>Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia says Porygon was created in 1995
>SM, released for the 20 anniversary, says Porygon was created with technology from 20 years ago, meaning it would take place in 2015 or so
>SM concept art says Grimsely last appearance was 2 years ago (so around 2013), and the famous timeline tweet says BW2 is parallel to XY (released in 2013)
Gen 1 (and gen 3 by association) took place in 1995-1996, matching the release date.
Gen 2 (and gen 4 by association) took place in 1999-2000, matching the release date.
Gen 5 first game took place in 2009-2010, matching the release date.
Gen 5 second game and gen 6 took place in 2012-2013, matching the release dates.
Gen 7 took place in 2015-2016 like its release date.
Gen 8 and gen 9 must take place in 2019-2020 and 2022-2023 respectively.
Prove me wrong (with actual evidence, not headcanon).
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Sure. SM takes place at most 7 years after gen 1/3 because Mina is present in LGPE as a 13yo and trial captains are no older than 19.
Gen 1/3
3 years pass
Gen 3/4
A year passes
Gen 5
2 years pass
BW2/Gen 6
A year passes
Gen 7
But LGPE takes place after Gen 1
1 year after, so make it 8 years.
LGPE can't take place in the same timeline as Gen 1.
It can
No, it can't. Red and Blue in LGPE specifically start their journeys earlier than when Team Rocket's Mt. Moon fossil hunt operation begins, and instead the LGPE Protagonist ends up being the one to take on and dismantle Team Rocket's entire operation in Kanto.
Whi h is one year after
>Red and Blue's families both conveniently move out of pallet town shortly after the end of the first game
>two more ten year olds move into Pallet Town who also apparently grew up as next door neighbors prior to moving into Pallet town
>Oak decides he needs to have the Pokedex completed again despite not a single new pokemon besides apparently Meltan and Melmetal (who are also conveniently forgotten about afterwards, since they aren't in the gen 2 dex) being discovered in Kanto during the time since
>Giovanni, despite abandoning his gym again and vowing to break up Team Rocket, proceeds to immediately reform Team Rocket and also return to his gym again once he gets beaten up by another ten year old in the exact same way
>Team Rocket after reforming proceeds to do the exact same things beat for beat that got them destroyed last time
>They are stopped in the exact same way by two ten year olds from Pallet Town
>Said ten year olds both became champions, only for them and their families to completely disappear from Kanto as Red and Blue's families return to their old houses and act like they never left.
seems legit
>Oak decides he needs to have the Pokedex completed again
When you first meet Blue, he outright says that Oak hadn't invented the Pokedex yet when he was on his journey, so yours is the first one he's seeing in person. He had to write down all of the dex entries with pen and paper.
This is correct. It also explains why Wally looks like a kid in gen 7 and Red still looks the same in the PWT. They're still teens.
Red and Blue are basically 18yo by the time SM takes place.
PWT is non-canon. Gen 5 is about a decade after Gen 2 because the Unovan member of Team Rocket has had time to raise a family.
SM has to be at least 10 years after Gen 3 given the part with Anabel and Looker.
Except
>LGPE is a fanfic isekai bullshit and takes place after Red's adventure
>Gen 5 can't possibly happen a year after gen 2/4 because it's not enough time for the unovan Team Rocket grunt to go back to the americas, form a family and have a child already capable of going to elementary school as you see in BW
>SM can't happen a year after BW2 because Grimsley's concept art
>Porygon is canonically a recent creation in gen 1 but 20yo is SM
Mina's concept art from the fanfic Let's Go Pee is the only oddity here that contradicts what other games stablish, if there's a piece of info to discard, it's certainly this one.
Let's Go is literal non-canon fanfic that contradicts everything else.
have a nice day.
This. Red, Blue, Green, the events of Gen 1 such as with Team Rocket, and Mina all contradict each other.
LGPE is explicitly a side universe with isekai shenanigans
LGPE is its own timeline. It shouldn't be looked at in regards to the placement kf other games
I don't care to.
gen 3 wasn't released in 96, meaning not every game takes place at the same time of release.
Also
>Gen 5 second game and gen 6 took place in 2012-2013, matching the release dates.
They literally have to be the same year for it to work and thus not match release date.
Nobody said *every* game takes place at the same time of release.
Also
>They literally have to be the same year for it to work
They don't because nothing says the protagonists' adventures are contained to a single year. Nate could start his adventure in 2012 and Calem could finish his own in 2013, with both plots overlaping in late 2012 and early 2013. It would match.
>Gen 8 and gen 9 must take place in 2019-2020 and 2022-2023 respectively.
So...their release dates like all the others? What is there to "prove wrong" exactly?
>https://imgur.com/a/hFyRv
Also ORAS has this nod to RSE's release year, and it was Shelly's childhood so it couldn't be 1002.
meaning ORAS takes place after that and so Gen 1.
And if we accept Gen1-3 being 2014 that'd push SM to 2034.
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The problem with the timeline and the idea that Gen 1 and 3 take place at the same time is that the whole inciting incident for the Gen 2 games is that Pokemon Eggs had just been discovered, yet you're telling me that in Hoenn they already had breeders and daycares running 3 years prior?
And don't even try to give me lip like "oh they just weren't in contact with each other" cause you can literally find an email from Bill on Lanette's PC.
Different universes. Eggs also existed in the second version of gen 1 (FRLG), then they weren't as crazy and novel in the second version of gen 2 (HGSS).
Also happens with the technology, ORAS references how Pokemon Centers were two story a decade ago in Hoenn and in the previous universe version of gen 3 (RSE) they are still like that. And happens in BW too, some events from White happened in Black and some events from Black have yet to happen in White (see the time machine family)
I mean sure but that still doesn't explain how it all works in the grand scheme of things.
FRLG and HGSS might be part of their own universes that supposedly take place alongside the events of RSE and DPPt, but are those games actually in the same timeline? Or are RSE and DPPt in the timeline of RBY and GSC?
What about ORAS? Is that just its own timeline?
>gen 1 and gen 3 are supposed to take place at same time and have similar tech, and the same goes for gen 2 and gen 4
I would say it's like
>Universe A: RGB -> GSC
>Universe B (more advanced than A): FRLG and RSE -> HGSS and DPPs
>Universe C (more advanced than B): ORAS -> BDSP?
But Black and White both explicitly take place after Platinum, which your timeline doesn't account for
DP ≈ DPPt -> BW
Stop spreading misinformation.
you're overlooking gen 3 entirely. as well, i cannot be bothered to type it out but caitlin's age in BW doesnt quite work. this is mostly correct, though
there's frick all to substantiate gen 8 and 9 taking place when youre claiming
9 takes place after 8 because of the book and we know 8 takes place when it does because of water levels
>because of water levels
QRD?? I skipped 8 is this a story beat or did someone compare it to irl uk?
>you're overlooking gen 3 entirely
What are you talking about? Gen 3 takes place at same time as gen 1 so we only have to look at gen 1. Same for gen 4 and 2.
>Pokemon Sun Moon website said Mimikyu's suit is leftover merchandising from 20 years ago
>Red, the "battle legend", is the first guy to ever become a Champion by beating another Champion in the league, back in 1996
Do you think the reason Pikachu is so popular in-universe is because Red made it famous as it ace?
Likely. Remember how they had bushes shaped into Pikachu heads in Unova, a region where Pikachu doesn't appear?
>96 suggests SM takes place in the GB universe
>Megas are canon to that universe due to this otherwise it would say 2001
>96 suggests SM takes place in the GB universe
>Megas are canon to that universe due to this otherwise it would say 2001
so like pokemon origins?? obv not canon but it matches up
Honestly for me the only way to make sense of it is to go with the simplest answer.
There's one "main" timeline that's just all the vanilla games taking place in the time they released in - this explains why there are always new mechanics that they explain as having been discovered recently like Pokemon eggs, Mega Evolution and so on.
Everything else is disconnected alt universe takes, there's no timeline where they discover Mega Evolution in Kalos and then the Hoenn games happen, there's just a timeline where Mega Evolution was always there or it was discovered way earlier and that's where ORAS happens.
There is no "GB" or "Mega" universe, moron. We're still living with the consequences of ORAS not being written by the usual writer, who expounded on these concepts much better in side content in Gen 5 and the main plot of Gen 7.
SV isn't written by Matsumiya either
> the GB universe
No such thing. Stop spreading misinformation.
>Nobody said *every* game takes place at the same time of release.
OP did.
>nothing says the protagonists' adventures are contained to a single year. Nate could start his adventure in 2012 and Calem could finish his own in 2013, with both plots overlaping in late 2012 and early 2013. It would match.
That's adding a lot of info over the text instead of deducing.
I know this fanbase encourages headcanon and misinfo but that's not good.
>That's adding a lot of info over the text instead of deducing.
And yet whenever I bring up the BW Entralink dialogue you get pissy. While it hasn't been backed up since, it is technically in the game and is phrased way differently than most of the other multiplayer features, I'm willing to at least consider it and bring it up as a possibility. I'm definitely less firm on it than the pretty blatant and consistent implications of each version being it's own universe.
>And yet whenever I bring up the BW Entralink dialogue you get pissy.
Where the frick did you mention entralink?
I must've also missed where it said that its ok to make up headcanon.
>Where the frick did you mention entralink?
In previous threads, I recognize your typing style.
>I must've also missed where it said that its ok to make up headcanon.
Point to me where there's any other implication in the BW Entralink text, then. I don't know how
>"The Entralink is a mysterious place where you can connect with someone's world."
could be taken any other way.
The main game references other Pokemon games way less, and is the DLC written by him too? If so, it seems a lot more consistent, definitely on the level of non-Let's Go versions of the Kanto story fitting way better with his work.
>In previous threads, I recognize your typing style.
So its irrelevant to this discussion?
>"The Entralink is a mysterious place where you can connect with someone's world."
It says nothing about headcanon at all. Learn to read.
>So its irrelevant to this discussion?
This discussion yes, but I have no other better time to bring it up. It's not like I have your contact information or anything. I just jumped in to this conversation, unrelated to anything but the part of your post I quoted.
>It says nothing about headcanon at all. Learn to read.
But my supposed "headcanon" is that every save is it's own universe. Let's break this down.
>Entralink connects you to "someone's world" in universe
>In the gameplay, you connect to another player's version of Unova
>Therefore, Entralink connects you to another universe which is a person's individual save
The only evidence against this idea is that it's been mentioned exactly once, which means that there's no corroborating evidence in another game that we can point to to say it's real and not some one-off weirdness. That's why I've been saying maybe.
Just make an entralink thread if you want to discuss the entralink.
I'll probably do it this weekend, I've got work tomorrow. I might try to make it more about the general cosmology of the Pokemon universe, given I think we're mostly on the same page otherwise. Like you say, there's way too much fricking misinformation going around, plus brainlets conflating "timeline" and "universe".
>brainlets conflating "timeline" and "universe".
it's almost like 99% of media uses the terms interchangeably or something
I don't think he worked on the DLC either but I'm not sure, last game he mentions he worked on was PLA
Yeah the DLC is also from Ryota Muranaka, he was not a main scenario writer for a main game before SV (not counting LGPE)
>OP did.
OP didn't. For gen 1 and gen 2 he says "matching the release date" and only has 3 and 4 in brackets by association, while in gen 5 and 6 case he says "release dates", in plural, actually covering both release dates, BW2 and XY's. The same phrasing isn't used in the previous cases.
Is battle legend an actual rank
It was already popular and just made it more popular.
I don't remember any case of Pikachu being shilled in-universe in gen 1
more threads like this please this lore autism is like crack
You could once make a timeline work, but since Gen 8 that's out the window.
>since Gen 8 that's out the window
>since Gen 6*
t.zinnia
>with actual evidence, not headcanon
I'm gonna disregard that so I can post my theory. Rate or hate, I just want it out there.
My hypothesis is that except for the DS, the Pokémon universe "resets" every time the series moves to a new platform with several factors leading to this assumption.
>With the exception of Gen 1, part of Gen 2, and FRLG, the console in the player's room matches that with Nintendo's latest at the time, theoretically making the games contemporary with their release dates.
If Hoenn is parallel to Kanto in the proposed timeline, it wouldn't make much sense if RSE occurred at the same time as RBY given this fact and the changes in game mechanics lore between them, but it would make more sense if it was RSE with FRLG.
>RSE and SWSH have no returning characters from a previous game. XY only has 1, Looker. All 3 games are the first in their respective platforms. SV also lacks any physical appearances of a past character.
(Yes, I am ignoring LGPE and referring to Gen 8 for Switch; LGPE is a complete mess and would be in its own universe.) Returning characters are a good indicator of a game's placement in the timeline and the lack of them in the aforementioned entries makes it suspicious and a potential indicator of a reset.
>The games used to use real alphabets for signs and other text in the game's world. This was changed and handwaved to placeholder alphabets starting in XY.
The placeholders were likely introduced because of the language options added at that time. How it's handled leads me to believe that there was a reset. The same goes for references to real world locations.
>ORAS confirmed the existence of past games being alternate universes, so having these periodic resets making a new universe isn't too far off.
Not to mention all the references to RSE, both back and forward, and the existence of Mega Evolution.
That's not even counting the differences between paired versions and probably more I forgot to mention.
Given all these factors, this would be my guess at it.
GB Universe
>Gen 1 (RBY) in 1996
>Gen 2 (GSC) in 1999
Pretty clear, little room for debate.
GBA-DS Universe
>RSE in 2002-2003
>FRLG in 2003-2004
>DPPt in 2006
>HGSS in 2006-2007
>BW in 2010-2011
>B2W2 in 2012-2013
FRLG and HGSS have a 3 year gap like their originals. If the game console factor is taken seriously, then Gen 4 cannot take place before 2006 due to the presence of the Wii.
3DS Universe
>XY in 2012-2013
>ORAS in 2002-2014
>SMUSUM in 2015-2017
ORAS is all over the place with timespan references to RS's release year (11-12 years) and one direct reference to a younger Archie in 2002 while also referring that Emerald, BW, and XY have yet to happen.
SM and RG also have a timespan reference (20 years). USUM has a Switch in the player's room, potentially making it 2017.
Switch Universe
>SWSH in 2019
>SV in 2022
There's nothing solid about when these games take place other than SWSH after SMUSUM and SV after SWSH, so for now, their release year is an adequate assumption.
Returning characters seem to match up for the most part, except for cases in optional postgame battles where the canon becomes dubious. Older characters can get by with some ambiguity, but not so much the younger ones. For example, if Tate and Liza are around 10 during RSE, then they should easily be adults by B2W2, regardless if RSE took place in 2002-2003 (19-21) or 1996 (26-27). The same goes for Wally in SMUSUM: 10 in ORAS, should be either around 12 (2014), 24 (2002), or 30 (1996) by SM. Depending on which Kanto games SM pulls from, Red and Blue are likely around anywhere from 22-24 if they're from FRLG or 30-31 if RBY. If the Kanto and Hoenn games take place at the same time, how are Red and Blue adults, but Wally is still a kid in SM?
>inb4 Ultra Wormhole excuse
They simply just didn't care to give him a new design same with Cynthia.Red Blue Grimsley all got updated looks cause they are story relevant
>They simply just didn't care
Good summary of the timeline.
>how are Red and Blue adults, but Wally is still a kid in SM?
Isn’t it because, as you literally state that ORAS takes place in 2014? Yes it references the differences to RSE, but ORAS Wally is still a kid, and if this is only a few years after for S/M/Ultra and all, then it would fit.
Correct. I asked that because it wouldn't make sense for that to happen if all Kanto and Hoenn games took place in the same year in the timeline as OP suggested. If ORAS Hoenn, which the Wally that appeared in SM is from, took place in the same year as either RBY or FRLG Kanto, then he should be as old as Red and Blue.
The SNES should count as the newest because Virtual Boy fricking bombed. N64 didn't come out until after Red and Green.
The console in the player's room in RGBY, GSC, and FRLG varies.
>JP RGB and FRLG has a Famicom
>JP Yellow has a Super Famicom
>International RBY has a SNES
>International FRLG has a NES
>Red's room in GSC has a N64
>The player's room in GSC starts without one, but can customize between a Famicom/NES, Super Famicom/SNES, Virtual Boy, and N64
The N64 was released in June (JP) and September (NA) of 1996, between JP Red and Green and JP Blue and well before the series reached international shores with Red and Blue. Only GSC has the latest console (N64) among those games.
4 years between gen 4 and 5 is incompatible because of rocket grunt's family
The kid's adopted.
You are adopted
Funny thing to mention Drayton been in blueberry academy since the events of XY/BW2
How many years has he been in the academy? 6? 10?
5 I think, someone mentioned he was in Carmine's class (year 3) and repeated twice if I remember correctly
Drayton has been a third year for three years, that means he has been in BB for 5 years, since SM times.
when does oras happen if Wally still looks like a child?
Alongside BW2?
It's probably best not to think too hard about Wally's cameo. A lot of people don't know this, but Wally's hair has 2-3 times as many polys as any other character in the game (it's easiest to see zoomed out like in pic related). That implies it was slapped together pretty quickly, probably late in production. They probably just needed an extra battle tree opponent and didn't want to go through the hassle of arguing about what his adult form should look like.
Red and Blue are neither the characters from the Gameboy or Gameboy Advance games if the person's interpretation is correct, simply new characters based on them. It would explain both the 96 shirt and hair being based on the FRLG design.
Easy. The gap between Gens 1/3 and 2/4 is 3, you idiot.
>finish gen 1/3
>1996
>start gen 2/4
>1999
Sounds like 3 years for me, mate.
That's not what they said, and you know it.
Team Rocket is disbanded near the end of gen 1, which would be 1996. Very early in gen 2 they said it happened three years ago, 1999.
So Red and Blue are pushing 30 by the time they show up in Alola?
Explain why the Gym leaders and Champions are barely aged in the PWT then
PWT and Battle Tree only cameos can't be fricking canon. Just look at Tate and Liza
>Emerald takes place at same time as gen 1
>SM takes place 20 years after that and given Grimsely's concept art, BW2 takes place 2 years before that
>that means pic related are supposed to be Tate and Liza 18 years after Emerald
Also conveniently all facility-only characters in both BW2 and SM keep their original costumes and only the characters that appear in the story, even if briefly (see Grimsely again) actually look different. Those cameos are 100% fanservice, not canon.
From the perspective of the devs
>it's optional, making the events they appear in dubious to non-canon like how the player can catch the only Kyurem in Unova in BW before B2W2
>less time and effort needed simply by recycling the sprites from Platinum and HGSS and designs for Hoenn's leaders and champions
This can also be seen in other postgame battle facilities.
>HGSS's Battle Frontier is recycled from Platinum
>ORAS's Battle Maison is recycled from XY aside from the Multi Battle partners
>Battle Tree recycles designs for Wally and Cynthia
>I think the PWT has AI trainers.
If so, I doubt it has any relation to Paldea. Orre has Battle Sims; maybe the technology from there is also used for the PWT's Leaders and Champions Tournaments, but that wouldn't explain how you can meet them in the lobby after winning the tournament, so I'm with
on this one.
can someone remind me the lore of deoxys revealed in the remakes? there was something about sending the meteor to another universe but doing that would just destroy the other world or something like that, was the original RSE a world where another ORAS universe actually sent the meteor instead of destroying it in space? there was something else too about ORAS having more technology than the other universe I think
I think the PWT has AI trainers. Like come on, Giovanni? Seriously? Everyone looking the same, including Hoenn's twin kids? Doubt it. There are many connections between pad and Unova, with Clay mining literal Tera Crystals and being the boss of Import/Export of Unova. He for sure knows Cyrano, whose school is a sister school to the Paldean Academy. Research bleeds over, PWT has AIs.
They are just non-canon anon
Giovanni bought off the hosts of the tournaments
Simple as