>Primaris Marines will never have this kind of introduction
I actually feel primaris are for sad losers who can't read the mood of the 40k setting. The people who can't appreciate it for what it is and need something more.
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I feel sorry for the people who perform so many different mental gymnastics just to stay attached to a setting that's aged like milk.
Same goes with Star Wars and Star Trek fans. They go out of their way to ignore so much of the setting and invent so much themselves, when the settings have always just been giant trash heaps.
Oh no. I'm happy in my 4th edition bubble lad
ok boomerine player
Primaris still have gorgeous kits full of options for customization and lots of bits to paint. GW should've upscaled the marines sooner.
>I'm happy playing with so few people that battlescribe doesn't even offer support for the particular edition I never want to move past
kys
ok consooomer
surprised there's no cat dad sticker on that
I'm a chud but I'm a cat dad too
love me furbaby
Oh no my codex, which I own, isn't on *checks notes* the "Battlescribe" app, whatever will I do. I'll have to write an army list manually
HAHAHAHA
Actually, there is a 3rd edition battlescribe repository that covers all codices of the time (including 3.5e codexes), and it even includes some new stuff ported back to 3e as an optional addition (mostly vehicles using the Chapter Approved vehicle build rules.)
Writing your list manually is easy though, it's just simple addition and surely zoomers can do it. (The zoomers in my group did, easily.)
The real based move, however is to design a list you can remember by heart so you don't need to actually write anything down at all assuming you're not a gay who would abuse such a thing to pretend you have wargear that you don't actually have in the list. WYSWYG, Stillmania, the works.
yeah, 3e has community support and so does 2e. Both of those are niche enough to have that support and a group of players who keep it going because they are unique. Writing out a list isn't hard either, I've done it myself. But man if the apps don't make it a lot easier to have everything on hand.
There's a real solid case for enjoying oldhammer. And for collecting it, painting it, and sharing it around. But it's not "new thing bad". It's "old thing still good, GW's old sculpts have certain charms, and some are surprisingly high detail and hold up over time."
And if anything proved that, Old World did when I saw new players look at 1994 Bretonnia sculpts and say things like "wow those knights look like they could play in Age of Sigmar".
And old marines have certain charms to them too. The squat firing poses, the simple kits, the beakie helmets, the casette futurist meets medieval style. It's all cool stuff that stands on it's own.
And I see why GW updated the Marines with Primaris. The new Primaris kits are wonderful. Especially the Black Templars that I collected. And I'm looking forward to seeing all these new kits coming up. I don't think the answer is to be salty about them. And that's the boomerine. Being salty about new stuff instead of proud of the old stuff.
I meant to reply, whoops. Here's a classic marine as penance.
Literally writing a 4ed list for event on sunday right now and i am a zoomer. That battlescirbe comment made me massively kek
Preem Cope
same except 7th
I'm still buying used 7th edition codices and supplements off of ebay
That's when I got into 40k... good old demonhunters. Back when Grey Knights where honorable mysterious warriors, instead of the baby carrying gary stu they became later on.
>Back when Grey Knights where honorable mysterious warriors, instead of the baby carrying gary stu they became later on.
Ah, yes, I remember that one grey knight who was eternally carrying and fighting against a daemon sword, because he dared not leave it anywhere for fear that its whispers would draw in the weak-minded.
Kinda looks moronic these days, now that he could just give it to a Tau to use as a toilet cleaner, since everyone except humans is immune to Chaos now.
AAAAAAHHH TAKE ME BACK
>I feel sorry for the people who perform so many different mental gymnastics just to stay attached to a setting that's aged like milk.
Ha ha yeah!
>Same goes with Star Wars fans
Preach it! Preach it!
>and Star Trek fans
... Nuh uh...
When someone shits upon gold, do you deride the gold as useless for being shat upon, or try and clean the shit off?
I’d personally take my meds so I don’t think what’s actually a piece of shit isn’t Gold and stop crying that people use an outhouse as an outhouse
>OP says old good, new bad
>your disagreement is that the setting aged poorly
>therefore, it was better when it hadn't aged
>old good, new bad
>your disagreement
Was he really disagreeing? Didn't see a rebuttal.
I think you need to read more carefully.
>I feel sorry for the people who perform so many different mental gymnastics just to stay attached to a setting that's aged like milk.
>
>Same goes with Star Wars and Star Trek fans. They go out of their way to ignore so much of the setting and invent so much themselves, when the settings have always just been giant trash heaps.
This is sad how once beloved franchises go to shit.
If feel sad.
>They go out of their way to ignore so much of the setting and invent so much themselves
Warhammer is a ttwg, that's exactly how you're supposed to approach it.
There’s a difference between creating your own living narratives via modeling and games vs creating an entirely new setting in your head
Actually agree, I don't know who Erebus is and I don't care.
>I feel sorry for the people who perform so many different mental gymnastics just to stay attached to a setting that's aged like milk.
I don't really feel like "ignore everything past around 2010" counts as doing a bunch of different mental gymnastics.
>a setting that's aged like milk
No, the old stuff still stands up, if anything the new silliness has shown that the old has aged well.
The infinite age of irrelevant stalemates does not hold up well and makes the entire setting look incompetent to turn the Imperium into a Mary Sue despite every single campaign book telling us “I-I-I-it’s getting really b-b-b-bad!”
Remember every pro/anti primaris argument and/or statement is more evidence and proof that primaris should never have happened.
>is more evidence and proof that primaris should never have happened.
Done purely and only because the marketing department were apprehensive about true-scaling marines. Instead they had to come up with some bullshit for everyone to buy the new miniatures, power creep and moronic lore included.
This is the objectively correct statement about Primaris marine debate.
It's more proof that it should've happened and should happen again. Marinepiggy melties are hilarious and watching firstborn holdouts beg and plead for new models is extremely vindicating when they used to cluck and crow how other faction players should've gone with the "protagonist faction" if they wanted support. I look forward to the eventual release of Primalpha Marines, Primultra Marines and Primavera Marines to fracture the marinegay fanbase (not to mention fracturing their blistered asses) even further
>Primavera Marines
not sure if Italian, but thanks for the light kek
Who exactly did all of this?
>The depiction in Astartes was actually pretty weak tbh.
I see no reason to believe this.
You had a basic combat squad of marines chew their way past a platoon of traitor guard using small squad tactics and kill 3 witches.
It was a in-setting faithful portrayal of Space Marines doing the thing they are supposed to excel at, without any over the top stunts or wacky nonsense. I reckon it's no nonsense style is what made it better for most.
What was inaccurate was stuff like the Bolters having little to no actual explosive power. They’re supposed to be grenades - RPGs in firepower. So a SM won’t need to shoot every single member of a cultist squad, just two or three and the shrapnel and explosive shock will take care of the rest. A SM also won’t shoot a random cultist he’s snuck up behind - a sharp smack to the neck will kill him without needing to waste ammo. It’s mostly fine other than this.
It is still very accurate compared to most depictions though I’ll give you that.
they tear a guy clean in half with one shot at the start of the video
Missed that. I just remembered the parts where cultists shot kinda just keel over and die
My /k/ommando interjection:
.75 caliber bolters round would have roughly the same explosive power of explosive 12 guage rounds (enough to bust a wooden door or bust a football sized hole in a barricade). You are not going to get some big RPG or 40mm area blast. The effectiveness comes from detonating inside an organic target causing massive physical trauma. This would blow limbs off or blow open a torso but it's not going to completely gib a human target like a 90's shooter rocket launcher.
>They’re supposed to be grenades - RPGs in firepower
On what wiki did you read this? Is is 'supposed to' ever snuck up in your head? A grenade launcher has blast rule - or blast template. In the fiction a grenade launcher is described as so. A bolter is S4 rapid fire. In the fiction the 'ho no the squadmates of the target are covered in gore' is emphatic bolter porn, it doesn't state that it's an RPG (an anti-tank weapon!).
>They’re supposed to be grenades - RPGs in firepower.
Loretuber alert!
They're explosive shotgun slugs with a rocket so they don't fall out of the air halfway to the target. They physically can't fit 10% of the explosive a small grenade would have inside.
Thankfully 40k tech is magic and does not need to operate on conventional physics and therefore has no problem packing RPG firepower into bolter rounds!
See
>mines physically lifting Baneblades off the ground with their firepower
>Leman Russ armour surviving a shot that physically slid it several meters to the left
>Lasguns having the firepower of .50cals (being able to blow off limbs) despite being charged by sunlight and campfires
>Thunderhawks surviving supersonic head-on collisions with Lightnings without any damage
>Titans carrying nuclear firepower despite using nonnuclear rounds
>radiation guns that can kill anything biological within seconds by mere proximity
>Custodes which can physically destroy a tank with a kick
>warships that can destroy continents with broadsides
And so on. I could provide citations for all the above if asked
>Thunderhawks
Stormbird actually but the rest is true
>Posts examples of bad and inconsistent writing from black library
There are numerous examples of these marines who are able to dodge bullets and juggle cars being killed in single combat by a physically unremarkable human. At least the game systems whether tabletop, epic, FFR, or WANG are consistent in power levels.
>Who exactly did all of this?
Marinepiggies all over the web
This
GW should have made them regular SM wearing new patter of armour..but noo, greed took over and now you have to BUY NEW ARMY.. because regular marines are getting replaced.
I hate the amount of mary sue treatment they're getting nowadays..
the gaymaris vehicles are so horrid that primarisgays just leave them out of the debate altogether
How can anyone refute a statement so correct?
They shouldn't have happened, the way they happened.
That being a new character showing up and saying, "Hey, i made better spess marines, and have several armies worth stocked up."
No one would even question if they'd just been, "Here're the new Spess Marine models." But they wants to advance the lore, even though stagnancy and decay are basically the next tag lines after "only war."
For the average person who isn't currently a Space Marine player, there is no Primaris vs. firstborn controversy. They're all just Space Marines.
Hell, it's not even the biggest change in terms of the aesthetic of the minis. Yeah, the Primaris are a bit large and more tacticool, but they're much more similar to the plastic marines that came before them than those plastic marines were to the original metal models from the first decade of the game.
The problem is that it's the exact opposite (wouldn't want to accuse you of being disingenuous).
Metal and plastic manlets are interchangeable, Primaris are different units in fluff and game.
Good point, it's the 'forced obselence to make you buy again' tactic turned up to 11. At least the pre-primaris stuck to the same design (Tactical, Assault, Devastator) and different versions could be mixed or interchanged. I wouldnt be surprised if GW does it again in the decade or so, releasing an even more re-imagined Space Marine that makes the Primaris outdated and incompatible. The fucjkers.
I think they'll just keep doing the incremental height increases to make old units look off.
>it's the 'forced obselence to make you buy again' tactic turned up to 11
It's the standard rotation they've always coveted.
This is a lie plenty parts of the Intercessors kit always had interchangeability with Tacticals or Primaris
Yeah, like the helmets and shoulder pads
That's it
Oops?
The only thing that’s not interchangeable is the legs and chest what are you talking about
>but they're much more similar to the plastic marines that came before them than those plastic marines were to the original metal models from the first decade of the game.
Except the modern plastic Tactical squad came with options for those old helmets and studded shoulder pads and had some legs in that style, the only things that really changed aesthetically were the weapons, so no.
>For the average person
I don't care about normalgays who don't buy the models or play the games
It's as moronic as saying a Gundam and an Optimus Prime look the same to most people so if just swap the colors no one could tell the difference
This intro always struck me as way more appropriate for a Guard unit than Space Marines, what with the 100% casualties to take a hill and raise a banner and the 'CHARGE YOU PIG FRICKERS' tactics.
Most of the early iconic space marine art pieces are desperate last stands on hills
I mean more that this last stand is completely unnecessary. They know reinforcements are inbound, and the dread linking up with the main unit makes their current dug-in position tenable against another ork charge or two, they could literally just wait for the other dudes to climb up the greenskins' collective asses.
I bet those orks felt the closest thing to love for another species though when the Blood Ravens decided to fricking charge instead.
>why aren’t the chainsaw wielding “gene super soldiers” using proper tactics against the orcs
Being stupid and cool is the entire appeal of 40k
>They know reinforcements are inbound
raising the banner is what allows the reinforcements to arrive, it's the equivalent of deploying teleport homers and landing beaconsl. in-game it's literally capturing an objective that grants victory points.
40k is a wargame where you win by accomplishing objectives, it's not halo team deathmatch
>halo team deathmatch
They're meant to be overwhelming force against key targets in asymmetric wars, but the best examples of this has been by people not working for/on GW product.
>dying to deploy a flag that is clearly a signal to the drop pods is cringe
>dying to activate a teleportation beacon for terminators is based and realistic tactics
Primarisgays desperate.
>Ye of olde, thus of nov
I marines are for sad losers who can't read the mood of the 40k setting.
what now? will you look in the mirror to see your hypocrisy or cry in denial about how your marines are different from those marines in way that totally matter?
Tbh i preferred when space marines could be depicted as actually losing and having a hard time. Fit the setting better
the new edition's trailer is all about them losing spectacularly
>Once saw someone ask if a Neurotyrant really could beat a librarian like that, as if Shadow in the Warp and such wouldn’t have fricked that librarian before the fight even began
Nothing made me happier than one of the emperor's golden dildos getting absolutely bodied by a giant space bug.
>golden
?
I do like that part though.
>who would win?
>Internet Historian
>vs.
>A massive alien brain
Wasn't that specific fight. Was the introduction of the other new space bug, in which is ambushes and bodies a force that contained a custard stain.
All the video game adaptations of SM are very unimpressive I feel. They never felt transhuman or impossible fast and strong or whatever. They were more just tall guys lumbering about in big armour
That's all they are.
Not really. Space marines are supposed to be inhumanly fast/agile with gigabrain IQ and centuries of experience in combat tactics, as well as the obvious strength and power armour. It's very rarely done justice to, sadly. It's why I don't like them as protagonists or POV characters. They should feel like an impersonal force of nature.. In an RPG context I treat them as environmental hazards that, when they show up, the human PCs just have to hunker down and survive the massive amounts of collateral damage while the ostensible enemy gets dramatically shredded.
Not every space marine is a captain or chapter master
No, but by the time they're past being a scout they're beyond the point your average guardsman would have retired and spent most of that fighting, recovering from a fight, or travelling to a fight.
Even the most basic Marine should be able to run at like 80mph with even better reaction times. He should be able to slaughter hundreds of humans unarmed (assuming they are unarmed too, of course).
Just like my Japanese animes
>Space marines are supposed to be inhumanly fast/agile
That was always fricking moronic. Leave being I humanly fast and agile to the Eldar to whom it actually fits.
>Space marines are supposed to be inhumanly fast/agile
No the frick they aren't, secondary. Read real lore, stop watching youtubers reading from fricking wikis.
They are fairly terrifying forces of nature as featured in salvations reach, and the scenes involving chaos space marines and eisenhorn in bequin. While Chaos may have a slight hand in it, I'm sure I remember the CSM fighting almost too fast for the human eye to follow.
All melee combat is 'too fast for the eye to follow.' Visit a HEMA gym. Try boxing.
The space marines are fast meme began as 30k writers using tank analogies from the world wars. Transhumand dread is merely tank shock on WW1 conscripts. OMG he's fast!1 is just 'he's as fast as a normal soldier instead of encumbered by 400lb of armor.'
It is kinda hilarious how all the obviously propaganda statements of old lore became base-line reality of new lore.
This. I thought the only thing capable of killing genestealers on a space hulk was a dwindling number of terminators.
As muxh as gw annoys me, scale creep is in many many games.
>All melee combat is 'too fast for the eye to follow.'
Lol.
>Transhumand dread is merely tank shock on WW1 conscripts.
So Space Marines aren't genetically engineered? Or they just don't have the most obvious enhancement you would give a cybernetic solider in ranged combat?
This is your periodic reminder ordinary Ogryns canonically defeat multiple Chaos Space Marine Terminators in melee.
That sounds like bullshit. Idig ogryns ripping normal marines arms of and so on but not termies. That bloody armour is supposed to be nigh indestructible.
Marines are genetically engineered eunuchs. They're no match for natty muscle.
And a 100% human Commisar beat Khornate Berserkers in melee combat.
Gaunts ghosts. Yeah and a single guardsman blew up a chaos dread. good point to why BL is fanfiction
They should read more ww2 stories, weird stuff happened all the time but at least it was feasible. There is like a bunch of things grenades might do other than what is intended. A lasgun might blow a tank tread or eyepiece
And here's my periodic reminder that ordinary ogryns are as strong as fricking primarchs as per their tabletop stats
Ogryn supremacy. We need more books about ogryns going full primarch on unsuspecting CSM.
Who would win?
>the very apex of mankind's bioengineering
>literal drooling morons
The emperor was actually really, really bad at everything.
Ogryn were created by DaoT genetic engineering, they may be stupid but those muscles were sculpted by the kind of technology that the Mechanicus can only dream about.
Space Marines aren't the apex. They're a kludged together baroque jalopy of future third world tech plugged into mass produced grunts.
High tech hive worlds build almost-as-good stuff in their backyards and Assassins mog marines with the same techbase and no warp juice.
reported
makes sense to me. They shared a stat block with ork warbosses for decades
>All melee combat is 'too fast for the eye to follow.
Except its not, if it was so you would not be able to block, nor would the judges be able to decide afterblows.
>All melee combat is 'too fast for the eye to follow.' Visit a HEMA gym. Try boxing
In SM it’s less “too fast to react to” like in irl fights but more “you’re dead before you process the movement unless you have exceptional reaction times yourself”.
I read the actual novels. A Bolter could easily fit equivalent explosive power to a modern RPG with its far superior tech. We literally have examples of mines bodily lifting Baneblades into the air with their firepower.
The "actual novels" have instances of ork boyz with mundane spears piercing through power armor. They can be safely disregarded.
Yes, the green monsters as physically strong as unarmoured Space Marines using spears empowered by their psychic gestalt field can pierce power armour. How shocking! This means we can safely disregard every single novelisation and only use the equally contradictory codex and rule books as fact!
They're specifically not as strong as space marines you moron.
>empowered by their psychic gestalt field
Dumb redditor.
Fulgrim:
>Solomon wouldn't have given the matter a second thought against any other foe, but the greenskin warriors were monstrous brutes whose strength was very nearly the equal of an Astartes warrior. Their central nervous systems were so primitive that they took a great deal of punishment before they lay down and stopped fighting.
>A greenskin warrior was not the equal of an Astartes by any means, but they had enough raw aggression to make up for it, and they had numbers on their side.
They are nearly equal in physical strength. And even if there is a single stupid showing so what? Do we disregard all of Abnett’s stuff (as much as I wished perpetual didn’t exist) because CS Gotto also wrote 40k stuff? No. So we shouldn’t disregard several hundred novels because of your one dumb example
Nobs are their equals, not boyz, you moron.
>Do we disregard all of
Yes, we disregard all of this drizzling shit.
I believe the example provided was specifically of Boys, not Nobs.
>Yes, we disregard all of this drizzling shit.
So the only stuff that matters is the codex and rulebooks in your mind?
I always red nobz as somewhat better then a normal space marine- stronger and more innately resilient and yet much dumber and not aware of its weaknesses. While he rips a marine to bits in a fair figh, nobs rarely get one since marines are much more inteligent.
>They are nearly equal in physical strength.
All you newbies should know that the shit you're quoting was most likely written when Space Orks had S3 and marines had S4.
>I read the actual novels.
Never a good idea. What you are reading is lazy slop produced by underpaid and uncaring freelancers who'll throw in whatever crap they need to in order to make their jobs easier.
>impossible fast and strong
Because they aren't, that's internet telephone game meme fanfiction. A Space Marine is only as strong as an Ork, they're slower than Eldar and Tyranids, they aren't "impossibly" anything except psychologically resilient to fear. A big part of the grimdarkness of the setting is how Space Marines are these roided up augmented human supersoldiers in the best armour and STILL are a dying breed that can't keep up recruitment with their dwindling numbers as they get fricking slaughtered all the time by even more powerful and deadly things than themselves.
You both seem to be taking tabletop as lore when it very much is not. Most BL books depict the average SM as lifting several tons unarmoured, and capable of running as fast as a car on a highway, with reaction times swift enough to kill a human being before they can process an attack in melee.
Tabletop nerfs everything. See everything on tabletop being killable by a handful of guardsman with lasguns
Depends on the writer. Depictions range from a single SM being the equal of a dozen men in a straight fight (almost lorebreakingly weak) to a hundred men (probably more where they should be) to a thousand men (significantly stronger than most lore depicts them as).
A SM squad will still kill significantly more than the number of men they are “equal” to thanks to force concentration and greater mobility
I think the (FFG) RPG stats do them best justice. Your average Space Marine is over twice as strong and tough as an average regular human, but only around 30% more agile, fast or intelligent (and their actual knowledge and area of expertise is mostly limited to stuff they need on the battlefield)
>You both seem to be taking tabletop as lore when it very much is not.
The original stats from the first few editions absolutely are, the lore and rules were written by the same guys back then. BL isn't lore, it's fricking fanfic. It didn't even exist when Space Marines were created, it didn't exist for 10 fricking years, and none of the shitty low-quality writers they employ these days apart from a very select few (Fehervari is godlike) should be taken as canon for anything. Almost none of them even worked their when the creators of the setting, the lore, the space marines and everything else, did.
>run as fast as a car on a highway
Get the frick out of here you blithering moron.
>it didn’t exist then
It does now
>it’s fanfic
Source?
NTA but you're a lobotomized monkey. Source? Motherfricker look at the names on the covers. On the codices it's the name of the creators of 40k, on the books it's passer-by ganged press into writing for a setting they didn't knew about 20 seconds ago.
A good rule is when some starts by writing "[X] is supposed to" then they learned about 40k by watching loretubers (fanfiction) reading wikis (fanfiction) about BL novels (fanfiction).
>its fan fic because I say so
Everytime
Who are you again?
Everyone who isnt brainwashed by a fricking advert made to encourage you to buy more toy soldiers. That's all the current lore is, an over the top advert aimed at braindead consumers.
A lot of words to say you’re schizophrenic. That or you unironically believe there was a time in history in which companies existed for a purpose other than making money in which case you’re just moronic. Man this isn’t looking good for you either way
And you are a non-sentient rock. Anon says that you reference the advert instead of just reading the codex.
My guy, the only actual canon for Warhammer *are* the Army Books and Codices. They're the only lore that matters because that's the lore GW itself sells directly.
Black Library and Forge World are offshoots of GW, and their place in the 'tiers of canon' used by Warhammer reflect that. They are secondary to the primary product, and whenever something gets ported to GW proper, it *will* be distorted to fit the TT.
RPGs and Vidya, by their very nature, are tertiary shit, GW unwilling to fully acknowledge them unless they know it's certified profit. Never forget back in the day, GW weren't fans of the Blood Ravens, and Titus was left adrift for years until GW decided that, since Primaris are a thing now and Lieutenants are back on the TT, they can fix the continuity snarl Space Marine created.
>They never felt transhuman or impossible fast and strong or whatever.
Marines were created through a decade long process of genetic engineering and surgical and cybernetic augmentation L's in order to allow baseline humans the chance to compete with how xenos wake up in the morning without any effort. An Ork is strong enough to rip space marines limb from limb and can smash through power armor with a Choppa that's just a massive un-powered hunk of metal. Non-augmented abhuman Ogryns are physically stronger than a space marine in power armor in both fluff and on tabletop.
Marine speed is a meme. They ride in Rhinos for a reason, they're not fricking Eldar who literally dodge bullets and lasers and have a million tricksy fire and fade movement shenanigans in gameplay.
Marines are better than guardsmen, the idea that a regular ass space marine in default power armor is some golden god who is beyond reproach is pure secondary fanwank that's never been true in fluff or crunch. If you want that degree of masturbatory fantasy go play custards
Did you watch the Astartes videos
Funniest part about that greentext is that the anon probably could have named at least 10 examples of something like that actually happening in capeshit
Funny but sad when you think about it.
Nobody reading that
Manlets, will they ever learn?
Who ever wrote this didn't exactly think, about what space marines are did they?
dude, 8th edition was years ago. let it go.
no
>a shitpost so nice I'll make it twice!
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/%3EPrimaris%20Marines%20will%20never%20have%20this%20kind%20of%20introduction/
Now post how many times jumpchain, lewd rpg, ___ slave wat do, stat him, and cyoa threads have been posted
I will never understand the sort of person that just continues to remake garbage threads. What’s even supposed to be the point??
He didn't get enough (you)s in /40kg/ so he needed to make his own thread and bump it constantly. Blame jannies for being more invested in making sure nobody says mean things about Thirsty Sword Lesbians or Lancer rather than doing their job.
Where did his backpack go?
Gifted to the Blood Ravens.
Gets ripped off when a Dreadnought explodes nearby few seconds earlier, IIRC. Bit of an odd decision on the part of whoever was directing the cutscene though.
>play non-space marines army
>one of my units gets redesigned
>marinegays tell me to stop being autistic and whining
>marinegays get one of their units redesigned (and given a different name)
>they feel the need to cry about this nonstop for years and years with no end in sight
no sympathy
>started after primaris
They're just Scale-creep Marines with words added to potentially make a stronger copyright claim.
Primaris were literally only there to bring true scale to the models.. Marines should have been that size from the start. The "lore" around them is the dumbest shit in the world, holy shit am I glad I stopped played 40k before that nonsense. GW handled that in the dumbest way possible, pretending that old scale models would always be valid, only to phase them out. They should have ripped that bandaid off years earlier. Now, we have garbage scale CSM who suddenly aren't the same as regular marines for literally no reason.
TLDR, GW is dumb and should have just replaced the old marines wholesale.
You realize they basically true-scaled the Chaos Space Marines right? Oh wait you don't, because you're a nogames nomodels homosexual.
not him, but the true-scaled CSM are smaller than gaymaris. But taller than firstborn. Which they are.
The only models that needed a scale change to make absolutely everything the correct scale was guardsman, they needed to be smaller and then everything could have been left as it was.
But no.
We didn't even get the compromise of new tactical squads of the same size as the Dark Vengeance Chaos Marines.
>the tabletop is inaccurate to displaying how strong marines are
>the codex is inaccurate for displaying how strong marines are
>the videogame is inaccurate for displaying how strong marines are
>the black library books are inaccurate for displaying how strong marines are
>the true canon display of marine strength is an argument I saw on Ganker about how a marine could kill masterchief with a 2 second clip from Astartes
why are marinegays like this?
>a marine could kill masterchief with a 2 second clip from Astartes
Heh.
my god
WH40k lore is its own in-universe propaganda. Space marines aren't that good but there is a state-sponsored message contained in the franchise's cultural products which convinces people otherwise.
The codex and BL are the most accurate. The depiction in Astartes was actually pretty weak tbh.
I could provide a list of books where marines are depicted as running at like 80mph and lifting tons and whatnot. I don’t know why tabletoppers get their undies in such a twist over this
Eh to be fair that's a lot of factions except for intentionally fragile ones like Guard. I say this as a primarily Necron player who can't just mass instant reanimate like in Dark Crusade.
40k peaked in the DOW1 era (2004-2010)
>the secondary outs himself
Chaos Primaris Marines any day now.
dont ask questions
just consume new product
and wait for next product
I like tacticool marines, when I last played choice was very limited.
>I actually feel primaris are for sad losers who can't read the mood of the 40k setting.
buddy, 40k is the setting for sad losers
>And I see why GW updated the Marines with Primaris. The new Primaris kits are wonderful. Especially the Black Templars that I collected. And I'm looking forward to seeing all these new kits coming up. I don't think the answer is to be salty about them. And that's the boomerine. Being salty about new stuff instead of proud of the old stuff.
While I disagree with your opinion on the Primaris looking good (and really I'm not a fan of the direction a lot of recent kits have taken, though that's another rant entirely), I agree with the sentiment. My own issues with GW lies the retirement of the old stuff, though I understand that a production line can only maintain so much differentiation in products before it starts to choke. What I suspect is that GW wanted to free up a bunch of injection molding machinery to help alleviate their supply chain and production issues, so chopping a bunch of old stuff from the store helps with that.
I also hate how predatory the release grind is, but I'm also no longer hooked into that machine and I was never a meta-chaser anyways, so it does not affect me at all.
I definitely agree with you that retiring out the firstborn wasn't the way to go. And it has put an ultimatum on marines players to keep updating their kits. And the release schedule is predatory, even if one doesn't chase meta. There's a rotation of always new products to go buy, and if you don't beat up the goblin in your brain that always wants new stuff, you'll get a big pile of grey. And it also exaggerates GW's current production and distribution problems.
Like I can't buy War Dogs for my Chaos Knights kits. It's nuts. And it's to the point where kits for them are scalped to double MSRP. That's not acceptable. And part of the problem is the release schedule, which is compounding on the production and distribution problems.
And all of this results in lost hobbyists. And that's potential friends for me to play with who never stay in the hobby to play. And hell yeah, old marines.
Give it time.
Original Marines didn't have that kind of introduction until like 30 years after they were made.
I like the proportions on Primaris marines more. They look like they could actually sprint.
the only chance is if they make a new dawn of war game with primarino blood ravens.
the problem is that warhammer changed tone, from being heroic, mysterious and with strong feelings that would bring to cool outcomes. It became "over nihilistic, subversive and went ahead to kill the mystery "thanks HH of BL"
>transhuman dread!!!
>too fast to see!!!
>they're invincible dude!
Here is a story from a codex, the highest canon, of a literal child killing a space marine with a broken lance
I remember this story. This and the bit about the possessed Chaos Space Marine was what really got me hooked on 40k once, long ago, in a different time.
This one? They really don't make these books like they used to, every page has such incredible art and fluff
No, the one I'm thinking of is from the 3rd edition rulebook, talking about the experience of having the daemon reshape his flesh, being able to see souls, and some other stuff.
>I-it happened in a first edition codex 25 years ago therefore it’s still canon today and can be used to disregard all of the hundreds of things that contradict it since!1!1!1!
>i-it contradicts this noncanon toilet paper therefore it's hecking WRONG!!!
4th ed?
A child with a broken lance killing a Space Marine because the Space Marine's armour had a hole in it and he was distracted fighting a horde of daemons and a Chaos Space Marine at the same time is much less impressive than it sounds.
When I was 14, I was 6'3'' and 250 pounds. That's about what I would expect from someone who "takes no insult from any man".