I've never played any of the Phantasy Star games except for Zero on the DS. Is any of the original run worth playing or are they so antiquated they aren't worth revisiting?
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1 is a fun, basic scifi RPG. You may need a guide.
2 broke a lot of ground but is very difficult and has confusing dungeons.
3 has a bad reputation.
4 has great presentation and feels like a mature JRPG.
I couldn't even get far enough on 3 to form a opinion on it, that soundtrack is awful
1- Dungeon Crawler, you WILL need to map out the dungeon once you get to the seaside cave. Why? Labyrinthine, multiple layers, traps that drop you one floor down and traps you will have to eventually deactivate so you need to know where they are
2- Dungeons are called "layers of hell", also teleporters. You'll have to drop down the right hole to advance. Pretty good. If you have a good sense of direction you won't need to make maps until the final few dungeons
3- Wasn't made by the same team. The gimmick here is that at 3 points in the game, you can choose a wife and you continue the story as the new generation. Otherwise, it's rather bland, copypasted town tileset and houses (There's a story reason for it... but... yeah). It's the Black Sheep for a reason
4- Is just rather solid, but it's still on the same format as ever, it's kinda outdated for the year it came out. It has full screen comic panels for some story sections
Online ep 1&2 and Blue Burst - Too much to say. There's private servers. Play on PC
Online ep 3 - Card game, barely played
4- Is just rather solid, but it's still on the same format as ever, it's kinda outdated for the year it came out. It has full screen comic panels for some story sections
Bullshit. PS4 is one of the best RPGS of all time.
People keep claiming that and I just call bullshit
It's extremely outdated for the year it came out for, Sega just didn't have the ambition and it shows. It's ultimately... just about like the rest of the series
I started it, a few years after playing 1, 2 and 3, and I just didn't get into it. I'll start over again when I'll feel like playing a RPG of that era... But then again, I could probably play so much better
I keep hearing the "Best of all times" claim about it and I just call bullshit. This seems like peak "We have amazing RPGs at home"
>zoomer doesn't like retro game
>outdated for the year
this is vague, irrelevant nonsense
It's why I just gave him an eye roll.
FF6 releases 3 months after in Japan. It releases almost half a year after FF6 in NA. And that's just one example
The reality is that the game is really just like the rest of the series, the "best of" claim is laughable
5 months, and it's a different year
Less than 5 months and "different year", it basically released December 17th
Either way, the point stands that Phantasy Star 1 was impressive at release, IIRC last I checked it was ultra impressive when it released in the US especially... and then the series slowly let itself go
Sega absolutely got mogged due to the sheer lack of ambition with this one
>3 has a bad reputation.
I need to give 3 another chance but the big thing holding me back was not being able to make sense of the battle menu.
>It has full screen comic panels for some story sections
This is a really under-rated and unique element of the game that deserves more mention IMO. The "manga panel" cut-scenes make the games story a lot more engaging than most sprite-puppet shows or visual novel talking heads of the adjacent era, it's great. Just being able to see characters expressions and movements during scenes adds so much personality to the game and its cast.
As for how "out-dated" it is, I think it "feels" like most of the Final Fantasy games of the era in that it's fairly smooth to play, linear (with little side quests and free exploration here and there), not too hard or grindy, just easy to jump into and cruise through. In that sense it's pretty "modern" and plays pretty much the way most jrpg's into the PS2 era did at its core. The only parts of it that felt archaic to me were the menus and ui which felt just a tiny bit clunky compared to the final fantasies of the day.
I can understand preferring a Final Fantasy 6 or Chrono Trigger over it, but I do think PS4 has its own little corner thanks to the super fun setting and the manga scenes which add so much charm and personality and makes the game feel more cinematic in its own way.
I dunno, the issue is that by nature, they're few and far between due to the cart limitations. In the end, the sprite puppet show ends up making more sense and the sprites in this can't handle that
>hey're few and far between due to the cart limitations
I didn't feel that way at all. In fact it felt like the game took every opportunity to just throw them at me. Even minor stuff that's not super important to the plot like meeting a new character for the first time and having a small conversation (like pic related) gets a full on cut-scene. The game feels downright lavish with them IMO, they come for just about every moment that calls for them or that enhances the scene.
As I said what I really like about is how much it serves to flesh out the characters in a way that other rpg's of the time just can't. Like look at pic related. Lunes smug frickin' face, Chaz's comical indignance...other games of the time wouldn't be able to convey these kinds of interactions without really hammering it in with over the top dialogue.
Who’s that delicious brown woman?
that's a dragon
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Would.
Since no one has answered yet, it's the default look for a female human hunter. It's not an actual character.
Thank you anon
Mods don't give a frick, anons don't give a frick. /vr/ on its way to become Ganker 2.0
dumb ass can't read
doesnt matter. this still enables off topic discussions
people been stealth posting in handheld general about psp games for awhile now
so it really is just Ganker at this point
your tears are delicious thanks for bumping the thread!
The game in OP isn’t a real phantasy star or a real game
Good luck getting Ganker to talk about anything as old as the PSP
PSP does indeed get threads on Ganker.
no it doesnt, its just people seething about "vitrannies"
ESPECIALLY when op is using words like
>antiquated
you fricking know it's a Ganker bait at its finest
>consoles made on 2001
>games released for said consoles until 2007
who is the one that can't read
>nintendo DS release 2006
so yes not retro.
The DS came out in 2004 moron.
not really retrogame or retro console homosexual.
no, it's shallow single player MMO trash that gets repetitive and boring fast
>single player MMO trash
Holy cope
>Handheld offline MMO
Muh fricking dick, where to sign up?
Play the English translations of Generation 1 and 2.
They're full remakes of the original two games and hold up pretty well.
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/1755/
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/2505/
Oh shit, I never knew translations were out for the PS2 remakes
Thanks for the links anon
They need make a new one and bundle the three together
Playing 0 with Ganker back in 2009 was such a cozy time
Zero is a really underrated Phantasy Star title, and is a good followup to PSO.
Its a shame that it's trapped on the DS and all the online is dead anymore
Played with Ganker back then too, shit was a lot of fun
>Brown girl
Sexooooo
Zero is also the only PS game I've ever played and I loved it. Even as a single player game it's still a top notch dungeon crawler, and with it being on DS it basically comes off as "what if PS Online was on Saturn" aesthetically.
Haven't played the classic JRPGs but I did try PSO recently and cannot recommend it.
>15 hours in
Lack of camera control stopped bothering me
>30 hours in
I finally start getting some enjoyment out of the game
>40+ hours in
Lost motivation to continue. Did most of the quests, all that's left is grinding rares to ultimate and dealing with a shitty battle system.
t. PSU, PSP2, PSO2 enjoyer
I don't see what's so bad if you got 40 hours of entertainment out of it, specially if that was offline
Kept waiting for it to get good which it never really did. When it actually started to get interesting with rares and tech availability, you run out of new quest content.
The combat system itself is like pulling teeth trying to work with it.
I think you misunderstood why people praise PSO. It's not because PSO is some amazing masterpiece, it's because it's addictive. I say this as someone who had to stop playing the game long ago because it really was that addictive.
Well yeah, they're all designed that way but PSO's combat and quest content are abysmal compared to the later entries.
No they aren't. PS1-4 are traditional RPGs. PSO is a loot grinder game in the same vein as Diablo 2 and Borderlands. Those games are all about keeping you playing in search for the next big item drop. There were weapons in PSO that had a drop from enemies of 1 in 32,000 and the enemy would appear twice in an entire run of the level. PSO was sinister.
I was referring to the online games, anon.
>Those games are all about keeping you playing in search for the next big item drop.
Yes. And PSO sucks for that because calling its combat system jank is an understatement and the amount of actual content is slim, so you only have unique content for about 30-40 hours and then you run the same handful of quests for hundreds of hours with shit combat.
4 is one of the best jarpigs of the 16bit era, so if nothing else play that one. its great
the first one is an interesting oddity too
one of the first jarpigs ever, and its out there trying things that STILL arent common in the genre
I like the original because it's a simple jrpg with a 3D DUNGEONS gimmick
I also like phantasy star online (on gamecube) because it's 3d diablo with a great sci fi aesthetic
Purists might pooh pooh this but the M2 version of PS1 is probably the best way to play the game. Auto-maps in the dungeons, in game equipment and spell lists, 2x walking speed, 2x experience and money, optional FM audio....plus the vanilla game if you prefer that.
The PS2 remake of 1 is good, the remake of 2 is divisive but the game runs a LOT faster, 3 is trash, 4 holds up on its own merits.
I should add that the original game was one of its kind that did (animated!) motion through 3d dungeons on an 8-bit platform, while the PS2 remake is juat another game.
On a tangentially related note, I finished whatever of PSU and portable games I could find (and watched the missing story missions on youtube). Now I kind of understand while some player dislike Ethan (it's because after you did most of the job fighting Illuminus he pops back into the plot and suddenly the final cutscene is all about him, oh and also everyone wants to frick him, including robots), but on the bright side, there are several endings to the last chapter and other endings have less Ethan and you even get to frick his e-girl sister.
Hard mode: try convincing a casual that rappies are not an attempt to plagiarize chocobo.
Rappies don’t look like chocobos in the real Phantasy Star games.
Anyway, Square ripped off the chocobos from Nausicaa like they ripped off airships and crystals from Laputa.
if you even have to ask if the games are "too old to be worth playing" then don't bother.
Goodnight anons.
Remake 4
I've only played 1 and 2. Three always interested me with it's generational gimmick but I feel I've already played a better realised version of that in Fire Emblem Awakening, and I hear 4 is the best one but haven't been bothered yet to play it.
If you want a good time while playing 1, pick up the Sega Ages version on Switch, nice quality of life changes and a touch easier, I think it's my preferred way to play it these days.
everything went dowhill after the first entry
The original on master system is probably not worth your time.
I enjoyed it
one of the things I like about it is how dialogue is minimal and how the fact you can't select targets in combat makes it play a bit quicker (though every monster dropping a chest is a bit much)