Post Pokmon, moves, abilities, whatever that got unfairly nerfed for no good reason.

Post Pokémon, moves, abilities, whatever that got unfairly nerfed for no good reason.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I miss tankoflame

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Gen 6
      Who gave a shit about Megas when half the new abilities turned mons from okay to busted w/o a mega stone

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    50 power was just gamebreaking.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have a little issue with Tackle nerf but it's part of a bigger issue with how starters and early game have been handled starting in Gen 5 (but not in Gen 6, probably because the negative initial reception of Gen 5) and going on the later generations.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter because you'd only ever use it until your starter got STAB, but it's such a baffling thing to nerf.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Overall yeah but in certain challenge runs that restrict the use of TMs it might matter. Lillipup in Gen 5 for example hits like a truck using Tackle and neither the starters or any other early route mon will be able to outpace it when it comes to damage until 10's.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            The dog also gets Return later, which is better than everything the starters can do, and Crunch in case of ghosts.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    why did they take belly drum from my boy

    its not even like he was that OP with it before

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      im mad, also Komala with Last Resort/sleep talk

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Sword and Shield Pokemon
    >Nerfed in Sword and Shield
    >First pokemon directly nerfed through stats since gen 2
    >Signaute move also nerfed
    >Not even a legendary
    >Nerfed in the same generation that monsters like Zacian, G-Darmanitan, Dracovish, Calyrex were introduced
    >Didn't even perform well in dynamax metas

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good, frick objectmons.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        how assmad do you have to be to make that pic

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gengar losing levitate.
      I understand it was because it made mega Gengar a terrorist, but that isn't in the game anymore so there's no excuse.

      why'd they have to do it to 'em

      Because people whined about them being broken

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        and yet they leave incelneroar

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      pokemon directly nerfed through stats since gen 2
      Wait for real? I missed that. What was the change?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        -10 in both defenses in its shield forme and -10 in both offenses in its sword forme

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh so really hardly anything at all.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Effectively 40 BST is a lot

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP specified "unfairly nerfed for no good reason"

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Megamence causing a blanket nerf for aerilate, pixilate and refrigerate, and now that megas are gone there's only shitmons left in an even worse state.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      any ability that boosts the power of attacking moves should be nerfed
      this was a good change

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Rock Polish being taken away from Aurorus in gen 8.

    It's not like a Pokemon with 58 Speed spending a turn for +2 in Speed in a game infested with Steel and Fighting-type moves out the ass would be OP.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gengar losing levitate.
    I understand it was because it made mega Gengar a terrorist, but that isn't in the game anymore so there's no excuse.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >protean/libero
    >being able to be whatever of 14 types you like
    >guaranteed STAB
    i don't think it's an unfair nerf at all actually considering the pokemon who had it

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >don't think it's an unfair nerf at all actually considering the pokemon who had it

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kecleon did not deserve a nerf.
        Whiffing fake out to dodge ghost moves was also hilarious and I'm sad it's gone.

        He isn't even in SV.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Doesn't matter.

          What does is that Kecleon will have Protean nerfed thanks to Greninja.

          Weaker Pokemon being nerfed because of strong Pokemon is bullshit.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kecleon did not deserve a nerf.
      Whiffing fake out to dodge ghost moves was also hilarious and I'm sad it's gone.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >don't think it's an unfair nerf at all actually considering the pokemon who had it

        Kecleon didn't deserve a nerf sure but no one thinks of Kecleon as a premier Protean user when Greninja and Cinderace, and now Meowscarada exist with >115 speed stats
        Speaking of Kecleon though I'm actually surprised they didn't give it Mimicry as a secondary

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and I guarantee it only happened because of terastalization.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Submission was already a piece of shit move
    >it got a PP nerf

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nerfing what doesn't need to be nerfed is what Game Freak does best.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    why'd they have to do it to 'em

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because frick you he has legs, stop cheatin Billy!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gengar losing levitate.
      I understand it was because it made mega Gengar a terrorist, but that isn't in the game anymore so there's no excuse.

      100% justified
      pokemon with 100+ on both attack/special and speed need to be nerfed

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        thoughts on pyroar? needs a nerf?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ban him

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because they know Haunter is superior

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Taking Mystical Fire from Sylveon.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mystical Fire is interesting in how it started as a starter signature move and it became one of most used and important fire moves from the series. Maybe Sylveon will recover it once the DLC comes.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mystical Fire should stay reserved for fire types and psychic types.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They have a lot of reason to nerf Protean though

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure there has to be a better way to nerf Scald than taking it away from almost everyone. I thought the concept of that move was cool

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The concept of the move was stupid. It inflicts a potentially crippling status where the only type immune to said status is weak to the move itself. Let alone water being a great defensive type already.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Taking away Scald from most pokemon is justified because logically, not all pokemon have the ability to heat water to boiling point in their body in the first place. Giving Scald to most water types were the actual weird move and I'm sure they regretted doing it enough to backtrack a few gens later.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Scald should have remained on select mons.
      >Gyarados/Milotic/Dragonair/Lapras (water dragons)
      >Vaporeon (they hit it hard with the nerf)
      >Octillery
      >Torkoal (hotsprings)
      >Tepig line (let it have at least something decent)

      Umbreon loosing Toxic and Payback because someone at GF wants it to be a special attacker is dogshiet.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >special attacker
        The only move you should be using is foul play tho?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Curse sets, people love them so they want payback for synergy with being slow

          It doesn't matter if it's bad, they want their eevee to be good at attacking, even if it's umbreon

          Hell this is true for no moves Jolteon, at least Leafeon and Flareon got a bit better with age

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            All Eevees need their movepools updated.

            >Eevee and all its evolutions
            Wish, Healbell, Light Screen/Reflect/Cosmic power/Crunch
            >Flareon
            Flame charge, Cotton guard, Fire lash, Morning sun.
            >Vaporeon
            Scald, Chilly reception, Sludge wave
            >Jolteon
            Energy ball, Spiky shield
            >Espeon
            Mystical fire
            >Umbreon
            Payback, Pooson fang, Poison tail, Gunk shot, Hone claws
            >Leafeon
            Night slash, Aqua cutter, Focus energy
            >Glaceon
            Aurora veil, Frostbreath

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Don't forget toxic, that move made or break some eevee sets, jolteon lost signal beam and toxic making him a sitting duck on a lot of stuff, Vaporeon and Umbreon lost utility without it too

              The idea of vaporeon saying shitty jokes is hilarious but I find it dumb that the move isn't learn by ice typed, and not even glaceon was suggested as a recipient here

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Just give them Veevee strike that has effects from Lets go eevee.
              Not only that would make EVERY Eeveelution viable it would make them.more unique.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >t. closet tepig enjoyer

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Umbreon loosing Toxic and Payback because someone at GF wants it to be a special attacker is dogshiet.
        Because they decided Eevee was the secondary mascot so now it has to be braindead easy to use. Some dumb kid isn't going to realize that Umbreon was built to be support/defense, they're going to just spam attacking moves and then be mad their precious Eevee evolved into "the cool dark type" but can't do jack shit. Surprised they didn't just copy Espeon's stats onto Umbreon at this point to be honest. Says a lot about what kids were capable of 20+ years ago tho to recognize what was a defensive vs an offensive mon

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Just allow Umbreon to learn toxic while evolving.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are many ways to nerf it. Decrease its power, lower the chance for burn to 20%, buff Chilling Water's damage to 80, or hell actually fricking commit to how statuses worked in Legends Arceus. It's so crazy how they do the worst of both worlds approach and then say "oops, we're bringing it back!" so the whole problem is left untouched. Scald needed a nerf, and they botched it then said "nvm lol"

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Litteraly give mon Icebeam OR Scald.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fire moves dont even have a 30% burn chance with 100 accuracy

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lava Plume does, but Lava Plume had really poor distribution when Scald was added and given to every water-type.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    * Gale Wings
    * Mimikyu's Disguise
    * Protean
    * Aegislash's stats and King's Shield

    But then they introduce these BUSTED Pokemon:
    * Dracovish
    * Darmanitan-G
    * Calyrex
    * Zacian
    * Regieleki
    * Miraidon
    * Flutter Mane

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Gale Wings
      Because no shillmon have it
      >Disguise
      They don't want Mimikyu fo replace Pikachu
      >Protean
      They don't want GreBlack person to outshine CHARIZARD
      >Aegislash
      Not a shillmon
      >Dracovish
      Honorary shillmon because of TrAshnime
      >Darmanitan
      Overlooked
      >Calyrex
      He is King Arthur
      >Zacian
      He is the King Arthur's Excalibur
      >Regieleki
      He is Regigigas' favorite bastard son
      >Miraidon
      Agias
      >Flutter Mane
      MLP

      Where's Landorus At Home posterboy, moron? If you want to talk about busted pokemon, Great Tusk is a must.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mimikyu's Disguise

      Sash Mimikyu was idiot, that's why.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >* Gale Wings
      >* Mimikyu's Disguise
      >* Protean
      >* Aegislash's stats and King's Shield
      all of those things deserved to be nerfed

      I'm sure there has to be a better way to nerf Scald than taking it away from almost everyone. I thought the concept of that move was cool

      Scald shouldn't be nerfed
      it was fine the way it was

      The concept of the move was stupid. It inflicts a potentially crippling status where the only type immune to said status is weak to the move itself. Let alone water being a great defensive type already.

      >It inflicts a potentially crippling status where the only type immune to said status is weak to the move itself
      this doesn't break the game
      there are plenty of pokemon with good special defense that also don't care about burns
      Magic Gaurd is also a thing

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this doesn't break the game
        Maybe not, but it's still unbalanced and pretty stupid. It would be like if there was a ground-type paralysis move.
        >Magic Gaurd is also a thing
        Not anymore.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Maybe not, but it's still unbalanced and pretty stupid
          no it really isn't. you can't just look at the type chart and go "it's unbalanced"
          look at Blissey for example. it doesn't resist Water and it's not immune to burns, but it's Special Defense is so high that it doesn't care about Scald damage and it also has Natural Cure. you have to also look at a pokemon's stats and abilities and not just the type chart
          >It would be like if there was a ground-type paralysis move
          Flying types and Levitate exist so this is balanced
          >Not anymore
          dexcut shouldn;t be a thing anyways

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >no it really isn't
            Yes, it really is. It's 10BP weaker than Surf and has a better chance than most Fire moves to completely shut down a physical attacker.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >It's 10BP weaker than Surf and has a better chance than most Fire moves to completely shut down a physical attacker
              who says Fire needs to be the dedicated type for countering physical attackers?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not even close to the dedicated type for that because Scald is a better burning move.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The only Fire type attack that has a similar burn chance to Scald is Flame whell a 60 bp move.
                Honestly i hope they bump Flame wheel to 80bp and distribute Fire Lash more widely.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't lava plume also get a 30% chance?
                I could have sworn that fire blast has a 30% chance with how often I luck out with it but it seems to be 10%

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lava Plume isn't widely distributed.
                Only Torkoal, Cammerupt, Flareon and the Cyndaquill line get it.
                Flame wheel becoming a Fire type body slam equivalent would be better.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Flame wheel only has 10%,

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Galewings
      Should have nerfed it by it not affecting status moves or at least given Talonflame a stat boost of 20 Atk.

      >Protean
      Should have made the STAB boost only 1.3 instead of 1.5 whenever the user doean't use their regular type.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    to this day I still have no idea why they did it. I would not be surprised if it was a programming error they never bothered to fix because of their pride of something

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do what?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Never releasing their HAs (Flash Fire, Volt Absorb, and Water Absorb), and then changing them all to Inner Focus once Gen VII came and Ability Capsules were introduced.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Raikou and Entei were way too similar with Jolteon and Arcanine

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Never releasing their HAs (Flash Fire, Volt Absorb, and Water Absorb), and then changing them all to Inner Focus once Gen VII came and Ability Capsules were introduced.

      To make them (Entei) more Doubles Viable

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    honestly just any mon losing moves from older gens like if the move no longer exists fine but if you have a old game then you should still have access to those moves if they're still in the game(except toxic that made sense to remove from a few mons)
    like i get scaled was strong but why not nerf it instead of removing it from everyone except a mon that already has a better move making it pointless

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >except toxic
      no that was the worst possible move to have been cut

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        i get its a essential tool for some mons but it doesn't make sense that nearly every mon gets it
        and i dont think nerfing toxic even after the healing nerfs makes sense either

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          toxic didn't need to be nerfed becuase there are a frickton of Poison and Steel types to counter it as well and Heal Bell, Rest, etc.

          >it doesn't make sense that nearly every mon gets it
          why not? an attacking pokemon could use Toxic to wear down a bulky pokemon that has no way of curing the status
          >healing nerfs
          those moves should have never been nerfed

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            never said it did
            toxic its fine to put a timer on bulk just not every mon should have it yet a few more should rn
            scald is different either nerf the bp or nerf the burn chance
            i think the best option is to lower the bp to 70
            to make it a utility move

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              65 or 40 is a better number to dodge technician or other abilities buffing it

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It and Scald should be cut back even more. If it isnt a poison type it shouldnt know toxic, and if it isnt emboar/volcanion/walking wake it shouldnt know scald.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yea because Walking Wake needs a buff in Scald, and Volcanion already has a better Scald. Nice try, dipshit. Maybe just balance the move properly or make Chilling Water not dogshit.

          As for Toxic, I'm still not a believer in the cut. I get Toxic + Protect sets can be hyper aids but all this does is buff stall by limiting who can apply a timer to walls. T-Spikes are so piss easy to remove/avoid it's almost pointless unless they're a low elo shitter who doesn't run HDB on stall teams. I mean honestly, I'd bet money they only nerfed Toxic because they're autistically set on the 20 minute timer.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            You wanna know how to nerf stall?
            STOP BANNING OFFENSE
            its that simple. Strong offense breaks through stall. Im not saying OHKO should be everywhere, but a good chunk of mons should be able to 2hko most stallmons. Really burn through those limited (a good thing btw) recovers.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Removing moves altogether instead of just reinvigorating them with revamps is the biggest crime. The best approach is always to just constantly tweak everything rather than just erase it from existence. It helps with variety, keeps things feeling fresh without feeling cluttered, and old Pokemon don't get screwed over by way of being unintended victims

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Scald and Toxic should have been removed from most pokemon since the beginning. Masuda was just too pussy to do it because if he did it, he will only brand himself as a flip-flop moron.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Smoggays and compgays are mistakes

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bug attacks being resisted by fairy is easily one of the most moronic decisions in Game Freak history. Like being resisted on SIX fricking types already wasn't enough?

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    in what fricking world would they take eruption away from this guy

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      for some reason it can only get Eruption if you link a Gen 4 game to Pokémon Ranger Guardian Signs

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It only ever had Eruption as an event move.

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Protean was nerfed because at that point they gave it to too many Pokemon in a Gen that has Tera.
    Yeah, instead of giving Meowscarada a hidden ability that makes sense, I don’t know like Magic Bounce or something to fit the whole magician theme, they give it Protean and figure it’s be too broken with old Protean so they nerfed it in the ground to the point where it legitimately uses Overgrowt on some sets.

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