It's a meaningless condition when all conditions applied. Stealing requires the deprivation of a physical object from its owner. Digital piracy, or as I've recently taken to calling it, unauthorized digital distribution of copyrighted materials, does not require a physical object. The copyright holders aren't missing a unit that they can't sell elsewhere because of your downloading it.
no definition of "stealing" states that it has to be physical. stop trying to argue semantics with other job-less dregs if you're not going to learn them first.
Imagine i "steal" your wallet that was in your pocket and when you check your pocket you see that it's still there. I just made a copy and did not actually steal it
You obviously have zero idea what coin clipping was
11 months ago
Anonymous
israelite coin clippers were stealing, moron.
>take coins >clip edges >return coins >original owner has same legal tender >coin clipper has 'copied' tender in addition
The basic premise is the same you pedantic fricktards.
You havent taken anything from them, you have merely procured an infinitely replicable copy of it.
If piracy is stealing to you, so is buying used games, so is buying a game where the funds cant reach the original company, so is paying for old ass games with no company to actually take payment beyond whomever hosts the file.
You moralgays dont even understand piracy you just suck the corpowiener slurping away. Most piracy isnt even from a monetary issue, its from a service issue.
You have taken something from them. You've taken an experience and didn't pay for it.
If 100% of every game was pirated, the industry would collapse. Buying used games is not as bad because someone had to buy the game new first. Piracy completely circumvents that.
>the industry would collapse.
But that's a good thing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So we agree piracy is not without effect, whether one of us considers it harmful or beneficial?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Unfortunately there's no evidence that piracy has any effect.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>At its current level, piracy is harmless.
>Hey everybody, piracy is harmless! We should all pirate!
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Don't threaten me with a good time.
11 months ago
Anonymous
if only that was a possibility in reality
oh how amazing that would be
alas it's just a imaginary scenario that will never actually happen
11 months ago
Anonymous
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
About frickin time. We need this second game market crash.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed
11 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe if they stopped releasing trash with a $70 price tag I'd pay them for their work
11 months ago
Anonymous
unironically wish 99% of people working in the videogame industry lose their jobs, savings and die of starvation on the streets
11 months ago
Anonymous
>said increasingly nervous man for the 67th time
if game industry survived the 2000's where the warez scene was at it's peak, it's be fine
if anything, gaming industry will implode and ve vill have ze great reset at last
11 months ago
Anonymous
I know you're just farming yous but people are paying more than ever and gaming is worse than ever
11 months ago
Anonymous
>people are paying more than ever
No.
Our money is much more worthless than ever before.
Statistically, consumer isn't paying more, it's the devs and publishers that waste so much money on marketing and shit
11 months ago
Anonymous
>>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
the games' industry that got me into playing games collapsed years ago and was replaced with MTX skinnerboxes for normalgay invaders. the incumbent games industry collapsing and rendering ALL current devs unemployed and penniless would be the best news to come out of that sphere imaginable. truly, there could be no greater or more positive outcome.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Game industry has only been increasing in size you moronic subhuman monkey. It was making more money than music and cinema combined since 2012. have a nice day, unironically, rid this planet of the pestilence that is your existence.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
>if someone bought one disk and then this disk was chain resold so a million people play it in the end it's different from those people just pirating the game
piracy is not bad, just as renting and buying used
if devs made a shitty game people don't want to buy full price right away or at all it's their own fault
there's no "missed sale", poorgays will never buy it, if someone bought a game, played through entirety of it and then didn't even think about getting it or other games in series then it was a shit game which is again dev issue and people pirating shit to see if it's even worth bothering with is a common thing
there are literal sites selling no drm stuff and they have zero problems operating
copyright is a scam and the laws should only defend the creator and not let publisher israelites do whatever
>You havent taken anything from them, you have merely procured an infinitely replicable copy of it
That's still taking something without permission which is h he definition of stealing.
Only a israelite would say otherwise
>Only a israelite would say otherwise
The king of the israelites disagrees with you
11 months ago
Anonymous
*tips fedora*
11 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus didn't wear a fedora.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Jesus literally asked for the fish and bread first. He didn't simply take them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Buy game >Distribute copy of game you paid for
I don't see how this is different.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>pirates >buying games >being given games
Do you even know what piracy is?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I do exactly this. I buy games them distribute them to my friends. What's the problem?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You keep saying "take" which would imply they lost something. They aren't losing anything when you make a copy of it, unless you think downloading and re-downloading games you've already bought is 'taking' them.
turkish lawyer here, lemme give you a funny anecdote >back in 2000s, kurdish lads back in east attach hooks to government power lines to tap into electricty >government sues them for stealing as there aren't any better crimes that fit the bill >article for theft (to this day) explicitly states being in possession of something without its rightful owner's knowledge or intent >kurdish lads walk away scot free >new laws are then introduced that distinguish theft from crimes like this, as well as software piracy
judging by how turkish penal law is based on french and swiss law, I'd be surprised if thievery does not explicitly state pshyical possession of items in those jurisdictions as well. but then again nowadays every country that at least try to be a real one have laws specifically against piracy so the theft question is nothing but a meme at this point
But when you're stealing electricity you're actively decreasing the total power that is available for use for everyone else, so it's still not the same.
If you could pirate electricity, you'd have solved all of the world's problems by having infinite power.
technically speaking, you are not "stealing" electricity, you are generating a burden on the party that pays for it
also even if you could "steal" electricity, how would it be different from "pirating" it?
lack of consent surely makes both acts (tapping into power lines and using a product, product being a game, without a license, license being 70$+tip) illegal, but its not stealing, and severity of the crime can thus be decided freely.
if you ask me, and I see no reason why you should, I think software piracy should not be a crime if you are not distributing it. its like drugs imo.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>how would it be different from "pirating" it
Nobody is getting hurt when I pirate because I was not going to buy it anyways.
This is what anti piracy FOMO gays just can't understand. They think people would just go buy the game if piracy was unavailable.
I already buy all the games I want to buy in the first place.
11 months ago
Anonymous
you surely understand laws and regulations are there not to satisfy morality of one individual but to protect the common good, right?
common good here is allowing people to reap the rewards of their hardwork and bolster software development industry by protecting their sources of revenue, whether you agree or not.
now, things have changed and some companies are like behemoths at this point with some of their products dictating how professions operate (photoshop, MS Office) but these laws dont care about your moral compass, they are there to ensure these companies can keep people employed
sadly, your morals dont entitle you to pick what software you want to use for free, same as how you are not allowed to shoot a man dead if they say things that dont align with your world view
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody is getting hurt when I pirate because I was not going to buy it anyways.
So you don't get to have it, you entitled piece of shit. If it's not worth your money why is it worth your time?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because I can.
Deal with it, homosexual.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Black person logic
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sure all thsoe porn starts you fapped to for free deserved your money as well.
It actually does when it comes to consumer protection laws. There is a difference between physical goods and digital goods, products and services and different laws protect them. Copyright infringement is not theft, you stupid shill.
Piracy should be limited to what are essentially competitors. In China, the piracy scene ruined their legitimate game industry. Why develop a game when whomever can just copy it and sell it on their platform for peanuts? Because of Chinese and South Korean pirates, the gaming industry is now switching to live service games where you could pirate it, but the original servers are always being updated, and they subsist on rich narcissists.
>Why develop a game when whomever can just copy it and sell it on their platform for peanuts?
This is a developer problem, not the user problem.
You don't see random people pirating a game, then trying to sell it as their own. That's bugman mentality and they do that with literally everything. That's why piracy isn't even punishable, unless you're distributing or trying to make money off of it. If you do it for personal use only, nobody can do shit.
What you're describing here is not a piracy issue, but a copyright issue. As much as copyright laws are hated nowadays for lasting way too long and being overreaching, they were originally made to avoid this exact issue of a bad actor copying a good product for his own profit, whether physical or digital
This is a common misconception.
Stealing is defined as taking someone's property without permission.
Piracy is a specific kind of stealing as is theft where that is defined as permanently taking a physical object.
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no definition of "stealing" states that it has to be physical. stop trying to argue semantics with other job-less dregs if you're not going to learn them first.
Id be fine with taxes as long as i know where MY money is going. No, i mean, i can see MY MONEY and the Dept it's going to AND read the documents for the projects it's being used for ANNNNND call them directly to see the work being done.
Because the taxes are my money being used for roads n shit. Def not for other shit.
technically you don't need to pay taxes if you overthrow the government. Alternatively, convert your hobby into a legally recognized business that makes no profit and you can write off all your expenses.
so in the 17th century when a pirate ship had a friendly banter with some english trade vessel they just copied their cargo and uploaded it to their ship. Maybe seeded some maidens in the process?
But when you're stealing electricity you're actively decreasing the total power that is available for use for everyone else, so it's still not the same.
If you could pirate electricity, you'd have solved all of the world's problems by having infinite power.
>But when you're stealing electricity you're actively decreasing the total power that is available for use for everyone else, so it's still not the same.
If I told you that isn't even how power works, would you believe me? That power is perturbed through the line if you use it or not.
>That power is perturbed through the line if you use it or not.
You can't really believe that using more power doesn't draw out an electricity's network.
Tere's a reason why there can be blackout during the dead.
But go ahead, steal all the electricity until we get power failures in hospitals, that'll be great.
>You can't really believe that using more power doesn't draw out an electricity's network.
If you actually believe anything that is burned, and heat "energy" or any smoke is traveling through a solid copper line then you are the dumbest person on the planet.
It's an electric archform that is perturbed by spinning magnets created by several synchronized generators which if I had to explained "why they had to be synchronized across hundreds of miles to induce said waveform" it would make any wave particle dualists head flip upside down.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't know about kettles spinning wheels
Ngmi
11 months ago
Anonymous
>power loss over distance amounts to the same loses as connecting something in between and drawing power
Ok moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>power loss over distance
Hence the syncronized generators that are contradictory to whatever dualist made up "speed of light/electricity".
It's instantaneous which is why it has to be synchronized in the first place lol.
>amounts to the same loses as connecting something in between and drawing power
"drawing power" is just feeding off the hertzian archform already passing through your house. Your "bill" is the quantified resistance you caused, which is why you get "less of a bill" with you "off grid" (connected to the fricking grid) solar system).
Had you not used that power....it goes to fricking ground. It gets WASTED. There is no "capacitor" to steal from.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Power plants adjust their "electrical pumps" to deliver a specific amount based on their calculations and predicted usage.
When you're adding resistance to the lines, you need to pump harder, which burns more energy.
The Left is about social class fights and against governments/organs of national power.
Maybe you should open some books instead of building your knowledge on /misc/.
Is that why they're so intent on using the government as a cudgel to force small businesses to make Trans rights cakes and drag queens in kindergarten classrooms?
>Trans rights cakes and drag queens in kindergarten classrooms
Yeah, just go leave and rent free.
The real world and actual facts aren't for you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
so the bakery didnt get sued and slandered on national television for not making the gay cake?
11 months ago
Anonymous
They also didn't try and ruin a high school boy's life for wearing a red hat and smiling
Or try and make a mass shooter a victim because they were a troon
Or try to canonized a violent, drug addicted pedophile rioters as a saint
And even if they did who cares stop talking about it look at all these things OTHER SIDE may or may not have done
11 months ago
Anonymous
Check the most recent developments - rightwing morons made it all up.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He's talking about a real case that happened years ago in Colorado
The ruling on the fake case was still absolutely based tho
>nazis
Ah, yes, the famous party in favor of massive industrialization/big companies and 100% authoritarian.
But they have "social" in the name so it must be Left, amirite?
11 months ago
Anonymous
sorry m8 I didn't realize you were baiting, go on I think you still have the other anon. cheers
In your dreams maybe, lefties in every single country in the world follow the same bullshit ordered by globohomo, your movement has been completelt coopted
>The Left is about social class fights and against governments/organs of national power.
you wot m8? governments and organs of national power literally have no greater allies amongst the populace.
The left is about fighting against ordinary people and lower class, for the lefts owners and masters in the richgay class that are shareholders of corporations and in the governments.
Literally tools and pawns of the richest billionaires in a full spectrum war against poor and lower class people and the destroyers of middle class.
noooo that's not real leftism you have to read about some irrelevant marxists
11 months ago
Anonymous
Your liberals aren't left
11 months ago
Anonymous
communists do not have a monopoly on the left and are also politically irrelevant everywhere
11 months ago
Anonymous
americans don't have a monopoly on definitions
liberals aren't left
11 months ago
Anonymous
Where do you think the left/right distinction originated from? Answer very carefully anon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
europe
11 months ago
Anonymous
Revolutionary France, you knuckle-dragger. If you'd seriously suggest that the ancient definition of "liberal" as the opposition to monarchist reactionaries is the same as today's liberal ideology, and that it places them on the "left", you're an imbecile.
11 months ago
Anonymous
we've gone from >not real leftists
to >not real liberals
lamo
11 months ago
Anonymous
The democrats were Black person-hating slavery-supporters in the 1800s, now Republicans are the ones flying the Confederate battle banner. There has not been an inversion but a clear shift in the last 200 years, anon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I never said anything about democrats vs republicans. Both are liberal parties. America's foundation is bourgeois liberalism, it doesn't have monarchy, nobility or reaction.
11 months ago
Anonymous
We're on the same page there, anon.
homosexual animal you are on Ganker and you think you can spot such bullshit. When occupy wall street showed above 0% threat to the wall street bankster israelites like the shareholders of JP Morgan it was filled to the brim with Black folk, dykes and homosexuals and ruined from within.
Its since been the pattern to ruin anything that poses any level of threat to them.
Leviticus 20 13
I agree with you, anon, but you seem to think corporations are the source of it; they just co-opted it to defang any meningful left-wing movements and get ahead.
The civil war was never about freeing the Black folk anyway, it was all geopolitics in the end. It was a moralist smokescreen and even back then it was not really effective in drumming up public support because most didn't give enough of a shit about them other than "Well maybe we should send them where they came from when we industrialize properly".
Slavery was viewed as a deeply moral problem for/by the religious USA, anon. The suggestion that it wasn't about freeing slaves is a despicable lie.
11 months ago
Anonymous
slavery is irrelevant to the civil war which is best analysed as a materialistic conflict between finance capital and aristocracy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The civil war was never about freeing the Black folk anyway, it was all geopolitics in the end. It was a moralist smokescreen and even back then it was not really effective in drumming up public support because most didn't give enough of a shit about them other than "Well maybe we should send them where they came from when we industrialize properly".
11 months ago
Anonymous
Frick the north and frick the south, but the draft rioters did nothing wrong
11 months ago
Anonymous
Watch out, he's now gonna start explaining to your how monarchy is totally good and how he'd love to be an indentured servant.
homosexual corporate shareholders and government officials have free reign to do whatever they want because anyone that voices any opposition is attacked by millions of lefty lunatics to be "canceled" or straight up murdered by their Black folk and murderers in the street.
Any movement or organization is subverted with cancerous shit like racial and gender homosexualry and destroyed from within.
If you were in USSR Stalin would purge all of you homosexuals into gulags or exile or early graves without hesitation.
Unironically based, Stalin knew exactly the value of such people, which is why homosexual "intellectuals" were the first ones he shot.
You think the left wing is the main supporter of bank deregulation, reduced corporate tax etc because these corporations insert themselves into social movements? I know the Democratic Party is somehow "left" in the degenerate political dichotomy of America, but come on.
11 months ago
Anonymous
homosexual corporate shareholders and government officials have free reign to do whatever they want because anyone that voices any opposition is attacked by millions of lefty lunatics to be "canceled" or straight up murdered by their Black folk and murderers in the street.
Any movement or organization is subverted with cancerous shit like racial and gender homosexualry and destroyed from within.
If you were in USSR Stalin would purge all of you homosexuals into gulags or exile or early graves without hesitation.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Banking deregulation and lowered corporate tax happen because social justice warriors on Twitter call you a racist terf when you suggest Goldman-Sachs and Walmart should behave better and pay more taxes?
11 months ago
Anonymous
homosexual animal you are on Ganker and you think you can spot such bullshit. When occupy wall street showed above 0% threat to the wall street bankster israelites like the shareholders of JP Morgan it was filled to the brim with Black folk, dykes and homosexuals and ruined from within.
Its since been the pattern to ruin anything that poses any level of threat to them.
The left is about fighting against ordinary people and lower class, for the lefts owners and masters in the richgay class that are shareholders of corporations and in the governments.
Literally tools and pawns of the richest billionaires in a full spectrum war against poor and lower class people and the destroyers of middle class.
Obviously they are, since every leftists is absolutely fine with megacorp takovers and totalitarian states as long as they push troony agenda. Main enemy of leftists are small businesses that have an option to not pander to troony agenda(which are also enemies of megacorps and state, because they give you a choice)
You guys really need to stop thinking this is a left vs right issue and realize it's a wealthy and powerful vs the working class issue and it always has been. Politicians on both sides will suck that Hollywood/music label dick for the bribe money (excuse me "lobbyist benefits") before they give a shit about the truth.
The effects varied across different types of media - IIRC the study showed that movies suffered the most from piracy, but video games had positive interactions between piracy rates and sales while music/books were mostly unaffected.
>You haven't downloaded any files to your computer
Do you mind telling me by what witchery you can watch a video on the internet without that file being on your computer?
weird how i dont have terabytes of videos stored on my computer from all the nights i leave youtube running on auto play then.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, your temp(orary) files get deleted when you're done.
Go to youtube, let a video end it's loading, cut your internet.
Now, you can watch a video on internet with no internet. Why is that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
because it already loaded. I didnt download aka save anything. As soon as i close the tab its gone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you hadn't saved it, anon, you wouldn't be able to watch it.
You are so tech illiterate it's impossible to explain this to you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If i saved it, it would be on my computer after i closed my browser.
11 months ago
Anonymous
it do get saved, if you quit the video page after it's fully loaded, going back to it will load instantly.
Why is that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it will load instantly
not if your internet is turned off.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>because it already loaded
What do you think "loaded" means?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You should take a CS class some time kid. Of course you download the video you are watching, it just gets deleted instantly.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Clear your cache and temporary data. It's full of encrypted video files that you can't read. But you did download them, otherwise the video wouldn't have played on your pc.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>streaming isn't downloading
What a colossal fricking tard.
>he thinks he doesn't actually download videos from youtube each time he watched them
Just because the files get deleted instantly doesn't mean i haven't downloaded it.
I can cut my internet right now, and my music would still play because it finished (down)loading.
>moronic zoomers actually have no idea how computers work
please stay moronic, i don't want any competition in my job finding, there are enough homosexual morons there already
Anon, unless you're just fishing for (You)s: the whole reason videos buffer in the first place is because your computer is downloading them as you're watching them and the download speed was too slow so the video would catch up to it.
I decided to play far cry 3 a bit, so naturally I launched uplay and downloaded it since I actually own the game. But then it wouldn't launch at all so I pirated it and it worked just fine. Shit launchers make it a worse experience than not buying the games, so frick em.
Who cares, I don't pirate but that's out of sheer laziness. Pirate away, companies suck.
It's not like there's anything wrong with actually stealing from businesses either.
It's not called piracy. Piracy is a word coined by industry shills to badmouth file-sharing. Use the correct terminology, otherwise you will be treated as industry plant and mocked.
If you had half a brain you would realize that a nuclear attack on the country with the second most nukes would destroy the planet. Both countries could easily destroy the planet on their own.
splendid idea
instead of other country nuking US we just need to detonate all nukes that are already in the united states
11 months ago
Anonymous
cant detonate something that doesn't exist kek
11 months ago
Anonymous
Go ahead and spout your fantasies homosexual. Your government wont do shit because the US would crush them like a bug, and you know it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>US would crush them like a bug
you're thinking israelites will just self destruct out of nowhere? lmao >Go ahead and spout your fantasies homosexual
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Russia should nuke the US, the US would never respond because it would be out of nowhere.
Brilliant logic Vlad. We both know that won't happen though. Your Chinese overlords won't allow it. How far you people have fallen since the USSR baka.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>implies US is not ruled by israelites >beings up russia completely out of nowhere
mindbroken lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
>out of nowhere
did you even read the comment chain you're responding to? >muh israelite
is this the best argument you have?
11 months ago
Anonymous
you mean the the same chain I'm explicitly implied i'm from the US?
my bad from not expecting this kind of moronation from a literal goygolem israelite bootlicker Black person
kill all your family members and then yourself
11 months ago
Anonymous
>explicitly implied i'm from the US
You didn't imply shit psycho. You're just crying because I dismantled your rage baby argument. Now KYS or frick off to russia so you can die in ukraine.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Now KYS or frick off to russia so you can die in ukraine.
Based
11 months ago
Anonymous
you are not human or literally, actually mouth-drooling pants on head moronic
That's how normalhomosexuals think. They are incredibly callous and petty. They worship the beautiful and despise the ugly, the truth of arguments or morality doesn't matter to them. If someone with a pretty face told them he diddled kids but is very sorry, they'd act compassionate and tell him that he deserves redemption and therapy for his difficult situation. If someone ugly told them that, they'd condemn him without a second thought.
You literally own resources you loan. You can do whatever the original owner could do with it under responsibilities stated in contract. You loan a, say, table, you can have financial responsibility for breaking it, if stated in contract, but you won't go in jail for doing so.
He is correct, anon. An obligation to repay a loan does not mean you don't own the loaned asset. If you have collateral, this is liquidated upon failure to repay. Do you not know how loans work?
Just because you don't go to jail for breaking it doesn't mean you own it. Otherwise I own everything my friends own because they won't call the cops on me if I break it
How exactly you owning a thing differs from you loaning a thing? What can't you do with loaned thing that you can with owned one exactly?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Keep it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can keep it by extending loan contract or by simply not giving it back (and paying a fine if one is in loan contract)
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you're saying I can't keep it, I can extend my loan. Thanks for clarifying that I was right.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can read the second part you wished to ignore, but how extending a loan is not keeping it, exactly?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because you aren't keeping it. You're agreeing to borrow it for as long as you pay.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So difference between owning and borowing is only the form of payment then?
11 months ago
Anonymous
No. When you own something you don't have to pay for it anymore. And you can own things without payment of any kind.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>When you own something you don't have to pay for it anymore
You have to pay for maintainance, which is usually included in loan contract. Also I fail to see how time of payment or it's form has to do something with the subject >And you can own things without payment of any kind
You can borrow things without payment of any kind as well, I don't think I've ever paid my friends for a loan of some item
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You have to pay for maintainance
No you don't.
Are you done being wrong yet?
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you buy a flat you very well have to pay for it's maintenance, if you rent it, it is on landlord.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You don't have to. It's not a requirement of owning things. Once it belongs to you, you can do/not do anything you like with it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
How is it different from borrowing things then? Fixing borrowed things is not a requirement of loaning it either
If you can do your own maintenance, you don't need to pay anyone. >flat
lmao oh I see, I'm not talking to a real man
>If you can do your own maintenance, you don't need to pay anyone.
If you exclude price of instruments, parts, electricity and your own pay for services(which you couldve had if you did this for someone else)
11 months ago
Anonymous
>How is it different from borrowing things then?
Because it's yours and you own it, and never have to give it back. How is this difficult for you?
And why do you keep bringing up maintenance?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Because it's yours and you own it
You own things you borrow as well >and never have to give it back
You can extend loan for 100 years and never have to give back loaned thing either, so what's the difference. >And why do you keep bringing up maintenance
I am just trying to figure out why people think that you don't own things you loan. For the duration of the loan you have the very same rights for it as someone who bought it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You own things you borrow as well
You literally don't. Didn't read the rest of the post because you were so wrong in your first point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Whats the difference then? Form and time of payment?
11 months ago
Anonymous
The difference is owning the object VS not owning the object.
If I let you use my ball, it's not yours, it's mine. Even if you rent the ball from me, I can ask for it back. It's mine. You don't own the ball, I'm letting you use it in exchange for money.
How is this difficult for you?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>If I let you use my ball, it's not yours, it's mine
But I use it and you dont. And if we're talking actual loan contracts, you can't make me stop using it until the contract ends. >Even if you rent the ball from me, I can ask for it back.
And I can refuse to give it back till the end of the loan. >It's mine
But you don't use it and I do >You don't own the ball, I'm letting you use it in exchange for money
And I will keep using it, just like I would use the one I bought from the store.
So what's the difference.
11 months ago
Anonymous
None of those things mean you own it. I can keep my ball forever, you have to pay me $69 a month forever to use it. That's the difference.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So the only difference is time and form of payment then
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, because you can own things without paying. The difference is literally ownership Vs not-ownership.
What exactly is it you are struggling with here? I'm sick of talking to you and want this to end.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No, because you can own things without paying.
You mean cyclical payments? You need to pay upfront then, it is not the question of rights, but the form and time of payment. >The difference is literally ownership Vs not-ownership.
So what's the difference between them
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Being this moronic.
I'm done. Look up what the words you use mean in the dictionary, that's what you're really arguing with.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession
11 months ago
Anonymous
You didn't make a single point in the entire thread lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you can do your own maintenance, you don't need to pay anyone. >flat
lmao oh I see, I'm not talking to a real man
>Otherwise I own everything my friends own because they won't call the cops on me if I break it
Yes you do. Gubmint destroys everything and nobody would call the cops on them because they won't self incriminate and remove their own power.
it can make up money but it cannot randomly make up money and have to follow the agreements with other banks making up money too. When bank sucks at agreements and making up money it shits itself and dies
no bank actually owns enough physical tokens of money it made up and when the time to give them up comes up a colossal shitfest and scamming ensues
>it can't make up money unless in agreement with other banks
What does that even mean? Are you trying to say they can borrow money from each other? That's not making up money my friend.
>what you pay for is not the games, but a limited time license
No one can take my physical copy from me or I call police. Physical is full ownership and that's why they want to kill it. Copyright laws are crime against humanity.
[...] >You think bank's money is just made up?
It's is print fake money and call it debt.
Banks don't print money. Maybe your thinking of the federal reserve? Either way, you're an idiot.
>What does that even mean?
that they can't just say "i have a billion dollars more now get fricked nerds" and have to do the needful so everyone else agrees they do have a billion dollars more
Look up fractional reserve banking
It's all made up and those israelites were either too stupid or just didn't care to learn their lesson from the great depression, only now the Federal Reserve bails them out the moment it looks like there's trouble
Did you look up fractional reserve banking? Cuz it isn't making up money fractional reserve, as the name suggests, just means the banks don't need to keep 100% of every deposit on hand. They are allowed to loan out deposits. As I said before, banks don't make up money and you're an idiot still for thinking they do.
how do you think banks make their baseline income? from interest rates
if you think of money as I.O.U notes for bartering, then all the money from loans or mortgages are made out of thin air because it's made without any labor or goods provided
I was the guy who said that banks loan money out of thin air and it's true
they either lend money that isn't theirs, because they have to keep only 10-15% of what they have in their customer's accounts, and can freely operate with the rest, but it's more like I'm borrwing from Tom, Dick and Harry by proxy, or they lend money thay made from interest, and that is money made out of thin air since it's not backed by anything
but my point from the start was that it's a shitty food-tier analogy to make
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lending out other people's money and making money from interest isn't money out of thin air. Out of thin air means they just add a few zeroes on their records without that money coming from anywhere. Using other people's money is scummy, but it's not just making shit up.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Anon1 has 300,000 in 4Bank >4Bank decides to give Anon2 a loan of 200,000 >4Bank uses 200,000 of Anon1’s money to give to Anon2 >Anon1 decides he wants his money back >4Bank gives Anon1 100,000 money and 200,000 in IOUs that count the same as real money >Anon1 has 300,000 money and Anon2 has 200,000 money
4Bank has created 200,000 money out thin air in the form of IOUs. This is a greatly oversimplification of how this works, but I hope you get the idea.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Stop spoonfeeding fractional reserve banking to lazy fricks
It literally is just made up money. Every paper bill is in fact actually just an IOU by banks. It’s called fiat money if you want to be specific
What did you think would happen when the bank loaned out all the money you gave them and you wanted to take that money out?
The bank fails, which does happen.
We aren't arguing what the dollar means or how the federal reserve works. People were arguing that banks just add zeroes to their bottom line which never happens.
Not in current year. The government won't let them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>We don't have money for our clients because we are idiots...can we have some Mr. Government? >Yes, here you go. But we will seize all your assets, close you down and distribute them to other banks.
While shitty, the banks aren't making up money, once again. It's coming from the government.
A bank can fail when everyone wants their money at the same time
A bank cannot fail when percentages of their account holders want their money at different times.
The bank will do its best to keep you and everyone from accessing their money simultaneously. They *can* generate money out of thin air, this is Fractional Reserve Banking, but it doesn't happen instantly
Our money is fake and the system is designed to feed itself and the upper class while leaving behind the waste products (middle class). The lower class is not productive enough to consume, so they get carried along until they become valuable enough to eat
>A bank can fail when everyone wants their money at the same time
And there's probably safeguards in place to prevent this. Yes, your money is "guaranteed" up to 250k by FDIC, but the only ones really in danger are tiny local/regional banks, which would then probably just close their doors early and sell to a Wells Fargo or BOA
1. piracy insn't stealing, regardless of anything else
2. what you pay for is not the games, but a limited time license to be able to play it, and yes you do own that
3. piracy isn't giving you a licence to play the game, but a permanent access to the game files, so even if it was stealing(it's not), it's not stealing the product(the limited time license) you'd be paying for.
>what you pay for is not the games, but a limited time license
No one can take my physical copy from me or I call police. Physical is full ownership and that's why they want to kill it. Copyright laws are crime against humanity.
You think bank's money is just made up? How would a bank fail then if it can just make up numbers?
Education and the internet has failed us.
>You think bank's money is just made up?
It's is print fake money and call it debt.
>disingenuous homosexuals trying to justify stealing cause they are scared little pussies
it is stealing and I don't give a frick if it hurts game developers. should have picked a more secure profession losers
>piracy is stealing.
It isn't. It's copyright infringement. It is covered under a completely different set of laws and regulations. Theft is subject to other laws and regulations. Learn your own fricking laws before you make idiotic posts like this one.
NTA but Jesus asks for the fish and then distributes equal portions to the people. Essentially this is a free transaction. He didn't copy it or steal it.
Pirates don't ask for permission not do they distribute things to others, they just take it.
Pirates distribute shit all the time dumbass, ive got the Etrian Odyssey Remasters for free all because some anon made sure to upload the denuvoless versions uploaded to steam on accident when the game launched
>ask for permission
From whom? his own self? >nooo he's asking it from god the father, jesus is god the son. They're not the same but there is only one god and jesus is god.
Asking perfimission from himself but he isn't him schrodinger's god to do as he please. Christisraelites are lower iq than Black folk.
>From whom? his own self?
What? He asked his disciples for their food and they gave him 5 loaves of bread and two fish, you moron.
Fricking hell, you have to be some kind of Christian if you're this ignorant.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>he prayed to his disciples
moron his prayer was to the father not to the disciples
none of the npc disciples have any guts to say no
judas was the only person with actual soul the rest were sheep
11 months ago
Anonymous
>prayed to his disciples
What the frick are you talking about? Do you even know the story? The bread and fish were the provisions he and his disciples had, he didn't pray to god either.
11 months ago
Anonymous
My guy, are you, by any chance, an actual moron?
What the frick are you even trying to argue? >Jesus told the crowd to sit down on the ground. Then he took the seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn gave to the people. They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward, the disciples picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were leftover. The number of those who ate was four thousand men, besides women and children.
The story is literally that he magically multiplied the bread and the fish so much that he managed to feed several thousands of people and even have more shit leftover than what he started with, it's not very complicated at all, I dunno what kinda frickwit you have to be to misconstrue anything about it.
Yes. He (or whoever was in charge for provisions) bought them, then "torrented" to a large group of people. Everyone got their share of fish and bread for free.
Digg didn't accidentally commit suicide until the 10's, no one here cared about reddit until then.
Hell, no one really cared until the rise of SRS, at which point Ganker sounded the alarm that things were going in the wrong direction over there. Unfortunately, history has proven us 100% correct.
>implying
No, because linebreaking with a single line has nothing to do with the buzzword you spew in a failed attempt to fit in.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>linebreaking with a single line
You just defined reddit spacing, you faker
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, tourist-kun. Reddït spacing is not a single line.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ok, I'll bite. If it's not the commonly accepted definition, what is it?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's linebreak but it's not a single linebreak
Geee, I fricking wonder what it could be. Stop being a DOUBLE Black person already.
Tourists, like you, spewing the wrong interpretation in a failed attempt to fit in doesn't make it "the commonly accepted definition". It only lets newbies like you out yourself, as the tourists you are.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You really pretending that people only scream 'reddit spacing!!1!' when it's a
double line break
like this?
Cause that hasn't been my experience in the half decade since people started whining about it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
wouldn't that be a triple line break
11 months ago
Anonymous
No one cries about reddit spacing if you just
hit the return key once
11 months ago
Anonymous
not part of the greater argument but i think the 'reddit spacing' distinction just became a natural filtering mechanism to identify stealth redditors (and correctly dismiss their opinions) as they became more common here. it's not that nobody ever double line broke here, it's that, at least initially, EVERY redditor used the double line break (Along With Improper Capitalization And Starting Sentences With Prepositions). same thing with expressions like "yikes" or "umm" or "problematic". it's like that old saying with pedophiles and moustaches or whatever.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I agree with all that, but posts with readable formatting is often dismissed as 'reddit spacing'. So it's useful to point out that's how many people on Ganker typed long before reddit was around, much less before it became the cancer it is now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That is indeed the actual leddit spacing. It became a thing due to leddit being a shit site that (used to?) require you to hit Enter twice to make a single linebreak. leddit tourists would then reflexively do the same here, but get a double linebreak instead of the intended single.
>experience
Congrats, you're not the only tourist trying to fit in.
Now quit spewing jargon you don't understand.
Piracy was never about stealing an object, it's about not paying people for their work on lines of code that you can use to give yourself some sort of experience/tool to use.
People who think piracy is harmless unlike stealing are dumb. Maybe it is harmless at its current level, but what would happen if it was more widespread? What if everyone on Earth pirated every game...what would happen? Piracy isn't harmless at that level and should therefore be curtailed as much as possible. It has a real effect.
You are stupid >What if everyone on Earth pirated every game...what would happen?
Game developers are already addressing this, have you never heard of GaaS before? There's a reason why they every large software company is jumping on the SaaS train.
>what if an imaginary impossible scenario were to happen
Nice argument.
What if everyone just agreed to stop being buttholes and there was world peace?
>it's about not paying people for their work on
Employees are paid monthly (usually) wages for their work by the company, whether you personally pay for the product or not makes zero difference. >What if everyone on Earth pirated every game...what would happen?
I don't know, what would happen if a meteorite struck your house tomorrow? What if a nuclear war breaks out?
>it's about not paying people for their work on lines of code
Factually incorrect. The people that coded the game had already been paid by the developer. Their work has been completed before the game is released and they had been compensated. They do not see a cent from the game's sales. Only the publisher or the company they are employed at gets that money and the people working will not be paid until they start to work on a different project .You have no idea about anything you stupid monkey.
Duh, they have to pay an arm and a leg for their pills and surgeries.
Piracy is their only option but they like moral grandstanding do they say it isn't stealing even though by definition it is.
this was commonly done by normal people who rented from blockbuster and is why they went out of business. if there's no consequence for keeping what was rented it will never be given back.
>this was commonly done by normal people who rented from blockbuster and is why they went out of business
That's not why, the Internet being far more convenient in every way and refusing to adapt killed it.
Things they don't get back are written off.
>no playable demo >no disc >no box >no printed manual >probably unfinished, needs patching >DLC = cut content >still full price >have to download it anyway, on your own time and dime
Why wouldn't you download it for free when you're being treated like that?
What a fricking bootlicker.
No wonder the industry is so anti-customer when gobbling turkeys like you actually defend these awful practices.
You get what you deserve. In fact, it's your fault we have to deal with Steam when NOBODY wanted it.
GLARK GLARK GLARK
>pay for product with storage >pay for same product without storage >exactly the same fricking price >product with storage may even be fricking cheaper
uhhh moronman?
true, indeed. the bobby koticks of the world are a couple of real sneaky israelites, in this particular regard. they cry about piracy all the time but always fail to mention that people just pay for a license to use the game for a finite amount of time. eventually, the game's multiplayer servers will be shut down and sometimes the shut-down of various online services straight-up make the game completely unplayable. and when any of that stuff happens, then all they can say is "well, you got your money's worth, though, it was only 40 bucks and you've got years' worth of entertainnment out of it, so quit complaining!"
why shouldn't i pirate if i am not interested in the online features a game has to offer? >inb4 morally wrong
there far worse things in this world yet you keep quiet about them or just let them play out because it's easier being an annoying c**t on internet forums and cry about piracy than doing something to prevent actual morally wrong things happening in this world, so don't come at me with that "it's morally wrong" argument
I don’t get this current trend of being so sanctimonious about pirating stuff.
I pirated media back when I was a poorgay. Being underage/poor is a completely understandable reason.
But nobody just admits “cuz I’m poor” now. They have to polish it with some philosophical righteousness.
Is it just because it’s currently the cool thing to claim some victim points and heroically fight your “evil oppressor”?
Yeah because industry shills come on here to promote nonstop
Also discord Black folk love to come here to "fight the good fight" and only embarrass themselves
>why is not purchasing and using something different than not purchasing something but still using it anyway?
The real question is, how worthless is your time that you’re willing to invest it in playing a game that you think isn’t worth more than ‘free’?
When will corpos give me back my wasted time on this website? When will je*s give back their bodies and transplanted organs to God? When will all of you give back your oxygen loan and live 50000 years as a plant to pay it off?
I'm not playing your subhuman oriented games, btw, lmao, not even free. Don't want my IDEAS and INNER WORLD being stolen by tainted-ones
I deserve all of the video games for free because I'm me. I am physically incapable of stealing, because everything should belong to me. Me me me me me, me me me, me me me me me. Me me me? Me me me me. Meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
I pirate all of the games because everything should belong to me me me me meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
>oh yeah bro totally the 99,97% of the players pirated the game >what? how do I know? well, I just know!
it's literal cope to jerk some pitysales from morons, or your cinematic walking simulator about depression and LGBT troubles just doesn't sell for 39.99
I pirate all of the games because everything should belong to me me me me meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
I deserve all of the games. I deserve all of the money. I deserve all of the everything. I deserve it for being meeeeeeeeeee. Me good because me is me. Me me me me me.
It's pretty simple.
People just get more attached to video games because it's something the experience and take part in, as opposed to just being a bystander when watching a tv show.
Same reason there are plenty of "single game" people but no "single show" people and why there's constant shitflinging and shitting on each other's games.
There' now conspiracy, just psychology.
Piracy is stealing a sale from the company.
Try to cope all you want but you're stealing revenue.
So tell us why Burgerking doesn't get sued by mcdonalds for selling the same goyslop? They are stealing a sale from mcdonalds with their imitation food obviously.
Not reading any of that you're wrong and I'm right.
Seethe.
Piracy is stealing a sale from the company.
Try to cope all you want but you're stealing revenue.
So tell us why Burgerking doesn't get sued by mcdonalds for selling the same goyslop? They are stealing a sale from mcdonalds with their imitation food obviously.
Piracy is often simply "try before you buy." Nobody seems to address that side of it, because it highlights their shortcomings.
>no playable demo >no disc >no box >no printed manual >probably unfinished, needs patching >DLC = cut content >still full price >have to download it anyway, on your own time and dime
Why wouldn't you download it for free when you're being treated like that?
Pirating means that people are interested in what you have to offer, but you've made it so obtusely stupid that they have no other option.
If you're forcing people to download your product for money, of course they'll find a way to download it for free; you are treating them like shit, and they just want to play your game
>pirate a game >60$ stolen >rebeat billion times >60B$ stolen >company goes bancrupt >buy it for nothing >destroy all stolen copies >company is no longer bankrupt >you are the CEO
Why did nobody do this then
This.
I usually make about 1000 copies of anything I pirate by constantly making a copy and deleting it repeatedly, just to bankrupt some companies I don't like.
It doesn't seem to work for some reason.
>copying a product is pirating
but not stealing. >Selling a copied product AKA pirated, as if it was your own
Now that's stealing, because you're making profit out of something you didn't make.
Reminder that a complete English ROM collection of every single game up to gameboy advance is less than 40GB and there's no reason not to have a local copy. Even less if you trim all the fat like casio loopy and shit.
In the last Anti-Empress/Fitgirl thread it was decided that piracy is dead. So why even have a thread like this if piracy doesn't exist anymore? I've seen people in Denuvo threads say piracy is dead as well. So again, this whole entire argument feels pointless, irrelevant even.
If I buy a product, I have no moral quandaries about pirating it so I can have a backup copy. There is nothing you can do to make this a wrong action. I'm not stealing from them because I already paid them. You have no right to say that I have to pay you again for a product I want to enjoy. There is a huge difference between me pirating a modern movie I have no intention of paying for, and taking a game I legally purchased and making a copy for myself to enjoy, since I don't feel like spending 500 dollars to repair my old SNES.
>B-BUT MUH COPY PROTECTION! MUH COPYRIGHT! YOU THIEF!
Riddle me this, who cares?
White people have white flight away from watching new TV and movies and listening to new music. As such, 'all' new tv/movies and music are catering to non-whites.
As a white male, you gotta support what you like or else every last thing you enjoyed is going to get blacked. Because of this, I buy games that I like. I feel as though whites still have sway over video games. "Woke" games are the minority.
butthurt over piracy has always, since its inception with napster, kazaa, limewire, etc., ALWAYS!!! been exclusively from people that are too incompetent to do it themselves. they've near-universally attempted to and failed in one way or another, whether it was getting a cease-and-desist from their ISP, or just not knowing how to mount an image. the "support the XYZ!!!" angle is the most blatant and little dick energy cope i've ever seen.
>not knowing how to mount an image
The funniest thing about this is that Windows has been progressively making this task easier. It's now it's as simple as double-clicking the image.
Why do so many people feel the need to justify piracy?
I've never felt guilty about it. I acknowledge that it's stealing. If there's an opportunity to get something for free, then I'm taking it.
I draw the line at real world things, but I think the fear of consequences is the only thing that keeps me from doing it.
His point is that he doesn't care either way because its consequence free, what you call it is besides the point
He doesn't care if it was theft, he will care even less if its piracy
For what its worth, I've been on the AAA industry for 14 years and most of my co-workers pirate software and mod their consoles
>people getting 40 gorillian years in prison and half their salary for touching nintendo games >dmca taking down legitimate reverse engineering products >corporations trying to make punishments more severe despite no evidence it affects them >don't say anything bro
>piracy isn't stealing therefore it's not a crime
I think this has to be the most moronic argument that everyone still continues to make for some reason. Two separate things can be crimes.
>the action or offense of taking another person's property without permission or legal right and without intending to return it; theft.
The video games you buy on steam aren't your property when you buy them, when you buy a game on steam you bought the right to play it under their terms and services,that right in itself is flimsy given valve reserves the right to do anything they want with the access you have to your 'library' for any reason, for all intents and purposes it's theirs when on their platform.
When you pirate you aren't taking the license and you can't even return something that no one has to begin with.
>piracy is the go to excuse for any game that fails to sell what the publisher deems to be the expected amount >gradually reduce physical copies of games until the point where all you get is a CD-key to redeem a digital copy that you use to play with a mandatory DRM launcher >in spite of purchasing digital only copies, games still don't sell the trillion dollar expected amount that the publishers set for themselves >must be those damn, meddling pirates! >force even more intrusive DRM onto customers to the point where they don't even really own their games anymore >still blame pirates when the games don't sell >all during this time, fellow consumers blame their own for being pirates
The morally correct way to handle piracy vs paying for games is so simply and braindead that Its kinda fricking sad no one ITT has pointed it out yet. You pirate games that you arent sure about and if you think that the game deserves its price tag then you pay for it. If the game is good but its not worth the price tag, you wait for a sale and buy it. If the game wasnt very good then you dont buy it. I do this all the time, no matter what. If a game is good and I pirate it I will eventually buy it when the price matches the amount of enjoyment I got out of it. Sometimes games are so good though that they are worth MORE than their asking price, and so I purchase more than one copy (usually on steam and switch).
This way I as a consumer am not fricked over by shitty business practices from shitty fricking corporations trying to rape all my money from me, and actually good developers are not fricked over and end up getting the money that they deserve. Everybody wins. Use piracy as an extremely extended demo.
nobody pointed it out because it's fricking stupid and unrealistic to expect any large percentage of people to actually do this in any consistent way. i have done this before (pirated elden ring, played 3/4 of the way through it, then bought it and manually edited by IDs in the savefile to transfer over), but i'd be full of shit if i said i do it every single time a game is worth the price. i do it when the mood strikes me or when i decide having rapid updates would be a better experience than having to download piecemeal cracked updates (had to do this with wrath of the righteous most recently).
I used to steal the demo cds that came with magazines back in the 90s
I had a technique for doing it in one go without making noise: >scout the CD I wanted >heat pocket knife with lighter >palm it >stand for a second in front of the magazine with the CD >extend my arm as if to grab a magazine further away, while keeping my body between the CD I wanted and the store clerk >flip the knife >run it along the bottom of the magazine >catch dropping CD with the inside of my jacket >palm knife >walk away
I would go to a different magazine stand each month to get the fresh ones, easily I got about 40 or 50 of these in a couple of years
>Have the best library in the existence of Mankind thanks to the internet, where you can store and share all matters of knowledge, data, accomplishements, art, entertainement, et ceteta >WAAAAH YOU HAVE TO USE THE INTERNET AS A HEAVILY MODERATED SOCIAL HUB! YOUR ENTIRE BLOODLINE DESERVES TO GET SUED FOR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ITS DATA SHARING CAPACITIES
Moralgays should kill themselves tbh
one thing that changed during the last decade is how pirates too can contribute to company by engaging with the game on social meda (twitch, youtube) and how you cant pirate MP games
back in 00s, if you were able to pirate a game (and you could) it was done - the sale was lost, and that was it. nowadays, even the game can be pirated, as in, not MP-based, pirates will go watch videos and talk about it on socials to up some numbers
>the sale was lost
There was never going to be a sale in the first place.
Also I remember using the cracked steam to play CS just fine, back in like 2005.
The pirated copy of BF2 also worked with official servers for some reason.
I always found that argument to be dumb. I wasn't going to buy it anyway so it's not a lost sale. Yes it is you dumb frick. You got a paid product for free. Even if you weren't going to buy it it's still a lost sale
So what if i get it for free? They were never going to get my money.
Seems like your problem is "experiencing" something for free.
What if i just download i, but never play it and let it sit on my PC for a year.
is it piracy because I got the game or is it not piracy because I didn't play it?
Either way they didn't get any money.
>They were never going to get my money.
This is why society cannot have nice things. People like you have poor manners, and need to be taken out into the woods and have a shotgun blast to your head, so the rest of your society can enjoy nice things without worrying about parasites. Stop justifying your parasitism.
I don't care either way but to me, justifying by saying you weren't going to pay for it anyway it's just dumb. To me personally, it sounds like a flimsy excuse
I just think it's a dumb argument. I've pirated things before and I'm not a corporate bootlicker. Just to me personally that's one of the weakest piracy arguments
11 months ago
Anonymous
How is there a better argument them you were never ever ever going to buy it?
What's a "good argument"?
Don't tell me you're one of those "revolutionaries" that thinks he's part of some epic resistance ready to overthrow the evil mega companies, because that's as pathetic as you can get.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Frick no, those people are the absolute worst. To me anything above I wanted free shit is just cope.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That and I like to try games before I buy them
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't delude myself into thinking I can make a difference, but every time something bad happens to a megacorp, I smile. Failure of metaverse was the best joyride recently, I hate Zuckerbeg so fricking much.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Frick no, those people are the absolute worst. To me anything above I wanted free shit is just cope.
The best argument is "I already paid you, I'm not paying you again". Simple as that. If you already were compensated, who the hell are you to browbeat me for wanting to play the game again?
>People! People! Your games are now subscription services because of software pirates! That's right, software pirates!
This is how publisher sounds when saying this shit and here you are, believing them.
there are so many offline single player games that break records that it's ridiculous that anyone has to remind gays like you. TOTK just came out; same as dead space, GOW:R, etc. you're either a loser amateur dev that makes phone games or worse: a corpo sycophant consoomer that doesn't bother to look up statistics or numbers for literally any of the emotional garbage that comes out of your mouth.
Demake space sold worse than callisto shitocol and that game flopped. I agree with you but it would be far more content to say Hogwarts legacy, you fricking simpleton
>it would be far more content to say Hogwarts legacy
you're probably right but i kind of forgot that game existed and when just rattling off recent releases that came to mind. could probably pull up a google search's worth of games to crush the idea that GAAS games are mandatory because of piracy.
You have a moral obligation to frick over corpos, because make no mistake, they work day and night nigh tirelessly to frick every one of your holes.
Also I've never pirated games. Emulation is neither theft nor "piracy", whatever the frick that means.
I sincerely believe that if the IP changed hands, the new owner deserves nothing. You are not the creator, you don't deserve to profit from this - simple as that. The law disagrees with me, but I consider this law to be incorrect.
Why? They are still producing copies of it and giving them to people who want them. Why shouldn't they profit off of that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Profit is a sin
11 months ago
Anonymous
What an absurd and practically-impossible notion
11 months ago
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t. defender of usury
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm profiting off of an interaction with another person if I so much as get a good feeling out of it. Profit literally just means 'getting some benefit from something'
Public domain means anyone is allowed to reproduce and sell copies of it
Which is fair enough, if I print copies of To Kill a Mockingbird I can sell them for money, and similarly if people online are freely willing to pay me for digital copies of them instead of seek out free ones from elsewhere, then that's fair too.
the digital book should be free or have a cost that goes exclusively to pay server costs
the physical book should only cost how much it was to put it together and distribute it, no royalties
Dumb. When you pay to see a show at a theater you don't own the show, and seeing it without a ticket is tantamount to stealing. If anything your crusade about ownership would hold more weight if you bought games and then cracked them, but it's not about ownership, it's about being a cheap piece of shit despite video games offering the highest dollar to time spent ratio of any entertainment currently available.
True. I used to think until the creators death, but then companies would just claim ownership. Although I don't understand why IPs of companies that went bankrupt don't become public domain
Let's assume you have and idea, make a game and it doesn't sell, so you're forced into bankruptcy.
It doesn't seem very fair that just because your idea didn't make money, you aren't allowed to own it anymore.
>Why shouldn't it? No one else is going to use it
The original owner might still want to use it. You'd feel pretty shitty if your ideas were taken from you because "why not".
I don't care about piracy but the logic is flawed. You can steal a rental car, even though you can't own it. If your response is that a rental car is a physical object and a game isn't, then you circle right back to the debate over whether piracy is bad in general, thus negating this person's argument.
I want to pirate the Phantom Pain, has any anon played a pirated version? The basic mechanics of the game have so many always online bullshit mechanics ham-fisted into it, I wonder how a pirated version of the game works.
Can someone confirm that the game works just fine as-is?
Should "damages the sales" be an actual argument from a moral point of view?
I mean, not being allowed to point a gun at people forcing them to buy your product also damages the sales. Why should we even care about the sales? People buy what they want to buy.
>buy a game. >It's rightfully your property. >you feel generous and share it with people. >they somehow are stealing something you're sharing for free.
HUH!?! I'M GOING LOCO HERE!?!
Funny how nobody is defending Netflix cracking down on account sharing and are instead calling them out for being greedy, but game piracy is somehow a big no no.
Honestly speaking buying videogames must be the most cucked thing you could do
>buy a new car >works fine, just need a few adjustments every few thousand miles >buy a game in the current year >no box, printed manual and art book >runs like shit, takes a few patches to make it work if the devs feel like it >it's not even the complete experience because you still need to pay DLCs that sum up another $70 >still runs like shit despite being scammed paying twice for cut content
Seriously this industry needs to be burn to the ground
piracy for non profiting reasons should be legal. and it would be if you were actually allowed to own your games/movies and not being a cuck to corpolords. >buy car >let friend use it >sued by toyota
losing potential customers isn’t a valid reason, it makes no sense
Look at all the subhuman shitskins trying to justfy piracy lmao. Can't wait for anti-piracy softwere to develop to the point they are forever filtered out of gaming
>All cracker teams have given up because of denuvo >all that is left is some pajeet troon that is also about to give up >i'm the one mad, not him
I'll keep buying videogames as long as I want. What about you Black person?
TRUE
AND REAL
Piracy isn't stealing anyway.
Correct.
It's a meaningless condition when all conditions applied. Stealing requires the deprivation of a physical object from its owner. Digital piracy, or as I've recently taken to calling it, unauthorized digital distribution of copyrighted materials, does not require a physical object. The copyright holders aren't missing a unit that they can't sell elsewhere because of your downloading it.
no definition of "stealing" states that it has to be physical. stop trying to argue semantics with other job-less dregs if you're not going to learn them first.
dilate
Imagine i "steal" your wallet that was in your pocket and when you check your pocket you see that it's still there. I just made a copy and did not actually steal it
careful now, people might realize that money is just numbers made up by central bankers who print it into investment bankers' accounts
>made a copy of money
IRS IRS IRS THIS MAN IS PRINTING MONEY
Secret Service handles counterfeiting, not IRS
>israelite explains coin clipping
Nice try Schlomo.
It's the Tower of London for you.
israelite coin clippers were stealing, moron.
You obviously have zero idea what coin clipping was
>take coins
>clip edges
>return coins
>original owner has same legal tender
>coin clipper has 'copied' tender in addition
The basic premise is the same you pedantic fricktards.
>*creates a copy of my ID, credit card and created some counterfeit bills*
yea nothing wrong with that
Why would you carry counterfeit bills in your wallet?
but that's fraud, not theft. Just because something isn't theft, doesn't mean it's legal.
nobody said there was nothing wrong with that, only that it wasn't stealing. fricking braindead homosexual
yeah but that's my money you're duplicating and I never allowed you to do it, so frick you I have moral rights to rape you now
Stealing also doesn't have to remove an object from use. Stealing can mean using something without permission.
copyright infringement is not considered stealing, legally speaking.
it's a crime alright, albeit a different one
Shut the frick up anon, you're too smart for this thread, ruining the fun for everyone else.
It's not a crime either, it's a civil offense.
that sounds like american semantics
wether it goes to a penal or civil court, it's still a crime
Literally every definition
>stop trying to argue semantics
That's what law is about.
You havent taken anything from them, you have merely procured an infinitely replicable copy of it.
If piracy is stealing to you, so is buying used games, so is buying a game where the funds cant reach the original company, so is paying for old ass games with no company to actually take payment beyond whomever hosts the file.
You moralgays dont even understand piracy you just suck the corpowiener slurping away. Most piracy isnt even from a monetary issue, its from a service issue.
You have taken something from them. You've taken an experience and didn't pay for it.
If 100% of every game was pirated, the industry would collapse. Buying used games is not as bad because someone had to buy the game new first. Piracy completely circumvents that.
>the industry would collapse.
But that's a good thing.
So we agree piracy is not without effect, whether one of us considers it harmful or beneficial?
Unfortunately there's no evidence that piracy has any effect.
>At its current level, piracy is harmless.
>Hey everybody, piracy is harmless! We should all pirate!
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
if only that was a possibility in reality
oh how amazing that would be
alas it's just a imaginary scenario that will never actually happen
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
About frickin time. We need this second game market crash.
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed
Maybe if they stopped releasing trash with a $70 price tag I'd pay them for their work
unironically wish 99% of people working in the videogame industry lose their jobs, savings and die of starvation on the streets
>said increasingly nervous man for the 67th time
if game industry survived the 2000's where the warez scene was at it's peak, it's be fine
if anything, gaming industry will implode and ve vill have ze great reset at last
I know you're just farming yous but people are paying more than ever and gaming is worse than ever
>people are paying more than ever
No.
Our money is much more worthless than ever before.
Statistically, consumer isn't paying more, it's the devs and publishers that waste so much money on marketing and shit
>>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
the games' industry that got me into playing games collapsed years ago and was replaced with MTX skinnerboxes for normalgay invaders. the incumbent games industry collapsing and rendering ALL current devs unemployed and penniless would be the best news to come out of that sphere imaginable. truly, there could be no greater or more positive outcome.
Game industry has only been increasing in size you moronic subhuman monkey. It was making more money than music and cinema combined since 2012. have a nice day, unironically, rid this planet of the pestilence that is your existence.
>In today's news, the game industry has collapsed since no one pays for games anymore.
>someone had to buy the game new first
Theft exists.
Not if you buy it from gamestop.
>the industry would collapse.
Oh no! Anyway...
>You've taken an experience and didn't pay for it.
What if I never ever intended on ever paying for it? Would it "rob" them of a sale then?
>if someone bought one disk and then this disk was chain resold so a million people play it in the end it's different from those people just pirating the game
piracy is not bad, just as renting and buying used
if devs made a shitty game people don't want to buy full price right away or at all it's their own fault
there's no "missed sale", poorgays will never buy it, if someone bought a game, played through entirety of it and then didn't even think about getting it or other games in series then it was a shit game which is again dev issue and people pirating shit to see if it's even worth bothering with is a common thing
there are literal sites selling no drm stuff and they have zero problems operating
copyright is a scam and the laws should only defend the creator and not let publisher israelites do whatever
Yes, I agree that buying used games should be considered stealing.
>You havent taken anything from them, you have merely procured an infinitely replicable copy of it
That's still taking something without permission which is h he definition of stealing.
Only a israelite would say otherwise
>Only a israelite would say otherwise
The king of the israelites disagrees with you
*tips fedora*
Jesus didn't wear a fedora.
Jesus literally asked for the fish and bread first. He didn't simply take them.
>Buy game
>Distribute copy of game you paid for
I don't see how this is different.
>pirates
>buying games
>being given games
Do you even know what piracy is?
I do exactly this. I buy games them distribute them to my friends. What's the problem?
You keep saying "take" which would imply they lost something. They aren't losing anything when you make a copy of it, unless you think downloading and re-downloading games you've already bought is 'taking' them.
>the secondhand market for physical goods is the same as piracy
fricking lmao
>immediately descends into corporate hateboner screeching
lmaoX2
>no definition of "stealing" states that it has to be physical
Incorrect
law is literally semantics and strict definitions, wtf are you talking about
>Copying
>Theft
>Despite the fact that you have created one more of the thing that you're saying there's now one less of.
Mention this to any anti-pirate gay if you ever want to see what expression inner tormoil looks like
turkish lawyer here, lemme give you a funny anecdote
>back in 2000s, kurdish lads back in east attach hooks to government power lines to tap into electricty
>government sues them for stealing as there aren't any better crimes that fit the bill
>article for theft (to this day) explicitly states being in possession of something without its rightful owner's knowledge or intent
>kurdish lads walk away scot free
>new laws are then introduced that distinguish theft from crimes like this, as well as software piracy
judging by how turkish penal law is based on french and swiss law, I'd be surprised if thievery does not explicitly state pshyical possession of items in those jurisdictions as well. but then again nowadays every country that at least try to be a real one have laws specifically against piracy so the theft question is nothing but a meme at this point
But when you're stealing electricity you're actively decreasing the total power that is available for use for everyone else, so it's still not the same.
If you could pirate electricity, you'd have solved all of the world's problems by having infinite power.
technically speaking, you are not "stealing" electricity, you are generating a burden on the party that pays for it
also even if you could "steal" electricity, how would it be different from "pirating" it?
lack of consent surely makes both acts (tapping into power lines and using a product, product being a game, without a license, license being 70$+tip) illegal, but its not stealing, and severity of the crime can thus be decided freely.
if you ask me, and I see no reason why you should, I think software piracy should not be a crime if you are not distributing it. its like drugs imo.
>how would it be different from "pirating" it
Nobody is getting hurt when I pirate because I was not going to buy it anyways.
This is what anti piracy FOMO gays just can't understand. They think people would just go buy the game if piracy was unavailable.
I already buy all the games I want to buy in the first place.
you surely understand laws and regulations are there not to satisfy morality of one individual but to protect the common good, right?
common good here is allowing people to reap the rewards of their hardwork and bolster software development industry by protecting their sources of revenue, whether you agree or not.
now, things have changed and some companies are like behemoths at this point with some of their products dictating how professions operate (photoshop, MS Office) but these laws dont care about your moral compass, they are there to ensure these companies can keep people employed
sadly, your morals dont entitle you to pick what software you want to use for free, same as how you are not allowed to shoot a man dead if they say things that dont align with your world view
>Nobody is getting hurt when I pirate because I was not going to buy it anyways.
So you don't get to have it, you entitled piece of shit. If it's not worth your money why is it worth your time?
Because I can.
Deal with it, homosexual.
Black person logic
I'm sure all thsoe porn starts you fapped to for free deserved your money as well.
It actually does when it comes to consumer protection laws. There is a difference between physical goods and digital goods, products and services and different laws protect them. Copyright infringement is not theft, you stupid shill.
Piracy should be limited to what are essentially competitors. In China, the piracy scene ruined their legitimate game industry. Why develop a game when whomever can just copy it and sell it on their platform for peanuts? Because of Chinese and South Korean pirates, the gaming industry is now switching to live service games where you could pirate it, but the original servers are always being updated, and they subsist on rich narcissists.
>Why develop a game when whomever can just copy it and sell it on their platform for peanuts?
This is a developer problem, not the user problem.
You don't see random people pirating a game, then trying to sell it as their own. That's bugman mentality and they do that with literally everything. That's why piracy isn't even punishable, unless you're distributing or trying to make money off of it. If you do it for personal use only, nobody can do shit.
What you're describing here is not a piracy issue, but a copyright issue. As much as copyright laws are hated nowadays for lasting way too long and being overreaching, they were originally made to avoid this exact issue of a bad actor copying a good product for his own profit, whether physical or digital
This is a common misconception.
Stealing is defined as taking someone's property without permission.
Piracy is a specific kind of stealing as is theft where that is defined as permanently taking a physical object.
This
not just ignorant, but moronic too
This but also stealing is based so it wouldn't matter anyways
Patterns of ones and zeros aren't subject to scarcity so this post is right.
Taxation is stealing since paying for it make you own nothing.
>don't pay taxes
>freedom stolen
at least the mafia gave you a cool guy in suit to beat you up if you didn't pay protection fees godamn
And at least they actually protect you and leave you alone, unlike the government
In every mafia movie or show the endgame is always getting into politics and "going legit". Guess which mafia made it in real life?
theft? more like extortion.
In my country it's theft rather than extortion, as they take it directly from your wage without even asking
Id be fine with taxes as long as i know where MY money is going. No, i mean, i can see MY MONEY and the Dept it's going to AND read the documents for the projects it's being used for ANNNNND call them directly to see the work being done.
Because the taxes are my money being used for roads n shit. Def not for other shit.
buttholes.
That money is going to Israel and Ukraine and you're going to like it. Oy vey!
i sure hope you own lots of private roads and services anon! wouldn't want to known you're a fricking freeloader.
technically you don't need to pay taxes if you overthrow the government. Alternatively, convert your hobby into a legally recognized business that makes no profit and you can write off all your expenses.
interesting
You're not paying for "it", you're paying for usage rights.
so in the 17th century when a pirate ship had a friendly banter with some english trade vessel they just copied their cargo and uploaded it to their ship. Maybe seeded some maidens in the process?
Are you genuienly comparing sea piracy with internet piracy?
Yes, he was.
PIGGY FROM INVADER ZIM DOSE ANYONE ELSE LOVES THAT SHOW????????
>don't mind me, just pirating these Skittles
Did you use a duplicating machine or did you just walk out with the original ?
>did you walk out with the factory or the product
actually you duplicated the factory and the product, but both the original product and factory remain there
>did you walk out with the factory or the product
No.
>But when you're stealing electricity you're actively decreasing the total power that is available for use for everyone else, so it's still not the same.
If I told you that isn't even how power works, would you believe me? That power is perturbed through the line if you use it or not.
>That power is perturbed through the line if you use it or not.
You can't really believe that using more power doesn't draw out an electricity's network.
Tere's a reason why there can be blackout during the dead.
But go ahead, steal all the electricity until we get power failures in hospitals, that'll be great.
>You can't really believe that using more power doesn't draw out an electricity's network.
If you actually believe anything that is burned, and heat "energy" or any smoke is traveling through a solid copper line then you are the dumbest person on the planet.
It's an electric archform that is perturbed by spinning magnets created by several synchronized generators which if I had to explained "why they had to be synchronized across hundreds of miles to induce said waveform" it would make any wave particle dualists head flip upside down.
>he doesn't know about kettles spinning wheels
Ngmi
>power loss over distance amounts to the same loses as connecting something in between and drawing power
Ok moron.
>power loss over distance
Hence the syncronized generators that are contradictory to whatever dualist made up "speed of light/electricity".
It's instantaneous which is why it has to be synchronized in the first place lol.
>amounts to the same loses as connecting something in between and drawing power
"drawing power" is just feeding off the hertzian archform already passing through your house. Your "bill" is the quantified resistance you caused, which is why you get "less of a bill" with you "off grid" (connected to the fricking grid) solar system).
Had you not used that power....it goes to fricking ground. It gets WASTED. There is no "capacitor" to steal from.
Power plants adjust their "electrical pumps" to deliver a specific amount based on their calculations and predicted usage.
When you're adding resistance to the lines, you need to pump harder, which burns more energy.
Those are milk duds
dumbass tried to kill himself and failed
expose his ass right now
>MY SKITTLES LOOK LIKE MILK DUDS
corpos are pushing for the "game as a service" meme
what's the word used in law for people who leach services without paying?
minorities
Badass? My friend's a lawyer and I think that's the jargon.
>Governments and companies hand in hand to frick customers and people
Let me guess: it's the leftists fault.
it's the fault of everyone blind enough to waste time with red versus blue psyops. remember to vote hard to "own the X"
Since the left is commonly very much in favour of the government manipulating, controlling and influencing the market...yes obviously?
The Left is about social class fights and against governments/organs of national power.
Maybe you should open some books instead of building your knowledge on /misc/.
Is that why they're so intent on using the government as a cudgel to force small businesses to make Trans rights cakes and drag queens in kindergarten classrooms?
>Trans rights cakes and drag queens in kindergarten classrooms
Yeah, just go leave and rent free.
The real world and actual facts aren't for you.
so the bakery didnt get sued and slandered on national television for not making the gay cake?
They also didn't try and ruin a high school boy's life for wearing a red hat and smiling
Or try and make a mass shooter a victim because they were a troon
Or try to canonized a violent, drug addicted pedophile rioters as a saint
And even if they did who cares stop talking about it look at all these things OTHER SIDE may or may not have done
Check the most recent developments - rightwing morons made it all up.
He's talking about a real case that happened years ago in Colorado
The ruling on the fake case was still absolutely based tho
commies and anarkiddies don't run hedge funds despite what /misc/ might have told you
nta but my friends clapped when they thought daddy gov would force the covid vax in my country. I take they are... nazis?
>nazis
Ah, yes, the famous party in favor of massive industrialization/big companies and 100% authoritarian.
But they have "social" in the name so it must be Left, amirite?
sorry m8 I didn't realize you were baiting, go on I think you still have the other anon. cheers
>and against governments/organs of national power
Let me quote a zoomer phrase here: BRUH.
In your dreams maybe, lefties in every single country in the world follow the same bullshit ordered by globohomo, your movement has been completelt coopted
>The Left is against governments/organs of national power.
KILL EVERYONE WITH LESS THAN 100 IQ
>The Left is about social class fights and against governments/organs of national power.
you wot m8? governments and organs of national power literally have no greater allies amongst the populace.
noooo that's not real leftism you have to read about some irrelevant marxists
Your liberals aren't left
communists do not have a monopoly on the left and are also politically irrelevant everywhere
americans don't have a monopoly on definitions
liberals aren't left
Where do you think the left/right distinction originated from? Answer very carefully anon.
europe
Revolutionary France, you knuckle-dragger. If you'd seriously suggest that the ancient definition of "liberal" as the opposition to monarchist reactionaries is the same as today's liberal ideology, and that it places them on the "left", you're an imbecile.
we've gone from
>not real leftists
to
>not real liberals
lamo
The democrats were Black person-hating slavery-supporters in the 1800s, now Republicans are the ones flying the Confederate battle banner. There has not been an inversion but a clear shift in the last 200 years, anon.
I never said anything about democrats vs republicans. Both are liberal parties. America's foundation is bourgeois liberalism, it doesn't have monarchy, nobility or reaction.
We're on the same page there, anon.
I agree with you, anon, but you seem to think corporations are the source of it; they just co-opted it to defang any meningful left-wing movements and get ahead.
Slavery was viewed as a deeply moral problem for/by the religious USA, anon. The suggestion that it wasn't about freeing slaves is a despicable lie.
slavery is irrelevant to the civil war which is best analysed as a materialistic conflict between finance capital and aristocracy.
The civil war was never about freeing the Black folk anyway, it was all geopolitics in the end. It was a moralist smokescreen and even back then it was not really effective in drumming up public support because most didn't give enough of a shit about them other than "Well maybe we should send them where they came from when we industrialize properly".
Frick the north and frick the south, but the draft rioters did nothing wrong
Watch out, he's now gonna start explaining to your how monarchy is totally good and how he'd love to be an indentured servant.
Unironically based, Stalin knew exactly the value of such people, which is why homosexual "intellectuals" were the first ones he shot.
You think the left wing is the main supporter of bank deregulation, reduced corporate tax etc because these corporations insert themselves into social movements? I know the Democratic Party is somehow "left" in the degenerate political dichotomy of America, but come on.
homosexual corporate shareholders and government officials have free reign to do whatever they want because anyone that voices any opposition is attacked by millions of lefty lunatics to be "canceled" or straight up murdered by their Black folk and murderers in the street.
Any movement or organization is subverted with cancerous shit like racial and gender homosexualry and destroyed from within.
If you were in USSR Stalin would purge all of you homosexuals into gulags or exile or early graves without hesitation.
Banking deregulation and lowered corporate tax happen because social justice warriors on Twitter call you a racist terf when you suggest Goldman-Sachs and Walmart should behave better and pay more taxes?
homosexual animal you are on Ganker and you think you can spot such bullshit. When occupy wall street showed above 0% threat to the wall street bankster israelites like the shareholders of JP Morgan it was filled to the brim with Black folk, dykes and homosexuals and ruined from within.
Its since been the pattern to ruin anything that poses any level of threat to them.
Leviticus 20 13
The left is about fighting against ordinary people and lower class, for the lefts owners and masters in the richgay class that are shareholders of corporations and in the governments.
Literally tools and pawns of the richest billionaires in a full spectrum war against poor and lower class people and the destroyers of middle class.
Moron please
The Left is about taking control of the government to regulate the market
all economies are command economies, moron
>customers
but you’re bragging about not buying shit
He said people right after he said customer you illiterate eunuch.
Maybe companies shouldnt go out of their way to make me not want to give them my money then.
>be company
>literally refuse to take money
>woooow why people are downloading it for free now pirates ruin everything
Obviously they are, since every leftists is absolutely fine with megacorp takovers and totalitarian states as long as they push troony agenda. Main enemy of leftists are small businesses that have an option to not pander to troony agenda(which are also enemies of megacorps and state, because they give you a choice)
You guys really need to stop thinking this is a left vs right issue and realize it's a wealthy and powerful vs the working class issue and it always has been. Politicians on both sides will suck that Hollywood/music label dick for the bribe money (excuse me "lobbyist benefits") before they give a shit about the truth.
>immediately brings up tribalist left vs right
Yeah, I'd say it is
I don't see anyone else sucking up states and corporations, it's literally just you.
Considering the amount of power leftists have given the government, corporations, and bankers yes it is their fault.
real left: no
usa/euro liberal "left"; yes
>the government suppressed a 300 page study about an issue proving that government has no reason to intervene on the issue
This is kind of dumb. Im sure its more about a case by case situation
Peak American.
The effects varied across different types of media - IIRC the study showed that movies suffered the most from piracy, but video games had positive interactions between piracy rates and sales while music/books were mostly unaffected.
that study was posted here, btw
>don't mind me, just pirating this anime
Normalgays will use these streaming sites and somehow delude themselves that they aren't pirates and that piracy is bad
It isn't. You haven't downloaded any files to your computer. That's how they got you back in the day.
>video cache is not a file
uhh moronman?
>You haven't downloaded any files to your computer
Do you mind telling me by what witchery you can watch a video on the internet without that file being on your computer?
There's this cool website called youtube that allows you to watch videos without downloading them.
>Without downloading them
Wrong.
weird how i dont have terabytes of videos stored on my computer from all the nights i leave youtube running on auto play then.
Anon, your temp(orary) files get deleted when you're done.
Go to youtube, let a video end it's loading, cut your internet.
Now, you can watch a video on internet with no internet. Why is that?
because it already loaded. I didnt download aka save anything. As soon as i close the tab its gone.
If you hadn't saved it, anon, you wouldn't be able to watch it.
You are so tech illiterate it's impossible to explain this to you.
If i saved it, it would be on my computer after i closed my browser.
it do get saved, if you quit the video page after it's fully loaded, going back to it will load instantly.
Why is that?
>it will load instantly
not if your internet is turned off.
>because it already loaded
What do you think "loaded" means?
You should take a CS class some time kid. Of course you download the video you are watching, it just gets deleted instantly.
Clear your cache and temporary data. It's full of encrypted video files that you can't read. But you did download them, otherwise the video wouldn't have played on your pc.
>streaming isn't downloading
What a colossal fricking tard.
>he thinks he doesn't actually download videos from youtube each time he watched them
Just because the files get deleted instantly doesn't mean i haven't downloaded it.
I can cut my internet right now, and my music would still play because it finished (down)loading.
>moronic zoomers actually have no idea how computers work
please stay moronic, i don't want any competition in my job finding, there are enough homosexual morons there already
Anon, unless you're just fishing for (You)s: the whole reason videos buffer in the first place is because your computer is downloading them as you're watching them and the download speed was too slow so the video would catch up to it.
the gay sex with hats on image is officially 10 years old
i, too, am so old
I can't find anything about the existence of that encore game
Probably one the hundreds of League of Angels or whatever that game was called adverts that never actually said it was League of Angel's
Ah I see
It's not encore, the name is longer than that.
If you are genuinely curious, the game is called Sevencore. Pay2win grind hell, as one would expect.
>no classes
disgusting
thanks for informing me, my curiosity was gonna keep me up at night
2013 was ten years ago
Actually true for me as well, but change 2019 to 2022. I imagine the original was about streaming services?
I decided to play far cry 3 a bit, so naturally I launched uplay and downloaded it since I actually own the game. But then it wouldn't launch at all so I pirated it and it worked just fine. Shit launchers make it a worse experience than not buying the games, so frick em.
I dont care if piracy is theft, you wont stop me
Who cares, I don't pirate but that's out of sheer laziness. Pirate away, companies suck.
It's not like there's anything wrong with actually stealing from businesses either.
why do they call her bouncy?
No idea
It's not called piracy. Piracy is a word coined by industry shills to badmouth file-sharing. Use the correct terminology, otherwise you will be treated as industry plant and mocked.
Piracy sounds cooler
>Use the correct terminology,
And that is...?
Copyright infringement I suppose.
>Don't you dare Copyright Infringement Final Fantasy XVI!!!
You also don't say "Don't you dare Piracy Final Fantasy XVI!" anon. Make a proper verb out of it or better yet stop baiting.
file sharing
>If I steal a car from a car rental company, it's not stealing!!
what kind of moron logic is this?
FRICK COMMUNISTS!!!
If only Putin had the balls to nuke USA for good and errase this degenerate and moronic country from Earth..
they're the biggest providers of pirated games you moron.
>if only putin would destroy the world
Do us all a favor and have a nice day
>america = world
you are the reason it NEEDS to happen
immaculate nukes on all major cities in the united states NOW
If you had half a brain you would realize that a nuclear attack on the country with the second most nukes would destroy the planet. Both countries could easily destroy the planet on their own.
You would have a point, if nukes were real.
splendid idea
instead of other country nuking US we just need to detonate all nukes that are already in the united states
cant detonate something that doesn't exist kek
Go ahead and spout your fantasies homosexual. Your government wont do shit because the US would crush them like a bug, and you know it.
>US would crush them like a bug
you're thinking israelites will just self destruct out of nowhere? lmao
>Go ahead and spout your fantasies homosexual
>Russia should nuke the US, the US would never respond because it would be out of nowhere.
Brilliant logic Vlad. We both know that won't happen though. Your Chinese overlords won't allow it. How far you people have fallen since the USSR baka.
>implies US is not ruled by israelites
>beings up russia completely out of nowhere
mindbroken lmao
>out of nowhere
did you even read the comment chain you're responding to?
>muh israelite
is this the best argument you have?
you mean the the same chain I'm explicitly implied i'm from the US?
my bad from not expecting this kind of moronation from a literal goygolem israelite bootlicker Black person
kill all your family members and then yourself
>explicitly implied i'm from the US
You didn't imply shit psycho. You're just crying because I dismantled your rage baby argument. Now KYS or frick off to russia so you can die in ukraine.
>Now KYS or frick off to russia so you can die in ukraine.
Based
you are not human or literally, actually mouth-drooling pants on head moronic
Seethe
cope & dilate
True, it only becomes illegal if you start playing it.
That's a troony.
True I never stole it. I don’t really own anything and will be happy. Thats why Jesus will still let me through the gates of Heaven.
I pirated elden ring and i'm glad I did because it sucked and ran like shit.
this except now I don't have the luxury of free time to play garbage games and I drop them immediately
Nah i played through it once, skipped all the openworld slop and it was a 7/10 game at best that I had 0 plans to revisit.
is this supposed to make the fat lad look bad?
he based
NOOOO, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HATE HIM BECAUSE HE'S UNATTRACTIVE! WHO CARES IF NO ARGUMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST HIM?
I find it funny when the only argument your comic has is "durr u ugly"
people shit on stonetoss but at least he gets his point across
">implying I bought TF2"
Jesus that pic is old as shit
>Sound argument
>But hes fat so hes wrong
???
That's how normalhomosexuals think. They are incredibly callous and petty. They worship the beautiful and despise the ugly, the truth of arguments or morality doesn't matter to them. If someone with a pretty face told them he diddled kids but is very sorry, they'd act compassionate and tell him that he deserves redemption and therapy for his difficult situation. If someone ugly told them that, they'd condemn him without a second thought.
Not really, no. EVERYONE hates pesos.
Who keeps reposting stuff from the front page of reddit here, for what purpose?
>stealing is against the law
>AND CRIME IS FOR Black folk
>when you find out they basically pirated the bespoke music for those ads
kek
>the man who steals the purse is wearing a suit and an overcoat
Unbelievable!
What is the name of this video? Is it on Youtube?
I appreciate the sentiment but
>YouTube comment thread
come on, now
What a stupid analogy.
>take out a loan
>never pay it back
>hurr durr it isn't stealing money because i never owned the money haha checkmate
Thats correct. Seethe about it bankercuck.
have a nice day troony commies
You literally own resources you loan. You can do whatever the original owner could do with it under responsibilities stated in contract. You loan a, say, table, you can have financial responsibility for breaking it, if stated in contract, but you won't go in jail for doing so.
>You literally own resources you loan
Prove me wrong then
He is correct, anon. An obligation to repay a loan does not mean you don't own the loaned asset. If you have collateral, this is liquidated upon failure to repay. Do you not know how loans work?
Just because you don't go to jail for breaking it doesn't mean you own it. Otherwise I own everything my friends own because they won't call the cops on me if I break it
How exactly you owning a thing differs from you loaning a thing? What can't you do with loaned thing that you can with owned one exactly?
Keep it.
You can keep it by extending loan contract or by simply not giving it back (and paying a fine if one is in loan contract)
So you're saying I can't keep it, I can extend my loan. Thanks for clarifying that I was right.
You can read the second part you wished to ignore, but how extending a loan is not keeping it, exactly?
Because you aren't keeping it. You're agreeing to borrow it for as long as you pay.
So difference between owning and borowing is only the form of payment then?
No. When you own something you don't have to pay for it anymore. And you can own things without payment of any kind.
>When you own something you don't have to pay for it anymore
You have to pay for maintainance, which is usually included in loan contract. Also I fail to see how time of payment or it's form has to do something with the subject
>And you can own things without payment of any kind
You can borrow things without payment of any kind as well, I don't think I've ever paid my friends for a loan of some item
>You have to pay for maintainance
No you don't.
Are you done being wrong yet?
If you buy a flat you very well have to pay for it's maintenance, if you rent it, it is on landlord.
You don't have to. It's not a requirement of owning things. Once it belongs to you, you can do/not do anything you like with it.
How is it different from borrowing things then? Fixing borrowed things is not a requirement of loaning it either
>If you can do your own maintenance, you don't need to pay anyone.
If you exclude price of instruments, parts, electricity and your own pay for services(which you couldve had if you did this for someone else)
>How is it different from borrowing things then?
Because it's yours and you own it, and never have to give it back. How is this difficult for you?
And why do you keep bringing up maintenance?
>Because it's yours and you own it
You own things you borrow as well
>and never have to give it back
You can extend loan for 100 years and never have to give back loaned thing either, so what's the difference.
>And why do you keep bringing up maintenance
I am just trying to figure out why people think that you don't own things you loan. For the duration of the loan you have the very same rights for it as someone who bought it.
>You own things you borrow as well
You literally don't. Didn't read the rest of the post because you were so wrong in your first point.
Whats the difference then? Form and time of payment?
The difference is owning the object VS not owning the object.
If I let you use my ball, it's not yours, it's mine. Even if you rent the ball from me, I can ask for it back. It's mine. You don't own the ball, I'm letting you use it in exchange for money.
How is this difficult for you?
>If I let you use my ball, it's not yours, it's mine
But I use it and you dont. And if we're talking actual loan contracts, you can't make me stop using it until the contract ends.
>Even if you rent the ball from me, I can ask for it back.
And I can refuse to give it back till the end of the loan.
>It's mine
But you don't use it and I do
>You don't own the ball, I'm letting you use it in exchange for money
And I will keep using it, just like I would use the one I bought from the store.
So what's the difference.
None of those things mean you own it. I can keep my ball forever, you have to pay me $69 a month forever to use it. That's the difference.
So the only difference is time and form of payment then
No, because you can own things without paying. The difference is literally ownership Vs not-ownership.
What exactly is it you are struggling with here? I'm sick of talking to you and want this to end.
>No, because you can own things without paying.
You mean cyclical payments? You need to pay upfront then, it is not the question of rights, but the form and time of payment.
>The difference is literally ownership Vs not-ownership.
So what's the difference between them
>Being this moronic.
I'm done. Look up what the words you use mean in the dictionary, that's what you're really arguing with.
I accept your concession
You didn't make a single point in the entire thread lol
If you can do your own maintenance, you don't need to pay anyone.
>flat
lmao oh I see, I'm not talking to a real man
>Otherwise I own everything my friends own because they won't call the cops on me if I break it
Yes you do. Gubmint destroys everything and nobody would call the cops on them because they won't self incriminate and remove their own power.
You own the resources you loan though.
>>hurr durr it isn't stealing money because i never owned the money haha checkmate
neither did the bank
they're pirating money out of thin air
You think bank's money is just made up? How would a bank fail then if it can just make up numbers?
Education and the internet has failed us.
it can make up money but it cannot randomly make up money and have to follow the agreements with other banks making up money too. When bank sucks at agreements and making up money it shits itself and dies
no bank actually owns enough physical tokens of money it made up and when the time to give them up comes up a colossal shitfest and scamming ensues
>it can't make up money unless in agreement with other banks
What does that even mean? Are you trying to say they can borrow money from each other? That's not making up money my friend.
Banks don't print money. Maybe your thinking of the federal reserve? Either way, you're an idiot.
>What does that even mean?
that they can't just say "i have a billion dollars more now get fricked nerds" and have to do the needful so everyone else agrees they do have a billion dollars more
Look up fractional reserve banking
It's all made up and those israelites were either too stupid or just didn't care to learn their lesson from the great depression, only now the Federal Reserve bails them out the moment it looks like there's trouble
Did you look up fractional reserve banking? Cuz it isn't making up money fractional reserve, as the name suggests, just means the banks don't need to keep 100% of every deposit on hand. They are allowed to loan out deposits. As I said before, banks don't make up money and you're an idiot still for thinking they do.
how do you think banks make their baseline income? from interest rates
if you think of money as I.O.U notes for bartering, then all the money from loans or mortgages are made out of thin air because it's made without any labor or goods provided
We aren't talking about how currency is made up. They were arguing that banks just add a few zeroes whenever they feel like it.
I was the guy who said that banks loan money out of thin air and it's true
they either lend money that isn't theirs, because they have to keep only 10-15% of what they have in their customer's accounts, and can freely operate with the rest, but it's more like I'm borrwing from Tom, Dick and Harry by proxy, or they lend money thay made from interest, and that is money made out of thin air since it's not backed by anything
but my point from the start was that it's a shitty food-tier analogy to make
Lending out other people's money and making money from interest isn't money out of thin air. Out of thin air means they just add a few zeroes on their records without that money coming from anywhere. Using other people's money is scummy, but it's not just making shit up.
>Anon1 has 300,000 in 4Bank
>4Bank decides to give Anon2 a loan of 200,000
>4Bank uses 200,000 of Anon1’s money to give to Anon2
>Anon1 decides he wants his money back
>4Bank gives Anon1 100,000 money and 200,000 in IOUs that count the same as real money
>Anon1 has 300,000 money and Anon2 has 200,000 money
4Bank has created 200,000 money out thin air in the form of IOUs. This is a greatly oversimplification of how this works, but I hope you get the idea.
Stop spoonfeeding fractional reserve banking to lazy fricks
It literally is just made up money. Every paper bill is in fact actually just an IOU by banks. It’s called fiat money if you want to be specific
What did you think would happen when the bank loaned out all the money you gave them and you wanted to take that money out?
They call the cops on you and you get put in prison for an indefinite amount of time for domestic terrorism.
The bank fails, which does happen.
We aren't arguing what the dollar means or how the federal reserve works. People were arguing that banks just add zeroes to their bottom line which never happens.
Not in current year. The government won't let them.
>We don't have money for our clients because we are idiots...can we have some Mr. Government?
>Yes, here you go. But we will seize all your assets, close you down and distribute them to other banks.
While shitty, the banks aren't making up money, once again. It's coming from the government.
A bank can fail when everyone wants their money at the same time
A bank cannot fail when percentages of their account holders want their money at different times.
The bank will do its best to keep you and everyone from accessing their money simultaneously. They *can* generate money out of thin air, this is Fractional Reserve Banking, but it doesn't happen instantly
Our money is fake and the system is designed to feed itself and the upper class while leaving behind the waste products (middle class). The lower class is not productive enough to consume, so they get carried along until they become valuable enough to eat
>A bank can fail when everyone wants their money at the same time
And there's probably safeguards in place to prevent this. Yes, your money is "guaranteed" up to 250k by FDIC, but the only ones really in danger are tiny local/regional banks, which would then probably just close their doors early and sell to a Wells Fargo or BOA
1. piracy insn't stealing, regardless of anything else
2. what you pay for is not the games, but a limited time license to be able to play it, and yes you do own that
3. piracy isn't giving you a licence to play the game, but a permanent access to the game files, so even if it was stealing(it's not), it's not stealing the product(the limited time license) you'd be paying for.
>what you pay for is not the games, but a limited time license
No one can take my physical copy from me or I call police. Physical is full ownership and that's why they want to kill it. Copyright laws are crime against humanity.
>You think bank's money is just made up?
It's is print fake money and call it debt.
When you own something you can sell it. Unless they offer the option for second hand digital sales you cannot argue that you own the license.
>disingenuous homosexuals trying to justify stealing cause they are scared little pussies
it is stealing and I don't give a frick if it hurts game developers. should have picked a more secure profession losers
Pirates are going straight to heaven
Jesus didn't steal the bread and fish.
exactly, he pirated it
Except piracy is stealing.
You're under the impression that stealing, piracy and theft are all synonyms when they aren't.
>piracy is stealing.
It isn't. It's copyright infringement. It is covered under a completely different set of laws and regulations. Theft is subject to other laws and regulations. Learn your own fricking laws before you make idiotic posts like this one.
NTA but Jesus asks for the fish and then distributes equal portions to the people. Essentially this is a free transaction. He didn't copy it or steal it.
Pirates don't ask for permission not do they distribute things to others, they just take it.
Torrent is distribution though. And someone has to distribute in order for you to download.
Pirates distribute shit all the time dumbass, ive got the Etrian Odyssey Remasters for free all because some anon made sure to upload the denuvoless versions uploaded to steam on accident when the game launched
>ask for permission
From whom? his own self?
>nooo he's asking it from god the father, jesus is god the son. They're not the same but there is only one god and jesus is god.
Asking perfimission from himself but he isn't him schrodinger's god to do as he please. Christisraelites are lower iq than Black folk.
>From whom? his own self?
What? He asked his disciples for their food and they gave him 5 loaves of bread and two fish, you moron.
Fricking hell, you have to be some kind of Christian if you're this ignorant.
>he prayed to his disciples
moron his prayer was to the father not to the disciples
none of the npc disciples have any guts to say no
judas was the only person with actual soul the rest were sheep
>prayed to his disciples
What the frick are you talking about? Do you even know the story? The bread and fish were the provisions he and his disciples had, he didn't pray to god either.
My guy, are you, by any chance, an actual moron?
What the frick are you even trying to argue?
>Jesus told the crowd to sit down on the ground. Then he took the seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn gave to the people. They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward, the disciples picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were leftover. The number of those who ate was four thousand men, besides women and children.
The story is literally that he magically multiplied the bread and the fish so much that he managed to feed several thousands of people and even have more shit leftover than what he started with, it's not very complicated at all, I dunno what kinda frickwit you have to be to misconstrue anything about it.
but anon, just think of all the fish that could have been sold if Jesus hadn't copied his for everyone else!
>He didn't copy it or steal it.
Bruh, he literally multiplied breads
Yes. He (or whoever was in charge for provisions) bought them, then "torrented" to a large group of people. Everyone got their share of fish and bread for free.
Neither did whos ever hosting the download of whatever im pirating. They paid for their copy and then shared it. How is that stealing?
it makes shlomo goldberg less shekels so it's "stealing"
Look at all that pre-reddit reddit spacing
>2009
>prereddit
ok mr.underage
Digg didn't accidentally commit suicide until the 10's, no one here cared about reddit until then.
Hell, no one really cared until the rise of SRS, at which point Ganker sounded the alarm that things were going in the wrong direction over there. Unfortunately, history has proven us 100% correct.
>until the 10's, no one here cared about reddit
sure is summer in here
Spewing jargon doesn't make you fit in when it's obvious you don't know what it means.
If that was posted today, you're obviously the person who'd immediately jump in and scream 'reddit spacing!'
>implying
No, because linebreaking with a single line has nothing to do with the buzzword you spew in a failed attempt to fit in.
>linebreaking with a single line
You just defined reddit spacing, you faker
No, tourist-kun. Reddït spacing is not a single line.
Ok, I'll bite. If it's not the commonly accepted definition, what is it?
>it's linebreak but it's not a single linebreak
Geee, I fricking wonder what it could be. Stop being a DOUBLE Black person already.
Tourists, like you, spewing the wrong interpretation in a failed attempt to fit in doesn't make it "the commonly accepted definition". It only lets newbies like you out yourself, as the tourists you are.
You really pretending that people only scream 'reddit spacing!!1!' when it's a
double line break
like this?
Cause that hasn't been my experience in the half decade since people started whining about it.
wouldn't that be a triple line break
No one cries about reddit spacing if you just
hit the return key once
not part of the greater argument but i think the 'reddit spacing' distinction just became a natural filtering mechanism to identify stealth redditors (and correctly dismiss their opinions) as they became more common here. it's not that nobody ever double line broke here, it's that, at least initially, EVERY redditor used the double line break (Along With Improper Capitalization And Starting Sentences With Prepositions). same thing with expressions like "yikes" or "umm" or "problematic". it's like that old saying with pedophiles and moustaches or whatever.
I agree with all that, but posts with readable formatting is often dismissed as 'reddit spacing'. So it's useful to point out that's how many people on Ganker typed long before reddit was around, much less before it became the cancer it is now.
That is indeed the actual leddit spacing. It became a thing due to leddit being a shit site that (used to?) require you to hit Enter twice to make a single linebreak. leddit tourists would then reflexively do the same here, but get a double linebreak instead of the intended single.
>experience
Congrats, you're not the only tourist trying to fit in.
Now quit spewing jargon you don't understand.
yes
Piracy was never about stealing an object, it's about not paying people for their work on lines of code that you can use to give yourself some sort of experience/tool to use.
People who think piracy is harmless unlike stealing are dumb. Maybe it is harmless at its current level, but what would happen if it was more widespread? What if everyone on Earth pirated every game...what would happen? Piracy isn't harmless at that level and should therefore be curtailed as much as possible. It has a real effect.
You are stupid
>What if everyone on Earth pirated every game...what would happen?
Game developers are already addressing this, have you never heard of GaaS before? There's a reason why they every large software company is jumping on the SaaS train.
>what if an imaginary impossible scenario were to happen
Nice argument.
What if everyone just agreed to stop being buttholes and there was world peace?
>it's about not paying people for their work on
Employees are paid monthly (usually) wages for their work by the company, whether you personally pay for the product or not makes zero difference.
>What if everyone on Earth pirated every game...what would happen?
I don't know, what would happen if a meteorite struck your house tomorrow? What if a nuclear war breaks out?
>What if everyone on Earth pirated every game...what would happen?
the industry would collapse, and that's a good thing!
>it's about not paying people for their work on lines of code
Factually incorrect. The people that coded the game had already been paid by the developer. Their work has been completed before the game is released and they had been compensated. They do not see a cent from the game's sales. Only the publisher or the company they are employed at gets that money and the people working will not be paid until they start to work on a different project .You have no idea about anything you stupid monkey.
What if they did?
What if they didn't?
What if the world was made of pudding?
if the owner of a company is morally obligated to share profits with workers, are the workers morally obligated to share debts with the owner?
Can't believe I agree with a fricking troon
Just pirate his argument
Duh, they have to pay an arm and a leg for their pills and surgeries.
Piracy is their only option but they like moral grandstanding do they say it isn't stealing even though by definition it is.
>rent game
>don't return it
>it's not stealing because I didn't own it despite paying!
this was commonly done by normal people who rented from blockbuster and is why they went out of business. if there's no consequence for keeping what was rented it will never be given back.
>this was commonly done by normal people who rented from blockbuster and is why they went out of business
That's not why, the Internet being far more convenient in every way and refusing to adapt killed it.
Things they don't get back are written off.
Literally no piracy happens in your moronic example.
renting implies removing from stock
it's an argument for something. Both sides are corrupt. The sad part here is that the pirates here are the smaller evil
I'm just not gonna pay for $70 video games + tax is all.
>no playable demo
>no disc
>no box
>no printed manual
>probably unfinished, needs patching
>DLC = cut content
>still full price
>have to download it anyway, on your own time and dime
Why wouldn't you download it for free when you're being treated like that?
You're paying for the product, not the storage unless you want them to sell physical games for $80 to balance it out.
>unless you want them to sell physical games for $80 to balance it out.
"Inflation" does not equal actual value, stop falling for israeli money scams
I didn't say anything about inflation.
I'm saying that they would increase price of physical instead of reducing the price for digital.
What a fricking bootlicker.
No wonder the industry is so anti-customer when gobbling turkeys like you actually defend these awful practices.
You get what you deserve. In fact, it's your fault we have to deal with Steam when NOBODY wanted it.
GLARK GLARK GLARK
It's not a question of storage; it's the basic principle anon. They don't even sell you a whole, complete product for the price you pay.
>pay for product with storage
>pay for same product without storage
>exactly the same fricking price
>product with storage may even be fricking cheaper
uhhh moronman?
true, indeed. the bobby koticks of the world are a couple of real sneaky israelites, in this particular regard. they cry about piracy all the time but always fail to mention that people just pay for a license to use the game for a finite amount of time. eventually, the game's multiplayer servers will be shut down and sometimes the shut-down of various online services straight-up make the game completely unplayable. and when any of that stuff happens, then all they can say is "well, you got your money's worth, though, it was only 40 bucks and you've got years' worth of entertainnment out of it, so quit complaining!"
that dude looks like he's one bout of depression away from transitioning
why shouldn't i pirate if i am not interested in the online features a game has to offer?
>inb4 morally wrong
there far worse things in this world yet you keep quiet about them or just let them play out because it's easier being an annoying c**t on internet forums and cry about piracy than doing something to prevent actual morally wrong things happening in this world, so don't come at me with that "it's morally wrong" argument
I don’t get this current trend of being so sanctimonious about pirating stuff.
I pirated media back when I was a poorgay. Being underage/poor is a completely understandable reason.
But nobody just admits “cuz I’m poor” now. They have to polish it with some philosophical righteousness.
Is it just because it’s currently the cool thing to claim some victim points and heroically fight your “evil oppressor”?
Today children and normalgays don't know how to pirate.
Admission to living in poverty is worse than death
I'll kill anyone I see emulating Nintendo's games.
I'll pirate no matter waht I dont give a frick about owning shit or not. I just want stuff for f ree b***h
DIGITAL PIRACY NEVER HURT ANYONE
>DIGITAL PIRACY NEVER HURT ANYONE
>https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf
I guess its justified to steal from services that rent you stuff because you're paying for something and you don't own it.
Yeah because industry shills come on here to promote nonstop
Also discord Black folk love to come here to "fight the good fight" and only embarrass themselves
Why is one okay and the other isn't?
Look at the lack of original content on Ganker and Ganker in general and you'll see why.
>why is not purchasing and using something different than not purchasing something but still using it anyway?
The real question is, how worthless is your time that you’re willing to invest it in playing a game that you think isn’t worth more than ‘free’?
>the amount of mental gymnastics poorgays will go through to justify their Black person-tier behavior
>if I spend ten grand on generic t-shirts and shoes then nobody will think I'm poor!
literal black american mentality.
Piracy isn't theft.
When will corpos give me back my wasted time on this website? When will je*s give back their bodies and transplanted organs to God? When will all of you give back your oxygen loan and live 50000 years as a plant to pay it off?
I'm not playing your subhuman oriented games, btw, lmao, not even free. Don't want my IDEAS and INNER WORLD being stolen by tainted-ones
I deserve all of the video games for free because I'm me. I am physically incapable of stealing, because everything should belong to me. Me me me me me, me me me, me me me me me. Me me me? Me me me me. Meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Frogposting is good when I do it because I'm me. Everything I do is good because it's me doing it. I'm the best person ever. Because I'm meeeeeeeeeee.
Tell that to underpaid indie devs who record 95% piracy rate.
Tell me who that underpaid indie dev first.
>oh yeah bro totally the 99,97% of the players pirated the game
>what? how do I know? well, I just know!
it's literal cope to jerk some pitysales from morons, or your cinematic walking simulator about depression and LGBT troubles just doesn't sell for 39.99
I buy good games and pirate bad games.
Simple as.
I pirate all of the games because everything should belong to me me me me meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. Meeeeeeeeeee. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
You look like you're afraid of water
But you aren't...
always justified to test games and to not give woke companies money
I deserve all of the games. I deserve all of the money. I deserve all of the everything. I deserve it for being meeeeeeeeeee. Me good because me is me. Me me me me me.
Posted 5 years ago, still true.
It's pretty simple.
People just get more attached to video games because it's something the experience and take part in, as opposed to just being a bystander when watching a tv show.
Same reason there are plenty of "single game" people but no "single show" people and why there's constant shitflinging and shitting on each other's games.
There' now conspiracy, just psychology.
No one brags about pirating those things though.
Do you see any statememt like "I pirated X" as bragging.
>phoneposting frog is having a meltdown
Pirated 5 more games in that time, just to fuel the fire.
Piracy is stealing a sale from the company.
Try to cope all you want but you're stealing revenue.
Literally incorrect
Not reading any of that you're wrong and I'm right.
Seethe.
>Not reading any of that
I bet you're the same type of homosexual that tells others to read a dmca bible.
Piracy is stealing a sale from the company.
Try to cope all you want but you're stealing revenue.
So tell us why Burgerking doesn't get sued by mcdonalds for selling the same goyslop? They are stealing a sale from mcdonalds with their imitation food obviously.
lol how do you steal a sale
It's an interaction between two parties
How do you steal an interaction
lol how do you steal a sale
It's an interaction between two parties
How do you steal an interaction
That's the fricking joke. The "Steal a sale" is short for "I am too shit of a salesman to make the fricking sale in the first place".
It's all run on spinning wheels. But where is the axle? What is the axle?
Piracy is often simply "try before you buy." Nobody seems to address that side of it, because it highlights their shortcomings.
Pirating means that people are interested in what you have to offer, but you've made it so obtusely stupid that they have no other option.
If you're forcing people to download your product for money, of course they'll find a way to download it for free; you are treating them like shit, and they just want to play your game
>pirate a game
>60$ stolen
>rebeat billion times
>60B$ stolen
>company goes bancrupt
>buy it for nothing
>destroy all stolen copies
>company is no longer bankrupt
>you are the CEO
Why did nobody do this then
This.
I usually make about 1000 copies of anything I pirate by constantly making a copy and deleting it repeatedly, just to bankrupt some companies I don't like.
It doesn't seem to work for some reason.
Interesting take, similar to mine. I wouldn't say that out loud though. It makes israeli people angry.
>copying a product is pirating
but not stealing.
>Selling a copied product AKA pirated, as if it was your own
Now that's stealing, because you're making profit out of something you didn't make.
Reminder that a complete English ROM collection of every single game up to gameboy advance is less than 40GB and there's no reason not to have a local copy. Even less if you trim all the fat like casio loopy and shit.
>a complete English ROM collection of every single game up to gameboy advance is less than 40GB
Maybe if you keep it to Nintendo systems.
Remind yourself how small old games were. All of Sega Genesis (barring sega CD) is 1.2GB.
The ps1 library is 800gb. This isn't true.
That's why I said ROM.
How is a PS1 game not Read Only Memory?
>tfw just now realized there's ROM in CD-ROM
Yaaa, gomen gomen
a single random ps1 rom weights 455 MB, you're full of shit.
Have you just checked your file's weight once archived?
>455MB
How much is that in kilograms?
i don't know, but it's almost half a GB
PCE CD alone is roughly 70GB.
In the last Anti-Empress/Fitgirl thread it was decided that piracy is dead. So why even have a thread like this if piracy doesn't exist anymore? I've seen people in Denuvo threads say piracy is dead as well. So again, this whole entire argument feels pointless, irrelevant even.
If I buy a product, I have no moral quandaries about pirating it so I can have a backup copy. There is nothing you can do to make this a wrong action. I'm not stealing from them because I already paid them. You have no right to say that I have to pay you again for a product I want to enjoy. There is a huge difference between me pirating a modern movie I have no intention of paying for, and taking a game I legally purchased and making a copy for myself to enjoy, since I don't feel like spending 500 dollars to repair my old SNES.
>B-BUT MUH COPY PROTECTION! MUH COPYRIGHT! YOU THIEF!
Riddle me this, who cares?
>pay for a massage
>you dont get to own the massagist
wtf scammed
White people have white flight away from watching new TV and movies and listening to new music. As such, 'all' new tv/movies and music are catering to non-whites.
As a white male, you gotta support what you like or else every last thing you enjoyed is going to get blacked. Because of this, I buy games that I like. I feel as though whites still have sway over video games. "Woke" games are the minority.
Why do piracy generates so much butthurt on Ganker?
I don't see people b***hing around this much for downloading a movie, capeshit or not, to watch
butthurt over piracy has always, since its inception with napster, kazaa, limewire, etc., ALWAYS!!! been exclusively from people that are too incompetent to do it themselves. they've near-universally attempted to and failed in one way or another, whether it was getting a cease-and-desist from their ISP, or just not knowing how to mount an image. the "support the XYZ!!!" angle is the most blatant and little dick energy cope i've ever seen.
>not knowing how to mount an image
The funniest thing about this is that Windows has been progressively making this task easier. It's now it's as simple as double-clicking the image.
It's weird how now i can just mount an image with a from-the-box pc.
Last I checked it didn't understand bin/cue or mds, only iso.
Sure, but nowadays most installers come either imageless or in an ISO, anyway.
Why do so many people feel the need to justify piracy?
I've never felt guilty about it. I acknowledge that it's stealing. If there's an opportunity to get something for free, then I'm taking it.
I draw the line at real world things, but I think the fear of consequences is the only thing that keeps me from doing it.
>I acknowledge that it's stealing.
It's not tho. If it was, it would be called theft.
His point is that he doesn't care either way because its consequence free, what you call it is besides the point
He doesn't care if it was theft, he will care even less if its piracy
For what its worth, I've been on the AAA industry for 14 years and most of my co-workers pirate software and mod their consoles
>people getting 40 gorillian years in prison and half their salary for touching nintendo games
>dmca taking down legitimate reverse engineering products
>corporations trying to make punishments more severe despite no evidence it affects them
>don't say anything bro
I refuse to consider it stealing because that just leads down the slippery slope of letting corporates rewrite our laws.
>did you go over to a friend's house and watch his netflix? You didn't pay us you filthy thief! that'll be 50,000 dollars in penalties and fines!
I refuse.
>letting corporates rewrite our laws
by bezos, that's a horrible thing to say on our holiest holiday of Prime Week
>piracy isn't stealing therefore it's not a crime
I think this has to be the most moronic argument that everyone still continues to make for some reason. Two separate things can be crimes.
>the action or offense of taking another person's property without permission or legal right and without intending to return it; theft.
The video games you buy on steam aren't your property when you buy them, when you buy a game on steam you bought the right to play it under their terms and services,that right in itself is flimsy given valve reserves the right to do anything they want with the access you have to your 'library' for any reason, for all intents and purposes it's theirs when on their platform.
When you pirate you aren't taking the license and you can't even return something that no one has to begin with.
>piracy is the go to excuse for any game that fails to sell what the publisher deems to be the expected amount
>gradually reduce physical copies of games until the point where all you get is a CD-key to redeem a digital copy that you use to play with a mandatory DRM launcher
>in spite of purchasing digital only copies, games still don't sell the trillion dollar expected amount that the publishers set for themselves
>must be those damn, meddling pirates!
>force even more intrusive DRM onto customers to the point where they don't even really own their games anymore
>still blame pirates when the games don't sell
>all during this time, fellow consumers blame their own for being pirates
If its a western game blackrock already paid for it. The dev doesn't need my money anymore.
Land?
The morally correct way to handle piracy vs paying for games is so simply and braindead that Its kinda fricking sad no one ITT has pointed it out yet. You pirate games that you arent sure about and if you think that the game deserves its price tag then you pay for it. If the game is good but its not worth the price tag, you wait for a sale and buy it. If the game wasnt very good then you dont buy it. I do this all the time, no matter what. If a game is good and I pirate it I will eventually buy it when the price matches the amount of enjoyment I got out of it. Sometimes games are so good though that they are worth MORE than their asking price, and so I purchase more than one copy (usually on steam and switch).
This way I as a consumer am not fricked over by shitty business practices from shitty fricking corporations trying to rape all my money from me, and actually good developers are not fricked over and end up getting the money that they deserve. Everybody wins. Use piracy as an extremely extended demo.
nobody pointed it out because it's fricking stupid and unrealistic to expect any large percentage of people to actually do this in any consistent way. i have done this before (pirated elden ring, played 3/4 of the way through it, then bought it and manually edited by IDs in the savefile to transfer over), but i'd be full of shit if i said i do it every single time a game is worth the price. i do it when the mood strikes me or when i decide having rapid updates would be a better experience than having to download piecemeal cracked updates (had to do this with wrath of the righteous most recently).
>omori moron worldview
I just like free shit.
Just downloaded the new Guardians of the Galaxy movie and going to watch it now.
Will read a pirated book before bed as well.
Nobody cares if it's not vidya
I used to steal the demo cds that came with magazines back in the 90s
I had a technique for doing it in one go without making noise:
>scout the CD I wanted
>heat pocket knife with lighter
>palm it
>stand for a second in front of the magazine with the CD
>extend my arm as if to grab a magazine further away, while keeping my body between the CD I wanted and the store clerk
>flip the knife
>run it along the bottom of the magazine
>catch dropping CD with the inside of my jacket
>palm knife
>walk away
I would go to a different magazine stand each month to get the fresh ones, easily I got about 40 or 50 of these in a couple of years
My family had the money, I just enjoyed stealing
>Have the best library in the existence of Mankind thanks to the internet, where you can store and share all matters of knowledge, data, accomplishements, art, entertainement, et ceteta
>WAAAAH YOU HAVE TO USE THE INTERNET AS A HEAVILY MODERATED SOCIAL HUB! YOUR ENTIRE BLOODLINE DESERVES TO GET SUED FOR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ITS DATA SHARING CAPACITIES
Moralgays should kill themselves tbh
one thing that changed during the last decade is how pirates too can contribute to company by engaging with the game on social meda (twitch, youtube) and how you cant pirate MP games
back in 00s, if you were able to pirate a game (and you could) it was done - the sale was lost, and that was it. nowadays, even the game can be pirated, as in, not MP-based, pirates will go watch videos and talk about it on socials to up some numbers
>the sale was lost
There was never going to be a sale in the first place.
Also I remember using the cracked steam to play CS just fine, back in like 2005.
The pirated copy of BF2 also worked with official servers for some reason.
I always found that argument to be dumb. I wasn't going to buy it anyway so it's not a lost sale. Yes it is you dumb frick. You got a paid product for free. Even if you weren't going to buy it it's still a lost sale
So what if i get it for free? They were never going to get my money.
Seems like your problem is "experiencing" something for free.
What if i just download i, but never play it and let it sit on my PC for a year.
is it piracy because I got the game or is it not piracy because I didn't play it?
Either way they didn't get any money.
>They were never going to get my money.
This is why society cannot have nice things. People like you have poor manners, and need to be taken out into the woods and have a shotgun blast to your head, so the rest of your society can enjoy nice things without worrying about parasites. Stop justifying your parasitism.
Stop pirating porn.
All those poor girls need to eat as well.
then maybe they should start to swallow
Maybe game devs should just code money instead.
it's called "microtransactions"
That seems very extreme and uncalled for. It would also cost way more to do that then you would lose from sales
I don't care either way but to me, justifying by saying you weren't going to pay for it anyway it's just dumb. To me personally, it sounds like a flimsy excuse
>I don't care b-but...
Seems like you do care
I just think it's a dumb argument. I've pirated things before and I'm not a corporate bootlicker. Just to me personally that's one of the weakest piracy arguments
How is there a better argument them you were never ever ever going to buy it?
What's a "good argument"?
Don't tell me you're one of those "revolutionaries" that thinks he's part of some epic resistance ready to overthrow the evil mega companies, because that's as pathetic as you can get.
Frick no, those people are the absolute worst. To me anything above I wanted free shit is just cope.
That and I like to try games before I buy them
I don't delude myself into thinking I can make a difference, but every time something bad happens to a megacorp, I smile. Failure of metaverse was the best joyride recently, I hate Zuckerbeg so fricking much.
The best argument is "I already paid you, I'm not paying you again". Simple as that. If you already were compensated, who the hell are you to browbeat me for wanting to play the game again?
So what if you borrow it from a friend? That's 1 sale that could've been 2 sales. A lost sale. Hence it's theft.
You’re an unitonic socialist if you support piracy.
Pirating because you're broke or you like free stuff is the only acceptable and true answer. Anything else is just cope
>I'm selling thing
>Therefore you owe me money!
Publisher entitlement.
Keep on pirating then wonder why every game is online only GAAS goyslop
>People! People! Your games are now subscription services because of software pirates! That's right, software pirates!
This is how publisher sounds when saying this shit and here you are, believing them.
there are so many offline single player games that break records that it's ridiculous that anyone has to remind gays like you. TOTK just came out; same as dead space, GOW:R, etc. you're either a loser amateur dev that makes phone games or worse: a corpo sycophant consoomer that doesn't bother to look up statistics or numbers for literally any of the emotional garbage that comes out of your mouth.
Demake space sold worse than callisto shitocol and that game flopped. I agree with you but it would be far more content to say Hogwarts legacy, you fricking simpleton
>it would be far more content to say Hogwarts legacy
you're probably right but i kind of forgot that game existed and when just rattling off recent releases that came to mind. could probably pull up a google search's worth of games to crush the idea that GAAS games are mandatory because of piracy.
>vote with your wallet goyim
Get fricked, israelite.
You have a moral obligation to frick over corpos, because make no mistake, they work day and night nigh tirelessly to frick every one of your holes.
Also I've never pirated games. Emulation is neither theft nor "piracy", whatever the frick that means.
goyslop thread
I sincerely believe that if the IP changed hands, the new owner deserves nothing. You are not the creator, you don't deserve to profit from this - simple as that. The law disagrees with me, but I consider this law to be incorrect.
I would go one step further and say by law the IP should only ever belong to the actual creatives behind it. Not the publishers, ever.
So what about the most best selling book in the history of humankind?
The original author died millenia ago.
Public domain and no one should profit off of it.
But they do profit from it.
They should not.
Why? They are still producing copies of it and giving them to people who want them. Why shouldn't they profit off of that?
Profit is a sin
What an absurd and practically-impossible notion
t. defender of usury
I'm profiting off of an interaction with another person if I so much as get a good feeling out of it. Profit literally just means 'getting some benefit from something'
Public domain means anyone is allowed to reproduce and sell copies of it
Which is fair enough, if I print copies of To Kill a Mockingbird I can sell them for money, and similarly if people online are freely willing to pay me for digital copies of them instead of seek out free ones from elsewhere, then that's fair too.
the digital book should be free or have a cost that goes exclusively to pay server costs
the physical book should only cost how much it was to put it together and distribute it, no royalties
You can easily and legally get a free bible off a google search. People who sell it charge for a printed copy and I'd wager anyone can do it.
What if I, as the owner of the product, want to sell it to someone to profit off of?
Dumb. When you pay to see a show at a theater you don't own the show, and seeing it without a ticket is tantamount to stealing. If anything your crusade about ownership would hold more weight if you bought games and then cracked them, but it's not about ownership, it's about being a cheap piece of shit despite video games offering the highest dollar to time spent ratio of any entertainment currently available.
I think IP laws should only apply at most 50 years after creation and publication
50 years or until the original creator dies if it was never sold off.
True. I used to think until the creators death, but then companies would just claim ownership. Although I don't understand why IPs of companies that went bankrupt don't become public domain
Let's assume you have and idea, make a game and it doesn't sell, so you're forced into bankruptcy.
It doesn't seem very fair that just because your idea didn't make money, you aren't allowed to own it anymore.
Ok, but when Silicon Knights went under, shouldn't Eternal Darkness become public domain
Why?
Why shouldn't it? No one else is going to use it
>Why shouldn't it? No one else is going to use it
The original owner might still want to use it. You'd feel pretty shitty if your ideas were taken from you because "why not".
That's probably the best pro-piracy argument I've seen.
i'm giving the troony a pass on this one lads
it's spitting only facts
I don't care about piracy but the logic is flawed. You can steal a rental car, even though you can't own it. If your response is that a rental car is a physical object and a game isn't, then you circle right back to the debate over whether piracy is bad in general, thus negating this person's argument.
>even though you can't own it.
You very much can just buy it from the owner.
I want to pirate the Phantom Pain, has any anon played a pirated version? The basic mechanics of the game have so many always online bullshit mechanics ham-fisted into it, I wonder how a pirated version of the game works.
Can someone confirm that the game works just fine as-is?
Should "damages the sales" be an actual argument from a moral point of view?
I mean, not being allowed to point a gun at people forcing them to buy your product also damages the sales. Why should we even care about the sales? People buy what they want to buy.
>NOOOOOOO STOP PIRATING
no
your tears are fricking delicious
https://gizmodo.com/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-found-piracy-do-1818629537
>buy a game.
>It's rightfully your property.
>you feel generous and share it with people.
>they somehow are stealing something you're sharing for free.
HUH!?! I'M GOING LOCO HERE!?!
Funny how nobody is defending Netflix cracking down on account sharing and are instead calling them out for being greedy, but game piracy is somehow a big no no.
Honestly speaking buying videogames must be the most cucked thing you could do
>buy a new car
>works fine, just need a few adjustments every few thousand miles
>buy a game in the current year
>no box, printed manual and art book
>runs like shit, takes a few patches to make it work if the devs feel like it
>it's not even the complete experience because you still need to pay DLCs that sum up another $70
>still runs like shit despite being scammed paying twice for cut content
Seriously this industry needs to be burn to the ground
Don't buy unfinished shit. I don't.
piracy for non profiting reasons should be legal. and it would be if you were actually allowed to own your games/movies and not being a cuck to corpolords.
>buy car
>let friend use it
>sued by toyota
losing potential customers isn’t a valid reason, it makes no sense
Look at all the subhuman shitskins trying to justfy piracy lmao. Can't wait for anti-piracy softwere to develop to the point they are forever filtered out of gaming
act broke stay rich. only brainwashed plebs would ever post like you.
It's just a matter of time then all of you sea monkey slavshit russians and Black folk will be out of gaming
you see that fun frog in the picture there?
thats me.
look a little past him you see a guy crying? thats you.
>All cracker teams have given up because of denuvo
>all that is left is some pajeet troon that is also about to give up
>i'm the one mad, not him
I'll keep buying videogames as long as I want. What about you Black person?