Pokemon Legacy

Have you played it yet?
Would you recommend this romhack to be the best way to experience gen 2?

>rebalanced gym leaders (dynamic levelling for chuck, jasmine and pryce based on current badges)
>rebalanced stats (misdreavus and several others are finally viable)
>rebalanced pokemon locations (growlithe and hondour can be obtained by violet city)
>rebalanced elite four
>rebalanced attacks and movepools
>QoL
>over a year working on it

[spoilers]im a johtogay and im loving this romhack so far, it's so much fun to use pokemon that werent viable or available relatively-early before (hondour in kanto, larvitar by the very end). And some gym leaders were pretty tough when i faced them with the levels that i would have on a normal playthrough. I recommend it[/spoilers]

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    You forgot
    >Made by an attention prostitute eceleb
    >Completely misses the point of the rival's character development
    >Completely disregards the strategies of established trainers
    >Completely alters stats because he has no idea how older games were balanced and thinks everything should be min maxed
    >Disregards Kanto as """post-game"""
    Anyway posting in a shill thread, don't fall for the israelite's tricks

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      In high school i shared the rom and a emulator to some friends, and a couple of days later almost everyone was playing it on their phone, it was fun

      >Level scaling
      Into the trash it goes

      autism

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        The level scaling sperg is definitely textbook autism.

        It's 2023. Your romhack needs to have a bit more substance than literally just another Drayano hack.

        Drayano hacks do more than this, he put fairy type and all the related moves into gen 4 and 5, made entirely new postgame and midgame questlines, and went deeper into making shitmons truly viable.
        I don't like how Legacy Crystal did this whole song and dance about changing Pokemon stats so that they are viable without the phys/special split, when they could have just added the split in the first place like every other hack does for a good reason. Making Flareon a special attacker to not have to include the split, in the name of "faithfulness", is the most backwards shit ever.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    In high school i shared the rom and a emulator to some friends, and a couple of days later almost everyone was playing it on their phone, it was fun

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Level scaling
    Into the trash it goes

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's 2023. Your romhack needs to have a bit more substance than literally just another Drayano hack.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He didn't even change the stats that much other than adding like 50 BST to some of the shitmons that wouldn't evolve until Gen 4. Why is that the thing being emphasized on and not him changing the plot?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Misdreavus isn't even bad in Gen 2, it's a very strong mon and being a ghost that isn't ground weak is a great niche.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >changing the plot?
      oh no. Giovanni says a few words to the Rocket leaders
      People who give a frick about the "story" in the Pokemon games are missing the point

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >oh no. Giovanni says a few words to the Rocket leaders
        Wow. That's actually a really fricking stupid change. The gay who made the mod really was moronic, huh?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        A video game is the sum of its parts you moron. Clowns like you that pretend entire chunks of Pokemon don't matter to cope are the worst.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          The story exists purely to let you know where to go.
          It has almost no substance

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's still an additional two minutes of dialogue boxes I had to get through

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        So, you're saying that the hack creator, who clearly gave a frick about the story, is missing the point? That sounds about right.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.
          The story is worthless and I don't give a shit about it.
          The gameplay changes are all great though

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, because he also missed the point of Gen 2 as a whole.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              what's the "point" of gen 2, in your mind?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >He didn't even change the stats that much
      they are changed enough to make them viable, ariados sucked major ass in the original and now it's actually usable

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, the stat changes are honestly pretty minor. It's not going to make fricking Butterfree into an Uber tier threat or anything. Flareon is the most useful example because it's the only one where he went balls to the walls changing, and considering I never plan on using Flareon in the first place I'd say that's irrelevant to me.

      The purpose of the hack feels like "what if this was the final game in the series, and a true sequel to Gen 1?" as a closed off experience.

      It honestly doesn't change as much as people are whining about. His video calling it "perfect" is stupid as frick but that's just the meta for YouTube, I'm assuming the dude makes a living off clicks and clickbait titles are the way to go for that shit. It's not "perfect" but it's fun.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Changing Flareon because "muh 95 attack stat in gen 2 isn't good enough" but keeping Entei, a legendary, unchanged is moronic.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          It changed Entei in the same way.
          Dropped Atk to boost Spl atk

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            So would you be happier if he changed both of them? Seems general consensus is anger at the changes, not that he didn't change enough.

            I don't agree with his Flareon change but it's one Pokemon. The other changes aren't enough to make an impact, and actually give some shitmon a chance to be fun in a game where they otherwise got 1 good move at like level 50 and were torture to grind up to there.

            Ah it was changed. I'm literally going through the game blind and so far my experience is only slightly feeling the stat boosts but not feeling like anything is out of place. I haven't captured Entei yet, and I evolved my Server into Vaporeon because I like him best of the eeveelutions.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Did he make that change after the initial release? I must have missed it when thumbing through the changelog.

            So would you be happier if he changed both of them? Seems general consensus is anger at the changes, not that he didn't change enough.

            I don't agree with his Flareon change but it's one Pokemon. The other changes aren't enough to make an impact, and actually give some shitmon a chance to be fun in a game where they otherwise got 1 good move at like level 50 and were torture to grind up to there.

            It was just something I found weird, is all. A lot of the other changes are pretty minor from what I can remember. But many of the changes in general come off as a lack of true understanding of how the games work and just trying to make things you don't see often have higher numbers instead of exploring any other reason why those Pokemon aren't used.
            Yanma only gets Twinneedle and Wing Attack as its sole level-up STAB moves.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Fair critique. Honestly I'm liking the back but I don't know if it's "better" and I feel like that's what really angers people. Because the dude presents it as the "best" version which is cringe but the experience is fun.

              It's a fun way to experience a familiar game. Not necessarily the best. Like for me HGSS aren't inherently better than Crystal. They are great in a lot of areas but I sometimes really feel the OG sprite art and low res details add to the experience in its own way. Like HG/SS is the celebration of Pokemon getting to where it was, and pushing everything into spectacular presentation. Jhoto in its original form had that "big indie" game feel still, if that makes sense? They were still inexperienced and making the most out of very limited tech.

              I'd say if you actually enjoy crystal, give this a try, but don't go into it with this expectation of "this is the definitive edition" and more like a slightly different flavored version of what you're familiar with. I enjoy other gen 2 romhacks like Prism and Coral, having just finished the newest prism patch not too long ago. So maybe coming back to something closer to home after that made me appreciate the small changes that work around keeping the phys/spec typing in tact even if clunky, and just trying to make every mon feel like better versions of themselves.

              Anyway, times are stressful out there bros. It's comfy playing old Vidya, I feel like some fights are so petty. It's not serious, they're digital monsters. People find it fun.

              I don't want to get defensive over why I find it fun as if I need to justify my feelings. It's cool, I like it, and I'm a huge jhotogay. It doesn't piss on my memories of the game, it's a nice side dish to it.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          So would you be happier if he changed both of them? Seems general consensus is anger at the changes, not that he didn't change enough.

          I don't agree with his Flareon change but it's one Pokemon. The other changes aren't enough to make an impact, and actually give some shitmon a chance to be fun in a game where they otherwise got 1 good move at like level 50 and were torture to grind up to there.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would like to see the credentials of Rom Hackers that "balance" the roster.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Have you played it yet?
    Just got to Kanto recently
    >Would you recommend this romhack to be the best way to experience gen 2?
    Absolutely. This feels way the frick better than playing the original Gen 2.

    Best change is movepools and buffing the useless Pokemon.
    The biggest issue with the older games is every Pokemon has a learnset full of completely worthless moves and 1 low BP stab attack until like level 40 if it's not a starter.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >EVERY POKEMON NEEDS MINMAXED STATS AND SHOULD HAVE AMAZING MOVEPOOLS AND SHOULD FRICK MY GF FOR ME WHILE I WATCH

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Discord post

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it's just another difficulty hack

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >can't transfer pokemon to Bank/Home

    Nope

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stadium 2 doesn't work with it either. PS2 is like the number one reason to play GSC over HGSS.
      I wish he fixed the level curve and wild pokemon availability without changing stats/item storage/etc and breaking compatibility with other games.

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://github.com/cRz-Shadows/Pokemon_Crystal_Legacy/
    At the very least, he's at least slightly than Shockslayer because the code was actually released.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a hobby of mine to use my burner emails to tip off Nintendo's legal department to Shockslayer distributing hacks of their games.

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >difficulty
    Nobody cares.
    >"competitive" balance
    Nobody cares.
    >Gen 2 secrets being on main routes
    Missing the point.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Missing the point.
      the point is stupid

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        what's the "point" of gen 2, in your mind?

        https://i.imgur.com/jC0vPxx.jpg

        Have you played it yet?
        Would you recommend this romhack to be the best way to experience gen 2?

        >rebalanced gym leaders (dynamic levelling for chuck, jasmine and pryce based on current badges)
        >rebalanced stats (misdreavus and several others are finally viable)
        >rebalanced pokemon locations (growlithe and hondour can be obtained by violet city)
        >rebalanced elite four
        >rebalanced attacks and movepools
        >QoL
        >over a year working on it

        [spoilers]im a johtogay and im loving this romhack so far, it's so much fun to use pokemon that werent viable or available relatively-early before (hondour in kanto, larvitar by the very end). And some gym leaders were pretty tough when i faced them with the levels that i would have on a normal playthrough. I recommend it[/spoilers]

        >[spoilers]im a johtogay
        >the point of gen 2 is dumb and needs fixing

        NO IT DOESNT!

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >gen 2 needs fixing
          It 100% does.
          Both Gen 1 and Gen 2 are extremely flawed.

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >level scaling is based.
    It's just scaling for Chuck/Jasmine/Pryce depending on the order in which you defeat them. Totodile and Cyndaquil still can solo the game regardless of the more competent movesets

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >misdreavus wasn't viable in the base game
    I don't get how someone could be so bad at a video game designed for kids.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hack devs never consider experience groups, they just look at base stats.

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hardcore nuzlocked it up to E4R1 with a lower level cap. Overall it was a little easier than a Drayano hack, but was still fun. I like most of the Pokemon changes and encounter variety, but I don't like how the docs are structured. It's not immediately clear what the morning/day/night encounters are and a couple trainers have incorrect info.

    My E4 strat was to bring Murkrow (utterly broken with its new stats), a Ground type EQ and Rock Slide user for Koga and Zapdos, then stack up on decently fast Surf, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt users. I brought Aero as a backup if Murkrow got weak, but barely used it.

    Play Crystal Kaizo+.

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the best Crystal ROM hack?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6088/

      Crystal doesn't really need eight million changes to be a good experience.

  18. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frick it I'm bored, starting a nuzlocke of this. Been meaning to get into them but drayano hacks always wipe me when I try and I want to replay gen 2 anyway. Later on I'm gonna look for similar qol/rebalancing rom hacks for gen 3, I can't play vanilla games anymore.

  19. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've been enjoying it, as someone who's favorite game is Crystal and wanted to mix things up a little.

    Most people are pissed because they don't like the dude who made it. I've literally never seen any of his videos before so have 0 opinion him He's probably an asshat, but the romhack is fun and I have no preestablished bias to warp my perception of it.

    I love Gen 2, but it feels too easy going in as an adult who actually understands the mechanics rather than a kid who just slammed high damage moves and didn't even understand the special physical type split (I kinda did but didn't play around it).

    As an adult, Jhoto is a steamroll at some parts and chore at others when wild encounters are underleveled as frick and your next gym battle needs you to grind a fire type or something to give your team more rounded coverage. I'm sure that I gladly took a whole week or two grinding without issue back then but I don't have the time for that anymore. But...I'd still like to relive those games.

    I've got 6 badges so far and the game feels fresh but nostalgic. It's not hard, but I still feels like I have to think about my team and strategies out more than vanilla.

  20. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Johtoanons, your thoughts on 'Polished Crystal 3.0.0' and 'Perfect Crystal' ?

  21. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    its absolute fricking garbage and hacks like this have been made since 2009, this isnt impressive because your favourite youtube homosexual made it

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I enjoy it and have never seen a video from the dude who made it.I don't even watch Poketubers in general. I've also played other Crystal romhacsks that I didn't enjoy as much because they tend to introduce things like the special/physical split, fairy type, reusable TMs, etc. that aren't terrible changes but I was really itching for a vanilla-like experience with a slight twist.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't seen many vanilla+ hacks like this one. There's 251 Crystal but I believe this does more on the rebalancing side of things than that. I think it has its own small niche.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >pyrite
        >sour crystal
        >crystal clear
        >polished crystal
        Those are just ones I can think of right away. There's a lot of "Johto, but with new stuff" hacks.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          And each one of those does it differently.

          Pyrite is more of a difficulty hack with things like the inability to leave a gym until everyone is defeated, removable of healing items in battle, etc. It's more of a kaizo hack than a vanilla+.

          Sour crystal for example is cool but has features like HMs useable via pokegear takes away some of the OG feel.

          Pokemon Crystal Clear is very much a complete overhaul of the game with 24 starters, an open world, ability to start in any town, etc. Not even comparable to this imo.

          Polished Crystal is the closest thing to this hack, and taks a different methodology. It adds new mons like togekiss, the special physical split, new maps, etc. It isn't bad, but different from what this hack achieves.

          All in all you didn't really do a good job.in proving you point, 2 of the 4 hacks you posted aren't even aiming for a vanilla experience and the other two take some pretty significant liberties.Not that this one doesn't have its share of big changes, but things like single use TMs, phys/spec moves, lack of new Pokemon/types, etc. keep it closer to the original in ways the others don't. It doesn't make this hack better either, but it definitely does something different than everything you listed.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >And each one of those does it differently.
            But they all still take place in the same, largely unchanged, region that I've already played a thousand times in the past.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Calling Crystal Clear vanilla+ is actually insane. It's a completely different experience set (usually a quick boss rush where you ignore most of the region) in the same world, same for Polished Crystal which adds mechanics and pokemon from later gens that didn't exist in gen 2, that's not vanilla.
          Also the notion that something is good because it takes effort is a fallacy. I don't like hacks that change the game too much at all, my favorite mods for any game are those that softly touch and balance the vanilla experience to better achieve what the developers set out to do in the first place, those "high effort" mods that radically change the game might as well as be garbage to me, I'm not interested.

  22. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Vanilla like experience
    >Random mons are min maxed as frick and everything needs powerful STAB
    You homosexuals never even played GSC

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have, may times. I'm 35 years old and grew up replaying the frick out of it even when Ruby and Sapphire came out.

      The changes are nice. It's different, but famiiar.

      >And each one of those does it differently.
      But they all still take place in the same, largely unchanged, region that I've already played a thousand times in the past.

      Then maybe a vanilla-like romhack isn't for you if you have this perspective? In which case, there are plenty of other Gen II hacks that go an entirely different route and add entirely new regions and Pokemon if you prefer.Saying this hack changes so little that you feel the experience is the same you've played a thousand times is more of a compliment than anything for this kind of hack, though I disagree (and it seems most people ITT do as well considering how angry they are about the changes).

      Is it too familiar, or too different?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Then maybe a vanilla-like romhack isn't for you if you have this perspective?
        You're right, those are the laziest kinds of hacks that unfortunately always have the most amount of people making them because you can churn one out in a weekend.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds like you're looking for a different thread then?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, this is the right thread. I'm sick of these shitty low-effort balance hacks and I'm sick of ecelebs clickbaiting them.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              This is like going into a Chick Fil'A and shouting loudly that it tastes like shit, and then when someone asks you what you prefer you say you don't even like Chicken in the first place.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not at all, because it's been shilled on the catalog for a week now.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                I can imagine the exact type of soiboy that would make a chick fil'a metaphor. What a repulsive mental image.

  23. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    is it better than Polished Crystal?

  24. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why aren't there any actually cool hacks of Gen 1/2, like adding double battles or battle frontier? It's all gay ass shit like fixing Pokemon by making them into completely new mons.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why aren't there any actually cool hacks of Gen 1/2, like adding double battles or battle frontier?
      Working with Gamefreak code is a nightmare. Putting the Battle Frontier in just FRLG would be a nightmare despite Emerald and FRLG sharing a gen. You're probably better off recreating Johto in Emerald's engine so it can have the Frontier instead of bring the Frontier to gen 2.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      gen 1 has a battle factory romhack

  25. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    How would one go about putting this on a physical GBA cartridge?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      No idea but it's a GBC rom, it wouldn't play in something like a DS Lite gba slot even if you could fit it in.
      No idea why he used a GBA cart in the thumbnail, I just chalk it up to clickbaiting youtuber bullshit at this point, nothing about their content is honest.

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