>PoE2 will be a seperate game and won't adopt all the clunk and featurebloat from PoE1.
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>PoE2 will be a seperate game and won't adopt all the clunk and featurebloat from PoE1.
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call when they confirm removed trade
This. I'm hoping they can keep chris in his tradegay containment zone with poe1 along with all the discord trannies and Jonathan will give us a real ARPG with poe2.
You won't get shit for a very simple reason. If you don't interact with other players, you don't look at MTX. If nobody looks at MTX, what's the point of buying them? The very existence of SSF mode already looks like a huge concession, or perhaps a relict from different times.
> If you don't interact with other players, you don't look at MTX.
I don't interact with other players. PoE is a single-player game. Skill MTX is the only thing you could sell me on, and even then? Nah. Pointless. Considering most trading is done through trade bots, that's not player interaction.
you mean when they confirm Auction House?
POE 2 with AH would quite literally be the greatest game of all time.
Chink poe already has multiple QoL trade systems, and had them for years - for example you can browse items on sale in game's client, and perform trade from items you have on sale without leaving whatever instance you're in and going to your HO.
Apparently, when bald moron decided to bring poe into China, even Tencent was horrified by beholding kind of treatment players get, and told him that he doesn't get to abuse chinese nationals like that. Bald moron has no other choice but to shove his vision up his ass to get access to that sweet chink market.
You also have to buy Stash tabs again in every single League in Chink PoE. Why would you want to play that version?
>But they pay for features
The only thing I can confirm them paying every league for is additional features like autoloot pet.
So yes they pay for looting alteration shards automatically. However, who said that you don't? It's just your currency with which you pay for looting alteration shards, is joints on your hand and not dollars.
This is why they left baldo in poe1 purgatory and passed poe2 lead to Jonathan. He is not afraid to give the players what they want (chinkoid grinder mmo)
>chinkoid grinder mmo
As opposed to what? asiaticoid grinding mmo, considering baldo's dedication to asiatic psychology research on games?
Considering that nothing in the whole world is as bad as asiatic attitude to games, this would be an improvement.
>subhuman bug features for subhuman bug people
Keep dreaming. They just had a panel where PoE devs were taking questions along with old D1 and D2 devs and all of them wanted to keep trading hard so you don't get all your gear with trading. Chris Wilson actually had the most merciful opinion about trade in the bunch.
AH is the instant win button and Instant win buttons are bad for games that are supposed to addict you with constant feeling of steady progress.
Based experienced old-school game devs vs screeching soulless treadmill bugmen
>AH is the instant win button and Instant win buttons are bad for games that are supposed to addict you with constant feeling of steady progress.
but poe.trade is already an AH, just a non functional version of it
all I want is an AH that is build into the game and doesn't require me to stay logged on 24/7 to sell a fricking item
I don't wanna trade with bots, and most of all, I don't want to bounce off of 25 afk players while trying to buy some cheap mundane item
poe.trade is already an instawin button for people who bot or play the game full time autistically, if they add an actual AH, only normal players will benefit, botters and streamers will bathe in money either way
>but poe.trade is already an AH,
Cool, so you're whining over nothing and theres no point to change it. Thanks for confirming!
Why is it necessary to tp to your hideout and manually exchange the item? Why can't the AH system already in place do this for you?
So that you are forced to view the player's hideout and character MTX.
Consolechads win again
please give keyboard and mouse support
They should enable full scale trade but then when you get to the end game, make you lose gear pieces when you die
As someone who gets off on selling and crashing markets in MMOs, an auction house would be the only real way I can even have true fun in PoE. Since doing the story 2,000 times took the will of playing right the frick out of me
There is a solo self found mode, moron.
Does it have tweaks to actually support it? doing self-found with a game based around trading would fricking suck
No but mazed Black person homosexuals will deliberately tell you to cuck yourself and suck baldie's wiener.
Does it have buffed drop rates to account for the fact that you can't convert everything to currency to convert to anything else?
They never will
Player Interaction™ is INTEGRAL to The Vision. You need to put yourself through hours of wiener and ball torture to be able to convert the results of your hours of grinding into things you actually want.
Play SSF for cuckwit
Liar. Say it with me
ONE GAME
TWO ________S
ONE GAME
TWO GAMES
RED GAME
BLUE GAME
Black folk
>TWO Black folkS
ONE GAME
TWO SECONDS PER ATTACK
One game
Two don't know why
It doesn't even matter how hard you try
Keep that in mind, I designed this rhyme
To explain in due time
GENDERS
ONE GAME
TWO MONSTER KILLS PER MINUTE
TWO GOLD DROPPED PER MONSTER
TWO YEARS UNTIL RELEASE
ONE GAME
TWO WIENERS
>won't adopt all the clunk and featurebloat from PoE1
AHHAHAHAHAHA the cope. he didn't see the """""GOLD"""""" drops, one of many many many granular currencies along with "divination" item shards
lowered drop rates and removed movement abilities = clunk and featurebloat lmao he didn't pre play Poe "2", ruthless with gold
thanks for testing Our Game 2, ruthless with gold homosexuals. kekekekke
I have never played PoE but am planning to play PoE2, should I play the first game before or not?
Don't play either of them
Yes because there is no guarantee yet that PoE2 will be better
PoE so far is easily the best diabe-girlke ARPG ever
Play PoE, enjoy the amazing endgame, and then play PoE2 when that comes out and decide which you want to keep playing, because both games will be in the same client and you pick from the main menu which one to play anyway
thanks. that's some great information.
I played POE a bit but I didn't like the endgame, maybe I missed something
>normal endgame is farming for currency to buy your stuff on poe.trade
>ssf endgame makes 90% of build unplayable because you need a specific unique weapon or armor to play them
you don't go into ssf with a build in mind. you play and find things then build around what you get. poe is so easy now you can run like any miner/trapper/pretty much whatever and clear red maps with no gear to start farming bases and shit for actual builds
I get oneshotted constantly.
You cant just decide a build beforehand if you play SSF. You pick a class and need a general understanding of what kind of builds that class can make. Then you build your talent tree based on the loot that you get along the journey, its kino.
Trade leagues are fun too, at least for majority since they are more popular, but if it doesn't appeal to you, try SSF again just with the understanding that you can not force a build in it, but instead have to adapt to what luck grants you.
Are the poe games connected? Which game should I start with?
Diablo 2
PoE is an Autism simulator that starts out like an ARPG but eventually rewards you with a character that moves abd kills so fast that maps takes 2-3 minutes ans your screen is nothing but explosions.
PoE2 doesn't exist yet.
If you want to give PoE a try, a good time to start is when the next league begins.
it literally will have different clients
PoE is a great game in a vacuum but its core gameplay is so much worse than what they've shown and talked about with PoE 2 that it could leave a bad taste in your mouth if you set expectations so high based on watching the presentations. I recommend playing it and enjoying it as it is but don't let it sour your opinion of 2 if it doesn't live up to your expectations.
If you just mean story wise, frick no nobody cares about story in ARPGs, not even the devs as they all pretty much admitted in the interview with the Diablo OGs.
I invested 1k hours in a shitty korean mmorpg (lost ark). It cant be worse than that.
Nice. I'm not saying it's bad at all and given that you might even have it as one of your favorites, just to not expect it to be like PoE 2.
if you have not played poe by now you arent interested, why would you play poe2
>won't adopt all the clunk and featurebloat from PoE1
Literally a perfect hack n slash unironically.
I am going to play PoE 2 and I am going to have fun.
Literally me.
>Spending 2 yours trying to find +19% fire res from a vendor
kek
thank frick I can still zoom in POE1
I'm skeptical about how well they'll be able to scale those low damage utility skills to be preferable over skills that kill groups of enemies fast in the endgame.
I liked the maiming spear field but it was being outclassed by just killing enemies from far away with the lighting spear throw.
Also kind of worried about if they'll manage to make the game as open to mix all types of weapons and skills and classes together as in PoE 1. Might just be poor wording when they've talked about those things, but it raised concerns. Since the games are now confirmed to be separate, that opens them up to cutting away content that we take for granted in PoE 1.
>I'm skeptical about how well they'll be able to scale those low damage utility skills to be preferable over skills that kill groups of enemies fast in the endgame.
Pretty easy, they just remove "problematic" skills
I started trying to learn poe mechanics rather than just follow guides
Frick me that shits complicated.
Yeah and then you get 20 hours into building out your concept and find out that because of a bug or inconsistent wording, something doesn't work the way you expect and the entire build is useless.
PoE has some of the most consistent wording of any game I've played
There are some exceptions like "nearby" meaning seven different distances, but in general, stats say exactly what they mean and you can rely on them being consistent when making builds
I always look for how they're wording things in updates because one unexpected change can make new builds viable
Now explain lifesteal and overleech lol
Neither of those are terms used in the game
It might be "one of the most consistent", but that's because games are notoriously shit at consistent wording. You'll end up either using well-understood mechanics and end up making a shittier version of a build that's been posted 20 times or you'll start relying on unique mechanics and because unique mechanics require unique wording and the unique combination of words they've used in the past either doesn't mean what obviously it should mean or that it does and they coded it wrong.
Do you have any examples
Not crawling my old PoB logs or old streamers I followed's VoDs for examples which are probably out of date by now. I know better than to believe someone defending PoE's build system as having no inconsistencies on Ganker is operating on good faith.
it's so consistent that they stopped doing the thing where Mark answers questions about mechanics because all of his answers were just "x does x because it says x and x is x" and it looked insulting
>featurebloat
you mean the game?
>Get to turn into a bear in town
ERP IS BACK ON THE MENU BOIS
Is there a chance for a hostile takeover of the company in charge of PoE? Blizzard needs these guys in their team.
anon, I...
Frick, not the chinese. I bet they have the whole communist party money to back them up and shit.
I wish every game company kept talented devs on full time instead of cycling through new hires
>comparing digital fidelity vs real world objects
Imagine being this uneducated
i want to play it already why do they still develop poe 1 god damn it its taking forever to come out
>2 Years with possible delays
Its gonna be a long while
>install PoE
>beat the acts
>kill normal Shaper
>uninstall
Alright game with okay story, 6.5/10. Seasons? What's that? Not interested. Now, on to the better games.
>install PoE
>beat the acts
>kill normal Shaper
>uninstall
Me except I have no idea what a Shaper is, I got to the maps crap and quit.
It is a decent free game with a full campaign but the end game is absolute ass because it was made by amateurs.
i think the endgame for these kind of game was made for literally addicts with no standards
like how can you do the same shit for 500+ hours? if you need dopamine hits so badly just do drugs
>rollslop
>in an “ARPG”
lol
>He isnt ready for Cast on Roll meta
>Samus build where you shit out traps as you roll
Souls games are ARPGs, yes.
but Elden Ring was the best game of all time! everyone loved it, so obviously that means we should make every game as similar to it as possible
Watching this part right now. Those two want nothing more than to run off stage, it's awkward as frick.
>Are the stat increases for killing bosses account wide or per character?
>Well, it's per character, but it's only bosses that you're guided towards by the main quests
>n-no actually, i-it's all the bosses... b-but you don't have to get those increases in character power i-if you don't want to!
>there are like 100 unique bosses in the campaign btw
Possibly the biggest blunder of the event. People would get tired of doing all those bosses on each character real fast. Even funnier that he says it's optional after talking about how players are pushed towards using multiple active skills because they want every possible advantage and increase in power they can squeeze out.
Not a problem, kill them all on first playthrough to see what's there. Kill only the ones you need to on subsequent characters and then go back and fry them all once you're 75.
I do hope targetted farming comes back to the genre though, boss run farm are unironically fun as long as they're not the only thing to do.
We'll see
If the bosses are fun benchmarks for your character and aren't out of the way like some of the sidequests in PoE, they might have more staying power
Melee and slower spells needed an animation cancel to feel playable teebeehaytch
>remove clunk
>gradually add clunk back into the game until it is more complex than even POE
>rinse and repeat with POE
Is RF going to be in POE2? Seems like it will be kind of insane with roll spamming
One of my main worries is how much they'll leave out of PoE2 now that they're making it a different game and don't have to keep things consistent with PoE1
Who needs feature bloat when you got passives?
the main problem with PoE is that it is infested with MMO players and, allah forgive me for uttering this word, bl*zzardfans
This is gonna be the meta: Stun/Freeze the boss -> open TP -> continue smashing Boss till all flasks run out -> TP Out + refresh flask + TP In -> RINSE AND REPEAT
The encounters reset if you TP out, same for deaths. moron.
Please dont talk if you dont know what you are talking about
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>roll
>try to attack
> have to roll instead
>try to attack
>have to roll instead
>boss commits to a massive attack
>360 noscopes you after you move around to his back
this is shit
more like it wont adopt poe1's playerbase
Logout in hardcore won't work anymore either.
You log back in to the attack that was about to kill you.
They literally fixed everything.
you get 1 minute immunity after you log back in
You can stay longer in the town moron
you do not respawn in town after using the logout macro. you respawn in the arena
Yea and get send back to the town right after, whereyou are immune
He likes, i like it, you like it.
>asmongold
There is no opinion of his that I would even bother listening to. If your PoE account was made after mine then I don't want to hear it.
your proofs?
he is reacting
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm the biggest GGG dick sucker, but the presentation left me confused and bewildered right after the very first few minutes when they announced the split. The feeling only kept growing over time.
I don't know what to expect anymore. If the last exilecon left a clear vision of a game, there is none now.
The last nail in the coffin were their lack of knowledge about how that "situational utility flask" integration went with poe1 for them to so confidently ship that system as a feature.
Basically I can only hope poe2 is not gonna be shit or they would fix it after a year of waves of continuous backlashes. Not a good feeling.
>game gets updated every three months, players are used to things being overhauled and changed
>promise that stuff like melee combat is getting postponed because it's getting fixed in PoE 2, everyone is excited for the big update that will "fix everything"
>"nah nevermind we're making PoE 2 a separate game because some people still like PoE 1"
>no information about PoE 1 ever getting the fixes people have been eagerly waiting for
>probably getting left behind with shitty mechanics that no one likes because the devs are all of a sudden afraid of updating their own game
>game gets updated every three months, players are used to things being overhauled and changed
This is why I left PoE, btw. It only took a couple of my builds being completely gutted to quit. I don't care if the respecs are free, stop fricking nerfing shit and fundamentally rebalancing everything.
>standard player
Can I have a QRD on 2? I've seen the last exilecon but I didn't play for 1 since forever.
Can any bald morons shilling here logically explain their seemingly irrational aversion to fast-paced gameplay?
Are you mentally and physically handicapped and can't handle it?
Do you hate yourself?
Are you gay and crave that man ass?
Do you have no respect for your time?
Are you simply envious and resentful towards people who enjoy fast-paced gameplay and take advantage of it?
>
>actively reacting to enemies with multiple skills is slow-paced gameplay
>holding LMB through a map while your autobomber build kills everything for you is fast-paced gameplay
>I must roll roll roll roll roll roll roll around the enemies or I do not feel fulfilled
Why are you even here, shouldn't you be beating all fromslop games with bare fists or something?
poe 1 is at maximum speed so they reset it and spread new speeds across next 10 years. poe 2 will look in 10 years exactly like poe 1 today
I like the decision cause it makes people like you seethe. Personally I don't give a frick about how fast I can go, but as long as it gets peoples jimmies rustled, I am content.
People have been complaining about PoE being "zoom until you get oneshot by something you didn't even see" for years You're dumb if you think it doesn't need a speed reset.
And I'm certain they're making sure to start extra slow, because it's hard to take power away from people once you've given it to them.
I agree with this anon but I still want my flicker strike.
It's in the game. They showcased it.
But the charges were reworked and aren't perma buffs anymore, so it might change in the most random ways.
>zoom until you get oneshot by something you didn't even see
If you think that "get oneshot by something you didn't see" part is ever going away, you are outright delusional. Steramers playing pedalcore instantly dying to no fault of their own and screaming on camera is considered an integral part of PoE's marketing strategy, and eliminating it is out of question.
To participate in informed discussion in state of speed in PoE, being aware that all changing current speed of enemies is NOT EVEN CONSIDERED by GGG is one of minimal requirements.
Oh I'm sure that will happen regardless. There was at least one "dying to a rare you didn't read the mods on" moment on the main stream.
game is going to play excatly the same in the endgame but with roll iframes now
>it's hard to take power away from people once you've given it to them
No it isn't. This is a lie perpetuated by game devs to mask their shit decisions. People are get mad when you take away the power they need because some poopsocking streamer who played for 20h a day first week complained he got too strong "too fast".
Just look at the gays crying about the idea of slowing the game down in this thread. Eternally obsessed with Chris Wilson's bald head because of the prospect that their builds might get nerfed.
Exactly what I was talking about. This fricking disingenious implication that slower and harder are synonyms. You get called out for trying to make everything slow and boring and you recoil
>oh woe is me why do they hate me so for taking away their power, I must do it in secret for the good of the goyi.... I mean the players
Who said anything about hard?
I constantly see it being said here, that game requiring large amounts of time investment is by definition a "hardcore" and "difficult" game for some reason, regardless of what you do in that game for all this time, even if it's something as devoid of any mechanical or mental skill checking as poe gameplay.
Might be some shitposter though, because people genuinely this moronic are not supposed to be able to read.
You, by equating less power with slower
I am equating being slow with feeling less powerful, yes. Taking longer to kill enemies, moving slower, getting less loot per minute, progressing through the game more slowly. Many people complain loudly when this happens to them, making it a difficult choice to take away their power when you don't want to upset your players.
Difficulty of playing the game does not enter the equation at any point and it is at no point implied that slower = harder. That does not follow logically.
>Taking longer to kill enemies, moving slower
>getting less loot per minute, progressing through the game more slowly
Those two are not related to each other either.
PoE currently can be forgiven for player needing a loot filter which erases 99% of shit that drops on the ground, because you work through the content with enough speed for remaining 1% to provide you with enough resources to sustain and develop your economy.
Since people saying shit like this don't play that game, I'd like to remind you that reason why people filter shit is not because they think themselves above picking up and identifying rares, but because if you start picking up and identifying rares, 99.9% of them will be as useful to wear as white items, and you would spend so much time doing it, you could have run one more map instead and gained more useful resources.
If you make the gameplay itself slower while making shit that drops on the ground worth something, literally nobody would complain. However, clowns crying for such change don't understand what they're getting into, and what bald moron things "slowing down the game" means.
You will NEVER EVER get the actual slowdown of gameplay. They simply don't give a frick about that. What you will get is loot reduction while game stays on the same speed. I've heard you're already getting it. And in turn, it will force players to focus even more on making a character as fast as possible, because there's nothing else to do.
They are examples of things that both would make someone feel less powerful and slow things down. Not a list of things that are equal to each other.
>Everyone hates Bald morons nerfs
>BETTER BE CONTARIAN AND SUPPORT BALD moron!
(You)
Yeah and people kept on playing anyways because its fun and the average moron doesnt know what they want. Without zoom zoom poe2 is kill you can quote me on this, people will quit and not know why they did and come up with some bullshit
>irrational aversion to fast-paced gameplay
>Mobs get crazy fast in the endgame anyway
Cognitive dissonance
>I am not having fun
>could the rat race to the bottom I need to participate in to acquire my build before everyone else quits or gets ahead be at fault?
>no, jesus christ wilson and The Vision(tm) are the savioursof the arpg genre, it must be the zoom
>Can any bald morons shilling here logically explain their seemingly irrational aversion to fast-paced gameplay?
"fast placed" gameplay has extremely limited design space.
It's very obvious; just look at the mechanics that PoE players complain about.
They are all things that either slow you down, or kill you extremely quickly (because you're moving so fast those are the only meta-mechanics you will ever notice )
It better have auction house or remove trade entirely and adjust drop rates to make up for lack of trade
best outcome
>poe2 is taking all the endgame from poe1
good outcome
>poe2 is taking only the atlas from poe1
worst outcome
>poe2 is only a new 6 acts campaign with no endgame at launch
One interesting thing ggggays at the convention are saying is how they like the dynamic movement added to skills. They say it is weird at first but when you get used to it then the classic game feels too static and isn't as reliable to your inputs as 2.
I wonder how many things in PoE 2 are getting rolled back to a state they were in half a decade ago because they split up development.
Other way round.
You've been playing a game maintained by 8 people for the past year and a half if you've been playing poe.
And how many of THOSE improvements are getting ported to PoE 1 instead of being held back because "people like classic PoE"
Defend this RIGHT NOW
chris has a fricking brain disease and got succesful with poe on accident
this is 100% a lilth clone that didnt exist until 2 weeks ago because chris saw it in diablo
>this is 100% a lilth clone that didnt exist until 2 weeks ago because chris saw it in diablo
tons of shit from poe2 seems like they exist just because d4 sold 10 million copies
I forgot that Ganker is gay
>got succesful with poe on accident
Funniest part here, is that it looks like he and his buttboys realize that. However, instead of being grateful to a chance for success and choosing business decisions to capitalize on it further, they seem to develop some surreal resentment towards the game that became beloved and successful instead of their intended visionary asiatic janny clicker, and by extension, for a playerbase that loves former, and doesn't want latter.
Seriously poe just radiates hatred towards own playerbase, I don't recall any other game where it's this bad. This attitude and difficulty of the game have nothing to do with each other, there are many much harder games devs of which don't behave remotely like this, and it's not even about difficulty but about general treatment of people who, it happens, provide you with a paycheck. Everything bald moron does expresses extreme entitlement, as if players OWE him to play and pay for whatever shitty dumpster diving hobo simulator his dream game is, with the same dedication as they played poe at its peak.
Not to mention a large portion of the playerbase have developed a severe case of Stockholm syndrome where they will defend every decision GGG makes even if they hate them.
Rightfully so.
The redditBlack folk have been on Chris Wilson's dartboard ever since the backlash on harvest getting yoinked.
Now we're getting yoinked back to closed beta, and all the johnny come latelys are about to cringe into balls and asphyxiate.
>muh harvest
>muh reddit
bot post
Better to be an ai language model than a tft kitten.
Look on the bright side, when we loop back to poe2 zoom era it'll be easier to do rotations when you've winced into a fricking sphere.
What the frick is this gibberish even. Who are you talking to, some strawman you hallucinated? Is that your brain on stockholm syndrome related brain damage? By the way, can you please answer
? It's for scientific purposes.
If you have no idea what my post means then that's great. I hope you never find out.
I did answer it, my reply is the first one.
This isn't an answer. Can you articulate your thoughts, or mental disability which makes your reactions unable to catch up with whatever is considered "fast gameplay" in poe pretty mild compared to many games, really, also stripped you of that skill, like it stripped you of skill in video games?
No, I am laughing too hard to depress the necessary keys in sequence.
>I-i'm ackshully laughing r-right now!!!
Mindbroken subhuman, have a nice day lmao.
>OH MY GOSH CHRIST WILLSON IS TURNING THE GAME TO HOW IT WAS IN THE PAST, LE HECKING REDDITORS BTFO
>2.5
>b-but the highschool dropouts playing meleeshit didn't have builds to netdeck back then, so it was slow (for them)
Don't care
I am going to give a try, if after the rebalance returns of exp and useful loot per time unit would be comparable to doing
before the rebalance.
If I constantly encounter significant enemies, they are supposed to yield significant rewards. Indignificant rewards that you get while playing conventional poe are balanced only with their amount acquired through player building in a way that makes enemies insignificant.
However, we both know it's not happening, because wisdom of asiatic game design papers completely eclipsed simple investment/return concepts in bald moron's skull, and therefore map you clear in 30 minutes will give as much shit as one you used to clear in 3 in conventional poe.
Also fun fact that moron who post that shit never played juiced 5 orb maps, which are full of dangerous damage sponge enemies you must be vary of. However if they did they would have started crying that such map drops too much shit and they don't like getting rewarded. Sometimes I wonder if people with such attitude even exist, or someone is just very dedicated to pretending to be moronic or mentally ill on the internet in this particular fashion.
>significant enemies, they are supposed to yield significant rewards
Lol. Lmao even. It's ggg. To them, one in a trillion chance for a trillion dollars is worth a trillion, not a dollar. They will put odds of anything great so impossibly low they leave the realm of possible drops for any actual player of the game, then thry'll self-flaggelate themselves on how generous they are becauseit's been a week and a whole 12 of them dropped
>He doesn't know why
This piece is from those same good ol days posted as an example of what rEaL pOe should look like btw. They probably don't do that now, although who knows.
>2.5
Honestly if you didn't farm Fellshrine Ruins and trade via the forum by dropping items in the mud flats then you aren't even allowed to have an opinion on this game, and that probably includes you, so go frick yourself.
>He doesn't have a stack of Ablino Rhoa feathers from beta
>Seriously poe just radiates hatred towards own playerbase
Do they still insult the players in the patchnotes/manifestoes in between the lies? I stopped playing last year.
ARPGs in general implicitly have nothing but contempt for the time of their players. This is actually a feature of the genre itself. They're games designed to be played forever and appeal to people who have melted their brains and receive a constant buzz from watching a number increment accompanied by flashing lights and sounds with as little input from them as possible.
The logical conclusion to ARPGs is just fricking Progress Quest, but the players seem to be deluding themselves into pretending it's not by keeping that last tiny element of actual player input that is pressing buttons. Not too many buttons, mind! Just the one button to blow everything up and then another button to move to a new screen. That way, they can still call it a videogame and not literal brain poison.
wow D4 literal children are seething.
Imagine simping for a demon with only one pair of boobs.
There is an unfortunate lack of Atziri r34, you'd think quad-boobies would inspire more work.
She's too elaborate in design for that.
What
It's an homage to Piety, who was the first long-term villain in PoE.
they've been doing uppity b***hes since like 2011.
You blind homosexual homosexuals, it's obviously pointing out the jiggle physics
and that matters how?
t. homosexual homosexual
damn you're fricking moronic, kek
moron
ITS MAAM
I have a hangover. What am I supposed to be mad about?
wtf lol this is so bad
What PS2 game is this from?
PoE 2 is just an isometric soulslike, very little to do with PoE 1. Even so it's like 2 years away from release so even the devs don't know how it will end up in the end.
POE2 is Dark Souls 2
And that is why it will be kino
>poe2 is a soulisraelite game
>poe1 in maintenance mode for 2 more years
Diabolos4 bros, i think we won 🙂
Yep if i see PoE i will mention Asmongold
He is essnetially a part of the game.
could I see uhhh Chris Wilson with the hair of Asmongold
Won't work. Chris has facial features too masculine and that mane is too femenine.
Horrifying.
He has Assmongoloid peeping in his ear now? There is no way BFR doesn't run the game into the ground now lmao.
told you this game was made for asmongoloid and his horde of fromnormies
And that's a good thing
it will be what pso2 did you moron
So how good is Grim Dawn these days? Is it worth the $30 for all the DLC?
It's an offline game, you can pirate it and try.
>PoE2 will be a seperate game and won't adopt all the clunk and featurebloat from PoE1.
my first thought when I saw this new PoE2 footage was "wow this looks absolutely fantastic... but they're gonna ruin it eventually by stacking features upon features on top of it until you're back to just spamming screen wide win buttons"
It's not about the destination, it's about the journey.
Enjoy ephemeral things like methodical thoughtful arpg combat while they exist.
Then rather than cry that it's over, smile because it happened.
Doomposters were right, abandon all hope, it's over before it even began.
Why.
what made poe special was that there was no gold and you inserted your skills into your armor
both are now gone
rip poe
Not having one currency was justified because you were stranded on an island, this isn't the case anymore so gold existing makes sense.
it was never about some roleplaying reason
Why not?
Will anyone even care when this releases in 2 years? Diablo 4 will have grown into a behemoth by then.
kek
you're right to doubt Blizzard since they're a trash company that literally never does anything right.
but technically they could start copying and stealing from PoE2 and implement those features before PoE2 even hits beta.
in terms of funds and manpower, I mean.
and he's not necessarily wrong. 2 years is how long it took for Reaper of Souls to come out, and before that everyone hated d3, then everyone was pretty happy with the game.
>excited for the possible content squish
>boss showcase yesterday confirmed Delirium, which means it's possible all the league mechanics carry over
Oh no...
Holy shit, the amount of fricking lies these mazed zombies spew, like damn. Put it this way. Do you want to grind for hours to craft something, only for it to fail so you grind more, fail again, get frustrated and go to the cash shop? Do you like spend money on a constant gacha basis? Because that's how this company makes it's money. Don't forget the basics. The shills will sing and dance and pretend a f2p skinner box is every bit as good as a real game that you own and have access to all the content of. But... it isn't. This may as well be a mobile game. In fact, what PoE actually is, is Tencent's monetized mobile gaming concepts, brought to a desktop.
Enjoy the aids.
meds
>mazed
You should return to whatever MMO you came from
>get frustrated and go to the cash shop?
but you can't buy crafting materials
>Black folk, spics, pajeets and chinks pretending their Diablo 3 reskin mobile game is an actual contender for " good arpgs of the decade"
Time to stop making these threads, troony
TRANSLATION
>You bought shit in PoE1? Guess you get to buy it again.
I'm glad I fell out of love with ARPGs when my capeslop Marvel Heroes died.
Everything transfers between games.
Even the storage space? Cause that'd be HUGE
yes.
>Won't adopt the clunk
Auction House? Pets that auto-fetch loot based on your loot filter? WHAT DOES IT MEAN
the lead dev already said he thinks the current trading system is fine
>the lead dev already said he thinks the current trading system is fine
guess he didn't have to use it much
>POE 2 with AH would quite literally be the greatest game of all time
I would come back to the game in a heatbeat if they added AH, or literally anything to make trading less suicide inducing
>SIX MILLION SKILLS OY VEY
>90% of them are +1% increase to X stat
>won't adopt all the clunk and featurebloat from PoE1.
frick it can actually be a good game then.
can't wait.
>featurebloat
fEaTuReBlOaT is why even after years of mismanagement, disregard and outright moronation poe still manages to TOWER above literally every single other arpg ever produced by humanity.
Throw all those years worth of developers' work out, and what will remain? Relatively pretty visuals, and New Campaign of which playerbase will be fed up the next league? Resulting product will be getting mogged by things like last epoch beta, or even, shudder to think, blizzaard products.
Exilecon was a disaster. Not surprising, seeing how poe development has gone the past couple of years. They killed all hype and the shit won't even be out until 2025 lmao
And within 10 years of development it will have the same bloat as poe1, are you stupid?
>6 skill builder-spender dps rotation
>weave dodge roll between every long wind-up skill
>kill white mob but out of mana
>repeat until out of pots
>portal back to town and click the well
>your reward?
>10 gold
Bravo, Jonathan
>builder-spender
meds
It is builder-spender. You have to use 2-3 zdps skills to get charges to power up your 3 second cast time payoff ability. They've just disguised it in the typical autistic ggg way.
no you don't.
>xhe's still in the denial stage of grief
Oh boy, you have a long way to go.
im not the one making shit up
>lashing out
I see you've moved on to the anger stage. It will be ok, lil bro. There is help out there: https://www.healthline.com/health/stages-of-grief#5-stages
>unrelated shizo babble
poe2 mindbroke you this hard? how much did you spend on diablo 4?
>PoE2 will be a seperate game and won't adopt all the clunk and featurebloat from PoE1.
You think GGG won't add clunk and featurebloat into their second game after adding the shit out of that in their first?
>released in 2029
it's fricking over poebros
>>PoE2 will be a seperate game and won't adopt all the clunk and featurebloat from PoE1.
This decision saved it. It was dead on arrival as an update to PoE1.
gold and dodge roll
>gold
This is a joke, right? This can't be so bad. They wouldn't just throw the israeliteel of poe's whole itemization, the unique currency system, down the shitter for no reason, because they have at least some common sense left in them, right?
>They never said that PoE2 will be free to play at all during the keynote
I'm just waiting for the asspain when they ask for $70 next year. It'll all go to Tencent too.
They did, multiple times I think.
Once was definitely in the Day 2 Q&A. I listened to it earlier but I don't remember exactly where (it's 50 minutes long)
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>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO USE THIRD PARTY SITE TO LIST TRADE OFFERS YOU CAN'T JUST LIST ITEMS AND PUT THEM UP FOR SALE
Why are people so obsessed with making things as difficult as possible for no actual net benefit outside of the intangible belief that filtering for the sake of filtering is a good thing
Because trade players are subhuman
>He never played CoC
>He never played flicker
>He never played aura stacker
>He never played any of countless bullshit meme builds
>He never speed chained yellow maven feareds for shits and giggles
>He is actually PROUD of having his ethical boneshitter experience instead of that
I'm sorry
I have played CoC, flicker strike, and meme builds in SSF nevertheless
Was it 2+ shapers per second LL or indigon ice spear? Was it frick you 10 all charges badge/replica farrul flicker that oneshots the whole map? Definitely not some fun sized cuck version which barely but works? You didn't play shit lmao.
No, it did not break the game. More proof that SSF is the most balanced way to play.
>break the game
How exactly is combining and using actual, not even legacy version items which exist in the game and are available through engaging in legitimate game mechanics, constitutes as "breaking the game", as if it was some exploit which caused damage to core systems? This is a complete illogical statement.
The only kind of logic I can trace behind this reasoning, is feeling GUILTY of having it TOO GOOD. Apparently someone once said "ethical" regarding to what kind of not too powerful setup player can make - everyone uses this as a joke now, but whatever poor tard originally said it seems to have been dead serious. Those people forgot that they are plying a video game, which is supposed to bring them joy and entertainment. They internalized a thought of owing something to bald tard, and being beholden to some unwritten limits which they can, but should not cross. They forgot that it's game which is supposed to be grateful to them for existing because if the game is free, (you) are the part of the product, and not the other way around. In other words, they got mazed.
Didn't read
Do you know, that poe trade aggregator which is run by GGG on game's official site is a relatively new thing?
For the most of game's history, economy of the game was running on an aggregator created and run by an unrelated 3rd party, which was just given an access to game's API so it could index items in public tabs.
Such is the state of this game. Apparently the existence of any aggregator wasn't intended at all, and they just wanted player to trade by posting shit in chats or game's forum, because it's le interaction.
Should have typed "le reddit troony interaction" to really make it appear like it isn't a valid reason to design it that way.
>fastest way to progress in the game is to stop playing and start trading
unironically
its easy making currency as a hideout warrior
So what exactly are you going to trade with if you aren't playing moron? Flipping 5 chaos orbs you've found while finishing campaign until you amass a starting capital? It seems like something a bot would do. Why do you want to be a bot? Is that what playing SSF does to people's minds?
Going to play POE2 cause of HD witch feet
For me? It's Alva.
>ugh I have to spend so much time on third party sites messaging people to trade items, I wish I could just play the game instead of sitting here trading items, they should add better trade system so I could spend less time trading, I just want to play the game
>SSF? I can't trade for the items I want there
SSF have no access to the Chase items.
Sorry spending 20 minutes for every hour of gameplay on wheeling and dealing is not fun. I want to be able to get Headhunter within the first month of replaying a game I've played 1000+ times.
Trading sucks to make people play longer, there is no other reason.
Wouldn't people play longer if you made it easier for them to get the items they need to try out more builds during a league?
That's not how they think, for them if the player gets what he wants he has no reason to keep playing.
If you already got everything you wanted, why would you play the game when theres no reward for killing monsters anymore?
Maybe to actually enjoy the game and try killing different bosses with varied builds that now require less to get going?
>Maybe to actually enjoy the game and try killing different bosses
You have access to all good builds and all good items instantly. You try each one once to kill one pinnacle boss. You spend 15 minutes total, now you will never touch the game again. You remind me of my moronic cousin back in early 2000s who modded Diablo 2 to have an amulet that had a damage aura that just oneshot everything. "Now I can finally enjoy the game" he said when all monsters were dead before they even appeared on the screen.
He never got past Tristram portal because the game was already solved, he had no reason to pick items and he was just running from one place to the next. He got bored very quickly.
>if you already got the 10c build enabling unique item, why would you play the game when there's no reward?
I mainly play SSF and still think you're moronic, some people like to play builds they can only get access to with items that aren't easily farmable but would still be cheap in trade
And they can do that just fine without the AH. General consensus of that PoE 2 Panel among Chris and the D1-D2 devs was its good that Trade is a thing but it has to be difficult enough that you don't get all of your gear by doing trade. Because it would just kill the whole point of the game when you no longer have a dream of finding good loot from monsters, because you already have the best possible loot on top of you.
>you no longer have a dream of finding good loot from monsters
literally nobody who plays poe expects to ever pick a good item up off the ground
That's a cute ideal, too bad it has not once worked out because the players have optimized everything with MTX, 3rd party sites and people paying aurabots to do everything for them
>players have optimized everything with MTX
lolwut
Should've said RMT, my mistake
Point being that their goal wasn't going to happen because people are going to pay their way through and optimize the loot anyway.
May as well just add a proper AH
I don't think an AH is needed, but price fixing should be bannable and being afk for hours should delist you from the site until you actually answer the whispers/make the trades
No one sane defends having to whisper 50 people before getting an invite
>but price fixing should be bannable
And risk PoE losing the EVE Online trade autists playing the game?
I don't think people used to the efficient EVE market UI can endure PoE trading which is like buying illegal booze from Polish sailors in a Helsinki harbor.
No siinä kyllä ihan ihme analogia. Besides EVE Online players can stomach any UI bullshit and hindrance if it only means they can screw people over in an in-game player created economy system. That aspect of gameplay attracts certain kind of big nosed individuals.
There is no way to reasonably enforce this without items being placed into escrow and automatically transferred to a buyer. You are literally the moronic Dev from the exilecon devpanel saying filling flasks by going to town to click a well "feels good" and adds to the experience if you think the current universally panned extra tedium in trading is good.
OR get this
>AH
>play game
>get currency
>quickly list and/or buy items in a minute
>go back to playing the game
This is apparently the worst thing that could ever happen to the game
Why don't you play Standard? Mageblood is like 1C, you get all the equipment you need instantly in Act 1 Town by just opening your previous stash tabs for currency, then trading for incredibly cheap items. Now you don't need to pick anything from the ground or craft any items for yourself just use the leveling uniques and switch to your Influenced 6-link in Act 6.
Why don't you do that? Oh right, because that kills the whole meaning of the game.
>by just opening your previous stash tabs for currency
you autists can't even comprehend the concept of a new player huh?
Let's be real, nobody installs poe for the first time in 2023.
Why would a new player need Auction House? It would only teach him bad habits.
Such as having fun.
Just look at this picture, isn't that fun? Why even play any games? You already won according to this image and seeing this screen gives you good feelings with 0 effort involved! So fun and interactive!
Yeah, sounds like the devs that created the whole genre in the first place should restrict trade even more.
If they remove the marketboard from console i'll dc irl
its comfy making a shop and checking later in the day to see what bids people made on your stuff
also frick the exalt scammer
They should release PoE 1 as a stand-alone single player game and shut it down.
Otherwise everyone will ALWAYS compare it with PoE 2. 'poe 1 is better' 'this is just poe:ruthless' 'this isn't poe' ect.
From what we already know;
no quicksilver flask
no crafting bench
flask charges from clicking on a well
slow combat
dying at boss resets entire map
less loot
10x less endgame than poe 1
Kripparian couldn't even kill 3 bosses in the presentation (live humiliation)
This is exactly what Ruthless was in PoE 1.
They are keeping poe 1 alive to stop the complainers.
>they should kill the good game because it makes it clear how bad the other game is
I mean... I guess so?
This logic has always been moronic, and I hate how every dev who does something like this cites that old post by a Riot dev which they even admitted was wrong a few years down the line.
If players don't want to play the normal version of the game after playing the fun version, the problem is that the normal version isn't fun.
Is it going to be less overcomplicated than PoE? I would really love not having to spend most of my time reading the wiki instead of playing the damn game. And even more importantly, is it going to be paid or is it going to be pay to win?
now you'll get double the bloat and investment at the same time
GET FRICKED
Many people fail to realize that videogames are supposed to be fun.
I would play POE/Poe2 if they just made it $60 and no MTX at all not even cosmetics .
So I guess what I'm trying to say is I won't be playing Poe or poe2
>keeping out 3rd worlder ESLs
dangerously based
>poe fans always acting smug and superior because of their "patrician taste" allowing them to enjoy this uber complex game,constantly gatekeeping and looking down other games
>sequel is revealed to be slower and a more hardcore experience
>poe fans shit their pants and start crying non stop
funny how that works
there's a delicious irony of how much they shit on D4's design only to realise PoE2 has incoporated loads of the same things
>slower and a more hardcore
This can coexist only in the buck broken Stockholm syndrome mind of a drone.
Consider literally any imaginable video game genre. Everywhere you would look, equation of faster = higher demand for quick reaction and mechanical skills = harder holds true.
Were people who whine and cry about poe being too fast actually just a shitters with granny tier reaction times all along?
he means slower for (You) anon, the mobs will still go at mach 10
Don't pretend that you have actually been playing like in the PoE 2 footage all along and aren't just zooming around hitting one button to kill shit before it can kill you
Fast reaction times my fricking dick, they're slowing things down to allow you to actually react to things outside of clicking on it before it hits you.
For the millionth time in this thread alone moron
They are not, EVER, slowing the enemies down. It's literally bad for their bottom line to slow the enemies down.
>vision
"Vision" is a big meme here specifically because vision in question doesn't exist and never existed. Literally every single change which is claimed to be done for the sake of "vision" serves exactly one purpose and one purpose only - increasing game's profits via methods which they think will increase their profits. Whole Expedition fiasco happened because they attempted to slap a fat juicy 40% MORE multiplier on time player spends clearing the league, which is supposed to result in increase in profits, because it is expected for player to spend more if they play longer. They just got too wienery and greatly overestimated amount of addicts the game has.
So you are saying...more vision?
>chris really was just delaying the truly devastating vision of jonathan
Feels more like Chris and his moronic vision got the boot
It's actually over
MMOgays are such mindbroken bugmen that they've been convinced creative vision is a bad thing
you're a mazed stockholm system bald moron vision drone
did I miss any buzzwords
>creators can't be wrong
I'll remember this the next time we criticize devs or artists on twitter
following your vision instead listening to moronic redditgay opinions is never wrong. Even if the game is worse as a result, it's still better than being designed by redditgays.
People have been whining about nerfs since the fricking beta and if they had their way all challenge would be totally removed for instant gratification endless cookie clicker slop
>even if the game is worse as a result, it's better than listening to people I don't like
Do you not realize how moronic this sounds
it will almost always be better because players are fricking clueless.
If they actually listened to redditgays like you this game would just be another diablo 3 slop with no challenge where everything gets buffed repeatedly and you get any gear you want instantly and the only thing that's left is meaningless dick measuring of how fast you can vaporize every overnerfed boss in the game
nerfs are good. If you can't deal with more challenge in a fricking videogame then I don't know how you function in real life
>featurebloat
so.. cut content. you really got marketing spinned that easily?
>featurebloat
Scrubs that never beat all pinnacle bosses be like
Diablo 4 is still better. I'd sooner take a well polished dungeon crawler with well worked and thought out skills than some cheaply made 15000+ passive skill tree that takes years to max out.
>PoE2 becomes the most successful ARPG of all times
>Saves the ARPG genre with Soulskino mechanics and becomes the Hollow Knight of 2020s
>ecomes the Hollow Knight of 2020s
that spot is reserved for silksong sir
>mandatory min-maxing
>mandatory trade for any build that needs uniques
>mandatory use of 3rd-party tools if you want to stay sane
>every league introduces some """unique"" gameplay/mechanic you need to autiscticly spreadsheet and grind for hours to turn profit
>horrid skill balance
>bloat
>shit performance
poe is shit, and always will be be
frick Chris and frick niGGGers
>the absolute turmoil that PoE has gone through last 2 and a half years
>it was all for fricking no reason at all, PoE2 is now a different game
honestly I hate these lying homosexuals
POE walked so POE2 could run.
The initial reaction to PoE2 seems to be negative
Which is honestly funny considering most people only had like 30 minutes with it
>POE ran so POE2 could rollslop
Fixed that little mistake
poe walked and then ran and then had it's fricking knees shattered by the chinese mafia so poe2 could waste more of your time for higher engagement numbers and theoretically more money from a commically overpriced skinnerbox cash shop designed exclusively for individuals on the lowest rung of the intelligence ladder who inexplicably have a lot of money to waste on trash.
sorry just had to fix that real quick.
PoE 2 is literally my dream game.
Your dreams suck
Did they remove the stupid fricking socketing system? my god I hated that shit so much
On poe2 yes
We all spent so much time debating d4 vs poe2 we forgot to plan for the eventuality that they both fricking suck
Just go back to poe1 lol
>implying poe 1 isn't also trash
>implying ARPGs haven't been dead for a long time
No, I kept saying ARPGs were dogshit for a decade you gays just love slop
Last Epoch???
>Does not like ARPGs
>Comes to every ARPG thread
>Gets mad
Why would you do this?
>POE2 isn't even out yet and it has filtered Ganker
>imagine the smell in her crotch
>won't adopt all the clunk and featurebloat
lol
lmao
witch feet
stinky ranger feet > witch's feet
PoE2 dead on arrival if they keep the lowered density, drop rates, and fricking rollslop.
Running out of mana after 4 skills is the most moronic thing i've seen a video game, how are they still in business?
git gud
mad because bad one year in advance, you love to see it