Pre Disney Star Wars starfighter games
>4 Rogue Squadron games counting Battle of Naboo on Nintendo consoles
>2 Starfighter games on the PS2
>4 Totally Games games on PC
Post Disney
>Squadrons
Is Disney afraid of starfighter combat games? It's such a big part of what makes Star Wars what it is, why isn't there more of it?
no lightsbaer no buytsaber
There are on foot lightsaber missions in rogue squadron 3. They are the worst parts of the game mind you, but still.
Anon they've made like 3 games TOTAL. You should be happy you got any flight games at all.
>Is Disney afraid of starfighter combat games
>Anon they've made like 3 games TOTAL.
disney literally shut down LucasArts and fired everybody and decided letting EA manage all star wars video game production was a good idea.
shutting down LucasArts was arguably a worse decision than retiring the old star wars expanded universe canon and/or the entirety of the sequel trilogy's production. we should be getting 3-5+ star wars games a year.
That exclusivity period with EA would turn off anyone from getting pumped to make a Star Wars game. So we were stuck with whatever people internally at EA pitched, instead of anyone even planning future games in the AA area of funding. What a fricking loss, an entire decade without awesome random games being made.
>What a fricking loss, an entire decade without awesome random games being made.
i know man. growing up i looked forward to every star wars video game release from the snes/n64/xbox/pc era. so many good games. so many top selling/award winning games too. even on a purely financial level it was such a stupid movie by disney. they basically left free money sitting on the table by not continuing/ramping up the release of star wars games. every film should have had 2-3+ video game tie-ins. star wars games went from being a whole video genre onto themselves to.... bizzare EA slop.
killing the old expanded universe also kind of ruined the star wars video game genre as well - denying themselves hundreds of great stories to expand upon with video games(shadows of the empire, the x-wing series, etc....) now they make up MILK TOAST pale imitations of the old stories with new shallow woke facsimilies like the new jedi order games and the horrible single player campaigns in nu battlefront .
>great stories
>shadows of the empire
Most of those EU works were just cynically milking the cash cow. With a rare few notable exceptions, the overall quality was very low because they knew that devoted 12-year-olds would buy just about any new instalment if it was an official part of the Star Wars saga. Nothing of importance will be lost if we chuck those old Kevin J. Anderson stories into the trash compactor. The real problem is that the new content is so bland and uninspiring. I can't imagine a game like KOTOR that takes its themes and lore from the sequel trilogy, because themes and lore are barely present there.
we went from 70% crap and 30% kino to 70% mediocre and 30% absolute shit. Say what you will about the EU but at least it want just paint by numbers corporate slop most of the time.
star wars was/always will be pulp science fiction. it was never meant to be deep. the old eu novels and comics with their video game counterparts were great for young readers. it was an actual multimedia experience to read a book and then play through a video game adaption of it.
>Nothing of importance will be lost if we chuck those old Kevin J. Anderson stories into the trash compactor.
cringe. kevin j anderson gave us Tales from the Jedi comic series, the skywalker/solo children, luke's jedi academy, and like half of the foundational stories of the EU and most of the best games we got. personally i dislike timothy zahn and his contributions to star wars more.
>it was an actual multimedia experience to read a book and then play through a video game adaption of it.
mind you that this is the correct way to create a multimedia experience, every attempt by disney so far(and i'm going to take a jab at WoW for this shit too, frickers) has been certain key events happening in pieces of media people didn't watch or read, which then don't translate over to the main medium in which the original works were made.
As fun as the EU was, this is pretty much right. I got into it was a young lad even before the prequels came out because I loved the movies and I needed more. People forget that Star Wars was much more niche before the special editions/prequels hit. It was big, of course, but by the 90s Star Wars was still just the three movies and some scattered video games (which were mostly not original stories, just retreads of the movies) and the expanded universe books and comics. Shadows of the Empire was a big deal since it was a new story with novels, a video game, etc. Some of the stuff was silly (looking at you Kevin J) but at least it was fun for the time and gave fans something to sustain them
Kevin j Anderson is a dogshit writer, I cannot believe he is even allowed to write YA novels let alone butcher the fricking Dune universe. Him and Brian have committed one of the most cynical money grubbing literary crimes of all time
Yep we're in total agreement, frick.
>no Battlefront II Classic
fake fan
BFI >>> piss > BFII >>>>>>> shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EAfronts
cope
seethe, homosexual
>battlefront renegade squadron
underrated
>retiring the old star wars expanded universe canon
EU was never canon. George Lucas was saying it decades before the Disney acquisition.
>EU was never canon. George Lucas was saying it decades before the Disney acquisition.
there were official tiers of canon. when people refer to the 'old eu canon' they mean this tier, the continuity tier, the largest canon tier. no one needs to explicitly say 'only the original george lucas films are the REAL canon' because everyone understands that they stand above on their own above all else already. you're just being a dense retart.
One of the difficult things about the EU even at the time was it often contradicted itself. Perhaps the most blatant that comes to mind is Jango Fett and the Mandalorians. Within five years, official published media went back and forth between him being "the greatest Mandalorian to ever live" to having never been a Mandalorian and just happened to have a full set of Beskar back to being a Foundling of the Mandalore at the time back to not being a Mando again for no particular reason and back.
The EU was not immune to petty fights.
Look, the best parts of the EU are leagues above the shit disney plops out, but it was also unironically full of shit.
Nobody remembers Jaxxon "I AINT NO RODENT" the green space rabbit for good reason.
yeah sure they really scuffed up the mandalorian lore in the later years of the old EU -especially after the prequels and clone cartoons came out. they definitely were starting to drop the ball with the old EU near the end of it's life in general.
BUT it was all still infinitely better world building than what disney has put out. and somehow disney has made a more convoluted/contradictory mess in their few short years of sole directorship than the old EU did in its 40+ years of its collective storytelling.
Until they started actually plotting out story arcs with new Jedi order and later series there was no one guiding the lore or meta plot of the EU, individual writers could do what they wanted short of killing off major characters. Its amazing the EU was as coherent as it is
>daala became head of the new republic for a second
>fricking DAALA
impressive career growth frankly.
Watching the solo kids grow up almost real time was fun too.
Daala was kino. And yeah I actually felt gut punched when Anakin solo died and when Jacen turned evil, unlike han dying or kylo being evil which just felt like shock porn and unearned respectively.
>Watching the solo kids grow up almost real time was fun too.
>And yeah I actually felt gut punched when Anakin solo died and when Jacen turned evil,
i actually felt like i grew up alongside the solo twins, their age in the expanded universe going up roughly parallel to my own in my real life from when i started reading the young adult books: Young Jedi Knights and the adult trilogy about the Corellian Space Station when they were little kids. then I was in my first years of high school when the new jedi order series started. the characters and stories grew up with me. people shit on teh EU a lot but it provided a very cool experience for me as a young reader over more than a decade. a big, mostly continuous story that went on for 15+ years with movies, books, comics, video games, toys, etc. a story 1000s of hours long told by hundreds of different writers working together to make a whole expanded universe.
disney basically shut down the largest/longest ongoing multimedia story in history. nothing else really comes close in scale to what star wars was through the 80s-2000s.
>nothing else really comes close in scale to what star wars was through the 80s-2000s.
Back then it seemed to me that Trek outweighed Wars with its block of television shows that lasted for 7 seasons with 24 episodes in each. Enterprise only got 4 seasons, but still. You could live inside Star Trek shows for months if you wanted. Trek had a lot more films too, even if they didn't have the same impact as a new Star Wars.
>Back then it seemed to me that Trek outweighed Wars with its block of television shows that lasted for 7 seasons with 24 episodes in each. Enterprise only got 4 seasons, but still. You could live inside Star Trek shows for months if you wanted. Trek had a lot more films too, even if they didn't have the same impact as a new Star Wars.
trek was always just a tv show tho. the movies sucked. teh games sucked. the novels were few and fart between and also sucked. there were also no real good toys or comic books. star trek just isnt comparable to star wars on a multimedia level.
All the trash
All the garbage
All the kino
god I miss it
Bed crushing sex with Kreia!
I'd smash her just to annoy her.
Can you imagine, all she wants to do it impress her mindset on you and you just keep trying to frick her?
How frustrated would she be
>Gets pregnant.
>Doesn't get pregnant.
i will never get lucas' hateboner for jango and boba. it does not make the characters any more compelling for them not to be mandos and in fact makes a lot less sense, especially in jango's case. the later takes that he was banished after being on the losing side of a civil war was much better than "lol no he's just a random assassin who happens to be decked out in more beskar than any mandalorian has ever had"
Honestly who cares the insane obsession with mandalorians across TCW, the Mando show, and recent SWTOR had just turned them into another gay faction
KOTOR made them cool as frick and they should have just left it there
Yeah but karen traviss desperately wants to frick them so they became a faction.
I really don't think karen traviss had anything to do with the disney shows
In fact I'm pretty sure she hates what disney has done with them
everyone hates the pacifist mandos.
>Yeah but karen traviss desperately wants to frick them so they became a faction.
>I really don't think karen traviss had anything to do with the disney shows
she set the groundwork for fricking with them and retconning swathes of their lore. she basically fricked mando lore up so much that she opened the door for tcw cartoon and disney to frick em up further.
1999 - 2005 was the golden era of Star Wars content in all its forms. We're never getting anything like that ever again.
Dumb shit in the EU generally came from one author writing on his own, which sometimes had knock on effects due to others being forced to accommodate it. It’s more forgivable than a production team coming together and nobody spotting that an idea is fricking stupid.
people called lightsaber whips and the tonfas dumb even at the time
longtime EU fans hate Dark Empire and the Legacy era
Hell there's probably archives here that go back long enough to confirm this.
The difference is that the dumb out there ideas were balanced by ones that were either good, or at least fun, which disney has failed to do.
>longtime EU fans hate Dark Empire
not me. loved dark empire and so did most other people considering it is STILL the most sold star wars comic book ever. i never understood people who were against cloning in star wars. the clone wars were mentioned in the very first film. cloning exists in the universe. it was only logical to become part of the main story. and the way palpatine wants to use it to cheat death is great. i loved it. it was also colored and drawn so well. so iconic. dark empire put dark horse on the map and dark horse went on to give us some of the best comic book art of all time(not just star wars)
Dark Empire always made me wonder what other ways the Clone Wars could have been
The books made me imagine a war where a sinister group was making clones of important people and replacing them so they could control the galaxy
>i never understood people who were against cloning in star wars
The issue with DE is not the cloning bullshit as per se, but rather the fact that it nullifies and cheapens the impact of Anakin's sacrifice.
The Thrawn Trilogy will forever be a better continuation of the OT because Zahn actually managed to introduce a compelling antagonist without resorting to blatant asspulls.
>compelling antagonist without resorting to blatant asspulls.
-Luuke
-Dude the emperor was actually using Battle Meditation at Endor the whole time!
-Ysalamiri as a new kryptonite for jedi, never mentioned before of course
>discover something new
>WTF WHY WAS THIS NEVER MENTIONED????
moron
>The Thrawn Trilogy
LOL. Zahn is a fricking hack. the thrawn trilogy was trash. jorruuus cbaoth, mad crazy jedi!. thrawn 2smart4u secret alien admiral who studies art history. mara jade's hike through the jungle with luke. all insufferable.
nothing about dark empire cheapens anakin's sacrifice. luke and leia just had to finish the job. defeating palpatine became their whole family's legacy and not just anakins.
where as the thrawn trilogy made the emperor and vader out to be 'dumb magical believing rubes' versus thrawns 2smart4u plans to clone retarted crazy jedi. thrawn and zahn are overhyped and get way more attention then they deserve.
if you need any more proof that zahn is/was/always will be a hack go consume any of the nu star wars material he has put out under disney. its all slop.
You can cope all you want while the Thrawn trilogy's still getting a nigh universal acclaim, and DE is rightfully derided and hated for being one of the trashiest things the EU has ever produced :^)
obviously. Rule of cope aside, the only things that can inherently be canon are the stories Lucas wrote. Even if he says other things are canon, by definition they never can be because they weren't written by the hand of god. It's like why there still hasn't been a canon sequel to Halo 2.
I really didn’t care as long as I kept getting good stories and the EU had some consistency. Disney took it away and doesn’t allow all further development of the EU so they can shill only their own mediocre canon that will inevitably be replaced as well one day
George also said the emperor doesn't get cloned, and look how that went
In fairness LucasArts was a borderline defunct company by the time Disney bought it.
Yeah, Lucasarts essentially died around 2007 when a new suit took control and cancelled everything except the Force Unleashed, a clone wars cartoon tie-in game, and Kinect
>KOTOR3
>Jedi Knight III
>Vader
all died for the sake of that SWTOR abomination, truly the worst of all timelines
Which dev was supposed to make KOTOR III?
https://www.eurogamer.net/fear-is-the-path-to-the-dark-side
>disney literally shut down LucasArts and fired everybody and decided letting EA manage all star wars video game production was a good idea
And It was like one of the very first things they did after acquiring Lucasfilm.
Man, if that wasn't the biggest red flag on how bad Disney would end up mismanaging Star Wars.
The only console one I liked was the Rogue Squadron for N64. That blew my childish mind at the time. I played Rogue Leader and it seemed like tech demo to me. Gewd grafix on the Cube! But not much fun. The Starfighter games on the PS2 were passable in the gameplay department but they're about fricking Naboo ships and other prequel crap. Take that shit away George, I don't want to see it again.
WE GOTTA BUY MORE TIME
>RED LEADER, WHERE'S OUR COVER?!
red lobster signing in
>The A-wing is so bad its propensity for being the fastest coffin money can buy survived a canon revamp through sheer will.
>The A-wing, or "How to look cool and die fast" is what happens when A Kuat Engineer snuck into the back of Sienar systems to see the assembly of the first TIE Interceptor and thinking "A cheap fast and basic starfighter with the survivability of wet paper, great! Let's make it faster, let's make it not cheap, let's make it even faster, let's make it without the numbers that TIEs are built around" and his Rebel friend, hearing all this, decides "Yeah we aint got Empire pilot numbers but I sure do like going fricking FAST"
>Fast but not easy, you're basically flying two engines strapped to your dick when its just seen two twileks kissing. In a navy that is just full of "I'm the best pilot ever but frick discipline" jocks there's only one way to compensate for the missing inches of limp-dicked decent piloting and "Well I can fly an A-wing and not die" is there for people who have a hopelessly high rate of optimism and a will already written.
>The most famous victory of an A-wing pilot is driving himself into the bridge of a Star Destroyer.This is actually remarkable as it did come at the end of the war between the Empire and the Rebel alliance, since it is frankly fricking AMAZING a-wing pilots survived this long. In the new canon they are given a fresh introduction, and promptly do nothing but fricking explode.
>A-wings are the thinking man's suicide note. In a desperate struggle to be the slickest spacer this side of Duros young hotshots sign up for a one-way ticket into either ploughing into the fricking ground, being the first into the frey and into fire in the wet tissue paper tiger, and just generally being the coolest guy in the dogfight because they're already exposed to the vacuum of space
It's almost as fast as it's unique ability to get shot down quickly.
Thank you for the commentary, General Rieekan,-SIR!
>copyright-approved Star Wars games stopped coming out
Could not give any fewer shits than I am right now
>lack of Star Wars mods for Freespace Open
Real shit. At least there's The Original Trilogy, but frick when is Fate of the Galaxy coming out
This is kind of a stupid comparison as Disney has been at Star Wars for 9 of the 45 years they've been making Star Wars video games. More than that, Rogue Squadron was from an era where Factor 5 was releasing 3-4 games a year as a studio. It's not like that any more. You shouldn't ask for a lot of starfighter games in general, you should ask for a few good ones. Which, you know. Never ever.
hot fricking take but you should be demanding good games at all times and not settle for anything less.
The xwing is what you see if you look up star fighter in the dictionary. It is capital S Star fighter.
its so fricking good.
Killing Factor5 was worse than any studio Microsoft has ever closed.
Togruta are for having sex in the missionary position full eye contact with her lekku wrapped around your head to ensure you can't escape her kisses (as if you could get out of her gorilla grip alien pussy)
Anon, that's Yuthura Ban, a twilek female
My point still stands Anon.
Yuthura should've been our companion instead of Juhani. We were robbed
>Turning her to the lightside just so that she can go die on Dantooine a day after joining the jedi
>he didn't visit Korriban last
ahahahahaha homosexual
I usually do Korriban last because I love telling everyone that I'm Darth Revan and having them look at me like a crazy person
I wish there was a new game+ mode that let's you awaken your Revan memories right when you land on Taris
KOTOR feels pretty straightforward in this regard
Tatooine
Kashyyyk
Manaan
*Leviathan I always choose T3-M4 to break me out of prison, gotta give the lil guy some work to do
Korriban
Yeah, that's usually my route too except I use HK-47 for the breakout
I tend to alternate between T3 and Mission. although Jolee running around in his underpants is hilarious af.
I make Kashyyk last because I think it's the most boring planet in both its visual design and its quests. It reminds me of an MMO. And I do not care for Jolee Bindo.
>it's the most boring planet in both its visual design and its quests
Manaan for me. And I fricking abhor the fishspeak.
Even on lightside playthroughs the darkside tempts me to kill the selkath's precious shark god
I have pleasant memories of playing through Manaan as a stoned teenager. It has the right kind of ambience for that.
Korriban also makes a lot of sense to do last because you can't use Bastilla on the last planet you do, and Korriban doesn't let you use Bastilla, so you're essentially reducing the amount of planets from 2 to 1.
this game kicks so much fricking ass. only way to play it is in first person mode
>No mention of the GOAT
God, Dark Forces was such a great quadrilogy. Not a terrible entry among them.
Kyle Katarn games in general are some of the absolute best in SW catalogue
I will never ever forget my Jedi Knight Outcast demo I got in a pizza box. It had a unique level and everything
>Spend 4 billion dollars for the rights to a franchise with two film trilogies under its belt that were both cultural touchstones in their respective times
>Universe has been thoroughly expanded to include many interesting characters, stories and even entire time periods (Old Republic, Great Hyperspace War, etc...) featured in many beloved games, books and TV shows
>Declare all of that stuff as fake and make an entirely new continuity with new characters that have no reputation with the fans whatsoever
>As an added frick you, give exclusive video game rights to EA for 10 years, who makes only like 3 games, following a period where multiple critically acclaimed Star Wars games would release every 1 to 2 years
What the FRICK was Disney thinking? Was it intentional? Are the execs unironic Trekkie sleeper cells? Did they hate Star Wars for being a bigger cultural footnote than their marvelslop cinematic universe?
Disney was the designated golem to shit on Star Wars because it was big, and inspiring to many people. Its systematic shittening is on purpose
These games are janky suck ass trash. Not boots on the ground or jedi no buy
You are fricking cattle
for the anons feeling the itch to play star wars games, just go back and play the games you missed
i recently felt the same and am going back to finish a couple games i dropped back then and a few i never played
>episode 1 on ps1
>jedi power battles on dreamcast
>lethal alliance on psp
>battlefront renegade squadron
just to name a few