>praised as the return to form for WoW
>still losing subs by the minute
What happened? We’re WoWcucks really broken so badly by BFA/SL that they unironically called this shit good?
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Dragonflight is just a "competent" expansion, it doesn't do anything new, but instead just avoids (most of) the mistakes of BFA/SL. But those two were so bad that it's not enough.
>Dragonflight is just a "competent" expansion
No. Its not even close. Boring story, characters I don't care about, factions I don't care about one bit. No new gameplay system other than dragon mounts. It feels half baked at best.
>praised as the return to form for WoW
By whom? A bunch of ecleb grifters who dropped the game immediately as it wasn't profitable anymore?
If you were stupid enough to fall for marketing and shill lies again, that's on you bud.
it's only the shitsucking homosexual shills left who sing praises of it, the expansion is worse than shadowlands
>the expansion is worse than shadowlands
Don't be do dramatic, it's too much
It's back to treading water after several actively bad expansions and 20 years of putting off system wide problems. Being okay doesn't change that the rest of the game is a broken mess.
paid shills are not people
It didn't seem very good in prepatch, I seriously doubt it's a return to form for the game.
It's better than BFA and Black personlands, but that's hardly a massive improvement, more like the bare minimum.
>WoWcucks really broken so badly by BFA/SL
yes
you have no idea
Explain.
the amount of extra system bullshit people had to do in legion bfa and shadowlands permanently turned people off from WoW even with all of that removed. the mentality of the game being a massive chore keeps them away
what's there to explain? two of the worst expansions in a row took its toll on the playerbase. was it system bloat? was it shit story? corporate cringe writing? ignoring pvp? slow patch cycle? censoring the game because reasons?
tons of reasons could be talk about to death. it's all of them combined
>praised as the return to form for WoW
by who?
Now post this on twitter and @ christie golden.
And compromise my low profile? No thank you!
people got tired of MMOs
thats it
But WoW isn't an MMO so surely getting tired of MMOs shouldn't be a factor in WoWs decline?
>But WoW isn't an MMO
Because?
It's a lobby game. 99% of the end-game is based around sitting inside instanced lobbies with zero way for anyone outside your party to interact with you. Nothing Massively about that. If that was the case then Halo or CoD or Battlefield is an MMO because there's 20+ player lobbies.
only game that dont do that is EVE, but unfortunately CCP is even more moronic than blizz and ruin their game even faster
>t.hasnt played wow since WoD
>t.hasnt played wow since WoD
That would be me, unironically.
And I feel grateful for it. No more pretending that this slop is palatable.
>they hated him for he spoke the truth
The mechanics and systems of DF are fine, but the setting and story is so boring.
The only people who ever praise wow are shills or addicts. No one has genuinely enjoyed that shit in the last 10+ years.
"It's bland, but it doesn't suck!" is not the tag line that's going to bring back disaffected fans.
Ran by an insufferable moron who has a clear and obvious agenda even if its ruining the game every year more and more
>kneecap and gut m+ and pvp constantly even after doing a gigantic subscriber only survey that revealed 70% of players prefer m+ to anything else
>all dev time obviously goes into making raids, m+ seasons start hilariously broken and unenjoyable because they don't care about playtesting or balancing them, pvp is a dead fricking mess because of horrible class balance and complete neglect from the devs, the lead pvp developer literally just got poached a month ago
>no one wants to heal anymore because of constant direct and indirect nerfs to healers in pvp and pve so finding a group takes even longer than ever
>make the game as raidbrain friendly as possible, all of the other nerfed content means raiding is the best way to get gear AND the gear is all designed so raid gear is the best in terms of statlines, effects, and ilvl AND timegate the tier set for m+ and pvp so you have to raid because the content is tuned around you having the sets
Basically if you aren't a mazed lifer raidlogger there is no reason to play wow
the brain of a moronic m+ brainlet. enjoy doing the same dungeon over and over again for 1 more IO point.
Players left not because DF is bad expansion (DF is the first good one in a decade!) but because they sat on the needle of Legion/BFA/SL, shit expansions that promoted mandatory grind.
Now, with DF, there is no such needle, and those people who got addicted to be abused by grinding mechanics, cant find the coke and left the game.
Now, the only thing Blizzard have to do is to build up more content upon the new, healthy foundation.
With 11.0 they dont need to rework the game to keep the subs and bring new players.
All they need to do is to give players more non-mandatory but fun content with fun (non power related) rewards.
So, the assumption that Blizzard need to significantly rework the game is incorrect.
I think they are fine with DF results. Yes, addicted (to the bad game desing) have left, but people who enjoyed healthy WoW stayed, and from there they only need to keep these healthy designs and build upon it more content.
In 11.0 i expect more serious tone and more fun content.
literal drug zombie trying to rationalize his inability to stop running the maze and coping by saying "no you're the addict actually"
>(next patch/expansion) is going to be fun and save everything! wow will be saved this time for sure!!!
Ah yes, the buck broken wow addict catchphrase
No I(and probably many other players) mainly left because they destroyed the lore and did nothing to fix it after Shadowlands and also the extreme woke agenda in the game.
Making most of the new npcs gay or a troony is bad enough if you like me read quest texts but they also retroactively censored a lot of old content(harmless puns, lore etc.) which is even worse, it just shows where their priorities are.
I played Vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata, MoP, WoD, and Legion.
Have I missed out on anything by quitting after that?
No legion was the last time the game was any good, you quit at the right time
You played through the peak of nu-wow (Legion) and now its just desperately trying to hold onto that formula but it doesn't feel as good.
I will say though, Dragonflight has been my favorite expansion for leveling alts because it is very easy and quick. Start off with flying right away, world quests are already active, chests of gear from weekly events.
Nope, you quit at the perfect time.
Dragonflight is as good as Legion.
This does not mean you should return. If anything it means you should never look back.
Legion and mop are the only 2 good wow xpacs
BC added without taking away.
Now this is some cope. Enjoy your trans dragons a d gay centaurs.
I played Cata through Legion. Legion was really "fun" but it was the start of very predatory game design meant to waste everyone's time.
I have genuine addict friends that buy me every expansion without fail and the game has fully lost it's magic. It's purely systemic at this point with a coat of paint on top to give the façade of being this colorful friendly world to "explore"
I'm unironically sad when I think about WoW because I remember how much fun I had but the product isnt the same. Classic is overrun by minmaxing spergs so that isnt much better either. Maybe I'll give a wrath pserver a try if the population is big enough.
Legion absolutely felt like a climax, and what followed felt like a major deescalation
>Give up your legendary weapons of myth, leave behind the class halls you were just put in charge of, and fall back into the faction war machine, now you've put an end to the Burning Legion its time to return to faction-squabbies
you seriously got out at the best possible moment. I don't believe anybody who says dflight is on par with legion or mop, they are coping. BFA and shadowlands kneecapped a lot of the playerbase insuring they never return, i watched it happen on my full btag.
>praised as the return to form for WoW
literally an astro-turf marketing line. pay attention, game by game, and observe how taglines and phrases totally naturally spring up and are repeated over and over with only slight variations. it's not that each of these people are paid, it's that they are non-sapient consoomer creatures that repeat marketing/party lines that they hear or read from actual paid sources.
the game will never be good again; it relies too heavily on vulpera players and store mount purchasers that are allergic to good gameplay and dominate the games' direction with their lack of financial competence. just let it go and play something else; most new games are unsolicited quasi-MMOs anyway.
the one-two punch of BFA followed up by Shadowlands have done irreparable damage to the perception of the game, I don't see a future where any of the core audience for WoW is snapped back to caring about it, which is why I'm guessing they have started pivoting towards projecting WoW to be a safespace for mentally ill gays
nobody left on the dev team genuinely cares about the lore, characters, or world anymore, and that attitude has rubbed off on the playerbase, they are free to write as many asspulls and moronic lore retcons as they want now, the fans still hanging on have already endured the batshit writing of shadowlands and don't give a shit, the soul is gone, no innovation will ever take place, its over
>already desperately dropping hints of next wow xpac going back to “original vision of fantasy”
>hoping people ignore the fact that regardless of them trying to ape the old style of fantasy it’s still the same shitty devs as before.
Dead MMO for trannies and boomers who love being raped
Ah yep... dragonflight is comfy and based
http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/639587e5c46d6-average-m-group-dragonflight.php
>arena is for MLG/MDI
>class balance is for MLG/MDI
>M+ is for MLG/MDI
>raids is for MLG/MDI
To the majority of players who still play this game pay to collect shit and nothing else. Its basically an mmo with no end game, yes some do it but the majority don't and for good reason, it wasn't made for the players.
WoW Classic came out, and good number of the people still playing retail actually just wanted to play older WoW. WoW, being an MMO, is powered by the network effect. More people in the system makes the game exponentially better. The opposite is also true. As people drop out, the game gets exponentially worse. WoW Classic was enough of a hit to Retail that it triggered as cascade of quitting, which then triggered a cascade of quitting, which then triggered a cascade of quitting, etc.
'Return to form' is never an actual return to form, it's usually marginally better than the recent swill but a far cry from the golden era. The term is usually used by marketers and Stockholm syndrome cases.
as the return to form for WoW
Endgame is heavily biased for poopsockers and what's the point of mogmountcheevo if 90% of gear and mounts to collect are fricking ugly?
I've ran out of shit to do that isn't m+, and pugging m+ means grouping with the types of backward frickwad hicks who'd post here while unironically spouting troony this troony that, which I have no interest in doing. None of my normy friends play either, so I let my sub drop.
God damn it I hate all of you.
While obviously the quality of the game has an influence on the enjoyment, most of the time it came down to who I was playing with. I had the most fun in BfA, Legion and WoD in the order (having played on and off since vanilla with the exception of cata) because during those times I played with competent, fun people
classic proved that community is the main problem
only scalies actually want to play as dragons
some normies don't notice or care
plenty of people actually don't want to play as gay dragons
"pretty good" for the rest of it isn't enough alone to reverse the slide they were in
they're going to need a few "pretty good" or better expansions with really targeted content to have a chance of salvation
I'm a scaly and I want to play as a naga or drakonid, not these toothpick motherfrickers who can only wear pauldrons, dildos and Kamen Rider belts.
It's an awful game but I still play it because I don't have the mental capacity to play any other game. At least Li Li is still there.
Don't you people get tired of this daily thread?
Yes, I'm even more tired that it always devolves in to Ganker-level schizophrenic spamming.
It's better than anything else in the MMO market so that's all it takes TBQH.
>losing subs
They said it has better player retention than SL despite lower initial sales. It could be because SL was a massive filter for the type of players who would've dropped DF by now, but who knows. The game is also in a state where it'd be fine to frick off for a few months and come back at a content update.
read between the lines.
High player retention = casuals didnt even try the xpac which is shown by lower sales. Nobody can leave if they dont show up to the party.
Yeah, that was me referring to SL as a filter. I think the low-mid level Mythic guilds were hit a lot harder than casuals honestly. Recruitment became nearly impossible by 9.1 as players either quit or filtered up into higher rank guilds, but there was no one interested in raiding coming up from Heroic to fill the roster. Anecdotally, a lot of the people who quit never came back either.
>Want to look up a unbiased review of dragonflight
>Every single video is by WoW centric channels
And this shit happens with every single other MMO out there too.
No shit, MMOs expansions aren't really something that be reviewed on their own by someone just dipping their toes into the game
There is a difference between just playing a game alot and actively sucking the dev's dick for your channel.
And it's even less reliable since Blizzard stepped up their "creator outreach" or whatever they call it. It's just a way to turn all the small-mid sized content creators into unapologetic shills.
what happened is the devs are trannies and are making the game homosexualy, plus the previous two expansions broke people's faith in the game
>What happened?
Deviant art dragons, homosexual centaurs and grrl powa feminist frickery. Whoever is in charge of WoW has to realize that they cannot appeal to the main audience (18-34 straight male) with that shit.
Warcraft either rebrands to something really fricking close to it's origins or it dies. But that means kicking out all the trans-furry-feministas so you better take it behind the shed. You can only enjoy the watered down gameplay mechanics so much before you get to be reminded that the developers actively hate you at every other corner in the game.
I've played Alliance. Devs already despised me for years before rainbow people showed up.
Funny how THEN it wasn't a problem and you would get called a homosexual for claiming otherwise.
My point? This isn't a new development. morons that ran this game always behaved like this, which set precedence for what is now.
I switched to Alliance for 6 months at the start of SL to play with friends and I ended up quitting the game because of how hard it got to find a functional mythic guild. All this cross-faction stuff was years overdue.
someone link me the Alexensual drama pls
just go to wowcg on vg
I tried it, it's just fricking garbage
Let's just face it, nu-wow is dead and it's not ever coming back