Quick question, should I download KOTOR 1 or KOTOR 2?
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Quick question, should I download KOTOR 1 or KOTOR 2?
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why not both?
They're both good.
Get the restored content pack mod for 2.
Important question.
Are you downloading the game legally?
Regardless of the answer KOTOR 2 is a mess that literally NEEDS mods to actually finish the game due to a progression bug the game was shipped with.
>Are you downloading the game legally?
No.
If 2 is an upgrade, is 1 going to make me lose interest in it all?
>if 2 is an upgrade, is 1 going to make me lose interest in it all?
They are both good games.
Playing 1 first is just recommend as you'll fully appreciate story stuff more and 1 does have a few less options and features.
the only mod 1 needs to make it as great as 2 is
https://www.nexusmods.com/kotor/mods/1283
I honestly cannot tell the difference except whitey's clothes
those are all modded, the original robes look like this
2 is largely unfinished in comparison to the original.
You would get a better experience playing KOTOR.
If you want to play 2, it's recommended that you install the restored content mod.
Play K1 first, K2 is not only a direct sequel but the additional mechanics make K2 superior. I almost never play K1 anymore just on that reason alone. K2 also has a way better party, most of which you can train to be Jedi and builds in K2 for player and party are way more diverse. Skills in K1 by and large feel like a side thought where in K2 they're essential for a variety of reasons. Make sure you use TSLRCM + community patch for K2, bare minimum.
You are basically saying I should play K2
>don't mind spending time and effort to install shit to get them to run.
It's on the App Store for 10$ and I have found it on my usual torrent site, where's the catch? Doesn't seem too complicated tbh
I'm telling you play K1 first because it's still a great game, it's just hard to go back to.
I still prefer K1 over K2 despite the extra builds and whatnot. I liked the story more, and it's also balanced better IMO. It's way too easy to become an unstoppable god in 2 without even knowing what you're doing.
>If 2 is an upgrade, is 1 going to make me lose interest in it all?
2 is a continuation of 1, play them in order. They have very different tones and almost an entirely new cast but 2 is calling back to 1, or an idealized version of 1 at least.
>>Are you downloading the game legally?
>No.
Well for KOTOR 2, make sure you get either the 2015 Steam version or the 2022 GOG version (update 1.0b). Only those versions have the 2015 Aspyr update that added widescreen, controller support and fixed bugs/made the game work better on modern OSes. Prior versions (pre-2015 Steam/pre-2022 GOG) won't have this update.
Also cap the game at 90fps to avoid the bug where your characters are stuck in place when combat ends.
Another bug to lookout for is dialog skipping. Memory leaks acour after playing for a couple hours. Just save your game and reboot to fix.
>If 2 is an upgrade, is 1 going to make me lose interest in it all?
2 is a direct story sequel, and assumes that you know 1's story. 2 is playable and enjoyable without playing 1, but you're going to wonder about why 2 keeps referring to people you'll never meet. 2 expands on the story and characters of 1 in significant ways, enriching them to the point that you forget that it came from the game that you don't even play as them or see them.
This is not true.
KOTOR 1 is the more traditional Star Wars experience so you should start there. KOTOR 2 is like a darker, edgier take on the first similar to Ocarina - Majora's Mask. Both are good though but it's definitely best to play them in order.
he's right. I remember my first save getting soft locked. it has to do with the order you visit planets iirc. you end up not being able to access another planet/progress. You probably happen to have a habit of visiting planets in a certain order which doesn't end up in a soft lock.
>NEEDS mods
you homosexuals really need one extra cutscene and a fan-made planet? you don't actually know what the restored content mod does...
yea get both. get tslrcm for 2
the fan planet isn't part of tslrcm, it's a separate mod. tslrcm restores the merc fight ending for dantooine, the hk factory, some cut dialog and locations, and fixes a lot of bugs, especially closer to the end of game (also a fairly well-known one in telos academy)
the droid planet isn't part of tslrcm dumb c**t
>NEEDS mods
It's more than just a mod, it's the completion of the game that Obsidian was blocked from making originally. They got the development time reduced to rush it to market, which left the game worse than it should have been.
The TSLRCM is like the post-launch patch that Obsidian was also blocked from making.
Obsidian themselves, have said a bunch of times during live streams for Pillars 1, that they love and fully endorse the TSLRCM.
I still have my copy and its case. I play it through every couple of years. What are you talking about?
I played the game without mods. Is not needed.
you don't need them to finish it homosexual the game came out on fricking xbox
why
wrong
halfsies
wow you ruined the game and now you're gonna make me ruin it more. Kreia wanted you to go see that the old masters were useless you fricking moron.
i like 2 more, but play 1 first if you haven't. the only issue is that 1 requires wome modding to work properly, widescreen, modern resolutions and shit like that.
I feel like you would not truely appreciate 2 without playing 1 first.
1 is hard to get running
oh yeah forgot that shit didn’t work on Steam
Is it really? I'm on win 10 and had no issues running it last month.
is this bait? Obviously play them in release order. What kind of question is that
I don't have a ton of time of videogames but I like to complete them thoroughly; both of these seem big and immersive games, so if the second is a general improvement over the first one and plot is not heavily connected I would rather just catch up with the story and play the better game.
Kek'd
KotoR 1 is rad, don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. The only bad part is if you want money you have to play/savescum Pazak which is basically blackjack.
I recommend making a lightside sentinel tank or a darkside consular mage.
I never play pazaak, I just sell most of my shit to that rodian on yavin
>lightside sentinel tank
How important are Wisdom and Charisma skills?
Sorry for late reply, my build had 14 wisdom and 14 charisma. With gear on I had these stats before the final area. You can also focus dexterity instead of strength if you want to be even tankier but obviously you'll do less damage.
Gear was
Cardio Power System
Circlet of Saresh (Bothan Sensory Visor until you get it)
GenoHaradan Power Gloves
Brejik's Arm Band
Qel-Droma Robes
Verpine Prototype shield
CNS Strength Enhancer
These are both really small games in comparison to other crpgs. At most each game will take you around 25 hours to complete and that’s if you take a real long time.
>Should I start from the beginning or from the middle?
OP is a homosexual once again
>pirating elder relics and expecting to get them to work properly on modern shitstems
Good luck, anon.
Get both. If you have to pick one, know that KOTOR 1 is a classic Star Wars experience while KOTOR 2 subverts that exact experience (and it does it fairly well).
In my opinion, KOTOR 2 would be far superior if it wasn't as buggy and unfinished as it is. Even with the restored content mod, the final planet just sort of happens and you're left thinking "That's it?"
Even then, these games are fricking tedious to work on modern machines and they have aged somewhat. Imo it's only worth playing them if you get them for free and don't mind spending time and effort to install shit to get them to run.
The main reason people like these games is for the story/writing and atmosphere. K2 is a direct sequel to K1 so if you jump straight into K2 it’s like watching Empire Strikes Back before A New Hope. Don’t do this just because some jaded autists here retroactively shit on K1 when they themselves have probably played it multiple times an wouldn’t have given K2 the light of day if they didn’t in fact enjoy their time with the first game.
KOTOR 2 provides enough context to enjoy it independently of 1.
Would you have played it if you didn’t play the first one?
Yes. In fact, I did as a young boy and I understood the story fine. The knowledge that it was a sequel saved me from any confusion when events from the previous game were referenced.
>confusion
I thought you said there was enough context given to understand what was happening. So by your own admission you gimped your experience (even if just slightly) by playing it first.
>saved me from any confusion
moron
>The knowledge that it was a sequel
Unless I’m mistaken, this statement is an admission that you didn’t know exactly what was going on all the time because you hadn’t played the original. You can say it “saved you” from confusion all you want but you still didn’t know what was going on. Doublespeaking moron.
Reading the wiki article for K1 is honestly enough to understand everything, or wookiepedia if you hate yourself and don't respect your time
Same could be said for Empire Strikes Back and A New Hope.
1 is free on Amazon prime gaming right now just go claim it
yeah bu then you have to use Amazon's shitty game app
the writing in kotor 2 is worlds superior to the writing in kotor 1. Kotor 1 is god-awful tropey comic book style writing. It's unbelievably bad. Meanwhile, Kotor 2 has one of the best stories of any game ever made.
Can I run these games on a Ryzen 3250u on a laptop?
yeah
I'm playing KOTOR2 rn and its so fricking shit oh my god
>limited chances to get influence. and without ebough influence you simply can't get jedify companions
>few force users
>random drops
>peragus
>shit main quest. go find the Jedi masters because they surely know how to defeat... the main defeated that defeated all of them..
>and when you DO meet them, they barely fricking help you
I'm done with 2 masters and I'm tired. There's not much content and the little there is just feels hard to consume.
KOTOR 1 is better.
I like the idea of kotor 2 a lot more than I like the actual game. when I first played it I was in actual disbelief at what a mess it was, and it took a while to realize that so much of the plot was barely coherent to me not because I was failing to follow it, but because it was actually a mess
I had the same experience. The game had me hooked with the foreshadowing and Kreia being obtuse about
>you don't fully grasp it yet
but then, in true Avalone fashion the "reveals" are already said out loud to you long before they happen, which a lot of people seem to consider deep but I just find it to be a big wet force fart in my face.
Kotor 2 also has a lot of "oh no not this part" moments that just keep me from replaying it.
That's because you just didn't get it. It's a puzzle that you need to solve. Although, don't worry, barely anyone bothered trying to solve it, so it's fine if you didn't.
Great b8 m8
unironically
It's bait but it's also true.
>kreia hates the force
>kreia thinks jedi and sith are morons for relying on the force as this weakens them (according to her)
>the exile survived without the force and is a wound in the force because of this
>nihlus is also a wound in the force because he OD'd on force
>kreia is fascinated by the exile because he/she survived without the force for so long
>her master plan is to make the exile and co. kill the remaining jedi and sith, and then exterminate the force so that people stop relying on it
>the exile defeating kreia (now Traya, bravo Avalone) kills the force (allegedly)
>along the way you meet people who already know who you are and they give you shit/praise for fighting the crazy mandalorians
>>the exile survived without the force and is a wound in the force because of this
is also a wound in the force because he OD'd on force
Both of them are wounds in the Force because they survived at Malachor. The Exile cut himself off from the Force to survive while Nihilus didn't or couldn't. Both unconciously leech the life from those around them.
>anything about Kreia trying to Kill The Force
Her goal is to kill the Jedi and Sith to try and reset their stagnant dogma, and forces a confrontation with the Exile by threatening to kill him through the Force Bond they share. She never seriously attempts to harm the Force and is suiciding by cop in the final battle.
>details
but ok fair enough, it has been a while since I played.
my issue lies more with the messy and
>wow so deep
approach to the story, it only appears deeper than it is because characters slowly mumble their way through the game and keeps dropping hints to what you already know. The story itself is very straight-forward.
I hope you're not talking shit about my guy Dexter Jettster
Is Dexter Jettster a Sith, you silly b***h?
>he doesn't know
>now Traya, bravo Avalone
anon don't pretend it's any worse than any of George's Sith names
>Insidious (because he played the long con)
>Illusion (because he's a corpse pretending to be alive)
>Nihilism (because his life is devoid of meaning)
>Revanchist (because he originally tried to reclaim lost territory)
>Malak (no reason he's just edgy)
>Malak
>literally just his name with an M stuck on
>gave himself tattoos as part of a pirate disguise and then just never removed them
>shad's sister
imagine what she's seen
Why did he do it?
He couldn't get that sweet blue space elf pussy
literally filtered, try skyrim instead
Why Skyrim? Don't you meant Starfield or did you just say the first thing that popped up in your head?
No, im giving you genuine advice
skyrim is bland trash but at least it makes sense. nobody who tries to stitch the wreckage of kotor 2 together ever winds up sounding sane, they just make shit up in their head until it seems smart (it's not)
>if you like a game's story your just making shit up
i accept your concession my moronic friend, stay filtered
I like kotor 2's ideas for a story, but arguing that they are presented well is plain stupid. it reeks of having an unhealthy attachment to the game, which is always how it feels when someone shills kotor 2 too hard. what did it do that was so incredible? it's ok, that's it
>what did it do that was so incredible?
NTA but:
-the atmosphere in K2 is unlike any other game/movie I’ve ever experienced. It’s melancholic, isolating, oppressive, and everything seems ever so slightly off or wrong.
-You may claim the story isn’t presented well but it is. The dialogue is better than most movies and the ideas and themes expressed are miles beyond anything presented in any other Star Wars title, video game or otherwise.
There are other things it does well but these two things alone are enough to make it one of my all time favorites.
Also wtf with the Queen/Vlatku choice? So because I side with a city's independence over the republic that means I'm evil chud and must kill the Jedi? Frick this dead dove star wars fic
You kind of missed part of the point, consider that this game also tied into RotS which was coming out soon (or was just released, I forgot) part of the narrative of the prequel trilogy is that the Jedi are highly politicized and an arm of the Republic and not the spiritual monks they are supposed to be. It's not so much YOU have to kill the jedi or be evil to support Vaklu and his revolution, it's that a Jedi has already embedded himself into the pro-Republic position and you are in opposition. Kavaar iirc has some of the most sympathetic lines to you and vice versa of any of the Masters and you also don't HAVE to do the truly evil things you can do in the Vaklu route like killing Talia to satiate your bloodlust or demanding the force sensitives of the planet (lul imagine if you actually could collect on that), but much of what you have to do while not murderhobo evil is still evil like assassinating those officers before the assault on the castle takes off. So yes, you do some evil things even if you're not a bloodthirsty Sith and you get DS points for it. You can support a theoretically righteous or politically ambiguous cause and still be a degree of evil doing it. Just like Kreia is not a gray Jedi, she's pretty evil just not a mickymouse DS villain like Malak.
Yes. You either side with the Force/Republic or you're against it. It's that simple. Either you agree that Onderon becomes absorb collectively into the Republic and loses its individuality, or it becomes independent, which makes it evil. That's Star Wars rules. Did you think the CIS were morally correct to try to secede from the Republic and their high tax system? No, they were evil and defeated. The same is true if you side with the general over the queen.
>No, they were evil and defeated
I thought the point of the sequels was that evil played both sides in the war. Palpatine literally fought a war against himself in order to weed out the people who could oppose him from both sides of the war. In fact, the rebel alliance got a large part of its footing from the ashes of the CIS.
>evil played both sides in the war
No? What evil is on both sides?
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This is a bad video that only mentions what is on screen and says nothing about the politics of Star Wars. Not to mention that it brings up the Clone Wars TV show, which is shit. So, again, what evil on both sides?
>says nothing about the politics of Star Wars
Neither did the prequels. Phantom Menace starts with a dispute over taxation and never bothers to specify what the issue is, who is suffering or what the stakes are.
Palpatine
>sequels
Prequels, and yes that's the point, that Palpatine played in both armies to kill the jedi
*prequels
Sorry, my bad. Must have hallucinated or something. Star Wars has no sequels.
You have been misinformed by fan revisionism. Fans try to defend Lucas' shit piles by pretending they're rich chocolate.
I’m not hearing anything to counter the arguments presented.
it's absurdly easy to make most companions Jedi, the only kind of tricky one is Bao-Dur since basically all of his influence checks are out on the planets rather than in his dialogue tree
Neither. All bioware games are shit.
Kotor 2 wasn’t made by Bioware.
Both, moron.
OP you're actually a fricking moronic troglodyte for asking a question like this. kys
Play both. Even if people prefer the second one, the first one is good at setting the expectations and setting for the second one.
Why not both? They're both cost the same as buying a can of soda and 2 is a sequel to 1
1 is real good but a more plain star wars story which isnt bad. 2 is a bit more abstract but arguably is better due to some mechanics.
Play both, I prefer 1 but it's very close. Idk why you wouldn't just play both though.
Ganker tribalistic mindset. Some anons are literally incapable of enjoying more than 1 thing at a time and OP is one of those people who wants to be told which one he's supposed to play and which one he's supposed to mindlessly hate.
There’s also a fair degree of (you) farming bait involved. I’d imagine most people browsing/lurking here like both of them and even some of the outspoken trolls aren’t being genuine.
Some anons actually have works, friends, partners, lives to live
If you’re gonna b***h about time invested then just watch the cutscenes on youtube. Better yet, just read a plot summary.
both
On a scale of 1 to TLJ how fricked up will the remake be?
Is already cancelled
It somehow returned.
>It somehow returned.
The only memorable thing of Disney wars and its a meme about how bad they are
real shit kotor 2 is better and does not really require kotor 1 to play. The only re-occuring character is hk-47 and he fits in anywhere anwyay. Download some mods, they're on the workshop if your on steam i'll reply to this like a schizo with mine in a sec i forget what they're called.
oh the r2 replacement droid is re-occuring too I really think that's it but it's been 15 years with just one re-play (1 more than kotor 1 got) or something crazy
pic related just install these really
>The only re-occuring character is hk-47
Horseshit. Even just limiting it to companions there’s also T3 and Canderous, plus Carth and Bastilla can make cameos depending on dialogue choices. And going beyond that Master Vrook is a pretty significant side character in both games and the destroyed enclave on Dantooine hits a lot harder if you’ve played the first.
you shouldn't be modding with the workshop if you're installing more than one mod, it can frick with compatibility
>golly gee fellas why did we take Kreia's advice and go collect those useless Jedi Masters?
>I suffered... indignities...
What did she mean by this?
Sion brually and mercilessly called her a midwit
Unspeakably degrading.
both but be advised KOTOR is a huge pain to get working right on modern PCs
When I was a kid playing it on a laptop there was a mod that did really cool prequel movie robes but I've only been able to find K1 robes as a mod these days, which isn't it. Anyone know what old mods could be the right one?
https://deadlystream.com/files/file/1944-k1-movie-style-jedi-master-robes/
https://deadlystream.com/files/file/64-movie-style-jedi-master-robes/
Cheers for trying but there was no coat, it was just the under robes like Anakin, Obi Wan etc for KOTOR 1. Might have to try searching again myself instead of being a lazy c**t.
how bout dis
https://deadlystream.com/files/file/412-kotor-prequel-robe-replacement/
https://deadlystream.com/files/file/477-movie-robe-reskin/
Might just be these, though in my head there was more than 3. I suppose 15 years passing does that though.
once you get past Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Windu there really aren't a ton of other robe designs that aren't floor-length or Aayla Secura's bawdwear
Wait for this to come out
https://github.com/seedhartha/reone
I've never played a bioware game. Is this one actually good?
This is during the best era of Bioware, before they became a shell of themselves(EA buyout).
KOTOR1, Jade Empire, Mass Effect 1, Dragon Age Origins. There's a lot of people who love Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, but they've never been as good of games as what Bioware produced during the KOTOR - DAO era.
kotor 1 is solid if you like rtwp rpgs with a lot of dialog but difficult to run on modern pcs. some people even recommend the xbox ver but i wouldn't go that far.
kotor 2 is actually my favorite game. it got a modernization update a few years back so as long as you get the steam version it should run fine. you should probably install tslrcm for it though, it adds a few things and fixes some bugs.
Get both and play them in order. You can buy KOTOR 1 on any platform, but modding it is mandatory to fix the resolution. KOTOR 2 (on Steam) is patched to work on modern hardware out-of-the-box. Ignore the shitters who will tell you to get The Restored Content shit because it clutters the game with a lot of filler that completely destroys the pacing. It enhances the ending, but that's a very small plus.
>clutters the game with a lot of filler that completely destroys the pacing
RPGs don't have "pacing" unless it's linear(which KOTOR/2 aren't), and what you call "filler" is the bread and butter of the genre. Sorry about your ADHD.
there ARE some annoyingly long and tedious parts of the RCM, to be fair HK factory
>spoiler
That's an additional mini-planet, and I actually enjoyed it. There's a branching quest, resolves a storyline from earlier(better than TOR managed to do with the same concept), and actually encourages you to play as a Droid for a change, since neither of the games let you buff/heal Droids with Force Powers, pushing you away from ever using the Droids. It's only about an hour, and feels like it should have always been there.
both good but KOTOR 2 gameplay is genuinely better. KOTOR 1 gameplay is genuinely braindead and i say that as someone who still fondly appreciates it for what it was
>Quick question
both are great, but I just like 2 more since Visas is there
>720x1080
How many times must we dance to this tune anon