They're good games. Far from flawless, but still genuinely solid pokemon games
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maybe if your standards are incredibly low
Someone with low standards would shit on DP for lacking "quality of life", which is what low standards people value the most in games
>Someone with low standards would shit on DP for lacking [objectively good thing]
Stop projecting.
> And it still baffles me that so many people rank these so low but Platinum as one of the best in the series
Yeah, it is baffling. Both games are fricking awful.
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qolshit is the polar opposite of objectively good thing, it takes away from a game's objective quality in order to give instant gratification to the player
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i like them hehe
>They're good games. Far from flawless, but still genuinely solid pokemon games
incorrect
they're amazing games, without flaw. they really only needed the move tutor. if they had that, i would never play any other pokemon game.
Fun games 🙂
The main issue I can't overlook is the random AI in boss battles. I can deal with the slowness, the older games are all slow.
>The main issue I can't overlook is the random AI in boss battles
I actually agree with this, it's my main gripe too.
So many potentially difficult battles are fricking ruined in the most disappointing way because they spam useless moves at crucial moments.
The only thing the AI picks at random is offensive moves that can hit you, the status move logic is untouched and it won't use ineffective moves
But yeah it's a pretty stupid oversight especially when they gave some bossmons moves that basically fricks them if they pick it against the wrong foe, like Cynthia's Garchomp having giga impact for some reason. It IS still a game freak game so there's gonna be stupid shit like that.
At least it doesn't affect the stronger battle tower opponents
>like Cynthia's Garchomp having giga impact for some reason
Lance and Steven had hyper beam on their ace mons so it was kind of a tradition, the idea is that they're so overleveled and overpowered that it makes sense to have a devastatingly powerful move that leaves an opening.
It alright
theyre solid, but there's pretty much no reason to play them when Platinum exists
That's every game that got a 3rd version
It's not /vp/ consensus at all, it's reddit/twitter normalgay consensus that immigrants from there are trying to push here
And it still baffles me that so many people rank these so low but Platinum as one of the best in the series despite most of its identity coming from DP.
I think it's just because Platinum completely overshadows DP so people are harsher on the latter's flaws. they're basically obsolete games, so all the praise they would get is given to Platinum instead while DP are seen as nothing but a lesser version and draw all the criticism for that gen
Yeah I get that, Platinum is definitely better than DP, but I just can't comprehend ranking Platinum near the top while so many put DP almost all the way at the bottom, even though Pt is just a tweaked DP. Same story, a bit more fleshed out, same look, with some minor tweaks to areas, same characters. Just better Pokemon selection and Battle Frontier. I would at least rank DP a rank or two after Platinum, but see so many put it in say S rank, and then DP in D or F, I don't get the logic.
Agreed, it's definitely one of the stranger aspects of /vp/ consensus
I obviously prefer platinum but I thoroughly enjoy both, and I'm always astounded by how much people exaggerate the presence of DPs flaws while downplaying their strengths.
eh i even see platinum get unfairly shit on all the time. not giving sinnoh proper remakes is the worst thing shitfreak has done.
Couldn't even be bothered to do it themselves they just handed it off to ILCA like an unwanted child. Sad times.
Shitting on Platinum (by association with DP) was always the main goal, attacking DP was just a way to initiate the slippery slope
yeah I get what you mean, it's silly. when you look at DP in the context of their time, they are great, and they still are. but the thing is, Platinum isn't just a slightly different version, it makes DP obsolete in a way that even Emerald didn't necessarily do. there is virtually zero reason to ever play DP again when Platinum exists. so I think people are approaching it from that current perspective, and why would you rank a game highly if it's completely obsolete and will never be played again? I agree it gets some unfair criticism as a side effect of that, but I think unless you're ranking Pokemon games based on their appeal during the time they released, DP are always going to be near the bottom just because they don't offer anything that Platinum doesn't do better
> when you look at DP in the context of their time, they are great
The only “great” thing about them is online being added and even that was barebones compared to other DS games. DP was complete shit and an objective downgrade from Emerald in virtually every way.
>objective
Emerald's grinding options and pokemon movesets are both inferior, and in DP you can farm infinite evolution stones and fossils, you can't in Emerald, shit you only get one moon stone in Emerald.
>Emerald's grinding options
The grinding options in both games are equally shit.
> and pokemon movesets
Increasing pokemon movesets isn’t inherently a good thing and is part of what makes gen 4’s power creep fricking annoying.
>you can farm infinite evolution stones and fossils
You can also do this in Emerald, moron.
>The grinding options in both games are equally shit.
Copium. DP's VS Seeker lets you train and rotate many Pokemon before the League, Emerald has no such equivalent, the closest to it is Gabby and Ty and their levels cap in the 30s.
>Increasing pokemon movesets isn’t inherently a good thing
Shitmons aren't as fun to play with.
>You can also do this in Emerald, moron.
Without a somewhat tedious glitch available all the way at the end of the game, no you can't. Don't say "moron" as if this is common knowledge, GF intended one moon stone per Emerald save file.
>DP was complete shit and an objective downgrade from Emerald in virtually every way
Yeah just ignore the better items, better moves, better abilities, better metagame, better battle facility mechanics, better level curve, more powerful options before the league which reward actually using your brain, more content, infinite bag etc
The only thing Emerald ranks higher than DP for is the battle frontier and honestly even that would have been better if it had the gen 4 mechanics, like lorb, sash and more choice items existing, or pokemon over level 50 all scaling to level 50 for battle facilities. Emerald's battle facilities are full of RNG bulllshit and stallshit that are harder to counter in gen 3; items have been introduced in gen 2 yet there was NO efficient item for a fast special sweeper like Alakazam until gen 4, same goes for abilities, gen 4 introduced a shitton of them, and arguably a lot of the best ones, like no guard Machamp finally offering a reliable answer to double team spam in battle facilities which is an absolute fricking pain to deal with in emerald
I don't necessarily think DP are as obsolete as you say, although Platinum is definitely the most direct upgrade as you say. The biggest reason to play DP imo, aside from the version exclusives, is the non-linearity and different level curve. Platinum is more linear and has a smoother overall level curve, whereas DP are more open during the mid section and have an interesting level curve that's more stagnant in some sections while having significant level jumps occasionally, which may seem annoying but it can make for an interesting experience. The stagnant sections are useful for experimenting with different team members since you can catch them up to pace easily, while the level jumps guarantee moments of heightened difficulty.
>Platinum isn't just a slightly different version, it makes DP obsolete in a way that even Emerald didn't necessarily do
Delusional take tbh. Emerald improved upon RS more than Platinum upon DP. Platinum is better than Emerald because DP were MUCH better than RS
Platinum is also less painfully slow, and has better teams + movesets for boss battles like gyms or elite four.
I mean, it's only really faster with the surfing honestly. And yeah, better teams since better Pokemon selection.
>painfully slow
This shit is a complete farce of a meme. DP's engine is the exact same speed as the others
It's not about the engine, but there are lots of pauses and shit during battles in DP that are tolerable at first but drive you insane as the game goes on and becomes more and more drawn out
Yet as the pic I posted proves, those don’t make the game slower. Look at DP and BDSP on the pic. If it take the exact same time to get to the exact same point of the same story then factually both games have the exact same speed.
Turns out every game has slow moments that you will notice more if you have autists on reddit making memes about how the game is slow, that’s called the nocebo effect
That pic is far from objective my guy, there are way too many factors affecting playtime.
Feel free to show me other people who did the same thing and found it took more time in DP.
Yes it’s approximative but it still proves there is no major speed difference between the games. If Platinum changing the story of when you get your starter makes for such a big difference then surely DP’s "slowness" would have impacted the final result as well, right? Well would you look at that, it didn’t. Because DP’s supposed slowness is imaginary.
>Yes it’s approximative but it still proves there is no major speed difference between the games
Your stylus?
>using the stylus somehow makes saving faster
you aight schizo?
What is this third world, brownie logic?
The people who complain about DP being "slow" are literally all brown people
And yet, as proved, this doesn't make the game slower than the others. Crazy huh.
I love how even with this dogshit logic this image still shows DPP takes longer than basically every game except gen 7+
Anon, you completely missed the point. Different games with different stories taking different times means nothing as that could just as easily be attributed to them having more content.
Compare DP and BDSP.
>cries about someone else missing the point while he proceeds to miss the point of the post he responded to
What point did i miss?
Also gym rematches to farm EXP
Genwarring should carry the death penalty
Then the mods would have to kill themselves. You might be on to something.
I was a sophomore in high school when gen 4 came out, got Diamond on release day, and enjoyed my first playthrough tremendously. The problem with DP is the second playthrough and beyond is exponentially less enjoyable than the first, and this gen suffers from that more than others I think (at least as far as real Pokemon games go, I've never replayed a Gen 6 or later game).
Anon, qolgays are literally all trannies and onions boys. Go say Black person in any discord affiliated to a qolshit rom hack and you’ll get banned instantly
yup
Kinnoh is sovl
There, i didn't think i needed to spoonfeed that much but apparently it's needed on this board
>dp takes more time
correct, they are slower
Literally the exact same time, cope
look closer blindbro