>Playing any other ARPG
>It's fun
>Playing Poe
>Need to minmax and most people just use pre-made meta builds
Why poe is such a b***h?
I really like gear and skill mechanics, but game is just so unforgiving that there's no room for experimentation.
Not every single game is meant to have the same skill floor. Poe is easy, you just got coddled with children's games.
So easy that almost everyone is just use pre-made meta builds instead of just playing the game.
There's a big difference between what counts as trash in poe and in other arpgs.
For Poe, the fact that you decided to play melee is enough to throw your build in the trash.
How the frick would either of us know what "almost everyone" does? I have always made my own builds. I think you're projecting. None of my friends used pre-made builds either.
I'm not sure if the premade builds thing is supposed to be a gotcha or something, considering that's the standard for every MMO and even a lot of singleplayer RPGs
I started by looking up what "meta" builds did and why, and then branched my own paths off them. It's mostly just knowing where things are on the grid (which PoB helps with immensely) and not going overboard into areas where your intended gear will pick up the slack. Most people don't want to put in the effort to learn.
>poison necro
Man that felt so good until you hit Hell.
The entire Barb class in D2 was worthless for 20+ years.
Unless you were a 1000hr melee loyalist who didn't mind overleveling campaign, minmaxing gear, and target farming uniques at the whims of lady luck.
Barb was top tier if you built him right, at least in CLoD.
>fastest cast rate in the game alongside sorc
>find item means 50%+ more drops per drop
>howl lets you easily separate bosses from minions for more efficient find iteming
>warcry is good enough for /players 1 farming of packs
>gearing war cry is practically free since you can dual wield spirits
>gearing zerk or frenzy isn't that bad either since Oath is really fricking strong despite being cheapo
>top tier council/gold farmer, top tier mlvl85 farmer, fine at ubering
>trivializes hardcore with his gazillion life and crowd control
He's just all around solid.
We literally have statistics that show 40-50% usage on some skils and items.
There is literally a class that is played by about 0% of the players.
Played diablo 2 numerous times, mostly melee barbarian or paladin and never had a problem on hell.
>skill is good
>everyone picks it
THEY MUST ALL BE FOLLOWING GUIDES!
Have you considered that if a skill is good everyone is going to read it and know that it is good and in turn use it? How dare someone have a portal gem in their off hand what a meta slave they could never have thought of that themselves.
please homie, playing an untwinked barb is absolute fricking misery the moment you reach hell
You dont have such statistics.
And no, poe.ninja is not that.
Same my first 15 - 20 characters in poe were shit but to this day I never followed a guide and always made my own builds now I can easily make any skill I want function even in SSF op is just too much of a lazy c**t to put in any effort an access any of the infinite troves of information out there about any mechanic in the game
sounds like you weren't unfortunate enough to start playing d2 blind as a melee build
>So easy that almost everyone is just use pre-made meta builds instead of just playing the game.
Shit damage can carry you as far as Red Maps and lvl 90+ as long as you have ton of HP and capped resists. You just can't beat most of the max level endgame bosses because those tend to have DPS check elements with them. Even then Quin has beat Maven even when it took half an hour with his shitty damage.
I don't see how your calculations have anything to do with everyone fricking using meta builds.
>beat Maven even when it took half an hour with his shitty damage
That doesn't sound fun and certainly doesn't help poe.
Both my friends and people online just advised me to use meta build.
Before you start making excuses further I want to say that no other game has this except shit mmos.
>Before you start making excuses further I want to say that no other game has this except shit mmos.
then go play grim yawn and enjoy your three attack types
why are you b***hing here about a game you don't like when alternatives exist catered towards you
You forgot that MOBA's exist.
>I don't see how your calculations have anything to do with everyone fricking using meta builds.
You don't have to use meta builds to get far in the game. To claim otherwise is to show you don't know anything about the game.
>That doesn't sound fun
Thats because you're not supposed to even fight those bosses with shitty builds but if you're persistent and mechanically good enough a player, you can still do it.
>You're not allowed to have fun and fight 90% of bosses unless you use meta builds
>fight 90% of bosses
Yes you are. You beat 90% of the bosses with shitty builds. Its the remaining 5% you can't beat without an actually good build. You're supposed to grind and farm the Atlas until your build is good enough to kill the ENDGAME bosses.
>take ssf bleed bowyer to eater of worlds
>fight takes half an hour because i have 50k peak dps and he has 20m hp
I don't know why you're playing pretend but you're not funny
>Wahhh why can't the game be easy?!
ok mister game journalist
>taking an argument to its (il)logical extreme to maintain your shitty point after it was just broken
You are really not funny
You're a shitty casual.
No I'm not.
>50k peak DPS
not subOP, but are you moronic? did you not equip half the gear? did you use a lvl 1 skill with no support gems? how are you able to achieve this when running maps?
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=hyperbole
I don't want to alarm you, but eater doesn't actually have 20m hp either. it's actually 33m LMAO
If I remember right my peak DPS on that build was closer to 200k, but the same principle applies
you are genuinely just dogshit, a day 1 bow and quiver, no other gear, and level 80 is already over double your damage with an HC tree lol
what game
Looks like Last Epoch.
PoE 2 trailer
>they brought breasts back after removing them in poe
wtf?
also shame, not gonna play chinkshit
>skill floor
The game is about as deep as a puddle that fact is hidden by horribly explained systems. The skill floor is low enough, but whether the average player can divine what is good is another matter.
I'm pretty sure garbage builds in any arpg will get your shit pushed in at endgame
At least poe is kind enough to reality check you regularly through the acts if your build is actually worthless.
Path of exile
>use aoe to explode rooms
>use single target skills on boss enemies
That's it?
No bro you're supposed to single target each of the 20 enemies on screen and then run in circles around the boss screaming while slamming your largest AOEs so you don't have to worry about aiming
First thing first POE is a preparation game, the action that happens after you prepare for a fight isn't where you're supposed to be getting your fun from. The fun is the prep, the build, the theory crafting. Mid fight the only real additions to that would be potion management, positioning, timing.
I see. Not for me I guess
Yeah guess not. Best to think of POE like an MMO raid with the guild. If you show up to the encounter and you do not already have your full res gear with knowledge of every single mechanic and how to survive it you're doing it wrong and not really understanding the premise.
>The fun is the prep, the build, the theory crafting
Yeah, that's why the first recommendation you get when you ask for advice is "get pre-made meta build".
Just look at all those 4k people with totally unique and original build.
>Yeah, that's why the first recommendation you get when you ask for advice is "get pre-made meta build".
You just admitted that you lack friends and asked strangers online for advice. Fricking kek man hide your powerlevel. Friends would have played through the game with you and guided your build decisions away from serious mistakes.
>start poe
>ask friend what I should play
>he links me pohx RF build
They didn't want to play with you. Guess what that means. "Friend"
>with you
nobody but the sweaty powerfarmers actually play co-op in poe, the spell effect screen cancer is bad enough when solo
Bruh. You're delusions make me sad. Most people play vidya with their friends. That's the default.
yeah, but poe is a terrible game to play with friends so you're better off playing something else
I don't know why you think that. I've got 2k hours with 95% being with friends. We're not powerfarmers in the slightest it's just more fun. I've only ever played HC so the fact that party play increases the enemy difficulty somewhat makes it more fun because the risk is higher.
Play whatever build you like. Just build a ton of HP (1400+ for Act 5 final boss, 3100+ Act 10 final boss, 5000-6000 for lvl 90+), cap your resists (except Chaos) and you should do fine. You get to Red Maps, hit level 92-94, get bored and quit the League like 95% of PoE players.
>But new League is kicking my ass!
Thats because new Leagues always have fluctuating difficulty curves because its still in testing phase.
>>The fun is the prep, the build, the theory crafting
it's for people who graduated poe. they don't even play game anymore, they theorycraft builds in Pob(third party app) and shitpost in general. There is minimal overlap between people in /poeg/ and people in Ganker's channel ingame.
Usually you'll also need for single target
>totem/brand setup that gets a curse or other similar debuff in
>any temporary vaal or otherwise charge based buff or debuff
>some builds have auxiliary singletarget like how some bow builds have ballista totem setups
>gem swaps if you need to
That's it, yes
The goal is to reduce the complex game mechanics down into a 1-2-1 loop that you can press without ever actually engaging with anything on your screen. This allows you to minimise the time spent playing and maximise the time spent sifting through the mountains of trash that drops, and thus maximise the amount of time you spend using the games horrible trading system.
This is the pinnacle
This is the vision
This is Player Interaction™
Used to be pretty good until the devs decided to remove pretty much every build that wasnt their favorite for the season.
You can experiment it just wont get you to hyper endgame. The most fun ive had was stopping playing guide builds and doing solo self found leagues. Most of the time I have to give up at mapping, but I discovered some things that make the game even more fun.
just how bloated is this game at this point? havent played in a few years and really dont want to learn a bunch of new shit again
*blocks your path*
Personally, I prefer Diablo 3
are argps dead creatively? did they peak during the 2000s?
>are arpgs dead creatively
Sorta, but that's an issue of most genres. Also every company that makes these blows wiener which is the more likely issue
Its a solved genre, the real solution is to iterate on then mechanical interaction focused and party based gameplay instead of number go up bloat that has remained untouched since guild wars 1 but no one seems to be ready for that conversation. More cynically, it's harder to monetize players without the dopamine hits of bigger number which is more likely the answer.
>look at this! a bunch of people are sheep following the leader, gotcha!
i dont understand what the point of these posts are
It amuses me how there's a class with literally 5 players so it rounds up to 0.0%.
If I can't make the same build work on one of the cute girls, then i'd rather just not play it
marauder gets a pass for being huge
>Looks at db for high levels using unascended classes
>Surprised when its low because who the frick would do that
Why are you moronic?
>play other ARPGs
>it's fun
>work PoE
>it's not fun
Surprising, isn't it?
The only fun arpgs are d1 and d2 because the campaign is fun
Don't pretend poe has any fun modern alternatives
Game is pretty shit, you either play one of the 2 viable metabuilds, tradetroon out and finish league in 2 days without any effort, thought or skill required, or you play SSF, grind for dozens upon dozens of hours and never find any worthwhile gear.
I thought these types of games were about levelling up your character and upgrading your gear by killing shit, so why am I being heavily punished for playing it the intended way?
>I thought these types of games were about levelling up your character and upgrading your gear by killing shit, so why am I being heavily punished for playing it the intended way?
Its the same effects as every new expansion for Binding of Isaac, its harder to find specific stuff you want when the item pool grows so huge. You find something good all the time but finding something good for your current specific build is tough. Which is why trading makes the game so easy and which is why in SSF its usually best to have a cookie-cutter league starter build as first character, then make a 2nd character based on what items you find.
Diablo 3 really is the superior game
>Every class is fun to play with a unique identity
>Skill based gameplay rather than purely gear based
>Changing builds is easy
>Plenty of theorycrafting and build diversity but not overbearing
>Grinding gear actually has a purpose beyond grinding more gear
>SSF on by default
Diablo 3 is for brainlets, it offers no build variety as the item set bonusses practically force you to play very specific builds, and there isn't nearly enough variety among these.
>Item sets
Um chud you know you can make ancient legendary builds right?
No, I haven't played this dumbed down turd in years, and I don't plan to pick it back up either.
>Diablo 3 is for brainlets,
Black person I bet 99% of poe playerbase never ever made an original fricking build ever
>Diablo 3
>Best game
This is so poorly thought, I'm sure thousand of braincells die in the process
because the developers are morons that dont play their own game and think 2mil is enough endgame dps (it's not you need 20mil minimum) and balance skills around that
as a result the only builds that are actually good are the OP ones that slipped past GGGs nerfbat
2mil is good if you can get there with no gear
2mil is a playable amount, thats if we're talking 2mil pinnacle boss dps, otherwise yeah its more like 6ish by that metric
>Need to minmax
I fricking hate redditor Black folk like you
Devs:
>these bosses are endgame content and they're designed to push your build and skills to the limit
moronic players:
>NOOOOOOOO WHY CAN'T I DO THESE BOSSES ON MY SHITBUILD
>I ONLY PLAY HALF AN HOUR PER DAY, I HAVE A FAMILY OF 7 AND WORK 3 JOBS
>SHIT GAME, DEVELOPERS OUT OF TOUCH! THEY'RE OUT OF TOUCH I SAY!
You don't even need a minmaxed build to run red maps, the only thing required of you is at least SOME game knowledge, so your build is not completely useless. Completely fricking braindead redditor Black folk like you have none though, so you use meta build guides and then pretend it's the only way to play the game. I fricking hate you braindead homosexuals so much, you invade any game with even a bit of complexity and you try to destroy it with your shit, because you're too low iq to grasp anything more complex than a virtual novel.
Then Poe is just a shit game.
Part of the game accessible to everyone like campaign is just trash.
>SHUT UP GOY WHO CARES IF TOTEM EXPLODE CAN DO EVERYTHING ON 1 C WHILE FUN BUILDS NEED 100 DIV TO COMPETE FRICKING CASUAL JUST BE HAPPRY RUNNING T12S FOR 500 HOURS
>everything needs to be viable
>you can't have a single extremely broken build for the league
have a nice day
>unironically defending 99% of skills being useless garbage
the ABSOLUTE state of poetards
>99% of skills being useless garbage
It's not even true, you redditor shitter
A skill not being able to get 10m dps on a 1div budget doesn't mean it's "useless garbage", you fricking metatroon
>uhm a skill doing 10x less damage than good skills doesn't make it bad
LMAO
>why would I pick this when other build is better
Have you tried having fun for once instead of being a pathetic metashitter?
>w-who cares if some skills do 10x the damage of others f-fricking metagay d-doing 100k dps is f-fun
have you tried taking ggg's wiener out of your mouth?
>d-doing 100k dps is f-fun
It's only your own fault that you're a shitter that bad.
You're correct, in a roundabout way.
He shouldn't have been using the bad skill and should just use the one GGG (and you) approve of.
You covered devs and moronic players, but forgot
Literally every person in every community
>why didn't you just play the meta?
>lol moron why are you playing offmeta
>i do 200mil dps 20c budget, skill diff
You don't need shit to beat PoE's campaign.
Shit's ignorant.
i've never touched a red map
i'm primarily a Delve autist
>Delve in 2023
Jesus christ.
I do one minion build every expansion and nothing else. Meat shields is the only way to play
I just wish that the /vg/ threads weren't absolutely infested with clearly mentally ill obsessive morons.
welcome... to chris wilson's poe
>game starts
>you spend 24 hours fighting a zombie in twilight strand
>it finally dies
>+0.00000000000000001% xp
>1 billion assorted oddly shards drop on the ground
>you are not allowed to progress further until you click each one individually and play stash tetris to fit them all in
>1 week in to the league
>you have finally made it through the twilight strand and reached level 2
>cannot enter first town without buying a key from MTX shop
>cannot leave town without buying 20 different types of stash tabs to hold all the different shards that dropped
>day 45
>you have made your way to blood aquaduct and farmed up two tabulas, one to use and one to sell on the new and improved trade market
>you write a letter in a bottle saying "tabula: 50c" and throw it into the ocean
>day 100
>you have farmed all of the tier 1 maps 30 times each and finally received a tier 2 map as a drop so you can progress your atlas
>last day of the league
>a pigeon flies to your window carrying a note
>wtb tabula offer 5c
>you try to send a message in game
>player offline
>chris wilson personally messages you saying "you will own nothing and you will be happy"
>the game crashes
GGG Games: Tencent (93.33%) Chris Wilson (4.39%)
To be fair, before the buyout, the game was also the same. Tedium upon tedium to get to the nuggets of fun.
because the devs are nofunallowed asses and balance around the meta-builds 10 forum autists knock together. you get a nerfbat where random shit gets pushed in regularly all due to one butthole pissing in Chris' raisin bran.
i understand their business model is "add more cluster so people buy tabs to organize them" but that shit is out of control, it keeps players away.
I don't really get why people complain about RPGs requiring minmaxing for hard content, aren't RPGs supposed to be entirely about the build crafting puzzle aspect and figuring out what's worth using and what isn't, and finding the strongest synergies?
Every genre eventually gets infested by casual shitters who refuse to play by the genre's rules and they demand it to be tailored to them specifically, even though they clearly don't belong there.
the issue is that if you make a wrong choice of talent or gems you want to use, passives or spells at lvl 10 and you then get destroyed in late midgame and undoing your shit build is going to cost you more than you can farm ever on that character, because devs nerf shit all the time because some builds are so strong so a meta of screenwarping instaoneshotting superfarm builds with the philosophy of kill thing in a flash before it gets close to you is the only thing that works becuse being tanky and slow and grinding down the devs favorite bosses and content without "respecting" their design makes the dev go pissbaby mad.
yes i am biased and got burned bad because i had a fun build in mind that looked like it would work paper, but i later learned that there are attacks that you cannot reduce the damage of, or heal from or something, i killed kitava and tried maps some years ago but could not go further because i was so locked into my doomed character and the gems and items i had.
i want to love PoE, but i cant.
Have they considered making it possible to play the game without a bunch of external tools?
>need discord
>need poeninja
>need path of building
>need trade addon
>need a loot filter addon
What a joke.
the only thing you somewhat need is path of building, have you tried not being a discordtroon?
You've never played PoE.
Okay, redditfriend.
loot filter/pob yes. The rest I never used over thousands of hours.
You can play your own characters if you're competent.
You just need to comprehend the scaling factors for the ascendancies and how those interact with skills.
4milly pob dps with dece defenses will farm redmaps no problem, you can throw that sort of character together for a couple divs.
Like last leeg I just bought a rakiatas on a champ and scaled it with perseverance, and it clapped redmaps just using smite/vaal smite.
People really need to stop basing their expectations around ubers or simulacrum.
I did that in ssf last league, but slayer instead. Got a rakiata from ToTa, made a build around it, got around 6-7m dps Smite/Vaal Smite. I'm planning to modify the build a little build for next league and do something similar in ssf, but try a two element two hander instead of rakiata.
Any Diablo 1 chads?
D1 > D2 > D3 > PoE > D4
>D3 > PoE
>game is made for the people who like it, rewarding expert players for game knowledge and time spent
WOOOOOOOW
What gets me about PoE is that I'm just too brainlet to parse, generally, what weapons would be upgrades to what I'm already using so I stay away from weapon builds entirely.
>Grinding
>Gear
>Games
Maybe when Riot get around to making their ARPG it will suit brainlets such as yourself. Path of Exile is a mature game for mature gamers such as myself.
>bocchi the troonyslayer
stay
ARPG Black folk are so mentally ill man
>doesn't even alch it
Fricking animal
>pushing the game and your build to the limits is bad because...
>it's just le bad
Everything wrong with PoE would be fixed with a sane respec system but disgusting sweaty nerds will cry if they ever add that.
Poe is proof that gatekeepering makes games better. Diablotrannies have been crying for literally a decade yet the vision remains
If you cant farm like .7 div to respec, you aren't cut-out for how grindy this game is
Even being the filthiest casual player on this planet that wants to play poe, you should be able to get to T14 maps. Just by running white T14 maps, with either exarch or squidward selected you will be getting enough currency for a respec in 30 minutes. Doing nothing but entering a map, running to the boss and killing it. Literally nothing else. You have to actively avoid picking up currency if you are someone who complains about having to respec.
>Need to minmax and most people just use pre-made meta builds
How to spot a redditor.
Have you considered killing yourself? How many hours have you spent in this genre and you are still so bad that you think you can't absolutely blast trough 99% of the content with whatever shit you clobber together on a 10 div budget.
Will minmaxing get you further faster? Sure, but thats the idea behind minmaxing, it gets you further faster in every game.
>no room for experimentation
Yea. Its a redditor. Meanwhile nearly every goddamn build works up to T16s, some slower, some faster, some squishy, some tanky. The only thing "meta" builds have is that they tend to cover everything. Speed, damage, and survivability. Literally nothing forces you to have all three on a build to enjoy it.
>2 has no scion
dropped dropped dropped
gonna get TQ2 instead
MY GAME
why do some people seethe about a video game this much
surely if you don't like it you just wouldn't play it, right
Chris Wilson stole 2000 hours of my time and then nerfed my favourite skill
I will never not be salty
People always get passionate about things they used to love, have you never noticed?
In a lot of the cases its salty Blizz drones that a game decimated their arpg. Its not actual fans of the game.
based Chris building the game for autists and not catering to the casuals by making the game shit like the Diablo franchise
They have the gall to call it a free to play game but stash tabs are mandatory to do the real game.
Playing through the acts though was still fun, but not as fun as running maps.
>wtf i can't put 1000 hours into this game without eventually spending 20$ on it?
>shit game
It doesnt take 1000 hours to complete campaign
you don't need stash tabs as soon as you finish campaign either, you disingenuous homosexual
You at the very least have to upgrade 1 tab to trade tab
If you want experementation and shitton of builds being functional - NEVER play the league during league start. You must have a good pre-defined league starter that gives you currency fast to chase high initial prices for gear. Wait for few weeks instead - all possible starting uniques will be dirt cheap and red maps setup will cost you 10c
Thay used to be the case, but now since theyad4 unique much rarer, and forced people to corrupt every item slot to get power back, uniques are more expensive than ever, and it only gets worse into the league as items get chewed up by corruption autists. The market in this game is totally fricked for regular players
I just play D2, D3, and Grim Dawn. I never tried PoE in my life.
What can PoE give me that Diablo and Grim Dawn can't?
The metrics GGG uses for the game success are player-retention, they consider a league a failure if you are not being forced to play every single day for multiple hours.
So they stretch out the endgame slop via nerfs and add stupid chase shit so the game is grind and trade based for you have to waste as much time as possible.
This in turn feeds into meta-slaving as people just don't want to do that and pick whatever is the most efficient for their time.
This, their whole game is about keeping you gambling and wasting time with every single mechanic and game design choice they make. It's a game that wastes your time, only really suitable for the highest tiers of adhd autist gamblers. XQC tier gameplay but high enough entry that it keeps the bottom feeders out
This is accurate
The whole game at this point is GGG trying to figure out how to make the endgame progression more time consuming each league
Sadly you're correct, just because the best player in the game can beat all bosses on SSFHC in a number of days they bog down progression for everyone and every build that actually needs gear. I have little of the situation improving until PoE 2 releases and they can "ease up" on trying to keep the playerbase mazed in PoE1.
stay filtered out of the real man arpg
what killed dilator 4?
Itself
Blizzard is just bad, poe didn't do shit
where are these numbers from
Steam of course, D4 was recently added there. (This doesn't count for standalone client PoE players or Battle.net users)
JUST IMPLEMENT THE AH AND LOOT PETS YOU BALD FRICK
the guy in charge of poe2 said he thinks there's nothing wrong with the trade system in poe1, so expect the same garbage
The only thing wrong with trading in poe is homosexuals who list things and then never respond to offers.
People understand implicitly that selling something for 1c/10c is a waste of time, but they do it anyway and ignore whispers because they don't use their fricking brain and just vend it.
>The only thing wrong with trading in poe is the system
yes
And don't forget people who intentionally try to manipulate the market by listing things low, not actually selling them, then buying up people who genuinely list at those prices because they assume that's the market rate, then relist on an alt for the actual price.
I generally agree it's the only problem and not a significant one. It's almost never a problem at that low price point. You can get the item for just a little bit more.
The funny thing is when people b***h that the trading system is shit because they can't get the lowest price. Oh boo hoo you have to pay 2c for an item instead of 1c or you have to pay 292c for a Divine instead of 290c but they never get to 292c because they hit all the 20-290c listings and give up.
But you think about it and realize that the majority of people are so fricking bad at the game that 2c matters to them. Like even at fricking league start 2c only fricking matters if you NEED to be the first person to have a fricking Cold Iron Point or something. And almost nobody is that person. They like to pretend they're that person but they're not, not when they're b***hing about the trade system.
This is also why I accept outrageous lowballs, and so should everybody.
The item is worthless to you, which is why you're selling it.
The orbs you get in exchange are significantly more valuable from the moment you acquire them.
I don't accept outrageous lowballs because I'm always the lowest price. I know someone else will come pay for it. Like some butthole trying to lowball you from 5c to 1c or from 5div to 1div when you're the lowest price is a fricker.
You don't ever have to accept lowballs if you price your items at the lowest point.
Like it's funny that the people messaging you think you'll take a lower price as if they think you don't know you're already the lowest price. I don't feel like it's worth rewarding those people, they frick people by default and I'll take a personal hit to not reward them out of spite. Because if it's an item of value it's going to sell guaranteed for the price I set it at; and if it's a dump tab and you're haggling me I'm clearly the lowest price and you're just being a total shit screwing me out of money.
Like obviously I know I'm one of the people who doesn't answer trades, but it's also true that the people who probably b***h the loudest about the trade system are incompetent and think they can't get through life without getting some kind of discount.
Like Christ, this league the Keystone tattoos, you could ignore every piece of shit asking for a lower price. Frick them.
I mean more like for rares where its like a ring with some random tier 2 rolls and a few days later some cheeky fricker whispers you half the listed price.
I don't mean popular items.
I think people have this ideal auction house in their mind where they could offload all the 1-2 chaos items that drop, not realizing that streamlining the trading system would mean nearly every item under 10c would drop to 1 alt in an afternoon.
I've never had a problem in 10 years, it just works. Buying in bulk is annoying I guess since I refuse to talk to discord trannies, but even that's only a minor inconvenience
and items dropping in price would be totally irrelevant since price reflects supply and demand and you'd just be able to buy whatever you needed for cheaper also
For me, it's having to click Ignore on every single fricking person price fixing every single fricking League because the system can't just ignore their whole fricking account for some reason. And I have to do it hundreds of times just so I can actually see relevant trades.
When you ignore the person in-game or on the trade site it ignores their entire account. Like do you mean that if you ignore them on the trade site it doesn't ignore them in-game? That's not really been a problem I've had.
I mean that it keeps resetting my trade ignores every League, is that not how it normally is?
>I mean that it keeps resetting my trade ignores every League
This does not happen.
Fricking warframe has a better trading site than poe, let that sink in.
kek, I remember Warframe trading. It even limits the amount of trades you can do in a day, hilarious. But being able to trade for premium currency was really nice.
Insane at what length these addicted hunchbacks go to defend this online casino called path of excrement. It must rewire your brain and overtake your persona. Otherwise I can't comprehend how people come here and defend the game fricking them in the ass over and over again.
>rewire your brain
It unironically does
This is why ARPGs as a genre are degenerate. I'm not using that word in the modern sense of 'things I believe are morally incorrect', I'm using it in its actual meaning of complex systems being collapsed into simple systems, because THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE GAME IS TO NOT HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME. You cut out everything you can in favour of sitting in your fricking hideout browsing the shitty trade website, doing the shitty trading, theorycrafting your items and currency, and when you eventually do play the game, you are focusing more on the text which is popping up on the screen than you ever did on the actual gameplay, because the game vomits endless oceans of garbage at you and the single most important skill you need to be 'good' at Path of Exile, is to know how to recognize a good item at a glance.
If you actually have to pay attention to anything that the enemies or bosses are doing then your build is automatically garbage because it is detracting from the amount of time/focus you have to spend on parsing through the tide of garbage on the floor. How the frick can people possibly defend this design?
well said
Just hit your resistance caps and then push life and damage. It's not hard you just suck.
It is 2023, to be able to farm red maps you need:
>all res at 77-78, capped OR 75 with spell suppression 100/53
>chaos res at least at 30
>at least 80% physical damage reduction from armor
>at least 80% physical damage reduction from evasion
>4k hp
Otherwise you WILL die in the red maps and you WILL die a lot.
Evasion does not provide Phys reduction.
You also forgot:
>At least 20% Phys to Ele conversion
>100% Spell Suppression (or 80%+ with Lucky)
When the frick lightning witch will be a thing again? All i see is fricking
>ignite
ignite
>ignite
ignite
>ignite
ignite
Is it because lightning doesn't have a dot, and chris bfr willson forces you to eat dotslop on every fricking build?
you can make a crackling lance elementalist easily and deal a lot of damage
you can even throw RF in there with how much regen you're getting from stone golem and passives
shaper of flames is too good to not use on every elementalist build. if you really just want to use lightning skills, you can do some shit like arc ignite with elemental equilibrium for massive minus res, and replica emberwake.
Been watching a D4 addict playing through PoE and it's a good emphasis of a lot wrong with the game.
>New player experience is shit, with a combination of anything beyond the absolute basics being badly tutorialized and how people are too stupid to check the fricking keybinds or what is available to them and figure stuff out, opting to bash their head against stuff with things that don't really work instead (act 3, refuses to use the z key to see all loot, keeps forgetting to turn his Herald of Agony back on after dying, actively misunderstands stats and then doesn't check his character sheet to actually see what it did, like assuming he has 100% Crit chance because of 100% Increased Crit chance, never bothers to check what the gem vendors are selling on their gems page and just assumes the quest rewards are all he gets, then complains about a lack of gem variety, actively using 2-link Caustic Arrow, 3-link Rain of Arrows, and an unlinked ballista and just assumes he's supposed to be dying this much)
>Even when people try to help him in the comments section, he actively chooses to ignore them to "get a proper new player experience and see if the game is good enough to let someone brand new make their own build (new players seek help because the game is not good enough for that)
>Also already found out how dogshit respeccing is, yet continues to soldier on alone
Sounds like he just doesn't want to like the game
"New player experience" only matters in a pvp/comp game, in a game like poe its not supposed to be immediately won, its intentional that you go through some trial and error in making a character
Congratulations, Anon. You win the award for "most disingenuous homosexual of the day" for genuinely defending PoE's irredeemable respec system.
shitters stay filtered
New players are supposed to get filtered. That's the point. Back in shrine league I didn't cry because I didn't hit maps in my first league, I was too busy sandboxing random characters and having fun spamming piety runs.
Zoomers first exposure to POE is watching streamers/redditors blasting with 500 div builds and they think they should be able to accomplish that off the bat. You ruined it for yourself, stop trying to ruin it for everyone else
Takes less than a div to respec. Stop advocating for changes to a game that (by your own admission) you don't even like.
Hey, at least it's not Grim Yawn or Last Sleepoch.
Why do they hate melee so much? Most melee gems have pitiful numbers on top of nerfed attack speed and the inherent weakness of having to get close to deal damage.
And holy shit at the sheer amount of worthless nodes on the tree.
They think there's nothing wrong with melee, and also the low playrate of melee means they won't bother spending effort to rebalance it.
Dunno but I miss when slams were strong. Inherently balanced by low range and needing to press several buttons.
Boneshatter is extremely boring by comparison, even if it is objectively good
I don't fricking know, they keep some super OP builds alive forever so you can even kill Ubers in HC without any gear but for melee you need insane gear to not feel like AIDS. I guess Boneshatter Jugg is enough melee for them.
>super OP builds so you can kill Ubers in HC without any gear
Such as...?
>No response after 10 minutes
Yep, that's what I thought.
If you're good at the fights, detonate dead is a good option
detonate dead??? how has no one responded fricking detonate dead, does anyone in this thread even play the fricking game
Why would I spoonfeed morons who can't even google? And it was already said before you.
As someone who never played DD before, it looks incredibly boring to the point I'd fall asleep before reaching T10s.
the question wasn't if the build was fun, the question was a build you can play hc and kill ubers with no gear and the answer is always detonate dead, it's just a broken skill.
Okay, but is it boring?
yeah it's kinda boring, i miss spell slinging it with volatile dead.
Thank you. Back to the drawing board then.
if you want something fun at least for me that is also uber viable you could play champion lightning srs, it's very fun to build and progress and srs is neat to play mechanically too. kinda not ssf viable if you play that though.
...Lightning SRS.. On a Champ? What.
it is very strong and tanky
Well, shit, alright. I'll at least give it a try next League if it doesn't randomly get shot in the foot in patch notes. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened to me.
>Not SSF
And yeah, I don't mind that, SSF is grossly overrated.
>On a low budget, you're looking at about 10 million DPS
>Okay, what's a "low" budget?
>Level 68+ Medium Minion HP Cluster israeliteel
>March of the Legion
>Devouring Diadem
Ah, so that's why it's not SSF viable, cause that thing is elusive as shit (and expensive as hell) now and looking at the tree, you'd lose at least 10 points picking it up from the Keystone.
And looking it over, this seems super reliant on tats for a lot of its scaling. Even the first iteration of SRS in the PoB is using the +1 Int Gems Tat and casually asks you to spend around 100 Regrets on top of the minimum gear.
I fricking hate cluster israeliteels
So much.
I don't mind them, I personally dislike the content they are stapled to.
>Delirium has obtuse, shitty mechanics that make it borderline-unusable on some maps because of the whole "decays in a radius from start" thing rather than a standard timer
>They can also be found in Heist chests, and I think Heist is just plain bad
I will say, even if I think the penalty on the new Delirium Keystone is way too severe (infinite fog, but no Deli orbs or Splinters), I will admit that it's great for SSF farming Clusters and would be a great example of making this build more SSF viable. Diadem however is a huge fricking problem, since it's limited to Yellow+Catarinas and has an abysmal drop rate (somewhere around 5% since they recently fricked up her drop tables). Unlike Ashes and Omni, this thing isn't so much build enabling as borderline mandatory for casters that aren't Mana stackers and don't have super easy access to EB in the tree. And even then, it's still preferable because of its FREE mod of choice* and a huge amount of reservation efficiency.
the hardest thing to get there is the israeliteel, devouring diadem and march of the legion is extremely cheap, you can even target farm diadem
also you don't need the tattoo's i didn't play with them cause i couldnt be bothered, he made that build when tattoos didn't exist during a boss gauntlet
>the israeliteel
You're actually moronic. It's tedious to get a specific Medium Cluster, but far from impossible. Even with only White maps in the event your build is too shit to do Yellows and Reds, you can just invest in Delirium nodes. You get 36 passives from White maps, which is enough to pick up the majority of all Delirium nodes including the Keystone and then you can just hell farm it at a very relaxed pace without any issue.
I'm not even going to say anything about the rest of your post, cause you fricked up at the starting line.
did you even read the reply chain? are you moronic? that anon implied that getting all that shit is hard when it really isn't, i was just saying the hardest part is most likely the israeliteel relative to the rest of the items. what is your problem???
>that anon
That Anon is me and you're double-moronic.
I was solely referring to the Diadem. I guess I should've put "okay" and "alright" after the israeliteel and March for dipshits like you.
you can literally target farm diadem
Sure, you CAN target farm for it, but you sure as frick are not going to be able to reliably do it with "Lightning SRS" prior to getting a Diadem at which point you don't need it. It's locked to Yellow maps, at which point some Betrayal mobs will start hitting like trucks, even against a Champ if he is stuck in bad gear.
And on top of that, you're speed limited by Jun missions, which you can only get so quickly.
But go on, keep going. Tell me why I'm moronic and list off shitty, unfinished tangents of ideas.
Guess you gotta play lancing steel until diadem drops.
ok but youre a moronic homosexual because
1) the anon already prefaced that he's not playing ssf and the build recommendation post clearly stated it would be kinda aids to play in ssf
2) this build was specifically used in a boss guantlet ad the guy got 4th place with it so the entire notion was that it's POSSIBLE to get in ssf and the hardest fricking item to get in ssf is the israeliteel which the motherfricker that made the build agrees with in both the pob and the video AND also states in botht he pob and video that you are going to be playing boneshatter before you get the easier shit farmable shit like diadem
3) youre an autistic moron that decided to shoehorn his autistic nothing statement about a recommendation that was already established between the 2 parties talking about it originally
seriously get your fricking autism diagnosed or rot
> It takes around 15+ maps to get Cata
> 5% drop
Enjoy running your 300+ maps just for that
>Enjoy running your 300+ maps just for that
You've never played PoE at all, have you...
If you think 300 maps is a huge amount for a farming sample, you've never attempted to farm Div cards before.
For some shit meta unique that can be bought for a mere div? Sure I will.
>inb4 trade
I don't play such builds in a ssf/hc, since I always cook my own stuff that doesn't require any 'chase' uniques.
theres a way cheaper option for the cluster that he recommends, the expensive one is 12 passives while the midgame one is this. without all the minmax shit, even without tattoo's the build does 10-15mil dps. definitely not a hard build to get goig on trade, it is difficult on ssf but loreweave, diadem, march aren't really that bad.
You create corpses, pop them and run away
The damage is partially based on the corpse health, which means it scales more without items meaning your gear can be focused more on defensive mods which is why lots of the league launch races are won by a dd player unless something is busted otherwise
Clear speed has a little to be desired but isn't that bad either
I think they want all playstyles to hit a wall like melee does, just that spells fundamentally have damage baked in and they can't really frick that over for people
Melee also has to invest into accuracy, its awesome
More like
>Play PoE
>Right click once and every enemy within 500 miles drops
>Take 0 damage from any attack
>Millions of pieces of loot drop but all of them are worthless, if I werent using an addon to filter and spoonfeed me my eyes would bleed out
>An enemy 3 screens away that I have killed thousands of on my last right click somehow rolled 10 affixs and oneshots me
I really WANT to like PoE but it feels like its what if you explained the genre to an ADD zoomer and had them design it.
As much as people clown on them for wanting to slow the game down their gem system is borderline ruining the game in so many ways its crazy
I booted up D3, ran the challenge rift and instantly had more fun in 4 mins than I did the entirety of this POE season with the goddamn moronic autobattler bullshit
any game that requires 2 braincells to play makes Ganker seethe way too much, when did this board become a bunch of sour grapes
>walking simulator
>requiring braincells
lol wat?
the building of your character is what requires the multiple braincells, everything that goes into problem solving your shit is the fun part about this game specifically (and most arpgs cause there isn't a single hard one mechanically)
>the building of your character is what requires the multiple braincells, everything that goes into problem solving your shit is the fun part about this game specifically
correct opinion
which is why I would rather play Path of Building than Path of Exile
>I really like gear and skill mechanics, but game is just so unforgiving that there's no room for experimentation.
What the frick? PoE is a walk in the park, I stopped playing it because billion enemies were so pathetic and weak anything you did was good enough. I'd rather just play the original Diablo 2
>Inb4 but it gets hard after 666 hours
you can say that about every arpg though if you know how to build, D2 isn't any different. if anything poe has harder endgame bosses than D2
>you can say that about every arpg though if you know how to build, D2 isn't any different.
Diablo2 is different because you feel challenged from the very beginning. PoE feels like all enemies are there just to be obliterated, I started playing it with no idea of what I was doing just some witch with fire spells and the game felt like a joke. I am not some sort of soulsgay who think hard=good and easy=bad but PoE is way too easy for a very long time. I guess it gets hard at the end but I didn't bother.
Balance in PoE is utterly horrible, they fricked it years ago. 99% of builds will struggle in red maps for hundreds of hours and then you suddenly have enough currency to rebuild to one of the 10 builds that don't struggle with anything and delete everything in the game in less than a second, and there is no in-between.
The entire thing needs to be rebalanced from the ground up, and yes, all enemies need to be nerfed, and they can't balance shit around increased max res, max chaos res, and spell suppression. Stuff like that needs to be an optional bonus, you can not make the absolute cap of defenses mandatory, it fricks over way to many skills and builds.
They aren't gonna do any of that, instead they are releasing PoE2 that has a much better pace of combat.
All builds get boring after a while
I just want a goddamn Necromancer class that doesn't requirement to grind 20 hours to summon ONE (1) monster because I need to get the fricking gems and cross my class(es) that aren't built for necromancering.
HOW THE FRICK do you look at Diablo 2, see a popular class and go "no."
>Be a Bald Fricking moron
Ah, I see.
What are you talking about you schzo you can summon zombies, skeletons and skulls since act 1.
no, he's talking about you can't do shit like pure spectres anymore without summoning 9 trillion zombies, the one frenzy buff monkey spectre, carrion golem, ect.
You must have a sixth sense to be able to figure that out from his babble about gems and classes.
Witch's feet
Man, Last Epoch can't come out soon enough. Too hell with this fricking path of online casino that needlessly just wastes everyone's time. It used to be a game with fun first, but today it's just a busy work simulator for freaks who need to fill a void that is left from not having anything else in their lives. The good days will never come back. Rage and rail against this post as much as you want. Deep down you know I'm right.
I hope that they don't immediately burden PoE2 with the same problems the first one has from the start. But my faith in the kiwis is waning.
If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention
LE has an MTX store and is owned by Tencent, despite not even being out of EA yet. It's baby PoE.
I really want to like Last Epoch because it has a lot of genuinely good ideas, but it just feels so amateur that I can't give it more than a 7.5/10. Their design process needs immense amounts of streamlining.
That said, at least it fricking tries to advance the genre rather than wallowing in the absolute worst aspects of ARPGs and somehow making them even more awful.
>if i want to play spin2win i need to pick the nig
fastest uninstall of my life
poe is cringe
If you can beat the optional endgame uber bosses with any random shit you string together, the game will be shit on for being too easy.
You CAN do the atlas with decent gear and a garbage build though, so why can't you experiment, again? I'd complain more about not being able to respec for free.
Your build needs to be 2% as strong as optimal shit to actually do pinnacle bosses and high tier mapping
Yes this game will hard stat check you, but ultimately on the grand scheme of things plenty of builds do check a box for pinnacles and t15 maps
>Responding to a frogposter with earnesty
What is wrong with you people? It's a literal bot whose only purpose in life is to gather (You)s.
At least we'll have POE2. Thankfully they're chasing the Elden Ring audience for the sequel so if they remove all that ARPG garbage design from POE1 it might be a good game.
>rollslop
ewww no
I hope they tone down the online casino part and move the genre to real skill checks. This artificial difficulty with gear checks is getting tiresome.
Lol
Lmao
lol
lmao
Maybe it's time for me to face it, twin stick shooters are the future.
I wonder what are they actually thinking with this one. The concept of this is worse than the concept of poe 1. It is pretty much ruthless the game.
>pretty much
Ruthless was originally them making a PoE2 formatted game mode. They just disguised it as "hard mode" to throw people off and make Chris look like a complete obsessive psychopath with how much he talked about "hard mode."
I honestly have no expectations for this but I hope it will still be fun in some way, gameplay wise it hardly seems like PoE at all
It looks way too slow.
It's gonna be slow for the campaign I bet but we still have no idea what the endgame is gonna look like. If it's the same roll and chip ALL the time it's gonna be beyond tiresome to play.
PoE 1 became way too fast so this is a good thing.
It's honestly still faster than PoE1 was super early on. Doing Docks EXP runs and Piety runs for loot was genuinely sluggish. Some of the footage we got from PoE2 (when people weren't stuck in bad gear like at Exilecon) shows players being able to kill things at a decent pace, even if bossing often requires big combo effects.
Black person just play SSF or private league.
>but game is just so unforgiving that there's no room for experimentation.
That's what the autists who like PoE like. They *want* that unforgiving pressure, because then they can give a counterforce with their builds.
>You're having fun... incorrectly.
That's the game's slogan.
>game's performance gets gradually worse and worse year by year
I'm done with this piece of shit game, it's more loading screens than gameplay now.
Hello newfriend. How does it feel being so new that your opinion is literally factually wrong.
Poe has had such terrible optimization issues, that on HC you would not even get into a party if you used belly of the beast because it autoenabled gore mtx that lagged everyone the f out.
Same with skills like firestorm, or blade vortex. You would see a pack of 10 mobs and hit them with poison and lag the frick out.
Rubber banding? Remember that? Got fixed as well.
Sure you still need a decent PC to run it, but with a 1070TI and a mid tier cpu i could run the game with barely any issues, outside of super juiced maps with explode.
its still fricking terrible you moron and has gotten substantially worse with this league's release
poe's recommended hardware 10 years ago used to be 2 gb of ram. now the recommended is 16. game's fricked.
ARPGs are "Diablo" clones, the original had a lot of impact to the point most people don't realize how important the game was to everything after.
The loop in the original was >go into zone with monsters > use your pre-given archetype (warrior, sorcerer, rogue) to kill all monsters > monsters drop loot through a slot machine gambling mechanic > go back to town and identify loot, buy gear, potion up > back to monster zone.
It's no fricking secret that the 'fun' of this TEDIUM is purely gambling, slot machines, randomly generated items, and the mechanism that locks people into the skinner box of repeating the action.
Gatcha games just do this better. And even better than that? Go to a fricking casino or gambling website.
>bro just go and gamble real money instead of just simply playing a video game
you realize you are just a gambling addict right, imagine unironically recommending gacha and real casinos over just rerolling fake mods on fake items.
The point is Diablo is not much BETTER than plain gambling, and the skinner box was the cause of the popularity. Later, it was the Diablo 2 battle net ladder. People forget that Diablo was not much more than the slot machine and it didn't have any online play.
Most video games even today are tied to casinos and slot machine or pinball technology (which are related) and I think people need to accept that the 'fun' of videogames in general can't be divorced from gambling. The art of vidya depends on the history of gambling much like the art of cinema depends on theater. (no need to be upset about it)
>The point is Diablo is not much BETTER than plain gambling
Black person there's a big difference between grinding for something aka putting in actual effort and working towards a goal, and just straight up paying cash for a chance at getting something.
>Black person there's a big difference between grinding for something aka putting in actual effort
1. You can buy power in D4
2. The only things you can actually "grind" for in D4 are super ultra special rare items which have a 1 in 1000000 chance of dropping. Outside of those specific items, the only loot is just the same exact drops but with slightly varied character-specific stats on them. No items are zone-specific, no items have special drop or crafting conditions, and no enemies have special loot tables you farm them for.
>D4
Black person no one is talking about D4, just like no one is playing D4.
Sounds like you haven't played the game and rely on third hand opinion.
Holy fricking moron, your solution to gambling is gambling with real money instead of your time. I swear the shit people type on here gets more asinine by the day.
>your solution to gambling is gambling with real money instead of your time
yeah, im sorry you're a poor moronic Black person
>just pay money for progress
You gachaBlack folk are beyond helping.
but diablo also had potential which the second game harnessed to some degree while still being early in exploring the loop. The RPG element of using the gambling aspects to progress the character and the story (which was near From Soft levels in the first game but expanded --for better or worse-- in the second) and MUCH later, rogue-likes and rogue-lites were married to the ARPG and you get shit like Hades and whatever.
Path of Exile did Diablo 2 and then complexified it to an insane, and infamous, degree (basically a poster child for what NOT to do when designing a skill tree) but this further mechinizing reinforces the gambling addiction, so good for them. Grinding Gear Games is now owned by TenCent so we know where their current priority is ($ for commies) so the game is on it's death spiral.
Lots of indies are trying lots of shit with this new complex loop (ARPG, roguelikes/lites, and autochess apparently) like cult of the lamb also adding weird village building shit.
Who knows? But PoE is FRICKING DEAD.
I've noticed a lot of "Diablo 4 Player tries PoE for the First Time" videos and shit on Youtube recently, and by and large the unifying factor to all of them seems to be that the players new to the game do not read anything ever, they retain no information, they come into the game with entirely pre-conceived notions about things like classes, skills, balance, etc., and so, so fricking often they say the same shit like "Wow, more drops not for my class/that I can't use."
Which leads me to believe that everyone who has not already played and learned to play PoE, is basically never going to and shouldn't bother because holy absolute fricking shit is it painful to watch someone fail to grasp the basic concept of reading a skill gem to see what it does or reading currencies tooltips.
>kill hillock
>go into town
>help panel blinks and has arrow pointing at it
>not like it's some in-depth guide but has some basics and points you in the right direction, tells you to experiment and read
>"I'm a strong independent gamer who don't need no help!"
>"Wtf why is my damage shit why am I dying??"
blizzdrones cannot read because they are 80 iq Black folk
oh look another pathofmatth thread
PoE is fun too. New league next month if GGGers follow their own schedule.
>but game is just so unforgiving that there's no room for experimentation.
Skill issue, though I do agree that there are a bunch of things that need to get brough up to snuff.
My biggest issue is not having enough new stuff to tinker around with every league. We really need new active skill gems or the league feels boring.
I'm happy replaying builds as long as they still function like they used to. Cold DoT is such a shadow of its former self that i have to wonder how people still play it.
What matters to me is if the new mechanic is fun or not.
And here lately, we've had a lot of stinkers.
>Expedition (bad because of the patch, mechanic itself is fine, drop rate of Logbooks is irredeemably bad without juicing)
>Scourge (mechanic is mediocre cause of "lol you take 2billion% damage and have to go fast cause it's on a timer" and the loot is irredeemable, barely held off from worthless by the corrupted currencies, which have relatively little use at the low end of things
>Archnem was actually pretty fun even if most mobs you made turned into suicide monsters, marred long-term by its horrible implementation when going core
>Sentinel added nothing to maps AND has nothing outside of maps, it just gives you a drone that makes mobs more dangerous, necessitating a strong build and cutting out a handful of potential outliers that otherwise could have been good, the only redeeming factor is that Recombinators are disgustingly good
>Kalandra was just plain dogshit, added nothing to maps (while still being reliant on maps, which is another bone of contention I have with maps being the ONLY endgame content, but that's not about the Leagues themselves) and the out of map content was a suicide fiesta that demanded a strong build if you wanted basically any rewards worth a shit
>Sanctum added nothing to maps (while still relying on them...) and the out of map content is so polarizing that if it didn't print mad stacks of money at the end, nobody would run it (like if it had a healthy spread of Uniques, small currencies, some bigger currencies, and other League loot instead of just being a Divine dumpster [also frick the Ex>Divine change])
1/2
>Crucible added almost nothing to maps, requiring you to stop everything, throw an item on the grill for a pittance of EXP progress, and then fight super dangerous monsters for 0 loot
>Ancestor adds nothing to maps () and the out of map content is so completely fricking messed up that the strongest way to play without a specialized build is to either be a suicidal monkey constantly causing enemies to run back to deal with you or turtling up to deal with their Flankers, AI is actively designed to be as annoying as possible, grossly overtuned, and you get almost no loot, even the "valuable" outliers are so excessively rare that you have to run this shit hundreds of times to break even let alone profit
2/2
Imo
>expedition
Absolutely shit. Stop in the middle of the map, and click some flags AND you cant ignore it because no other league is as profitable
>scourge
Good idea shit execution. Reality switch should have pulled all the mobs from normal map with you and you shouldve had unlimited lvl 3 rerolls.
>archnemesis
Would be good if it wasnt for shittiest UI
>sentinel
League I had most fun with, better kind of torment, recombinators were great AF
>kalandra
Absolute irredeemable dogshit
>sanctum
Good league. Its good to have something like delve, completely disconnected from maps once in a while. They're overdoing it with last league though
>crucible
Shit idea, shit execution
>ancestor
Overdoing delve-like leagues is not good
expedition isn't profitable, it gives good bubble currency, if you want PROFIT literally anything else is better, you already prove yourself to be a fricking moron
There is no alternative for leaguestart. What are you going to farm instead? Deli with fat mobs and next to 0 loot? Blight with no loot at all until uberblight? Harvest with 800 liveseed per map at best? You cant ignore it
>everything is shit
>but I will still play!
how does one become so mazed
I hate these Zoomer phrases, but mazed really is the right word for it in the case of PoE. Mazed describes the people who still like this game down to a T.
The game has too much bloat, which would be fine if it was decently balanced mind you, making it extremely difficult to make builds from scratch. For some reason people expect the devs and players to be able to autistically remember different mechanics introduced in 2018 that may not even work anymore due to balance shifts.
The one thing keeping a lot of people playing is this idea of
>just have prior knowledge bro
>just watch this 1 hour video explaining 1 of 120 mechanics bro
Which is moronic and gets happily criticized in every other game yet its okay here for some reason. Nobody is going to want to play a game where hours of your time gets wasted because the skill/gear you chose doesn't scale well past tier 3 maps and the game just goes
>just farm the same map over and over on your non-functioning build that feels terrible to play
>or you can restart from scratch probably not knowing you chose the skill that needs 2 uniques you would never know existed to function
I've never had these issues since I started when Piety farming was endgame. All the knowledge I have naturally because I experienced it when it came out. But a new player will just quit if the first thing the game shows when opening a tutorial looks like some wiki article. Also, for a game that touts experimentation it really punishes you for experimenting at lower levels for some ungodly reason. I can easily get 500 regrets on my lvl 90 char, but I don't need them at that point.
Skill issue, you're a homosexual, shill homosexual, git gud, moron (moron), also you're wrong.
That being said I would argue the 60+ hour tutorial plus endless hours of spreadsheets and wiki pages is the entire charm of the game. It would be way too basic otherwise.
The fricking up and rebuilding is part of the game experience, part of the loop itself, no different than slaying ubers. Without it, the game has little appeal. At least, that was my experience during this last league. Hadn't played in 7~ years and remembered nothing.
I'll give the benefit of the doubt since you say you haven't played in ~7 years, but the fact that currently regrets are just used for currency exchange instead of its main purpose is quite objectively moronic. Sources of respec points need to be more common (campaign only) so people can actually experiment, the idea that you can only experiment once every 5 hours is absolutely baffling for a game that touts about the different builds you can make. Expecting people to just know how to speedrun the campaign in 45 minutes is dumb because it again just assumes you know everything already.
>60+ hour tutorial
>charm
This Wiki culture shit is moronic, good games didn't have any issues explaining themselves naturally for years until they just gave up when people started data mining everything. It's not charm its the devs being lazy or not even understanding how their own game works. Do you think its okay for MMO's to no longer explain or telegraph attacks because they just assume you have a mod/addon that shows you what to do? All PoE needs to do is just give a recommended Passive Tree until ~level 55 (Cruel Labyrinth) and after that it hopes you understand the game at that point. An option should also exist that hides parts of the passive tree so new players aren't overwhelmed, it's insanity to expect somebody to just know everything instantly.
Do you genuinely not think its a problem that 80% of players wait for someone else to just post a working build and copy it for 2 leagues until it gets nerfed?
Seems like people who play this can't stop it anymore and play the game for every waking our that they aren't forced to do or to be somewhere else. Doesn't sound too healthy.
broadly speaking path of exile players are the absolute most insufferable community i've literally ever encountered
i have a really small cozy stream, handful of regulars depending on which game i'm binging, all really good vibes, good people, plenty of gentle ribbing and shitposting but all in good fun.... when i try to play path of exile it's like a fricking light switch, suddenly "flooded" with salty losers or the salty loser in a regular comes out
>"if ggg doesnt do something BIG next league i'm DONE with poe until poe2.. game is DYING because no new skills!!!!!"
>still plays next league, poopsocks it for 1-2 weeks then tosses it aside like every other league
>game continues to grow
>>game continues to grow
yeah it isnt 2019 anymore gramps, games been losing players since expedition
It has basically stayed the same since 2021. No growth or decline either way.
Only a matter of time if they keep on fricking about though. I hope Wilson and his entire company perishes.
not really, the vast majority of players just play the league for like a month, maybe even like 2-3 weeks and frick off until the next one. Ganker is just universally bad at video games and can't set goals for themselves and pick and choose what they want to do, unironically people that complain about build guides needs the most hand holding.
Arent all ARPGs like that? The people who poopsock through an entire season are a tiny minority while most people just play until endgame, get bored when their character isnt gaining that much power anymore and frick off
yes but from an outsiders perspective morons think poe has 100k players daily poopsocking double corrupts or something
I haven't played in like 6 leagues, basically just sitting around waiting on poe2
>but game is just so unforgiving that there's no room for experimentation.
that might be the dumbest take I have ever read.
You set your own goals each league and its all about experimentation.
Yeah bro, cool experiment where you hit a wall immediately if you deviate a nanometer from course and have to grind hours to correct course. If I wanted to get my life devoured by menial and repetitive tasks with little to no pay, I'd ask my employer to work for free.
>Playing any other ARPG
>It's fun
huh?
When do they release the offline singleplayer version?
You can't push impulse driven gaymers into buying overpriced pixel shit. So it will never happen unfortunately. I wish the game was structured like grim dawn. You could either mod it or run old patches if you don't like the direction. Guess we have to endure baldo slop or just piss and shit on the game until the lights go out.
I want a MMO that has POE's itemization and currency systems.
Preferably with item drop mechanics.
I blew 70 bucks on stash tabs and enver played it again. I am unemployed, do I pull the trigger on this? lmfao
>already have the stash tabs
at least they're permanent, cant imagine spending that much though, i put $25 in for currency, map, and essence and a few premium tabs and have been eyeballing the unique tab but otherwise cannot care
If you value your life, don't play it. Most people who get hooked don't have the mental capacity to reflect on the game's design and their decisions and why they got suckered into it. Over time the game rewires their brain, and they detach from society and play this game for 90h each week easily. Your call, buddy.
Got it, you've convinced me.
Grim Yawn >>>> A lizard enema >>>> Blizzard disabled LGBT week >>>>>>> etc >>>> PooE.
Bloated skinnerbox, always online garbage. Might as well be playing a gacha by this point.
wtf happened to grim dawn btw. I see they added a dodge, what else did they frick with?
>Years later in 2023
>Click on steam forums
>Click on any thread shitting on the game
>It's that one dude jumping to the game's rescue every time
The worst part about POE is that Tencent had to step in and make the CN version the superior experience.
>more options when starting a league
>actual ingame auction house
>skill videos
>ingame league starters with build guides you can select when creating a character
>pets to pick up all the currency you keep dropping on the ground
>etc.
Imagine being Wilson and losing to the Chinese when it comes to your own game
>Nerfs are needed, but then are poorly thought-out and hamfisted in
>Buffs are needed, but are ignored entirely, or are embarrassingly ineffective
>90% of game content (gems, ascendancies, etc.) are useless because of the inability to make basic numbers adjustments and keep them fine-tuned against the meta
>Ridiculous design overhauls (i.e. Archnemesis) from developers who very obviously don't play their own game, which NO player enjoys but they refused to remove it
>Even after pretending to remove it they leak those changes back in bit by bit with each update
>Terrible new league mechanics, where even Reddit correctly identifies the root causes after only an hour of gameplay testing
>Comittal to shit nobody wants (PvP, console, RNG-gated crafting)
>Leagues are copy-pasted ideas from other genres (for example, roguelite, tower defense), but have a bewildering lack of understanding at how those other genres work and what about them is fun
>Game difficulty balanced around being able to logout mid-combat (in the developer's own words)
>The worst trade system ever designed, that requires a web browser to use
>Cannot even see your own real damage numbers in-game, need a 3rd party tool to do it
>Game engine so terribly coded that players gain a significant performance boost from turning off sounds
>Every time they "rework" a game system it really means nerfing it into being useless (see Breach, Abyss, Maven invitations)
>Entire archetypes like melee left extremely weak by the developer and then they say they won't buff it because nobody uses it anymore
>Developer routinely lies to players about their stealth nerfs for example in Kalandra where they gutted item droprates globally and then lied about it until they got caught
>Massive playercount dropoff
>Complete abandonment of core elements (events, races, hardcore, legacy league mechanics, etc)
PoE was good once, but no more. I'm convinced it was only good by accident. I'm done with that trash.
>PoE was good once, but no more. I'm convinced it was only good by accident. I'm done with that trash.
>nerfs
I hate how GGG nerfs things so fricking much. It's never something where the top end DPS goes down in a meaningful way, its always just that final item giving you 450million dps instead of 500million dps but mid-game you are so butchered in dps you can't do anything until you buy that 130 divine item. It really makes you not want to play anymore if the skill you've been using and theory crafting for years suddenly gets nerfed and you have to learn new systems you haven't used before all over again that may not even be good because they also got nerfed years before.
GGG missed that part where you combine nerfs to one skill with significant buffs to others.
It was over after Breach
Everything since then has simply been a corpse failing to realise that it is dead
My favourite part of Archnemesis was how they pushed it for four leagues in a row, with four failed iterations in a row, while an exasperated playerbase shouted at them to just fricking give up already, before they finally found an implementation that was -tolerable-. Not good, just not game-breakingly bad.
We are now at three or four years of, nerfs are necessary to get the game in line with the vision of PoE 2, and then they announced that the game's are separate. Those lies are mounting up, but the gullible moron fan base gobbles it up.
Nerfs are necessary to prolong the agony of our dopamine addled playerbase
PoE players willingly turn themselves into zombies
>Need to minmax
That's not true.
>b-b-but my endgame maps!!!
Those are merely gameplay loops for people addicted to the game. You can beat the two campaign playthroughs with any build put together by a mind with over 100 IQ.
>Beating the tutorial zone was my life achievement!
Holy shit, the length some trannies go to lure in random kinds into their grooming discord..
>he bought a supporter cuck pack after the rug pull they did with poe 2 and exilecon
diabe-girlke games are the worst genre in gaming
even gacha have better gameplay than this shit