strict in how much coffee guzzling, shrine donating, intentional reversing and going to Tarturus to avoid Reverse nonsense you need to do, to Max S Link on a fresh run, and even with all that you are left with literally no free days to fix frick ups, if you forget to bring the right persona, grind a stat, or carry enough cash to do each day's necessary activity
>schedule and enjoy
Japs must love their schedules. Only managed to get through persona 4. Game would be massively improved with social links removed entirely.
Meanwhile SMTV is a collectathon platformer.
No genre has been raped to death more thoroughly than jrpg. Just let it die and stop exhuming its corpse to parade as some new level of horror.
The frick? It's not random, you get tired based on how many battles you fight in Tartarus relative to your level, you get sick if you keep fighting after you get tired, how the frick is that random? The whole system is designed to make you weigh pushing ahead vs losing a time slot checking out early and going again later, as opposed to P4 and P5 where you just go to the dungeon one day a month and clear the entire thing outside of certain roadblocks that force you to stop and go back to the real world for an event mid-way.
Both P4 and P5 incentivize you to keep going back to the TV world and Mementos periodically. The real issue with how P3 did it isn't that it restricted the player too much; it's that it didn't matter. You get more used to Tartarus as you go on. By the end you can stay there almost indefinitely. Even if you get tired, it's often more practical just to push through to the end anyway. So it failed to really incentivize most players to leave and come back later. This is probably why Elizabeth's requests were added in FES, and the missing persons thing was added in P3P. Both these things are FAR better at incentivizing the player to keep going to Tartarus than the tired system ever was.
I don't really get your point here.
>This feature meant that you'd have to make minor adjustments to your social link choices as you went, and consider that you might not get to do what you want if you put too much time into exploring Tartarus
>This is too stressful for the average Jap gamer so it was cut
I always thought the P5 wank was just Atlus being conservative and wanting to milk the IP, but now I'm starting believe they just have some sort of brainrot from that game being as successful as it was. Why does everything have to be Persona 5? Why can't P3 keep the very minor gameplay features that made it distinct?
...Because they're a company that seeks to maximize profits for minimal investment? Literally the modus operandi of every single company known to man?
>4Gamer:
>It seems that there are no additional elements of "Persona 3 Fes" (hereinafter P3F) or "Persona 3 Portable" (hereinafter P3P) because it is a P3 standard, but there are places where new episodes are added to the main story and communities. What do you think?
>Mr. Yamaguchi:
>The episodes in the original, such as the main story and communities, are basically the same. There's no P3F sequel or P3P female protagonist, but that doesn't mean there aren't any elements from those two titles.
Also, in a different form, there is the addition of a new scenario that digs deeper into the worldview and characters. For example, regarding the male companion character, in the original there was no community, and unlike the male characters in "Persona 4" (hereafter P4) and P5, we weren't able to draw much of a relationship or interaction with the main character.
>Since the communication remains the same as the original, we can't make them characters with communication, but we will prepare something that depicts their humanity and their relationship with the main character in a different way. I can't talk about specifics yet, but I hope you'll look forward to it.
For the morons that didn't get it
Sounds pretty homosexual. I'll just emulate Fes again.
At least all social links are voiced. They weren't lying when they said this would have the most voice acting of any Persona
I wonder who will voice the other links beyond the female SEES members?
For the English dub it will be all the old voice actors
Think so? Even after the main cast was all replaced?
>>All modern series elements are in P3R, including the lack of fatigue/tiredness
Won't this frick up the pacing/balance a lot?
Most of these are good changes at least. Why take of the fatigue system since is something unique to persona 3? Wtf, only because the babies that played the 5 will get filtered?
Some more translations:
>It is now possible to max out all Social Links on your very first playthrough in Reload.
>“Maxing out every Social Link in one go will be no easy feat, but it’s not as difficult before, similarly to P5. It’s achievable if you go about doing so in the right way.”
>Wada-san was very surprised by people figuring out ways to max out all Social Links in the original P3, especially because it was not originally designed with that intention. “How!? How were they able to figure out how to do that?”
>Niizuma-san: "With this announcement, I feel confident that we have been able to show what P3 would look like if the P-Studio of today were to have developed it."
>"We wanted to respect those who had past experiences with Persona, as well as those who started with P5."
On adjusting the design of Tartarus:
>“We couldn’t reduce the amount of levels to climb and create fixed dungeons akin to P5, so we had to follow the guidelines of the original and create a dungeon with an array of small elements that could be interacted with.”
>“One example being the conversations between your allies. These particular conversations can only be heard while in Tartarus. There are also breakable objects and movements in the background. We really only focused on adding small things to make it seem more interesting.”
>It is now possible to max out all Social Links on your very first playthrough in Reload.
booooooooooooooooooooooooo
You could do that in fes with a guide
>>Wada-san was very surprised by people figuring out ways to max out all Social Links in the original P3, especially because it was not originally designed with that intention
having followed a guide at the time i was pretty impressed at how hyperoptimized the entire run had to be
>Maxing out every Social Link in one go will be no easy feat, but it’s not as difficult before, similarly to P5.
Glad to hear they have absolutely no clue WHY the social link system was the way it was. Inspires lots of confidence!
Pandering to casuals has fricking killed gaming.
>Duuude I NEED to see all the content in one go!
Frick off. Social links as a system incentivizes replaying and adds to the main theme persona 3 BEATS YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH. I cannot fricking believe they are doing this. This is going to be a fricking shitshow.
Maxing all S Links in one run was a pain in the ass though. I prefer not needing a guide.
>>It is now possible to max out all Social Links on your very first playthrough in Reload.
>Gankerirgins will seethe about this
kek, day 1 buy for me
>Around half of the production team involved on P3R were not game developers at the time they played P3, so they used their perspectives as players to better understand the positive and negative aspects of playing P3.
Garbage. Game's dead.
At least they played the game... look at 60% of Guild Wars 2 devs, who never even played Guild Wars 1. Game is pure shit.
I'm so glad you morons have no actual impact on video games as a whole.
>No fatigue
Boo
Thank god imagine wanting to play p3 vanilla gameplay you have to be mentally ill lmao
>4Gamer:
>I've asked a lot of things that came to my mind, but how did you arrange the parts that changed from the original?
>Mr. Yamaguchi:
>First of all, we checked the specifications of the original version, such as the parts that are buried compared to the current Persona series, and the elements that do not fit in the current era. Then, I discussed the revised parts with the development members, and asked about things that bothered me when I was a player.
No more troony joke or pedo shit lmao
>4Gamer:
>I see. I feel reassuring about that, but fans tend to have their own ideal image of their personas, so it must have been difficult to coordinate their opinions.
>Mr. Yamaguchi:
>yes. The development members who were players at the time have a strong love for their work, just like everyone else (laughs).
As the director, I explored the direction of the remake while maintaining a balance, but each person had different preferences. We often had conflicting opinions, like, "If you get rid of that part, it won't be a P3!"
>Mr. Niitsuma:
>I looked at it and said, "It's okay to have a fight, but please wrap things up by next week."
>Mr. Yamaguchi:
>(smile)
Ok, maybe I'm wrong, I hope they didn't remove those
I wonder if tartarus will remain randomly generated or if the full moon shadows will get a proper dungeon or something along those lines.
No FemC is the biggest red flag
There's no excuse to do a remake but then cut content
Is money not an excuse?
Careful anon, whenever you bring up the lack of features in the remake. These contrarians will have to double down on their stances. Stating that it's no loss or that the FEMC or The Answer has no worth.
gays that complain about /misc/ shit instead of objectively cut content aren't real people so their opinion doesn't matter
So there's a chance to have all the content in one place for this remake but then they still cut content, it's bullshit and I won't support this game tbh, they can have their "P5 audience"
I dunno, man, I kinda expected this. I don't think there was ever a chance of those things being in. Atlus doesn't do things unless there's something in it for them.
It's just sad to see is all, besides its not like me avoiding it will change anything all the secondaries that started on p5 will eat it up then buy p3 remake: Sapphire right after
The irony is that P3P did exactly that.
P3P had the best excuse of all: You can't fit The Answer into the UMD along with the main story. Why do you think FeMC exists in the first place?
You absolutely could have fit the answer in, but they decided to replace it with the femc stuff instead.
FeMC is less costly in terms of space.
No you couldn't. They didn't have enough space for it.
>You can't fit The Answer into the UMD along with the main story.
Dude it's just tartarus with like 20 minutes of bad cutscenes
Honestly does The Answer even work without cutscenes? Like I remember seeing that cutscene where ??? completely fricking disintegrates.
reddit is open again, newfriend
I'm so fricking glad, FeMC and p3p as a whole shits on everything Persona 3 is, I hope that you have to pay ANOTHER 60 dollars for it
99% of gamers are male
Sasuga modern atlus. Can't wait to see how hard they rape it.
>Every Social Link event is fully voiced.
Holy shit this is great. Can't wait to listen to a dying man for 10 ranks
Frick the answer and frick the femc.
>and frick the femc.
gladly
thanks I hate it
only thing i want to know is if the dungeon system will be changed to something decent like persona 5 gameplay or they will make the same boring ass floors for the remake. P5 gameplay is so much better.
No. They said that they couldn't create unique dungeons for Tartarus due to how it's structure. They did alter it to an extent to make it a little more interesting, but there's no unique level designs, it's all still RNG. I mean were you really expecting the 200+ floor Tartarus to have all unique floors?
i hope they just remake the sets of floors in to good dungeons, so even if its the same thing for 10 or 20 floors, each new batch of floors would look very different dungeons presets, like persona 4 did, but with much better variation.
this way they can make it more fitted for exploration and having more personality like Persona 5 and still keeping the classic system.
frick off Black person, just because you have shit taste doenst make you older, best part of persona 3 was the narrative elements, the dungeon crawling was garbage
Seems like they changed it but they're being vague about how much.
No you fricking zoomer
>P5 gameplay is so much better
It's the exact same shit except more decorative and you can hump vases and statues for easy ambushes.
>but the parkour
Is just scripted movement along linear paths. All style, no substance, it adds nothing.
>Every Social Link event is fully voiced.
I'm excited to hear the romantic scenes voiced now
If it's not Michelle Ruff whispering to me in that sweet sweet girly voice of hers what's the point?
what's the point when we've lost the original cast?
Most of the jap cast is returning though?
>new VA's
>after 12 fricking years they suddenly decided to get new VA's
>No gay shit
absolutely based
That would require actual work and this is a cashgrab.
What are you even talking about? Did you really think that was a possibility. Making Akihiko, Junpei, and Shinji dateable as the MC?
>Literally over a decade of Ganker calling femc and the answer bad
>Now theat those are gone everyone is pretending they give a shit
Lol
With the nature of a remake Atlus could've improved them as they implemented the content. Same goes for the base P3 content, I really hope things like pacing or certain plot developments are improved.
No one called the FemMC bad until a few years ago. Same time all the tourists screaming "TRANIME" showed up here.
Confirmed to be shit. You don't have these "hey guys let's calm down and be positive" kind of interviews unless there's something really awful they're trying to get in front of.
I mean they already said that there's no Answer or FeMC. A handful of people are gonna boycott the game over that.
I think it's worse than that, but enjoy the p4 remake.
>You don't have these "hey guys let's calm down and be positive" kind of interviews unless
they have these kinds of interviews all the time. Every game has at least one interview where the devs try to hype it up.
>Censored shit
>But also no gay
hmm
I hope they didn't cut anything from it
Why are you people acting like the troony joke wasn't censored already in on of the other re-releases
Because it was funny, I don't see why they would remove that
I mean yeah it's moronic that they'd censor it but P3R really isn't to blame on that one
The one that has chance of being removed is the e-girl social link, but japaneses love e-girls, so I doubt that they do it either
>The one that has chance of being removed is the e-girl social link
This is agism
>The one that has chance of being removed is the e-girl social link
They would never remove Fuuka's social link.
Fuuka isn't a e-girl though. She is a sentient forehead with an exoskeleton attached.
Fuuka is a e-girl, yes.
>fuuka is 152cm
>mitsuru is 166cm
>canonically, this is about a 5 inch difference in height
Womanlets.
I wonder if Mitsuru ever looks at Fuuka and just gets the urge to hug her. But of course she represses that urge because it's inappropriate. ...But look at her. She's so small and huggable, like a puppy.
Very chungus and wholesome! Upvoted!
>he doesn't know
So no dicky SL rank 10?
thats probably still in, its a crush on the player and japs like e-girlshit
They are absolutely going to cut Maiko or heavily rewrite her. She isn't gonna want to marry Door-kun this time.
I don't want a aithul remake I want half the social links to either frick off or have better stories.
half of the production team involved on P3R were not game developers at the time they played P3, so they used their perspectives as players to better understand the positive and negative aspects of playing P3.
Oh boy. This is gonna cause tears from Ganker
>I can only get enjoyment if Ganker is angry
Ganker always find something to be angry about. You should find something different to edge to.
What the frick are you talking about you moron? When the hell did I say I got enjoyment out of it? Are you autistic?
You replied to the wrong person.
There's only 1 (uno) things I care about, whether or not Chidori can be saved. I'm tired tired of NuPersona male friends being beta cucks with seemingly no ability to date because that'd make the neet player feel insecure, let my homie Jumpei keep his goth gf
The fatigue system being gone is whatever it actually is a positivity change for the most part I’m more concerned about the new story stuff
Anon she was savable in fes
>troony localizer
>troony voice actors
no thanks
Ugh this sounds like the made it too similar to P5
Atlus won't kneel to anti-e-girlgays you Black folk worry too much
Japan lost.
If hey removed the fatigue system then they probably removed the go to bathroom too, shit
I've said this before and I'll say it again: The Answer should not have been a game mode. It's completely ridiculous. Persona 3 is made up of two equally important elements: the social sim and the dungeons/battles. P3 does not work when either of these two elements are missing. And what does The Answer do? It fricking rips off a VITAL HALF of P3's gameplay and just tells the player to explore Tartarus for twenty hours. You can't fricking fix this. The Answer's literally written so that the party can't even leave the goddamn dorms until everything's over. All you can fricking do is just explore Tartarus.
Yes, Tartarus. The Abyss of Time is LITERALLY just Tartarus with inverted colors. People keep making ridiculous claims like "YOU CAN FIX THE ANSWER BY GIVING THE PLAYER A COMPENDIUM". No you fricking can. Again, they ripped out half the goddamn game and tried to sell the other half as a separate mode. Look at how ridiculous it is. The Abyss of Time is completely identical to Tartarus. The party had its levels lowered. The content is LITERALLY COMPLETELY IDENTICAL TO WHAT YOU WERE DOING FOR HALF OF P3. The ONLY unique element is a new final boss, but it still doesn't change the fact that The Answer is, and I repeat, LITERALLY JUST AN ADDITIONAL TWENTY HOURS OF TARTARUS.
Salty P4gay detected
What does P4 have to do with The Answer being shit?
Now that fatigue and condition is gone, does that mean I can't take a shit anymore? I won't be able to annoy Yukari anymore?
Restrooms are still there. You can see that you're able to enter them from the mini map
They are there, but you can still use it?
yes
you could still use bathrooms in p5, they have no gameplay implications other than roleplaying i guess
they do tho, it tells you how close you are to improving one of your social stats (charm, proficiency, etc)
Here's my prediction: They'll release The Answer as a drama CD or a novel.
Nah, that'd be too nice. Best way to experience the Answer is still gonna be a Cutscene and Dialogue compilation video on Youtube.
commands and AI commands are in P3R like other Persona games from P4 onwards.
Expected, but still disappointed.
>It's another Ganker blames P3R for someone portable did episode
it was fine there. It's a hundred hour visual novel, you should be allowed to speed it up a bit for handheld.
Damn fes looks like absolute shit. Glad we got portable
Achually, it's persona 4's fault. P3P was after the well was tainted to begin with.
>no switch version
*yawn*
Good. Grow up and get an actual console.
>grow up
>get a REAL video game
Shut up nerd
You still play with Nintendo LMAO are you eight?
No I don't play video games because I'm not an incel chud, that's the point. Any other questions chuddy?
It's not a first party title so it won't sell and will only make it so pcgays get to pirate two weeks early. Why would anyone release on switch?
>Around half of the production team involved on P3R were not game developers at the time they played P3
So it's just a fangame? DROPPED. I'll just go replay FES
Direct commands aren't an issue as long as the tactics menu isn't neutered.
From the way they talk about this game, it will be. There’s no way they gave a shit about that. It’s just gonna be P5.
I'm excited for the AI voiced mod, just imagine all the social links voiced with that
>All S.Links are voiced
>I'll finally be able to hear Yukari and Mitsuru ask for sex
>But it isn't Michelle Ruff and Tara Platt
RUINED
>dubtroony
>Dubgays
www
>P3R will still be comically expressive just like the original P3, and there was unique attention put on retaining that aspect.
Huh? Out of all the modern persona games 3 was always the most somber one
Think they're talking about the goofy shit that happens from time to time
I think they're referring to stuff like picrel, for how somber p3 there's a lot, and I mean a LOT more funny faces than in P4 and P5
VIDEO GAMES
I like Fuuka's goofy face, usually after Junpei did some Stupei stuff
Probably talking about character animations. P3's character animations were fairly silly and exaggerated due to their lack of fine movement or detail.
Since p4g I only play JRPGs in handheld mode. Switch version plz
>no social links
So no fes content AT ALL confirmed. Jesus christ who fricking monkey pawed this shit?
Are you moronic?
I'm not Atlus, no.
You don't know how to read, it is worse
I've read it three times now. It says no male social links. No fricking fes content. There is no point to this "remake"
The point is releasing a definitive edition without any of the secondary garbage. Pretty based.
They're adding good content to the game, but also removing shit content.
Doesn't seem definitive in the slightest.
Could in portable which also had all fes content besides the answer
It wasn't in the OP so I'm not reading that.
>It wasn't in the OP so I'm not reading that.
So have a nice day gay
>Dude just read the entire thread
I wish I had that much spare time in my life to waste
>Dude just read the entire thread
I just pointed the part you need to read, you fricking animal
Yeah after saying I was a speed reader. I'm not about to read every single post in every single thread I visit.
Secondary content that made the overall package worse being deleted seems pretty definitive to me. I pray if we ever get a Catherine Remake in the distant future, it has none of the Full Body moronation.
>Catherine remake
Why? The original is unironically perfect. Nothing needs to be changed for that masterpiece
What's wrong with Full Body?
Full Body does have all the content of the original and more but that doesn't mean it's a better experience. imo the new content ruins the pacing a frickton and doesn't make it as memorable or fun.
They pretty much said frick you to anyone who was a Katherine fan.
What do you mean, it's not as if they took out the option of getting with her?
Her new ending is flat out horrible, while Catherine's new ending is pretty much them topping Katherine's original true ending.
But you can still get Katherine's true ending can you not? I don't see the problem if that is the case.
Do you not understand how an ending that makes her even more of a b***h retroactively ruins the old ones for the people who did like her? Like even I can understand it, despite not really liking her in the original.
Alright, alright...Fair enough. Never was a fan of either of them if I am being completely honest. But that's besides the point.
Same shit with the SJ remake, the new content undermines the old content so if you liked the original game it's a slap in the face.
Only for FeMC. There's no FeMC in this game.
You couldn't S.Link with male members in FES.
see
Kenji was literally in the trailer you fricking moron.
Who was part of the original game you moron. He wasn't added in fes
moron
>speedreading this hard
Hey homie. Do you like card games?
Now I’m worried. It reeeeeeaallllyyy sounds like they didn’t understand the game. The part about fatigue not going well with the calendar system is facepalm worthy. It literally gave meaning to the calendar and paced your dungeon trips. And the idea that people who were originally just fans are involved is a little gross to me. I don’t want a fan remake, I want one that’s done by people who were actually fricking there, and genuinely understand the game they’re dealing with. P3 in particular is weird and often misunderstood, and this interview sounds like they misunderstood it. This game could still be ok, but I’m reminded that this is still modern Atlus, and they’re not going to suddenly treat one of their old artsier games with respect.
The fatigue system is honestly great, it adds that little touch of realism to the whole experience. I liked the idea of members getting tired, you getting tired or sick.
Giving the male characters S.Links was never on the cards, I'd guess. I mean the only way they were able to be incorporated into FeMC's route was by eliminating the original Star, Moon, Magician, Justice and Strength links. And while I'm sure plenty of people would applaud the elimination of Nozomi, that was probably never gonna happen. So instead the game's just gonna let you interact with male characters without a Social Link.
>Since the communication remains the same as the original, we can't make them characters with communication, but we will prepare something that depicts their humanity and their relationship with the main character in a different way. I can't talk about specifics yet, but I hope you'll look forward to it.
Yeah. That. In this case "communication" probably means "Community", which is what Social Links are called in Japan. So no Social Link system, but I'm guessing the contents of their interactions won't be much different, and you'll probably get alternative rewards.
I was hoping for much the same if FEMC wasn't on the table. It seems like for what little we've seen thus far the Social Links will play out much the same as they originally did. Which is going to be disappointing, especially with Nozomi.
I like Nozomi's link. It doesn't hold anything back. P3 is much clearer about showcasing the ugliness of people than other games. These characters aren't saints. Some of them are pretty fricking awful human beings. But there's payoff in the end; they improve as people. In contrast, most S.Links in P3 and P4 start off reasonably likable and only get better from there. Even P5's Fortune link starts out scamming you but she's still more appealing than Nozomi is.
I think this is why P4's Social Links were overall so radically more popular than P3's. P4's just less ugly in general than P3 is. It's easier to swallow. It's not as interested in testing the limits of the player's acceptance.
To each their own. I get you that is one thing that makes P3 stick out from the later entries when it comes to social links. But it really felt like you were nothing more than an enabler.
Strictly speaking, you CAN criticize or reprimand them. In fact, Nozomi's S.Link doesn't actually let you put up with his bullshit at all. The problem is that this is a video game and players generally won't prioritize their own standards over in-game benefits. Since applying criticism doesn't win you any points, most players will throw away their integrity to maximize gains. Because it's a video game, integrity isn't important.
This is the inherent flaw of Persona 3's approach to S.Links. It doesn't actually reward honesty so there's never a reason to be honest.
Yeah, I actually don't even hate Nozomi's S. Link that much. It was a good way of exploring the Moon link.
I bet his accent will be gone
>frenchkid was the biggest weeb
how did they know at the time?
because that's always been the case moron. France is the biggest consumer of manga in the west and has been for decades
And yet all they fricking read is Wan Piss
It's actually really impressive, it's not a per capita stat, they are a bigger market than even the US despite being 1/5 the population.
Seriously? Why's that? Is there some cultural thing going on that makes them really like weebshit?
People subconsciously just want fun stories of cool people doing cool things. Western media is just Diversity Ensemble doing Mary Sue shit and you need to like them because they're badass and quirky and better than straight white men
French are degenerate
They have a more compatible culture. If you look at the stats the US is actually only up there as a market force because of sheer population, per capita Americans generally don't like foreign media period, let alone japanese stuff. I'd hypothesis it's the puritan attitudes that still run deep, even though people don't like to admit it.
>frick off Black person, just because you have shit taste doenst make you older, best part of persona 3 was the narrative elements, the dungeon crawling was garbage
Then go watch the movie or read the novel. P3 without it's dungeon crawl is not P3.
Why does it feel like Makoto just doesn't like Kenji?
tbh i'd have punched him in the face day 1 myself
because he doesn't.
Kenji is a stupid piece of shit even before P3P reveals he had a cutie tomboy childhood friend thirsty for his D if he just stopped acting moronic for 10 minutes
The narration (which is Makoto's thoughts) are pretty mean about him
There's a degree of bluntness in P3 that later games lack. Plus, the characters themselves are somewhat less "universally likable". Kenji's a dumbass, Kaz is a turbo-dumbass, Hidetoshi's a self-righteous jackass, Nozomi's in a cult. You don't see that kind of thing in later games.
Makoto himself is a bit of a dick, he has that going for him compared to the other protags.
It's part of his appeal
He's only a dick if you make him one. It's arguably one of the game's strengths. The protagonist's personality was much less set in stone than P4's or P5's. His answers were often much more distinct from one another than his successors, so he didn't have a truly solid personality.
Yeah I mean he has more dickish answers, but as you can see on those Kenji screenshots his inner thoughts can be pretty standoffish as well.
So it's a bit of his personality shining through, it comes with the setting, since he's a depressed dude.
He's only depressed if you make him. He has plenty of more positive answers as well. In fact, whenever Atlus is forced to give him a personality, he's always much less emo than fans keep making him out to be. Only the movie made him an apathetic loser.
Not really, he's definitely depressed at the beginning at least, it's reflected in the game's themes, music and dialogue options, and how they change through the course of the game.
No. You can also choose less neutral or negative options. You just have a specific image of him so you're biased towards a specific idea of what he was like. Even early on, he has some relatively friendly dialogue choices. He's not a completely despondent jackass.
I'm saying he is definitely depressed, not that he's a complete piece of shit, he definitely has an edge on him that you can see shine through, alongside all the other stuff I mentioned.
I'm not biased about anything that's just what the game presents to you.
And again, I'm saying there are positive dialogue choices. They exist whether you like it or not.
Why are you getting all pissy about it? when did I deny that he has a good side to him?
Because you only see what you want to see. You DO have the option to not play him as depressed. You always have that option. You're just pretending these options don't exist.
>You're just pretending these options don't exist.
No, if anything you're the one pretending his part that's depressive doesn't exist.
I never claimed he was a one dimensional depressive butthole.
I said he could be a bit of an butthole, which he can.
He CAN be depressed. But he's not objectively 100% canon depressed. Objective 100% canon does not exist here.
How is that when everything, from the song lyrics that you can listen throughout the entire game, to the inner monologues that the game presents to you without any input from the player, to the very core of the theme that the game presents paint the very same picture I'm talking about?
You know that being depressed doesn't mean that's all you are right? I'm surprised this is a stance that exists because it's widely accepted.
Jesus you're so fricking stupid, get reading comprehension
Makes sense, he practically has no future in Japan so of course he has harsher options.
It feels like he's only talking to some of these people just for the Persona benefits.
>can't run with hands in pocket
Look what they did to my boy!
So if I don't buy this, will atlus think I don't like P3?
can you still take a piss in reload?
>and characters will have individual Persona elements
What is that supposed to mean exactly?
Special effects in combat i guess?
In P3, there was some redundancy in characters' abilities, such as how both Junpei and Koromaru used Agi, and both Akihiko and Ken used Zio. My guess is they're gonna have Koromaru use Ei and Ken use Kou now.
Probably each character will have a special skill
>>All modern series elements are in P3R, including the lack of fatigue/tiredness, and characters will have individual Persona elements.
It's shit
I'm still bothered by the fact that they released a port only to then announce a remake shortly after.
It's for the FeMC fans.
>All voices were recorded again
🙁
Need more Elizabeth fatlus
I like Yukari's summer uniform
Why bring a jacket in the summer? Although I do love girls with them tied around their waste.
Because it's japan
if it rains maybe
Trains are cold aren't they?
I hate that they just copy/pasted P5's schoolbag for the remake instead of using the original design.
I hope they added weather to the game. Should be one of the things they include since they said they're adding stuff from P4 and P5.
I'm not sure if you can reliably add weather into P3 without fricking with S.Links. P4 and P5's S.Links were designed with weather in mind, but P3's aren't.
...it's over
Door-kun bros, EXPLAIN!
>implying we won't get Joker as a boss in the Velvet Room so we can claim our justice.
Will they make him more goofy?
All the locations seem to be one to one thankfully
why is mc a stick instead of a manlet
Depression
It was nice feeling momentarily optimistic, but this is quickly sounding like something I’ll play one time, then b***h about forever and warn people to avoid. It’s just sounding like a second Portable. A game that’s, yet again, made by a different and team and doesn’t understand what made the game unique and special to begin with. I really hope I’m wrong about it.
>Social Links will stay the same
So you will still need to cheat on all the girls if you want to MAX every link?
Pwease understandu too diffiacwult to program anon-sama.....
It's easier to max out social links in 1 run now
That would be quite the oversight if that is the case. It was criticized and taken into account in the later games. I don't understand why that wouldn't be the case here, but it's Atlus. So who knows?
Yeah Doorkun is too big of a chad to not date every female he meets.
Doorkun NEEDS to spread his seed to every female he meets
Is Yuko a Gyaru?
I think she's actually brown
No, she's just tan.
explain the lips fricko
She's fricking ugly
No, she is african american.
Isn't she supposed to be an islander, Okinawan or some shit? They're usually portrayed as being much darker.
Why does people care about the FeMC so much? It's almost unnatural how much people on YouTube are losing their minds. There's this one YouTuber that despises the remake girls they, but they're triggered the FeMC isn't being added. This has to be some shitty marketing campaign or something. They're gauging interest in her then she'll appear in a later trailer or DLC. I don't care if I'm a schizo.
For me, it's simply a matter of putting all of the content in one package and refine it. That's what I don't understand about all of the criticism against FEMC and The Answer.
I know a couple of girls who care a lot, because they aren't gay and much preferred to date the boys than the girls.
But personally it doesn't affect me at all and thus I don't really care personally.
Because it makes the game have less content, and her route has some interesting things to it, even if she'll ultimately never be the canon MC for P3 references
The only reason she was able to have those things was because almost no real budget was put into P3P, meaning they had plenty of cash to spare to putting FeMC's shit in. But now that they're remaking the entire game from scratch, FeMC is basically a tumor on resources.
Atlus have drained ungodly amounts of cash from people as it is with how much they've milked the franchise, them not having the budget to go balls to the wall in truly delivering a super remake of their golden calf, is bullshit
They have money, but they're not obligated to spend it just to make consumers happy. This is the ultimate reality of the relationship between the corporation and the consumer. They're not our friends, they will never do anything unless there's something of value in it for them. There is no such thing as altruism.
Sure, but that also means it's fine for consumers to be frustrated at Atlus' decisions whether it's about not including The Answer/FeMC route, or removing the whole tiredness system
The fundamental issue lies in the fact that consumers aren't going to boycott the game just for the absence of those features. A few might, but that number's probably so low that it won't make a difference. So from the company's perspective, there's nothing to be gained from adding them. They're only losing money while getting almost nothing in return.
The relationship between the consumer and the company should and does begin and end at checkout. Companies don't deserve the consumer's loyalty, while consumers don't deserve more than what they're paying for. They are not our friends and we are not theirs. Subsequently, if you truly believe that the absence of The Answer and FeMC makes this product not worth your money, you shouldn't purchase it. You owe this company nothing and you should not feel loyal to them in any way.
>they will never do anything unless there's something of value in it for them.
And... you mean to say, making an optimal profit from us consumers isn't something of value to them?
No. Because not enough people will boycott this game for the absence of those features. Adding those features are not going to lead to dramatically increased sales. They'd merely be spending more money for little payoff. The only possible reason that Atlus would add The Answer and FeMC is exclusively out of a sense of generosity and altruism, and history has shown that they are devoid of both these traits.
>Confirmed waste of everyone's time
FES and P3P Chad's, press D to dab on the Reload secondaries. We fricking told you.
guys guys GUYSSSS SAKME FRICKING GAME!!! AGAIN!!! SAME GAME???!!
>Akinari fully voiced
>Mutatsu fully voiced
>FRICKING TANAKA fully voiced
I FRICKING KNEEL. We are so fricking back bros!
>no more tired/sick
So wait doesn't this mean no more drinking what's his face's crazy drugs for stat boosts?
You can tell P3R is going to way better than P5
Just shut up and eat.
>P3R is an important challenge for the future of the Persona series
P1/P2 remakes eventually? Those are the rare games that might actually need that.
I wouldn't count on it. P1 has the Snow Queen quest. When was the last time you saw a modern game in which the story split off early on into an optional alternative route complete with multiple unique dungeons and bosses as well as a unique party member only available in that route? No dev would ever do that in the modern day.
The issue is whether or not you can realistically remake P1 and/or the P2 Duology in a way which would be seen as "palatable" to the modern Persona audience. It's clear from these interviews that making P3R as welcoming as possible for that audience was a top priority, and all the older Personas are fundamentally lacking in all of the social sim aspects people come to expect from the series in the modern day.
Nah. The bigger issue is "Would Atlus really be willing to retain the Snow Queen Quest in this hypothetical remake?" And if so, will its incorporation be as it was in the original game, or will it no longer be optional? Optional super-extensive content is no longer something that exists in modern games.
modern atlus would do P1 remake as a full price release and then release P1 remake enhanced edition a year later with SQQ as a full price release
That wouldn't be an issue for the existence for the remake itself, only its quality. If the question is just "would they ever remake any of the oldsonas?" then the answer is most probably: "Only if they can nusona-ify them and that work is considered worth the effort."
I have mixed feelings regarding the removal of fatigue. On one hand, the mechanic was basically irrelevant on the gameplay side of things past the first 25-50% of the game, but on the other hand that in it itself was a storytelling method of showing the player the characters are getting stronger outside of just leveling up in battle.
Otherwise, I'm excited for the changes they're making but I'll miss that little detail.
It honestly never mattered to me. It has never once occurred to me to not just ignore it and power through. Yes being tired made things a bit harder, but the way I figured, there was more to gain than there was to lose in just forcing myself through. Eventually it stopped mattering, but I've never once paid it any mind.
I liked getting to Great status and critting every turn
what floor is that and where are my abstract open spaces
Pretty sure it's in the first part of Tartarus
I got tired of Tartarus before any of the characters and never stayed for long
>characters will have individual Persona elements.
... what?
consume the same game. talk about the same game. promote the same game. pls consume.
All of you saying original is a flawless masterpiece are nostalgia-ridden Black folk. Get out of your cum stained basement and face the reality that the combat, the dungeon and the fact that the social links weren't voiced, was shit. This is objectively an upgrade for anyone that isn't on the spectrum.
>Every Social Link event is fully voiced
This should have been the case from the start. At least there's one positive for reload.
>P3R will still be comically expressive just like the original P3
Maybe I'm just forgetting, but I don't remember Persona 3 being any more or less expressive than 4 & 5, so idk what they're talking about with that.
>This should have been the case from the start
Prior to Digital Devil Saga, Megaten games barely even fricking had any voice acting. God knows the original P3 didn't have the budget to have every single line of dialogue voiced.
I'm not saying every line in the game should have been voiced, but I feel like the actual social link dialogue doesn't add up to an amount where it's unreasonable to expect for it to be voiced.
Anon have you ever really looked at the cast for p3? It's got a bunch of seriously top tier (for the time) seiyuu in the cast. Those people aren't cheap and having to have them do social links for each member of the cast having to do an extra day or two of recordings (and then they need to pay to rent out the recording on top of the extra pay for the actors)
This is something that current Atlus can do but i seriously doubt it was something that they really would want to pay back in the persona 3 days unless they really had to
I don't get why gays think voice acting everything is a positive to begin with. Having it for important bits sure, but having everything voice acted just means the dialog has to be dumbed down to fit the budget. Nevermind that's disk space that could have been put towards actual content instead of 50 gorrilion different language voiceovers no one is gonna listen to.
>All modern series elements are in P3R, including the lack of fatigue/tiredness
>no more reason to swap out characters mid Tartarus exploration
they really are making it hard to like this game
>no more reason to swap out characters mid Tartarus exploration
I honestly don't remember that being particularly necessary by the time you get Aigis
i liked it mostly for the chsnged dialogue when people are tired, and the feeling of danger, and the gamble between staying on a floor and trying to get as far as hou can in one run, vs going back down and losing access to that party member for the day in the process
can't speak for anyone else, but i'm glad to hear fatigue is getting scrapped. all it was is a minor but persistent annoyance. i got through the game just fine and never used anyone besides Yukari, Mitsuru, Aigis, and on very rare occasions Akihiko, and Junpei.
I legitimately wouldn't have minded if they kept the concept of The Answer but revamped it completely so it has a little more going on than a threadbare story spread out over 20 hours of dungeon grinding. You could very easily have mini-social links where Aigis just hangs out with members of SEES and we get some small windows into what they're lives are like after P3 ends, and these could have been used to break up long stretches of dungeon crawling.
To me, The Answer always kind of felt like a shitty movie tie in to an anime series, where you go in expecting to see the characters you like again, but they all act slightly off and are so completely sidelined by whatever asinine plot the movie wants to shove in your face that it never really feels like you're getting a real continuation of the source material, it's like bad fanfic written by someone who only understands how to write the characters in terms of catchphrases and very broad, surface level emotional beats
There's only so far you can go with that, especially since it lacks a proper time progression system and you can't leave the dorm at all. It should have been a book or something.
Imagine being so shit at the game you hate the best part, the dungeon and combat. The answer is the best part of the game.
Persona 5 is so fricking gay.
remakegays will never know the feeling of taking a shit at school and feeling Great and critting everything in tartarus
Lacking FeMC kinda fricks over male characters here
It really does, but I guess it won't matter to the contrarians getting more content with their waifus.
I forgot how short Fuuka really is
Five feet is pretty normal Japanese female height.
She's the shortest girl in the game.
Mostly by virtue of the models not being to scale. The gap isn't actually very large but the scale is wack so she looks short as frick.
I wonder who they'll cast as Igor in Japanese. P5 still used reused soundclips. Either way, it's gonna be weird to not hear the familiar YOOUUUKOSO
Holy frick, the sideboob
You better not be able to save Shinji, that is the one thing i think they'll do (like in P3P) that I will be absolutely furious about. It's a game about DEATH, some people need to die and not come back
Having a sick party member usually was less useful than having a member less in battles. They're constantly missing basic attacks, takings crits (which is an extra turn for the opponent) and their stats are pathetic.
They are going to remove Slink reversals right?
I thought reversals were gone since P3P
How does Yukari's slink play out in the P3P? Can you still frick it up? I never played P3P but I was pretty amused to see Yukari slapping MC if you chose the wrong dialogue option.
>"In Persona 3 Portable and Persona 4 however, only Chihiro Fushimi, Akihiko Sanada, Ai Ebihara and Naoto Shirogane's Social Link can be reversed or broken through very specific and sometimes obvious dialogue choices, and Links can no longer be broken or reversed by not spending time with their respective characters."
From wiki. I won't remember how Yukari S Links plays out differently in P3P but I know there's no broke ups.
You can still reverse female S.Links in p3p (same with femc and male s.links) but they removed the stupid jealousy 'mechanic' present in FES and the original which reversed a link if you spent too much time with another girl (i think it's like 4 times and then the link will reverse)
>refuse to meet out w/ kaz
>"oh ok"
>link broken
i mean that was pretty hardcore but i've lost a lot of friends irl doing just that so idk if i'd want that in there again
They might not. I think they'll remove time limits on how long you can not interact with a character, but certain dialogue choices inevitably led to reversals in the original game and if they got rid of the reversal mechanic, then they'd have to change that part of the dialogue.
In regards to the girls, I think one workaround is not making romance mandatory. They only get mad at you for two-timing if you're actually two-timing. That would be the most sensible way to do it.
>and characters will have individual Persona elements.
What does this mean?
Will they expand even more on Elizabeth's relationship with Door-kun? Is she popular enough to get this kind of pandering?
It looks like everyone's getting expanded interactions, so I don't see why Elizabeth wouldn't. Hell, if they're going as far as recasting Igor, maybe we'll get to talk to him a bit more.
Not only will they not expand it, they will side line all the previous heroines for a new marie style character that lets you avoid becoming door-kun in a new ending(while also letting you save everyone who would otherwise die, because tone deaf new endings are an atlus remake standard).
One of the biggest complaints of P3 was that, instead of bonding with your team, you were hanging out with boring buttholes.
They'll most likely add interactions between Door and every important character, that being the party members, Ryobi, Elizabeth and possibly Stream.
>instead of bonding with your team
AHHHHH CRINGE I'M DYING OF CRINGE IMAGINING THIS
THEY'RE GONNA SCOOBY-DOO PERSONA 3, THEY'RE GONNA P4 IT AND IT'S GONNA BE CRINGE
Sees has always been a group of coworkers with their own demons who bond to save the world, I really doubt that dynamic will change.
However you have to admit that Akihiko and Ken are never really your friends and you just stop interacting with Junpei after the first two months. Ryoji is also the most useless being in the game, him being a classmate for a month is pointless since you barely talk to him, you could really just replace him with Pharos and not change anything. Him being anything more than a blatant Eva reference would be a welcome change.
You don't bond with the team in 4 or 5. Everybody just orbits the protagonist.
In 3 there are a few bonding moments but they're within the main story, and party social links are just "which girl do you want to crank your doorknob?"
Giving every party member a social link was a fricking mistake. Yeah, let's help Kanji get through his hangups over his feminine interests and whether that makes him a gay. Now let's backseat his growth and make him the butt of the gay jokes for the rest of the game.
Where's his growth? Do the social link. You did the social link? Stop asking questions, man, just play the game.
I'm not even gonna start on P5, social links and character arcs are the least of that game's problems.
Exactly this. More than anything else this is the biggest problem with 4 and 5. None of the characters are allowed to actually be characters because any sort character arc past their intro is shunted into the link, which must be as inconsequential as possible due to being optional. P3 had the characters develop because all the important bits were tied to the story itself.
I agree that the P3 team dynamic is much better for it since the characters don't become useless the second their dungeon ends.
But there should be more scenes together with the guys at least to show them as actually being your friends rather than the guys you go to Tartarus with. At the very least have the Judgement SL be an actual interactions related one and not a glorified Tartarus floor bonus.
But they already do that. They really are just colleagues for the most part, and the guys all try to bond outside of "work hours" throughout the story.
Adding to that with optional scenes or stuffing in more mandatory stuff is going to either ruin the cohesion or ruin the pacing. You have to suspend your disbelief just a little bit.
Ironically p3p did it best with the femc route and junpei.
Junpei still gets his arc and the SL with him is just you getting to know him better.
Elizabeth is really popular i feel so I don't think they'll let her fall by the way side
They keep saying "communications" (s. links) are fundamentally the same so my assumption would be they've retained reversal. I understand it's something future games would more or less drop, but they are pretty core to p3's social link system so I don't think you'd say the system is the same if you were really going to remove that feature.
I'd imagine they function more or less similarly to P3P. In P3P, there was no time limit.
>the lack of fatigue/tiredness
>The development team intentionally went out of their way to ensure P3R retains everything P3 is known for
If they lied about this why should I believe anything else?
The issue with a remake of P2 is this: First off, forget about putting both IS and EP in a single package. That will never happen and all of you know it. So then here's the second issue: Will a hypothetical P2IS remake make enough money to justify greenlighting the P2EP remake? Considering the troublesome history of P2, I don't really know.
What a little jealous b***h
Junpei acting out and trying to be the lead man when Door gets handed the pennant of protagonist made for a much better character than Yosuke or Ryuji, who just smile and give you the thumbs up. "You're the boss, boss! I'm cool being the assist!"
Silent protagonist syndrome isn't a good leader trait.
Yosuke feels like a response to Junpei. He’s cool with you being the leader in contrast, even suggesting it himself, but he still harbors some resentment for you like Junpei does. They ultimately fill a similar role, but it’s remixed and slightly toys with your expectations. Yosuke is more bitter and cynical than Junpei, but less of a hot head. I think he’s still pretty interesting.
I think Yosuke outwardly has it more together than Junpei, but Junpei's probably got more depth. I think a lot of people miss this, but between himself, Yosuke and Ryuji, Junpei is the only one who makes an effort to improve his grades. Yosuke and Ryuji just kinda give up, but Junpei manages to get at least average. It's not amazing, but I think Junpei's leagues ahead of Yosuke in some ways.
Yosuke has a higher floor but a lower ceiling, while Junpei has a lower floor but a higher ceiling.
Not gonna lie, it's fricking kino when you get to see the final exam results and Junpei's moved up a lot of places.
I forgot that he's a dick this far in the game. I thought it ended after the train
Junpei doesn't really chill out until he gets his dick wet iirc
Don't worry, they'll fix that in P3R.
But they mended it somewhat in P3P already?
Yes, by giving us the option to keep him dead.
I really don't know why people like junpei so much and call him the best bro. Yeah yosuke is a clown and ryuji is a fricking characture, but junpei is an actual insecure douchebag who gets ass blasted that some emo homosexual sitting at the back of the class is more popular than he is, and hes always got some passive aggressive comment to make. Reminds me of that one friend in high-school who always compares himself to you and progressively got more and more bitter about it over the years. Embarrassing.
Because he does make efforts to improve. He stumbles a bit, but it kinda feels good seeing someone work so hard to get over their failings as a person.
Being more developed than a typical anime mc dickrider doesn't change the fact that he'd still be a homosexual irl
Why mass reply when you have nothing to say?
Because he is an actual character, not just someone that exists to suck the MC's dick all the time.
>what is a character arc: the post
>clown and ryuji is a fricking characture, but junpei is an actual insecure douchebag who gets ass blasted that some emo homosexual sitting at the back of the class is more popular than he is, and hes always got some passive aggressive comment to make
Because it is a character flaw that bites him in the ass on multiple occassions and something he grows out of and apologizes for as his character progresses.
In P5D, Junpei actually brings up his past behavior and apologizes again. Dude really feels bad about it. It was nice. Actually, I honestly kinda liked the dynamic he had with the protagonist in that. This shitty-ass dancing game gave more personality to their relationship than any P4 thing did with Yosuke and Narukami.
Junpei is bit of a twat until he gets over himself but he's a fricking ray of sunshine compared to the rest of your party. The SEES crew have a dour, aloof vibe that makes them feel more like coworkers than friends, and then there's Junpei wearing his heart on his sleeve.
Because he's not just a douchebag, he tries to be friends and it's a real struggle due to his insecurities.
/Elizabeth/
I hope we get a social link or something with Ryoji.
I always thought it was kinda weird that Ryoji was basically just a non-character who was relegated to being Junpei's dumbass friend untill the plot kicked in the very last moments considering his true identity.
That is one thing I liked about the p3 movies.
they look gay together
It's not gay if it is the antropomorphic personafication of death that has been living inside of you for a decade
Ryoji had a social link as FeMC
That's right he did have a social link for the FEMC. I hope they do at least add some interaction with him in Reload. At least that would've given him further characterization as a human. I was confused at first why Aigis was so concerned about Ryoji's presence near the MC. Considering we never hung out with him all that much. I am aware of the reveal later on.
Ryoji should have been a girl in FeMC's route.
Well I guess that would've been too much work. And they couldn't have been able to paint this Social Link in as much of a romantic light. Although he does mention he'd still have romantic feelings. Whether the protagonist was a male or a female, in the pic related.
It's kinda weird, because when you get right down to it, Ryoji is supposed to sort of be the protagonist's artificial Shadow. He more or less functioned as one. He's someone who was shaped by the protagonist and his experiences. This is why they have the same voice. Pharos and Ryoji only exist because they were inside the protagonist. Without them, he'd just be Death. Thanatos.
>went out of their way to ensure P3R retains everything P3 is known for
Well, we know that's a lie if the female protagonist option didn't make it in.
>Around half of the production team involved on P3R were not game developers at the time they played P3, so they used their perspectives as players to better understand the positive and negative aspects of playing P3.
Well it was nice to imagine the game might not be completely shit for a week but I guess all good things come to an end at some point.
this reads like an AI post that gathered all of Ganker
They need to revamp the Fusion Skill system. Most Fusion Skills were kind of useless. There wasn't enough variety. There wasn't enough of them.
They already did that in P3P. They turned them into consumable items.
They made it worse, consumables are lame
That doesn't help. That just dissuaded me from using them at all. I forgot they even existed most of the time except when fighting Elizabeth.
I mean you are right, but it's atlus. Further changes to the system will probably frick it up even more. I'd honestly be surprised if they are in at all.
If they're going this far, they probably will add a few more Fusions Skills.
But how would you do it? Have them become permanent skills for Door-kun as long as you have the persona in the compendium? Keep the system the same but increase the quantity of them and buff the effects of some?
Just make the player learn the spells permanently once he casts them once, but make them something you equip, with 4 slots (number subject to change) being available for spells of your choice. If you want to limit it a bit more, make them equippable from the VR.
I can't wait to be sold "The Answer" as $30 post launch content fellow Atlusisters!
>only 30 bucks
That will be a 70 dollar(probably 80 by the time it comes out) rerelease please, dlc doesn't carry over and is sold separately.
Better yet a $70 rerelease! Persona 3 Reloaded, with all off the bells and whistles! The female protagonist and The Answer, all in one package!
Thinking too small. Female protag will be separate DLC, at least 20 bucks, maybe 30.
True but Atlus would surely market it as an expansion pack at the very least.
Day 1 DLC.
the way they pulled that shit with dante makes me believe this is what we'll get instead
They'd have to alter it pretty heavily to make it actually marketable. Personally, it's hard to really say if The Answer is worth the asking price. Nearly all of its budget went into voice acting and the studio that made the animated cutscenes.
I guess they'd scale back on the anime cutscenes. Seeing as they have so far with the gameplay they've showcased. I think they could do something to change the pacing. Make the dungeon itself not as much of a chore to get around. And with the female protagonist we could see her variation on the Answer epilogue. Knowing that Theo didn't leave the Velvet Room, as we see him there in P4AU.
I don't think they'd bother doing that. In fact, in a hypothetical scenario in which they DID remake The Answer, it would completely shock me if they actually took FeMC into account. The thing about FeMC is that she far too heavily recontextualizes The Answer. Would Akihiko arrive at the same conclusion if it were her? Any scenario in which The Answer is remade would only be written with the male protagonist in mind.
The cutscenes are another issue. If you ask me, they're what give The Answer its worth. In fact, I'd go one step further and say that the cutscenes are the ONLY parts of any real value in The Answer, to the point where if they're gone, the whole thing would be worthless. But putting my opinions aside, the issue with The Answer's cutscene lies primarily in their complexity. The biggest issue of all would be the cutscene where ???'s body falls apart after it's defeated. I don't think there's any way a remake of that scene would do it any justice. There's also the Great Seal to consider.
Suicide is offensive to koreans so evokers will not be in the game by default, but will be available as paid dlc
>Around half of the production team involved on P3R were not game developers at the time they played P3, so they used their perspectives as players to better understand the positive and negative aspects of playing P3.
So basically who are this people involved? Japanese or American?
As much as localization branches like to act like they are "developers", the devs in japan absolutely are not including them when they talk about "production team". They're talking about all the new blood at Atlus in japan who weren't on the original p3 team but were still just consumers.
Am I the only one who thinks the game wont sell that well?
Femc has a lot of fans apparently, also Atlus story with releasing a new version in 2 years plus the awful treatment towards switch users because they accepted Gaijins money
I don't think FeMC fans are numerous enough to tank sales. Even some who complain will still end up buying it.
Maybe you are right, but it still feels incomplete I guess
I'll wait to buy it because I also suspect a better version with The Answer may come later, maybe with even some p1 and p2 fanservice if that persona party spin off rumour is real
I agree, I know the Answer and the femc are divisive amongst the fans. But for the sake of having all of the content in one definitive version. It seemed like a given to me. But you mentioned that Persona party spin-off, what do we know about it? Will it really feature the P1 and P2 cast? If so, I feel like it's going to be another monkey's paw. I really wouldn't want to see these characters get flanderized. Even if it means not seeing them in another title.
About the party spin off it was said by the same leaker who talked about p5t and p3r. According to that leaker its supposed to include p1 and p2 characters and coming to 2024, if this is true I can see them testing the waters with p1 and p2 and include some cameo in a more complete p3r
Thats weird, to me p3fes and p3p are still very playable, I could understand p2 at least
I'm planning on waiting in case of another release with the missing content as well.
But on the other hand I have a friend who loves P5 who couldn't get into the older Persona games and is very excited about Reload. I feel like there's more people out there like him than us.
I think they will end up fricking themselves out of sales by trying to appeal to everyone. If they don't though I think it will sell well.
>Every Social Link event is fully voiced.
I will finally hear my wife's confession with my ears.
>All modern series elements are in P3R
Except FeMC lmao
Sounds like most of the work went into voice acting, which is a shame because I genuinely do not give a shit about the majority of P3 links
>FeMC
>Modern series element
>4
>no femc
>5
>no femc
in what way is femc a modern element of persona exactly?
So no changes to the Social Links huh? Shit, I was really hoping Yukari, Fuuka, Mitsuru and Aigis' links would be 100% rewritten. I never liked them. Fuuka's especially is kinda lame. Since we have access to the kitchen now, they should recontextualize her link so that you're helping her learn to cook right there next to her. The old thing where they just kept meeting up on the school roof and tried her creations never did it for me. And then there's Mitsuru's thing with the fiance. Frankly, Haru did it better in P5. Mitsuru's fiance only shows up for ONE rank. It's boring as shit. And as for Aigis, I just don't give a frick about the cat or Kiyoshi. I really don't like P3's thing where a random NPC shows up for a single rank-up during an S.Link purely to give the character something to react to. It's not good writing.
>Since we have access to the kitchen now, they should recontextualize her link so that you're helping her learn to cook right there next to her.
That's kind of what they did with her link in FeMC's route - you two would meet at the school home ec room and cook together.
Yeah. It's honestly one of the few improvements. Fuuka's link is just so boring. It's the same shit for nine ranks in the same goddamn environment. I like Fuuka but I don't like her S.Link. It's dull as frick. She easily has one of the weakest S.Links in the game for that. It would be so much better if they changed locations, went grocery shopping together, went to a cafe, literally anything but just sitting on the fricking roof eating boxed lunches. I straight up can't even remember the bulk of her S.Link due to how boring it is.
I mean, I dunno, do you guys not agree? Wouldn't it be better if they moved to different places and went on actual dates instead of sitting around on the roof?
I agree, on the other hand High Priestess really stands out for how boring it is overall in contrast to Emperor.
It definitely could use a re-write but I think doing things like going shopping while she's trying to improve her cooking dips a bit too much into Yukiko's social link.
>I straight up can't even remember the bulk of her S.Link due to how boring it is.
Isn't that just P3 links in general? There's a few of them I forgot about entirely because nothing of interest happens, like the foreigner kid, either of the sports guys, or the student council guy.
I only remember Gourmet King because of how much I hate him. Even then I don't remember his actual name.
Yeah. I think the link I might like the absolute least is probably Fortune. In fact, Keisuke is straight up easily my least-favorite S.Link. But that just means this is a good opportunity to improve them. I mean, frick, NO ONE WOULD COMPLAIN. I mean a few contrarians might but most people would applaud just about any change made to most of these S.Links.
Like even Hierophant could use some fixing. Originally, a petition just starts up to keep the persimmon tree offscreen. I legitimately couldn't tell if the protagonist was actually responsible for starting that petition and the game just didn't show it, or if Bunkichi is mistakenly crediting him with something he didn't do. Thing is, the game does that a fricking lot. It keeps just implying that things happened offscreen without showing it. But imagine that in order to progress the S.Link, you actually had to start a petition to save the persimmon tree. Wouldn't that be cool? That would be a total improvement.
>Keisuke
Holy shit, I didn't even think of him. It takes skill to be forgotten even among the forgotten.
He not only has the most boring S.Link of all time, but he's also insufferable. "Waahhh my dad's too rich and I'm too talented, oh the pain of my existence!" Frick off.
Not including FeMC and The Answer almost feels like an admission that they were mistakes, ie not meant to be part of the "true" P3 experience
Either that or they plan to release them as DLC. Or as part of the enhanced Persona 3: Reloaded: Reloadeder edition, for full price obviously.
yeah, probably
sick of that kind of shit from Atlus honestly
>you could play the game now, or you can wait 3 fricking years to play the full experience
it's horseshit honestly
The Answer gets referenced directly in Arena and that gets more or less referenced in Golden too so I doubt it's that much of a mistake.
Will we be able to romance Aigis this time?
>this time?
Wasn't the MC always, along with the rest of the cast?
>along with the rest of the cast?
*of the female social links he interacted with.
Nah you couldn't properly romance her or Elizabeth. Just did sex.
And just like that, any interest I may have had is gone.
...Come to think of it, we'll probably get a Valentine's scene this time instead of just skipping straight to March.
Again, they should just release The Answer as a novella and end it with that.
isn't this just p5? what the frick
it's P3 in the style of P5, just as they say
>Around half of the production team involved on P3R were not game developers at the time they played P3, so they used their perspectives as players to better understand the positive and negative aspects of playing P3
this is concerning
I mean I'm not sure what people were expecting. Most of the guys who worked on previous games either left the company or went with Hashino to make Metaphor. Who did you think would stay behind to make this remake?
I'm not a doomer. there's still hope this ends up great as long as they deliver the story, remain faithful to the themes of death and hope, and make tartarus fun to grind.