punching that homosexual in the face is more enjoyable
I'd gladly take this guy out for some punch, if you get what I'm saying.
What stops you from doing just that?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for that (my reasoning is that I don't live in the US, and the cost of the ticket isn't worth it).
What's the point of doing a nuzlocke if they're not going to grind? Too scared their precious pokemon might die to a wild linoone?
Might as well just use a cheat to get all gym badges if they're going to ignore the experience
Except he was playing Emerald Kaizo where grinding IS hard. Many routes are filled with shadow tag wobbuffet, explosion spammers, and status spammers to make grinding as difficult as possible.
And that's why he would never grind in these routes but on route 102 instead. And that's tedious.
Except he was playing Emerald Kaizo where grinding IS hard. Many routes are filled with shadow tag wobbuffet, explosion spammers, and status spammers to make grinding as difficult as possible.
So instead of doing the intended challenge because the maker of Emerald Kaizo put it there, he just uses rare candies to bypass that challenge? Yeah that makes total sense.
Yeah it makes no fricking sense, I'm sure people want to watch Kaizo nutzlocke because they want to see how nutzlockers OVERCOME those challenges
while that homosexual just cheats levels lmao
in vanilla EK, once you get the harbor mail in lilycove, you can farm money in the casino and grind levels with the daycare, before any of that actually comes up during grinding. not an argument
it's a significant part of the challenge, and if you're a "professional nutslocker" you should show everything on your stream while entertaining your viewers instead of cheating the levels and recoveries like a moron
it feels weird that i even have to explain something so obvious, holy shit
also no speed up to make it 100% legit.
emerald kaizo hardcore nuzlocke: still incomplete
race: still on
Why is it so impossible for the autists in this board to understand that these people aren't even trying to play the same type of game as (You) when you did your one nuzlocke like 6 years ago that you quit halfway through? While these spergs are doing their hardcore Struggle only nuzlocke of Kaizo Barbedwireinurethra Brilliant Emerald 2.0?
They don't want to grind their shitty Ponyta to lvl 20 for the 50th time after wiping to Wattson with a shiny Mega Rayquaza yet again. They aren't trying to "recapture the magic of the original comic and bond with their team". They're trying to hammer through the intentionally bullshit game through the sheer power of autism and damage calcs.
I fricking hate the "professional nuzlocker" dude but rare candies are the least of his problems
>Grinding isn't hard, but it needs to be made easier
Professional Nuzlocker as a term is fricking dumb just by principle alone. How i see it is nuzlocking is a fun side challenge at best and isn't something Professional level gameplay looks like just in general.
not to mention how hacking in rare candies not only eliminates half the enjoyment of gameplay but cuts risk out of the game as well. "oh no I lost this mon I just rare candied up for this fight glad I didn't spend time actually grinding RESET TIME."
Anyone that finds modern nuzlockes entertainment is brain fried that can't enjoy older style nuzlockes that still do episodic formats and more about the personality with the tragic hits of a plan they might make during regular gameplay.
tl;dr solo "pros" are mechanical savvy but not real risk takers and keep shit safe to "save time"
duo YouTube episodic nuzlockers take real risks with shitmons and have a better time grinding while shooting the shit.
EXP growth rates is an intended mechanic and slow growths are supposed to act as a negative for trying to use a stronger mon in-game vs. a weaker mon with a faster EXP growth rate, it's something people who actually play the game have to consider when talking about "in-game viability" or the like and why stuff like Clefable is considered a god mon in-game meanwhile competitively good mons like Snorlax aren't all that great. Cheating to raise your levels equally regardless of growth rate with unintended Rare Candies = you didn't beat the game.
Isn't nuzlocke what pikasprey does? You have to make the game as unbeatable as possible?
And if you manage to make Rage miss 20 times to struggle in RBY, you can call yourself a professional nuzlocker?
Having tons of rare candies is not.
i agree nutslock bros, how's your progress coming along? i've done 3 months of route 101 swap grinding, how do i know if i'm emotionally attached enough to my team to handle wattson?
all you're doing is making a ridiculous statement to prove your point.
using rare candies defeats half of the game so why are you playing it anyway at that point.
rare is in the name you aren't supposed to have infinite numbers of them at the start.
but grinding on level 2 wurmples is what i like about the game, it's all about the battles. why not extend it as much as possible so i can bond with my pokemon? you should play the game more tbqh
9 months ago
Anonymous
Based nutslocker. You really feel that emotional bond with your Pokemon when you train them for a year to beat Flannery, and you lose 4 of them. There's no other feeling like it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
damn, only a year? i think you're cheating with rare candies dude
9 months ago
Anonymous
Fine, you caught me. I accidentally did some grinding on Route 103 and fought some optional trainers.
9 months ago
Anonymous
i knew it homosexual. not a real nutslock, restart the run
>nuzlockes became popular for encouraging players to use new mons and grow attached to them >autists optimized the purpose out of it anyway >claim to do so "professionally"
this is why nutslocks are becoming more popular by the day
"Nutslock" is probably a word that stuck to you after bullies from school made you lick their sweaty, salty testicles, eh?
Dude, you are seething and pissing yourself FOR THREE MONTHS here and make it pretty obvious that it's you because nobody else would invent such a non-word "insult". You act like 8yo. I guess Jan's reputation of groomer seems correct if this is representation of his fans.
yeah i'm "seething" while i've been grinding and playing the game. what have you been doing?
There appears to be some confusion between a nuzlocke and a nutslock. Here are the rules of a nutslock: >Same ruleset as hardcore. >You can only battle the wild Pokemon with the lowest level and lowest exp yield, and spread it between 6 Pokemon to yield the least exp possible. For example, in RSE, this would be level 2 Wurmples, which would give you 11/6 = 1 exp for each Pokemon. >All optional trainers must be skipped. If you accidentally battle one, reset. >Rare Candies, exp candies, and any other alternative forms of exp gain are not allowed. >You and your entire team must have the emotional bond and strength to take on the next battle. They'll let you know when they're ready. >Speed up and emulators are banned. It's impossible to get emotionally attached to fake Pokemon in a fake game.
Why don't you just cheat all eight badges so you won't risk any pokemon dying, since that's the main reason why you're so scared of grinding in the tall grass
that's what i'm saying. everyone knows the hard, interesting, and fun part people want to watch is grinding levels, so i'm pushing it to the extreme. but yeah, gym battles are boring and entirely skippable, i'll consider that in my ruleset next time
>Challenge where the entire point is that your pokemon can faint at any time including the grinding process >Skip the grinding process because
At this point you're not even nuzlocking, you're just boss rushing
No, people want to watch nutzlockers overcome problems and challenges like losing a Pokémon or a hard fight, and show them how they do the run. Cheating skips 99% of the challenges and says, I don’t struggle, I just cheat a level and go from gym to gym.
>dumb samegayging c**t can't read
lol, i already agreed with you numerous times. i'm gonna go grind route 101 now, see ya
9 months ago
Anonymous
Risk reward. You choose the longer more time consuming option because it’s safer than farming higher level pokemon.
Time investment is always part of games
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Time investment is always part of games
It is. But if it is optional why would choose to waste your time? I just think the rare candy hack is a QoL feature, I don't consider it cheating. If you do, well you do what you feel right to do, but I am not going to choose the time waste over the candies. I don't see the point at all if there is a riskless way of grinding anyway. Also using rare candies do not give EV-s to my Pokemon during grinding, so it actually makes the game a bit harder.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're ignoring that the vast majority of stat points come from evolving and leveling, not EVs.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>But if it is optional why would choose to waste your time?
Because it's safer farming against lower level pokemon. You give up a faster time and go a safer route. Rare candies completely negate this entire mechanic.
You also completely throw away exp rate of pokemon. Dratini is harder to train than rattatta, so it's a slower exp grind.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Dratini is harder to train than rattatta, so it's a slower exp grind.
I know. Same for magikarp. But I just put my magikarp into the daycare and run around in Goldenrod City and XP rate doesn't matter anymore. Same thing as using rare candies at that point.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's still a time investment. The daycare doesn't magically raise you pokemons levels whenever you want, it's set on a timer so you don't abuse the mechanic.
You can hack rare candies if you want, but don't get cranky if people say it's not a true nuzlocke.
No, people want to watch nutzlockers overcome problems and challenges like losing a Pokémon or a hard fight, and show them how they do the run. Cheating skips 99% of the challenges and says, I don’t struggle, I just cheat a level and go from gym to gym.
I play better to minimize losses because of the punishment that comes with losing a pokemon. have you ever played Fire Emblem before? it’s permadeath, so when you lose a unit you have to train another one from scratch. imagine if you can rare candy another pegasus knight up to snuff after your current one dies
Speaking of cheats >Perform the sequence to get 8F correctly >Deposit Mew in box 1, start the ACE ritual to make it pass Bank and Home >Throw in shininess too while I'm at it >Mildly nervous because I don't want to frick anything up >Complete all instructions, check on Mew >It's set to box 2, oh frick >Switch to box 1 and check on Mew >No changes >Check box 2 >Mewtwo was the first Pokemon there, and the ID correctly changed, but the OT now says "IF" instead of mine or GF
Goddamn it.
Professional Nuzlocker as a term is fricking dumb just by principle alone. How i see it is nuzlocking is a fun side challenge at best and isn't something Professional level gameplay looks like just in general.
not to mention how hacking in rare candies not only eliminates half the enjoyment of gameplay but cuts risk out of the game as well. "oh no I lost this mon I just rare candied up for this fight glad I didn't spend time actually grinding RESET TIME."
Anyone that finds modern nuzlockes entertainment is brain fried that can't enjoy older style nuzlockes that still do episodic formats and more about the personality with the tragic hits of a plan they might make during regular gameplay.
tl;dr solo "pros" are mechanical savvy but not real risk takers and keep shit safe to "save time"
duo YouTube episodic nuzlockers take real risks with shitmons and have a better time grinding while shooting the shit.
I do not have much experience with nuzlocke runs (I only tried them once or twice in my life) but I came to similar conclusions as you. I always regarded nuzlocke as a challenge testing player's skill and patience while also giving him a chance to bond with his team. Both of these aspects feel a bit devalued when player decides to reduce time spent with his team and fill his Pokemon with candies to avoid consequences. I understand that grinding feels boring especially to people who treat their hobby as a job but this feels really contradictory...
This reminds me of the whole VGC problem that happened this year. At some point, people started treating this franchise so seriously. They consider playing Pokemon more of a hassle than a pleasure because they only have their goals in mind - not a road that leads to this goal.
I do not have much experience with nuzlocke runs (I only tried them once or twice in my life) but I came to similar conclusions as you. I always regarded nuzlocke as a challenge testing player's skill and patience while also giving him a chance to bond with his team. Both of these aspects feel a bit devalued when player decides to reduce time spent with his team and fill his Pokemon with candies to avoid consequences. I understand that grinding feels boring especially to people who treat their hobby as a job but this feels really contradictory...
This reminds me of the whole VGC problem that happened this year. At some point, people started treating this franchise so seriously. They consider playing Pokemon more of a hassle than a pleasure because they only have their goals in mind - not a road that leads to this goal.
EXP growth rates is an intended mechanic and slow growths are supposed to act as a negative for trying to use a stronger mon in-game vs. a weaker mon with a faster EXP growth rate, it's something people who actually play the game have to consider when talking about "in-game viability" or the like and why stuff like Clefable is considered a god mon in-game meanwhile competitively good mons like Snorlax aren't all that great. Cheating to raise your levels equally regardless of growth rate with unintended Rare Candies = you didn't beat the game.
He looks like a crossbreed between homeless guy and rape-centric gay pornstar. I feel bad for him just by looking at his hairstyle. Is this how this works? People are watching him because they are pity of how pathetic he looks?
This guy runs a sock account on Twitter where he defends himself against "haters". It's like one of those gimmick accounts ("people whining about Elon Musk") but about himself. 100% he's the owner, because who would run a fan account about a nuzlocker?
Found it. >https://twitter.com/pchalbrainlets
One time he had a meltdown about Clover, how it was bad and stuff. Once he saw the streisand effect, seethed some more and deleted. Funny stuff.
If you think that's pathetic, you should've seen him hitting on hot cosplayers by saying stuff like >AWOOOGA! H-Have you ever heard of n-nuzlocke challenges?
And yes, he added the stutters. Sadly, I don't have the screenshots anymore.
LMAO >Make new rules to make the game more difficult because pokemon games are too easy >Has to cheat to win
Guess the game wasn't so easy after all :^)
Pokémon challenges ruined nuzlockes and romhacks. Every rom hack has to be some shitty calc fest with smogon shits in the first gym. I don’t nuzlocke nowadays because I really hate having to calc every hit and to use all these resources, just to lose because the game removes all counterplay.
Why is it so impossible for the autists in this board to understand that these people aren't even trying to play the same type of game as (You) when you did your one nuzlocke like 6 years ago that you quit halfway through? While these spergs are doing their hardcore Struggle only nuzlocke of Kaizo Barbedwireinurethra Brilliant Emerald 2.0?
They don't want to grind their shitty Ponyta to lvl 20 for the 50th time after wiping to Wattson with a shiny Mega Rayquaza yet again. They aren't trying to "recapture the magic of the original comic and bond with their team". They're trying to hammer through the intentionally bullshit game through the sheer power of autism and damage calcs.
I fricking hate the "professional nuzlocker" dude but rare candies are the least of his problems
No, what it boils down to is they need to pump these things out at a steady pace to monetize their ebin playthroughs. It's not a skill showcase, or a love thing. Its their job.
Several speedrunning communities allow "cheating" with stuff like race files which cut out stuff that does demand skill but is deemed tedious enough to be worth cutting out
it's a significant part of the challenge, and if you're a "professional nutslocker" you should show everything on your stream while entertaining your viewers instead of cheating the levels and recoveries like a moron
it feels weird that i even have to explain something so obvious, holy shit
>click surf arbitrary number of times in victory road to get Pokémon to the needed level to beat E4 >hard
Also reminder that speedup and daycare leveling is a thing, so don’t pretend Xp is finate and requires battling
Exactly. Once you get to the daycare you just put on a movie while you run up and down for hours for riskless grinding. Now ioth rare candies you get the same effect just didn't waste your valuable time. Rare candy pill is one of the best thing that happened to eliminate time wasting.
I didn't see no rule that prevents you eliminating time waste. I have only seen first encounter per route, permadeath and must nickname rules. Where is the anti-rare candy rule? Where is the specific rule that prohibits you speeding up the game? Because as I said, daycare exists. That is riskless grinding. Same thing.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Anon there's a difference between putting a pokemon in the daycare and having to take steps for EXP and hacking Rare Candies into the game and mass leveling. The entire point of a nuzlocke is that your pokemon are at risk, you've eliminated the risk.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No, there isn't any difference at all. You take steps in a city while your Pokemon sits in the daycare, you literally not engaging in any battle, how is that a risk? Is there a 0,00001% chance that your Pokémon faints in the daycare? No? Then it is the same as hacking in rare candy, I didn't eliminate no risk. And since usually you enforce level caps you don't "mass level". You are not rare candy Pokémon to lvl100 for the second gym.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Instantly having your pokemon at full power vs having to keep them in the daycare while you get enough steps >No difference
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, that is right! They are the same picture for me and for many other people.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No anon, you're just moronic. You're not even playing a nuzlocke at this point.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I do. I am following the 3 rules.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nope
9 months ago
Anonymous
Why even play RPGs period if people don't like random encounters?
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9 months ago
Anonymous
i am sorry but Yep I do.
Once this happens to you, you will always have a few antidote in your bag. I always check to have them because a sludge from a random trainer's koffing/grimer/weedle can do the same for my pokémon. It doesn't have to be a wild pokemon.
9 months ago
Anonymous
NOOOOOOOOO THIS GOES AGAINST JAN'S NARRATIVE, HURRY SISTERS, CALL NUZLOCKE'S ORIGINS A PRODUCT OF RACIST CHUDS AND SAY HOW WE'VE MOVED ON TO BECOME BETTER PEOPLE
Yeah it makes no fricking sense, I'm sure people want to watch Kaizo nutzlocke because they want to see how nutzlockers OVERCOME those challenges
while that homosexual just cheats levels lmao
You shouldn't cheat especially playing your muh brilliant emerald kaizo bullshittery 3.0, especially streaming.
because he's moronic
could have done all of that shit offscreen but no you have to sit here and watch him add the proper amount of rare candies to his pokemon
i wouldnt be surprised if shit like this exists on twitch just to launder money, who could possibly watch something so boring
I once did a randomized ORAS nuzlocke. My starter was Mareep. The part where Steven gives you a mega stone based on your starter, I hacked that out and changed it to the Ampharos one.
But other than that, I never do rare candy bullshit.
>nuzlockes became popular for encouraging players to use new mons and grow attached to them >autists optimized the purpose out of it anyway >claim to do so "professionally"
There appears to be some confusion between a nuzlocke and a nutslock. Here are the rules of a nutslock: >Same ruleset as hardcore. >You can only battle the wild Pokemon with the lowest level and lowest exp yield, and spread it between 6 Pokemon to yield the least exp possible. For example, in RSE, this would be level 2 Wurmples, which would give you 11/6 = 1 exp for each Pokemon. >All optional trainers must be skipped. If you accidentally battle one, reset. >Rare Candies, exp candies, and any other alternative forms of exp gain are not allowed. >You and your entire team must have the emotional bond and strength to take on the next battle. They'll let you know when they're ready. >Speed up and emulators are banned. It's impossible to get emotionally attached to fake Pokemon in a fake game.
>Entire point of a nuzlocke is to out your pokemon on the line in every battle >Train any pokemon no matter how good or bad because you don't have any other options >Hack rare candies in because that's hard and requires work
What the frick is up with this idea that you don't have to work for success in the pokemon community?
>nuzlocke
I like the idea of only catching the first pokemon to kind of scrape together a team but when my favorite one dies I get sad and play normally from there
the worst thing nuzlocke streamers do is when they do their "calcs" (battling with savestates) offscreen. most modern difficulty hacks nowadays are designed around free candies with level caps
>Beat lvl 14 gym leader >Candy'd his mons to lvl 22 because that's the next gym level >Fight all the level 14-15 route trainers with overlevel mons
Is this what he does? Because that's bullshit
No, you shouldn't do that anyway because you'd go past the level cap very early and potentially one shot your low level encounters. You want the least exp investment necessary to consistently beat trainers, not the most.
>Challenge where the entire point is that your pokemon can faint at any time including the grinding process
You literally cannot. Daycare exists. Route 1 exists. Audino exists. Every game has a riskless way to ensure grinding. It is just long. It doesn't matter if you finish the game in 3 weeks or in 3 months in the same attempt.
Frick all of the rare candy defending homosexuals in this thread right now, grinding is part of the challenge. >B-But grinding takes time! I could grind risk free on Route 1 for hours so technically it's the same if I just use rare candies, right?
No, because no one grinds on Route 1, and you know why? Because it's fricking boring. You grind where the wilds are just strong enough to give you decent exp without being an unnecessary risk. >B-But even that kind of grinding is boring! Think of how many TikToks I could watch during all that time I spend grinding! Think of all the tweets I could be reading!
Grinding is tedious and boring and that's what makes it part of the challenge, you can stop grinding any time you want and face the next boss underleveled if your time is really more valuable than being at the proper level. If your ADHD zoomer addled brain can't handle buckling down and grinding, then maybe Nuzlockes just aren't for you. If you can't make grinding entertaining for your audience then maybe being a streamer or a "professional nuzlocker" isn't for you either. Why the frick would you bother going through the process of challenging yourself in the first place if all you're going to do is remove a significant element of challenge from the game? Frick off with that shit.
I can also say frick all the anti rare candy people in this thread right now. But I am not going to because I am not an antisocial nerd like some people here and I don't care how you play a self imposed challenge in a fricking videogame. >because no one grinds on Route 1
In the early game they do if you don't want to wipe. And then they get to the daycare and a lot of people grind there becaue it is riskless. >You grind where the wilds are just strong enough to give you decent exp without being an unnecessary risk.
Well there you go. If you know that those wild Pokémon are not a risk to your team then you will have the same effect as adding the rare candy. Just later. But that doesn't change anything. It is like saying you want to buy a new car, you have the money right now, you can buy it now or you can buy it next week. The results are the same. If anything, you hurt yourself by not enjoying the car for another week. >Grinding is tedious and boring and that's what makes it part of the challenge, you can stop grinding any time you want and face the next boss underleveled if your time is really more valuable than being at the proper level.
If you are an experienced player and if you are not a complete r word than you grind until you have energy and time, save, go to sleep/work/school/wherever then you continue grinding and repeat the cycle. Then after you have all your pokémon grinded you will go defeat the next boss the next time you feel refreshed. Being something boring and tedious only delays you. Delaying has nothing to do with difficulty or any challenge since you can sleep and get refreshed between grind sessions. >you're going to do is remove a significant element of challenge from the game?
Instead you don't, since it is not a significant part. It is the most time consuming part but it is completely unnecessary for the reasons I said above.
Frick grinding.
Nah Jan paid him to put it in so he can have an easy time nuzlocking if he was the best he would grind the normal way next thing you guys would want is to be able to use Master Balls so you won't fail at catching
I genuinely cannot understand.
I don't give a shit if someone's cheating in private runs, but he's streaming.
People watch him to see how he overcomes the struggles and wins the game from nothing.
But he just cheats levels.
I don't understand.
Why do people watch him at this point? It makes no sense.
Am I moronic or is the world moronic?
If you dislike fundamental aspects of a certain challenge and won't honor them, then don't say you are doing that particular challenge. Of course, he just wants to throw an established term into his videos because that is better clickbait than admitting it's a headcanon mode.
but it's not a self imposed challenge
he's a "professional" who's suppsoed to show how to beat the challenge
if he says >ok now you spawn 999 rare candies
it makes no sense
they don't even play the game lmao
The irony with some of the anti-candygay arguments is they tell you to play the games, but have some fundamental misunderstandings of nuzlocking and the games in general. >lack of knowledge of the game being discussed >candying straight away to the next level cap >there's "risk" in putting Pokemon in the daycare
Lol. FYI modern nuzlocke hacks already give you free candies and forced level caps, so you already lost. Feel free to keep using Jan threads as your safe space.
Anti-candy people are the same people who hate on dupeclause, because you should have 6 pidgeys to make the game harder and "rerolling dupes is not a true nuzlocke". But once you sweep the game with 6 gyaradoses and 4 guts boosted raticates/swellows they call you on names because you abused the game.
>using genned rare candy
The whole point of a nuzlocke is to play the game and use the resources given to get through, what's the point if you're just gonna make a literal number game?
that is a face that needs to be punched which i will do if i ever see that homosexual in public
What stops you from doing just that?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for that (my reasoning is that I don't live in the US, and the cost of the ticket isn't worth it).
I'm (unfortunately) a NEET
What's the point of doing a nuzlocke if they're not going to grind? Too scared their precious pokemon might die to a wild linoone?
Might as well just use a cheat to get all gym badges if they're going to ignore the experience
grinding isn't hard, just tedious
Non-sequitur.
Yeah, that's part of the punishment for losing a pokemon
And that's why he would never grind in these routes but on route 102 instead. And that's tedious.
Yeah, and make sure to whip yourself in penance to our lord and savior while you're at it, you absolute fricking moron.
You dont like Nuzlockes. You like manchildren playing pokemon and screaming unfunny shit.
like jan sperging out when he doesn't get the "optimal" encounter?
Except he was playing Emerald Kaizo where grinding IS hard. Many routes are filled with shadow tag wobbuffet, explosion spammers, and status spammers to make grinding as difficult as possible.
So instead of doing the intended challenge because the maker of Emerald Kaizo put it there, he just uses rare candies to bypass that challenge? Yeah that makes total sense.
Yeah it makes no fricking sense, I'm sure people want to watch Kaizo nutzlocke because they want to see how nutzlockers OVERCOME those challenges
while that homosexual just cheats levels lmao
in vanilla EK, once you get the harbor mail in lilycove, you can farm money in the casino and grind levels with the daycare, before any of that actually comes up during grinding. not an argument
also no speed up to make it 100% legit.
emerald kaizo hardcore nuzlocke: still incomplete
race: still on
>Grinding isn't hard, but it needs to be made easier
might as well use save states
>resetting isn't hard, just tedious
i agree nutslock bros, how's your progress coming along? i've done 3 months of route 101 swap grinding, how do i know if i'm emotionally attached enough to my team to handle wattson?
Ridiculous hyperbole
wrong. more battles = more emotional attachment = the true nuzlocke experience
all you're doing is making a ridiculous statement to prove your point.
using rare candies defeats half of the game so why are you playing it anyway at that point.
rare is in the name you aren't supposed to have infinite numbers of them at the start.
but grinding on level 2 wurmples is what i like about the game, it's all about the battles. why not extend it as much as possible so i can bond with my pokemon? you should play the game more tbqh
Based nutslocker. You really feel that emotional bond with your Pokemon when you train them for a year to beat Flannery, and you lose 4 of them. There's no other feeling like it.
damn, only a year? i think you're cheating with rare candies dude
Fine, you caught me. I accidentally did some grinding on Route 103 and fought some optional trainers.
i knew it homosexual. not a real nutslock, restart the run
this is why nutslocks are becoming more popular by the day
>popular equals good
"Nutslock" is probably a word that stuck to you after bullies from school made you lick their sweaty, salty testicles, eh?
Dude, you are seething and pissing yourself FOR THREE MONTHS here and make it pretty obvious that it's you because nobody else would invent such a non-word "insult". You act like 8yo. I guess Jan's reputation of groomer seems correct if this is representation of his fans.
yeah i'm "seething" while i've been grinding and playing the game. what have you been doing?
based and factual
>Calling yourself based and factual, pretending to be another poster.
pst, there's number of posting ppl in lower right corner you illiterate mistake of nature. You can stop acting like schizo and talking to yourself.
Sorry, those rules were written by Jan in an earlier thread. I think you're the schizo here.
Why don't you just cheat all eight badges so you won't risk any pokemon dying, since that's the main reason why you're so scared of grinding in the tall grass
that's what i'm saying. everyone knows the hard, interesting, and fun part people want to watch is grinding levels, so i'm pushing it to the extreme. but yeah, gym battles are boring and entirely skippable, i'll consider that in my ruleset next time
>Challenge where the entire point is that your pokemon can faint at any time including the grinding process
>Skip the grinding process because
At this point you're not even nuzlocking, you're just boss rushing
>dumb samegayging c**t can't read
lol, i already agreed with you numerous times. i'm gonna go grind route 101 now, see ya
Risk reward. You choose the longer more time consuming option because it’s safer than farming higher level pokemon.
Time investment is always part of games
>Time investment is always part of games
It is. But if it is optional why would choose to waste your time? I just think the rare candy hack is a QoL feature, I don't consider it cheating. If you do, well you do what you feel right to do, but I am not going to choose the time waste over the candies. I don't see the point at all if there is a riskless way of grinding anyway. Also using rare candies do not give EV-s to my Pokemon during grinding, so it actually makes the game a bit harder.
You're ignoring that the vast majority of stat points come from evolving and leveling, not EVs.
>But if it is optional why would choose to waste your time?
Because it's safer farming against lower level pokemon. You give up a faster time and go a safer route. Rare candies completely negate this entire mechanic.
You also completely throw away exp rate of pokemon. Dratini is harder to train than rattatta, so it's a slower exp grind.
>Dratini is harder to train than rattatta, so it's a slower exp grind.
I know. Same for magikarp. But I just put my magikarp into the daycare and run around in Goldenrod City and XP rate doesn't matter anymore. Same thing as using rare candies at that point.
It's still a time investment. The daycare doesn't magically raise you pokemons levels whenever you want, it's set on a timer so you don't abuse the mechanic.
You can hack rare candies if you want, but don't get cranky if people say it's not a true nuzlocke.
No, people want to watch nutzlockers overcome problems and challenges like losing a Pokémon or a hard fight, and show them how they do the run. Cheating skips 99% of the challenges and says, I don’t struggle, I just cheat a level and go from gym to gym.
I play better to minimize losses because of the punishment that comes with losing a pokemon. have you ever played Fire Emblem before? it’s permadeath, so when you lose a unit you have to train another one from scratch. imagine if you can rare candy another pegasus knight up to snuff after your current one dies
If you grind in a Nuzlocke, you're undermining any sort of challenge.
Hacking in max items does that far more effectively.
Speaking of cheats
>Perform the sequence to get 8F correctly
>Deposit Mew in box 1, start the ACE ritual to make it pass Bank and Home
>Throw in shininess too while I'm at it
>Mildly nervous because I don't want to frick anything up
>Complete all instructions, check on Mew
>It's set to box 2, oh frick
>Switch to box 1 and check on Mew
>No changes
>Check box 2
>Mewtwo was the first Pokemon there, and the ID correctly changed, but the OT now says "IF" instead of mine or GF
Goddamn it.
ACE isn't cheating
Also you can easily change it back
*watching professional nuzlocker*
"Holy frick that guy is good at cheating in rare candies"
Professional Nuzlocker as a term is fricking dumb just by principle alone. How i see it is nuzlocking is a fun side challenge at best and isn't something Professional level gameplay looks like just in general.
not to mention how hacking in rare candies not only eliminates half the enjoyment of gameplay but cuts risk out of the game as well. "oh no I lost this mon I just rare candied up for this fight glad I didn't spend time actually grinding RESET TIME."
Anyone that finds modern nuzlockes entertainment is brain fried that can't enjoy older style nuzlockes that still do episodic formats and more about the personality with the tragic hits of a plan they might make during regular gameplay.
tl;dr solo "pros" are mechanical savvy but not real risk takers and keep shit safe to "save time"
duo YouTube episodic nuzlockers take real risks with shitmons and have a better time grinding while shooting the shit.
Maybe "professional" as in it's a profession, as in it's a paid occupation?
isn't that also just regular pokemon content creators then?
also I was more focused on entertainment wise should've been more clear on that.
Professional patty ched at McD's
I once paid a homeless person a dollar to tell me a joke
He is not a professional comedian
I do not have much experience with nuzlocke runs (I only tried them once or twice in my life) but I came to similar conclusions as you. I always regarded nuzlocke as a challenge testing player's skill and patience while also giving him a chance to bond with his team. Both of these aspects feel a bit devalued when player decides to reduce time spent with his team and fill his Pokemon with candies to avoid consequences. I understand that grinding feels boring especially to people who treat their hobby as a job but this feels really contradictory...
This reminds me of the whole VGC problem that happened this year. At some point, people started treating this franchise so seriously. They consider playing Pokemon more of a hassle than a pleasure because they only have their goals in mind - not a road that leads to this goal.
Holy based
"Hardcore Nuzlocke" is like an elaborate puzzle game, not your standard pokemon adventure with added stakes
Candy spam just makes trying to crack the puzzle more enjoyable
punching that homosexual in the face is more enjoyable
>hacks his nuzlockes
>defends hacking in proplay vgc
who would've thought
EXP growth rates is an intended mechanic and slow growths are supposed to act as a negative for trying to use a stronger mon in-game vs. a weaker mon with a faster EXP growth rate, it's something people who actually play the game have to consider when talking about "in-game viability" or the like and why stuff like Clefable is considered a god mon in-game meanwhile competitively good mons like Snorlax aren't all that great. Cheating to raise your levels equally regardless of growth rate with unintended Rare Candies = you didn't beat the game.
Isn't nuzlocke what pikasprey does? You have to make the game as unbeatable as possible?
And if you manage to make Rage miss 20 times to struggle in RBY, you can call yourself a professional nuzlocker?
Having tons of rare candies is not.
It's one thing to cheat, and another thing to cheat on rare candies, but for some reason the full restores pisses me off the most.
you can't use items in battle in EK and infinite pecha berries are available on r102
of all the things to get mad about jan, this dumb shit ain't it
"hardcore nuzlockes" took all the fun out of nuzlockes
This guy is a creep.
would jaiden have dinner with him
they have with alphacuck
I'd gladly take this guy out for some punch, if you get what I'm saying.
holy shit that hair and nightmare smile
I'm pretty sure he has at least three corpses in his backyard. One of them belongs to a child.
Holy shit he looks way uglier irl
Why's his forehead so massive
He looks like a crossbreed between homeless guy and rape-centric gay pornstar. I feel bad for him just by looking at his hairstyle. Is this how this works? People are watching him because they are pity of how pathetic he looks?
This guy runs a sock account on Twitter where he defends himself against "haters". It's like one of those gimmick accounts ("people whining about Elon Musk") but about himself. 100% he's the owner, because who would run a fan account about a nuzlocker?
link
Found it.
>https://twitter.com/pchalbrainlets
One time he had a meltdown about Clover, how it was bad and stuff. Once he saw the streisand effect, seethed some more and deleted. Funny stuff.
holy fricking kek. this is pathetic. i didnt think my opinion of him could get much lower but here we are
If you think that's pathetic, you should've seen him hitting on hot cosplayers by saying stuff like
>AWOOOGA! H-Have you ever heard of n-nuzlocke challenges?
And yes, he added the stutters. Sadly, I don't have the screenshots anymore.
LMAO
>Make new rules to make the game more difficult because pokemon games are too easy
>Has to cheat to win
Guess the game wasn't so easy after all :^)
this and imagine unironically calling yourself a "professional" by playing a children's game with self-imposed rules
Pokémon challenges ruined nuzlockes and romhacks. Every rom hack has to be some shitty calc fest with smogon shits in the first gym. I don’t nuzlocke nowadays because I really hate having to calc every hit and to use all these resources, just to lose because the game removes all counterplay.
Mine isn't but nobody played it
Why is it so impossible for the autists in this board to understand that these people aren't even trying to play the same type of game as (You) when you did your one nuzlocke like 6 years ago that you quit halfway through? While these spergs are doing their hardcore Struggle only nuzlocke of Kaizo Barbedwireinurethra Brilliant Emerald 2.0?
They don't want to grind their shitty Ponyta to lvl 20 for the 50th time after wiping to Wattson with a shiny Mega Rayquaza yet again. They aren't trying to "recapture the magic of the original comic and bond with their team". They're trying to hammer through the intentionally bullshit game through the sheer power of autism and damage calcs.
I fricking hate the "professional nuzlocker" dude but rare candies are the least of his problems
No, what it boils down to is they need to pump these things out at a steady pace to monetize their ebin playthroughs. It's not a skill showcase, or a love thing. Its their job.
this is the same logic people use to cheat by splicing speedruns and shit, and guess what? they get laughed out of the room.
Several speedrunning communities allow "cheating" with stuff like race files which cut out stuff that does demand skill but is deemed tedious enough to be worth cutting out
it's a significant part of the challenge, and if you're a "professional nutslocker" you should show everything on your stream while entertaining your viewers instead of cheating the levels and recoveries like a moron
it feels weird that i even have to explain something so obvious, holy shit
>click surf arbitrary number of times in victory road to get Pokémon to the needed level to beat E4
>hard
Also reminder that speedup and daycare leveling is a thing, so don’t pretend Xp is finate and requires battling
Exactly. Once you get to the daycare you just put on a movie while you run up and down for hours for riskless grinding. Now ioth rare candies you get the same effect just didn't waste your valuable time. Rare candy pill is one of the best thing that happened to eliminate time wasting.
>Too much of a piss baby to actually play a challenge properly
Just play normally at that point
I didn't see no rule that prevents you eliminating time waste. I have only seen first encounter per route, permadeath and must nickname rules. Where is the anti-rare candy rule? Where is the specific rule that prohibits you speeding up the game? Because as I said, daycare exists. That is riskless grinding. Same thing.
Anon there's a difference between putting a pokemon in the daycare and having to take steps for EXP and hacking Rare Candies into the game and mass leveling. The entire point of a nuzlocke is that your pokemon are at risk, you've eliminated the risk.
No, there isn't any difference at all. You take steps in a city while your Pokemon sits in the daycare, you literally not engaging in any battle, how is that a risk? Is there a 0,00001% chance that your Pokémon faints in the daycare? No? Then it is the same as hacking in rare candy, I didn't eliminate no risk. And since usually you enforce level caps you don't "mass level". You are not rare candy Pokémon to lvl100 for the second gym.
>Instantly having your pokemon at full power vs having to keep them in the daycare while you get enough steps
>No difference
Yes, that is right! They are the same picture for me and for many other people.
No anon, you're just moronic. You're not even playing a nuzlocke at this point.
I do. I am following the 3 rules.
Nope
Why even play RPGs period if people don't like random encounters?
?????????????????
i am sorry but Yep I do.
Once this happens to you, you will always have a few antidote in your bag. I always check to have them because a sludge from a random trainer's koffing/grimer/weedle can do the same for my pokémon. It doesn't have to be a wild pokemon.
NOOOOOOOOO THIS GOES AGAINST JAN'S NARRATIVE, HURRY SISTERS, CALL NUZLOCKE'S ORIGINS A PRODUCT OF RACIST CHUDS AND SAY HOW WE'VE MOVED ON TO BECOME BETTER PEOPLE
Look here.
You shouldn't cheat especially playing your muh brilliant emerald kaizo bullshittery 3.0, especially streaming.
He might as well directly inject the exp with pkhex
Why would anyone watch this?
he already uses it to edge his mons before he cums in the next gym leader
because he's moronic
could have done all of that shit offscreen but no you have to sit here and watch him add the proper amount of rare candies to his pokemon
i wouldnt be surprised if shit like this exists on twitch just to launder money, who could possibly watch something so boring
It's even more dumb to call yourself a professional when you forego significant parts of the challenge.
Is there anyone that plays Pokemon that doesn't cheat? The games are ridiculously easy but so what's the point of cheating?
I once did a randomized ORAS nuzlocke. My starter was Mareep. The part where Steven gives you a mega stone based on your starter, I hacked that out and changed it to the Ampharos one.
But other than that, I never do rare candy bullshit.
>I hacked that out and changed it to the Ampharos one
This is worse than rare candies lmao. Megas aren't even needed in any ORAS playthrough.
I wanted the fluffy hair, though. Not like I'm a youtuber or anything.
Yeah but they're probably too unpopular or boring to watch anyway.
>nuzlockes became popular for encouraging players to use new mons and grow attached to them
>autists optimized the purpose out of it anyway
>claim to do so "professionally"
everyone used everything already, play the game
There appears to be some confusion between a nuzlocke and a nutslock. Here are the rules of a nutslock:
>Same ruleset as hardcore.
>You can only battle the wild Pokemon with the lowest level and lowest exp yield, and spread it between 6 Pokemon to yield the least exp possible. For example, in RSE, this would be level 2 Wurmples, which would give you 11/6 = 1 exp for each Pokemon.
>All optional trainers must be skipped. If you accidentally battle one, reset.
>Rare Candies, exp candies, and any other alternative forms of exp gain are not allowed.
>You and your entire team must have the emotional bond and strength to take on the next battle. They'll let you know when they're ready.
>Speed up and emulators are banned. It's impossible to get emotionally attached to fake Pokemon in a fake game.
>Entire point of a nuzlocke is to out your pokemon on the line in every battle
>Train any pokemon no matter how good or bad because you don't have any other options
>Hack rare candies in because that's hard and requires work
What the frick is up with this idea that you don't have to work for success in the pokemon community?
>nuzlocke
I like the idea of only catching the first pokemon to kind of scrape together a team but when my favorite one dies I get sad and play normally from there
you can do whatever you want in your run dude
the worst thing nuzlocke streamers do is when they do their "calcs" (battling with savestates) offscreen. most modern difficulty hacks nowadays are designed around free candies with level caps
johtroon seethe thread
>Beat lvl 14 gym leader
>Candy'd his mons to lvl 22 because that's the next gym level
>Fight all the level 14-15 route trainers with overlevel mons
Is this what he does? Because that's bullshit
No, you shouldn't do that anyway because you'd go past the level cap very early and potentially one shot your low level encounters. You want the least exp investment necessary to consistently beat trainers, not the most.
>Challenge where the entire point is that your pokemon can faint at any time including the grinding process
You literally cannot. Daycare exists. Route 1 exists. Audino exists. Every game has a riskless way to ensure grinding. It is just long. It doesn't matter if you finish the game in 3 weeks or in 3 months in the same attempt.
Frick all of the rare candy defending homosexuals in this thread right now, grinding is part of the challenge.
>B-But grinding takes time! I could grind risk free on Route 1 for hours so technically it's the same if I just use rare candies, right?
No, because no one grinds on Route 1, and you know why? Because it's fricking boring. You grind where the wilds are just strong enough to give you decent exp without being an unnecessary risk.
>B-But even that kind of grinding is boring! Think of how many TikToks I could watch during all that time I spend grinding! Think of all the tweets I could be reading!
Grinding is tedious and boring and that's what makes it part of the challenge, you can stop grinding any time you want and face the next boss underleveled if your time is really more valuable than being at the proper level. If your ADHD zoomer addled brain can't handle buckling down and grinding, then maybe Nuzlockes just aren't for you. If you can't make grinding entertaining for your audience then maybe being a streamer or a "professional nuzlocker" isn't for you either. Why the frick would you bother going through the process of challenging yourself in the first place if all you're going to do is remove a significant element of challenge from the game? Frick off with that shit.
I can also say frick all the anti rare candy people in this thread right now. But I am not going to because I am not an antisocial nerd like some people here and I don't care how you play a self imposed challenge in a fricking videogame.
>because no one grinds on Route 1
In the early game they do if you don't want to wipe. And then they get to the daycare and a lot of people grind there becaue it is riskless.
>You grind where the wilds are just strong enough to give you decent exp without being an unnecessary risk.
Well there you go. If you know that those wild Pokémon are not a risk to your team then you will have the same effect as adding the rare candy. Just later. But that doesn't change anything. It is like saying you want to buy a new car, you have the money right now, you can buy it now or you can buy it next week. The results are the same. If anything, you hurt yourself by not enjoying the car for another week.
>Grinding is tedious and boring and that's what makes it part of the challenge, you can stop grinding any time you want and face the next boss underleveled if your time is really more valuable than being at the proper level.
If you are an experienced player and if you are not a complete r word than you grind until you have energy and time, save, go to sleep/work/school/wherever then you continue grinding and repeat the cycle. Then after you have all your pokémon grinded you will go defeat the next boss the next time you feel refreshed. Being something boring and tedious only delays you. Delaying has nothing to do with difficulty or any challenge since you can sleep and get refreshed between grind sessions.
>you're going to do is remove a significant element of challenge from the game?
Instead you don't, since it is not a significant part. It is the most time consuming part but it is completely unnecessary for the reasons I said above.
Frick grinding.
then just make all your Pokémon level 100 because grinding is too hard for you
lmfao what a loser
this game already sells candies for $1 lmao
wish anti-candygays would actually play the games for once
that's the problem the game is suppose to be this hard hack and it has shit that makes the game easy to nuzlocke
no, it was literally designed for you to use candies you fricking moron
Nah Jan paid him to put it in so he can have an easy time nuzlocking if he was the best he would grind the normal way next thing you guys would want is to be able to use Master Balls so you won't fail at catching
nah he decided himself to put them in because he's not moronic like you bro
Cope and Seethe Jan
I genuinely cannot understand.
I don't give a shit if someone's cheating in private runs, but he's streaming.
People watch him to see how he overcomes the struggles and wins the game from nothing.
But he just cheats levels.
I don't understand.
Why do people watch him at this point? It makes no sense.
Am I moronic or is the world moronic?
you forgot to respond to someone the last 40 times you did this
he treats nuzlockes more like just glorified single player battle sims than an actual RPG
Honestly wish someone would burn down Nord VPN's HQ for all the fricking homosexuals they're happy to partner with
If you dislike fundamental aspects of a certain challenge and won't honor them, then don't say you are doing that particular challenge. Of course, he just wants to throw an established term into his videos because that is better clickbait than admitting it's a headcanon mode.
>It's another "pro" portion of the fanbase that doesn't like to play the game
>Their excuses are the same
but it's not a self imposed challenge
he's a "professional" who's suppsoed to show how to beat the challenge
if he says
>ok now you spawn 999 rare candies
it makes no sense
they don't even play the game lmao
The irony with some of the anti-candygay arguments is they tell you to play the games, but have some fundamental misunderstandings of nuzlocking and the games in general.
>lack of knowledge of the game being discussed
>candying straight away to the next level cap
>there's "risk" in putting Pokemon in the daycare
Lol. FYI modern nuzlocke hacks already give you free candies and forced level caps, so you already lost. Feel free to keep using Jan threads as your safe space.
>hacks
I don't play fan garbage
>modern nuzlocke hacks already give you free candies and forced level caps
Because Jan has to pay people to do it.
Stop cheating.
>b-b-but
Stop cheating.
>*dilates*
Stop cheating.
I don't consider it cheating. It is a QoL improvement.
>I don't consider it ch
Stop cheating.
> It is a Qo
Stop cheating.
>cheaters in vgc
>cheaters in nuzlocke
pokemon fans are weird man
>no reply, again
>no argument, again
the average anti-candygay
Anti-candy people are the same people who hate on dupeclause, because you should have 6 pidgeys to make the game harder and "rerolling dupes is not a true nuzlocke". But once you sweep the game with 6 gyaradoses and 4 guts boosted raticates/swellows they call you on names because you abused the game.
No one said that shit You're arguing with an argument you made in your head moron
I unironically think that homosexual is here in this thread coping lmao
You're definitely right and it's this pussy right here
>using genned rare candy
The whole point of a nuzlocke is to play the game and use the resources given to get through, what's the point if you're just gonna make a literal number game?
>being a "professional" at a Ganker comic about a children's game
I bet his parents are so proud
Why hasn't anyone just made a Nuzlocke using Showdown?
All the mandatory trainers + gym leaders