>Pokémon remakes a game faithfully
>Everyone hates it
>Mario remakes a game faithfully
>Everyone loves it
What did we do wrong, pokebros?
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>Pokmon remakes a game faithfully. >Everyone hates it. >Mario remakes a game faithfully. >Everyone loves it
pokemon is boring shit, turn based is outdated shit
Mario RPG is Turn-based you stupid Black person
Horrendous bait, Platinum is one of the best games in the entire franchise, let alone the DS era
Where the frick are all you contrarian trannies coming from?
Platinum still has all the problems DP have. Nostalgia aside b2w2 is the best game
Platinum has significantly better Dex, and this also better trainer teams. The save time was also cut down significantly. What the hell are you on?
>significantly better Dex, and this also better trainer teams
>save time was also cut down significantly
this is also true for BDSP. In fact BDSP has better team than Platinum.
BDSP has great movesets and hold items, the likes of which you will never see in a nuGF game, but are still restricted by the extremely limited Dex of DP.
fpbp
People realised DPPt are dogshit base games and BDSP didn't do anything to fix them.
Platinum already fixed them, but then they backtracked on those
>known for producing remakes
>makes a remaster with forced easy mode options instead
>an already superior version already exists
>other games in the series still get pushed out so you can't claim it's at least a unique experience
>artstyle is shit
vs
>game is expected to get put on NSO best case scenario
>remake gets announced
>still the possibility of new stuff being added
>artstyle is ok
>good traditional Mario RPGs are all but gone at this point with the M&L guys going bankrupt and Paper Mario moving away from it
BDSP did more for DP than HGSS did for GSC, one of HGSS's biggest improvements was just copying and pasting from Platinum actually.
There's critique and there's just straight up lying. Anything is greater than a negative. The only one you could possibly claim is a worse remake is USUM
HGSS's biggest improvement was the touch screen menu and I curse BW for immediately removing it
The needed to have space for a niche feature, anon. I think it was a brilliant move to have wi-fi features on the ready just in case.
the c gear is actually awful, i think of the 3/ds handheld games the only worse bottom screen is the rotom dex
BDSP's following Pokemon dialogue is copypasted from HGSS. My favorite part is that Johto starters get unique dialogue in BDSP but the Sinnoh starters do not
Another one I like is that Palmer's BDSP dialogue is copypasted from HGSS, since he talks about the player's father in DPP
I just looked it up and Palmer's BDSP dialogue clearly comes from DPPT and not HGSS, don't know where you're getting that from.
the actual dialogue before and after you battle him, not when you meet him outside the battle tower
> BDSP's following Pokemon dialogue is copypasted from HGSS. My favorite part is that Johto starters get unique dialogue in BDSP but the Sinnoh starters do not
The frick? For real?
but Platinum is the best pokemon game
HGSS is just Platinum copied into Johto
>HGSS is just Platinum copied into Johto
... thus making it the far better game.
no, Sinnoh is better than Johto
Platinum npc teams are also better than HGSS ones, thats been proven many times over
and the Kanto portion of Johto always felt like a tacked-on chore
remove Pt because BDSP didnt implement anything platinum created
It implemented better teams and QoL than Platinum
While still retaining the expanded dex and faster game engine
>"retaining the expanded dex"
it doesnt have the national dex
>better teams
gym leaders still used their DP teams, despite the "expanded dex"
this point has merit if you say BDSP is an improvement to DP, but its objectively inferior to platinum. The "remakes" fail to incorporate anything platinum added or fixed
>the expanded Dex
The way to underground is implemented is horrendous, it’s nowhere near the same as integrating the expanded Dex naturally into the routes the way Pt did.
Correct, Platinum zooms seething at the truth.
Why would they block the face if it's what makes the picture 10 times funnier?
I'm all for shitty remakes if it means more Legends games.
The remakes would have been good if they actually had platinum content in them. The base Gen 4 games are shit and it was a mistake to focus on only DP
Profoundly reddit take.
BDSP looks ugly
Mario games are actually good so they don't need much improvements.
>pokemon remakes a shit game
>everyone hates it
>mario remakes a good game
>everyone loves it
simple as
this, people says old games are good is just cope lol they always were mediocre
Gens 1 and 2 were good.
Mario RPG is a very mediocre game carried solely by Smash and Genohomosexualry. It's getting memory holed the second it releases because, and I repeat, people only care about it because of Smash and Genohomosexualry.
>t. zoomer who wasn't even born when Super Mario RPG discussions took over early 2000's internet forums and early youtube
Yeah that's the kind of response I was expecting Genohomosexual.
The worst part is that this actually bumps up Geno's chances to get into Smash.
It's not as huge as Genogays think it is, but it still does bump up his chances.
>this actually bumps up Geno's chances to get into Smash
No it doesn't, by the next smash bros game announcement, the remake would have already been out for years
just fricking look at it
it's abominable
it's hyper kawaii
why is clefairy bigger than dawn
>freakish five fingered hand on a chibi
What the frick were they thinking
I unironically see nothing wrong with that.
Looks very cute to me
it looks fricking great and i love seeing all you homosexuals seethe. pokemon moving to full 3D models was a mistake but a return to sprite aesthetics through chibi is objectively the correct path.
>return to sprite aesthetics through chibi is objectively the correct path.
I agree but not in the BDSP style. The gen 6 style is far more aesthetically pleasing. There's also no excuse for not updating the overall look of Sinnoh, character designs etc like with previous remakes.
>>Pokémon remakes a game faithfully
The game never looked like this.
my pokemon ranch
Copy&Paste =/= Faithful Remake
BDSP was a “remake” that for the most part just copy&pasted the code from DP (I do mean literally. Most of the code in BDSP is code from the DS games). It also made plenty of changes, mostly negative ones, to the games they are based on. No GTS, TMs are numbered instead of named, decorating your base is now just for le encounters instead of having a cool base, and if you don’t update the game you can’t access the postgame and the music is Midi.
The new SMRPG is faithful because it recreates the game without literally copy&pasting things.
Also ones a(n unfinished) remake of a handheld game and the other is a remake of a console game, but are still both $60.
>No GTS
wait what
Dont the normal modern games still have that? Or something basically identical.
>if you don’t update the game you can’t access the postgame
wait WHAT
Pokemon has not Made a good Game since hgss unlike Mario it has good spinnoffs, pokemon spinnoffs are flop are not fun
post the worm size rayquaza and you will understand
This remake looks fricking awful, and I say this as a huge fan of SMRPG.
BDSP was complete dog shit, they deserve all the shit gettign flung at them
Mario always was good, pokemon always was shit, simple
SMRPGgays have no standards
i heckin LOVED when bdsp gave me a gligar in the underground but kept the razor fang in postgame
>one remake looks like a cheap mobile game and has very little to offer that you can't get from a bogstandard platinum romhack
>the other remake actually looks and feels like a modern recreation of an old game without sacrificing the charm and style of the original
Maybe my eyes don't fricking work or something, but the SMRPG remake looks fricking hideous to me.
it's literally the exact same style almost 1-to-1 upscaled and made into 3D, since the original game's sprites were already either rendered models or sprited to resemble a 3D look
unless you think the original is ugly too, I don't know how you could think the remake looks bad
Absolutely not. The character models are just the modern designs squashed into a chibi shape, instead of being stylistically designed from scratch.
you say that like the original designs weren't just the regular character designs squashed into a chibi shape
the only ones in the trailer that look like any sort of proper departure from the original game's design philosophy are the yoshi
I'm not interesting in continuing this argument. It's literally just going to be "They look different." "They look the same." ad nauseam.
don't start an argument if you're just going to give up the second anyone makes any point against you
even if I were to agree with the main mario characters being completely different designs in the remake, they only make up only a small portion of the game's designs, and the rest of the characters actually are pretty clearly faithful
"I don't agree with you" isn't a point. I went through this shit when they remade Link's Awakening, and I have little interest in going through it again.
>Chibishit artstyle that goes against what Diamond and Pearl were representing
>Hugely watering down mechanics like secret bases, contests, and even poffin making
>Not incorporating any thematic elements from the third version like HGSS and ORAS did, which is especially jarring considering that DP were one of the most rushed and unpolished games prior to XY
>They shoehorned in Kanto pandering via the fricking bike color choices because ???
BDSP were not faithful. To say they were is a disservice to everything that DP did for the series.
>>They shoehorned in Kanto pandering via the fricking bike color choices because ???
t. never played Ruby/Sapphire
Nothing. It's GF that set the standard.
HG/SS weren't even faithful remakes, for better or worse.
SMRPG is a good game, DP is a bad game, not complicated.
>wojakposter
>is a moron
like clockwork
only one of these added that shit in where it wasn't present originally, you disingenuous fricking moron.
ntg but remakes SHOULD add things
otherwise why the frick would I want to play them
remakes adding things is good
remakes adding things that completely frick up the original experience while also removing other things from the original game is not good
I misinterpreted your reply then
Unovortions are delusional
>has no postgame
The best thing is when people pretend that BDSP doesn't have the best Battle Tower ever. Then you got uppity ORASgays who try to use BDSP to look better when BDSP has better gameplay. BDSP was a test, and /vp/ failed.
>The best thing is when people pretend that BDSP doesn't have the best Battle Tower ever.
The "smart" AI switches out of advantageous matchups if you use a move that a mon in the back resists, which you can just look up because each trainer has predetermined teams. Not to mention that it's completely lacking Multi and WiFi battles (despite the copypasted NPCs who still talk about Battle Tower Multis).
DP's was better.
>"the copypasted battle facility that we're had for 20 years was slightly tweaked, that means the game is AMAZING and not a lazy shovelware remake"
>>"the copypasted battle facility that we're had for 20 years was slightly tweaked, that means the game is AMAZING
Correct. They made the actually difficult content much better.
you have impressively low standards if you think that a couple of marginal improvements to a single battle facility is worth 60 dollars
>The best thing is when people pretend that BDSP doesn't have the best Battle Tower ever. Then you got uppity ORASgays who try to use BDSP to look better when BDSP has better gameplay. BDSP was a test, and /vp/ failed.
this
the ONLY major flaw BDSP has is the forced amie buffs at high friendship level
Aside from that its a solid af game.
The NPC teams in BDSP mog anything else in the series.
The fact that it has no HMs and has other QoL already makes it preferable to Platinum in some ways
>Super mario RPG
>Postgame
>Forced exp share
Do you pokegays even know how other RPGs even are?
apples to oranges, dear wojak schizo
well yes Mariotendies are moronic
>faithfully
>no GTS
>battle tower
>no johto compatibility
>no GBA compatibility
>no Wii communication and compatibility
>not 493 pokémon programmed in the game
>glitched shitfest
>bug shitfest
>60 usd instead of 30 USD
"faithful" my ass.
KYS, stupid shill.
>johto compatibility
?
The key difference here is that SMRPG wasn't part of a series of games where there was a clear precedent set that remakes used the same graphical style as the current gen game of the time. The main drive behind the remakes being made and people wanting them was that people can re-experience an older game updated to current gen standards, literally no one ever asked for the aesthetic to be recreated completely faithfully
And no, PLA doesn't somehow make up for BDSP being the way it is
>clear precedent set
>after ORAS
Black person, the franchise has NEVER been consistent in any way, shape or form and delusional morons like you will drool over any pattern your monkey brains happens to piece together with its 2 working brain cells. every single game post gen4 introduces unique mechanics that don't return in the next gen and you homosexuals will STILL cry about "features being left out". you're not entitled to any form of consistency, especially not graphic style.
>people wanting them was that people can re-experience an older game updated to current gen standards
ah yes, like the graphical marvels that were sw/sh and legends? on the console that's at least a decade behind the competition hardware-wise? people have consistently shat on every new pokemon game since gen 5 and with good reason. the standards of new games peaked in gen 4 and have been steadily dropping. no matter what they put out it would've gotten hate. i'm just glad they at least had the balls to choose an aesthetic and stick to it rather than suck papa gamefreaks wiener like you fricking drones expected.
Weird ass post. Pokémon has been one of the most consistent, predictable and stagnant game series until the Switch. For better or worse.
Pokemon has been a canvas on which imaginative adventures are expressed, by constraining it to an art style, it doesn't live up to fan expectations per
There is no "new adventure" as fans expect without the player's internal storytelling, and if the art style gets in the way of that immersion, the flaws of the original game design are much more apparent
sugimore style is fricking dogshit in current year always was bad
It's funny that you're trying to pretty it up but all your argument boils down to is "Pokemon fans are autistic"
>Genogays are discord raiders
Of course they are
>faithful remake
>with shittier secret bases
I could have forgiven a lot, but secret base stuff was a big reason I bought that game, and it was gutted.
Personally I would have kept some pixels and jags. They look too clean/sterile/boring now.
>Everyone hates it
Discord trannies, groomer critics and predditors don't count
>They didn't censor the big boob boss lady
>They actually uncensored her by giving her a real margarita
FRICKING BASED
Mario and Peach's proportions look moronic and actually invokes everything that went wrong with BDSP's artstyle. I saw the trailer and all the text boxes/battle menus look like they came out of RPG maker. This also seems to be a 1:1 remake with no new added content and they're going to end up charging $69.99 for it.
>Pokémon remakes a game faithfully
Never happened, BDSP are a literal downgrade compared to DPPt.
and yes I also mean it for DP by themselves
simple answer
pokemon fans hate everything
while Mario and Zelda fans will eat even more shit then pokemon fans
People have been demanding a Mario RPG rerelease for years. It's worth it because a real copy of the game costs a lot of money last I checked, and that was before the price on retro games went up.
>forced exp share
>removed hms
>faithful
>removing HMs is bad
>faithful
Faithfully updated, yes
>here summon a random wild Pokémon that will do this thing for you bro
Nothing about this is faithful to the original.
Mario RPG doesn't need an updated presentation.
Pokemon's presentation in its old games was never great.
This, I can't think of a pokemon game that looks good compared to its contemporaries
One has actual effort and production values the other was made as cheap and fast as can be to fill a quota
DP were already subpar games and it took Platinum to fix them. They chose to remake the inferior versions with only a smatter of new features, excluding a ton of QoL improvements ftom Pt and all content from subsequent gens.
And that's without even considering the fact the style they chose is atrocious, looks lazy and makes following mons look ridicolous.
Pokemon fans dont like pokemon, but also Mario RPG is better than any pokemon game
SMRPG still holds up to this day. Pokemon has evolved its mechanics and roster to be much better than what it was 20 years ago.
Pokemon is the same shit Game from 1996 it's stale and people already tired of it, Mario rpg was 30 years ago
This, Mario has diferent spin offs and they loved and fun unlike pokemon spins off they are not that popular and they are boring Mario always Will be superior
How would you regenerate the franchise
stop the yearly releases, make more spin offs
Literally D/P remake is the only stinker.
FRLG, HGSS, and ORAS were all pretty good. It's just that Gen 4 didn't deserve any budget with that pathetic dex.
frlg and oras are total garbage
HGSS > BDSP > rest
Kek, to call you a contrarian would be an insult to contrarians. It's shit taste, plain and simple.
FRLG is the original with more content, its only shortcoming is the maps being more boring looking
ORAS has more blatant issues than the previous two remakes, but you can at least make a case for it being a more valuable game than emerald even if you completely ignore the extra three gens worth of obtainable pokemon
meanwhile BDSP has barely anything going for it over even platinum
>FRLG is the original with more content
FRLG is the original game with annoying evolution restrictions making pokemon like golbat unusable, the blandest looking Kanto, and the Sevii Islands which have absolutely nothing worthwhile. It is absolutely the most overrated area in the whole series.
>ORAS has more blatant issues than the previous two remakes
ORAS is a game more focused on shoving in pointless gimmicks like a slower version of Flying than actually improving Hoenn.
>meanwhile BDSP has barely anything going for it over even platinum
A faster engine, streamlined HMs, better distribution especially in the postgame, a really good Battle Tower to make up for not having the Frontier instead of copying and pasting the Maison? Fixing actual issues people had with DP? Not that I expect the average /vp/ user to play Pokemon games at this point.
>A faster engine
which platinum also did
>streamlined HMs
you get one point
>better distribution especially in the postgame
which platinum also did
>a really good Battle Tower to make up for not having the Frontier instead of copying and pasting the Maison?
which platinum didn't have to do because it had the frontier
>Fixing actual issues people had with DP?
which platinum also did, and without butchering multiple features in the process
>Not that I expect the average /vp/ user to play Pokemon games at this point.
why would I play an uglier, more expensive version of sinnoh when I can just play platinum instead? if the better teams are supposed to be that huge of a boon I can just play a romhack of it and get a better experience
>which platinum also did
Not nearly as fast as BDSP.
>which platinum also did
Not as well, more pokemon are available earlier and are easier to obtain in the Underground.
>which platinum didn't have to do because it had the frontier
So Platinum doesn't have to improve the Tower if it just makes other Towers with a gimmick. Yup that's the classic /vp/ mindset.
>without butchering multiple features in the process
Which are?
>why would I play an uglier, more expensive version of sinnoh when I can just play platinum instead?
BDSP can be played for free, and it has romhacks too.
>Not as well, more pokemon are available earlier and are easier to obtain in the Underground.
>So Platinum doesn't have to improve the Tower if it just makes other Towers with a gimmick.
Correct, I'd rather have a variety of things to do than have one thing be marginally better than the past 20 times it was included in something
This looks lame as hell, too. Remakes are a plague on this industry.
mario rpg looks great and so do bd/sp. the only unfaithful remake was oras and that remake sucked fricking ass. literally drained all the soul from those games and i would play the originals over the remakes any day, unlike bd/sp.
Legend of the Seven Stars is getting a remake? Kick ass, I loved that game.
frlg and hgss have major gameplay changes from rb and gs that constituted a remake, plus they added a lot of new content
ever since "the battle frontier project has started" in oras, pokemon remakes are now about what features from the old games are omitted instead of the new things they added
Super Mario RPG didn't have a superior version that people would expect the remake to take cues from.
Absence also makes the heart grow fonder. BDSP is still derivative of the traditional Pokemon gameplay. Paper Mario moved away from being an RPG into a weird Adventure game with turn-based battles while the last (in both ways you can think of) Mario & Luigi was released back in 2018/2019, and that was a remake that nobody played. The last original M&L game was Paper Jam back in 2015, but people didn't like how bland it came off as, so for them the last was Dream Team which was 10 years ago, good lord.
All that to say that not only has a Super Mario RPG remake always been a crapshoot, but it's filling a niche that no longer really exists in the series.
>Paper Mario hard diverging from RPG mechanics timed almost perfectly to Alphadream dying
Really cruel joke from Nintendo and IntSys.
nah they diverged long before AlphaDream died
Pokemon Dark Black and Bright White, developed by ILCA (2024)
Just by removing the GTS and taking months to patch in the game a shit version of wonder trade when the game was already fricking dead makes BDSP the worst remake of them all
This is what Dawn was designed to look like. BDSP does not look like this.
? You aight schizo?
show me that dawn doing that you do in the game for 70% of the game
BDSP Dawn looks exactly like that
and chibi Dawn is also very cute
This is what SMRPG Mario was designed to look like. The SMRPG remake looks like this.
They best not frick up the music.
You hear that percussion? That's where the funk lives. If the people remaking this game are at all competent that needs to survive the update.
Also trade our Mallow for this Mallow. She's got curves like a cloud and she'd make a great tadpole. Probably less lightning though but that's a sacrifice we're willing to make.
No replacing white characters with brown ones. But she can replace Bowser instead. Give her some spiked wristbands and horns and I doubt even Kamek would notice the difference.
the original composer is back, so it should be fine.
Ah, nice. If they got Shimomura back on board I'm sure it'll be fine.
Good point. Better to keep the tadpole...cupcake...whatever he is.
SMRPG remake looks like what the original was meant to look like. BDSP looks like a Chinese iOS game wearing the skin of Diamond and Pearl.
the diamond and pearl remakes can't even calculate right.
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/20211126-6610/
This shit is new forced meme of the week, it will be forgotten when it comes out like everything.
>wake up
>BDSP thread
FRICK BDSP