Races.

Should there be a superior race or should everyone have the same possibilities?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It did get destroyed, back in 2016.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        rent free

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >i know because i've been here since 2014

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, it was earlier than that, back when Nazimod was given the reigns by moot.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hey, there’s my drow thread. Nice.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    There already is a superior race, most RPGs simply fail to adequately capture this innate superiority.

    Anyways this is a low-effort thread and you should feel bad OP.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Being beaten by other races doesn't make you superior, you idiot elf.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, does that really change the fact that Elves are superior? It's like saying that ten thousand guys can mob a giant to death. Does that make the ten thousand guys superior to the giant?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, moron.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Being beaten by other races doesn't make you superior, you idiot elf.

            Humans are just the bigger mary sue race on account of being a race-wide self-insert of ours.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's funnier if you consider that the inventor of fantasy Elves was a Catholic and losing to the Devil's physical tools is the fastest way to Heaven.
          Don't forget they await the end of the world. Everybody who *wasn't* mogged gets thrown into Hell.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      who wore it best

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        If I knew what would become of Cantha, I would've let Shiro win

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Qrd?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cantha in Guild Wars: Factions (2006)
            >Asian inspired setting, primarily Chinese themed with some SEA and Japanese elements
            >Names are primarily Chinese and Japanese
            >Central area is a sprawling city that's just stacks of shacks built upon shacks that dominates the entire coastline (pic related)
            >The bottom layers of the city only see light when an earthquake or fire temporarily opens a rift in the slumstack
            >Many questlines revolve around impenetrable confucian bureaucracy trying to deal with the rampant poverty, warring street gangs, and monsters thriving in the vast sewer system
            >There's two major regions outside of the city ruled by two opposing factions (players can join on with one or the other): the gothic Kurzicks who live in a vast petrified forest and the pirate Luxons who live on an inland sea that was frozen into solid jade
            >Dominant race is humans who have a history of conflict with the Tengu (eagle-men) who've been largely driven out

            cont...

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Cantha in Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons (2022)
              >Fast forward a couple centuries
              >The city is now a dazzling magitech metropolis that's more advanced than anywhere else in the setting despite centuries of isolation
              >Everything is powered by Jadetech™ which runs off glowing magically infused jade (meanwhile other human societies have only developed firearms and some steampunk machinery)
              >For some reason everything now has Korean names and Korean fashion, the Chinese/Japanese/SEA influences are now secondary
              >Kurzicks and Luxons are now irrelevant ethnic minorities
              >Developers couldn't pick a lane on whether the city is an egalitarian paradise or socially stratified with undercurrents of xenophobia, even in their own commentaries
              >Humans and Tengu (for some reason now a much more numerous and varied race of many different kinds of bird-men) are now semi-integrated

              Basically, a lot of the setting's core aesthetic got discarded in order to chase some magitech Korea idyll.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I hate everything you just said

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Frick

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                And worst of all: No Ritualist class for players.

                Seriously whoever thought of Bellydancing spirit summoners was COOKING for GW1. I've never seen anything like it, and i have never seen it's like since.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Seriously whoever thought of Bellydancing spirit summoners was COOKING for GW1
                Nobody tell this guy about FFX-2

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                The Tengu thing makes sense though, it clearly looked like they were trying to build to it since GW1. The bigger thing is they never became playable.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Renewed tensions with the Tengu was an entire plot point in Winds of Change. The lore between games was that the next Canthan emperor ended up ramping up the hostility towards the Tengu. Basically all of them ditched Cantha and established the Dominion of Winds in Kryta. The hostility they'd experienced was why the Dominion was ultra-isolationist, literally a whole chunk of the map totally walled off. They'd even shoot at you if you got too close to the walls when Lion's Arch was being attacked.
                But then End of Dragons rolls around and it turns out loads of Tengu stayed behind and have made amends with the humans and everyone's happy. And also there's suddenly a bunch of weird varieties of them like crane Tengu or the abomination in pic related.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dammit, I miss Guild Wars (the best one).

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Friendly reminder that redditors abhor the elf and must commit subversion whenever they hear the word.

      Being beaten by other races doesn't make you superior, you idiot elf.

      In one of my better sessions the elves were crusaders.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Friendly reminder that redditors abhor the elf
        Elf hate has been a thing long before you found this board in 2018, newbie.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Reddit: the character

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Redditors didn't know who this character was until they started posting our memes over there. You are so obviously new it's hilarious.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Elf hate was much more subdued, newbielet.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, no it wasn't.
            Being stupid enough to take elf hate seriously? That's new.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Elf hate was much more subdued, newbielet.
            Why do you delusional zoomtroons pretend like you know about shit that you clearly never witnessed yourself?

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I posted the wrong screenshot. Most fa/tg/uys would immediately recognize Grundhel, regardless.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I posted the wrong screenshot. Most fa/tg/uys would immediately recognize Grundhel, regardless.

              Are you so new to not know the rule "If it's become popular with Reddit we drop it"?
              Associating elf hate with a mentally ill outcast is my best way to keep 'that guy' out.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you so new to not know the rule "If it's become popular with Reddit we drop it"?
                Not a real thing, my eternal summerfriend. This board still obsesses over 40k, MtG, etc. which are popular on Reddit and have been for ages.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Gaylves trying their hardest to fit in will never cease to amuse me

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ahh, I thought I smelled newbie tourist. /tg/ does what /tg/ likes; irrespective of the haters and constant contrarians.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >tourist
                I knew it. A redditor.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I posted the wrong screenshot. Most fa/tg/uys would immediately recognize Grundhel, regardless.

              I may be a new convert from Judaism to Christianity and don't know a lot but the two images are the epitome of pride-as-lack-of-grace in the recent explanation of the Seven deadly sins I've read a short while ago.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Dwarfs tend to be prideful, wrathful, stubborn, and gluttonous.
                Their flaws are why they attract people.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >dwarves
                >attract people
                pick one

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That picture is about the only one that looked somewhat decent in elves and it still lacked compared to 2e concepts.
      The remake was still shitty even in graphic design.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >not posting any of the barefoot waifus from that game
        shiggy diggy

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >superior
    At what?

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The question should be with everyone walking around looking so sexy why there are distinct races left at all.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Should there be a superior race
    Frick you and your mary sue "superior" race.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >mary sue discourse has literally always just been culture wars idpol homosexuals invading nerd spaces
      Who would have thought.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The invaders in nerd spaces aren't the culture war faction this site likes to claim, though.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >the English
    Technologically, yes. But for your reasoning the bongs are a race apart than europeans.

    Neanderthals? Pft. Even if you think them as a "separate race" you could say they were more adapted but you dont see one around today.

    There goes "historically accurate" out the window.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    there should be superior races but even the lesser races have extraordinary members, which PCs should be one of, and their being underestimated can often be to their situational advantage

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Should there be a superior race
    In the strictest sense of the word, no.
    >should everyone have the same possibilities?
    Absolutely no.

    You paint a completely false dichotomy.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk man. It depends on the fantasy the games trying to capture, the tone of the setting, the themes in the story, and the preferences of the author when making those things. Almost any and all of the possibilities can be done well and there is no "right way" to do it because this question is completely subjective and dependent on a bunch of factors.
    Shit question, and absolutely no input from you OP. I hope you find God before you die, cause at this rate he's going to send you to hell for the sin of Sloth for making this shit thread.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    why are there no half-gnomes, half-dwarf and half...halflings?
    humans would absolutely rape them just like they rape orcs and elfs

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Half dwarves are mentioned in one 2nd edition expansion, called Dwarves Deep, and are not any mechanically different from normal dwarves.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >elves taller than human
        nah

        then how do Athasian Mul's exist?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Simple, they can't

      Half dwarves are mentioned in one 2nd edition expansion, called Dwarves Deep, and are not any mechanically different from normal dwarves.

      and half dwarves got retcon'd out of existence come 3.5

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Half-dwarves were canon in 2e, but were just lanky dwarves. I'd imagine gnomes and halflings lack the proper size of equipment to impregnate human females, and getting impregnated by a human male results in a stillbirth or death of the mother. There isn't really a size difference between humans and dwarves, just a height difference, and humans aren't that much bigger than elves.
      Think of it like dogs. Great Dane-Chihuahua mixbreeds are nearly or completely non-existent.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know if half-gnomes are possible but I'd be willing to try.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >half...halflings?
      Those would obviously be quarterlings.

      >why... no... half-dwarf
      In Dark Sun, a Mul is an incredibly tough crossbreed of a female human and male dwarf. They retain the stature, agility, and mental flexibility of humankind, coupled with the physical resilience and endurance of their dwarven heritage — a rare combination of qualities that makes muls more than a simple blend of the two races. Because they are strong, tough, quick, and blessed with fantastic endurance, muls are high prized as slaves. In fact, most muls are born into slavery, products of the slave pits — owners recognize the muls' assets as gladiators and laborers, and so order the births of as many muls as can be managed within the ranks of their slaves. Muls are born sterile — they cannot perpetuate their kind.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      They are gaped to death from even the smallest of the bhc. Healing magic doesnt work because its like a save or die after the brutal lay. Res magic removes the cum from their shattered womb.
      Someone tried pouring cum into their holes but their cervix is to tight that sperm cant get in unless the tighy ring of midget meat is crushed open via copulation.
      The technology to invent ways to inject cum safely does not exist yet, but by then human on midget sex is so associated with death that very few try it, and those that do always kill the midget by other means.
      Yeah... its super hot. It sounds like dropping a golf ball into a bowl of soup while ripping a fistful of pages off a phobebook while the midget shrieks.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes, but only if they are chakats to troll the IRL race supremacists

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Chakats are cool but my stakahc race is superior.
      A stakahc is like an 8 foot tall catgirl but with penises instead of nipples and a second pussy at the tip of the tail. They have 3000 iq, live 300 years, can shoot lasers from their eyes and their farts can cure any illness, heal wounds and regenerate missing limbs and organs. They are also as strong as 10 space marines, can sense everything within a 100 mile radius and can cut diamond with their claws. They are gentle and friendly and say hi by fricking your mouth with one of their nipple dicks while the tail pussy wraps around your wiener and drains your balls. They then put you in their sex harem, which will often include thousands of animals, plants, fungi, airplanes, washing machines and whatever else you can think of. Their pronouns are xe / xir though “your highness” and “our deity” are used more often in practice
      Overall stakahc are much cooler and better than chakats

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    In a home-brew i am fricking around with I have already created a race that is 100% superior to all other races for melee combat and significantly better at combat in general and one that is the same but for assassinations.
    I cheat of-course, since my home-brew implements race-as-class.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If there is a superior race, you shouldn't get stat benefits if you pick it. Rather, you should only be able to pick it if you rolled certain stats.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is the best way to do races. Prove me wrong.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      where is the catgirls?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        in the middle
        >short like dwarf
        >martial culture like human
        >skinny and pointy eared like elf

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're elves

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          nice slop bro

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you

            Did you really think this shit looked good enough to be posted?

            Yeah

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Did you really think this shit looked good enough to be posted?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          what tags did you use for this? i love the textbook design

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Highly detailed watercolor concept art, sketches, book page, scientific drawings, larger central colored image of [creature description], text at top of page reading "Creature Name", bookmark, Monster Manual

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I would switch the positions of halflings and dwarves.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >gnomes
      Anything that includes gnomes is wrong by default.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Look who's got gnomed

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It has gnomes. You're wrong.

        Based
        F U C K G N O M E S

        I have nothing to contribute, just wanted to say I would frick the hell out of that gnome. Thank you.

        kys

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not bad.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I would switch the positions of halflings and dwarves.

      yeah,
      >elf + dwarf = beard
      >human + dwarf = no beard
      >human + dwarf = smaller than elf + dwarf

      its surprisingly good though

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >white man at the center

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It has gnomes. You're wrong.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      why does dwarves with humans make something even smaller than either?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      halflings are the weak link in this venn diagram

      halflings should probably come from half elves and gnomes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope that’s trash

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Orcs instead of half-elves. The concept of half-humans is fricking stupid and undermines the entire point of races.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think superiority depends on the circumstances
    like Drow are the superior race in the underdark, but above ground they're useless

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look at the Hobbit and the Elf. Do they look like they could possibly have the same possibilities?

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every race should have its own limitations and proficiencies, otherwise there's literally no point to having them considering how often actual cultural differences are dropped (and even if they are included, just make them humans with a different culture, then). They should vary in their individual manifestation, but ultimately should be a guiding principles. You know, shit like:
    >orcs have 1d8+4 strength
    >dwarves have 1d4+4 strength
    In that example straight from my ass, both have a minimum of 5 strength, but the orc could be up to 12, and the dwarf only up to 8, so if you're assuming on average strengths of their race, the orcs will be stronger than the dwarf, even if it also means that the weakest orcs at 5 will be weaker than the strongest dwarf at 8 and equal to the weakest dwarf at 5.
    Outside of stats, there should be races who are better at naturally better at swimming than others, better at climbing, better at flying, better at digging, better at tracking, better at seeing in the dark, etc. And you can do it by a spectrum again if you like:
    >mermaids 1 on 1d20 average swimming, >1 good swimming, >5 excellent swimming, >10 best swimming
    >humans ≤5 can't swim, >5 poor swimming, >10 average swimming, >15 good swimming
    So a moronic mermaid with only a 1 is like a normal human with their ability to swim (think the mermaids in Splash, they never swam well), but most of them are going to swim better than that, with the vast majority being better than a human, but the best humans are still as good as below average mermaids, but can never be as good as the above average ones.

    No snowflake, politically correct, lefty bullshit will change my mind.

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    half-orcs from emetic abominations stemming from rape, have become human bodybuilders with pointy ears and some facial feral primitive features....

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    the human should be male with the physique fo the half-orc and the half-orc is not to be a PC race. The human female will be on her knees by the human female.

    frick gnomes, no pc race for this joke as well.

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Different races have variance to physiology and thus have different attribute allocations
    if there were a race that just had a +2 bonus to every attribute and a +5 to every skill it would be boring and only minmax wienersuckers would play them

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Inspired by actual myhtologies it should be like this
    >elf and dwarves (the gods, predate humans and created them at first for servitude purposes then decided to elevate them gifting them civilization and knowledge and guiding them like a shepherd would with his sheeps or pets)
    >half elf: the gibborim, the heroes of old, the mixed blood that are both a boon and a pain in the ass for the gods or the humans, founders of important bloodlines)
    >humans (made in image and semblance to the gods)
    >anything else

  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Superior at what?
    Are you asking if they should all be worth the same number of points, there are some advantages to that in terms of modularity, but it's not necessary.

    If one player wants to play as a dragon or an angel that's simply better than a human, give them fewer discretionary points for skills and whatnot. If that's still not enough to even them out, then the difference I'd big enough you may want to reserve them for high powered campaigns. If it's close though, you could give them an xp debt to pay off and a slowed gain of xp while they do.

  23. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The idea of a superior race is moronic in any setting, unless it's some made-in-a-lab shit reserved for a boss monster or the main character. Racial traits are a sign of adaptation, and nothing is ever going to be naturally suited to be the best at everything (unless you're a teenager writing anime fanfiction).

  24. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Being part of a game, every option, be it class, ability, skill, gear, whatever, EVERY OPTION, should be viable and distinct in some way.
    There shouldn't be a "best", but rather, each one should be the best choice for a given niche.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There shouldn't be a "best", but rather, each one should be the best choice for a given niche
      Oh look, another gnome wizard
      And a half orc barbarian

  25. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on the system. If the game is more about role playing and internal party balance isn't a big deal, then fine, I don't care. If the game is more about the game, then there should not be any superior race.

    Inb4 'balance is a spook'. Shut the frick up, moron. Ignorance, laziness and an inability to do math is not something you should take pride in.

  26. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hybrid gigantism is the reason why Nephilim were so huge and their existence was the reason why God flooded the Earth.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous
  27. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ideally, PCs options should be balanced.
    This doesn't mean fantasy races have to be equivalent though, you may have a game where you can chose to play a human hero or a random elf as a starting choice for example.
    While the cooperative nature of RPGs make balancing issues less pressing than in competitive games, there is no point in having trap options and nobody want to feel like a fifth wheel.

  28. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have never understood the appeal of midget races.
    Dwarves might have their rune/smithy aesthetic, but that could easily be applied to a taller race.

  29. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    All will bow down to Nascar.

  30. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do you choose and design races for your settings, especially if you want to make them more unique? Because I’m trying to do that for my setting and I’m stumped. I know that I want Elves, maybe of a couple varieties, Dwarves, and of course Humans, but other than those I’ve got choice paralysis, especially regarding if I should just stick with common ones or make my own. Also, my thoughts would be that the elves came first, but whatever caused them to split into subraces also caused some to lose part of their powerful magic and long lifespan and develop in other ways, like becoming physically stronger, and giving rise to the other races, with the help of some mystical mutations along the line.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stick with the basics and keep your freakshit races in the peripherals.
      You want your alt-races to be cool so keep them rare, don't throw every single race into one metropolis.
      Also make sure to create racial conflicts. Not muh dwarves don't like elves shit. I'm talking the dwarves want to genocide the bug people or the crabmen want to drive the merfolk from Atlantis.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Elves, maybe of a couple varieties
      Overdone and bland.
      Europeans' inability to understand what a drow is honestly makes them really creative and you should check out their games.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's my honest belief that anyone that calls elves "bland" needs to read more about various settings, that aren't dumb isekai.
        How can you say that when dwarves exist.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Easy, exceptions prove the rule. The vast majority of all fantasy race depictions kowtow to basic b***h shit.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >exceptions prove the rule.
            That doesn't mean what you think it means. If it did, refutation by counterexample (a fundamental logical tool) would be literally impossible.

            From a design perspective I would argue usually yes and it should be humans. Humans should have a small edge over the other races to encourage people to play them and avoid garbage snowflake parties that plague modern D&D.
            Humans are the most important race. Most settings have humans as the dominant race. Humans are also the lens through which other races become special. An elf living 1,000 years or a dwarf's stout toughness is just normal if everyone is an elf. You want the party to have at least one human in it, possible multiple humans.
            Without the human base the other races in the game become rubber-forehead aliens.

            When I DMed a long 4e campaign, I required half the party to be humans. My players hated it, but I kind of wish I kept doing that in future campaigns.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The left elf is so cute

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I make them so rare that only one might be spotted the entire campaign.

  31. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think yes but it should be ballence with hard penalty

    If i want to play as an old dragon i should but in crampt places like as small dongeon where i cant fit in most small building.
    A race that is basically a social marie sue, give them a race or civ that wants to kill them on sight and as only their only life goal to frick you over no matter what so you are force to be semi nomadic

    A better at everything race with an incredible short life spend that will actually matter in game so you have race agaist the clock

    A flying race with no weakness and good at everything but must have their own race specific equipment because of their weird shape so now almost all loot is worthless to you outside of buisness so now you have to find specializes merchants that can give you new equipment making them a priority.

    Limitations can be awesome if you are rewarded to find ways to subvert it

  32. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    If one race is so “superior” to the others, what’s stopping them from quickly dominating the other races? Heck, if the races were made by gods, why would they make any other race if they made a race that’s so much better than the others, it’s like someone buying and keep an old beat up computer alongside their top of the line and brand new one.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If one race is so “superior” to the others, what’s stopping them from quickly dominating the other races
      Just because one race is superior doesn't mean they have infinite resources to subjugate EVERYONE. Maybe they don't even have the desire to do so or something is hold their numbers back. Like elves having insanely long life but extremely low birth rates.
      >why would they make any other race if they made a race that’s so much better than the others
      Easy
      Different gods created or assisted each of the races.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, but why wouldn’t the other gods stop the one who tried to make a race more powerful than any of the others then?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Okay, but why wouldn’t the other gods stop the one who tried to make a race more powerful than any of the others then
          Maybe the gods can't interfere directly with each other or their power is limited. Also a good excuse for why they need champions to carry out their work.
          You need conflict or else your shit is going to be bland.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Superiority includes magnanimity. You're thinking of Turks, the losers of history whose only historical accomplishment is genocide and they aren't even the best at it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If gods are involved then it doesn't really matter how much better one race is over another. Like halflings could be the shittiest race in the entire setting, but if their god is more active in keeping them around, they could be kicking everyone's ass.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason in real life. Trickery, deceit, and pity.

  33. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frick no they shouldn't be equal.

    Build points should be allotted to getting a good race or be cashed back for picking a shitty race. If you want to create characters of equal power/capabilities.

  34. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like making half elves consider themselves the "Superior" race based on their human view of the world and ambition, and their elven improvements to their longevity and innate abilities. They feel the elven culture and way of observing how to live their lives as deeply wasteful, unambitious, and wasting their potential, while they feel pity for humans for having the right spirit, but a body that can't deliver them to the end of their great plans.

    They often have some reason for disdain against most other races, but they keep elves in cages to be bred by humans and dogs to create the superior race.

  35. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Some races are simply better.

  36. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    My coomer brain wants to frick exactly two of these depictions, and I'll not specify which.

  37. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's okay for some races to be better than others. Too much balance is a killer in its own way that makes everything seem bland. Generally the weaker should have something unique going for them so not everyone defaults to the strongest choices.

  38. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Having one race be strictly better than another race is boring. Having individuals from one race be strictly better than individuals from another race still reeks of power fantasies imo, so I don’t like it.
    Ideally, when it comes to intelligent races, you have races which have different intellectual advantages (e.g. working memory, long-term memory, visual processing, auditory processing, etc) and do whatever you want with physical strength and other non-intellectual attributes.
    Also, technological advancement shouldn’t be tied too much to innate intellectual capacity. For example, humans of the same intellectual capacity have lived in many different eras of technological advancement

  39. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where is this art from? Looks like early to mid Pathfinder?

  40. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP races suck mechanically as they invalidate playing any other race and make the experience less fun in general. Ideally every race should have its own strengths and weaknesses to make them all fun and “fair” to play

  41. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lizardmen should be always superior, and other races serve them as lower beings.

  42. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is a superior race, and they’re called Giants

  43. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    if this is dnd (considering the races present), why are the elf and half-elf so tall? they should be shorter than the human.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      because most people will just ignore the height "requirements" and over the different editions it's always been a back and-forth whether elves are all manlets or if they're generally the same size as humans

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      they also shouldn't be cloud and sephiroth but the artist took some liberties
      heights are a range anyway

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      D&D has flipflopped on whether elves are shorter than humans or tall like tolkien elves depending on how litigious the tolkien estate is feeling tha decade.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >D&D has flipflopped on whether elves are shorter than humans or tall like tolkien elves depending on how litigious the tolkien estate is feeling tha decade.
        Maybe in some supplemental settings, but in the actual rules, I think they've always been shorter. Pathfinder has taller elves, I think (and maybe that's what the picture is for), but Pathfinder isn't actual D&D.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably Warcraft influence, where elves were taller than men on account of actually being trolls.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Even in Warcraft, the high elves and blood elves are shorter than humans.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Really? I thought that the elves were tall and thin in those games.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Night Elves and Nightborne are, all the others shorter/even with humans

  44. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    From a design perspective I would argue usually yes and it should be humans. Humans should have a small edge over the other races to encourage people to play them and avoid garbage snowflake parties that plague modern D&D.
    Humans are the most important race. Most settings have humans as the dominant race. Humans are also the lens through which other races become special. An elf living 1,000 years or a dwarf's stout toughness is just normal if everyone is an elf. You want the party to have at least one human in it, possible multiple humans.
    Without the human base the other races in the game become rubber-forehead aliens.

  45. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    small races would naturally be the highest ranked races. service industries are more advanced than manufacturing which are more advanced than agricultural

    now pixies dont need much food, a city of a million could feed itself with a few acres. their manufacturing would also have been focused on delicate, high cost stuff like clocks. which means that the two early stages of economical development wouldve been largely skipped for services. a pixie is as smart as any taller race but needs less resources and less space so theyre extremely competitive for anything that doesnt need brute strength

    in modern times this would be shit like programmers, lawyers, architects and so on

  46. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Wrong thread, 40ktard.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry, I had a 40k thread opened right next to this in my tab bar. I blame

      why are there no half-gnomes, half-dwarf and half...halflings?
      humans would absolutely rape them just like they rape orcs and elfs

      for the confusion.

  47. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Should there be a superior race
    Yes, but purely to be used as a great and terrible foe to be conquered and destroyed.

  48. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is OP pic specifically from Pathfinder? Tall elves, colorful gnomes, I'm like 98% sure it is.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      If it is its from a third party setting book as it doesn't match the art style of the main line stuff.
      Either way I want to frick the gnome

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're all in their underwear and for some reason I can't help but think only the gnome looks like a stripper
        >It must be the miniskirt

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          100% the skirt
          also nice digits king

  49. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is cool to have races that have superior qualities, but they also should have some kind of racial weaknesses or follies to somewhat hold them back to prevent the setting from being solved.

  50. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    In every fantasy setting Elves are the de facto main characters and primary race

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have nothing to contribute, just wanted to say I would frick the hell out of that gnome. Thank you.

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want to FRICK the dwarf!

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    In my setting there is no humans or humanoid races

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What do you have instead then?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Horses both real and fantasy (Unicorns, Bicorns, Pegasus, etc)
        Bovids like Cows and Goats too

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    superior at what? in my setting, some races are naturally smarter, others are physically better than the rest, some have very long lifespans others live as much as 50 years and some others never die

  55. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thoughts on anteater people? While normally I don't like beastfolk I was thinking of non-standard possibilities for a dark elf slave race and something about anteaters I guess just suitable for it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      give them a short burrow speed and you'd have to figure out how they're fed since they need to eat a lot of bugs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      give them a short burrow speed and you'd have to figure out how they're fed since they need to eat a lot of bugs

      Make some kind of acidic rock-eating termite that causes problems for drow, then have acid-resistant anteater people as the natural predators of the rock termites. I think it would be better if they were blind and hairless and native to the underdark but you could take it in a lot of different directions.

  56. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think the concept of races in fantasy settings is cringe but vital for space/sci-fi settings
    Even the most famous examples like the Hyborian Age on Conan stories or ASOIAF know that the main conflicts should be entirely human and make other sentient life forms either non existent or so rare 98% of humanity would never come across even a single specimen of a non human race in their lifes

    On the other hand, say what you will about the quality of Dune or Starfield but the lack of other intelligent life forms makes the universe feel boring and stagnated unlike Star Wars or 40k
    (Again, all of them are the most mainstream examples, not necesarily "good")

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I disagree but I see your opinion and I think I get it, mostly.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong you fricking Black person
      >Hyborian Age on Conan stories or ASOIAF
      Rancid fricking taste. Go read Tolkien and learn how fricking moronic the verbal diarrhea you just posted is. Then have a nice day publicly for penitence.

      Reminder for everyone else that THESE are the """people""" ruining YOUR hobby

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lotr is legit kinda shit compared to Conan

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Conan was written by a mentally ill homosexual who didnt have the mental fortitude to not blow his own brains out when his mommy died. You should follow in his example and deepthroat a shotgun.

  57. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vampire goblins trick humans into thinking that orcs and gnolls are their equals, so as to gradually replace the humans with the other races and halfbreeds, allowing the goblins to eventually rule the planet with no competition.

  58. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you say anything but human you're a misanthrope who's ngmi

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