Emerald.
GBA Pokemon had the best meta, best region (Hoenn), best pokedex, best postgame (Hoenn's Battle Frontier is still unmatched), best story (nearly every game since has attempted to imitate it and fell short), even the best home console sidegames. Pokemon has never been that good since. Platinum felt like a retread in a cold boring region with shitty crossgen mods and way too many legendaries to the point where the concept jumped the shark.
You have no idea what you're even talking about, just stop.
>even the best home console side games
You haven't played those shitty games since you were 8, clearly. They are literally just on rails gauntlets of trainer battles.
>You've never played them.
I grew up with XD so I know full well. You didn't refute my statement so I take it i hit the nail on the head. Go play Colosseum and XD again right now and tell me they still hold up to your nostalgia.
The only reason they had novelty was because of Pokemon on your TV in 3D.
You neither. Many Pokemon were useless until gen 4 since physical and special attacks were fixed to a type. The meta was at it's best in gen 4 hell even most sets now use variants of the original ones used back then to adapt to the modern meta.
>You have no idea what you're even talking about, just stop.
YOU don't poser. Most mons in Gen 3 couldn't do shit in gen 3 until Phys/spec split saved em.
Ttar sandstorm plus spikes set up mono[olized the meta.
All of this is moot anyway because lol metaprostituteing, let alone pre-wifi
Your meta is hindsight based. Not historical.
>even the best home console side games
You haven't played those shitty games since you were 8, clearly. They are literally just on rails gauntlets of trainer battles.
>best meta
Questionable with the lack of physical and special split >best region (Hoenn),
If there was way less surfing I would agree >best pokedex
Wtf is this? They cut out a shitton of pokemon >best postgame
HGSS is still the best >even the best home console sidegames.
Agreed >way too many legendaries
Gen 3 also introduced a lot of legendaries relative to Gen 1/2.
The physical/special split was a sidegrade at best. It fricked over some pokemon and helped others. Competitive team building was more interesting when people didn't just throw on obligatory STAB moves every time and had to think outside of the box.
USUM.
3DS Pokemon had the best meta, best region (Alola), best pokedex, best postgame (Alola's side activities are still unmatched), best story (nearly every game since has attempted to imitate it and fell short), even the best home console sidegames. Pokemon has never been that good since. Emerald felt like a retread in a heat boring region with shitty crossgen mods and literally no pokemon or change at all from ruby/sapphire to the point where the concept jumped the shark.
You got called out and now you're posting incomprehensible ESLbabble. Regardless of that, trudging through Sinnoh with its neon grass, flavourless locations and boring legendaries will never be enjoyable. That frozen shithole will always live in the colourful tropical shadow of Hoenn.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Route 217 is soulful as FRICK and few things in the series comes close. I will admit the Underwater sections in Gen 3 mog it tho.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This shit is a soulless empty void, perfectly capturing what makes Sinnoh so bad.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>empty void
Gen 4s routes are designed with actually being played in mind. The deep snow and blizzards give you the feeling of being lost in a snowstorm and finding shelter in a cottage on your long trek, finding lost items in the snow and everything. Sorry it isn't skin deep enough for you to appreciate.
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9 months ago
Anonymous
This is just schizo rambling and trying to sugar coat the nothingness that are Sinnoh's routes.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>nuh uh it's le bad
Get a real argument, isshugay
9 months ago
Anonymous
Provide one yourself first, moron. >THE EMPTY AND BARREN ROUTE ISN'T REALLY BARREN!!
That's you
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, its so soulful how route 217 turns an already slow game into a literal snooze fest. Also take note of the soulful bright green grass that somehow manages to appear totally unperturbed by its wintery surroundings, you just know that SO much heart and soul was poured into the creation of this map
9 months ago
Anonymous
>low attentions[pan zoomie can't take in seconds to smell the roses and soak in the atmosphere.
I pity you
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, unlike me, youre good at takings things in, you dumb fricking homosexual
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Also take note of the soulful bright green grass that somehow manages to appear totally unperturbed by its wintery surroundings
They did it for HGSS even though the snow area wasn’t even in the original game. The trees were left unchanged though.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, and it looks like shit here, too
9 months ago
Anonymous
why do you think anyone cares about your shitty opinion tho
>R/S/E brought some much-needed gameplay innovations in the form of abilities, natures, double battles, a shakeup of the evil team ambition, multiplayer minigames, contests. Sinnoh just coasted on these innovations and didn't really do anything new or interesting apart from the debatable physical/special split which was already discussed.
All of that stuff <<< Phys Spec split tho. Also GTS and Wifi and wireless was huge and more meaningful than invisible elements like natures.
Why do you keep ending sentences with "tho"? Are you brown?
Gen 4 was designed with the idea of "evolution" in mind and it shows and it's also why I think the games were so good.
Everything about how they are designed and what they prioritize screams "refinement" and "improvement" and "taking things into the modern age".
Improved TM list, improved Movepools, Improved item selection and options, improved shops, physical special split, evolutions for a bunch of old mons so they stay relevant, taking the Secret base and Contests from gen 3 and moving em forward, etc etc.
Gen 5 is the way it is because Gamefreak realised they couldn't top Gen 4, so they shook the etchesketch board instead and have been ever since.
>Everything about how they are designed and what they prioritize screams "refinement" and "improvement" and "taking things into the modern age".
is that why the framerate dropped and battle text takes eons to appear
>Gen 5 is the way it is because Gamefreak realised they couldn't top Gen 4
Makes no sense. Gen 4 was bottom of the barrel and every game afterwards has been better than it.
Masuda literally admitted as much. They struggled to think of how they could top gen 4 so they have been sidegrading ever since.
Gen 4 had fricking Time, Space and God in it. How do you top that?
>BUT MASUDA SAID
Yeah that's your argument? Gen 4 is objectively bad and the worst of the series, but funny to know your mindset hinges on what nips say.
>Yeah that's your argument
Yeah I think the person making the games kinda holds a lot of weight and no amount of bellyaching over him being senile NOW over dexit changes the fact it was what he said at the time.
Your seething tells me you have a lot of Isshues.
>I think the person making the games kinda holds a lot of weight
And that's where you're mistaken. What Masuda says mean nothing. Games are for the gamers, not the creators. A chef can say their dish is the best but ultimately the consumers decide that. Also I love the pre-cope about dexit, because you also know that's a legitimate argument against Masuda. Are you Joe Merrick by any chance?
Cynthia is just a retread of Steven. Her sole appeal, the only reason she has fans, is due to her having a vegana and (very small) breasts.
Sinnoh legitimately just clumsily rehashed most of Hoenn's concepts.
9 months ago
Anonymous
why do you think anyone cares about your shitty opinion tho
9 months ago
Anonymous
Why do you not have any counter-arguments whatsoever?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>clumsily >Sinnoh is vastly more popular than Hoenn and the only thing giving Hoenn any relevancy is Fug memes
Clumsily?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, Clumsily. Sinnoh is legitimately only popular because of Cynthia and her wildly offmodel porn. Nobody actually enjoyed playing the games themselves since they are inherently unfun to play due to the incredibly slow and awful engine, overabundance of HMs, weak regional dex, and unmemorable locations. Sinnoh is sandwiched between two incredibly superior generations.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>overabundance of HMs
Forced meme. You unironically have to deal with HMs no more than in Hoenn. Sinnoh never requires more than like 3 per area. Some homosexual just pretends all of the different parts of Mt Coronet are one area to artificially bring the game down.
You also can spread em out more unlike Hoenn where your water-type needs 3 HMs.
No shade Hoennbros. Gen 3 sprinted so Gen 4 could Sprint itself.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sinnoh had way too much HM reliance even without Mt Coronet. There was not even a need to add another new HM, Dive was the most fun and interesting one and they dropped it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Sinnoh is legitimately only popular because of Cynthia and her wildly offmodel porn
Piplup and Lucario are also the most popular nugen pokemon. Dawn is very popular as well. The anime season is really liked too.
No one has ever found the locations unmemorable. DPPT doesn't have Dive or Whirlpool so it's not the region where its most annoying to deal with HMs. Speed is the only flaw you listed and it only shows how much people like Sinnoh since they put up with it. Besides BDSP fixes whatever problems people have with the engine. >sandwiched between two incredibly superior generations.
Hoenn and Unova absolutely do not have as many popular things as Sinnoh does. We can shitpost about gameplay all thread but your arguments so far already paint Hoenn as living in Sinnoh's shadow and I don't even want to imagine what you have in store for Unova.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Sinnoh is sandwiched between two incredibly superior generations.
lmao kys baiter
9 months ago
Anonymous
>two incredibly superior generations.
Hoenn-senpai is based but Unova is gaijin kusoge by comparison.
Sinnoh's only sin is sometimes it was 1 step forward 1 step back with its enhancement of a lot of Gen 3s ideas.
Getting to transfer my living dex to gen 4 and evolve my bros from FR and Saph was cathartic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sinnoh tried to enhance Gen 3's ideas but just ended up making lamer versions of them. The Team Galactic plot was so disappointing after the once-novel apocalyptic Aqua/Magma scheme. That was cool after dealing with Team Rocket, but in Sinnoh it just felt like a retread. Oh boy, we're saving the whole world from some evil team every game now. R/S/E brought some much-needed gameplay innovations in the form of abilities, natures, double battles, a shakeup of the evil team ambition, multiplayer minigames, contests. Sinnoh just coasted on these innovations and didn't really do anything new or interesting apart from the debatable physical/special split which was already discussed.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The Team Galactic plot was so disappointing after the once-novel apocalyptic Aqua/Magma scheme
Im sorry but "moar water/moar land" was dumb and the way it is resolved in all 3 games is anticlimactic as frick. you get told to go to Sootopolis, walking into a cave, catch the legend, THE END, back to the Water Gym with 0 closer or fanfare. ORAS definitely fixed this immensely.
Gen 4 does a way better job of making the plot feel like it has stakes and consequences as well as build up rather than just kinda being something that happens and is quickly resolved.
Team Aqua and Magma do nothing to build towards their lan until the 9th hour.
We follow Team Galactic's plans to build the red chain from the beginning and it's far more coherent as well as the way they are stopped.
Emerald is a bit better with Rayquaza needing to be fetched to stop the fighting but its not much better.
I agree every game doing it is a forced meme but I don't agree Sinnoh caused a burn out when it was only the second game to do it and simply did it better. >Sinnoh just coasted on these innovations and didn't really do anything new or interesting apart from the debatable physical/special split which was already discussed.
Sinnoh vastly expanded the movepools of Pokemon in accordance to the physical special split and gave much needed additions to the evo list of old mons so they weren't left in the dust. it also introduced the Poketch which was the best gadget in the series and mogged the PokeNav. It gave us the Poke Radar
Gen 4 also gave us fricking Wifi. Its why we have a meaningful online (scene in the first place, along with shit like replays.
Running out of characters)
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sinnoh did it worse and started it being a forced meme. It should have had an interesting new team with different goals, not "use legendaries to destroy the world" again. Sinnoh legitimately caused a lot of people to leave the franchise because it cemented the idea that pokemon was content to just rehash from there on out.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Sinnoh did it worse and started it being a forced meme.
I already explained why this is false.
Please read the whole post this time.
>not "use legendaries to destroy the world" again.
RSE villains weren't even trying to destroy the world. They were trying to enhance it. The Super Ancient mons tearing shit up was a literal accident because they are somehow more idiotic than Team Rocket.
Cyrus on the other hand knew what he was doing and it would have worked had you not stopped him.
Team Aqua/Magma feels like a thing that happens and goes as quickly as it starts by comparison. >Sinnoh legitimately caused a lot of people to leave the franchise because it cemented the idea that pokemon was content to just rehash from there on out.
Se we just maiign shti up? Sinnoh was when I saw so many people coming back in or entering for the first time. the only game to do that better are XY and Go.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Se we just maiign shti up?
So we just making shit up*
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Cyrus on the other hand knew what he was doing and it would have worked had you not stopped him
Kinda his own fault when he just lets you free the lake trio after you beat him even though he knows they can stop Dialga/Palkia’s power together.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Plat did it better when he went for both I guess since they couldn't stop both
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Sinnoh legitimately caused a lot of people to leave the franchise
Ah one of the rarer Unovatardisms. >actually it's Sinnoh's fault Unova had lower sales!
9 months ago
Anonymous
How else would you explain it? Unova had ambition, it had an interesting new plot for the evil team, it had a region with lots of variety, it had a complex story and a dex full of new pokemon that were distributed intelligently throughout the game. If Sinnoh didn't cause so many older fans to check out because of how fricking bland and samey it was, a lot more people would have given BW/2 a chance.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>How else would you explain it?
Unova simply was not as successful. That's all. Everything you listed reveals Unova was somewhat experimental but experiments sometimes fail. Well, swapping Zubat for Woobat isn't much of an experiment but I digress. I don't really want to pick this post apart much but >were distributed intelligently
We're suffering from Rufflet needing to be level 54 to evolve to this day. The game design was not very intelligent.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>R/S/E brought some much-needed gameplay innovations in the form of abilities, natures, double battles, a shakeup of the evil team ambition, multiplayer minigames, contests. Sinnoh just coasted on these innovations and didn't really do anything new or interesting apart from the debatable physical/special split which was already discussed.
All of that stuff <<< Phys Spec split tho. Also GTS and Wifi and wireless was huge and more meaningful than invisible elements like natures.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>All of that stuff <<< Phys Spec split
Pathetic cope. The split wasn't even an across-the-board improvement because of Game Freak's incompetence. They could have made pokemon like Flareon useful by giving it Flare Blitz but they didn't even bother.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine pretending natures were more important lol. >Flareon
Not like they ruined it. It just didn't get as much benefit.
Gen 4 was when they started handholding.
In what universe? They were the last games with challenge.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>They were the last games with challenge.
Because you were a dumb kid who didn't know any better.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Im counting HGSS as Gen 4 dummy
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, I indeed posted HGSS, a Gen 4 game.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Which had good challenge
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Not like they ruined it.
We've established that the split helped some pokemon, ruined some others, and didn't do shit for the rest. Why people keep touting it as some amazing boon for the franchise is a mystery to everyone who hasn't consoomed the kool-aid.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Because it was overall good for the game. The ones that got screwed mostly consisted of pokemon that were maladapted to the previous shitty system or had dumb movepools to begin with that ;later gens would need to patch up. Claiming its proof the Split was a minor change is incessantly moronic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Because it was overall good for the game.
It demonstrably wasn't. It just shuffled things around in terms of which pokemon were good and which were now bad while a lot of pokemon just remained shitmons. People are more in love with the idea of what the split could have done as opposed to what it actually did in practice.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This. All the split did was raise the tide so that the overall power level was higher. It didn’t balance or equalize anything and game freak being game freak just used it as an excuse to make their shillmons even more minmaxed and broken. Now Mixed attackers are even harder to justify, since you don’t need both attack stats to take full advanced of type coverage
That’s not even getting into Steath rock. Which server a purpose in rightfully nerfing flying types (since they were immune to spikes, earthquake and arena trap) but Ice, Fire, and Bug got thrown under the bus.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The split would have been perfect if Game Freak completely overhauled every pokemon's stats
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It just shuffled things around in terms of which pokemon were good and which were now bad while a lot of pokemon just remained shitmons.
You're so simple minded. It allowed for things like mixed attacking strategies, made it so you had to think about more than just typings in certain matchups when it came to what defensive stats you were trying to take into consideration and added much needed clarity to moves since things like the Elemental punches being special is unintuitive as frick.
Only metaprostitutes act like its just down to who goes up and down the latter.
9 months ago
Anonymous
see
This. All the split did was raise the tide so that the overall power level was higher. It didn’t balance or equalize anything and game freak being game freak just used it as an excuse to make their shillmons even more minmaxed and broken. Now Mixed attackers are even harder to justify, since you don’t need both attack stats to take full advanced of type coverage
That’s not even getting into Steath rock. Which server a purpose in rightfully nerfing flying types (since they were immune to spikes, earthquake and arena trap) but Ice, Fire, and Bug got thrown under the bus.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I read the post. It says nothing of value.
What I can say is that Sinnoh discussion basically just involves waifuposting Dawn and Cynthia. Nobody really talks about the gameplay in Sinnoh-related threads. Hoenn and Unova threads are the most gameplay-focused.
>ignoring this very thread
okay >Unova >gameplay discussion
Unova is reliant on boogeymanninggayging and shotting on other gens and wanking its shitty story
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Her sole appeal, the only reason she has fans, is due to her having a vegana and (very small) breasts.
literally all she needs to be better than steven the best overall. also you forgot the fact that she's the hardest champion.
9 months ago
Anonymous
KEK, that thread was the best one this year
https://arch.b4k.co/vp/thread/54302747/
>Cynthia is also the best champion by far
Overrated waifu shilled by ashnimegays
Only thing I would heavily rate down on gen 4 tbh. She was discount Steven. No one would give a shit about her if she wasn't a female.
>taking the Secret base and Contests from gen 3 and moving em forward
But the secret bases in Sinnoh are a downgrade from the ones in Hoenn, so are the contests unless you really really enjoy that “dressup” and rythm mini-game.
If you lack the VS Seeker or any suitable grinding replacements you are not better than any Sinnoh game.
If your gyms have 3 mons at most and your E4 has 4 mons at most you are not better than any Sinnoh game.
If your move tutor is postgame you are not better than Platinum.
If I can't get a pokemon with compoundeyes that can learn thief before postgame you are not better than Platinum.
If your Battle Tower lacks Gym and Villain team rematches your remake isn't even better than BDSP.
Correct. Gen 4 gave us HGSS, Mystery Dungeons Explorers of Time/Darkness and Sky, Rangers 1, Shadow's of Almia and Guardian Signs, The best rival in the ashnime in Paul, The best league prior to gen 6, and much more.
>HGSS
bad remakes of bad games >Mystery Dungeons Explorers of Time/Darkness and Sky
If you've played one Mystery Dungeon you've played them all, already played the Gen 3 version >Rangers 1, Shadow's of Almia and Guardian Signs
Mediocre shovelware titles designed to ruin your touchscreen >The best rival in the ashnime in Paul
Just a shitty edgelord retread of Silver who was already lame as it is >The best league prior to gen 6
Hoenn league mogs it >and much more
cope
>bad remakes of bad games
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? >If you've played one Mystery Dungeon you've played them all, already played the Gen 3 version
as someone who LOVES Mystery Dunegon games as a whole especially Pokemon, the Gen 4 ones are overall better minus a few things that make me still go back to gen 3. Also you're wrong. Mystery Dungeon games all have their nuances. >Mediocre shovelware titles designed to ruin your touchscreen
Skill issue >Just a shitty edgelord retread of Silver who was already lame as it is
How was he a retread when Silver was a shitter that had to learn the power of friendship Paul was a commentary on comp players vs casual players. His brother was even a Breeder to drive the point home. >Hoenn league mogs it
I was talking about the ashnime but since you bring it up, Hoenn's League is a joke dude. Gen 4s isn't peak either but it's definitely more memorable. Glacia is such a forgettable E4. >cope
no u also at least Gen 4 didn't have 1/3rd of its mechanics not even work.
He should have had another Rapidash and two Monferno instead.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The Hoenn League members you posted at least used pokemon from their gen. Flint had to use KANTOOOOOmons just to try and stay on theme. Why didn't he have a Magmortar right from the beginning? It's because the design was fricking idiotic. Shades of Johto with the awful team composition choices. Sinnoh and Johto being intertwined is a perfect shitshow.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Three of his five pokemon are gen 4. Or are you one of those autists that gets mad when they see a single gen 1 pokemon outside of kanto?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The Hoenn League members you posted at least used pokemon from their gen
What is the obsession with only using new pokemon from a specific generation? Should old Pokemon only ever be seen in shit side games for the gamecube?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Don't you DARE shittalk best regions.
Flint's Team is WAY better than your boring as monomon teams that fold to one SE move spammed over and over.
And Al his mons are on theme as well. Blimps use hot air, Lopunny is hot and and Steelix is hardened from molten heat at near the earths core.
His team also has CREATE moveset coverage unlike Phoebe whose team kills itself for you and Glacia whose team is a joke.
Blimp can Baton pass DoubleTeams and spread burns while APE can EQ the shit out of you and hti waters with T punch and steal KOS with mach punch.
Lop has Mirror Coat for Surprise K.O.s. and Sunny day keeps the Water's at bay.
9 months ago
Anonymous
> Sinnoh and Johto being intertwined is a perfect shitshow.
Johto has the excuse of being designed before Game Freak knew how to handle new Pokémon and new generation. It also had to deal with tech limitations. Ana the overall power level of pokemkn was just lower back then. HGSS at least tried to fix most of that but Game Freak has always been afraid of being “unfaithful”.
Meanwhile Sinnoh doubles down on Johto’s flaws and then some, barren regional dex with only 150 Pokémon becauseKANTOOOOOOO did it, wild mons being mostly GenWun shitmons, several Sinnoh Pokémon locked to the post game, more worthless baby pokemon, the elite 4 using fricking Dustox and Beatifly, grunts with ducking wurmple, almost no Fire types, almost no ice types, MORE worthless baby pokemon, for frick sake even honey trees are just a far far worse version of headbutt trees.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The Hoenn League members you posted at least used pokemon from their gen.
And?
Hoenn is shitmon central so that's more of a negative if anything.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Hoenn is shitmon central
That's Johto. Meanwhile, Sinnoh is ugly crossgen evo central.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>That's Johto.
No, it's not. No one likes your SFMAs Hoenntroon.
>actually his good coverage of mons so you doesn't just die to SURF spam
Oh the horror. Clearly he should followed Gen 3s lead and have 2 monferno and 3 rapidash instead.
No one mentioned that Gen 4 had the longest cycle of any gen. So it's was ALOT of peoples first pokemon game. Basically they never played a good pokemon game which is why it's so worshiped around here. It would explain why Cynthia gave problems to those who tried to defeat her (despite the horrid dex). Personally when I first fought against her I completely swept her team with my Torterra. She's not a difficult champion at all.
That's not how that works at all. Sales show most people's first game was Gen 3.
Geh 4 was a lot of people's second or 3rd entry and that is a very good time for it to make a good impression on people because its designed to be an enhancement of everything that came before
>thank goodness for a remake that didn't fix the core problems of the original game and alienated nostalgiahomosexuals with the things they did change
HG/SS was created for people who had never played a Johto game before. The people who grew up playing them now make video essays about why they're terrible games.
Gen Z grew up playing HG/SS. Millennials played the original G/S.
You neither. Many Pokemon were useless until gen 4 since physical and special attacks were fixed to a type. The meta was at it's best in gen 4 hell even most sets now use variants of the original ones used back then to adapt to the modern meta.
>Many Pokemon were useless until gen 4 since physical and special attacks were fixed to a type.
Yeah, and now many Pokemon became useless in Gen 4 because of the change. Alakazam got nerfed into the ground, Sceptile's signature move was now unusuable, Ampharos and Typhlosion lost important coverage... it wasn't all improvements across the board like proponents of the split like to pretend it was.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Ttar sandstorm plus spikes set up mono[olized the meta.
As opposed to sneaky pebbles?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You have no idea what you're even talking about, just stop.
YOU don't poser. Most mons in Gen 3 couldn't do shit in gen 3 until Phys/spec split saved em.
Ttar sandstorm plus spikes set up mono[olized the meta.
All of this is moot anyway because lol metaprostituteing, let alone pre-wifi
Your meta is hindsight based. Not historical.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Hey, i'm not here to defend sneaky pebbles, but unlike SR, which was just a move, Sandstorm + spikes set up was a playstyle everyone had to play around because it dominated the format
>The people who grew up playing them now make video essays about why they're terrible games.
Yeah and they're homosexuals.
Being negative about pokemon is what gets clicks. I will always love HGSS, though I have the most fondest memories of the originals. I try to find something positive about every gen and there always is, but personally Gen 4 is my least favorite next to Gen 6. Gen 6 had a good dex imo but everything else was trash (minus the finale with AZ, I legit teared up the first time I played it)
Infernape is he best Starter ever. Flaming SunWukong > literal flaming wiener
The rest of these are reaches or complaining about gamefreak actually building on its previous concepts rather than ditching em.
>pretending it didn't
Everyone takes Manectric because Plusle and Minun suck.
Everyone used Taillow unless you waiting 5 evers for Swablu
etc etc
The only variety you really have is version exclusive Grassmon and water pokemon since you're drowning in watermons in Gen 3.
Your options for Firemons is Blaziken, Numel and Slugma
>Everyone takes Manectric >Everyone used Taillow
I didn't use either of these nor did I ever feel obligated to. >etc etc
having to cope with "etc" after two incredibly shitty examples because you can't think of any more is hilarious
>uses the Emerald distribution for Gen 3 but only DP for Gen 4 >includes legendaries that are post game.
Dishonest cuck.
Most of the shit you listed is either way too late into the game for you to bother with or straight up post game.
No one waits til the end of the game to use Armaldo or Cradily. No one waits t use frickign trashsola or Relic**t.
Nosepass requires a stupid amount of backtracking that isn't worth even doing because its ass.
I could go on. The only person coping is you
The regis are available before beating the game. The only legendaries that are post game in Ruby/Sapphire are the eon twins and Rayquaza. You can catch Rayquaza before the E4 in Emerald meaning you’ll have a level 70 Pokemon to steamroll the league with.
The Regi trio alone takes a big steaming dump on Sinnoh. Three fricking blue Mews. We were supposed to get excited to catch those I guess.
9 months ago
Anonymous
sinnoh has the regis too in arguably better locations and has regigigas and gen 4 literally gives almost all the regis lore.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Sinnoh rehashed some stuff from Hoenn
We know. The problem is the new things they tried all sucked. Six gorillion new legendaries and none were interesting.
9 months ago
Anonymous
? sinnoh legendaries are the most important in the entire series.
9 months ago
Anonymous
They're supposed to be important in lore but they all have shitty designs and are uninteresting, there's too many of them in a single region and it waters down the concept
9 months ago
Anonymous
>They're supposed to be important in lore but they [subjective], there's [autism based on no standard] and i[headcanon]
Where are the arguments?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>calling anyone else autistic while defending Sinnoh's legendary pokemon bloat
Not only are there way too many of them, they're laughably powerful in-lore compared to the rest, especially Arceus. It's like they were conceptualised by fricking Chris-chan, no subtlety involved. Once you've done God: the Pokemon, you either end the series on that note or continue churning out lesser legendaries knowing everyone else already checked out on giving a frick about them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I know the average autist on /vp/ only plays Pokemon and knows nothing about any other videogame series, nor are they capable of thinking for themselves and questioning genwar memes which is why they think "legendary bloat" is a gamebreaking flaw, but God is not a big deal in JRPGs.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sinnoh having too many lame legendaries has been discussed since the games were still new
It refutes your implication that it's a /vp/ thing or a genwar meme. This sentiment can be found all over the internet, since release, by people who play plenty of jrpgs. They were so lame and forgettable that Game Freak apparently forgot they already did a legendary with a lunar theme and made another.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It refutes your implication that it's a /vp/ thing or a genwar meme
Pokemon fans are well known for not playing videogames besides Pokemon. >They were so lame and forgettable that Game Freak apparently forgot they already did a legendary with a lunar theme and made another.
They serve completely different purposes. Lunala embodies the moon more, Cresselia only represents the lunar phase and has more to do with pleasant dreams to counter Darkrai's nightmares. All your arguments are surface level brainlet complaints.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>sinnoh has the regis too in arguably better locations
As long as you have a specific Regigigas that was only given out as an event. And let’s not talk about that horrible version of the regi theme in DPPt
I grew up with the old games, I loved them, but at this point it's just too weird going back to a pre-fairy time. I will play the shit out of the remakes though.
What I can say is that Sinnoh discussion basically just involves waifuposting Dawn and Cynthia. Nobody really talks about the gameplay in Sinnoh-related threads. Hoenn and Unova threads are the most gameplay-focused.
That's because it's the only worthwhile thing to talk about with Sinnoh. I find it very telling that a lot of people's favorite Gen 4 games are spin-off games like PMD or Rangers rather than the mainline games.
I read the post. It says nothing of value.
[...] >ignoring this very thread
okay >Unova >gameplay discussion
Unova is reliant on boogeymanninggayging and shotting on other gens and wanking its shitty story
People always talk about stuff like the PWT and the way they broke series convention by making only Unova pokemon available. Black City vs White Forest, that kind of thing. There's nothing really new to talk about with Sinnoh since it just rides Hoenn's coattails. It was a rehash gameplay-wise.
I will never get over the fact that they thought three blue Mews that live in some lakes would make for a good trio. And what the frick was up with Manaphy? Why does it have a baby form that can't even fricking evolve? Cresselia is so forgettable that they created another Lunar-themed legendary a few gens later to be a box legendary.
>why does it even exist
Hoenntroony, weren't you complaining about how important sinnoh legends are, now you are b***hing about a gen 1 style legendary that's just a rare pokemon?
Pokemon literally peaked in the first generation, no opinions, just facts.
Most people dropped Pokemon after pokemania then briefly come back during gen 4, and then most left immediately after (didn't even wait for platinum) and didn't care about Pokemon till the GOmania, and now currently don't care.
Now that I think about it, judging something purely by the numbers is definitely not the way to go, because you only get grifters with that method.
My personal favorite period was HGSS with the pokewalker and all the Zack and Cody commercials.
It just so happens that there are thousands of Cynthia-simps and Dawn-simps, two of the most overrated characters in the franchise, and these shitty simps would never say anything bad about Gen 4
My first games.
I only knew Pokemon for the anime before that although I remember seeing a trailer for Ruby and Sapphire on the TV and remember seeing Pokemon Emerald in the store.
I read some Yugioh related magazine at that time and it had pictures of Dialga and Palkia on the last sites. I was interested, never seen these legendary Pokemon (because I only watched the anime an this not regularly) and then I searched for them on the net and found out about Diamond and Pearl and saw all the legendaries on the wiki. I didn't have Pokemon games before that but I got interested in owning such powerful Pokemon. That's why I decided to buy Pokemon Diamond. Before that I watched Maryland's playthrough of Pokemon Diamond a bit on youtube.
Katy Perry peaked here
True. It peaked in low quality there.
What’s the peak in good quality to you then?
Emerald.
GBA Pokemon had the best meta, best region (Hoenn), best pokedex, best postgame (Hoenn's Battle Frontier is still unmatched), best story (nearly every game since has attempted to imitate it and fell short), even the best home console sidegames. Pokemon has never been that good since. Platinum felt like a retread in a cold boring region with shitty crossgen mods and way too many legendaries to the point where the concept jumped the shark.
>GBA Pokemon had the best meta
Ttar Sandstorm.meta was just the calm before the Gen 5 weather aids storm. No it wasn't lol.
You have no idea what you're even talking about, just stop.
You've never played them.
>You've never played them.
I grew up with XD so I know full well. You didn't refute my statement so I take it i hit the nail on the head. Go play Colosseum and XD again right now and tell me they still hold up to your nostalgia.
The only reason they had novelty was because of Pokemon on your TV in 3D.
You neither. Many Pokemon were useless until gen 4 since physical and special attacks were fixed to a type. The meta was at it's best in gen 4 hell even most sets now use variants of the original ones used back then to adapt to the modern meta.
>You have no idea what you're even talking about, just stop.
YOU don't poser. Most mons in Gen 3 couldn't do shit in gen 3 until Phys/spec split saved em.
Ttar sandstorm plus spikes set up mono[olized the meta.
All of this is moot anyway because lol metaprostituteing, let alone pre-wifi
Your meta is hindsight based. Not historical.
>even the best home console side games
You haven't played those shitty games since you were 8, clearly. They are literally just on rails gauntlets of trainer battles.
>best meta
Questionable with the lack of physical and special split
>best region (Hoenn),
If there was way less surfing I would agree
>best pokedex
Wtf is this? They cut out a shitton of pokemon
>best postgame
HGSS is still the best
>even the best home console sidegames.
Agreed
>way too many legendaries
Gen 3 also introduced a lot of legendaries relative to Gen 1/2.
The physical/special split was a sidegrade at best. It fricked over some pokemon and helped others. Competitive team building was more interesting when people didn't just throw on obligatory STAB moves every time and had to think outside of the box.
>It fricked over some pokemon
Not true.
Alakazam went from OU to UU after losing the elemental punches
USUM.
3DS Pokemon had the best meta, best region (Alola), best pokedex, best postgame (Alola's side activities are still unmatched), best story (nearly every game since has attempted to imitate it and fell short), even the best home console sidegames. Pokemon has never been that good since. Emerald felt like a retread in a heat boring region with shitty crossgen mods and literally no pokemon or change at all from ruby/sapphire to the point where the concept jumped the shark.
If you're going to try this, you have to not be an ESL. Find a White friend to translate for you if you must.
>to not be
>to translate for you if you must
>mentions ESL
>mentions white
Yep, it's a mentally handicapped shitskin of some sort. Most likely an amerimutt
You got called out and now you're posting incomprehensible ESLbabble. Regardless of that, trudging through Sinnoh with its neon grass, flavourless locations and boring legendaries will never be enjoyable. That frozen shithole will always live in the colourful tropical shadow of Hoenn.
Route 217 is soulful as FRICK and few things in the series comes close. I will admit the Underwater sections in Gen 3 mog it tho.
This shit is a soulless empty void, perfectly capturing what makes Sinnoh so bad.
>empty void
Gen 4s routes are designed with actually being played in mind. The deep snow and blizzards give you the feeling of being lost in a snowstorm and finding shelter in a cottage on your long trek, finding lost items in the snow and everything. Sorry it isn't skin deep enough for you to appreciate.
%2B%3AVideoGameMusic
This is just schizo rambling and trying to sugar coat the nothingness that are Sinnoh's routes.
>nuh uh it's le bad
Get a real argument, isshugay
Provide one yourself first, moron.
>THE EMPTY AND BARREN ROUTE ISN'T REALLY BARREN!!
That's you
Yeah, its so soulful how route 217 turns an already slow game into a literal snooze fest. Also take note of the soulful bright green grass that somehow manages to appear totally unperturbed by its wintery surroundings, you just know that SO much heart and soul was poured into the creation of this map
>low attentions[pan zoomie can't take in seconds to smell the roses and soak in the atmosphere.
I pity you
yeah, unlike me, youre good at takings things in, you dumb fricking homosexual
>Also take note of the soulful bright green grass that somehow manages to appear totally unperturbed by its wintery surroundings
They did it for HGSS even though the snow area wasn’t even in the original game. The trees were left unchanged though.
yeah, and it looks like shit here, too
Why do you keep ending sentences with "tho"? Are you brown?
Post 1 and 3 are me. Post 2 is not
>thinking that the rival in gen 1 being the champion was intended to be a "plot twist"
Stopped reading there.
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Those are the worst games in the series though
>But-
Cope
Yeah
>all jobbed to animal crossing new horizon
Nice series pokebabs
>DP 11
>Platinum 99
>SWSH fricking 13lmao
I love gen 4 but how can you take these rankings seriously
Gen 4 was designed with the idea of "evolution" in mind and it shows and it's also why I think the games were so good.
Everything about how they are designed and what they prioritize screams "refinement" and "improvement" and "taking things into the modern age".
Improved TM list, improved Movepools, Improved item selection and options, improved shops, physical special split, evolutions for a bunch of old mons so they stay relevant, taking the Secret base and Contests from gen 3 and moving em forward, etc etc.
Gen 5 is the way it is because Gamefreak realised they couldn't top Gen 4, so they shook the etchesketch board instead and have been ever since.
>Everything about how they are designed and what they prioritize screams "refinement" and "improvement" and "taking things into the modern age".
is that why the framerate dropped and battle text takes eons to appear
>muh framerate meme
exaggerated crutch. Imagine crying about frame rate in a turn based RPG
>text
Change the text speed in the menu, dummy.
Emerald and HGSS were also based.
>BW
lol no
>Gen 5 is the way it is because Gamefreak realised they couldn't top Gen 4
Makes no sense. Gen 4 was bottom of the barrel and every game afterwards has been better than it.
Masuda literally admitted as much. They struggled to think of how they could top gen 4 so they have been sidegrading ever since.
Gen 4 had fricking Time, Space and God in it. How do you top that?
>BUT MASUDA SAID
Yeah that's your argument? Gen 4 is objectively bad and the worst of the series, but funny to know your mindset hinges on what nips say.
>Yeah that's your argument
Yeah I think the person making the games kinda holds a lot of weight and no amount of bellyaching over him being senile NOW over dexit changes the fact it was what he said at the time.
Your seething tells me you have a lot of Isshues.
>I think the person making the games kinda holds a lot of weight
And that's where you're mistaken. What Masuda says mean nothing. Games are for the gamers, not the creators. A chef can say their dish is the best but ultimately the consumers decide that. Also I love the pre-cope about dexit, because you also know that's a legitimate argument against Masuda. Are you Joe Merrick by any chance?
>Gen 4 had fricking Time, Space and God in it. How do you top that?
You dont
Cynthia is also the best champion by far
Best champion at losing, maybe.
She’s tied with Red at the moment with 4 losses.
Nah, just Best Champion
Best champion at sucking dick.
Thats Leon (raihans wiener)
Cynthia is just a retread of Steven. Her sole appeal, the only reason she has fans, is due to her having a vegana and (very small) breasts.
Sinnoh legitimately just clumsily rehashed most of Hoenn's concepts.
why do you think anyone cares about your shitty opinion tho
Why do you not have any counter-arguments whatsoever?
>clumsily
>Sinnoh is vastly more popular than Hoenn and the only thing giving Hoenn any relevancy is Fug memes
Clumsily?
Yes, Clumsily. Sinnoh is legitimately only popular because of Cynthia and her wildly offmodel porn. Nobody actually enjoyed playing the games themselves since they are inherently unfun to play due to the incredibly slow and awful engine, overabundance of HMs, weak regional dex, and unmemorable locations. Sinnoh is sandwiched between two incredibly superior generations.
>overabundance of HMs
Forced meme. You unironically have to deal with HMs no more than in Hoenn. Sinnoh never requires more than like 3 per area. Some homosexual just pretends all of the different parts of Mt Coronet are one area to artificially bring the game down.
You also can spread em out more unlike Hoenn where your water-type needs 3 HMs.
No shade Hoennbros. Gen 3 sprinted so Gen 4 could Sprint itself.
Sinnoh had way too much HM reliance even without Mt Coronet. There was not even a need to add another new HM, Dive was the most fun and interesting one and they dropped it.
>Sinnoh is legitimately only popular because of Cynthia and her wildly offmodel porn
Piplup and Lucario are also the most popular nugen pokemon. Dawn is very popular as well. The anime season is really liked too.
No one has ever found the locations unmemorable. DPPT doesn't have Dive or Whirlpool so it's not the region where its most annoying to deal with HMs. Speed is the only flaw you listed and it only shows how much people like Sinnoh since they put up with it. Besides BDSP fixes whatever problems people have with the engine.
>sandwiched between two incredibly superior generations.
Hoenn and Unova absolutely do not have as many popular things as Sinnoh does. We can shitpost about gameplay all thread but your arguments so far already paint Hoenn as living in Sinnoh's shadow and I don't even want to imagine what you have in store for Unova.
>Sinnoh is sandwiched between two incredibly superior generations.
lmao kys baiter
>two incredibly superior generations.
Hoenn-senpai is based but Unova is gaijin kusoge by comparison.
Sinnoh's only sin is sometimes it was 1 step forward 1 step back with its enhancement of a lot of Gen 3s ideas.
Getting to transfer my living dex to gen 4 and evolve my bros from FR and Saph was cathartic.
Sinnoh tried to enhance Gen 3's ideas but just ended up making lamer versions of them. The Team Galactic plot was so disappointing after the once-novel apocalyptic Aqua/Magma scheme. That was cool after dealing with Team Rocket, but in Sinnoh it just felt like a retread. Oh boy, we're saving the whole world from some evil team every game now. R/S/E brought some much-needed gameplay innovations in the form of abilities, natures, double battles, a shakeup of the evil team ambition, multiplayer minigames, contests. Sinnoh just coasted on these innovations and didn't really do anything new or interesting apart from the debatable physical/special split which was already discussed.
>The Team Galactic plot was so disappointing after the once-novel apocalyptic Aqua/Magma scheme
Im sorry but "moar water/moar land" was dumb and the way it is resolved in all 3 games is anticlimactic as frick. you get told to go to Sootopolis, walking into a cave, catch the legend, THE END, back to the Water Gym with 0 closer or fanfare. ORAS definitely fixed this immensely.
Gen 4 does a way better job of making the plot feel like it has stakes and consequences as well as build up rather than just kinda being something that happens and is quickly resolved.
Team Aqua and Magma do nothing to build towards their lan until the 9th hour.
We follow Team Galactic's plans to build the red chain from the beginning and it's far more coherent as well as the way they are stopped.
Emerald is a bit better with Rayquaza needing to be fetched to stop the fighting but its not much better.
I agree every game doing it is a forced meme but I don't agree Sinnoh caused a burn out when it was only the second game to do it and simply did it better.
>Sinnoh just coasted on these innovations and didn't really do anything new or interesting apart from the debatable physical/special split which was already discussed.
Sinnoh vastly expanded the movepools of Pokemon in accordance to the physical special split and gave much needed additions to the evo list of old mons so they weren't left in the dust. it also introduced the Poketch which was the best gadget in the series and mogged the PokeNav. It gave us the Poke Radar
Gen 4 also gave us fricking Wifi. Its why we have a meaningful online (scene in the first place, along with shit like replays.
Running out of characters)
Sinnoh did it worse and started it being a forced meme. It should have had an interesting new team with different goals, not "use legendaries to destroy the world" again. Sinnoh legitimately caused a lot of people to leave the franchise because it cemented the idea that pokemon was content to just rehash from there on out.
>Sinnoh did it worse and started it being a forced meme.
I already explained why this is false.
Please read the whole post this time.
>not "use legendaries to destroy the world" again.
RSE villains weren't even trying to destroy the world. They were trying to enhance it. The Super Ancient mons tearing shit up was a literal accident because they are somehow more idiotic than Team Rocket.
Cyrus on the other hand knew what he was doing and it would have worked had you not stopped him.
Team Aqua/Magma feels like a thing that happens and goes as quickly as it starts by comparison.
>Sinnoh legitimately caused a lot of people to leave the franchise because it cemented the idea that pokemon was content to just rehash from there on out.
Se we just maiign shti up? Sinnoh was when I saw so many people coming back in or entering for the first time. the only game to do that better are XY and Go.
>Se we just maiign shti up?
So we just making shit up*
>Cyrus on the other hand knew what he was doing and it would have worked had you not stopped him
Kinda his own fault when he just lets you free the lake trio after you beat him even though he knows they can stop Dialga/Palkia’s power together.
Plat did it better when he went for both I guess since they couldn't stop both
>Sinnoh legitimately caused a lot of people to leave the franchise
Ah one of the rarer Unovatardisms.
>actually it's Sinnoh's fault Unova had lower sales!
How else would you explain it? Unova had ambition, it had an interesting new plot for the evil team, it had a region with lots of variety, it had a complex story and a dex full of new pokemon that were distributed intelligently throughout the game. If Sinnoh didn't cause so many older fans to check out because of how fricking bland and samey it was, a lot more people would have given BW/2 a chance.
>How else would you explain it?
Unova simply was not as successful. That's all. Everything you listed reveals Unova was somewhat experimental but experiments sometimes fail. Well, swapping Zubat for Woobat isn't much of an experiment but I digress. I don't really want to pick this post apart much but
>were distributed intelligently
We're suffering from Rufflet needing to be level 54 to evolve to this day. The game design was not very intelligent.
>R/S/E brought some much-needed gameplay innovations in the form of abilities, natures, double battles, a shakeup of the evil team ambition, multiplayer minigames, contests. Sinnoh just coasted on these innovations and didn't really do anything new or interesting apart from the debatable physical/special split which was already discussed.
All of that stuff <<< Phys Spec split tho. Also GTS and Wifi and wireless was huge and more meaningful than invisible elements like natures.
>All of that stuff <<< Phys Spec split
Pathetic cope. The split wasn't even an across-the-board improvement because of Game Freak's incompetence. They could have made pokemon like Flareon useful by giving it Flare Blitz but they didn't even bother.
Imagine pretending natures were more important lol.
>Flareon
Not like they ruined it. It just didn't get as much benefit.
In what universe? They were the last games with challenge.
>They were the last games with challenge.
Because you were a dumb kid who didn't know any better.
Im counting HGSS as Gen 4 dummy
Yes, I indeed posted HGSS, a Gen 4 game.
Which had good challenge
>Not like they ruined it.
We've established that the split helped some pokemon, ruined some others, and didn't do shit for the rest. Why people keep touting it as some amazing boon for the franchise is a mystery to everyone who hasn't consoomed the kool-aid.
Because it was overall good for the game. The ones that got screwed mostly consisted of pokemon that were maladapted to the previous shitty system or had dumb movepools to begin with that ;later gens would need to patch up. Claiming its proof the Split was a minor change is incessantly moronic.
>Because it was overall good for the game.
It demonstrably wasn't. It just shuffled things around in terms of which pokemon were good and which were now bad while a lot of pokemon just remained shitmons. People are more in love with the idea of what the split could have done as opposed to what it actually did in practice.
This. All the split did was raise the tide so that the overall power level was higher. It didn’t balance or equalize anything and game freak being game freak just used it as an excuse to make their shillmons even more minmaxed and broken. Now Mixed attackers are even harder to justify, since you don’t need both attack stats to take full advanced of type coverage
That’s not even getting into Steath rock. Which server a purpose in rightfully nerfing flying types (since they were immune to spikes, earthquake and arena trap) but Ice, Fire, and Bug got thrown under the bus.
The split would have been perfect if Game Freak completely overhauled every pokemon's stats
>It just shuffled things around in terms of which pokemon were good and which were now bad while a lot of pokemon just remained shitmons.
You're so simple minded. It allowed for things like mixed attacking strategies, made it so you had to think about more than just typings in certain matchups when it came to what defensive stats you were trying to take into consideration and added much needed clarity to moves since things like the Elemental punches being special is unintuitive as frick.
Only metaprostitutes act like its just down to who goes up and down the latter.
see
I read the post. It says nothing of value.
>ignoring this very thread
okay
>Unova
>gameplay discussion
Unova is reliant on boogeymanninggayging and shotting on other gens and wanking its shitty story
>Her sole appeal, the only reason she has fans, is due to her having a vegana and (very small) breasts.
literally all she needs to be better than steven the best overall. also you forgot the fact that she's the hardest champion.
KEK, that thread was the best one this year
https://arch.b4k.co/vp/thread/54302747/
>Cynthia is also the best champion by far
Overrated waifu shilled by ashnimegays
Only thing I would heavily rate down on gen 4 tbh. She was discount Steven. No one would give a shit about her if she wasn't a female.
You're just moronic and coping since Cynthia gigamogs any other champion and everyone in this fanbase knows it
>How do you top that?
by actually utilizing those concepts instead of having them in name only, as is the case with DPPt
>taking the Secret base and Contests from gen 3 and moving em forward
But the secret bases in Sinnoh are a downgrade from the ones in Hoenn, so are the contests unless you really really enjoy that “dressup” and rythm mini-game.
true, but next time you should include Emerald and HGSS (maybe even BW)
not much of a peak considering how strikingly similar they are to the previous entries
>If you're going to try this, you have to not be an ESL. Find a White friend to translate for you if you must.
You didn't need to share a representation of your reaction to that post, anon. Run along and find something to do in the favela.
>You didn't need to share a representation of your reaction to that post, anon. Run along and find something to do in the favela.
If you lack the VS Seeker or any suitable grinding replacements you are not better than any Sinnoh game.
If your gyms have 3 mons at most and your E4 has 4 mons at most you are not better than any Sinnoh game.
If your move tutor is postgame you are not better than Platinum.
If I can't get a pokemon with compoundeyes that can learn thief before postgame you are not better than Platinum.
If your Battle Tower lacks Gym and Villain team rematches your remake isn't even better than BDSP.
Pokemon peaked with Gen 4 in general. Not just the Sinnoh games.
>Pokemon peaked with Gen 4 in general. Not just the Sinnoh games.
True
anime as well
and side games
Correct. Gen 4 gave us HGSS, Mystery Dungeons Explorers of Time/Darkness and Sky, Rangers 1, Shadow's of Almia and Guardian Signs, The best rival in the ashnime in Paul, The best league prior to gen 6, and much more.
this alone mogs any of that
>crapken
>The game that people stopped playing after a weak.
lol
lmao even
I legit forget it exists sometimes.
>forget it exists sometimes.
you unironically like the ashnime, your tastes are diarrhea
>he thinks I like the ashnime.
No I think its shit and always has been shit. I'm just stating facts.
>HGSS
bad remakes of bad games
>Mystery Dungeons Explorers of Time/Darkness and Sky
If you've played one Mystery Dungeon you've played them all, already played the Gen 3 version
>Rangers 1, Shadow's of Almia and Guardian Signs
Mediocre shovelware titles designed to ruin your touchscreen
>The best rival in the ashnime in Paul
Just a shitty edgelord retread of Silver who was already lame as it is
>The best league prior to gen 6
Hoenn league mogs it
>and much more
cope
>bad remakes of bad games
opinion discarded
Perhaps the most unenviable part of defending Gen 4 is having to also defend the turd that is Johto.
>It's shit because...it just is, OKAY?!
quite the compelling argument you've got there
Johto has been thoroughly demolished on multiple platforms. It's not even a question anymore.
Who? By random YouTubers? Why should I care what they think?
>demolished on multiple platforms
>caring about social media tards at all
>bad remakes of bad games
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
>If you've played one Mystery Dungeon you've played them all, already played the Gen 3 version
as someone who LOVES Mystery Dunegon games as a whole especially Pokemon, the Gen 4 ones are overall better minus a few things that make me still go back to gen 3. Also you're wrong. Mystery Dungeon games all have their nuances.
>Mediocre shovelware titles designed to ruin your touchscreen
Skill issue
>Just a shitty edgelord retread of Silver who was already lame as it is
How was he a retread when Silver was a shitter that had to learn the power of friendship Paul was a commentary on comp players vs casual players. His brother was even a Breeder to drive the point home.
>Hoenn league mogs it
I was talking about the ashnime but since you bring it up, Hoenn's League is a joke dude. Gen 4s isn't peak either but it's definitely more memorable. Glacia is such a forgettable E4.
>cope
no u
also at least Gen 4 didn't have 1/3rd of its mechanics not even work.
>The mogging in question
Sinnohsisters... don't look...
He should have had another Rapidash and two Monferno instead.
The Hoenn League members you posted at least used pokemon from their gen. Flint had to use KANTOOOOOmons just to try and stay on theme. Why didn't he have a Magmortar right from the beginning? It's because the design was fricking idiotic. Shades of Johto with the awful team composition choices. Sinnoh and Johto being intertwined is a perfect shitshow.
Three of his five pokemon are gen 4. Or are you one of those autists that gets mad when they see a single gen 1 pokemon outside of kanto?
>The Hoenn League members you posted at least used pokemon from their gen
What is the obsession with only using new pokemon from a specific generation? Should old Pokemon only ever be seen in shit side games for the gamecube?
Don't you DARE shittalk best regions.
Flint's Team is WAY better than your boring as monomon teams that fold to one SE move spammed over and over.
And Al his mons are on theme as well. Blimps use hot air, Lopunny is hot and and Steelix is hardened from molten heat at near the earths core.
His team also has CREATE moveset coverage unlike Phoebe whose team kills itself for you and Glacia whose team is a joke.
Blimp can Baton pass DoubleTeams and spread burns while APE can EQ the shit out of you and hti waters with T punch and steal KOS with mach punch.
Lop has Mirror Coat for Surprise K.O.s. and Sunny day keeps the Water's at bay.
> Sinnoh and Johto being intertwined is a perfect shitshow.
Johto has the excuse of being designed before Game Freak knew how to handle new Pokémon and new generation. It also had to deal with tech limitations. Ana the overall power level of pokemkn was just lower back then. HGSS at least tried to fix most of that but Game Freak has always been afraid of being “unfaithful”.
Meanwhile Sinnoh doubles down on Johto’s flaws and then some, barren regional dex with only 150 Pokémon becauseKANTOOOOOOO did it, wild mons being mostly GenWun shitmons, several Sinnoh Pokémon locked to the post game, more worthless baby pokemon, the elite 4 using fricking Dustox and Beatifly, grunts with ducking wurmple, almost no Fire types, almost no ice types, MORE worthless baby pokemon, for frick sake even honey trees are just a far far worse version of headbutt trees.
>The Hoenn League members you posted at least used pokemon from their gen.
And?
Hoenn is shitmon central so that's more of a negative if anything.
>Hoenn is shitmon central
That's Johto. Meanwhile, Sinnoh is ugly crossgen evo central.
>That's Johto.
No, it's not. No one likes your SFMAs Hoenntroon.
>actually his good coverage of mons so you doesn't just die to SURF spam
Oh the horror. Clearly he should followed Gen 3s lead and have 2 monferno and 3 rapidash instead.
No one mentioned that Gen 4 had the longest cycle of any gen. So it's was ALOT of peoples first pokemon game. Basically they never played a good pokemon game which is why it's so worshiped around here. It would explain why Cynthia gave problems to those who tried to defeat her (despite the horrid dex). Personally when I first fought against her I completely swept her team with my Torterra. She's not a difficult champion at all.
>She's not a difficult champion at all.
She is compared to all other champions
That's not how that works at all. Sales show most people's first game was Gen 3.
Geh 4 was a lot of people's second or 3rd entry and that is a very good time for it to make a good impression on people because its designed to be an enhancement of everything that came before
>its designed to be an enhancement of everything that came before
and failed spectacularly. Thank Goodness for HGSS.
>and failed spectacularly
Explain
>thank goodness for a remake that didn't fix the core problems of the original game and alienated nostalgiahomosexuals with the things they did change
HG/SS was created for people who had never played a Johto game before. The people who grew up playing them now make video essays about why they're terrible games.
>who grew up playing them
Its gen z homosexuals who are shitting on those games
Gen Z grew up playing HG/SS. Millennials played the original G/S.
>Many Pokemon were useless until gen 4 since physical and special attacks were fixed to a type.
Yeah, and now many Pokemon became useless in Gen 4 because of the change. Alakazam got nerfed into the ground, Sceptile's signature move was now unusuable, Ampharos and Typhlosion lost important coverage... it wasn't all improvements across the board like proponents of the split like to pretend it was.
>Ttar sandstorm plus spikes set up mono[olized the meta.
As opposed to sneaky pebbles?
Hey, i'm not here to defend sneaky pebbles, but unlike SR, which was just a move, Sandstorm + spikes set up was a playstyle everyone had to play around because it dominated the format
>The people who grew up playing them now make video essays about why they're terrible games.
Yeah and they're homosexuals.
Being negative about pokemon is what gets clicks. I will always love HGSS, though I have the most fondest memories of the originals. I try to find something positive about every gen and there always is, but personally Gen 4 is my least favorite next to Gen 6. Gen 6 had a good dex imo but everything else was trash (minus the finale with AZ, I legit teared up the first time I played it)
Most overrated gen. Completely destroyed the lore.
>including diaper
DP sucked, thank god for Platinum existing and saving Sinnoh
There is no saving Sinnoh, much like Johto from the same console.
Kanto sucks Black person dick
Gen 4 was when they started handholding.
specifically Platinum where they had to add npcs that tell you which Mt. Coronet entrance to take
Tweaking > Braille
>copies Hoenn but makes it worse
Infernape is he best Starter ever. Flaming SunWukong > literal flaming wiener
The rest of these are reaches or complaining about gamefreak actually building on its previous concepts rather than ditching em.
>Which had good challenge
The challenge:
meant for
>cherrypicking.
In context it is challenging because of the mon availability.
>intentionally makes your Gen 4 designs worse
>didn't like Hoenn's water routes? Okay, we'll shorten it up for you
I disagree
How come this didn't happen with Hoenn?
>pretending it didn't
Everyone takes Manectric because Plusle and Minun suck.
Everyone used Taillow unless you waiting 5 evers for Swablu
etc etc
The only variety you really have is version exclusive Grassmon and water pokemon since you're drowning in watermons in Gen 3.
Your options for Firemons is Blaziken, Numel and Slugma
And Vulpix and Torkoal
>Everyone takes Manectric
>Everyone used Taillow
I didn't use either of these nor did I ever feel obligated to.
>etc etc
having to cope with "etc" after two incredibly shitty examples because you can't think of any more is hilarious
>uses the Emerald distribution for Gen 3 but only DP for Gen 4
>includes legendaries that are post game.
Dishonest cuck.
Most of the shit you listed is either way too late into the game for you to bother with or straight up post game.
No one waits til the end of the game to use Armaldo or Cradily. No one waits t use frickign trashsola or Relic**t.
Nosepass requires a stupid amount of backtracking that isn't worth even doing because its ass.
I could go on. The only person coping is you
The regis are available before beating the game. The only legendaries that are post game in Ruby/Sapphire are the eon twins and Rayquaza. You can catch Rayquaza before the E4 in Emerald meaning you’ll have a level 70 Pokemon to steamroll the league with.
The Regi trio alone takes a big steaming dump on Sinnoh. Three fricking blue Mews. We were supposed to get excited to catch those I guess.
sinnoh has the regis too in arguably better locations and has regigigas and gen 4 literally gives almost all the regis lore.
>Sinnoh rehashed some stuff from Hoenn
We know. The problem is the new things they tried all sucked. Six gorillion new legendaries and none were interesting.
? sinnoh legendaries are the most important in the entire series.
They're supposed to be important in lore but they all have shitty designs and are uninteresting, there's too many of them in a single region and it waters down the concept
>They're supposed to be important in lore but they [subjective], there's [autism based on no standard] and i[headcanon]
Where are the arguments?
>calling anyone else autistic while defending Sinnoh's legendary pokemon bloat
Not only are there way too many of them, they're laughably powerful in-lore compared to the rest, especially Arceus. It's like they were conceptualised by fricking Chris-chan, no subtlety involved. Once you've done God: the Pokemon, you either end the series on that note or continue churning out lesser legendaries knowing everyone else already checked out on giving a frick about them.
I know the average autist on /vp/ only plays Pokemon and knows nothing about any other videogame series, nor are they capable of thinking for themselves and questioning genwar memes which is why they think "legendary bloat" is a gamebreaking flaw, but God is not a big deal in JRPGs.
Sinnoh having too many lame legendaries has been discussed since the games were still new
https://forums.serebii.net/threads/worst-legendary-pokemon.319358/page-3
That does not refute the point.
It refutes your implication that it's a /vp/ thing or a genwar meme. This sentiment can be found all over the internet, since release, by people who play plenty of jrpgs. They were so lame and forgettable that Game Freak apparently forgot they already did a legendary with a lunar theme and made another.
>It refutes your implication that it's a /vp/ thing or a genwar meme
Pokemon fans are well known for not playing videogames besides Pokemon.
>They were so lame and forgettable that Game Freak apparently forgot they already did a legendary with a lunar theme and made another.
They serve completely different purposes. Lunala embodies the moon more, Cresselia only represents the lunar phase and has more to do with pleasant dreams to counter Darkrai's nightmares. All your arguments are surface level brainlet complaints.
>sinnoh has the regis too in arguably better locations
As long as you have a specific Regigigas that was only given out as an event. And let’s not talk about that horrible version of the regi theme in DPPt
Blaziken > Infernape
Infernape was a BOSS in the anime. Fire wiener's only claim to fame is by forced shill promotion by making Charizard job to make him look good.
was a BOSS in the anime.
>jobs until he throws a hissy fit because his og trainer abused him
Kek
I grew up with the old games, I loved them, but at this point it's just too weird going back to a pre-fairy time. I will play the shit out of the remakes though.
I agree with this. Sceptile is my bro.
To bad Torterra mogs it since Sceptile SUCKS to use in Hoenn.
RIGGED
CHADziken taking out the sinnoh trash.
What I can say is that Sinnoh discussion basically just involves waifuposting Dawn and Cynthia. Nobody really talks about the gameplay in Sinnoh-related threads. Hoenn and Unova threads are the most gameplay-focused.
That's because it's the only worthwhile thing to talk about with Sinnoh. I find it very telling that a lot of people's favorite Gen 4 games are spin-off games like PMD or Rangers rather than the mainline games.
>Unova
People always talk about stuff like the PWT and the way they broke series convention by making only Unova pokemon available. Black City vs White Forest, that kind of thing. There's nothing really new to talk about with Sinnoh since it just rides Hoenn's coattails. It was a rehash gameplay-wise.
>creates NotSilver
Why can't Sinnoh be original?
>NotSilver
????
How progressive
i mean its not entirely wrong. by abusing and enslaving pokemon its like youre using a gun. strength and intelligence matter little to nothing
Imagine creating these and you can't even use half of them in the main game.
Being a pokemon fan is crazy, you have to hate everything and consume it at the same time
Sinnoh has so many pointless legendaries. Like, wtf is this and why does it even exist?
I will never get over the fact that they thought three blue Mews that live in some lakes would make for a good trio. And what the frick was up with Manaphy? Why does it have a baby form that can't even fricking evolve? Cresselia is so forgettable that they created another Lunar-themed legendary a few gens later to be a box legendary.
This.
>Let's copypasted the same body but give them a different mask
>Now, let's make them the same type with the same bst
What were they thinking?
>why does it even exist
Hoenntroony, weren't you complaining about how important sinnoh legends are, now you are b***hing about a gen 1 style legendary that's just a rare pokemon?
Gen 1 legendaries still felt legendary even without the lore. I mean, can you really compare a pheonix to a turd frog?
She just likes to chill
Gen 4 is one of the worst generations right by sun and moon
>Gen 3 was better
Gen 5 was better
More like a valley.
Pokemon literally peaked in the first generation, no opinions, just facts.
Most people dropped Pokemon after pokemania then briefly come back during gen 4, and then most left immediately after (didn't even wait for platinum) and didn't care about Pokemon till the GOmania, and now currently don't care.
Now that I think about it, judging something purely by the numbers is definitely not the way to go, because you only get grifters with that method.
My personal favorite period was HGSS with the pokewalker and all the Zack and Cody commercials.
It just so happens that there are thousands of Cynthia-simps and Dawn-simps, two of the most overrated characters in the franchise, and these shitty simps would never say anything bad about Gen 4
does saying bdsp was a god awful joke of a remake count?
My first games.
I only knew Pokemon for the anime before that although I remember seeing a trailer for Ruby and Sapphire on the TV and remember seeing Pokemon Emerald in the store.
I read some Yugioh related magazine at that time and it had pictures of Dialga and Palkia on the last sites. I was interested, never seen these legendary Pokemon (because I only watched the anime an this not regularly) and then I searched for them on the net and found out about Diamond and Pearl and saw all the legendaries on the wiki. I didn't have Pokemon games before that but I got interested in owning such powerful Pokemon. That's why I decided to buy Pokemon Diamond. Before that I watched Maryland's playthrough of Pokemon Diamond a bit on youtube.