Pokemon Z was never planned

According to Masuda in an interview with Gamespot on October 14, 2014.

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, I'm sure they always meant to just dump the Zygarde forms into a sidequest in the following gen.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >we want to keep players on their toes and do the unexpected
    >announces ORAS at the peak of “Hoenn confirmed” meme and its JP equivalent
    >we want to tie everything together in interesting ways
    >doesn’t tie anything together at all
    I wish people would stop posting Masuda’s nothingburger PR responses as evidence of anything at Gamefreak.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      ’t tie anything together at all
      I'm sorry you didn't pay attention to the game.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        If a singular, optional line of dialogue in the postgame is “tying everything together” then you could honestly be the next shill when Joe kicks the bucket.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm sorry you didn't pay attention to the game.

          He's not lying, but he's being disingenuous.
          He said Z specifically, but we know for a fact it was going to be more dual releases like BW2 or USUM.

          >but we know for a fact [FANFIC]

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's literally data in Pokémon Bank for 2 more Kalos games. We've known this for years.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              There's literally data in Pokémon Bank for 6 more Colosseum games. We've known this for years.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Its ironic that your go to is to call others schizo when your posts are the most schizo like in every thread you post in.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                that's just how people like him operate everywhere
                they're being churned out from a template directly from twitter

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >If a singular, optional line of dialogue in the postgame is “tying everything together”
          Are we just going to ignore the whole infinity energy subplot with Sea Mauville? It explains so much of the mega origins teased in XY.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's not lying, but he's being disingenuous.
    He said Z specifically, but we know for a fact it was going to be more dual releases like BW2 or USUM.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      the 2020 nintendo leak had 2 unreleased pokemon games called CALOS_RESERVE_1 and CALOS_RESERVE_2 in between oras and usum

      That doesn't mean the games ever actually existed. Having placeholders is just basic good coding. Something Gamefreak does very rarely do at times. They probably put in a few extra slots early in development so they could decide what to do later.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    the 2020 nintendo leak had 2 unreleased pokemon games called CALOS_RESERVE_1 and CALOS_RESERVE_2 in between oras and usum

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      *oras and sm

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    someone post the code so we can laugh at the moron

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      pic

      [...]
      That doesn't mean the games ever actually existed. Having placeholders is just basic good coding. Something Gamefreak does very rarely do at times. They probably put in a few extra slots early in development so they could decide what to do later.

      moron

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        HOLY SHIT BROS THERE WERE GOING TO BE SIX COLOSSEUM SPIN-OFFS

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Read the post again. Creating a placeholder slot for something like this is a matter of minutes, if not seconds. Someone probably did it "just in case" months before any development would've started if they decided to make more Kalos games, so when they didn't there was no point deleting it.

          this is from the 3ds eshop, cumbrains

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            HOLY SHIT BROS THERE WERE GOING TO BE SIX COLOSSEUM SPIN-OFFS

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              you posted pokemon index values from bdsp as if that has anything to do with what you were responding to

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you posted thing that directly relates to what you were responding to as if that has anything to do with what you were responding to

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >they're both code so they're the same thing
                smartest kalosgay

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >they're both code that display the same thing so they display the same thing
                Yes.

                That's index data for a Pokemon's met location in BDSP, it has absolutely nothing to do with the 3DS eshop

                >That's index data for a Pokemon's met location in BDSP,
                You're a fricking moron.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>You're a fricking moron.
                >posts that it is, in fact, index data for a pokemon's met location in BDSP
                he's not shitposting bros

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                >BDSP somehow has index data for Scarlet and Violet
                AHAHAHAHA you really are a complete moron

                this is the type of person who thinks there was supposed to be a Z version folks

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                the region you posted

                HOLY SHIT BROS THERE WERE GOING TO BE SIX COLOSSEUM SPIN-OFFS

                is identical in every pokemon game you moron

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                yes the six colosseum spin offs they planned is identical in every pokemon game

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                What? What does how the Pokemon developers curate individual Pokemon files have to do with game IDs that Nintendo developers put on the eShop?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why the frick do you keep going on about the eshop when literally nothing in this thread has anything to do with the eshop?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          where is this from

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's index data for a Pokemon's met location in BDSP, it has absolutely nothing to do with the 3DS eshop

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Read the post again. Creating a placeholder slot for something like this is a matter of minutes, if not seconds. Someone probably did it "just in case" months before any development would've started if they decided to make more Kalos games, so when they didn't there was no point deleting it.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        tbh the closest reading of OP's interview is just that "we didn't plan on doing a direct sequel right after X/Y", which lines up with them putting the enums after ORAS (instead of before)

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >so we're always just trying to surprise people
    yeah, but in a bad way. we already know.

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kalosperm are mindbroken by this. Knowing their shit game couldve been salvaged is just too much

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it's a shit game but I can't actually explain how it's a shit game

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Absolutely rabbid behavior. Xygotes cannot help themselves but to cry about Unova while not being able to defend their first pokemon game.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm glad we agree BW2 and XY are incomplete.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Im glad we agree Kalos gays cannot defend their own generation without pissing and shitting themselves about "muh unovamutts!"

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              it's the same shitposter, the only reason he picked XY is because no one likes it

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop responding to the idiot posting about Colosseum

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Stop responding to the idiot posting about Colosseum
      >proceeds to post the identical proof that there's six unplanned colosseum spin offs

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's especially funny because the metdata that they copypasted into every subsequent title originated in XY

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >originated in XY
        >posts image that shows it originated in RS
        What did schizo-kun mean by this

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    PR garbage, try again

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe Zygarde was going to be a DLC as happened with ORAS and Episode Delta. That's the most reasonable thought.

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    They did make provisions for a Gen 6 sequel though. They were clearly aiming for another Gen 5 with XY, further proving just how rushed and unfinished those games were...

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      True. BW2 and XY really were rushed.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bw2 is still better than xy lol

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          How do I plant berries or customize my trainer or use pokeradar or use old/good rod in BW2?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why should anyone care? BW2 has more battle facilities and is genuinely better. Go play animal crossing if you want to cross dress.

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >wh-why should anyone care about my supposedly better game not being better?
              ebin

              >BW2 has more battle facilities
              doesn't matter if it has more battle facilities if they're all shittier.

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                Being a cross dressing berry farmer doesnt make XY a better game. Maybe for (you), but not anyone with a functioning brain with no mental illness

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >we realized if we kept releasing definitive editions, then people would stop buying the game twice

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    An obvious lie

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would Masuda confirm upcoming games in an interview instead of an offical press release.
    >The datamined game ID list has two empty spots between ORAS and SM
    >2015 was the first year without a mainline game since 2011, and we haven't missed a year since if you count DLC releases.
    >Zygarde was weirdly shoved into SM despite the anime only using it in the Kalos arc
    >AZ's Floette never used
    But clearly this was the plan the whole time.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>The datamined game ID list has two empty spots
      read the thread

      was weirdly shoved into SM
      nothing weird about it

      >>AZ's Floette never used
      it's used in the story moron

      >But clearly this was the plan
      correct

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >nothing weird about it
        completely fricking disengenuous, you absolutely do not believe that. it was weird as frick and you know it.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >completely fricking disengenuous
          Do you think it's weird that Regigigas is in Platinum?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >i got called disengenuous? i better say something even more disengenuous, surely this will make me look smart!

            • 6 months ago
              Anonymous

              >maybe if I keep saying "disingenuous" I'll have an argument!
              zzz

              Regigigas is a new Pokemon
              Do you have brain damage?

              Zygarde-Complete is a new forme
              Do you have brain damage?

              • 6 months ago
                Anonymous

                not even worth a (you), if you want an argument argue in good faith.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Regigigas is a new Pokemon
            Do you have brain damage?

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ah yes, the model that shows up for one cutscene definitely needed it's own stats and signature move, and the gen6 legendary living in it's own cave somewhere definitely had significance in another region on the opposite side of the world.
    Bait harder, OP.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ah yes, the model that shows up for one cutscene definitely needed it's own stats and signature move
      If they originally planned on having AZ battle with it before changing their mind, yes.

      >and the gen6 legendary living in it's own cave somewhere definitely had significance in another region
      Correct.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If they originally planned on having AZ battle with it before changing their mind, yes.
        Very interesting that they actually chose to update the visuals on that signature move in Gen 7, despite there being no legitimate way to call upon that move, even through Metronome.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Also interesting how there IS an AZ battle at the end of the game, but before he gets Floette back. Clearly they scrapped only the rematch fight, right? Or maybe he would show up in the ORAS battle facility, or some other copium.

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It's completely nonsense to expect a new form of a legendary to be obtainable in that generation! They only introduce new forms in new generations!
    >DONT LOOK AT KYUREM DONT LOOK AT KYUREM DONT LOOK AT KYUREM

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Rotom appliances
      >Origin form Giratina
      >Kyurem Black / Kyurem White
      >Dusk Mane / Dawn Wings Necrozma

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        all of those were released in the same gen, are you going to say enhanced versions are not same gen now?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's the fricking point, ESL.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            all of those were released in the same gen, are you going to say enhanced versions are not same gen now?

            enhanced versions are not fully compatible with the original releases so they are not any different from another gen game, zygarde forms wouldn't be available in ORAS or XY either

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’m sorry which gen do I find ? and ! Unown in again?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Congrats on finding the one example to fit your point and ignoring everything else.
        >Man, everything sure does fit my world view when I don't listen to anything else! I must be a genius!

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >accuses me of not listening to anything else while he continues not listening to anything else
          KEK

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