>These two goons awaken
>One can induce droughts because he generates so much heat
>The other can summon rain because something something ocean
>All just to wedge in more weather tie-ins
Gen 3 is my favorite generation, but I recognize this was an unfortunate mistake that turned the entire series on its head. By making Pokemon beings that could manipulate natural forces to this extent, you cross the boundary from monsters to Gods. While it would be inevitable that power levels would increase over time, the jump from "a bird that resurrected 3 super fast dogs" to "literal embodiment / conduit of natural forces" is too great.
Allowing Pokemon to "summon" weather via a move or ability was a critical error, and ill-conceived.
What would you have done to avoid this issue?
Nothing because the weather trio are still the best legendaries in the series.
>Weather trio
>Weather is just heat, rain, and lack of either
Their designs are kino. Their execution was ass.
Now that you say that… I just realized they never went for the basic fire air water earth. 4 monotyped legends (ground and flying type for earth and air) who are at odds with each other wrecking havoc in a region… and then the AVATAR awakens from their slumber. Their ability gives them stab for all four types, he may be mono fairy for maximum powercreep.
>hurricane
>earth power
>fire blast
>hydro pump
Some1 pls reply I’m lonely
I think it’s fine because Hoenn Legends were sealed away by people, and kept in balance by Rayquaza. It gets weird when you start handing out Drought/Drizzle to regular Pokémon.
weather was introduced in gen 2 you moron
>Weather was introduced in gen 2!
Sunny Day and Rain Dance were cutesy, one-off ideas, and Sandstorm was just a DoT move that stayed on the field. "Weather" wasn't a thing. It wasn't until gen 3 that GF spun this into "these creatures can summon natural catastrophes!"
You can tell this was the case by the moves' distribution prior to gen 3. Fricking everything could learn Sunny Day or Rain Dance, it was a clunky way to introduce buffs that stayed on the field, alongside other disasters like Baton Pass.
Further, I didn't state gen 3 introduced weather as a whole. I stated gen 3 explicitly, outright stated that Pokemon can control weather. From that point, the natural escalation is to start claiming they can control other natural forces, like gravity, time, and space (sound familiar?)
They should have kept Groudon as a strong beast that could shake the earth, and split the crust to cause magma to erupt. Kyogre could then control tides and currents, and the two become natural enemies whose combined efforts destroy each other. All without summoning rain or "le drought"
>It's different because... it just is!!!!
Holy shit dude, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
>Still this hung up on the issue being when weather was introduced
>completely bypasses the power level issue I'm actually discussing by getting bogged down in "b-b-b-but gen had moves to make it sunny!"
Hard to be embarrassed around dumb fricks like you, anon.
a smogongay hunh
This thread is so garbage it's unreal
The art in OP was dope, but this weather shit is weak
>What would you have done to avoid this issue?
Nothing? Masuda even said that the weather trio aren’t actually embodiments of land/sea. Just strong pokemon that were worshipped and interpreted as such.
If anything, I’d probably make it so that the legends in pokemon are more clearly just that- legends, and not necessarily reflecting what the pokemon is actually capable of. Masuda did this in his other directed pokemon games to an extent, but the majority of fans didn’t get the memo.
In the original Gen 2 Ho-Oh is explicitly worshiped as a god by the characters and npcs in the game, Gen 3 did not start this shit
>Worshipped as a god
>Only seen as a good omen who brings good moods and MAY have brought some dead dogs back to life
>Counterpart's only power is gale-strength winds when it beats its wings
I don't think you played the games at all, friend. Because they never implied the birds were anything other than good/bad signs to see. The original 3 had more power, and even they didn't shape the world the way Groudon/Kyogre did.
OP is being gay but he's right, Pokemon used to be monsters and now they're plot devices. RSE started that, think about how piss poor the story really is about some frickheads who decide to wake up their world's version of superkaiju.
Pray tell why is it ok that Ho-Oh can transform 3 mons into legendaries from beyond the grave, but not ok that Groudon and Kyogre embody natural elements that already exist on earth?
I agree, actually. It's also caused every Pokemon story since to be the same boring thing. I mean, the weather thing is wrong because that was in GSC, but the central idea of Pokemon being literally embodiments of the forces of the world is so boring.
You never actually see Ho-oh do that, is the difference. It's just a legend, and though it's implied to be true, it's intended to echo stories of encounters with kami, in that they're fleeting and ambiguous.
Granted, in the other games you're never literally shown Arceus creating the universe or Groudon creating the land, and the non-box legendaries are usually accompanied by stories that sound exaggerated, you do still always see box legendaries perform absurd, world-rending feats. The abilities to create whirlpools, reincarnate individuals, and time travel are quaint compared to Kyogre, Xerneas, and Dialga's versions of these same abilities, in my opinion.