Word Bearers should be the box art Chaos sub-faction.
I get that Black Legion is Horus' legion and that is a good reason for them to be the default, but there are 2 good reasons it should be Word Bearers instead.
1. Lorgar caused Horus to fall.
It was he that first turned to Chaos, it was he that tempted Horus. The entire Horus Heresy is in fact Lorgar's doing. Horus is gone and Abaddon is a jobber. After 12 previous pointless crusades, Cadia blew up and they immediately founded New Cadia so it didn't fricking matter. It's time for Abaddon to go live on a farm upstate and take his legion with him.
2. Word Bearers actually worship Chaos.
The Black Legion are merely using Chaos for their own advantage. They are not dedicated to the Gods. GW have this grimderp obsession with the main guy of Chaos not actually liking the Chaos Gods, it was in Fantasy too, but its moronic. From a lore standpoint its moronic, and from a gameplay standpoint its moronic. They still end up doing the bidding of the Gods and their abilities and mechanics are all about receiving boons for pleasing the Gods. It just doesn't make sense.
Word Bearers on the other hand literally worship Chaos in the same way the loyalists worship The Emperor. It's a really nice parallel, and works far better with the mechanics of praying to the Gods for boons.
I agree but your reasoning is dumb fluffshit that no one cares about.
They should be the box art faction because silver and dark red is a kino color scheme.
>dumb fluffshit that no one cares about.
Stay mad lorelet. Fluff gets you models, just look at Ultramarines.
>color scheme
If anything the red needs to be even darker because at a glance they look too much like World Eaters
>Fluff gets you models
there are many instances of things that previously only existed as background lore being made into models
see: skitarii
Before admech got their whole range, what was the fluff of their army like? Still skitari? Battle-tech-priests?
Skitarii were always a thing, but their descriptions and depictions varied a lot. Sometimes they were just like the models now depict, and sometimes they were weird techno-tribal warriors covered in fetishes and skulls. There were also some repeatedly mentioned units that AM still don't have on the tabletop, like the gigantic praetorian servitors made from ogryns.
Note that this 4th edition artwork of a Skitarius pretty closely matches the actual models.
>Blanche Skitarii look like chads
If only you knew how good things could have been.
>gigantic praetorian servitors made from ogryns
Aren't those the Kataphron servitors that run around on tank tracks shooting people with plasma and grav cannons?
No. Kataphrons are made from regular humans. Praetorians are much larger (taller than a space marine), can be on tracks or mechanical legs, and iirc wield rotary cannons.
Ultramarines are the poster child because they are the jack of all trades chapter just like the black legion is the jack of all trades legion.
They’re not though. Ultramarines are the extra special, literally “do things by the book” faction. They’re generalists because they are exemplars of what a Space Marine is.
Black Legion on the other hand are less than nothing. They are the box art Chaos Space Marine faction and they don’t even worship Chaos. They just have to be that special kind of edgy where they use Chaos for power because, again, GW literally just cut and paste Archaon into 40k.
No one who wants CSM is looking for that, see the huge demand for mono-god CSM subfactions. People who like CSM want to play guys who worship dark gods. That’s what Word Bearers are.
>Black Legion on the other hand are less than nothing.
Actually, in the Long War, the Black Legion are exemplars of the Traitor Legions exactly luike the Ultramarines. They are the standard that other legions measure themselves.
>GW literally just cut and paste Archaon into 40k.
Other way around, dipshit. The recent incarnation of Archaon stole from Abaddon charactization.
> People who like CSM want to play guys who worship dark gods.
Wrong. Fabius and Ahriman are liked because they defy the Chaos. How many Fabius is an atheist in the face of Chaos memes have been posted recently?
Your opinion =/= the fandom.
>Stay mad lorelet. Fluff gets you models, just look at Ultramarines.
The secondary believing he is superior to the patrician primary is such a strange thing.
I don't care homie post something interesting
Lead by example
I do tend to agree anon. Not only are Lorgar and the Word Bearers the cornerstone reason the Horus Heresy happened, they are also indirectly why the Imperium is what it is now. Their impact upon the setting is arguably more than that of the Luna Wolves/Black Legion. And from a box art standpoint having blue guy Ultramarines vs red guy Word Bearers makes a lot more sense.
>Their impact upon the setting is arguably more than that of the Luna Wolves/Black Legion.
It's insane that they've been shelved so hard despite that
>And from a box art standpoint having blue guy Ultramarines vs red guy Word Bearers makes a lot more sense.
Good point, nice.
>they should be the face because of [blah blah HH homosexualry]
Nah. They should be the face because they actually worship chaos and represent the concept chaos far better than the Blacked Legion, who are tsundere for chaos. You don't need to delve into 124+ books of daddy issues like some sort of homosexual to justify it.
>Nah. They should be the face because they actually worship chaos and represent the concept chaos far better than the Blacked Legion, who are tsundere for chaos.
Holy shit, would you read before posting. That was literally point 2
It should've been your only point, yet you put more weight on Daddy Issues Heresy homosexualry like the homosexual you are.
>yet you put more weight on Daddy Issues Heresy homosexualry
>point 2 is almost twice as long as point 1
Take the L moron. This isn't reddit, you don't have to save face when you post something moronic without reading because it's tied to your name. Either cop to it or just slink away, no one will know.
>leviathan
Except when they made Old One Eye HF Behemoth for no fricking reason
>Take the L
>OP is a zoomer homosexual
I guess that explains your love of homosexual Heresy
That’s a skibidi Ohio rizz right there
>why is there a Guillman model?
>why is there a Vashtorr model?
>why is there a Johnson model?
The answer is fluff
"We need big centerpiece models to sell"
Yeah great, and if GW had dropped those models without saying who or what they were at all, no one would buy them unless they had crazy stats.
The lore defines what kind of characters and creatures can exist in the setting and is specifically geared towards making models more appealing to buy.
This isn’t just “tall Space Marine with fire sword and busted stats” it’s the primarch of the Ultramarines Roboute Guilliman wielding the Emperor’s sword.
This isn’t just “mechanical daemon prince” it’s Vashtorr an aspiring God of Chaos
Pretending fluff is irrelevant or even actively a distraction from the actual game is moronic wannabe grog bullshit.
>durrrr me a REAL gamer! Me only care about overpriced plastic! Lore is for secondaries!!
Cool, cool. The lore is entirely responsible for what shitty plastic toys GW spends their time modelling and manufacturing. While you’re busy pretending you’re 2kool4skool because you don’t care about lore, GW is actively gauging what lore is most likely to sell toys and then allocating their resources accordingly
I agree that they *ought* to be. Your points are absolutely correct, but they're also the reason why everybody hates them. Lore-wise, we're supposed to hate them. Every named Word Bearer is a fricking scumbag. Lorgar is a pathetic primarch in practically every way. Game-wise, nobody knows what the frick a Word Bearer is because nobody plays them because they're fluffy (see the previous two sentences).
Visual/marketing-wise, juxtaposing the red/silver of the Word Bearers against the blue/gold of the Ultramarines on the box art does look good. But then you kind of run into the problem of Word Bearers looking a little too similar to World Eaters (not to mention that Word and World sound very similar), and the World Eaters are a much more iconic faction. *Everybody* who has any inkling of 40k knows "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" and has absolutely no idea what the frick a Word Bearer is.
No, the answer is not fluff, the answer is "people will buy Herohammer models." If anything, the fluff answer is "do not make models of the primarchs for 40k because it makes NO SENSE to see them on so many tabletops."
Yeah, Raven Guard vs Word Bearers would have been 1000% better. Very fluffy and thematic.
>Game-wise, nobody knows what the frick a Word Bearer is because nobody plays them because they're fluffy
I don’t think this is true at all
OOE has been Behemoth since its introduction in 3E
His old model was blatantly not painted to be Behemoth though, he was fricking black and yellow
it's all covered by the 5th book
Yes but GW is inexplicably fixated on black legion, ultramanrines, leviathan and saim-hann for some reason.
Black is the most evil color.
It's late to whine about it now but this box set was obviously supposed to be Raven Guard vs Word Bearers if it wasn't for GW fiat that everything has to be Ultratimmies vs Black Legion.
Pretty sure it dosn't matter and they where always meant to be the post facton
Is the Chaos combat patrol worth copping?
why do you think it matters who is on the front of the box
btw this is the best word bearers scheme
It’s pretty disappointing to get into the hobby with Chaos, only to find out “the main guys” of your faction don’t even actually worship Chaos and exist to give Ultramarines someone to dab on.
With Word Bearers on the box and getting more attention Chaos would feel more like Chaos should, and being so similar to loyalist marines there’s a tiny crumb of a chance that GW might actually spend more time fleshing them out and bulking their range
>It’s pretty disappointing to get into the hobby with Chaos, only to find out “the main guys” of your faction don’t even actually worship Chaos and exist to give Ultramarines someone to dab on.
I fail to see what the Black Legion being lame has to do with my Iron Warriors or Flawless Host
Lmao when is the last time your legions even got a mention?
Anyway, if you’ll carefully reread the post you’re replying to:
> It’s pretty disappointing to get into the hobby with Chaos, only to find out “the main guys” of your faction don’t even actually worship Chaos and exist to give Ultramarines someone to dab on.
>the main guys
>the main guys
>the main guys
Only 1 subfaction can go on the box art. I don’t care whatever moronic obscure legion you may paint your toy soldiers as, this is a conversation about why Black Legion should not be GW’s focus and why it should instead be Word Bearers.
If you don’t care one way or the other, then there’s no need for you to reply, is there?
>Lmao when is the last time your legions even got a mention?
IW were last mentioned in one of the very recent White Dwarf articles about Vashtorr.
Most Loyalist Marines don't worship the Emperor you dumbass. The vast majority are not believers in the Imperial Cult.
Correction: most loyalist marines don’t worship the Emperor AS DIVINE. They all worship him on some level as their creator and the protector of mankind
the lodge in loyalist legions continued well beyond the reformation to the present point in time
Haven't seen anyone mention it yet, but the Black Legion isn't a traditional legion, it's a massive warband drawn from all of the chaos legions, so it actually makes more sense to treat them as the poster boys instead of leaving it to a single legion.
So by that logic, Freebooterz should be the Ork poster child?
1. Lorgar was literally just Chaos' ticket to Horus, their actual prize. Similarly, LW/SH/BL were a far more powerful Legion than WB and actually lead the entire rebellion.
>Abaddon is a jobber
Lorgar got dunked on by Corax twice, was losing to Guilliman despite his newfound psychic bullshit powers and got utterly BTFO when he tried to backstab Horus. And that's discounting all the times he got verbally ethered by his brothers.
2. As pointed out, Black Legion is no longer Sons of Horus, it is a massive warband with members from all Chaos Legions including Word Bearers, and in addition to being the successor of the main traitor Legion that makes them a no-brained candidate for leaders/poster boys.
>Black Legion is no longer Sons of Horus, it is a massive warband with members from all Chaos Legions
That's true of every CSM legion. Even World Eaters/Thousand Sons/Death Guard aren't JUST World Eaters/Thousand Sons/Death Guard
I really doubt you'd find Thousand Sons members in World Eaters and vice-versa, while you WILL actually find both of these in Black Legion. Also, the core principles of those legions are intact, they're only accepting outsiders who conform to them, while BL is a completely separate entity from SH and incorporates massive warbands with completely different ideologies who are only united under Abaddon.
>while you WILL actually find both of these in Black Legion.
And in the Word Bearers
And in the Red Corsairs
And in any other Chaos Undivided legion
Way to completely miss my point, btw. I was saying not even every WE/DG/TS warband can trace their roots back to the Heresy. Being a loose conglomerate of outcasts and renegades is the default, not a special position only BL holds.
There are 500,000 BL Legionaries and only 20,000 DG, 10,000 WE, 10,000 EC, 10,000 TS etc. The BL comprise the majority of chaos marines.
Post-Heresy Death Guard are bigger than Pre-Heresy which puts them at over 100,000 at least.
I can’t believe this needs restating:
The numbers aren’t fricking real.
GW could find a million Death Guard down the back of the sofa at any time.
GW wants to sell more SM? Behold, primaris and hover tanks. Doesn’t that conflict with the Imperium being technologically stagnant? Yeah but we’ll lampshade it by saying the guy behind all this knows he’s not supposed to!
GW wants to sell more Necron characters? Just rewrite the lore so powerful Necrons are basically human! Doesn’t that conflict with the established lore that Necrons have unknowable minds and are basically unfeeling machines? Yeah but we’ll just say biotransferrence made them all a bit crazy, then they can feel as many emotions as they want! Really marketable emotions like pettiness and revenge and curiosity!
It doesn’t fricking matter bros. The limits of the lore don’t fricking matter. What matters is how it changes the game.
>Nothing matters.
That's not an argument.
It’s also not what I said.
I said what DOES matter is the impact on the game.
What doesn’t matter is what imaginary fricking number is attributed to each legion. There could be 100 Black Legion, there could be 10 billion. Those numbers mean nothing because they can be changed at any fricking time.
As shown by example the imaginary fricking limits of the setting don’t fricking matter if GW wants to do something, they wil figure out a way for it to fit in lore or they will just retcon it
Arguing back and forth about what imaginary limits there are to a completely mutable setting is a giant waste of time.
What you are saying is that you are boiling it down to just your opinion of what "impact" is and you are being vague about it since you didn't define what "impact" is.
This isn't going anywhere because you will just loop back to "nothing matters" no matter what is said to you because this has no solid foundations at all. What a waste of time.
>being vague
I gave you 2 fricking examples.
New models, new gameplay mechanics. Something other than imaginary fricking numbers.
>Cadia blew up there’s only a heckin 3 million of them left and NONE of them have been in any recent battles in lore!!!!!
Amazing, meanwhile Cadians are still the fricking box art for Imperial Guard, they are pretty much the only IG subfaction even getting new models, so what does your lore wank actually mean? Nothing.
I’ll give you another example of impact since you’re so moronic. If in lore Cadia blew up and GW said “that’s it, Cadians are fricking gone. You can still play them and they will have rule support as a minor subfaction, but from now on Krieg is the main IG faction, we’re releasing a new range of Krieg models and they will be the default way to play” that’s impact.
>you will just loop back to "nothing matters"
Point me to where I have said that. Go ahead. Do it anon. You put it in quotations so it’s a quote right? Where did I say it?
Here, let me point you to what I’ve actually said:
>The numbers aren’t fricking real.
>GW could find a million Death Guard down the back of the sofa at any time.
>It doesn’t fricking matter bros. The limits of the lore don’t fricking matter. What matters is how it changes the game.
Nothing matters.
Death Guard is gay.
1. The fact that Lorgar has been treated like shit by GW does not mean he should continue to be treated so.
In fact it proves the point that Abaddon has had his time in the spotlight while Lorgar has always been relegated. It’s time for change. Abaddon can go lick his wound for a couple millennia while Lorgar finally does something noteworthy
2. You still haven’t explained how being a big clusterfrick of Chaos is a good thing or worthy of being the poster boys. Again, why shouldn’t Freebooterz be the Ork poster boys then? Why shouldn’t Death Watch be the Space Marine poster boys?
You’re treating it as though being eclectic has some inherent value but you can’t articulate a single reason why.
I can tell you why Word Bearers being the poster boys is good: they were the first legion to turn to Chaos, they instigated the entire foundational story of the whole setting, and they actually worship Chaos which is what most players would expect of a Chaos faction whereas Black Legion are the same Fantasy grimderp of insisting that they do not bow to Chaos meanwhile they constantly do the bidding of the Gods in lore and all their mechanics revolve around begging the Gods for boons
It's almost like having the villains be hypocritical monsters is the idea. Weird.
>It's almost like having the villains be hypocritical monsters is the idea
It isn’t though.
Warhammer isn’t some brilliant pastiche of literary tropes. GW just think it’s cool and grimdark if the champion of Chaos hates Chaos and believes he’s using them for his own power.
In their own minds they justify this as being more appealing to the Chaos Gods because they get to play a game in trying to compete among themselves to turn the champion to their worship exclusively.
It is literally play for play ripped from how Fantasy wrote Archaon.
Being corrupted and deceived by your own hubris isn't a grand literary tale. It's basic b***h GvsE.
Lorgar and his Bible but evil isn't as cool looking, books are for nerds not big bad macho marines. Cope however you need.
>books are for nerds
I’m going to summon a daemon directly into your PC, then we’ll see who’s laughing
Sorry OP, but Eldar are The Red Faction™, just like Orks are The Light Green Faction™, Deldar are The Dark Green Facton™, Tyranids are The Purple Faction™ and Tau are The Ochre Faction™. CSM are going to have to stick to being The Black Faction™.
I personally prefer Deldar be the Dark Purple Faction™ while the IG be the Dark Green Faction™
GW will change the Eldar box art when their team finally learns about tampons.
They may also cut any reference to Khorne not caring from whence the blood flows
>Tau are The Ochre Faction™
They've been white for years now. And orks keep bouncing between black and yellow. And off-white with snaggas
Does anyone even know the names of the fricking Tau subfactions?
To be entirely fair I don't even know space marine subfactions.
If you play 40k you know at least a handful of them.
Ultramarines, White Scars, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Blood Angels, Salamanders, Imperial Fists…
Crimson Fists, Black Templars, Flesh Tearers, Blood Ravens…
Idk those are all the ones that come to mind. I know you know some of them.
Not all of them but yeah. Tau, Tau'n (or T'au'n, whatever the frick way they put the apostrophes in), Vior'la, Dal'yth, Farsight, Bork'an. Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. And they're Septs.
tbh I only remember Bork'an because it has 'Bork' in the name and sounds like "Borkin'". I think there's another like "Deyano" or some shit and a few others.
What do they do?
The same thing everyone else does. Only war.
I meant as subfactions. To me T’”’au™ are the biggest one note faction in the setting. Just the shooty guys. I guess they can shoot with tanks, lil dudes, or gundam, but from the outside it really looks like ever subfaction is just all 3. I assume that’s why they’re trying to push Kroot this edition
That's called having a faction identity. I know you're used to the flavorless blobs called space marines that can have any template sloppily plastered to them, but other factions have an identity they have to adhere to. Even then you've got some fun ones in tau, such as:
>mecha obsessed breakaway civilization
>heavy armor division
>spec ops specialists
>warp-spooked xenophobe tau supremacists
>ragtag pirates for hire that were abandoned in Imperium space
The last one isn't a full on subfaction so much as a codex blurb but they're still worth mentioning because it's a cool concept that pretty heavily deviates from "normal" tau
I never liked how the major Elfdar craftworlds are in bright heraldic colors. Always felt like the Eldar should be more ghostly and alien. Turquoise, celadon, pale gray, lilac, that sort of color.
Didn't Biel-Tan used to be the boxart faction for Eldar? I seem to remember Eldar Guardians and stuff being white and green on boxes. Why'd they change it?
Yeah I remember green tanks and wraiths with the thorn pattern painted on them all over, not sure about when that changed
Saim hann is the box art one, Biel Tan is the logical choice one, and somehow most people I know think Ulthwe is the main character craftworld because of Eldrad
Name a single important thing Ball Tan did in the lore. Not throwaway battles in the timeline sections. Things in the same line as Death Masque.
You.Can't.
>Name a single important thing Ball Tan did in the lore
Getting dabbed on by Chaos Daemons as part of the abortive Ynnari release. I think Guilliman's elf waifu was meant to be from Biel-Tan too, although it doesn't really matter since she doesn't really have anything overtly Aspect Warrior-y about her
Then they disappeared from the main stage. They were used as a prop for the Ynnari same as Iyaden in the same book. Worse, Ball Tan exiled or killed any Ynnari on board removing them from the main Aeldari storyline. Ulthwe is still relevant as they are still in contact with Roboute and the Ynnari.
I mean that thematically they make the most sense as they're the mosty hostile, hence most likely to come into conflict with any faction, lorewise Idk, they helped Iyanden fight off two hive fleets in the Valedor novel but even then it focuses more on the seers from Iyanden/Prince Yriel with the Biel Tan characters being more in the background doing the fighting
Fighting people a lot doesn't make one main protagonist material otherwise the World Eaters would be the main guys of Chaos.
If you unpick the lore focus for the Aeldari since 8th ed it's just Eldrad and his exiles alongside the Ynnari. The only Ball Tan character in this ground is the Autarch who merged with the first shard of Khaine and wields Anaris. So people assume correctly that Ulthwe is the main Aeldari dudes.
>should be
>prove me wrong
The name is to ambiguous and not threatening enough to be mainline badguys. That's it. Shrimple.
How about “Tome Rapists”?
The target audience dosnt even know what a tome is.
Its tomb, ESL
BL are the poster child probably because their color scheme matches the Chaos Warrior default color scheme (Black metals with cold accents for icons, red cloths, the odd bit of bone).
Kind of sucks as a WB fan but I bet that's the reasoning.
what GW paint is that tho?
Mephistyamum
Who gives a shit marine slop pig.
Get the frick back in your containment thread
I'm not going to debate your points, OP. The Word Bearers should be the front face of the chaos space marines.
Your post made me go pic related.
>If I remember correctly
The Word Bearers have mostly maintained legion structure the best out of all the chaos legions. Yes there are still successor warbands but overall the legion has stayed together the most somehow.
There's also a certain logical "turn" that the Black Legion can take after the Fall of Cadia to make for a transition from Black Legion being the front facing chaos space marine faction to the Word Bearers being the front facing chaos space marine faction:
What's really next for the Black Legion besides assaulting the Imperium of Man some more that basically every Chaos Space Marine warband does? The 13 Black Crusades are done, the Imperium is cut in half now, if anything can be be said then now would be the perfect time for warbands under the Black Legion to start breaking away and doing their own thing now. And Abby will have to spend his time trying get back at them to make examples of them to why nobody breaks away from the Black Legion. All while trying to hold it together while the Word Bearers become the front face of the Chaos space marine legion.
Really the grounds are set for the change honestly. I wouldn't mind at all.
>if anything can be be said then now would be the perfect time for warbands under the Black Legion to start breaking away and doing their own thing now
They already are. Half of Abby's current "story" is keeping the BL together because after the fall of cadia they keep splintering into self-interested warbands pursuing their own raids.
I'm actually surprised now, anon.
What book or rulebook was this plot forwarding revealed in?
I think it was in the Nachtmund Gauntlet stuff. He tried to conquer the Gauntlet and almost immediately a huge chunk of his forces scattered to go take on easy raids on undefended planets instead of strategically assaulting the fortified key worlds the Imperium is occupying to keep it open for travel
Dude, I have all the Nachmund books. Literally all of them. Please point out which one you basing your posts on because I assure you are wrong.
It's actually amazing how off the mark you are. The Black Legion dominate the Gauntlet with the largest Black Legion fleet ever recorded.
You disappointed me, anons.
Chaddest reply ITT
Now how do we convince GW?
>Now how do we convince GW?
The window of opportunity for such a thing to happen is when the Daemon Primarch Lorgar is eventually released. Only then is there a chance for GW lore writers to realize that it is better to have the posterboy dynamic be Ultramarines vs Word Bearers due to their historic rivalry going back as far as the betrayal at Calth and that blue teams vs red teams are a classic staple due to how the colours contrast with each other nicely.
Black Legion became homosexual when they became the United Colors of Chaos. They used to have hatred: chaos legions, and would just show up to frick shit up. Their cult units were explicitly not devout to their gods instead of now where you get shit like Hounds of Abaddon. Plus, all of their lore now is devoted to sucking off Abaddon. I tried reading the Black Legion novels and their terrible deviantart tier fanfiction. Suddenly Black Legion is no longer successors of Horus and the evolution of the SoH. The majority of their important founders are from different legions. And the black and gold looks fugly, give back the bronze.
central 40k conflict should be Imperial Fists vs Word Bearers
Nah the real posterboys for chaos should be the Red Corsairs. For these reasons:
>Have a cool story about how their fall to chaos was mostly because of the Imperium's incompetency rather than an innate flaw
>Varied enough that you can basically do whatever you want with them
>Worship all Chaos but are distant enough from it that you can do your own thing as a general theme for the army
>Anybody can join them at any time for any reason, meaning you can also use bits from loyalist kits or pieces from mono-god armies and everything fits.
>Make for a cool narrative base to build themed armies
>Literally just space pirates
>They do whatever the frick they want
Red Corsairs are more Chaothic than most of the original Legions. After Abbaddon's grand narrative of the black crusade ended in a nothingburger they are the best potential representatives of chaos as a whole
enough that you can basically do whatever you want with them
People keep saying this as if it’s a good thing, yet can never explain why. Why is a lack of identity better than an identity? Thank frick you don’t work in marketing
all Chaos but are distant enough from it that you can do your own thing as a general theme for the army
just space pirates
These are negatives not positives when you’re looking for an army to represent Chaos
Anon, I think you’re completely confused between what you personally like and what makes for a good box art Chaos subfaction
>Varied enough that you can basically do whatever you want with them
You just described what Black Legion currently is.
Or how about...
And hear me out here, I know this is an absolutely radical idea
GW actually ALTERNATED the subfactions they give the spotlight to in each box instead of exclusively focusing on a single one?
Like ok, keep your "Muh alternate molds too expensive" excuse for why we only ever see cadians for IG, but space marines and chaos and other factions that only alternate color schemes have literally no reason not to have a different chapter on the box each time.
frick you GW
We all want special things anon, but the point of the box art subfaction is to sell you on the faction. It is a holotype. When you have a new player or an experienced player who doesn’t know much about other factions you can present them the box art.
These are X guys, they do Y thing. Got it.
Which is why is so confusing that the box art for Chaos don’t actually worship Chaos and think they’re actually taking advantage of Chaos, meanwhile their lore and mechanics say they’re the b***hes of the Chaos Gods and go around doing their bidding whilst begging for a crumb of power.
That’s not what a person interested in Chaos actually wants to play, they want a Chaos faction to be about worshipping dark gods. Which is probably why fricking no one plays Black Legion unless they just want to run Abaddon, and there’s so much hype for mono-god CSM
I wish Black Legion was cool enough that this wasn't a strong argument. They're supposed to be the best and brightest, Horus' legion and Chaos' biggest threat to the Imperium, but they come across as mooks who weren't cool enough for their own, more flavorful legions.
The CSM combat patrol was basically Word Bearers anyway, real missed opportunity.
I disagree. They have a cool color scheme, great ideology, and amazing characters.
Also, they have the best lore in fighting the Imperium. Other legions' contributions to the Long War are shitty.
How many Black Crusades did the Word Bearers lead? Zero.
OP's post is also pretty shitty and full of lorelet crap. There is no "New Cadia". There are a slew of new Cadias. The Cadian survivors settled on a lot of planets and named them Cadia. It means nothing because they hold no tactical or strategic importance. They are just massive copes
>How many Black Crusades did the Word Bearers lead? Zero
How many Black Crusades achieved anything at all? Zero.
>There is no "New Cadia". There are a slew of new Cadias. The Cadian survivors settled on a lot of planets and named them Cadia.
>um akshually there is no new Cadia, there’s dozens of them!
This isn’t making the point you think it is lmao
>It means nothing because they hold no tactical or strategic importance. They are just massive copes
Anon, it’s all fricking imaginary. There is no “strategic importance” in a fricking made up world. GW could print something tomorrow that says “New Cadia CXIII is actually of high strategic importance as the Eye of Terror has shifted and also the planet is made out of a metal that kills daemons on contact” and that’s it, that’s the new fricking lore.
What is actually impactful to the lore is the biggest faction of Guard losing their home planet and becoming a rare breed. But GW could never commit to that because Cadians have to be the box art.
>Also, they have the best lore in fighting the Imperium.
Most wins given to them =/= best lore.
>How many Black Crusades did the Word Bearers lead? Zero.
It was called the Horus Heresy, maybe you've heard of it.
>Most wins given to them =/= best lore.
It is because that's the metric this thread is going with and I go with it then the Word Bearers have zero wins and thus are a incomptenet faction.
>How many Black Crusades achieved anything at all? Zero.
Every single Black Legion Black Crusade was a victory.
>This isn’t making the point you think it is lmao
It is the Imperials coping is a point against you. The Black Legion left the Cadian Gate. So whatever the Cadian in whatever part of the galaxy they are settling don't matter to anyone.
>Anon, it’s all fricking imaginary. There is no “strategic importance” in a fricking made up world. GW could print something tomorrow that says “New Cadia CXIII is actually of high strategic importance as the Eye of Terror has shifted and also the planet is made out of a metal that kills daemons on contact” and that’s it, that’s the new fricking lore.
Shit take because you don't make the lore. You don't get to decide what's important. GW does and they decide that the new Cadias are just symbolic namings and nothing more.
>What is actually impactful to the lore is the biggest faction of Guard losing their home planet and becoming a rare breed. But GW could never commit to that because Cadians have to be the box art.
There are 3 million Cadians left. They are a dying breed. All recent warzones feature ZERO Cadians in them. They are not in the pariah Nexus. They are not in Tyrannic 4th.
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>It was called the Horus Heresy, maybe you've heard of it.
The Word Bearers didn't lead it. Lorgar attempted to usurp Horus but got beaten like a dog and was thrown out.
Tell me honestly, have you ever been diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome?
If not, genuine advice, get checked.
The only point I’m even going to bother to reply to is
>There are 3 million Cadians left. They are a dying breed. All recent warzones feature ZERO Cadians in them.
How many recent IG model/box set releases have featured zero Cadians?
Nice you can argue so you ad hom and run. Obvious, Cowardly, and pathetic. How about this advice, grow some balls, you gutless waste of space.
>How many recent IG model/box set releases have featured zero Cadians?
As per the codex, a lot of Imperial Guard regiments have adopted the Cadian standard of training and tactics. They are mimicking the Cadians.
The Cadians themselves are only 3 million in the whole galaxy.
can't argue*
My guy, your every post just comes down to how “um akshually the lore says this” with 0 regard for how little that means or the realities of its effect (or lack thereof) on perceptions and the game itself.
I’ll even give you an example:
You were told that the 13 Black Crusades did not matter
Your response was to say that Black Legion is important because of the Black Crusades
You were asked if any of the Black Crusades achieved anything
You said they were all victories.
Do you get it? How can I help you anon?
Not only are you completely unable to distinguish between significance on paper and significance to the actual setting and the game, you can’t understand the point being made when a question is posed to you
The question of “did the Black Crusades matter?” Is not answered by “they were all victories”.
You almost certainly have Asperger’s, it’s not an ad hominem, it’s an observation.
>My guy, your every post just comes down to how “um akshually the lore says this” with 0 regard for how little that means or the realities of its effect (or lack thereof) on perceptions and the game itself.
That entire statement translates to I am putting my fingers in my ears and going nananana. That's embarrassing...for you.
Now lets skip your delusions and go to OPs post. ZOOOOM scroll up
>Abaddon is a jobber. After 12 previous pointless crusades,
What the frick is this? Building his powerbase and weakening Cadian Gate which is the most defended and powerful region in the Imperium outside of the Sol system counts as pointless and achieved nothing? The ONLY Chaos invasions that the Imperium truly cared about and did any lasting damage.
The most covered and fleshout Chaos conflicts for the past 20 years mean nothing and achieved nothing because you said so?
Who is an autist now, you pathetic wretch? You can't even articulate an argument. Yes, come one. Bring on your next post. Project harder.
homie you’re doing it again.
Projection. Ad hom and run away. Again.
Do you think GW cares about the perception of zerowits who don't read the lore? Do you think your ignorance is a mandated law that they have to adhere to?
No. GW wrote their lore. They know how it reads and they don't care what idiots who get their lore from reddit memes see stuff. They have a story to tell. Too bad that your fanfiction is not part of it.
You are a worthless person in every regard.
Again:
>My guy, your every post just comes down to how “um akshually the lore says this” with 0 regard for how little that means or the realities of its effect (or lack thereof) on perceptions and the game itself.
>you are completely unable to distinguish between significance on paper and significance to the actual setting and the game
Turbosperg all you want about how cool Abaddon is and how strategically important Cadia was, it’s all imaginary. What matters is how people perceive it and the effect it has on the game. In both regards, all the lore you dredge up has absolutely 0 impact
>In both regards, all the lore you dredge up has absolutely 0 impact
Objectively false.
You can't even back it up.
We, or the guys other than you, are discussing the 40K setting and its factions. And which is better as representation of Chaos.
Moreover, what you are doing has nothing to do with OPs post nor the posts I replied to. You are sounding pretty autistic right now. You dropped into a conversation and spouted pure nonsense.
None of the 13 Black Crusades did anything. No one even knows what happened in the first 12, and the 13th blew up a planet that was immediately replaced.
Your Asperger’s prevents you from understanding this because all you can see is that on paper Cadia going boom SHOULD matter, even though it doesn’t.
I can only assume your violent seething at being told you’re an aspie means you’ve not yet been diagnosed. Get tested at the earliest opportunity, you’ll find life suddenly makes so much more sense, and I won’t even ask that you thank me
>None of the 13 Black Crusades did anything.
>No one even knows what happened in the first 12,
Objectively false. A a number of the Black Crusades were covered extensively in 3rd edition and 4th. The 12th Black Crusade aka the Gothiv War was a major narrative novel series and a BFG campaign book.
They were all fleshed out when the Liber Chaotica dropped.
6th ED then released the Black Legion supplement which was followed by the Black Legion series. Both went in depth explaining every detail of the Black Crusades.
> 13th blew up a planet that was immediately replaced.
No, it wasn't. It's like saying America was nuked and a few survivors named a tiny island in ocean New America so it means America was replaced!. That's moronic. You are moronic.
You are a joke, dude. I am actually laughing at you right now. Seriously, what the frick are you smoking?
> all you can see is that on paper Cadia going boom SHOULD matter, even though it doesn’t.
It has. The Great Rift was created. There is no corridor holding Chaos back. The Cadian Gate ceased being important for the Black Legion.
It doesn't because you say so? What an amazing argument. Truly the greatest mind of our time!
One of the most fascinating things about this site is getting to watch anons on the spectrum do the same thing over and over again even when it’s pointed out that you’re doing it.
Buddy…the importance of the things you’re talking about is imaginary, okay? This was already explained to you. Whatever super special importance the lore SAYS Cadia has, that’s all imaginary.
If GW wrote that a billion planets just simultaneously exploded one day, no one would pay any attention to them unless it actually changed the game or their understanding of the setting.
I really want you to understand this.
Nothing has changed with the fall of Cadia. Absolutely nothing. It’s all imaginary numbers. Ultimately Cadians still exist, they’re sold in every box of IG, and the setting is in a permanent stalemate because it has to be for the game to exist as it does.
Please, please try to understand this.
If it doesn't matter then you're defeating your own argument moron. What does it matter then if he believes cadia matters? You're just a no-fun homosexual that hates change by the sounds of it.
Are you going disregard what you made dozens of wrong moronic statements? Fricking dipshit c**t.
>Whatever super special importance the lore SAYS Cadia has, that’s all imaginary.
We are discussing an imaginary setting that has solid narrative foundations. Cadia is one of them. You saying it's imaginary is not a refutation. It's not an argument. You are not saying anything to prove your point.
>Nothing has changed with the fall of Cadia.
Everything changed. The fricking face of the setting changed.
The setting is not in a stalemate narratively. The Cadians no longer have any importance in the setting. They haven't been involved in any major conflicts.
The game plotlines progressed.
And besides all of that, it has nothing to do with the Black Legion vs Word Bearers which going by OP is a fluff and theme debate. You idiot.
Holy shit he’s still going.
I accept your concession.
Not that guy, but Cadians *SHOULD* frick off and die, but GW wants to shove them down our throats just, so even if there were only 2 Cadians left in canon existence, they'd be able to repopulate an entire planet.
Failbaddon memes have infected most people who post here and haven't read any of the actual lore. I don't particularly love Abaddon, but they have (re)written him to be much more of a "tactical genius" than everybody assumed. He achieved his goals during almost every Black Crusade, even if it looked like "oh he attacked Cadia again and was repelled, glorious Imperial victory!" That's something that we have to take with a grain of salt, because GW likes to flavour all of their lore with an implicit Imperial tone. Mankind always win, Chaos always loses, Xenos always loses... So says the Imperium of Man.
>3 million is a dying breed
Anon I don't know if you're aware of this but humans can reproduce fairly quickly.
Given the attrition rate of the current galaxy, it won't be fast enough. It only has been a decade since Cadia fell and the Cadians have not stopped fighting. How many of these 3 million are alive now?
Lmao this dude thinks he’s still on reddit arguing about Ukraine
Imagine worshiping sentient energy created from your emotions. lol lmao
Other way around. The Chaos Gods are the reason you have emotions in the first place.
I don’t remember “fart” being an emotion
Black Legion at least have more identity than Corsairs. But either way, it isn’t a good thing.
I feel the need to repeat this, but your box art faction isn’t the one for “doing whatever you want with” it’s supposed to practically be a caricature of what the faction is about. Then when you get into that faction you choose the “do whatever you want” subfaction if that’s what you want to do
>Abaddon
>Jobber
The man responsible for cicatrix maeldictum is a jobber? Lol. What had boregar done since the heresy? Nothing. He was so boring the chaos gods immediately shelved him as soon as they got Horus.
You already lost this one, aspie. Pretending to be someone else isn’t going to work.
That's a different guy. And you are failing top argue even against him.
You’re going to get the support you need once you have your Asperger’s diagnosis, I promise.
Don't project. You str obviously fumbling and can't hold a conversation. You have yet to form a coherent relevant argument.
Not him, but you are an extremely autistic ESL, and clearly need to take meds and start going on a diet.
I am him and I say you are one lacking the ability to read basic English.
>They'll throw in fully behind one power, only to jump ship and give their false worship to another the moment the first fails them.
No, you moron. That was the Sons of Horus before Abaddon turned them to the Black Legion. They did that to survive and they paid a heavy price for it.
The Black Legion is about finding balance with Chaos. Being Undivided and using Chaos without losing one self.
Aspie aspie
Must go backsie
Reddit mods own your assie
Wasted life on reading lore
Can’t figure out what’s real anymore
>whines about the lore
>I am not talking about the lore!
Troll or a moron. I can't tell.
>Sons of Horus before Abaddon turned them to the Black Legion
Except it's not. Read the books.
Do you mean outdated books that don't reflect the faction as it is now?
How about something from 6th ED and up when the Black Legion got a revamp?
It's like pulling an Oldcron codex and saying here it's the lore of the faction now!
New lore is that any variation on the theme of chaos works as long as they submit to the Warmaster. And the Warmaster personally sees the gods as a means to an end, not beings to be worshipped. So no, balance in Chaos isn't their approach to the still. And the SoH remnants still in the legion are still mercurial.
Yes, it is. Read Fall of Cadia by Robert Rath
>read this shitty BL novel by some no-name author that none of the other lore writers will be bothered to remember
If it's not in a codex, or a novel by someone who has published more than three novels for BL, then it has no bearing.
I do like both the WB and the BL. I think the difference in dealing with the Chaos Gods is their difference in worship of them.
The WB does not worship the pantheon alone but have a more monothostic worship of the Great Undivided of which the Chaos Gods are emanations of. As such focus on the gods is good but the purest form of chaos worship is the meditation of this force Undivided.
The BL have a more antique worship of chaos. Unlike the Iron Warriors for whom all daemons and gods are fuel for the warmachine, the BL accept Chaos similiar to the Chaos Warriors in Fantasy, accepting their reality and worship them for their might just as polytheistic people worshipped different gods.
The Red Corsair or Night Lords have more of that opportunistic Chaos Unaligned attitude of dealing with the power of Chaos.
You got the BL and IW mixed up. Iron Warriors have always seen the gods as a pantheon to worship, whereas the Black Legion see the gods as a means to an end. The BL are the epitome of power gamers and min/maxers. They'll throw in fully behind one power, only to jump ship and give their false worship to another the moment the first fails them. That's always been the justification behind fielding all of the different cult units in their armies, a berserker one day is a noise marine the next. They're the only legion who's even figured a way to cheat possession. They're willing to go to any lengths to achieve power, loyalty and fealty is a joke to them.
We have to go back.
Soul.
We have to go back to when Chaos wasn’t in this game.
>The Black Legion are merely using Chaos for their own advantage.
>They still end up doing the bidding of the Gods
Anon you literally just described the baseline corruption/pact with the devil narrative as it existed for hundreds, if not thousand years?
Like that's the whole point? Those who deal with the devil think they're in it for themselves, that they can just use evil and then quit, and then it turns out they can't. It's like legends 101.
I'd rather have Word Bearers as a smaller faction with their own codex and a shitload of cool daemonkin models.
red got allocated to Eldar
This all just sounds like a bunch of HH gobbledyasiatic.
The bottom line is Word Bearers are more what players would expect to get from Chaos, Black Legion is like Diet Chaos. Oh look at me, I’m doing heresy but without any of the belief in divinity!
GW should put Word Bearers on the box art, flesh out their lore, and release more possessed vehicles.
All there is to it.
The bottom line is Word Barers sounds too gay compared to Black Legion. That's it. Go home.
posts like this just show that the player base as a whole just fundamentally does not understand black legion.
If only there was someone to blame for a failure to convey an idea…alas…
its not failure to convey on games workshops behalf.
GW has tried its damndest to beat people over the head with the idea that abaddon and the black legion is a serious threat. 13 black crusades, the destruction of cadia, an almost unrivaled consolidation of power amongst the disparate chaos warbands, forging a black empire to mirror the imperium, and ultimately emerging victorious in the arks of omen campaign
>GW has tried its damndest to beat people over the head with the idea that abaddon and the black legion is a serious threat. 13 black crusades, the destruction of cadia,
Oh, you’re the sperg again. Forget that I replied. This shit has already been explained to you repeatedly
Nope. That's a new person. This is like the third time you did this. Maybe the problem is you? This is getting embarrassing.
>I-it’s not me, I’m just making the exact same points as that other guy, in the same order, for the same reasons
And now you’re samegayging.
You already got your response. Here it is:
I don’t get why you seem to think restarting the argument by replying to another post gets around being wrong the first time. Probably the Asperger’s I guess.
>All anons are the same person
Sad.
>literal sperg incapable of understanding how normal people can recognize him through text
Get diagnosed
But you mistook different anons for the same person much makes look delusional on top of everything else.
Maybe you need your head checked.
>I am rubber you are glue!
You really let it get under your skin when someone tells you to seek a diagnosis for Asperger’s because you think it’s an insult when it’s genuine advice. It’s not like they’re going to lock you up for the rest of your life, they’re just going to help you to understand your condition
No. I am just like getting you to reply.
It's just projections. Everything wrong you see in yourself you are passing if off on strangers on the web. And I count three. Can we go higher?
> It is characterized by qualitative impairment in social interaction, by stereotyped and restricted patterns of behavior, activities, and interests, and by no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or general delay in language. Intense preoccupation with a narrow subject, one-sided verbosity, restricted prosody, and physical clumsiness are typical of the condition, but are not required for diagnosis.
Oh, by the way, non-Asperger’s people understand that anons only play the “tee hee I’m making you reply to me!” game when they actually don’t like the replies they’re getting and are hoping the replier will stop if they think they are somehow losing by replying
I appreciate this may be difficult for you to understand, but I am willing to help you if you need clarification
Dude, I am not reading all of that. Keep it short.
>For example, a person with Asperger syndrome may engage in a one-sided, long-winded speech about a favorite topic, while misunderstanding or not recognizing the listener's feelings or reactions, such as a wish to change the topic of talk or end the interaction.
Ah, and another classic trope TL;DR. Another attempt to exert control over the person replying to you and make them feel embarrassed for the way they reply in the hopes they will stop.
Give us another one
Nah. Reading too long of a ramble is bothersome. Rather keep it short and sweet
>The pursuit of specific and narrow areas of interest is one of the most striking among possible features of AS. Individuals with AS may collect volumes of detailed information on a relatively narrow topic such as weather data or star names without necessarily having a genuine understanding of the broader topic.
Your words are at odds with your behaviors. You say this is a game to make me reply to you, but then you say things that would discourage me from replying to you. Do you understand how other people can identify your real feelings despite what you tell them your feelings are?
For example, I know telling you that you have Asperger’s makes you reply to me, so I do that, and you reply. No contradiction.
Again, tldr.
I said to keep it simple or I won't read it.
>Although individuals with AS usually understand the cognitive basis of humor, they seem to lack understanding of the intent of humor to share the enjoyment with others
It’s fun reading this and noticing your behaviors again and again, but sooner or later I have to run out of segments to quote you, and then you’ll claim victory. I say this now so you don’t let it get to your head later
Great now tell me how you feel.
> Diagnosing adults is more challenging, as standard diagnostic criteria are designed for children and the expression of AS changes with age. Adult diagnosis requires painstaking clinical examination and thorough medical history gained from both the individual and other people who know the person, focusing on childhood behavior.
I hope that won’t be too difficult for you. Or at least that you’ll find it worth it on the other end. Apparently they can even give you medication now, maybe that will help your symptoms
Feels like you are running in circles. Saying the same thing over and over.
>power struggles
40K has Be'lakor vs Archaon as their main Chaos infighting.
AoS has Be'lakor vs Archaon as their main Chaos infighting
Archaon's host is the strongest, largest, and unbeatable.
Abaddon's legion is the largest strongest and unbeatable.
The only way they can be beaten is by Be'lakor subverting them from the inside.
Seems the same to me.
There is parallel here, intentional ones.
> probably on par with some of the more middling mortal chaos factions in aos (from a narrative perspective).
What do you mean by that?
>I cant remember when chaos itself got its roots involved in the setting discounting the obligatory vashtor wanking.
Are we talking AoS or 40K here?
>the Ever-chosen is.
Dunno his motivation for turning to Chaos is pretty weak. Sigmar didn't listen to his prayer or something. Pretty lame if you ask me.
Back to rubber and glue so soon?
I’m all out of quotes, but I hope you saw yourself reflected in those words- not literally, of course. Just felt I should clarify that, what with you having Asperger’s and all.
There’s a passage here about therapy but I’m sure you get the picture by now. Get diagnosed
Did you even read what I said? I kept it short.
Flip your chessboard mighty pigeon, strut and defecate.
Nani?
>Are we talking AoS or 40K here?
Slannesh right now is currently caged up by the high elves and is constantly kept in check to make sure Slannesh cant find a way out.
There is a hemorrhage of her influence on the realms because an aspect was freed when she was in the process of being locked up by one of her boy toys. Said boytoy is doing everything they can to spread slaaneshi influence whereever they read.
The closest thing we have in 40k to chaos being interacted with in the setting is in Dark Imperium, where Ultra smurf extraordinaire burned Nurgles garden, and now nurgle has a smoll blister.
>Dunno his motivation for turning to Chaos is pretty weak. Sigmar didn't listen to his prayer or something. Pretty lame if you ask me.
The dudes goal is too kill all of the gods. Not just ones that aren't aligned to chaos, but the Chaos gods themselves. And he actually has managed to kill multiple of those gods, he uses the blessing of the big 5 chaos gods in aos but he makes sure they know he hates them, going so far as literally spitting on their faces.
Even if you dont like his goals, what the character has accomplished, and is capable of accomplishing is monumental. And I think his presence is monumental when you consider how moldable the setting in aos is, unlike a certain stagnant body.
>he uses the blessing of the big 5 chaos gods in aos but he makes sure they know he hates them, going so far as literally spitting on their faces.
This is the stupidest shit ever and you should feel ashamed for thinking it’s good.
Cope and seethe my good sir.
It's literally Elric of Melniboné inspired. Stop being uncultured.
Belakor and Archaon are father and son, which adds some weird depth to their power struggle. And AoS Belakor is noticably successful in his plots and subversions.
Abbadon doesn't realy have a meaningful rivalry with Bel
Abaddon doesn’t have meaningful anything
I know, right? OP and some anons in this thread are incredibly moronic. GW is not at fault at all. It's best to ignore guys like this. They are turning into a minority these days.
Check what Robert Rath wrote. He is among the most popular BL authors.
You gotta admit when you are wrong.
>BL authors
This homie reading Boys Love lmao. No surprise that a homosexual loves Blacked Legion so much.
Gottem
The only thing that got blacked was your mother
And she liked it so much she split into two
Get it?
>so much of a cuck he fantasizes about black men
lmao
Was I the one who brought up "blacked"? It was you, my good sir!
>he doesn't know about abby's cucklegion's longstanding nickname
lmao, it"s a tourist to boot
But doesn't imply that you were thinking of interracial cuck porn when you adopted it which implies that it takes a prominent part in your mind?
its a shame 40k chaos is not as good as it is in fantasy and AOS
Eloborate.
there are actual power struggles, and the strongest 40k chaos war-band is probably on par with some of the more middling mortal chaos factions in aos (from a narrative perspective).
I cant remember when chaos itself got its roots involved in the setting discounting the obligatory vashtor wanking.
And dont get me started on how cool the Ever-chosen is.
>It was he
Stopped reading here when you started dropping severe autism red flags
Too many Chaos Warbands with the same color scheme (Word Bearers, World Eaters and Red Corsairs)
Which is why Word Bearers should be darker and Corsairs should be deleted
No and if you are going to bring up lore Guillerman made Lorgar and his whole legion cry like b***hes. You nigs yap yap yap about Abaddon but no one gonna respect a b***h who cries like a b***h (Lorgar)
>le blue man dunked on [insert Chaos or Xenos character or subfaction here]!!!
Woah man, I’m blown away. GW wrote that? No way.
Plus the dichotomy of Red vs Blue is pleasing to me
they should not be the box-art faction, because if I ever do a chaos army it'll be wordbearers and if they're the faction on the box I won't feel special for picking them.
You can be another Iron Warriors player instead
this
where my lorgar aurelian fan boys at ?
Yo yo yo we right here dawg, spread the good word
Blessed Lorgar was the only one who knew how to stop the chaos forces but the virgin Emparah gay as always
Counterpoints
> their name is stupid and doesn't roll of the tongue
>their paint scheme isn't distincitve enough
>their name is stupid and doesn't roll of the tongue
Personally, I’m for Tome Rapists
>their paint scheme isn't distincitve enough
Just needs a darker red and it’ll be fine.
It should be Sneedforce (Alpha Legion)
With a twist
We the good guys now
?feature=shared
>new SM vs CSM box
>some Salamanders "successor" called Star Hydras vs Alpha Legion
>actually just Alpha Legion vs Alpha Legion
>the tweest is the loyalists are chaos infiltrators and the CSMs are secret Imperium double agents
Did u rike it?
I’d be down with this if 40k WB had their unique units (Gal Vorbak, Ashen Circle, named characters etc). As it stands right now, Word Bearers are just The Bordeaux Legion.
Man that paint job sucks
And Chaos as a whole could do with some actually possessed vehicles.
On the sliding scale of heresy tech there is only 2 extremes: space marine tech with spikes - metal daemons
There isn’t really a niche for existing tech that is actually possessed, it’s either not possessed or it looks so unlike any vehicle it’s basically just a daemon made with metal plating.
When Word Bearers are box art (inshallah) it would be a really good opportunity to release Rhinos, bikes and other shit that some guy has just put a daemon in because chaos
i have no skin in this game and i think that paint job is fine except that they didnt finish painting
I get what she was going for, but the harsh transition from dark to light looks fricking terrible.
In all fairness, the GW paintjob in OP pic is also bad. I hate GW edge highlighting at the best of times, but its just actively detracting from the piece in that case. They highlighted in a really bright orange, and they did it so much that parts that don't have edges to highlight like the pauldrons and gauntlets literally look a different shade of red as a result.
I wish GW would let their painters do volumetric shading.