A dev revealed the past year and a half PoE has been developed by a skeleton crew of 8 people
Keep in mind, those 8 people have produced more content than the 600 dev team at Diablo 4
He also said since they pushed the launch up they are putting people back in PoE 1, so the league qualities will go up dramatically. Start playing PoE now
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not really poe got frick all for content since like 3.17
Read the OP again
not touching poe 1 ever again, sorry.
Play PoE. The league qualities will improve
Now is literally the worst time to play PoE because PoE2 is just gonna change everything anyway
The 1 GAME 2 CAMPAIGNS dream is dead now. POE 2 will be a separate game that no one is going to play after the first month.
If this is true you're just in denial
Everybody is gonna stop playing PoE1 and start playing 2 because obviously GGG are going to put more work into 2
In fact they will likely stop supporting 1 at all eventually
This is actually a very smart move from GGG because the biggest problem PoE has is getting new players because it's become too daunting, complex, and insular
PoE2 is the perfect opportunity for them to wipe the slate clean and entice new players
Obviously PoE 2 will be very popular on release and probably a few more leagues but will it have the same holding power as PoE 1? 1 year down the line? Impossible to say
Buddy, do you really think that people will slog through the path of ruthless campaign more than once? It's going to be a lot longer than PoE 1, and the speed was the first game's selling point. Or more what people liked and they tried to patch out.
The change will alienate a lot of former fans.
>Everybody is gonna stop playing PoE1 and start playing 2 because obviously GGG are going to put more work into 2
Until you realize actually nobody wants to hit 16 buttons and only do damage when the enemy occasionally gets frozen under a mistletoe when jupiter is visible in the sky, then your ability hits for a real number.
Nobody wants to run around those terribly designed zones they showed off that are just purposely oversized with no good layout to slow you down.
If that's the gameplay, everyone will unironically go back to poe1 or quit altogether.
>new players
poe is never getting new players, what a dumb fricking dream. "oh squenix are seeking new younger players with ff16" same shit every time, it NEVER WORKS. literally never, not once, anywhere. poe2s tree is larger than the current one, it has twice the classes and ascendancies, it has 500 more buttons you *NEED* to hit, it has balance designed around dodge rolling every hit as you've seen one hit from shit almost killing people instantly.
It is not going to get new players, it is going to be just as daunting. The only reason they're splitting it up is so they can nerf the shit out of everything and say "nooo its okay see its still in poe1 as usual"
My dad is nearly 60, he plays most poe leagues. He will not play poe2, or he will and he will hate it because he does not have the reactions to do 500 button and dodge roll combat. Neither do normies or casuals
I won't lie, this constant dodge mechanic, having a separate hotkey instead of a blink skill gem sounds too zoomer shit for my liking.
It's not though.
>DON'T YOU GUYS LIKE ELDEN RING
>Now is literally the worst time to play PoE
PoE 2 Beta comes out in 1 year.
And another fricking thread. No. I will not play a F2P mobile-tier garbage, sorry. Now frick off and take your shitty Tencent gacha with you.
>https://www.pathofexile.com/purchase
excuse me but wtf are these prices?
I thought "supporter back" was like a bundle for 20-30$ and you get a bunch of stuff
turns out you pay 30-90$ to get 1 effect
wtf
poe mtx have always been insanely overpriced
PoE is free.
PoE 2 is also free.
Diablo 4 cost $100
You also have to pay for:
Premium Battle Pass
Premium Battle Pass Tier Skip
Premium Shop with 250+ items since day 1
Premium Platinum Currency
Planned 'DLC' $70 each
Planned 'D4 Token' (you don't lose gold when dying on hc = incoming D4 Token)
Literal Pay to Win. They said you can't buy power, but you can buy battle pass tier skips = battle pass 'blessings' additional gold, reduced vendor cost, increased rare drop ect. Sure you can get these free...if you complete the pass which takes 2 months, or p2w it all on day 1.
PoE has worse monetisation by a mile. The game is designed around inconvenience and will sell you the solution. You will never have that with a b2p game. If you defend f2p scam tactics, you are lost.
What a moronic post. I’ve dished out about 40 bucks and ive gotten way more than i realistically need.
Selling a solution is true but the total cost is way below $70
They also give you the stashes for the new mechanics for free because they realized this was an issue.
>The game is designed around inconvenience and will sell you the solution.
Sure, but by the time you have more than enough stash tabs to play comfortably you will have spent less than the face value of diablo 4
Lol, if you buy the necessary tabs: currency, map, fragment, unqiue, divination, essence, and a special tab at least, you are already well in the 50s, if not 70 bucks. Same price as D4. Moot point, only that it is still a hassle to collect and sort your loot, compared to D4. The system is terrible due to being a f2p game.
>unique
Not necessary
>welll into 50
Lol
Easily necessary for any noob. It frees the most space and a noob will not have an idea about which is worth picking up or not. Don't come back with check le market. Nobody is going to stop and check the worth of each item once they hit a town. You are doing anyone and the game a disservice.
Even if you pick up a ton of shit and just dump it into a quad tab, you're not likely to fill it up in a hundred hours of gameplay.
Unique tab is not even close to necessary and I'd even say it's detrimental since it only holds one of each item
If a unique drops for you its worthless, simple as
>That unique belt on the ground? Heh, can't be good bro.
That's the thing, you are already a long time with the game. Some noob isn't and will not have the knowledge, hence will pick up all uniques.
>Some noob isn't and will not have the knowledge, hence will pick up all uniques.
again, I was that noob at one point with my 10 normal stash tabs and I never struggled for space. This copmlaint only exists in theory as anyone who actually plays the game knows it's totally fine even if you spend minimal cash
I don't even use my unique tab, it's strictly for autists who want to le collect every unique
If you drop a headhunter the lootfilter will make it very obvious its a super duper rare item.
>Nobody is going to stop and check the worth of each item once they hit a town.
Ok, but even if this were true, a Unique tab only holds one of any given unique. So if you're not pricing items and you're just keeping them because "LOL SHINY COLOR LOL!" then what the frick are you going to do with the extra ones? You're going to sell them to a vendor, or you're going to price them to see if they're worth trading, or you're going to just stop picking them up because the tab is useless.
The only thing necessary about this is that it teaches you to get out of the moronic WoW-logic mindset. Also, any sane fricking human being will likely see that they have an open world chat full of people and say "Hey, is it worth it to buy this tab?" and be told no. The idea that people will just play the game in a bubble and make whatever moronic first-take snap decisions that pop into their head without thinking about it is fricking stupid.
If they got a second or third of the same unique, they know at least that it's not as rare as others. But the convenience of not needing to check on each item, because you don't have the space is freedom to play the game.
Just checked. If you buy on sale and you get a Gem, Currency, Div, Map, Essence, Fragment, 2 premium tabs, 1 quad and 1 regular bundle it's $63, cheaper than diablo 4 and that's more stash tabs than you realistically need. Unique stash tab for example is totally useless.
Only useless to people who are long with the game and use a super strict filter.
I've played the game long before the unique tab existed and it never felt necessary. It was one of the worst received stash tabs for this reason. Buying the bundle is much better for a new player (same price)
Gem isn't really needed Div isn't really needed
I honestly don't even think a regular bundle tab is needed. If you wanted to be really stingy the Quad tab can be used as your primary selling tab instead of using 2 premium tabs. I do think that the Oil tab is necessary just for the simple fact that you can combine oils in that tab instead of talking to the quest girl.
yeah fair you could replace gem or div with oil. But unless you're running like dozens of blight maps, how often are you anointing shit?
I was mostly going for "more than the average player could need" just to prove even if you go for overkill it's still cheaper than diablo 4
Stop hoarding 1c trashes.
Even div stash tab is a noob trap. Collecting all those div cards and you think you make a couple chaos each time but in reality you're just wasting time
>Yo bro, stop picking up items in a game about items.
I bought map, currency 2 premiums and 1 basic stash tab for less than 20.
If I spent more I would definitely get a fragment tab.
I wouldn't mind essence, div card, and unique tabs but that's only because pseudo self found and horde shit, judicious filters can solve that problem.
That's like $25 bucks at best and that's only when you want to engage with the absolute endgame red maps. You're not getting enough drops to worry about before that.
> It's a real bargain bro!
> Trust me, bro!
> It's totally not a gacha, bro!
> You won't need to pay ever (until the endgame), bro!
> It's totally free, bro!
> But I somehow paid 25 bucks, bro!
> I totally didn't just make all this shit up, bro!
The absolute state of zombies.
The argument wasn't that the game was free.
The argument was that POE costs as much as D4.
moron.
Kid. I'm saying you people are lying.
paying 25 bucks
vs
paying 70 bucks
yeah hmm i really can't decide what the better deal is
>You guys are zombies!
>70 bucks for a broken game where stash tabs lag the game to oblivion? Sign me in!
What game? How is it that the moment anybody calls out this f2p scam there is always some other game you zombies automatically blame? Hmm? You are an addict. You'll say anything to cover your sunk cost fallacy. You are a liar and shill, because it took 4 threads in the space of an hour before this one stuck, and now there suddenly no more new threads. Very convenient, very blatantly obvious.
So feel free to frick off any time and understand that a cash shop riddled f2p always online gaas, is shit. Was shit, is shit, and always will be shit due to the nature of that business practice you gyrating disingenuous fricking moronic marketing bot.
>Hmm?
What are you, Linkara?
The ONLY inconvenience you can pay to bypass is stash QOL.
You do not need the stash for the campaign at all, period.
You can do early maps without it too. I've got thousands of hours with just maps/currency/3x specials and a div card tab I barely use. That's maybe $30 to access the deep endgame, if that's predatory monetization then frick me I guess.
I had well over a hundred hours before spending a cent on the game
It's actually not free at all. It's also why I avoid it now. I would buy this game full price if it meant it had all the content. But cool shit is gated behind cash shops, the grind is bullshit, and every step of the crafting process is cancer. It's a shame, because I like arpgs, but the F2P scam is too much for me. Might as well be playing some F2P android garbage.
Is this some reverse shill? Where you're trying to praise PoE and make D4 look bad but you're obviously lying. So I want to do the opposite of what you're advertising
>To be ladder competitive you need to pay for the battle pass skip
Tying character power to the battle pass is the most moronic thing they could have done.
Learn what is pay to win you demented Gankertard, the battle pass is cosmetic
the only way PoEshills can shit on D4 is by lying
you can also use steambux for PoE, while you obviously can't for D4
I sold some old anime trading cards and some TF2 shit to get tabs
PoE dev here
ACTUAL. I live on the shore in Auckland.
Our studio in Henderson has frickall car spaces and we have to pay for our own parking
(it gets 'refunded' but half the time they frick you on this)
Chris Wilson cannot drive a car he ubers in every day.
Jonathan drives like an original model Tesla which is pretty cringe.
Mark2 drives a beamer with "RUCKUS" as the number plate.
Literally the entire company has been working on PoE1 the whole time. We've actually been overworked split working between the two projects. Literally the entire company paused PoE2 development to make Heist league etc, all hands on deck.
Whoever said "8 people made all the PoE1 shit for the past year" is like minutely true in the fact that all the recent PoE1 content is just stolen PoE2 content we can't use anymore (I believe Sanctum was PoE1 tileset that's gunna be awkward now)
"Kalandra" aka the big bird npc was just ripped from something that wasn't originally Kalandra that was gunna be in PoE2. PoE1 just been stealing focus from PoE2 the entire time.
PoE2 Act 1 has barely changed since the last Exilecon. PoE2 development has been SLOW AS FRICK. Other devs have made like 3 games in the time we've made this one game.
The "700 new monsters" shit is also bullshit. They're all just reskins of each other and reskins of poe1 stuff. They count all the reskins of Goatman as different monsters probably.
proof?
PoE dev here
Last night I went to australian applebee's and did a sick backflip and then everybody clapped shit was dope as hell
totally fricking rad
holy shit dude, sick!
>Mark2 drives a beamer with "RUCKUS" as the number plate.
The thing is, I know this is true. And I know it because I was at a con in Aukland. So if this detail is online, the guy is likely lying. But if not...
Given Tencent treats it's assets like shit, I wouldn't be surprised a disgruntled dude speaks out. But who knows. I guess we'll see when it ships.
>8 people
can't you just like hire more people?
>Literally the entire company paused PoE2 development to make Heist league etc
Grim
Got any more interseting stuff about Chris, the design philosophy, or GGG in general?
>trying this fricking hard to shitpost because you got filtered by the game so bad
Imagine seething at a joke. GGG players have thinner skins than an 8 year old ballerina girl whose drunk father yells at her she'll never be good.
why won’t the jannies ban these obvious viral marketer threads?
being allowed to market is a part of the financial model since they cant stop it anyway
hence why every board is 30% shill posts at all times
because money, /v its shilled for more than a decade, from nintendo games, sony games, cod, AC, etc. Now we have BG3, next its Starfield or AC6.
bg3 shills? you see them during day time, Europe and India hours.
Too many cooks in the kitchen is a bad thing after all.
>A dev revealed the past year and a half PoE has been developed by a skeleton crew of 8 people
Whoa, really? I didn't even notice. /s
The only good thing they showcased was sanctum in core. Poe 2 looks like shit and considering decision to push back poe 2 was done long ago, kalandra and current leagues are shit on purpose.
They change a few numbers around, recycle a few encounters and make players grind that shit for hundreds of hours. This isn't content.
so poo2 will be a separete game and not like overwatch2 which was kinda like an expansion? that sounds kinda moronic no? splitting the playerbase
It's not splitting the playerbase if the two games are very different and that seems to be the case so far. People who like poe2 gameplay are unlikely to like poe1 and vice versa. People who like both will now get two leagues per cycle and thus more retention.
It's a pretty genius strategy as long as they have enough resources to support both games adequately
The vast majority of people play PoE for like 3 weeks up to a month. The league goes on for like 3-4 months, so there is a lot of dead space there. The plan is that they want to stagger the releases of new seasons so that they start when of of them reached the halfway point so that all the people are caught in a constant state of PoE 1/2 with little downtime.
At least that's the plan. No clue if it will pan out.
It will absolutely not work, sorry.
They’re just deluded if they think people want to play, for the most part, the same game for that long. Obviously some will but a lot wont
Well, let's see. We are talking about a company that can't get the piece of shit they've poured all their resources into for years, out of the door. Every league is shittier than the previous one, and now they've taken a hostile attitude against their core playerbase that keep telling them to stop fricking with drop rates and monster defenses and actually develop at least SOME content.
You think those people are capable of operating two live service games at the same time, when they clearly don't give a shit about the one they already have, outside of macrotransaction sales? Come on.
>Every league is shittier than the previous one, and now they've taken a hostile attitude against their core playerbase
I think you're just not capable of not being a fricking schizo.
What a unique perspective, and such a well reasoned argument. You have a bright future ahead of you in politics.
>t. contrarian homosexual who imagines that the developers have some agenda to make the game unfun and lose money
>contrarian homosexual who imagines that the developers have some agenda to make the game unfun and lose money
Never said any of that, strawmanning moron.
They clearly stated that they want people to play the leagues longer, and there's documentation on both their changes to reduce loot and increase monster defenses. You are dipshit homosexual.
>they've taken a hostile attitude against their core playerbase
That's exactly what you said, moron
>there's documentation on both their changes to reduce loot and increase monster defenses
Monster defenses are lower than ever and player power is higher than ever. Like I said, you're a fricking schizo who makes shit up.
How fricking delusional are you? Did you forget that these nigggers bailed on reddit of all places because they got upset that people weren't drinking the kool-aid anymore?
Every time somebody points out that they don't like the direction that the game is going, which is zero content and more bullshit to pad out your playtime, the devs take that exact toddler attitude that you have and either take passive-aggressive jabs at the players or insult them directly.
Fricking moron.
>Monster defenses are lower than ever
Frick off. Funny how you keep leaving out every part of my posts that you don't have an excuse for. Like the loot, or the skeleton crew of eight that can't even manage to make new content.
Redditors literally sent death threats to PoE developers
Holy shit. Do you get paid by nigggers or something?
just go back to plebbit if all you want is to cry about how you favorite skill got nerfed and now you have to find a new guide to follow
the devs abandoned reddit because it's a cesspool of worthless feedback
Do you consider lake of kalandra a good league? Yes or no please.
didn't play it. patch notes seemed pretty unremarkable
>patch notes seemed pretty unremarkable
Thats because they removed loot from the game, put it into loot goblins and forgot to mention it. People were calling MF service from TFT to get loot.
Yeah, that bullshit doesn't work on me. Sorry. You can whine as much as you want, but everyone can see none of you dumb fricks actually addressed anything I said, you just threw a tantrum.
Fricking grow up.
because you're not actually saying anything, you're just whining about devs abandoning the cesspool that is reddit and complaining about things getting nerfed because you're a redditbrained homosexual who wants to oneshot every boss in the game with 0 effort
You are talking to two different anons, absolute moron. I'm the guy making the point that the only thing Wilson cares about is player retention throughout the leagues so he can sell you virtual dogs to frick.
>the only thing Wilson cares about is player retention throughout the leagues
so he cares about objective metrics instead of people whining while still playing the game? sounds pretty smart
>nooo the loot is distributed slightly differently now
yeah I really couldn't care less. at least you got the holy trinity of redditposting by whining about tft as well
>so he cares about objective metrics instead of people whining while still playing the game? sounds pretty smart
No, moron. He cares about keeping the playersbase hostage for longer and longer, because he read from some chink psychology book that it makes people more likely to spend money. Now, if his tool for achieving that goal was more actual content, great, but since he has eight people working on the piece of shit, the best he can do is nerf the drop rates and buff the monsters. Do you get it yet?
>waah they're holding me hostage
>t-they're GASLIGHTING US!!!!
I love how dramatic redditors are. It's a videogame, no one is being emotionally abused or held hostage.
If you're no longer enjoying the videogame, simply stop playing. If you are enjoying the videogame, what's the problem?
If you're too moronic to figure out whether or not you're enjoying the videogame then I don't know what to tell you.
Okay, you are either a completely piece of shit or actually employed by those nigggers. You are now trying to pretend that people who caught GGG lying and padding the fricking game are just being hysterical liars.
Frick. You.
how were GGG 'caught lying', exactly? Please be specific, this should be good
They stated, in no clear terms, that the loot remained unchanged, and that they only removed "a historical bonus" or whatever the frick they called it. The actual result was playing act 1 and barely even seeing blue items.
Then they pivoted to saying they fricked with the loot, but it only affected people in the highest tier of content, running parties.
When players actually did their own tests and started comparing drop rates, then they finally admitted that they completely gutted the loot.
>then they finally admitted that they completely gutted the loot.
this did not happen. Why do redditors just make shit up when confronted with reality?
People being too moronic to understand they were nerfing league content bonuses isn't mean they lied
Okay, then it's your turn. You explain, in your words, what happened. Go ahead.
barely anything "happened". league content bonuses were nerfed into the ground because map juicing was completely out of control. rare monsters and their modifiers were rebalanced which includes the quant and rarity modifiers but ended up being about the same on average
delusional redditors started making up baseless stories about how loot was removed with no evidence and then homosexuals like you started claiming ggg was caught "lying"
Now please show evidence of the supposed lying. I already know you won't because it doesn't exist, but thought I'd ask anyway
There's no convincing idiots like you. You'll keep sucking the kool-aid out of Chris' dick until the sun burns out.
>asked for evidence of outlandish claim
>immediately revert to namecalling
it'd be funny if it weren't so predictable
I explained to you, in detail what happened. You said "nuh-uh" and called me a liar, so what fricking sources do you want me to cite for you, homosexual?
you made some shit up, I asked for evidence of the supposed "lying" and you started crying. Shouldn't be hard to prove the lying if it's so obvious right? But nah, every time this argument comes up people like you are apparently too angry to provide evidence for the thing that definitely happened. "just take my word for it bro!!"
You still never posted the proof to them admitting that they gutted the loot, like you've stated in your post. Instead you just go ad hom on some anon instead
Stop embarassing yourself anon, seriously
And how the frick am I gonna do that, when every piece of "evidence" is from players gathering the data themselves, which you'll dismiss as reddit shit or something? I'm so fricking tired of you apologists.
And I'm tired of you making statements and then expecting everyone else to jump right at you and post proof of you being a lying homosexual
You should be the one starting with some evidence if you're making a claim, otherwise you're just a lying homosexual and nobody has any obligation to disprove anything you say, only call you a moron and move on
>You should be the one starting with some evidence if you're making a claim, otherwise you're just a lying homosexual and nobody has any obligation to disprove anything you say, only call you a moron and move on
Why? I don't give a shit if you believe me. And the fact that you are this upset about me even talking about GGG's bullshit just means that you are true believer. So what the frick do I have to gain from trying to convince someone like you? Seriously, tell me.
>the game is consistently growing for the last decade
If you truly think that, good for you. I wish you and the game a prosperous future. But I'm fricking done. I'm telling you right now.
Why should anybody listen to you if you don't play the game yourself? Why should GGG listen to any of your criticisms when you're so obviously not the target audience for the game?
>least insane blizzdrone
tambout your image btw not your post
>Why should anybody listen to you if you don't play the game yourself?
What the frick are you talking about? I check every league, sometimes I even play to the maps. There's never any actual new content, thanks to the skeleton crew, and now on top of that we get undocumented nerfs and changes every league that only serve to make the game more tedious.
I can talk about whatever I want, homosexual.
Yes, a game that I used to love. Which is why I put this much effort to explaining why I no longer do. Are you all clinically moronic or something?
>"sometimes I even play to the maps"
>he plays the fricking campaign
>he barely gets to the fricking maps
>and he judges the whole content based on campaign, saying there is nothing to be seen
HOLY FRICK way to expose yourself, LMAO
No, idiot, I've cleared the entire endgame with every character except Templar which I hate. Why would I want to play standard to clear shit that I've already done, only slower thanks to nerfs?
Do you even get what you're saying?
You say that there is no content, while you refuse to play the game to experience the new content.
You're literally closing your eyes and complaining you can't see anything.
You have to be baiting, there is absolutely no way you're being serious.
>You say that there is no content, while you refuse to play the game to experience the new content.
What new content? What the actual frick are you talking about?
>What the frick are you talking about? I check every league, sometimes I even play to the maps.
So you're like an angry ex-girlfriend for Path of Exile who simultaneously says you're a shitty man a total loser yet can't help but keep texting every single day.
That's just how I talk. And the only reason I'm even thinking about the game was because I thought the Exilecon was going to be the POE2 announcement and this maintenance mode bullshit would finally end.
>constantly keep playing the game while entering every thread screaming about how much you hate it
peak homosexualry honestly. I feel sorry for you.
I have no clue who you think I am, but the only reason I'm spending time arguing about this today is the disappointing Exilecon.
I know, you wanted chris to get on stage and announce how they're buffing character damage by 500% and all loot by 10000% because that's all you reddit gays care about
No, I wanted to Chris to announce that POE2 launches this year, so that they can stop withholding 4 years worth of dev time.
>why don't they just release it not instead of when it's done??? I WANT IT NOOOOWWWW!!!!!
I hope for your sake that you actually are a child
Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about you.
demanding everything exactly to your liking and right now is how children behave because they haven't yet learned that they're not the center of the universe
And around and round we go. I don't like shit being nerfed for the sake of padding gameplay, nor two years of skeleton crew while the actual team develops another product, and now suddenly I'm a child. Just shut the frick up already, you are not fooling anyone, shill.
Player power is higher than ever
Most builds have millions of DPS on top of being tanky as frick
And you're complaining about nerfs.
Stop being a moron.
What the frick does that have anything to do with what I just said, butthole?
He knows his game is suffering and he's looking to lash out at anything or anyone. It is well known that GGG rotates good and bad skills and there's periodic incredible nerfs to undeserving skills only because too many people play them. Also he's raging because the beta is so far away, he's calling you childish because he's projecting so hard. He's literally a moron and a shill.
It used to be you didn't, newbie.
>It used to be you didn't, newbie.
Yes, Harvest was nerfed for a good reason and you redditors never recovered when your easy instant win-button was taken away from you.
>your easy instant win-button was taken away from you.
Stop talking you baiting homosexual holy shit lmao
>nooo this thing you had to grind out for a lot of hours and that made okay items was broken
>why
>REEEEEEE BECAUSE I SAW STREAMERS MAKE PERFECT ITEMS AFTER A LOT OF HOURS SPENT DOING IT THATS NOT FAIR
rope yourself
No, he's talking about the fact that more of the player power was tied to support gems and passives. GGG has been steadily moving power away from those to items. The reason is obvious, but it has also made the game a fricking mess balance wise, because some archetypes now need a lot better gear to feel decent than before, which makes early game and maps a slog.
Sounds like they just brought Summoners down to the level of the rest of the game. Why should they have the easy win-mode going while all physical and most spell builds needed to farm for items?
No, minion builds did get hit, but they are fairly easy in early game. All melee skills got hit pretty hard, which made the already insanely valuable weapons even more important. Stuff like that.
I don't really keep up with every archetype anymore, since I don't play that much these days, but pretty much everything except the top skills got hit.
Melee got hit more by the monster hp buffs and Fortify nerf than support gem nerfs.
99% don't care about perfecting the build and killing Uber Exarch. They want to fight the big endgame bosses, win and then take a break until next League.
>lies
>lies
>lies
The only way to get millions of dps and be "tanky as frick" is to grind like a moron. You are the moron. Your game is grindy shit for morons.
>The only way to get millions of dps and be "tanky as frick" is to grind
You have to grind in this game?!
>Player power is higher than ever
No it isn't, player power is lower than 3.14. It always will be, because accessible player power is what matters.
>nooo look at crucible mr streamer man made a 2 mirror shield and does more dps than ever with the best rolls in the game
Cool, now how does the average player do with that build vs 3.14? Substantially worse. Player power that is locked behind top end rolls is not power that actually exists or matters for the playerbase.
>Most builds have millions of DPS
Millions of dps isn't actually enough, you sound like you don't play the game enough. Builds that do 1 or 2 mil are BAD BUILDS for a reason. Literally like 5-7 mil is what's necessary for a comfortable build, 4 at absolute minimum. And hitting that, whilst being significantly tanky, is not easy to achieve whatsoever without being the exact person I described above who can chase moronic top end roll multipliers that are far more power than anything else available to anyone else in the game.
I played 4 builds this league and killed all pinnacle bosses with 3 of them with none of them being more than 40ish divines budget, probably less. If you can't make a decent build without spending mirrors it's a skill issue
>killed pinnacle bosses
this is not an achievement, if you didn't kill ubers who the frick cares anon you can kill pinnacles on shit builds. if you want to farm pinnacles, you have to farm hundreds of them, which means your build needs to actually be fast and good. your "i killed eater once then quit the build" is not any kind of achievement or good metric
I also do not trust your claims or builds regardless, because I can say with relative confidence as this is the case for most players, your build was almost certainly not tanky enough. Which you would find out, if you did ubers, or 80% deli t16s, simulacrums wave 30s, or even just ran 6+ mod t16 maps and clicked all the eater/exarch altars in them. I imagine you done none of this though, you ran some basic safe maps, you killed the normal pinnacles once, then dipped I expect
>Uber Exarch is now a metric of if a build is viable or not.
You do realize only 0,01% of the playerbase ever gets that far? 99% of players quit the League way earlier than that, having killed around 1-3 pinnacle bosses.
I mean, you can think that if you want, I listed a whole host of other content that isn't "uber exarch". For example, is your build comfortably clearing elderslayer invitations, shaper invitations when rolled? If the answer is no, the build is shit. I only mention uber pinnacles in that post because he said pinnacles, and pinnacle bosses don't matter at all in their current design.
I meant to say uber pinnacle bosses, obviously. I did literally all of the shit you're talking about with the exception of wave 30 simulacrum. It's really not that hard to make good builds and if your complaint is that the absolute hardest content in the game is actually challenging then I will again invite you to stop being a homosexual
>o-only ubers matter!
>moving the fricking goalpost so bad
NTA, but you're a fricking moron. Uber bosses were designed for top end builds, complaining about that is like complaining that the sun fricking shines.
Pinnacle bosses are killable by most builds right now, and this is what 99% of the players are interested in and what the anon was talking about.
Nobody cares about your sweaty ass calling builds unplayable dogshit because they don't kill uber maven in 0.3 seconds.
>Pinnacle bosses are killable by most builds right now, and this is what 99% of the players are interested in and what the anon was talking about.
No they aren't, you can huff copium all you want it won't change it. Pinnacles are worthless, you have to farm hundreds of them to make profit or get the drop you want. 99% of players aren't doing that, 99% are killing it once then selling the subsequent invitations because it's not even worth doing in small numbers.
However 99% of those players are trying to do deli maps, blighted t16s, simulacrums, invitations, clicking 6 altars in a map, because that is the majority of the games content.
You still don't get it, do you?
99% of the players just want to play the game and clear content. You're assuming every single player cares about their epic div/hr and gigaprofits.
You don't understand that you're a minority with your autism.
shit is getting nerfed because shit was too strong and it's still fairly easy to make good builds.
You're crying because you can't dominate the game effortlessly. You're crying because devs aren't listening to reddit and making the game exactly as you like and you're crying because overpowered farming strategies are less overpowered. You're just a massive homosexual who only played the game to abuse the most broken shit and the moment anything got nerfed you started crying and never stopped.
>and it's still fairly easy to make good builds.
Yeah that's why nobody plays most of the skills anymore right? That's why rf, boneshatter etc shot up in playerbase every single league, because there are only a few skills that are actually viable to play, without dying, without moron levels of investment to make them good
So easy to make good builds though, definitely, because streamers play random shit to pass the time whilst they make $100 an hour and don't actually care if the build is good or sucks or goes nowhere because they can just start a new one as they continue to make $100 an hour
people play the same shit because most people either want to play whatever is the most overpowered or they all follow the same build guides. This is how it's always been despite tons of shit being viable. You just have to not be a homosexual and make a good build.
>either want to play whatever is the most overpowered or they all follow the same build guides.
No, this is not the cause, this is an effect of the actual cause. The actual cause is that players want to be strong, want to kill things fast, i.e not spend multiple minutes per shaper phase, and they want their character to generally not die.
Meeting these criteria has become increasingly difficult, support nerfs, defensive changes that made armour/evasion completely mandatory, that made suppression or 85+ max res mandatory, nerfs to values of modifiers.
The result is simply less builds, because as much as ggg want it to, the players criteria for what is fun to play is not going to change, it will never change no matter how hard they try to force it to. The only conclusion that will happen every single time is the list of builds people will even consider will shrink, because anytime they try to play the game without these criteria the game is inherently completely unfun. "oh maybe i dont need suppression this time it'll be okay" build is shit, dead. "oh maybe i dont need armour or evasion" build is shit, dead. "oh maybe i don't need 5k life absolute minimum" build is shit, dead. "maybe i don't need 5 mil dps i'll play this 1 mil dps build that has a skill i'd like to be good" whoops it was shit, dead. So they stop doing it, and continue to play builds with real defence, real damage, and that require no budget and can be played from league launch.
There's still plenty of builds that can get tanky enough for the endgame.
Go back on poe.ninja. There's always been a bunch of builds that everyone plays. Either because they like the skills or because they happen to be strong. There's plenty of builds that can hold their own in the hardest content with medium investment.
If you can't make a decent build then it's just a skill issue. People like mathil prove every league that you don't need to play meta shit or invest mirrors of currency to do endgame content
>There's still plenty of builds that can get tanky enough for the endgame.
>if i curiously leave out the investment required to make them so, i can pretend they're also viable
Doesn't work that way anon sorry.
>people like mathil
Holy frick, mathils builds ARE DOGSHIT lmao. They die, constantly, every fricking build he makes dies on its arse to random non uber pinnacle content. How often does he clear a wave 30 simu on his builds? Almost never, because they all fricking die because he doesn't build enough defence, enough life, and tries to meme or do things that are 'cool' but ultimately don't work well enough.
like I said, I played 3 different "off meta" builds this league all of which cleared uber pinnacle bosses with minimal deaths and rarely died anywhere else on <40div budget, which is nothing these days.
If you think a build is dogshit because it can't clear the most absolute overtuned content in the game then you're just a moron. I would rather difficult content be difficult instead of cuck shit like diablo where you can do whatever you want and still effortlessly beat everything. It's just the moronic reddit mentality of "I WANT TO BEAT ALL CONTENT ALWAYS WITH EVERY BUILD WITHOUT TRYING" because apparently having challenge in your game is bad
>WITHOUT TRYING
How do you define trying to dumb clown? No amount of skill will outplay a simulacrum, or most content in poe, because you cannot outplay 500 attacks, it's literally not possible. The "outplaying" done by all the best players is literally them SIMPLY NOT DOING THE CONTENT, they avoid it, they run unrolled maps, they click no altars, then they go back and they do the 'content' after they've spent weeks non stop farming all day every day so make a "reroll" build worth a billion that can actually engage with it.
That is not how -anyone- else plays the game anon
>No amount of skill will outplay a simulacrum
I'm not talking about mechanical skill, I'm talking about the skill required to make a decent build. morons like you want to turn the game into diablo 3 where everything is viable, there's no incentive to make a good build and it's just a treadmill of infinitely increasing numbers.
The fact that shit like wave 30 simul exists is a good thing. Top tier build shit should exist, you're just moronic because you're measuring every build against it.
Doing the hardest content in the game should take a strong build with high investment, I don't know why you'd want everything to be effortless
There's no incentive to make a good build because they nerf the frick out of everything that gets slightly out of line anyways lol
yes god forbid broken shit gets nerfed so you have to put effort into playing the game
>so you have to put effort into playing the game
The effort into playing the game was put. That's why the broken shit happened to begin with.
>yes shit gets nerfed so you have to put more time into grinding the game
FTFY. go inflate their charts b***h boy
>Stop liking the game I don't like, stop it!
>bad game design is good because I've spent too much money to think otherwise!
>bad game design is when I can't abuse 1 overpowered strategy until the end of time
Endless grind is shit, instead of nerfing "overpowered strategies" they should be buffing the underpowered ones.
They don't do this because they need to keep you in the game for longer, they need to sell you more things.
>just keep buffing everything until every build can do all content with no investment or optimization and the only difference is how fast you can vaporize the meaningless bosses
wow I didn't know blizzard employees posted on this board
No, Blizzard does what GGG has been doing, you're thinking of Valve.
>buff shit builds to compete with "overpowered" builds
>buff the content they're using for if it's too easy
>everyone is happy
That's the Valve way, Blizzard/GGG's way is to nerf everything that doesn't let the game be a slog.
>nooo it's such a slog that I can't abuse the fotm overpowered thing and instead have to use my brain and make a good build
god this board is full of homosexuals, glad ggg doesn't listen to any of you
>ignores my argument and goes on about something else
You're admit I'm right then?
you're not making an argument. buffing everything and then buffing the content so the end result is that everything is weaker is literally the same as nerfing the builds in the first place, just with more work. It's always been a completely braindead argument that only works on moronic redditors that can't tell their character is weaker
Oh I see now, you're not ignoring it? You just lack the basic mental skill to comprehend it.
Conversation over.
damn you showed me
>Everyone is happy
Alkaizer doesn't seem very happy.
>no counter argument
kek. Also, where do you think we are? newbies these days... It sure is summer.
Because, it's very simple anon, nobody besides streamers getting paid for it are going to play shit builds that cannot do the fun content. Period.
And increasingly, doing that content is necessary to be profitable along with it being the only shit that's actually fun in the game. Simulacrums literally are not profitable unless you're running a) dozens and dozens of them and b) are actually reaching wave 30. Dipping out at wave 15, 18, 20 is zero profit, zero items, and zero xp because if you dipped its cause you're dying and can't do it anymore so you probably lost more xp than you gained in the first place.
This is what happens when they go "we want the very end wave/hardest content to give x profit" and then simply scale it down for everything below that. If doing 15-20 waves of simu was great rewards, people would do it and not need to be forced into playing a build capable of clearing 30 every time.
None of what you're saying is true outside of simulacrum. Farming non-top tier shit is plenty profitable. Having to do wave 30 to get anything literally only applies to simulacrum. Even farming pinnacle bosses is profitable without doing ubers.
>Even farming pinnacle bosses is profitable without doing ubers.
No it isn't, its only proftable if you spend 30 divines buying a stock of them to run first. If you just run them as you get them, they are not profitable, they are negative profit. But bosses aren't what I'm talking about, if you can't clear the feared etc invitations then your build is dogshit and can't farm out your own maven writs in any reasonable way for another example. If you fail every other blight ravaged map, your build is making negative profit by doing them.
The entire game is designed around "yeah if you can't do this hardest content you should just run maps, avoid everything, have no fun and sell it because if you try it and can't clear it all you will just make negative money oh and btw half the time you need to farm 500 of them for it to average out" which feels dogshit. If you do a thing that thing should be sufficiently rewarding every single time to keep the player having fun and motivating them, not because your spreadsheet says "no its not allowed to be fun until they've run 300 of them in a row then we give them a lotto drop which is worth so much it evens out all the complete shit runs before that". That is not fun gameplay or design
Needing to put effort into the content you're running is once again, a good thing. It means people specialize and trade instead of the game showering them with endless currency because they opened a map.
There are plenty of farming strategies that are steady income if you don't want to gamble, like essences. I think you're just bad at the game
It's not 'specialization' if two builds exist that can actually do it because the development team CANNOT balance for the life of them, Fricking fits that Phreak, notorious fricking Riot Games moron, constantly worms out of his shitty little cuckhole to defend GGG's moronic fricking design decisions with a video every patch. If Riot is defending your balance decisions, you know you've fricked up.
if you think there's two builds in the game that are endgame viable then you're just catastrophically bad at the game I'm sorry. Maybe try getting good and thinking for yourself instead of following really shitty build guides?
I go by Archetypes, not builds. Minions are dead. Bleed is dead. Slams are dead. When the rework for Chief drops, ignite will be dead as hell. Cascade is going to get gutted, and the support gem will be shit. Number of good builds that can actually do content and not get filtered by the timer gets reamed every patch.
I don't give a frick about your 3k hp 5 portal builds, or your Mathil builds where he has 100= deaths and sits in his hideout trading for 1/2 his total playtime while he doomscrolls twitter and reddit. If it isn't AT LEAST SSF viable it isn't a real build. Got these on SSFHC btw.
Mad.
Bad.
Sad.
>Builds are dead because you can't delete Uber Exarch with them in less than a second!
Actually play a melee skill that isn't Boneshatter or Earthshatter and get back to me. You don't actually play the game or you'd realize how fricking bad the balance is. Black person. Stay MAD
BAD
SAD
If you die more than once every 20+ maps your build is dogshit. Nobody cares if you get to 100 on legion rotas.
>Got these on SSFHC btw.
>play self imposed ultra hard mode
>complain about the game being too hard
there's no hope for people like you anon
>new patch comes out
>reddit is crying that something got nerfed
>this guy makes a video where he does all the math and proves it's, in fact, not nerfed at all
>this is apparently called "defending the game"
kys urself, fampai
I said it once i'll say it again: If Phreak is calling your decisions sound, you've fricked up. End of discussion.
>where he does all the math
Except he doesn't, 1. he generally just looks at how many players played x build at y level and 2. if he looks at a skills numbers, he always puts a fricking handful of assumptions into his 'working it out' that are not infact how anyone plays or how shit works
I think maybe 3-4 of the skills from the last 3 patches Phreak said were "totally not gutted, still viable I swear" ended up being fine. This is out of the dozens that were nerfed. The dude has a PHD in justifying Californian design by using subterfuge and subversion. Don't trust a word out of his mouth.
>It means people specialize and trade
This is the opposite of a good thing, the game needs 500x more progression for solo players just playing who do not trade. The entire games progression being hard tied to trade due to piss poor balance is not a positive.
Again, d2 would have died if you had to trade for 500 meph keys to do meph runs and 499 of those runs give nothing.
>like essences
Oh yeah, more dogshit that is worth on average 1c each when you factor in the worthless ones you get, that you then have to save up for ages because nobody buys at good prices in not bulk, and then you still have to spend ages trading them with 40 different players, to THEN get to spam trade again to spend your gained currency you've saved up buying one item for yourself
Great, that's exactly what I want to do, sounds like insanely good gameplay
Lmfao
Also there is no "specialization", until the atlas tree existed specialization meant "this build is good for this content", that doesn't exist anymore because the builds that can do the content effectively are the same few fricking builds that are able to do it all lad
there's plenty of progression, just not for swaggots like you who copy the most overpowered build and then complain there's no progression.
Trade is core to the game. If you don't like that then you are playing the wrong game. PoE is immensely more enjoyable than other RPGs exactly for the reason of loot being balanced around trade, so getting a good drop is actually meaningful instead of just being showered with shit 24/7 and "progression" amounts to a number getting bigger because there's no actual challenge
>Trade is core to the game.
Chris himself says it isn't. He wants you to pick up your upgrades, unironically. Nice try though, schizo shill.
>BUT CHRIS SAYS
I don't care. The game is very obviously designed and balanced around trade. If you're too moronic to see that there's nothing I can say to you
>Trade is core to the game
Only by mistake of abhorrent, miscarriage design. According to the lead boomer morons, trade should be nearly impossible or not feasible. They want you to find your items off the ground, using an ID scroll.
>That can't be true because that isn't possible.
Obviously. The developers that think that don't actually play the damn game.
see
Not an argument. I accept your concession.
no, as a matter of fact going "BUT THE DEVS SAID" is not an argument
>there's plenty of progression
No there isn't moron. How many times do you have to watch some homosexual streamer like ben sit there for days on end farming farming all day every day for slot machine pull chances, so that he can move on and farm the next item he needs slot machine chances for for days on end again.
That is not reasonable progression for anyone who isn't being paid to do it, period.
If trade is core to the game, then make it not suck donkey dicks you fat bald moron :^) otherwise balance the game to not rely on trade so that your players actually HAVE FUN instead of 4999 of every 5000 of your players having zero fun so you can give that one player lotto and say LOOK HE HAD FUN, YOU COULD TOO IF YOU JUST PLAY LONG ENOUGH TO WIN LOTTO MAYBE (statistically you will not but keep playing anyway morons we want your metrics)
Trade is not core to any games balance. D2 was not balanced around trade, d1 was not balanced around trade, tq was not balanced around trade. Trade existed in all these games, as it should, but it was never a factor in any balance because that is a one way ticket to making your game feel shit for most of your players as you desperately try to cope because nooooo the spreadsheet number is too high this upsets my mtg homosexual psychology autism design ;____;
if you think getting a good item drop is the fun part of these games then that sounds like a personal problem. There is plenty of progression but morons like you will copy the most overpowered build, spend all your time doing lotto pulls and then complain there's nothing to the game other than lotto pulls. Skill issue.
>if you think getting a good item drop is the fun part of these games then that sounds like a personal problem
Chris literally said that it is
>CHRIS SAID
>MUH STREAMERS
do you have any thoughts of your own? on anything?
...says the Blizzard shill.
yes, I'm here in this thread defending path of exile because I'm a blizzard shill. You've got it all figured out dude, got me.
You're playing a game that someone else made. I hate to break it to your Black person ass, but his views on how the game should play/its design will invariably impact how the game actually plays. Stay mad Black person
I enjoy the character progression and beating genuinely challenging content. I don't care if chris comes out and says you're not allowed to enjoy that, not sure why you would.
>He's playing SOMEONE ELSES game instead of MAKING HIS OWN
Anyways have a nice day booty blasted homosexual
>you're playing someone else's game!
>that means you have to agree with them on everything
I can't even fathom being this moronic
Its an arpg moron. Power, items, character advancement, levels, these are the only forms of progression that exist.
There is no "woohoo i cleared a t16 map and got nothing!!! PROGRESS" that exists, you are insane.
when I was bad at the game, clearing a t16 map without dying was a lot more satisfying than getting a random drop. I get why that's unfathomable to you because you've long removed any challenge from the game by copying the builds of people smarter than yourself.
>I don't like the progression in this game
>oh okay, I like it personally, I enjoy it
>NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE HAVING FUN WRONG, IT'S OBJECTIVELY WRONG
I will never ever understand morons like you.
>>oh okay, I like it personally, I enjoy it
then you should be in a mental hospital anon, because new friend poe actually used to have perfectly reasonable progression before it went to shit 🙂 and it went to shit specifically because they learned they can maze people like you, to the detriment of us all
>because new friend poe actually used to have perfectly reasonable progression before it went to shit
please explain what that progression was and how it's no longer in the game
>inb4 muh harvest
Are you insane? There was better progression when the end game was docks farming anon, because statistically you were more likely to simply find a good item for yourself as a drop then than you are now, by probably a hundredfold.
Almost like the more bullshit high end rolls they add to the game, that they then balance monsters around players having, inherently removes progression because you can no longer simply find items that go "oh that's an upgrade, that's useful for me". An easy example is adding suppression literally made game progression worse and moved even more of it to trade, because suppression was added and then immediately made mandatory the next patch after that due to gggs balance design. Now anything that drops without suppression might as well not drop at all for most classes. And there are dozens upon dozens of examples just like that, over years of bad design, piling up.
I'll take docks farming anyday because it had significantly better game and item balance.
>progression was better when all there was to do was farming one single map all day every day
holy frick
>no counter argument
Because I am right :^) progression has nothing to do with your variety of maps to run moron, its entirely to do with player power and your ability to find increases to your characters power regularly. Not once a week, not once every 4 days of playing, literally every couple hours
so this is an asian currency farm game and nothing more?
ewww.
>counter argument
There doesn't need to be one, when you say such moronic things that farming one map forever just for the sake of farming is "progression"
That's just called autism.
Kraut-kun, other people can sometimes enjoy things which you don't. I know terminal stage autists like you find it hard to believe, but I'm hoping you will still realise that one day.
I tried simulacrum this league once got to wave 24 and died. Never played it again. I made about 800 divs doing other things til I eventually stop playing. You don't need every build to be able to run simulacrum 30/30.
>I made about 800 divs
I am fairly confident you don't have any idea what fun actually is anon, because nobody that makes this much and plays this much knows, they just think spamming maps is fun. One of those "yeah it's mind numbing for a week but after i do that for a week i get a fun payoff for a few minutes" types that I will never understand, It's fine for it to be not fun for a short period of time for a payoff, but not for a long period of time
Your inexperience with currency making really shows with this comment. 800 div isn't that much and I obviously ran maps for variety of league mechanics but didn't spam one thing only.
>800 div isn't that much
Literal clown, feel free to get the statistics for what the average red maps reaching player makes. Feel free to see what ben or mathil make per league in trade league with all the handouts they get.
Hint: it's not close to 800 div. The average red maps player I would confidently bet makes between 15/20 and 40/50 div per league, at most. Run essences all you want, it's not gonna generate you more than like a dozen div even at the most extreme target speedfarming
There's so many other league mechanics in the game I don't know why you think there's only essences for players to make currency with.
You or the other anon brought up essences, not me buddy, don't try to shift the goalposts now.
As for other mechanics, cool, how many are consistent and not just infinite maze until you hit lotto - which statistically you will not hit based on their desired spreadsheet outcomes for the 'economy' as a whole? The answer is very few.
>800 div isn't that much
homie what
And more strawmans, look at that. I've stated over and over again, I'm SSF, I've cleared all new content. You know what I want? Content. You know what's hard to develop with a skeleton crew? Content.
>You just want this and that and blaah blaah
Content. I want fricking content. Do you understand? Not buffed gems. Not nerfed ascendancies. Not new currency shards. Actual new bosses, monsters, environment, anything worth giving a shit about this stale as frick game.
>You're just a massive homosexual who only played the game to abuse the most broken shit and the moment anything got nerfed you started crying and never stopped.
Bold words for a strawmanning homosexual.
>If you truly think that, good for you. I wish you and the game a prosperous future. But I'm fricking done. I'm telling you right now.
then why are you still here? why are homosexuals like you in every thread talking about how they're TOTALLY DONE WITH THE GAME FOR REAL THIS TIEM!!!!
The game is growing. It will continue growing precisely because ggg are smart enough to not listen to whiny homosexuals like you.
see u on league launch anon
Do you not see how fricking moronic you sound?
You're sitting in a thread of a game you apparently hate, throwing your shit around like an autistic child and you're then calling other people upset.
Why are you projecting? If you hate the game this much then you shouldn't be here. You're the one being upset, not people calling you a moron.
>barely anything "happened".
Every single spreadsheet tallying peoples loot says otherwise. it doesn't matter what ggg says, their words don't mean shit we have measurable results from player data. loot is dead, juicing is no longer profitable or worth doing, the only way to "juice" anymore is to increase rare monster count, because they are the only thing that drops loot anymore. the 300 other monsters in your map drop absolutely nothing. whilst before, they dropped a substantial majority of the loot.
Of course everyone will laugh at you and your arguments if you throw shit like
>LOOK, THEY DON'T TALK TO REDDIT ANYMORE
like that's a bad thing. Come the frick on, moron
Holy shit you are fricking stupid! The whole point was that they don't take criticism from anyone anymore, not even the streamers. And when even reddit started getting salty about the shitty no-effort leagues, they bailed on that platform after years of sucking redditor wiener. Seriously, just learn to shut the frick up if you are this fricking moronic.
>The whole point was that they don't take criticism from anyone anymore, not even the streamers
not making the game exactly how you want it doesn't mean they're not taking criticism.
GGG is one of the few based developers yet because they actually trust their instincts to make a good game instead of just cucking out and reverting everything any time someone complains. They're not obligated to listen to you.
> Tencent are based!
Said no-one ever. Imagine buying into chink gacha monetization games. What a homosexual.
GGG are based and tencent seem pretty hands off.
what gacha? are you in the wrong thread or something
>chink game
>gacha
Way to expose yourself as an absolute mongoloid
>not making the game exactly how you want it doesn't mean they're not taking criticism
Oh, really? So gaslighting players about the loot changes for months, that's just them making the game they want? And the rollbacks on Archnemesis system after they couldn't force it down people's throats? What about that one?
>they don't listen to people anymore
>rollbacks on Archnemesis system after they couldn't force it down people's throats
Decide already if they're actually listening to the players or not, krautjeet, you're not doing a good job
That wasn't listening to players, that was listening to stock holders telling them to undo a change that clearly led to player retention and overall numbers decreasing.
>n-no it doesn't count
stop embarassing yourself
>they're not listening to players
>every time a highly controversial change is done, it's changed according to feedback
>this doesn't count because uhhhhh stockholders????
just give up
Black person, they changed it TWO LEAGUES after that bullshit, when they finally figured out that everyone, even autists doing nothing but Delve all day weren't having it anymore. You a such a israelite rat.
>change proves unpopular and bad for the game
>developers make further changes
what's the problem here exactly? isn't this how it should work? or should they balance the game around reddit comments?
Why do you argue like this? They had no intention of ever changing it, no matter how many people complained about it. After players review-bombed the game on Steam for that bullshit, they ignored it. Only after it was actually starting to affect their bottom-line, did they cave in. That's not listening to players, that's being a piece of shit.
Why do you want them to listen to players? This is such a cucked mentality. I don't want clueless morons holding the game hostage because the devs are so cucked they will change things because someone wrote a bad review
>Why do you want them to listen to players?
Why do I want the company I've paid years to develop a game I used to enjoy to listen to my viewpoint? How much of a fricking bootlicker are you? You think I don't know how the fricking game works to the point that my criticism is valid, after clearing all of the content without trading and completely solo? You know, they used to actually listen to the complaints from players like myself, back when they were an actual small indie company. But now with chink cash in the pocket, I guess it doesn't matter what the actual people who built that company want, right?
so it's just a childish "THEY SHOULD MAKE THE GAME LIKE I WANT IT!!! WAAAAH"
>You know, they used to actually listen to the complaints from players like myself
lol no. Even in the beta there was some controversial decision people cried about, ggg refused to revert it and people eventually accepted it.
>I guess it doesn't matter what the actual people who built that company want, right?
paying for a game you like isn't building shit, it's not your game. If you wanna design the game, apply for a job instead of crying on reddit.
Oh, so now having my opinion heard and actually considered is the same as forcing them to make the game my way? Very mature way of putting your argument forward.
Seriously, I'm done. Have that fricking shit heap of a company and game. You deserve each other. Truly.
>Have that fricking shit heap of a company and game. You deserve each other. Truly.
Like I said, the same response every time you ask for evidence of totally made up claims. It's always "GGG CAUGHT LYING!!!!" but apparently you're just too angy to provide said evidence. Every. Time.
I'd give you the reddit posts of autists comparing their old league map run loot (something like x1000 of the same map) but I'm sure you'd find a way to weasel out of that, so I'm seriously not going to bother anymore. I don't give a shit anymore. You are not going to be convinced, and I'm not gonna play along with you, so just frick off.
>still not linking the supposedly clear evidence of "lying", just vague allusions
It's all so tiresome
I think I made it pretty clear that I don't give a shit about what you think. Go play niGGGer defense force somewhere else. /poeg/ maybe?
>I think I made it pretty clear that I don't give a shit about what you think.
yet here you are, still replying. I think I got under your skin when I asked you to provide evidence of the shit you completely made up. I just don't get why? You can just say you don't like the game, no need to make up a story about how they ruined the game
Because I don't need evidence for something I experience in the game, as SSF player myself. And I don't need to convince you, especially when you are clearly arguing in bad faith. And I don't feel like combing through old reddit posts. That's like dragging my dick through broken glass.
>I have all the evidence! ggg is lying!
>ok post it
>NOOOO I DON'T HAVE TO POST IT JUST BELIEVE ME IT'S MY EXPERIENCE
>asking for evidence of clearly fabricated claims is bad faith
kek
>Go talk about the game in some other place than the thread dedicated to the game.
Why don't you leave instead? Pretty obvious you don't play the game.
Again the two of you are fighting over nothing because the real reason they walked back Archnemesis was this:
The Archnem rares started causing player behaviour they didn't like.
>Oh, so now having my opinion heard and actually considered is the same as forcing them to make the game my way?
You're confusing listening to feedback with doing the thing you told them to do.
Simply accept that they have a different vision from you and either play the game or don't. devs aren't obligated to make the game exactly the way you like. Incredibly childish to think your feedback should be gospel
>devs aren't obligated to make the game exactly the way you like
You seriously argue like a child. I don't give a frick. If they want to make a game for their dev team in spite of the actual playerbase, they are free to do so. But we are not obligated to keep playing a shittier, more tedious version of the game anymore than they are obligated to listen to us. So frick off.
Always the same argument about how they're ruining the game for the players and yet, the game is consistently growing for the last decade. Same moronic argument for a decade while you're still playing the game you supposedly hate. Do you ever get tired of the moronic cope?
Chris used to play the game, I even talked and partied with him once, he chatted in global. Back when he wasn't bloated bag of ego and bullshit. Back when he actually interacted and listened to the community, he has his Vision but took suggestions too.
There's ignoring redditor whining and then there's GGG completely shutting their ears from every single fricking player telling them to stop their bullshit. numbers dropping like flies and everyone hating the game, the league and sending death threats into the office. And they still wouldn't listen until their chink overlords stepped in.
Either you are a trolling autist or Chris himself because no one can be this fricking dense.
>numbers dropping like flies and everyone hating the game
guess I'll just post it again then
The idea that the game is falling apart and everyone hates it is just cope. You just don't enjoy the game. It's okay to just stop playing instead of going into forums and crying about how bad the game is.
Ignoring reddit whining is why I like ggg. way too many devs today cuck out even if they can design a good game because bad feedback scares them. Feedback doesn't mean shit and players don't know shit, ignoring it is always the correct play.
>ignores and misses the point, again
I don't think you have a point if you can't make it without lying
>new patch comes out
>everyone curious to see if the game is better now logs in
>everyone sees it's worse than before and leaves until next time
The highs get higher and the lows get lower, eventually the low will be low enough that no one will come back anymore.
No one fricking likes your game anymore, we should bee up to PoE 3 by now, but they just keep packing more crap into the first game and there's a patch coming sometime int he future that will aim to double everything.
GGG is completely tone death, the sole reason you're desperate to defend PoE is because you've sunken so much money into this pay to win grinfest.
Why do YOU argue like this? You make a statement, someone proves it's bullshit, then you say it just doesn't count. Literally, unironically, go back
They weren't changing it because people died to it all the time. They changed it because people started skipping fighting Rare monsters entirely and skipping Leagues where you're forced to fight yellow glowing monsters. PoE team hates player behaviour of skipping content.
Back in the day Map boss drops sucked so everyone just killed them once then cleared maps by stopping at the boss arena door. So nowadays map bosses have higher chance of dropping maps than monsters.
You are the dumbest Black person in this thread. Are you an actual streetshitter living in Germany, projecting your insecurities or something? Are the words I'm using too big for you? Tell me, homosexual, what part do you not understand about trying to force something on people, and then backing off when the player number plummet?
>Did you forget that these nigggers bailed on reddit of all places because they got upset that people weren't drinking the kool-aid anymore?
So not listening to redditors fricking whining because they're fricking bad and can't play the game for shit is bad now? Don't make me laugh at you even more, moron. This is why I don't reply to every part of your schizo posts.
Stop replying in bad faith. They left during calandra, shittiest league in history, and were shitted on from everywhere, reddit, v, forums, china forums, etc. The reason they left reddit is because mod team wouldnt censor and delete posts that shitted on league and ggg for creating it.
>Did you forget that these nigggers bailed on reddit of all places because they got upset that people weren't drinking the kool-aid anymore?
because morons were crying all day every day any time something got nerfed even if the nerf was both needed and good for the game. morons on poe reddit equate fun with character power because they want a glorified slot machine instead of a challenging game
>Monster defenses are lower than ever
Not really, the Monster Life buff and Support Gem damage nerfs are still affecting some Ascendancies. Gladiator and Bleed are still shit.
No. They have an agenda to make money. And this game is monetized to such an extent, that it makes it scammy and unfun. It's why I gave up on it. I saw the grift for what it was: an infinite money siphon treadmill.
One league of the past, what, eight? Ten? Has gone core if we don't include Sanctum, and it was fricking Expedition. PoE leagues are horrific dogshit. The "LE EIGHT Black personDEVS!!! XDDD SO HECKING BASED FELLOW TWITTER SHILLS!" thing is nothing to be proud of. They've output exclusively dogshit.
Then you're welcome to not play the game if you don't like the leagues anon-kun. Looking at player counts, seems like a lot of people enjoy it.
It's okay if you don't like it.
They got a boost last league due to D4 beta drumming up attention. They lost almost all of those players instantly and never recovered. GGG also made less money in 2022 than they did in 2021.
If anything, PoE2 being split from PoE1 should scare drones like you. They are lacking any faith in the progenitor for every moronic decision they've made for the past 3 years. They've been peddling PoE2 as the savior this whole time and now they're nervously deflecting, dodging, and distracting.
>i-it doesnt count b-because
Embarassing
ONE (1) year till CLOSED BETA
WHAT THE FRICK
what's the problem? you don't want them to rush the game, do you anon?
It means they were shitting on poe 1 for nothing. All the "but they are dedicated to muh poe 2 to polish it" is just copethey were just doing shit leagues
From recent leagues only Kalandra was objectively shit, Sanctum was the best league in poe history, unironically
I'm really happy it's coming back next league
Just seems pointless having an exilecon for essentially a Poe league mechanic. wienerteasers
they unironically have to add an auction house to get me to play poe 1 again
What the FRICK is this shit?!
>Chaos are Aug/Slam
>Assuming you can still craft suffix/prefix cannot be change it would be a huge improvement
No it isn't, you can already craft cannot change and do the harvest remove/add.
It's shit, nobody does it for a reason, they just use normal exalts because anything with remove attached is dogshit. T4 aislings never get used anymore for the most part, it's just too terrible to ever justify it
If you're metacrafting to block, you're then removing crafted modifiers afterwards anyway, so there's legitimately never any use for a remove add, and normal slams are at least still usable without spending multiple div
You clearly don't know SHIT
>honey i want harvest back
>but we have harvest at home
>harvest at home:
i think el diabolos quatro won, big time
Once again: shills can't praise PoE without comparing it to blizzard.
>it isn't good... But it's better than eating shit!
who else team blizzard now?
So hows POE 2 gonna work with gold now as money??
Gold only lets you buy shit from vendors
So no more having to spend different orbs then?
>This level of cope.
I can't wait to buy a Mageblood for 100M gold
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1884146579?t=04h02m20s
>gold takes slots in the inventory
uuuuuuuuuugh
>shit all over PoE1 for the past 2 years and justify it because they're slowly tweaking it to become POE2
>lol actually POE2 is a separate game
These morons have no idea what they're doing, pre 3.15 POE was lightning in a bottle.
grim
innit bruv!?
It will get positive hurrahs on launch for a week.
Then it will get exposed and shit on and complained about because its not like poe1.
Such is life for all arpgs.
Are we really pretending D4 got shat on simply because thats the ARPG genre?
The game is dogshit get over it
blizzardcoper
what's happening in this video
pajeet slaves getting their midday gruel I guess
Am i going insane or is that a distorted image of chris wilson on that staff?
>ignore league content
>blast to bosses
>grind hard for a week
>make a few mirrors
>repeat
POE has gotten so tiresome
>deliberately avoid playing the new stuff
>PoE has become so stale, ded game.
Name 1 good nu-stuff released after ultimatum except for sanctum
Expedition.
poe 2 already has so many gameplay layers
Yeah it's like an onion. An onion you haven't peeled yet.
in contrast d4 is like a steaming pile of shit
So why are they chasing slower gameplay when that is the exact opposite of what every ARPG player wants and specifically gears for?
The game really is "too fast" in some aspects, that's why people are so driven by meta.
The problem is every time they nerf something, the top end players can still break the crafting or exploit other new mechanics to go even faster than they did before. But it requires getting pigeonholed into fewer and fewer builds and the meta becomes even more ossified.
The problem isn't that they shouldn't chase slowing the game down. It's that they completely fail at doing so. Inevitably they hurt low tier builds more than the builds that break the game. Why the frick does SST or Cold DoT need to be nerfed compared to lightning strike or EA totems.
They need to simply accept that absolutely 1% broken builds will always exist and instead balance against the great variety of builds that can only manage 2-10 million DPS or so.
>when that is the exact opposite of what every ARPG player wants
Because you're completely wrong and don't understand what people want, and have blown out your understand of ARPGs by exclusively playing modern Path of Exile and never playing any other ARPG except maybe modern Diablo. Path of Exile ousted Diablo 3 explicitly by posting gameplay footage and things like "build of the week" where GGG showcased and detailed how to clear the campaign content with things like elemental hit templars that attack single enemies. Anyone who played Path of Exile exclusively speed clearing is the perfect definition of a bandwagoner who arrived late to the party.
Deliberate gameplay is what people always wanted. Dropping an arc mine and then running to the next pack at 250% movespeed and dropping a mine before running to the next pack where the first mine detonates, all while listening to your loot filter to see if an exalted orb dropped, is the worst gameplay loop Path of Exile has ever had, and it has harmed the game almost as much as having to stand at your stash for 6 hours every day to turn away dumb slavs who sit there and try to convince you to accept 8 alts instead of 2c for every item you post.
This. This. This.
Rat players who only play this game for the cheese. They need to go play games made for them like Raid Shadow Legends and Diablo 3.
>Rat players who only play this game for the cheese.
The game only exists for the cheese moron, the genre only exists for the cheese, it is why the genre even took off in the first place. Your moment to moment gameplay is meaningless if it is not rewarding. You could make it rewarding, whilst balancing your monsters so players don't randomly die to thousands of shit, and then people would not care that you have slow deliberate gameplay. Sorry morons but nobody would have played d1 or d2 if you removed the loot or made it drop 1 in 300,000 boss runs.
Why play a game that shuts off in a year after its replacement comes out when it hasn't been good for 5-6 years and the devs themselves admitted that its been on life support for years? Pretty stupid idea.
coooooope
It's not fun anymore, it hasn't been for like 3 years
how about you suck a dick, homosexual?
kys
>get to red maps
>ok, what do I do now
>grind a single thing for 100 hours to have a 25% chance of improving your weapon or bricking it
Fun game. Pity it has no end game.
end game doesn't exist, considering homosexual whine about it in every single game
>get to red maps
>minmax build with tree tweaks, israeliteels, alt qual gems, clusters, timeless passives, etc
>continue leveling from 90 to 95, mainly in t14+ maps as you fill out your voidstones, juiced to your taste
>breaks for delve, heist, temples, blighted maps, logbooks etc all of which print currency (or if you dont like that shit just sell it, lookin at you heist)
>keep an eye on trade site for agressively priced upgrades
>once omegajuiced t16s are trivial and pinnacles are easy, aim for uber bosses
You should never be grinding for 100 hours for a 25% dice roll unless you're at a truly autistic level of completion on your character. You don't need 10x6x perfectly divined t1 affixes to be 'done', just set a reasonable goal based on how good your build concept is, get there and then move on.
Do you have any tips or a link to a good resource on how to form a philosophy around upgrading your character power?
Once I got halfway through maps I felt like I had no idea how I'm supposed to progress.
>wtf why don't the numbers constantly get higher with no effort
diablogays have ruined this genre
>the kraut is already here
You can't have a proper PoE thread on this board, this homosexual will always shit it right up
If you are talking about me, I'm not german and I have no clue why you get so upset about somebody having less than a positive view about the game.
There is one anon in this thread who just posts blatant fricking lies to fit his own agenda
Such as? List these lies and debunk them, then.
have they announced when the launch of poe2 is? I don't wanna play until it comes out. Everything I find when I search is just clickbait AI articles that regurgitate one another.
closed beta june 2024, thats it
oh that's way way later than I thought, lame as frick. Thanks.
probably end of 2024
>have they announced when the launch of poe2 is?
Its at the end of the presentation show, closed beta next year. If its anything like closed beta of PoE 3.0, then theres never going to be open beta and the closed beta lasts 6 months before release.
hopefully we can just pay 10 dollarinos and get in
OH SHE HANGRY
passion makes all the difference
diablo devs simply don't give a single frick
POE is gated behind paywalls
You need to trade to do endgame. You need to buy stashes to do trade. Stashes costs hundreds of dollars. And trades are done by external sites/bots/tools instead of in game player shops or auction houses.
>You need to trade to do endgame.
>SSF doesn't exist
>Stashes costs hundreds of dollars
Why are you lying you moronic frick. For less than 30 you can get everything you'll ever need for the first 1000 hours of your gameplay.
Think of PoE as try-for-free. You make it to maps and want to keep playing, you probably want to drop $20 on tabs. You want to get deep into market endgame, another $20. You get big into it and want some of those vanity collector tabs, maybe another $20. Anything past that is purely for kicks or streamer tier autismo.
it's pretty telling that all PoEdrones can do now in the face of any kind of criticism is cry "BLIZZgay!" huh
this is nuts
Jesus frick.
it gets better
Eternals are back outside of Ruthless. Gonna get some insane items this league again.
This literally isn't good though. Eternals are a reset point. This shit currency lets you see what the next thing it slams will be, great. The next thing it slams is going to be shit, almost always. So you've just wasted an 'eternal orb' tier currency, and it will be that rare, to see that your next slam is +3 life. What now? You can't do anything about it, anything you do deletes the foresight as it clearly says.
It's garbage, you would need to burn through hundreds of these things constantly to be of any use, and they aren't going to drop like that and you know it.
>Use eternal
>Slam it
>It's shit
Wow so different.
You see what the next exalt will do, if ts bad you fuse it and try again.
I don't know if you're just stupid or what anon.
Here is how eternal orb works
>craft to a point
>you use it
>you craft
>if you fail you use the imprint to go back to your saved point
Here is how the hinekoras thing works
>you craft to a point
>you use it
>it bricks
Now what's your next step? Scour and start over? So the currency has no fricking use. I think you're coping if you think fuses are going to affect it frankly but we'll see. You aren't getting enough of them to do that either way even if it does. If the currency dropped at the same rate as regrets or something, maybe you would. But it's going to be div+ rarity
You preview it before you use it anon. Using another currency such as a israeliteeler or fuse on it, your next hinekora will show that your next exalt will be something different than what it showed the first time.
>your next hinekora
You just keep skipping over the unavoidable fact that you AREN'T getting 100 of these anon, it is not viable it will not happen it is a dream in your head and nothing more.
Yes, the currency would work in that regard if it dropped constantly I agree. But it will not, gggs history of design proves this without exception
They'll likely be as rare as eternals were. Crafters will still end up with hundreds of them because getting several mirrors worth of currency in a league is trivial.
>because getting several mirrors worth of currency in a league is trivial.
No, it isn't, not for anyone that isn't some tft homosexual or group market controller.
Sure, this will be useful for the morons that craft mirror items, all like 27 of them. But the other 200k players don't give a shit about them, to those players it is a literal useless item and by god are people sick of them adding items that are useless to everyone except tft, streamers and market manipulators.
It could give players a bunch of fun if it dropped commonly and they could actually use it to achieve something decent themselves
Did I ever say it was going to be useful for the dregs? I literally only said that there were going to be some insane items crafted this league as it's functionally similar to an eternal.
I mean the league items will not be insane, they'll be normal shit. People already crafted their 6 t1 normal shit since forever without these.
These are standard bait items because all the legacy rolls, crucible tree items, legacy synth items etc are the only place this shit will be used.
And even then maybe not, cause after the announcement that poe2 will be a separate game standard players are likely fuming and not so interested in playing.
Read the description again:
>Allows an item to foresee the result of THE NEXT CURRENCY ITEM USED ON IT.
You get to see different effects based onf what orb you're using. You get to see different result when you hover orb of Transmute on it, than if you hover Orb of Alchemy on it.
It shows you which orb you should use on it next to get the best result.
it depends on whether is there going to be a good way to change the seed:
>craft an item with 2 good suffixes and 2 good prefixes
>preview the exalt slam
>it's a bad prefix
>benchcraft a prefix on the bench
>preview again
>it must be a suffixes so it's different
>benchcraft a suffix and preview the prefix again
will it be the same as the first prefix? if not and it's randomized again then it will supercharge mirror tier item creation, but at least you have to burn through a large stack of them.
pretty sure making any changes to the item will change what the "predetermined" roll is. It's pretty much an eternal orb
again
It's going to remove the preview item everytime you do anything to the item. So you cannot just benchcraft and look, it would have to be benchcraft > use another of the items on it > look
The items just aren't going to drop in quantities able to make that possible we both know this, its ggg.
You have learned nothing. This is literally the only good one they showed, you will notice all the rest are genuinely completely awful.
Which means this is never going to exist for you, it's not going to drop, it's going to cost 20 div or some shit.
This is always the case, everytime they show things for hype those things turn out to not be reasonably achievable and everything reasonably achievable is terrible which is why they didn't show it off because it doesn't generate excitement
now think again why i posted that one with the comment
think long and hard
what was the point of exilecon when the game isnt gonna come out till the end of 2024 or even 2025
>everything about poe2s design looks like absolute shit if you just think about it for more than 1 second
>poe leagues have been ass for the past like what, nearly 2 years? they've had maybe 2 decent leagues in that whole time
>still incompetent balance, moving developers back over even if it becomes true wont change that
>the new league is as barebones as ever, literally just "auto chess once a map for shit rewards btw but also the autochess doesn't matter because you will solo the enemy team instead as its more efficient" really not showing any increase in developers, scope or depth
sanctums back
frick leagues, races were more fun
Are there any POE private servers?
If Chris abandons POE1 will he allow private servers or will he get litigious if any show up?
The new support gem for mines is OP
last time i played poe was metamorph
im so confused now anons
What in the holy frick??
It's terrible anon. It was terrible before but it had 80% curse reduction on it, which is good because it is permanent and only permanent uptime things are actually worthwhile in poe.
Regen life every 4 seconds is mediocre when you die in 0.5s from full. Remove ailments? Nice, the 4s ticked and it removed them all great! Except they got immediately re-applied because that's how things work when 60 mobs are on your screen all capable of inflicting it.
Shit like this is just huge noob bait, it's just like when they changed flasks and deleted immunity replacing it with instead "removes shock if you use when shocked" for example, which caused huge outcry because removing shock is worthless when you get immediately re-shocked 0.1s later. Only reduction with good uptime or flat out immunity is remotely useful in poe due to their shit balancing. The top line of this ascendancy node literally might as well not exist
Am i correct that every 4 seconds you get 100% of your life back for 1 second. 100% of your life so a full heal every 4 seconds?
Yes every 4th second you instantly regen say 5k hp, whatever your max is, over the next second
And that is not op? a full heal? not using a flask, nothing?
Not when things can kill you over .2 of a second.
Nobody but the ultra autists will get to that point in the endgame
Na, everyone did it this league with a 10c exploding totem build lmao
>can
>as opposed to often
Unless you play a hardcore character this doesnt matter
>this doesnt matter
Yes it does, players do not like to die, it makes them have substantially less fun. If it happens once a day, sure its fine. If it happens every couple maps? It's not fine, they will not continue.
Secondly, if dying doesn't matter, you wouldn't build any defences anyway so you still wouldn't take this shit node.
The nodes only value before was 80% curse reduction, the regen was almost entirely irrelevant.
No, just like removing curses and ailments once every 5 seconds is worthless anon. Things that are good in poe have 100% or close to 100% uptime, for defences this is especially true.
It doesn't protect you from one shots, and it doesn't give you ehp by mitigating/regening small amounts of constant damage. This is not a game where you run away for 5 seconds when fighting packs of monsters, it's not designed that way.
You would have to find a way to make yourself essentially take zero damage for 4 out of every 5 seconds, and that's just not possible in maps and in bosses it's not even really achievable for most top players with consistency
Its certainly nice and not useless, but this is how fast you die in PoE in higher level maps: https://youtu.be/G8_YB9usC7Y
How is 100% life regen ever second "noob bait"
You're a fricking moron man thats insane for mapping
It's not every second you dumb blind clown, it's every 4 seconds, and over 1 second, so it's actually every 5 seconds.
The majority of all deaths in poe are not to "oh no i died slowly over 5 seconds", they are almost entirely to "oh i died instantly in the space of a single blink of my eye".
Regen is good, because regen is always active and thus increases your ehp anytime you are below max. This does not increase your ehp significantly because it only applies 20% of the time. Whoops got hit by a maven fireball and ignited, better hope you're on your 4th second! Oh shame, you were only on second 2 so you just die cause you have no significant regen.
If you think its not noob bait, you are infact a moronic noob anon
Every 4 seconds part is ticking while you're healed over 1 second so it's a full heal every 4 sec. If you have a build that's getting one shot when a mob breathes in your direction it's a useless node. For all the tanky Bois it's bretty gud tbh
>For all the tanky Bois it's bretty gud tbh
No it isn't, the tanky boys will have built regen already because any build with 0 regen is fricking stupid in current poe. There does not exist any build who is like "sure i'll just tank damage for 4 seconds and lose 80% of my hp but definitely will not die" that would make use of the node effectively like that, the game simply doesn't allow for that to exist with its design and balance. The most common results of this node will be a) you die and the regen doesn't get put to use or b) the regen procs and you're already full anyway so the majority of it is entirely wasted.
Nobody sits on half hp or less without hitting life flask in this game, literally nobody, because being full at all times is of paramount importance.
I'd rather just have 10% regen with 100% uptime than this node, vastly superior
>How is 100% life regen ever second "noob bait"
Says the noob who cant even read that it happens over one second every 4 seconds. Please post your builds,so noobs know what not to do.
In a game of nanosecond insta-deaths thats not as powerful as you think it is. Still very nice QoL node that makes the class more comfy to play.
I'll never forgive baldo for what he did to the exalted orb. frick the resident sleeper orb, exalted is still king orb to me
Templar and Chieftain are so fricking OP now LMAO
templar is dogshit, everything about it is almost strictly worse
the chieftan node you've shown is the only one that's actually decent, the rest shown all suck
to the point jugg is still insanely better for rf
what makes you think these are anything close to op. they're gonna be new sabo or glad tier.
you aren't going to get enough of them to use them frivolously like that. you are living in a fantasy world where "this might be good if they also do this!" but haven't learned that ggg never, never, ever do the "also do this" part.
Once again how is healing to full health every 4 seconds bad
That Black person thinks because once every 10 maps you get oneshot it means life regen is useless
No you are morons, anything that is not 100% uptime is infact useless. Regen is very good, I explained below. This is not regen, this is "regen 20% of the time", which is 4-5 times worse than actual regen.
It also devalues regen, you are not going to build substantial regen if you also take this node, they make each other redundant and devalue each other massively. You will not get one shot once every 10 maps with your magic no regen but every 4 seconds i heal to full moron build, you will get die most maps to random attrition damage from 2 packs hitting you at once, which happens every single screen.
I am convinced you people don't actually play the game or just do campaign or something, your opinions are clueless as to what's actually valuable and necessary statwise. Please use pob more lads, learn
>this is "regen 20% of the time
Are you illiterate? It says "every 4 seconds" also " 100%" can you not read
every 4 seconds OVER THE NEXT ONE SECOND. which means your regen is actually over the 5th second. shut the frick up, there's no way you aren't trolling holyyyy
Learn to fricking read 100% of life over one second
every 4 seconds -> 1 second tick -> 100% life regen
moronic frick
>0-1 no regen
>1-2 no regen
>2-3 no regen
>3-4 no regen
>second 4 ticks, regen begins
>4-5 regen 100% life during this second
>go back to step 1
Shut up moron.
During second 5 while you're getting your heal the timer for your next heal is already at second 1 you absolute troglodyte
Only from the 2nd time onwards moron. It is exactly as I outlined anytime you walk through a portal, i.e every time you go back into a boss after dying, tping out or logging out like a homosexual
>every time you walk through a portal
>what is grace period
"hey I played this game for 5 hours and i have an opinion"
go back to fortnite you brainlet
>>what is grace period
Yeah what is grace period moron? A curious question you clearly don't know the answer to, because this ascendancy node WILL NOT START COUNTING UNTIL GRACE PERIOD ENDS. LIKE ALL BUFFS AND EFFECTS. Holy fricking clown jesus christ.
Chieftain OP
Also a shit node, it's literally wasted stats.
Every node they put in the game has a value, right? And the things they put on the node have to total to no more than that power value.
These things literally do not work together, so no matter what you are playing this node has 50% of its design power value completely wasted. It's like taking a node that says "+100 life +100 energy shield" on a CI build, when half of it is useless the overall node drastically plummets in value.
Until you magically find a way to make a slam also be affected by ancestral call, this node is ass
righteous fire was a mistake
>dev doesn't think their game is worth their resources
>tells me it's worth mine though
How bout frick you?
>America
>Telemarketers are generally poor and can barely afford rent let alone food
>India
>Slave boys bring telemarketers delicious peas
India bros, we won.
I think it's very bad to play a game like PoE 24/7/365.25, but having a good binge occasionally when a big tranche of content drops?
Yeah. I've not played PoE for months so I'm looking forward to coming back.
I've tried PoE a few times but am always just confused at what is going on and end up quitting.
Follow a guide
I do and I make a build that works but I still have no idea what all the systems in the game are. It's also a massive gaming pet peeve when games don't convey information and you need outside sources.
There is no reason dev's can't explain their games inside of the game.
i think im gonna go back next league in a couple weeks
I've heard that it's basically impossible to start now and catch up, is it true?
catch up to what? the game resets every league kek
There is no such thing as "catching up".
It's a game which is based around resetting the progress every 4 months. And you can always join in even the last month, because you're not competing against anyone.
>You are having fun... incorrectly. Let me fix that.
KEK
Frick off. They ruined it and I won't believe anymore of their lies how this time they listened to the community and that this is the bestest league ever. Never touching that shit again.
Chris is a fricking moron that had everything handed to him and still managed to frick it up.
Theyre actually bringing sanctum back for next league? Holy shit that league was lame
I liked the demon angel titty league. And they're adding more room variety. The announcement of nerfing the relics is worrying though.
Did Chris Wilson really fire another streamer and kick him out of their BlizzCon?
Why is this chink garbage shilled so much?
see
stop samegayging. Find stronger bait next time.
incorrect.
btw, it's not bait.
CHRIS WILSON did in fact sell out.
The game died when ascendencies were first released so instead of being able to do anything you wanted they shoehorned you into even more specialized classes.
But anon they fixed it, remember how they killed the block ascendancy, then killed the summoner ascendancy for actual summon builds, then killed the trap/mine ascendancy 🙂
They totally fixed it by essentially deleting them from the game so that you would totally want to play mines on another class!
I don't care about what moron shitters opinions are then anon. If all they want to do is clear unrolled t16s and never click any altars, their opinion on what a good build is is meaningless, they do not understand the stats or mechanics at play.
However you're misrepresenting the numbers. By "99%" i obviously assumed you mean 99% of players who make it to red maps, who are already a minority. Because the "99%" of overall players don't even beat the campaign, nobody gives a single frick what their opinion is on anything sorry
It's good you're not a video game developer, because you'd bankrupt your studio in the span of months.
Shocking news anon, poe was infact a good game at one point long ago, and it didn't bankrupt them! I know that's hard to comprehend for you
>then killed the summoner ascendancy
AveeEeEenge me AaAaanon, they can't keep getting aAaAaway with iiiiiit
Poor kay ;_; she still streams at least.
Imagine fricking your game so bad that you drive some of your most well known content creators away from it. Ghazzy would have quit too if he wasn't making so much bank from it. A running theme with many poe streamers
>game shouldn't be balanced because your favorite one trick pony gurrrlll streamer might leave!
This is some absolutely moronic mindset
>>game shouldn't be balanced
The game isn't balanced as it is, so that's a moron take. Poe has not been anywhere close to balanced for like fricking 5+ years at this point with ease.
So yeah, literally deleting entire archetypes from actually being playable in the name of 'balance' when you balance and fix nothing to the point you drive away your most dedicated players, the kind of people you sponsor all the fricking time to advertise for you, is peak moron
The game wasn't balanced 5+ years ago either. People tend to forget but before the Summoner buffs and Herald of Agony golem, Summoners were shit for the longest time.
What the frick are you talking about. He said fricked, not that it shouldn't be balanced. Get your glasses you dumb frick.
her goodbye video really kicks me in the feels
POE mazies have been eating shit since 3.15 and anybody left playing at this point never experienced the true glory days of 3.13
I watched the stream yesterday and I have to say that I'm disappointed. For a game community that spent the last 3-4 years constantly shitting on Lost Ark they sure are now okay with all the shit the PoE devs added that is turning the game into it.
>dodge button
>flashy anime attacks that lock you in animations
>menus upon menus upon menus upon menus to do anything
>casualized weapon-switching options so that everyone can feel included
>alt weapon talents because apparently punishing a build every now and then is LE BAD now even if your build has weak points it won't matter because "bro just switch weapon up" and still be at 100%
>Spirit because they can't be arsed to balance around aurastacking anymore. Now the bots won't have an aneurysm trying to juggle auras and the people that still have 2 braincells to rub together won't be able to turbo-build around them
>Long cooldowns (LOL)
>"Totally-not-cooldowns"
Usually I would say "it's over for PoE" but they are pandering so much to the bottom of the barrel individuals that it may actually work out.
should i play PoE right now? whats that about a league or something like that?
Its free so you can start playing right now if you want. Usually its recommended to start at League start because the game resets and everyone starts from beginning. So you're learning the ropes of the game in Act 1 beach at the same time when all the other 209 000 players are in the same area learning the new League mechanic.
Sounds like I should skip this league and play the next one instead.
Too little too late for this one most likely.
>mazies
yep, I knew the kraut was here
>He also said since they pushed the launch up they are putting people back in PoE 1, so the league qualities will go up dramatically. Start playing PoE now
No, all you've said is that they're going to fix nothing and will keep making the shit pile of required grind higher.
Frick off, there's a reason why you're posting this, another desperate attempt to get people back into a dying game where the main problem is something the devs are determined to make worse with every major patch.
>Start playing PoE now
I'm not interested. I tried to pick it up multiple times and I don't think I ever made it more than ~30h on a character. When's the 2nd game coming out? I'll give that one a shot as a fresh start.
There is no second game coming, it's a big patch that will double the content bloat of the first by adding a second story that will keep everything from the first.
>There is no second game coming
Wrong, they just said yesterday it is a second standalone game now because they want the excuse to nerf and delete everything that exists already.
Astonishing, I was convinced they were hellbent on keeping all of the garbage from the first.
I wonder how P2W the second game will be and how long it'll take for them to make it just as bad as the first.
>p2w
>in a pve game
ok schizo
>get to end game
>cannot do anything else until you buy stash tabs
PoE2 will be worse, I don't know what yet, but you're going to have to buy something more just to keep existing.
moronic schizo, you never played poe.
>Has no argument, so he implies I never played it so that he can ignore the truth
Pic related, everything I said is true and you're so damaged that you can't even deny it anymore.
>300 hours
>W-W-W-W-W-WELL YOU DON'T HAVE 5463477 HOURS SO AHAHA I WIN NOW I WIN I WIN!!!!!!!
No argument from you, you admit that I am right and that this argument is over.
I played before it was on steam, so my total is higher, but the point still stands.
Ignoring the problem doesn't make it not exist, and the problem got worse every time they added more garbage to the game, you do not have enough room for all the shit you need to keep.
Anon, 300 hours in poe barely makes you able to have any valid arguments about the game.
Sorry, but some games you can review after 5 hours, but some take way more. Not all video games are equal.
>NO! I SAID YOU NEED MORE HOURS BEFORE YOU CAN DISCUSS THE FLAWS!!!
Cry more, your game is shit and you've wasted your money.
You will get no more replies.
If you're the same anon who has been crying all throughout this thread saying "I'm done with you" to everyone, then I'm pretty sure I will in fact get more replies.
>If you're the same anon
Naw, that would be me. Why do you morons treat an anonymous board like it's fricking reddit? Black person, just go on literally any other platform and you can do this crybully bullshit routine you kids love so much. And you won't get confused about who you are actually addressing. Fricking tourists.
Like it or not, mr. wannabe oldgay, but we have moronic homosexuals like you shitting up the thread every time it comes up, dedicated shitposters who seem to be on a lookout for specific game threads literally 24/7, and they always post the same dogshit "arguments" to rile people up. You might as well be avatargayging at this point.
I post on this shit heap of a board maybe once a year, usually when something I'm actually interested in drop. You can suck my balls, you homosexual gatekeeping zoomie frick.
Only argument you morons ever have is shitting your pants and declaring everyone else a baby.
>gatekeeping
Not only a wannabe oldgay, but also a reddit
fricking checks out lmao
Fricking clown.
I played 600 hours before I even felt the need to buy anything.
PoE2 was confirmed to be a separate game now yesterday. No more "two campaigns, one game".
Nope, they're separating the two games after all. Seeing streamers try the new demo showed how much slower pace the 2nd game is compared to first one. Ziz tried to speedrun the same way you do in PoE 1 and he got destroyed.
>even the campaign leveling got grindier
Honestly watching the gameplay made me think more of isometric Nioh.
There's no hasted rares with cold damage and lucky crits in nioh
>cut down content removing the horrible bloat of 1
>Support gems are now actual support gems instead of damage multipliers
>Universal movement skill
>Slower more methodical gameplay instead of ADHD screen clearing
>Class themed skills
>Melee is finally fixed
PoE is finally healing
gems are now actual support gems instead of damage multipliers
>wow this will be so good because we get choice now! the damage will still be there though right? because ggg are not clowns and will surely simply move the damage to the skillgem itself or to the tree
>oh wait, no they wont, that damage is just being deleted from the game, hope you like chasing even more low weight combinations of t1 rolls and then making sure to use 6 different skills to build charges and freeze things so you can hit for damage that actually visibly moves an hp bar 🙂
As always, anytime something is "this would be good if they also do this" it is bad, because ggg literally NEVER do the "also do this" part that is mandatory to make it work.
Does anyone else hope that Tencent/Chris puts a buy in price tag on PoE2?
min $70
Yes, because no one will buy it after what happened to PoE1, they'll be forced to go F2P after a year.
They can double dip in MTX with 2 games in development, why would they ever need a base price for the game when somebody is probably gonna buy several supporter packs for both PoE 1 and PoE 2 every new expansion/league/season
They're already confirmed all MTX purchases work in both games. Stash tabs and skins bought in PoE 1 will be completely usable in 2.
I know, but Jonathan also said that MTX for something like a Druid will not exist in PoE 1 and I wouldn't be surprised if both PoE 1 and PoE 2 gets their own supporter packs aka 6 MTX packs for PoE 1 and PoE 2 gets their own 6 MTX
>Nessa never recovered
>20 years later she turned from Mermaid into full fledged Siren with a monster for a vegana.
>why would they ever need a base price
$
that's what it's all about.
>A dev revealed the past year and a half PoE has been developed by a skeleton crew of 8 people
and how many devs were there before when they were still developing and not maintaining?
Why when they will make Path of Souls-like instead? I would rather start from there than waste time and effort in PoE1
>Play PoE
Can I make Waifus?
I don't think PoE/2 is an MMO
Does PoE have waifus?
yes
not really no. you want LA for that, i think.
There is no character model customization, that being said the female ones are cute and some of the NPCs are cute as well.
no, out of the 3 women characters 1 is a moron dyke, one is a feminist b***h, and the only one left is the witch who is fine.
everything in poe is ugly, it will always be ugly, that's why they can sell you 70 dollar armour sets because everything that you don't pay them for looks like complete dogshit and always will
>everything in poe is ugly,
New Sorceress class in the show has plenty of boob window and net thighhigh socks on top.
unless sitting in your HO trading with the other bots, does any of that matter?
>Everything is ugly in PoE! Its pozzed feminist shit!
>Its not? W-w-w-well it doesn't matter!
Nice moving of goalposts, troony.
no goalposts were moved.
also, i'm not spending thousands of my american dollars until chris buys his game back from 10Cent.
>no goalposts were moved.
False. Just like your pronouns.
I see you are upset.
that means you know it's true.
sorry chris, it's just the way it goes.
buy your game back, maybe i'll give you a few american dollars. I'm a whale btw, a big spender. 🙂
>New Sorceress class
her portrait looked like a fricking man idk what to tell you anon
i will wait and see if all her armour types have tit window and thigh highs, because i'm going to bet they don't. i'm going to bet its just as bad as poe 1 with no pants old men and people who just stick a piece of metal at an angle on their chest and consistently look like hobos
>her portrait looked like a fricking man
That was the Monk portrait you dumb frick. The co-op showcase was from the perspective of the Sorceress, the face icon on the left was the icon of the co-op player.
>That was the Monk portrait you dumb fuc
No it wasn't you fricking clown, the camera switched back to neons view at the end at the last boss section, which means the portrait for his party member was the sorceress. It looked like a fricking man still
>sitll looks like a man
Nice try. You will never be a real woman.
>sitll looks like a man
yes, you are literally blind if you think this is not an extreme man face anon. it is every bit as bad as rangers portrait
>t.
I'm sorry that PoE being superior game to D4 upsets your little troony discord group.
Poe died like a year ago.
Why does GGG keep nerfing ascendancies and branding it as a "rework"? Do they think we're stupid or something?
When israeliteJewisraelite calls something a nerf, they lose money. So they stopped calling them nerfs because they lack any moral code and are afraid of consequences of their own actions.
I know that sounds like a shitpost, but its legitimately the reasoning.
>Do they think we're stupid or something?
Look around in this thread. Do you think they are wrong? I've never seen this many corporate wiener suckers in one place at the same time, and I've been to board meetings.
They don't like negative feedback or anything bringing down their marketing, so they no longer talk about nerfs and double down on pretending everything is a buff so they can maintain their marketing investment
Yes, they think we're stupid. It's not just ascendancies, it's everything. Break rework? giga nerf. Beyond rework? giga nerf. But yes, sabo is dead, necro dead, glad is dead, new guardian looking dead unless the minion it summons is insane.
Fun is bad, must remove, must go slower, must be less tanky, must deal less damage, must die more for our metrics, must play longer each league instead of quitting in1 week (they cant change this one no matter what they do and it booty blasts chris so hard"
Are you moronic? PoE WASN'T only developed by 8 people.
Those "8 people" had assets and other stuff from maybe even thousand of people.
If you would give me all the assets those "8 people" had, I could create you a much better looking and playable game in UE5 in a year. They already had the most time consuming parts of a game and were basically just putting those into an engine.
morons like OP will never understand the difference between 8 people who actually create a game from scratch and "8 people" who basically only have to do 0.01 % of the work and are therefore more like 80000+ people.
The hardest and most time consuming work in creating a game is assets, motion, and sounds. Those "only 8 people" already had all of this and basically did a 1 man job, but took 10 times longer to finish it.
why would i play poe when poe 2 is coming out and making poe irrelevant???
because POE2 won't come out until another year LOL
is this latest upcoming league with 8 people? Cause it looks more high effort than the entirety of diablo 4 right now.
I don't even, wtf, lmao lol.
this is what late game arpg looks like
>no character editor
>gender locked classes
holy shit man it's 2023
>people defending a greedy israeli dev, now subject to even greedier and israeliteier asians, taking more time away from their life with pointless grind
Are PoE players idiots? I MUST DEFEND BRAND!! BRAND IS MY LIFE THIS IS A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME!!!
>People talking about a game they like in a thread about the game!
How dare they do that? Fricking shills should stop having fun right now! You better come to every single thread to whine about game you don't play yourself!
>t. PEOPLE ENJOYING VIDEO GAMES IS A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME!!!
this isn't your safe space
you're so edgy anon, going into threads of games you don't care about and being mad that people enjoy them
go grind something that matters like a job and get some b***hes
verification not required
I'll just enjoy the game, because it seems to make you lose your shit
I'm not the one crying about a game I don't play or care about, krautjeet
>I'm not the one crying
yes you are
why are you so upset at opinions you don't like? are you getting paid or something?