>PVP in a MMORPG
Just play a real multiplayer game. PVP has absolutely no place in any MMORPG. It's an antiquated experience from when we had no other games to play; now there are hundreds of games to play against people.
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Either/or fallacy. Opinion discard. Let people have fun.
It doesn't deserve the company's resources. Kill it from all MMORPGs.
It is not a big part of any MMO, it has always taken the least amount of resources for how many people actually utilize it.
It shouldn't be taking any resources at all. It should not exist. WoW is a prime example of why it doesn't work and it never will work.
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the only reason wow was a success and people look fondly on vanilla was because of pvp
Sure it was a novel idea in 2004 to 2007, but those days are long gone. There are so many games you can play now that offer a PVP experience that are free to play.
There has to be some game out there that can offer the PVP experience you're looking for. I refuse to believe otherwise.
No, it was still extremely fun participating in world pvp back in 2019 classic wow
leveling up and building a character over months is a vastly different and more rewarding experience than playing some chinky moba or fighting game
>. I refuse to believe otherwise.
why would a lobby based PvP game have a large asymmetrical map (outside of trash like battle royale)? it serves absolutely no purpose
i cannot get immersed in a game where the world state resets every 20 minutes, and where i kill the same people over and over again
>i cannot get immersed in a game where the world state resets every 20 minutes, and where i kill the same people over and over again
That's literally the definition of instanced PVP content...
even instanced content in mmorpgs still count to something. you're not merely testing your mechanical skills.
wow was a success because wc3 was a huge success and blizzard were at the top of their game.
bgs used to be really really fun, same with arenas. it's just that it gets fricking boring after 15 years.
I remember getting ganked by some high level guy in a low level zone and rallying higher level players to help kill him. It was great. I stopped playing when that stopped being a thing. It's just fun interactivity and it leaves you with memories, I don't need a hugbox game, I'll play a singleplayer rpg if I want a singleplayer experience.
eve online didn't go anywhere
That is a moronic video.
Nobody is playing Retail.
The PVP goes down with the ship, not individually.
Moreover, even if, EVEN IF, it were going down individually, it would be because the PVP experience in Vanilla, TBC and SoD is leagues better than Retail's.
>it's le bad because....BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY?!
why do you make shit threads when you hate debate? just make it your facebook or discord status next time instead of shitting up this board with your blogposts
There's not really much to debate here. The declining popularity of instanced PVP content shows that deterioration over time. All those man hours could have been better spent on PVE content that players could enjoy.
>Let people have fun.
Ironic when you're trying to ruin the ops fun.
I don't see the point in playing an MMO if you can't fight other players.
For gear? Community? Something else I can't think of? PVE content is what the game is made for.
I want a harsh fantasy world full of conflict and strife, not a hugbox where everyone goes around holding hands and having gay sex.
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nah those games have small maps and a limited amount of players. it is not the same. the only pozz i can think of is that in a mmorpg gameplay is scaled back due to latency, but even then you can still get a lot of action
>*you* dont like pvp in mmorpg
>maney people do like pvp in mmorpg
If the game you're playing has it and you dont like it, just go play a different game. As you said yourself, we have hundreds of games to play.
It's not that I don't like it, I just think it shouldn't exist.
world pvp is not necessarily what I meant. I am talking about instanced PVP content in a MMORPG game. I think that is unnecessary and should not exist when we have a plethora of other games to play.
MMORPG content should be PVE only.
I don’t even believe that you actually think this. EVE would instantly die without PVP, sea of thieves added a PVE only mode and no one plays it (not an RPG, sure), Elite Dangerous would die without PVP had it not already died for being EVE but boring, your utterly reductive totality exceeds any and all logic and must be bait. You don’t play all MMOs so why would you care at all if some MMOs “wasted” dev time?
You're right. I don't play every mmo that is currently available.
But we can't possibly know if the hours spent on instanced PVP content would have been better spent on the PVE side. Who knows what would have happened? I think that's a fun thought experiment.
You sound like the kind of Black person homosexual that is responsible for the PvP nerfs in BDO
>no more gvg
>no more open world pvp
>going red gets you an insta ban
Black person homosexual
PvP is for degenerate minmax gays with no lives or skill
People like you will always have their opinion discarded because you think like a peasant.
Anything can have anything and be good if you think it out and make it good.
If homosexuals like you had their way every game would be the same game because you're too stupid to think of anything else
character progression systems and ultra large maps are inherently uncompetitive. Says a lot about pvpgays supporting them
>character progression systems and ultra large maps are inherently uncompetitive
only in games where you pay to build your stats overtime
>Says a lot about pvpgays supporting them
i only support progression when it is horizontal, otherwise it is a waste of my time
god i need sleep
nah, i like pve and pvp
if anything mmos are already overwhelmingly pve focused and could use a bit more work on pvp
People cheat in multiplayer games online. It's rampant. Better bring friends.
"Antiquated" is not a criticism, it's a buzzword.
Make an argument for the removal of PVP or shut the frick up.
If the argument is "I'm scared" or "It makes me anxious", I advise suicide or going outside.
Wrath of the Loch King pvp experience was the best
>"[insert game]'s pvp is dead"
>game has pvp arenas
>pvpgays refuse to use them
>keep whining about endlessly about it
What the frick do you Black folk want?
they want a one sided fight. This is why mmo pvp is a waste of dev resources
open world pvp, do you even have to ask?
Plenty of games do that. Why don't you play those]
Oh wait, they're fricking dead because they are open world pvp.
that place is me in the bushes waiting to be a degenerate, cry about it homosexual
>mmo
opinion discarded
>be playing a game where the multiplayer is in the genre title
>JUST PLAY A REAL MULTIPLAYER GAME
moron, go back to your cookie clicker mmo's that have been dumbed down over time exclusively to milk moron subscription money. morons happen to be afraid of anything resembling competition or challenge, or really anything that requires thinking, who wouldve thought?
the irony
>Helldivers 2 comes out
>watching stream, seeing if it's any good
>14 year olds are in chat
>asking "does it have PvP?" "What about PvP?"
These are the same little shits that quit after one match in a fighting game or spam weapon arts in Elden Ring.
World PVP and dueling is fine. Having rewards from PVP is cringe. Balancing around PVP is cringe.
We had 100man fights at any relic raid in '02. That is with DIAL UP. The game was centered around it from the beginning to the end.
>interest died out
No, EA came along and defaced the game.