https://github.com/schombert/Project-Alice
https://github.com/OpenVicProject
PA Updates:
>multiplayer hotjoining
>macro builder
>'various bug fixes'
OV Updates:
>updates (unknown) to 'OpenVic-Simulation'
>various updates to main repo
Rundown of Project Alice: https://youtu.be/MmG_ZXZCL9M?si=nkf0C-3udCvzIBEA
Rundown of OpenVic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Kh8v408ZQ&t=28s&ab_channel=SpudgunOfficial
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>PA Updates:
hotjoining
Oh shit son, we gaming.
Still not playing like vic, still a sandbox,.still not ready
because that's all spudgun has
spartan's MUH FLOATING POINTS spergery was proven wrong
schombert didn't burn out before 1.0
No navy auto transport troops i find when spain game war against morroco also AI is still bad right? they need fix AI and make it make outcome the historical like V2
You should learn english, brownie.
>make outcome the historical like V2
What?
>50iq amerigolem acts as he knows English
cute
yea i'm still waiting for this. are they actively working on making the AI consistent and at least as good as vanilla or is it something they're putting on the backburner while they add and rework other features?
Running a bit better, my hpm run went a little more historical this time, still no acw start date on vanilla nor does it happen in game, also cwe map gets all fricked up and tgc wont launch for me
i've given up on project alice
saw a gay in the PA discord ask shombert to allow the ai to rotate units in and out of combat to make the ai more challenging and he went on about how there would be no reason for him not not make the ai godmode and rotate every single unit possible so he won't do it at all. I'm not entirely sure wtf he was on about. Genuinely can't tell if this was some weird excuse because he doesn't know how or if he's just being autistic.
army level AI just has to be serviceable not godmode but economic and country AI needs to be at least like base V2 and produce realistic outcomes. Designing AI to be competitive with expert players is not needed but it should be fun and realistic.
i mean they could just have an optional hard mode
This is a classic dev cope
They don't know how to implement it, simple as
stop shilling ur channel homosexual
I’m more concerned about the accusations of schomberts code being unreadable sphaghetti that he never responds to, he responds to everything else but that on his plebbit account
OpenVicbros... We won...
>while it looks almost exactly like Victoria 2
No it doesn't.
it's just missing the seas
>they're still on the map
kek, openvic is so dead on arrival
Lawsuit soon
keep coping alice troony
>"A closeted homosexual"
>bokoen pic appears
topkek
lol, its funny cause the dev is a transexual person, lol
been looking at the history of the open vic projects. Apparently the butthurt the PA gays have towards the open vic gays is because
1. Schombert wanted to be the Premium Mobile of the united open vic project but his proposal got voted down for another one so he missed out on having more devs working under him for his own project.
2. Schombert wanted the united openvic team to use his old opensource vic project as a jumping off point for the new united project but his code was un-readable to everyone but himself which led to the open vic gays preferring to do the whole thing from scratch rather than use his code causing more butthurt.
3. Allegedly Schombert upon realising his proposal would fail was already trying to poach team members from openvic for project alice, he also allegedly convinced several Symphony of Empires devs (another opensource vic project) to join his project alice project, because the OpenVic discord server wouldn't let them join. Schombert neglected to tell the Symphony of Empires devs that the reason they weren't allowed into openvic is because Schombert convinced the OpenVic gays to not let them in(lmao)
4. The only reason Schombert was even in the openvic group was because spudgun invited him in not knowing how shit Schomberts code documentation was
This autism has such deep lore .
>it's PA that are the mad ones
>o-obsessed
openvic unironically had their devs shilling these threads and chudgun flies into a rage if alice is mentioned
t. observer with no skin in the game either way
the picture doesn't lie
even with project alice having half the members of open vic they are somehow still more obsessed with open vic than open vic is with project alice
cope if you please, this fact can't be undone.
in addition to what the post below you said, you type like a fricking ESL
Wouldn't be a PA/Openvic thread without the guy obsessed with ESLs randomly accusing people
iphone troony mad that we see through is alice shilling
openvic devs in full damage control over some schizo video
>unintentionally making it worse for themselves
>my fricking sides
I like how the replies to this are a mix of accusations of being either an esl or an open vic dev but no actual rebuttals of this autism
Are the project Alice troony devs actually the ones here shilling on this board? They told me it was actually the open vic gays
Can’t believe they would lie like this
>They told me it was actually the open vic gays
there are 0 openvic gays here, all of them are trolls/bait
>he also allegedly convinced several Symphony of Empires devs (another opensource vic project) to join his project alice project, because the OpenVic discord server wouldn't let them join. Schombert neglected to tell the Symphony of Empires devs that the reason they weren't allowed into openvic is because Schombert convinced the OpenVic gays to not let them in(lmao)
Just gonna correct this slightly, he was gaslit by leaf that he was excluded from openvic because of his association with SoE and PA when the whole reason why he was excluded was because schombert said "he's a bad ideas guy" (which he only said because he kept calling schombert and leaf out for being crap at math and doing calculations backwards) funniest part is now he's part of openvic.
Project troony. Chudgun will save us.
>OV is vastly more popular, so naturally people would get curious.
is it? that's good. the alice astroturfing in these threads has been unbearable.
holy fricking shit lmfao
Are you israeli? Quit doing the Rules for Radicals thing where you accuse your enemy of what you're doing.
genuine OV advocacy doesn't happen in these threads. it's usually just troll/bait replies. meanwhile the threads get flooded with people shitting on OV out of nowhere
have you considered that might be because people prefer finished products to vaporware that's now fuelled solely by spite
PA chads cant stop winning
and the unprovoked PA astroturfing continues. like i wonder if schombert has a private discord channel where he coordinates this shit or what.
>t. openvic dev who can’t understand why people make fun of his nonexistent game
> open source project in development
> gets infested by trannies/furries
> they emotionally manipulate the community members against eachother
> project enters development hell or atomizes, never to be completed
why is this almost always the case bros
It's discord thats the problem, all projects that focus their community on there get boggled down by petty squabbles.
Dunno, but PA's battle AI received a big improvement in 1.0.5
> Made AI avoid units when pathing (also applies to player units), of course, it avoids all units EXCEPT the one they are going for (if any), for example pathing into an unit in province Zacatecas will make the AI avoid ALL other units EXCEPT the one in Zacatecas, for obvious reasons
> AI will now consider generales and army composition to determine attack and defense of each unit
> TESTED
> With TNO
> With the og savefile where the AI suicides repeatedly
> With vanilla
> With TGC
> and with HFM
> AI now doesnt die as much and is much more conservative on when doing attacks, and when they do them they do them good
>of course, it avoids all units EXCEPT the one they are going for (if any), for example pathing into an unit in province Zacatecas will make the AI avoid ALL other units EXCEPT the one in Zacatecas, for obvious reasons
seems broken and easy to exploit. e.g. make the AI walk through the mountains by strategically placing units along other pathways.
Still an improvement.
holy shit nice
Obviously those calculations are expensive.
PA seems to run pretty well atm would it make a noticeable difference?
well that fricking sucks. i want moronic and easily exploitable AI so i can feel like a big man while i become an economic and military juggernaut.
schombert is such a piece of shit.
Yoo they linked up?
Wasn't the solution to the great depression to sack Germany?
and Germany's idea to solving their depression was to loot all their neighbors
Clearly the basic idea wasn't bad.
who cares?
Project troon x open wound, love the troony fight
>hop311 this is obviously you and it’s embarrassing.
Take your meds
>you respond to every mention of PA without fail
After I posted you moron, that open vic dev has clearly seen my post and decided to use it himself
Don’t you know how to save images?
>"I swear guys, it isn't me!"
>While also getting inexplicably mad and sensitive over speculation on an anonymous board.
Yep. That's hop311
https://github.com/schombert/Project-Alice/pull/979
> AI will now not account relations on selecting rivals (it fixes AI just rivalling kinda nobody)
> AI now will seek to justify on nations that are at war; this such that it can take advantage of the war of a nation
> It will also no longer attempt multicontinental invasions without first asserting it has naval supremacy (can defeat the target navy) AND that it has a navy to begin with (hence the min)
I struck a nerve.
Just so you know, the reason I reply to these is to let you know how much I despise them and spare others from wasting their time.
You are a bane for the board, your effort is the antithesis of a contribution.
That's not a bad idea, but still frick Keynes. Praise Milton Friedman.
sean least is keynesian as well, and also a racist, so i trust that keynes was probably correct even though idk economics or what he did.
sean last*
Keynes was right about international capital.
keyed, frick austrian homosexuals and their idealism
austrian economics is the purest form, economics as 'science' was a mistake, also keynes was a hömosexual
'science' in general was a mistake
Hmm, why the thread had 102 and now only 80 replies
Cause some guy kept posting pictures of his big juicy bbc
it was rather small
like those mini hotdogs
You know that isn’t true. You know that we, the skinny little white/asiatic nerds who play these games, are the exact people who would be cuckolds. Maybe not now, but in say ten or fifteen years you’re gonna find that the weird awkward ‘charm’ you have is gone. What’s left is a balding, pudgy little man with inept social skills who’d rather sit inside staring at a screen than go out with his wife. You know, deep down, that one day you’ll be watching your wife gagging on some BBC, getting her insides absolutely destroyed by the ‘uncivs’ you used to colonise. And you’ll love it. Start worshiping it while you have the chance, my fellow vic2 cucks, it’ll make the transition a lot easier. Also Project Alice sucks.
posting this "ironically" still makes you mentally ill
>You know that isn’t true
it didn't have any girth either
my hotdogs bigger and thicker
Go back to asianmasculinity, John Chang
Any tips on learning how to code? I keep trying but it's so difficult for me to commit to
adhd medication + reminding yourself you can get a pretty good salary and build skills that will help you do a wide variety of stuff if you ever feel inclined to from game development to developing your own business
>accept that there are too many aspects of programming to learn in one go and that you'll be learning for years even if you're able to make a basic program
>find or create a small project that interests you that you can work towards/work on making a small addition working no matter how janky it is
>get driven insane by a small issue that you finally overcome and it just werks
>look back on your code and realize you could've done everything better
>repeat until the end of time
Finding something interesting is honestly the hardest part. I learned most of my programming through modding in different languages and different games but if that's what it takes, then go for it. 90% of programming is logic/organization that transfers between languages so don't fall for the Ganker meme of learning C first, just find something small to work on and start working
https://htdp.org/2023-8-14/Book/part_preface.html
unironically adhd meds like
said if you're too moronic for it (like me), they got me a job
god i desperately want adhd meds they would change my life but i can't afford them. i'll need to skate by without them for another year or two and then hopefully i get the chance.
go try get diagnosed for it or something that can warrant a prescription so you can claim from medical aid
One of the issues with the new AI is that it can get stuck in unreasonably long wars.
>a summary of these past few threads and the drama surrounding PA and OV
Hi glovebox
just because you got banned from the spudgun discord doesn't mean you have to shill for trannies
Holy frick, is this what you trannies think discussing a project looks like? You are b***hing and stirring discord no one cares about, what a shit thread.
both projects suck
???
Alice just had an anniversary.
sigh another openvic derailment attack? how about you release a demo instead or talking down on the superior project
also yes, it's undoubtedly that these troons are defending sChOOMbert in this thread
>but muh openvic
irrelevant, kys
now its getting interesting too bad I'm banned from there, keep us updated
Yeah glovebox you were banned cos you kept spamming you shitty attention seeking video
the genocide mod doesn't work, this project is doomed
Another round of dev being filtered by 3d models
Another day of devs thinking this project is anywhere near finished
Big progress on 3d models.
they should stop with the models and make the AI good
is there sex animations yet?
frick you glovebox for getting me banned
thank you glovebox from getting that homosexual banned
3d models in "motion"
looks like shit. also why is that ugly green/blue panel on units still a thing?
Why is there so much autistic shitflinging surrounding these projects? Why do people care so much?
Dramagays are worse than women and are attracted to minor drama that doesn't matter. These subhumans can get any story to blow out of proportion inside their empty heads. Pay them no mind.
>Not to be mean to OpenVic2, but OpenVic2 is the worst shitpost ever done it is just ironic at it's worst; and it is the definition of bad things done bad it's not even funny it's just sad; OpenVic2 had everything going for it but they dropped it at the first chance it's just terrible what they did it's unforgivable they ruined the entirety of Victoria 2 and confused people with OpenV2 for time to come - this is the downfall of video-games it will take a toll on the whole video game industry as other people will take and bestow upon the actions committed on those project, look back and say: "Yeah, let's never do this what did they think they would accomplish?"; even god-damn Electronic Arts would never do such stupidly that has been on presence in terms of managing an open-source project it's just the definition of the most down-to-earth major setbacks that can be faced in a project, all because of some proposal that had fancy wording on it; it is not like it should've been, if OPenVic2 did things right Atari would've never gone bankrupt they just did the worst things possible at the best time and it's just a mess, I could compare OpenVic2 to an Italian spaghetti but even that would be an insult to Italian spaghetti's, it's just a mess of convoluted project ideas thrown together somehow with no organization whatsoever and just a lot of champagne. People in 1,000 years will read the mess that OpenVic2 was in a time machine and they will remember what things they SHOULD NEVER DO on an open-source project.
>tl;dr OpenVic2 is the antithesis of open-source management.
wake up babe a new copypasta dropped
>I could compare OpenVic2 to an Italian spaghetti but even that would be an insult to Italian spaghetti's
what's so messy about spaghetti?
Half the thread is just troon posting wtf
https://github.com/schombert/Project-Alice/pull/992
Well?
its over AI bros, we can no longer cuck the player by allying all his surrounding GPs
I'd do the inverse of this. It always annoyed me to no end in vic2 that the AI can't have more than two GP allies. It's ahistorical and forces the AI to switch around allies like a bawd does men. It'd be best to remove that restriction altogether, and instead focus the AI on 'preserving the balance of power', i.e. ensuring no one power dominates, or perhaps a more sophisticated 'best interests' AI that would naturally do things that benefit it geopolitically, but that's likely more difficult to develop. The fact you can't, as a emergent superpower, establish a bloc of alliances ala NATO or Warsaw, or create many alliances as Germany to corner France, is just a travesty. The AI should be able to make as many alliances as would be beneficial.
In that same manner, another benefit to vanilla that would be nice in a 1.1.x release would be allowing for puppet great powers, in a scenario with an emergent superpower.
Ok, this is the biggest economy simulation hack I have seen in my life.
Honestly it wouldn't be the worst idea and means that mods could make changes to resources with a more flexibility.
Nice, openvic devs rather spend their time here crying, playing victim than actually developing a competitive product.
I would've preferred actual discussions relating to the projects, but this pathetic display is quite entertaining.
Anyways, 1.05 has been released
https://github.com/schombert/Project-Alice/releases/tag/v1.0.5
boo fricking hoo stop sucking troony dick you homosexual
anyways are stockpiles in yet?
No schombert
if there is something i wont stand for, its schombert grooming bright young white men into optimizing their code.
I can't believe the person that stole alicetroony 3D soldiers code and put it in OpenVic is a fricking troony too. Why did this happen?
shut up moron esl
>Look both projects
>Filled with troons and esl's
No thanks, I will wait for a straight white male version of it
the lead dev of openvic is literally a straight white anglo male you fricking idiot
I've heard spudgun talk, he may be White but he is most definitely not straight.
dumbest thing typed in this thread. I may not be that familiar with scots, but his voice doesn't sound effeminate to me. Also most whites on Earth are ESL
Brit accents always sound homosexual, you fairy.
He does sound a bit poofy to me
t, Scot
>Scot
>white
What's next, irish? welsh? piss off
I wasn't talking about spudgun you braindead troony
One guy, while most of the programers and the people involved are trannies or esl's
not true
keep coping alice troony shill
I think it's fitting that a victoria 2 recreation also created neo-/gsg/ in /vst/ better than any vicky 3 thread ever could.
Speaking of victoria three, I must now go change my underwear.
fixed the stupid icon
https://ufile.io/361jsqwk
Zazed!
Macedonians are Greek because the are allowed to compete in the Olympics
t.Herodotus
macedonians were greek, yes
the bulgarians squatting in macedonia aren't
koreans never competed in the Olympics
>but ! but ! but ! but ! but ! but ! but ! but !
>MODERN OLYMPICS !
you know full well what that anon was talking about...
so koreans are greek
> Removes most mentions of base prices from economy simulation, implements prices graph page in a ledger and changes most of constants to achieve more adaptive and smooth economy. Review of performance effects is required.
https://github.com/schombert/Project-Alice/pull/1008
>pull PR to try it out
>see this
Nice balance.
your sliders
I'm going to Alice
half the thread sperging out about PA or OpenVic, so let me ask a few questions:
does the AI in PA actually not work?
can i actually play openvic? if not, is there any definitive proof that work is being done on it?
would mods work for PA? (or for openvic once people can get a hold of it)
>does the AI in PA actually not work?
the AI is "functional" but it's much, much, dumber than Vic2's ai at the current moment and doesn't event reliably form germany on its own
>can i actually play openvic?
no
>if not, is there any definitive proof that work is being done on it?
they supposedly post updates in their d*scord
>would mods work for PA? (or for openvic once people can get a hold of it)
they already do but because PA doesn't silently fail on errors in mod files like Vic2 you have to either go to their d*scord and get a compatibility patch or fix those errors yourself
> doesn't event reliably form germany
moron, Germany is being cucked by other AIs. AIs can easily form unfair alliances and can easily run over even the player.
>you have to either go to their d*scord and get a compatibility patch or fix those errors yourself
one of the lead trannice devs publishes the compatibility patches on it's own repo: https://github.com/wxwisiasdf/Alice-Compatibility-Patches
>can i actually play openvic?
anon, read the OP
first 3d models will be implemented in 1.0.6
no soldiers yet, because animations are hard
openvic trannies intentionally sabotage the entire thing for their ego.
stellaris startrek mod intentionally sabotaged over 1 trannies ego
how does this keep happening
when will people add a reddit litmus test to projects.
the Black person gpl russian use is a must
>stellaris startrek mod intentionally sabotaged over 1 trannies ego
Which one?
anatolians competed in the olympics, so they are also greek
They were greek before getting TURK'D.
>Olympics stop existing some time after 393
>Nobody is allowed to compete in the Olympics because they aren't being held
>Greeks starting calling themselves Romans around this time
>Greek identity collapses completely
>1896, Olympics are revived
>Greeks stop calling themselves Romans around this time and embrace the Greek identity once more
Guys I think Herodotus was onto something there
>>1896, Olympics are revived
stop calling themselves Romans around this time and embrace the Greek identity once more
It was the other way around. People in the victorian era, especially in Britain, developed a boner for ancient Greece, and decided to artificially bring back the Greek identity, first by supporting their independence against the Turks, and then by bringing back the Olympics.
didn't last long considering anglos started sucking muslim dick and haven't stopped since
>In 2001, 31 Aromanian mayors and heads of villages signed a protest resolution against the U.S. State Department report on the human rights situation in Greece. They complained "against the direct or indirect characterisation of the Vlach-speaking Greeks as an ethnic, linguistic or other minority, stating that the Vlach-speaking Greeks never requested to be recognised by the Greek state as a minority, stressing that historically and culturally they were and still are an integral part of Hellenism, they would be bilingual and Aromanian would be secondary".[69]
>The Panhellenic Federation of Cultural Associations of Vlachs expressed strong opposition to EU's recommendation in 1997 that the tuition of Aromanian be supported so as to avoid its extinction.
absolute chads. "please just let our language die out"
literal gypsy behavior
>victoria 2 mp Black folk now trying to push for changes in PA
it's over
we need somebody to gaslight them back to supporting openvic
nice
uh bros there's been a slow down in epic alice updates/news in the past week or so.
what gives??? i want to play a v2 remake already!
economy "rework" is still coming along
ai is allowed to subsidize as the part of rework
a lot of ui tweaks, fixes, etc
pic is reintroduction of supply tooltips
50 pr were opened, which is a lot
Oh, and more map modes are being added . But it's not that interesting.
more map modes being added is interesting because doesn't it mean they fixed that problem with the GUI being hardcoded so they couldn't add new maps or whatever?
or am i remembering incorrectly that that was a problem.
ui is not hardcoded in pa, but annoying to work with
Vanilla ai is incapable of naval invasions, which automatically disqualifies it from this conversation.
wait
(You)
I mean it is obviously hardcoded, but thanks to Open Source, you can actually change it
https://github.com/schombert/Project-Alice/releases/download/v1.0.6/1.0.6.7z
It's out
>Fixes a critical bug for GFM and TGC
I am annoyed at how poorly documented those patch notes are, so here is more
>additional controls for factory expansion (pic)
>supply progress bar
>other billion ui/control improvements (such as black font of wasd movement for camer)
>some fixes related to reading history files (EU4 to vic 2 save converter mod should load now)
>other billion bugfixes and oos fixes
btw economy "rework" should be ready for 1.0.7 from the looks of it
Honestly? OpenVic devs are no different to those emulategays who want 1:1 hyper-precision to the very small details of the original hardware and had to reinvent the wheel all over again when perfectly playable emulators already existed. I don't give a frick about "muh floating points", "timing", "cpu cycles" or whatever.
Besides I don't want them to replicate Victoria 2 as it is right now, because V2 was a horrible game in its original release. I want to play a better game that at least uses more than one core at a time, not for them to replicate Paradox incompetence.
when alice finally makes the AI about as good as vanilla, will alice still run much faster than vanilla
>video
fricking zoomer le based humor shitpost editing, what the frick is wrong with you people?
Calm down
he is israelite protestant
what did you expect
>Vanilla ai is incapable of naval invasions
generation of tgc and gfm
Imagine if the openvic team put as much effort into working on openvic as they did imagining some grand conspiracy on the part of Project Alice.
>schombert wants to develop personal vic2 clone with his own fixes
>openvic recruits him to help develop their own clone of vic2
>refuse to implement his fixes, which is the reason he wanted a clone in the first place
>seething that schombert went his own way
that would be an argument IF shombert was not a troony chaser that grooms underage troons while he has a "wife"
If you want coding to be done in current year+9 you have to go after trannies, unfortunately. ~~*They*~~ destroyed an entire generation of young autistic men on purpose.
>If you want coding to be done in current year+9 you have to go after trannies
there's plenty of non moronic coders
there's a reason groombert chose this homosexual
If that's true, why is every single Paradox and Paradox-related project infested with trannies?
because they ban all the autists that don't suck troony dick which only leaves the trannies and a few cucks
>Here's your straight white male project mad that someone stole their troony worker
hahahaha
>Troons and morons fighting over PA or OV2
Just shut the frick up and get to code. People want to play your project not listen to some schizo rambling
>/thread.
it flares up once every few days, possibly because OV troony A gets mad at PA troony B making fun of her dress. A then takes out his frustration by accusing schombert, B’s lover, of grooming him. B retaliates by going on a total sperg-out over A’s lack of progress. this will repeat ad infinitum until OpenVic releases- so basically until the heat death of the universe.
Merged. It's coming in 1.0.7
https://github.com/schombert/Project-Alice/pull/1008
According to Peter it resolves issues with artisans, makes the economy more adaptable (1 year for price stabilization after initialization), AI invests into capitalists.
Pic: military goods prices go to the moon during major wars.
so you're saying I can finally do a proper American military industrial complex campaign, where I produce the world's military equipment, start major wars through meddling with alliances, and sit back with my naval superiority as I profit off Europeans killing each other by selling them overpriced military goods? Original Vic2 didn't have volatile enough prices for this kind of campaign to be profitable, so this would be great if true (as in it actually works and doesn't constantly crash the economy).
PLEASE can I rename armies now?
It's such a boring feature, no one (out of 6 somewhat active devs) wants to do it
Soulless zoomer
It’s basic organisation in a game where you have armies spread all over the world
>having armies
https://github.com/schombert/Project-Alice/releases/download/v1.0.7/1.0.7.7z
>Features a new economy simulation
but does it work?
Artisans are nerfed into the ground.
pic ww1 is happening
>red shortages
>green abundance
>ammunition
>100K
kek their removal of base prices aren't doing very well
shut the frick up, ESL.
proud to be an anglo ^_^ alice-troony-mutt
Okay rajeesh
Just because you got a little bit more light skinned after a second mixing that doesn't make you white sunak, you will always be a pajeet invader
krauts like you are all rape babies from chad slavs
Better a half-slav than a half-pajeet
you'll all mutts
Fricking hell.
I just want functional moddable Vic2 clone. Why does it have to come with autistic nerd drama?
It’s niche and has a YouTube personality involved, what did you expect? Several people from PA are trying to (and successfully have, so far) stir the pot in order to get their project noticed. Just look at the top comment on that PA video, it managed to get Bokeon’s attention.
On the other hand you have Spudgun’s sycophants, unable to see what obvious bait it is, sperging out at every opportunity. Spudgun himself doesn’t help, going into a semi-rage every time PA is mentioned on stream and accusing Schombert of grooming one of the lead devs. The funniest part is that I don’t even think the guy who made the Project Alice video works for the team, and is just a schizophrenic guy PA benefits from having around kek.
Idk really. I just don't care if some Shlongbert is fricking a troony or something and I have hard time understanding why would anyone care. I have better things to do then to religiously follow some discord slapfight.
So economy rework:
1. You can't 100% sliders anymore without going bankrupt.
2. The original vic2 was not designed for this, so the economy receives initial shock in the form of massive price spikes all across the board. It normalizes within the year.
3. The game temporarily slows down factory building speed worldwide, to speed up initial price normalization.
4. Sieging doesn't affect rgo output.
>1. You can't 100% sliders anymore without going bankrupt.
sound like a poorgay problem
>4. Sieging doesn't affect rgo output.
how are you supposed to financially ruin your war opponent then?
If India gets overrun with rebels, no one in the world can produce clothing.
thats what stockpiles (which schombert didn't want to add lol) are for
But PA has 100k sized stockpiles?
Schomberg added it after people complained, he openly said he didn't want to do it
So? If the entire world relied on a single nation to provide a base material and the nation got fricked, I see nothing wrong with the rest of the world getting fricked for it as well.
The entire phenomenon doesn't make sense in the first place, because people don't just all stop going to work just because they're under military occupation.
If your workplace got destroyed by artillery fire you can't really work anymore, or at least at the same level you used to
An army occupying a country doesn't start going around shooting shells at random buildings. That kind of stuff is more relevant for brutal ww2 urban warfare than for Victoria's era.
I mean that just sounds like a issue with how vic handles market/trade
>spartan is seething about muh determinism again
some one should put down this schizoid
>troony chaser seething at spartan
idk who that is but please don't come here with your std
esl syntax
why are openvic's biggest defenders various forms of fake whites like amerispics and slavoids
uhhh ahmed, living in UK does not make you White
and being anglo-israelite is not a good thing
Go leave homosexual, there’s several BBC threads that need your attention NOW.
I'm tired of this bullshit
Project Alice is ran by a 80-year old who wants to alter the game to his will, and a "xe/xir" shemale developer which is an annoying moron, also the AI is not geopolitcally correct, the UI changes are trash and the new economy is very unstable not to mention that multiplayer is absolutely broken and I'm not able to cycle properly also dont forget stockpiles not existing.
And OpenVic is full of reptilians trying to make "a faithful recreation" of my fricking ass - while spudgun gives them promotion like he's selling victorian crypto or some shit, and they dont even have anything to showcase other than copying Project Alice code and putting it onto godot
I'm inspired to make my own fricking project at this point
>I'm inspired to make my own fricking project at this point
Please do. Couldn't be worse than what we have, right now.
just fork PA it can be salvaged
There was some Anon who was fixing some aspects from PA for himself, he might help with that. Would be hilarious if like minded Anons teamed up and ended up creating and actual OS remaster of Vic2, mogging both PA and OV in process.
Any moron can tweak some values. Producing the actual game logic is way more harder.
I was about to say this, both of these projects could be great. Unfortunately they both have a bunch of spastic morons who can't help but perpetually stir the pot, all because they want to be the group that gets the last word in these moronic internet fights.
Both projects could be so much farther along if they spent even half the time they did working on them as they do with their constant rants and novels of text about how their right and the other side is wrong.
>constant rants
Black person, those chimps out are rare and happen in small episodes. Although whenever pa is brought up spartan, spudgun and his wienersuckers throw a tantrum.
This is true. Boot up any recent Spudgun stream and the moment Project Alice is mentioned he either gets super cagey or hits the roof. It’s guaranteed. You can test it yourself if you want.
that's cool and all but don't think you're le based for being a literal troony chaser
Project Alice on one monitor, troony scat on the other. You know it brother.
Wish some autistic code-wiz would just fork PA and fix some of the moronic decisions. Bumping in the hopes the universe will manifest something to that effect..
>stockpiles not existing
can you explain your obsession with lying about stockpiles not existing
can you explain why you were raped by your grandad?
any project started by trannies is doomed to fail
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-tenacious-unicorn-ranch-tenaciousranch-steampunk-penny-penellope-logue-phillip-matthew-logue.86681/
tldr?
My Black person. It is summarised in the first post.
That just tells you that they raise alpacas and ape out at the locals (no need to mention the sex degeneracy)
Clearly there must be more to it that could be shortened to one Ganker post
>A handful of trannies decided to start an alpaca farm called the "Tenacious Unicorn Ranch" because the government basically gives alpacas away for free. None of them had any farming experience whatsoever. They're all degenerates and just spend all live streaming, tweeting, pointing guns at locals, and molesting their trans farmhands. Long story short the animals have been suffering for over a year and most of them are dead. Last major update confirmed the existence of an alpaca mass grave.
why would you clone vic2? its a bad, bland game, with some good ideas.
saying macedonian with a hard c sounds cooler to be honest
saying mackedonian sounds shitty and brown, but i guess it's fitting and we should give it to the balkanshitters it fits them and it's what they want
saying macedonian with a soft c* sounds cooler to be honest
excuse me
there's a difference between "macedon" and "makedon"
i always pronounced the c like k in celtic
is it actually supposed to be matzedon?
it's supposed to be makedon with a "k"
dunno where the frick you got the matze from...
as in macedon being pronounced matzedon
where is the coom mod? How am I supposed to enjoy enslaving the natives without colorful descriptions
So PA is better but OV has more potential?
PA exists while OV only has a private spreadsheet
"Private spreadsheet" is just not accurate, we are trying a MoSCoW (Must have, Should have, Could have, Wont have) model of organization, which has been proved to be efficient for our needs and to satisfy our customers in a time-efficient manner.
We also believe that firm customer capture is a key objective to achieve our goals, we also are focusing on fast data-driven simulation procedures to obtain maximum performance with our codebase, while also mantaining stability, reliability and clarity.
We make no direct use of the floating point unit, because floating points are not deterministic, we have opted to use a market-leading technology in performance, stability and reproducibility across devices, "fixed points" rather than using floating ones, this allows us to have more performance than Alice because we are using fixed points rather than floating ones, allowing the CPU to focus it's energy and resources on the algorithms side while not focusing on the floating point conversions, which has been proved to be a huge performance hit for any serious game.
That's also why less and less games use floating point, rather opting to use fixed point for their calculations, this massively speeds up development time and runtime performance.
We are confident that Alice performance is extremely slow in comparison with what we, the OpenVic team, are able to achieve with fixed points.
lmfao did you write all this corpospeak by hand
Huh, didn't you know? Larping as a corp was the primary goal of Open Vic, OS remake of vic2 just happened to be the "project" by convenience.
>MoSCoW
I didn't know openvic devs are vatBlack folk
Holy shit OpenVic is run by actual reptilians. Have any of you actually talked to another human being? (Discord doesn’t count.) You’re not a fricking corporation, homosexual. This LARP needs to stop and is half the reason nobody takes OpenVic seriously outside of your echo chamber; primarily made up of Spudgun fans who already seem to be losing interest looking at your dead server. I’m sure the reason OpenVic devs are active here is because nobody else on the internet is talking about them.
>create an open source project to rectify PDX’s mistakes
>”oh i know! let’s LARP as a company!”
>overpromise and underdeliver
>become PDX in the process
How none of you see the irony in all this is beyond me. But sure, blah blah blah, ‘OpenVic will be better in the long run’. Fricking delusional.
and underdeliver
PDX in the process
Paradox at least manages to release their shit (most of the time)
>no rebuttal just seethe
i'm on team openvic now
kys leaf troony
Fixed point math is always slower than floating point math on modern CPU hardware.
>We are confident that Alice performance is extremely slow in comparison with what we, the OpenVic team, are able to achieve with fixed points.
I have even less faith in OpenVic than I did before, you people don't know anything about software.
They come off as larpes, yeah. My release builds without pgo stuff are extremely fast (30 minutes to finish the game on speed 5, and alice produces more pop types).
that's obviously a false flagger you stupid homosexual
>that's obviously a false flagger you stupid homosexual
We've seen their actual devs like spartan say dumber shit than that on /vst/, so no, it's not obviously a false flagger.
Hopefully someone makes an OpenCK2 so the hard-coded problems like base reluctance can be fixed and modders can overhaul it more.
Yoo, I heard mr putin is on this thread calling PA trannies for what they are, trannies
the laughable attempts by the openvic Discord to detail the thread won't work, PA will win
this thread is either constantly being derailed by OV trolls, or is (without a doubt) the worst thing to ever grace /vst/'s pvre soul.
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After reading about floating point vs fixed point number autism i've come to the conclusion that Open Vics decision to use fixed points is the right decision, particularly considering the project appears to be focusing on having as stable a multiplayer experience as possible in addition to single player
Hippies like you would be obsessed with floating. I'm certain the fact that most of the OV dev team are pot-smoking zoomers has something to do with their lack of progress. Too busy sitting around, talking, and 'feeling' it out. Old man Schlombob and his Adderall-infused sidekick just get it done. I can respect that.
Cool it down with antisemitism
floating points do not compromise stability as long as your code doesn't have shitty practices that fail to account for floating point error
this "debate" is 100% openvic devs wanting to have something to flex for in their resumes
in fact openvic is suspiciously riddled with corporate-like practices and organization, not because such practices have historically benefitted similar projects but because they want something to show that their future employers will be familiar with and appreciate
its students larping as the big boy corpos
>floating points do not compromise stability as long as your code doesn't have shitty practices that fail to account for floating point error
Does project Alice have coding practices that account for floating point errors?
It seems like the consensus by professional game devs is that the use of floating point numbers inevitably leads to the accumulation of errors that require regular resyncs and for a game like Victoria 2 would result in constant desyncs and that all the work arounds necessary for floating points to work in multiplayer isn’t worth the effort or requires an authoritative server to resync the game constantly
>Does project Alice have coding practices that account for floating point errors?
it's in a superposition until someone figures out how to read schomberts spaghetti code
Could you explain why exactly it’s ‘spaghetti code’ with examples? Thread is starting to remind me of the YandereDev drama, with every rando gay wanting to offer their two cents on a discipline they’re completely ignorant of. Or did you just hear that somewhere and decide to believe it with no evidence?
>’OpenVic devs couldn’t make sense of it’ doesn’t count. I’m talking specific examples of how Schombert is being intentionally obtuse instead of streamlining.
man this is a bait thread, don't engage with these morons
having a woman's name in the title of the remake attracted /gsg/ers like shit attracts flies
>muh woman
not even related
it's named after a troon he grooms
you do not belong here anyway, troony chaser
See what I mean.
>or requires an authoritative server to resync the game constantly
Server-client V2 would be supremely based.
I kneel, fixed points are superior
The PA gays lied to me
Unless they’re gonna have dedicated servers, it’s over
Most RTS games use floating point math and rely on having fully deterministic simulations. If you get sync issues from using floating point math it means you're an incompetent moron. Given that they use Godot, that does make sense.
Mostly bugfixes
https://github.com/schombert/Project-Alice/releases/download/v1.0.8/1.0.8.7z
you are fast
>PA crying about muh racism and homophobia in OV
uhhhh baSSedbros what happened with our white aryan project?
OV has racism and homophobia? oh shit time to change sides
>this is the best open vic has to offer
this must be the most useless thing someone can do to (re)create a game holy shit this is an impressive amount of procrastination
The actual reason behind OV slow progress is the fact that no one of them can actually code. They are stalling with this shit in the hopes of actual dev landing on their team.
achievements are fun though
they're floating and not fixed so they randomly drift and frick up (idk what i'm talking about)
Lads, want to play the Modern History Mod (SP), is it worth it playing it on Project Alice or will it have too much missing features?
main problems in PA used to be huge ai alliance clusters and unending rebels but apparently those issues are fixed now
It's not worth it, just play it on normal Vic2. PA is still too fricked until it gets more bug fixes
not your personal discord you troony
go back to 41%ing
Please do something about the awful warfare system.
gonna quit this thread cuz the last 1% alice needs to do in order to become playable for real is taking 99% of the time of the project. or something like that.
not a programer can somebody explain whats the issue with floating points?
spartan is a schizo
The main issue with them is that they are sometimes rounded differently, and in particular that certain operations when chained together in one statement can be optimized differently depending on the compiler and target architecture. This can lead to very minor differences in the same simulation on different machines. Additionally, some compiler flags cause the compiler to disregard strict IEEE 754 compliance in favour of even better performance.
If you use one compiler and target one architecture (x86_64) and don't turn on unsafe math and only do one floating point operation per statement you can have deterministic floats. RTS games do it all the time.
If you're making some fosstard crap where you let people compile the shit themselves with different compilers and to run on different architectures such as ARM, then floating point math can be a problem and you might want to use slower integer math (requires more operations to simulate having decimal values, to do gaussian rounding, etc) to make determinism easier.
i work in as a consultant for an accounting firm and i can confidently say that floating points are very floating
from my limited understanding from watching these arguments
floating point numbers result in slightly unfixed calculations that can land on different results
a 1.00001 on one machine can end up as 1.00002 on another, which is fine for most games like counter-strike as it can just be re-synced quickly by the server/host with minimal network bandwidth required but for a game that deals with as many numbers like victoria 2 does the accumulation of those errors can lead to games looking completely different between players in a multiplayer lobby(soldiers appearing on 1 screen that is invisible to another player) and lead to constant de-syncs.
mostly this, except you overestimated the impact by 1000x
you could have a game running for thousands of years before these negligible errors can even begin to have the tiniest impact
older (and newer) paradox games desync a lot because of their shitty netcode, not because of floating point error
openvic is obsessed with "solving" this because they are subhumans who will come up with every conceivable reason to distract themselves from actually developing the game
Is shit, tried playing TGC and the map gets so fricking ugly is pointless, tried playing CWE and it crashes in 10 years at most, pointless
That's because CWE is a horrible bloated buggy piece of shit made by an absolute moron. I say "made" here in the loosest terms because simsulla made all the good NWO content, and then settintotrieste came and made CWE as a commieboo gay fork of NWO.
Someone needs to create a mod that implements the war analyzer and economy analyzer into the game
Is not a vic clone, no mods or vanilla works as the normal game, is pointless and unplayable at this point, tried a lot of times from 0.8 till now still broken asf
At this point you'd be better off developing your own game instead of being a bunch of losers making content for someone else's product
>a bunch of losers
Take another look at the board you’re on, moron.
this board probably has the highest income/average IQ users of this entire site, Black person. just a shame to see talented people wasting their time on modding games when they could be doing there own thing
Hahaha, sure thing. You think it’s a waste but clearly other people don’t.
So what if they spend their time emulating Vic2? Vic3 came out (we all thought it never would) and it was a pile of dogshit. So why not try and streamline/improve on the previous instalment from 2009? PDX obviously aren’t going to. I have never understood why things like this offend people, and why they get so upset over how other people spend their time. They’re doing it for free- you can either ignore it because you don’t care or follow its progress. Fricking commie bastard.
>PDX obviously aren’t going to
Then why give them money by developing free content for the product? If people are going to keep modding this outdated piece of shit we are never going to get another developer to compete in this niche you absolute fricking moron
>Fricking commie bastard
I said people here have a high IQ but you are definitely the exception
You have autism and are impossible to communicate with, sorry. Have a good night
......
the man, the myth, the legend: luke-unity; whose word we take as gospel
it's the same answer everywhere
you either use fixed point, a dedicated sever, or you get desyncs out the ass with floating points, the PA gays have made a mistake and i doubt they're smart enought to implement all the work arounds to make floating point work, it's over, spartan won.
>spartan won.
great, i can't wait for OpenVic to release a playable alpha in the next 20 years
>spartan won
literal who.
are.. you spartan?
read the thread before posting in the future
nah it’s good. watched a video on project alice vs openvic so I have a pretty good grip on the situation. came here to read more about project alice, but, it seems, the thread is constantly derailed by seething openvic devs/fans. you guys should focus on developing your game instead of arguing on discord! you’d get more done!
i can smell the masked seethe from this comment
do you smell other men a lot?
lol at project alice my friends and i tried to make a multiplayer game and failed to even connect
This is leaf coping isn’t it
Shoulda went with fixed points sweaty
literally who cares about multiplayer? My GroBgermaniums don't need other "people"
Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance uses 32-bit floats and has no desync issues (other than those related to players doing a non-clean disconnect from a match - which has nothing to do with floats).
if every rts game uses floating points how come the only example ever given is supreme commander
call of duty uses floating point, risk also uses floating point, starfield too
>rts game
can't you fricking math autist settle this in github?
how about you pick a side and start contributing to it, best vicky clone in 10 years wins
Because (1) it has one of the most complex RTS game states (8k units, every projectile is an actual simulated object with physics), (2) the devs have pointed it out explicitly and spoken about it, (3) its engine has been sufficiently dissected to know that yes, it does indeed use floats, everywhere, and (4) it also features deterministic event-based replays.
this didn't answer the question
It literally answered the question. I don't care to bother checking whether, say, StarCrap uses floating points or not, or reinstalling Dawn of War to poke around in the binary and check.
>It literally answered the question.
no, it didn't
> I don't care to bother checking
this is an excuse to not answer the question
>no, it didn't
You were given four reasons why SupCom is the example and you're not happy with that.
>You were given four reasons why SupCom is the example
all of which are irrelevant to the claim that allegedly every RTS uses floating points
please just have a nice day Spartan
sneed
You asked why SupCom is the example.
I LOVE SPARTAN HE IS MY GOD I WANT SPARTAN TO COME AND REDEEM ME
WHEN I SAW HAZBIN HOTEL I IMMEDIATELY TOUGHT OF SPARTAN
I WANT SPARTAN TO LECTURE ME 48-HOURS STRAIGHT ABOUT THE BIBLE EVEN THROUGH I'M israeli
Goddamnit I can't derail a thread properly it's so obvious it's an attempt at derailing.
Guess we lost Openvicbros
>EVEN THROUGH
minor spelling mistake
Mom, Dad, the morons are fighting again.
if only we remade the original victoria, this wouldn't have happened
the lesson for the future is: to never remake victoria 2 ever again, otherwise you will have the fixedbros and the floatingbros
OpenVic Bros....
they caught me.... i'm sorry...
This gentleman is the true "I'm playing both sides" of this drama between Spudgger and Leaftroony
The cancer that is killing /vst/.
reminder to pa trannies you do not belong here
go dilate in your grooming circles
How do you do, my fellow online chuds?
>more ‘muh floating points’ drama.
Interesting how OV devs don’t criticise PA on its bugs, divergent economy or weird AI (all things that deserve criticism and could be fixed) but instead focus on something obtuse enough to go over the layman’s head; to make it sound like they’re speaking with an air of authority. Multiplayer makes up such a small part of the Vic2 community (improved networking would only increase it slightly. Source: HOI4 being the most popular PDX game yet having a relatively minuscule multiplayer base) that it’s obvious where their interests lie- in appealing their daddy and benefactor Spudgun, who will shill for them no matter what. It’s a vanity project. They don’t want to give PA actual criticisms because they’re afraid it could be worked into the game and improve its reception. So instead, they spazout over weird technical shit that no one outside a few multifreaks would ever care about.
>inb4 the ‘floating points’ criticism is organic.
It’s not. It comes from this (https://www.reddit.com/r/victoria2/s/WsMjw57oRI) Reddit thread, where Spudgun, Leaf and Spartan have a spergout and where the floating points criticism comes from.
>divergent economy
But Peter's latest rendition of it is pretty good.
It's a step in the right direction but still needs some tinkering. As of my last game (it may have changed since) the economy seems to freak out for a year as it adjusts to all the changes. I can imagine this scaring new players off/ them thinking PA is unplayable. I appreciate his efforts to make Vic2's economy more of a closed loop though, ie money not appearing out of thin air
>Thank God we don't live in a world where that's the case.
>Interesting how OV devs don’t criticise PA on its bugs, divergent economy or weird AI
Is this an ESL comment?
>why don’t people argue about the obvious shitty things? Why do they only argue about thing they disagree on?? I don’t understand???
If your iq were above room temperature (Celsius) you’d instinctively know why the arguments here are about the controversial things instead you moron
OV is full of nazis
ESL comments
PA has hispanic femboys
OV nazis
ESL moment: Your reply has nothing to do with the comment you're replying too.
ESL comment
>t. deflecting ESL
>>t. deflecting ESL
ESL hands typed this.
If you say so ESL friend
Please learn to read before posting in the future, otherwise your comments come out as nonsensical and disjointed with no relation to the comment you are actually replying to, thank you in advance my ESL friend!
>ESL friend
>my ESL friend
Caught red-handed. Only an Indian or Arab would talk/type like this. Servile and submissive, afraid of the white man. Afraid of his power and of his large cranium (proven by his map-gaming abilities.) How is it over in New Delhi?
My newfriend, you have literally been caught red-handed being a newfriend, back to the PA discord with you
>Only an Indian or Arab would talk/type like this
You don't even realise just how much of a newfriend you are, do you?
Now this is ESL nonsense, where's the real ESL schizo
Between this and fixed point math It seems i have no choice, I’m on team openvic now.
>picking teams instead of waiting to see which one is superior, like a white man.
Typical ESL behaviour
Go back to Discord. Stop venting here. It’s cute, but gets old fast.
>Interesting how OV devs don’t criticise PA on its bugs, divergent economy or weird AI (all things that deserve criticism and could be fixed)
spud complains about that aspect of PA all the time though, and he's the charisma behind the OV project that will ultimately allow it to succeed
>he's the charisma behind the OV project that will ultimately allow it to succeed
As noted by schombert, their github repo activity looks underwhelming
https://github.com/schombert/Project-Alice/graphs/commit-activity
https://github.com/OpenVicProject/OpenVic/graphs/commit-activity
They barely push any code.
spud is probably going through a rough patch in his life but will bounce back
being a troony chaser is based and trad
don't listen to chuds
Can you frickers crawl back to /gsg/ or wherever else you come from
They’re from Discord. Only Discord users would get this irrationally attached to an Open Source project. There’s also ‘drama’ between the two, which makes it feel like it’s an epic war (like in HOI!)
The thing is they type like /gsg/ users, doing that heckin epic ironic thing where they refuse to use punctuation or capitalization and refuse to use the reply function properly, if at all.
It’s also a Discord thing, passed down from Reddit (although they’d never admit it.) They’re doing their best impression of how they think a ‘Ganker user’ would type. That Project Alice video likely attracted a lot of newbies, seeing as it both links to and mentions /vst/ at the end. I also think OpenVic and PA devs/fans come here to vent their frustrations at the other project without having to face consequences (aka a Discord ban) - hence why it so frequently devolves into stupid shitflinging and obvious false-flag attacks.
leaf me recuerda a mi ex
tu ex era trabuco?
crimeamod is for morons
Leaf has a cute girl dick
She's a cute latinx
The main devel for PA is from India
the actual troony open source project is winning against the nazi chud open source project
epic
most people are newbies and don't know schombert tried again in the past to make a v2 clone, shilling it on /gsg/, but got bored and abandoned it for years
schombert will find a job or something else to distract him and give up again sooner or later
don't worry now he has a cuncubine (leaf) to finish the project
>abandon project
>years later big youtuber gets in contact and offers a large team and support
>accept
>immediately leave and take the most talented (troony) dev with you
>profit
Schombert has that israeli spirit and this is why OpenVic will never be released.
Did leaf ever work on open Vic?
he did work on the project as a consultant and a coder, trannies really kill projects
Leaf hasn't killed project Alice though, quite the opposite
he will never be a woman
This >drama really reminds me of ancient cities vs dawn of man.
Didn't them end up being both shit in the end?
crimeamod is for Black folk
Black folk have good taste then
openvic will never achieve shit
project alice will never achieve shit
openvic will never exist
DID YOU KNOW JAEGER TRIED TO LE ENCIRCLE A NAVY
All this seething on OV's part doesn't stop the fact I can boot up Project Alice right now, load HPM, and play an (albeit not perfect) campaign from 1836-1936. I've been playing PA consistently since the 1.0 release (God knows why they called it that, it didn't feel like a 1.0 at all), and it's been getting noticeably better and less buggy with each update. These updates release weekly, btw, while OV dicks around on the map, 'LARP' events, (which make up most contributions on their discord kek) and whining about multiplayer; which let's face it, no one will ever fricking play.
>picrel remains accurate.
i don't care if PA is technically "playable" because it plays like shit. tell me when it's as good as vanilla v2
>as good as vanilla v2
Clearly you've never played Victoria 2 because vanilla Vic2 sucks shitty smelly ass lol
tell me when PA is as good as modded original v2 you stupid frick.
Kek. Thanks for correcting yourself you submissive little homosexual. Now off to Discord with you. Shoo.
>because vanilla Vic2 sucks shitty smelly ass lol
Why do morons repeat this lie?
>are these 'discord trannies' in the room with us now?
>try GFM since it's apparently compatible "out of the box"
>keeps crashing every few weeks ingame
>visit trooncord for possible solution
>"akhsully you have to delete this folder and this folder and that folder and then you'll get a 2% less broken experience"
troony trash mod, dropped
>GFM
trash gets filtered sorry chud
Try the African rework branch
All the mods are absurldly broken, and that's was probably the whole point of the project, to run mods faster, hell even vanilla is broken rn
yeah, vanilla is laughably bad
not even diplomacy works, you'll just get reset to 100 points with certain countries
it now takes 10 years to promote bureaucrats in a single state, the UI is a disaster, the numbers don't even show properly but I'm pretty sure that's because the math behind it all is busted
>takes 10 years to promote bureaucrats
KEK no it fricking doesn’t. moron I bet you’re promoting bureaucrats in states with non-accepted pops. Post proof.
>implying I'll download and install that bullcrap again so I can prove shit to a troon online
lol moron
I tried both Serbia And Wallachia, neither have non-accepted pops
>so much angst.
Did PA ruin the fantasy where your favourite YouTuber swoops in and saves Victoria 2, and you were there from the start? Oh wait, let me guess, you don’t know who Spudgun is or what OpenVic is, and are an objective observer who is definitely not irrationally attached to drama surrounding two open source projects.
I’ve played PA and the issue you’ve described doesn’t happen with HPM, GFM, or Crimeamod. Stop lying you homosexual.
seething autistic lying troony trying to promote a broken mod on a mongolian basketweaving imageboard lmao
I don't care about e-celebs mentioned here or their vaporware, your project is dysfunctional garbage
and I urge everyone to give it a try so they can learn themselves what a steaming pile of shit it is
>troonytroonytroonytroonytroonytroony
as a chud myself: holy shit you're obsessed
only an autistic troony dev would seethe this much about someone saying the mod is garbage
try harder next time, you eunuch freak
The fixed point gays are right, using fixed points for a game cantered around economics is the reasonable path, I don’t know what the pa devs were thinking with floating points
she is a woman with a cute brown dick
Exactly. I don’t know why OpenVic chuds struggle to understand this so much, especially since its dev team has their own menu of gock to choose from. What else can you expect from people who like Spudgun the Nazi, I guess..
can you OV homosexuals stop obsessing over trannies and their penises
why are you projecting?
schombert is the one obsessed with trannies
that's why he grooms them while having a wife
>projecting
Ewwwww TikTok moment
There is a Spectre haunting Project Alice and its name is fixed points
>tiktok
what did this underage mean by this
is pa full of kids? schoombert must be enjoying sight of them. more to groom!
Skibbidi toilet moment.. Yikes.
>pa shill is underage
>troon in pa is underage
coincidence? I think not!
Skibbidi bop bop bop bop yes yes yes yes
I wish this board had poster IDs. Why is it the worst board gets poster IDs but boards that would actually benefit from it don't?
I love ISP and Bokeon and I love Project Alice!
I *cough cough* love OpenVic
I LOVE OPENVIC MORE. Project Alice will BURN.
someone jak him
Didn't this guy have his Asian girlfriend dump him and then cried and seethed for months on end?
What a sorry thread. Judging by the fact the # of posters going up hasn't increased from this () post onwards, I can only imagine a very lonely young man with too much time on his hands is trying to push the thread over 500 replies so it'll be buried. I wonder what he's trying to hide, and if not that why he cares so much about a thread on Project Alice. The world wonders...
probably the worst thread on the board so far, I open it just to see how far it's going
It won't save Victoria threads from getting /gsg/'s brainrot
>latest video is about Imperator
Guess it's time to watch this unfunny frick for the first time in three years
Goddammit, looks like he's doing the scarecam meme these days, now I have to look at his ugly egg shaped head the entire video.
we got another shizo infestation someone should make him take his meds
nice repost, bit I was asking about a drawing of him great work anon
>I was asking about a drawing of him
no i was not
Leaf isn't a woman?????
>a bunch of gsg gays drop on pa server
>they are brown spics
Can't make this shit up. What's up with browns and worshiping white history?
if you don't get it then you're not White
you're funny
is everyone ok?
I laughed...
pagancucks... amirite fellow pedos?
how do you respond without sounding mad?
Can all of you frickers please go back to your Discord//gsg//Twitter or whatever the hell?
once i saw the legitimacy of germanism was being questioned my eyes glazed over and i switched tab
FRICK OFF IT'S NOT MY FRICKIN JOB YOU moronS I JUST DO THE RESEARCH AND YOU c**tS MAKE USE OF NEW METHODS AS YOU'RE ABLE, YOU SHOULDN'T DON'T NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL YOU HOW YO MAKE YOUR FRICKING GLASS IN YOUR GLASS FACTORY, CRETIN
MY ENTIRE FRICKIN GDP AND GLOBAL STANDING SHOULDN'T FALL BECAUSE MY FRICKING MINER MONKEYS NEED ME TO HOLD THEIR HAND INTO USING MECHANICAL TOOLS
why do paradox streamers shill victoria three if it's supposedly bad
checkmate incels
are you ok bro? you sure don't sound ok
whats a pa server
germany is not "white" history
you don't understand gamedev process takes on average 10 years now
come back in 3 years
paradox relevance as a developer can be tracked alongside bear trend pewdiepie and bull trend 'mrbeast' and a lot like modern youth culture and generation zee as a whole can be summarized with the words 'who cares?'
holy shit take your meds schizo
that's quite a cope there
now show me the latest on your abandoned gsg
We should make grand strategy games free of racism
racism is inherent in videogames
have you even played the videogame?
PA has a cute girl dev
>"pagancucks... amirite fellow pedos?"
how do you answer back without outwardly manifesting a single speck of seethe?
pagans are homosexuals
homosexuals are almost always pederasts
WOW. COOL. you can make MAPS on this thing?????
let me ask me mummy and i'll see if we cna play after supper
Vic2 is the unchallenged King of gsgs. You have console wars between fans of mods and remakes. All that for a niche game of a niche genre.
ewwwww... black!
just admit you want to use religion as a social program/aesthetic for your neo nazi larp rather than believing out of actual faith and we'll get somewhere
there are also Black person pagans in Africa but i digress
i'm not the one who brought out the "christians=white! pagans=Black folk!" argument
al
beit
though
ever...
nobody in this thread said this until the schizo posted those two pictures
>muh pagans are just a neo nazi larp
i don't think pagans give a shit what trash journos think about them little bro...
i have never seen a genuinely faithful pagan, it's always some "white supremacist" type who wants to use paganism to build a le based religion
>genuinely faithful pagan
they're mostly actual Europeans and not the sort of people to be terminally online
and yeah the average mutt pagan thinks being pagan makes him White
i'm doubtful of the faith of even actual euro neopagans
ok you've never seen a pagan, what do I have to do with your neighbour white supremacists?
So, what's your actual religious position?
Project Alice is over
It's cancelled
and?
pagancucks tend to practice European culture, they're mostly mutts that think being 0.10% scandinavian means they get to be paganv
/gsg/ homosexuals need to GO BACK to their containment general
I love how 50% of the thread is either actual talk about Alice or OpenVic, the other 50% is some random schizo rambling
marge?
hoi4cels lost
who are you talking to
to the guy that said hoi4cels wife left him
>he doesn't know
wheres the new bake
no generals on vst we need to wait for the next PA update
it's not a general just another thread dangerously close to the previous one