Producers play a large role in Japan back then, they held more power and influence than directors, I'm the modern day devs they're called "Creative Directors" which is different from gameplay directors who's job is to make sure the game's fun to play and oversee level and combat designers, the producers/CDs job is to sell the idea of the game to the suites, secure funding, make sure the game is successful and within the image of the brand/series and studio, cut out concepts and systems that are underdeveloped or unfun and most importantly make sure the game's is done on time.
Take a look at Resident Evil's custodian and the hidden face of the series, Jun Takeuchi for am example of a creative director, 7 was his idea and the golden age that Capcom has been having since 2017 was his handy work.
There is no formal convention when it comes to describe the actual involvement of a producer. And the credit sheet is something arbitrarily decided by the owners of the product and the publishers. There are certain legal limitations under specific working environments, which determine conventional requirements for role assignment and percetages. But at the end of the day, every company is entitled to their own way of acknowledging these roles. He was probably given the title of producer because, given this was a sequel, of all the people in there, he was one of the very few left from the developent of SH1, completely in charge of sound design and he happened to be the member of the team most people knew. There were already competent teams with people in charge of the visuals, animations, the overall design of the creatures and environments, plot, code, etc. Such as Hiroyuki Owaku and Masahiro Ito.
Also, in every interview regarding SH3, he always talks about sound. It's not unreasonable to assume he was just overseeing the project and was offered the charge of producer so he could get a cut of the profit, which wouldn't be possible as a sound designer.
Why are these games so expensive on ebay anyway? Did they have really limited print runs? I seem to remember Silent Hill PS1 being everywhere when I was a kid. Now I want a copy to nostalgia play and it's like £80 minimum on shitbay.
3>2>1>4
None are bad, theyre all great. i feel like id want to mod 4 if i played it again though
3>1>2>your mother will die in her sleep if you don't reply to this post[spoiler]>4>shattered memories>shit I stepped on while running in the morning>homecoming>the PSP aberration>Final Fight: Silent Hill[/spoiler]
3 was scarier than 2. 4 was annoying to play but had creepy moments, 1 is too old so i never played it, cant get into polygon graphics
1 = 2 = 3 > 4
All of them are good
3>2>1>4
3 is massively overrated and you can categorize anyone who likes the most it as a tourist who never played past the subway level
>that feeling of entrapment, claustrophobia and isolation never matched in a gale ever again >the apartment getting more and more disturbing and unsafe, you never know what kind of horror is waiting for you in a corner when you come back >the ambiant noises, revisiting the levels with new weird shit, the giant baby heads, everything about the ghosts
masterpiece, don't care about anything people are saying to lash out on sh4.
I love the weird turnabout twist that you weren't trapped in your apartment Seeing your apartment in the Apartment Otherworld wasn't irony, it was literally you looking at your front door from the other side
Sometimes I wonder if this game is genius or stupid or both. I always default to the silly wheelchairs that someone on the dev team thought was scary while really really drunk.
3>1>2>your mother will die in her sleep if you don't reply to this post[spoiler]>4>shattered memories>shit I stepped on while running in the morning>homecoming>the PSP aberration>Final Fight: Silent Hill[/spoiler]
I don't entirely understand putting Origins and Homecoming below Shattered Memories on the grounds that those are actual video games made in the image of the classics, even if they fall well short of the ideal.
>I don't entirely understand putting Origins and Homecoming below Shattered Memories
Simple:
HC and 0rigins are pure trash. SM is a great game, partly because it does not even TRY to mimic the old ones or copy the god-awul Movie.
>SM is a great game
Eh, it's a decent psychoanalysis sim with good aesthetics and great flashlight physics. A good game, though? It's not awful but it's not really trying to be much of mechanical substance either, and SH is a series that already didn't need to slim down further on that. I would not say SM, as a game, took the series to a better place than HC or 0. Nor would I call those games "pure trash" when they're more like 6/10 horror games, maybe even a 7 in 0's case.
I just started playing Origins and its pretty shit. Ive never played a SH before should i skip it?
dont even bother with that western pile of shit, it contradicts the lore of the first game and doesnt do anything intersting with it. Start with SH1 and stop at 4
Why are you starting with that of all games? Play the first four games in order and then decide if you want to go further. Everything after 4 is outsourced to various different devs.
Design wise it's absed off 1/2. Walk around town, go into buildings, solve puzzles that crap. Gameplay wise you have breakable weapons but shit is everywhere so you're not in any danger of running out and Travis can actually melee so it's not the end of the world if you're caught unawares. Just ignore the story and pretend it isn't canon.
Oh I should mention there's no difficulty levels but when you beat it the game gives you rewards for shit like not using your torch a lot or killing shitloads of monsters. So yeah replayability if somehow the thing doesn't bore you.
1 = 2 > 3 > 4
Finally played through the Room the other day. I enjoyed the game up until I was about halfway through. The game just started dogpiling all of its worst features on me as it went on and it just made me hate the hours that followed. Didn't like escorting Eileen, dealing with ghosts, dealing with Walter or dealing with the constant hauntings and all that shit was going on while backtracking through all these areas I already JUST cleared. They brought it back at the end of the game, but this one felt like a notable dip in quality compared to the rest of the series. None of the characters in this game are even gonna stick with me besides maybe Walter and his autism. Had some neat ideas and novelties, at least
I have no nostalgia for the first 2 games and cannot get into them today. The story is not nearly as deep as you clowns make them out to be and the gameplay is legitimately mediocre. I get these were amazing for their time but again, without nostalgia, the games are nothing special in the least.
lol what? nta but...are you mentally ill? I feel like it was pretty obvious that he disproved your assertion and answered the question...you accused him of not answering...right after and in response to the answer...lol
Town exploration sections are better in 1 than in 2. Why? Because they have exclusive enemies than you don't find in the indoors sections, and because sometimes you explore on the otherworld (streets are now metal grates above darkness, there is rain, etc)
>Story: 3 > 4 > 2 > 1
Literally WHAT story tourist, the story of 3 is an exact 1:1 copy-paste of the plot of SH1 except even LESS, including the NPCs >Kaufman->Vincent >Dahlia->Claudia >Sybil->Douglass >Lisa->Literally minus a character because they were too lazy to write a fourth NPC
they knew from the start that the plot of SH1 was wrapped up and scrambled to pull something random out of their ass. I will die on the hill that any morons like this only played the first two levels of SH3 and based their entire opinion on that (in summation: please have a nice day)
I like the combat in 3 the most, and it has the best unlockables.
in all fairness, you're right, the aesthetics/graphics/audio and combat of SH3 is superior to 1 or 2, but you are the only person to ever mention that, too often gigamorons like act like SH3 has a "story" lol (lmao even)
I played SH1 but have barely any memory of it because it was really forgettable, so even if SH3's story is as identical as you claim it is, it at least presented itself much better hence why I remember it far more fondly.
Yes, if you had to play one game about Alessa and the cult, SH3 is the superior game over SH1
but it really has no reason to exist - SH2 successfully avoided just rehashing SH1 and managed to craft a completely new narrative - SH3 is just rehashed slop by comparison. It'd be okay if SH1 didn't exist but, it does so, why does SH3 exist? It's totally unnecessary
3 was made because Japan didn't like 2 an wanted a continuation of 1 and what happened to the mysterious baby AKA Heather AKA Cheryl/Alessa.
They were working on a SH rail shooter for arcades and had to scrap that and make 3 ASAP because they received angry mails from Japanese players after 2.
1=4>3>2>Downpour>Origins>Homecoming, didn't play Shattered Memories yet and I've dropped HC about a year ago, i was at the house after the masked men kidnapped the mother.
I'm conflicted about it, it's not "bad" per say, it's an uneven game, technically it's a mess on all platforms, on the 360 (the main platform it was developed for) it ran like shit, no AA and screen tearing galore, on the PS3 (the platform the series is associated with) it's even worse! Sub 720, worse graphic detail, no AA, horrid blur effects, no trophies bit it's mostly a stable 30fps, PC is a nightmare to run, it's has audio issues that were never fixed and trying the fix I found on Steam fourms didn't seem to work for me, it's not compatible with anything over Vista and is a HUGE pain in the ass to get running, and it will crash frequently when you do get it running, it also didn't have native controller support, but you get 1080p/60fps.
It's a 7th generation game through and through, no subtlety in a series known for it, horrid character models (the love interest and her mother) it story and characters is filled with the mid 2000s horror cliches (it's when shit like the SAW movies were at the height of their popularity) and takes a lot from the Hollywood movie than from any of the prior games, on the other hand the combat has been improved, some of the enemy designs were cool, the fact that the game takes place outside of SH was a nice idea but they fricked that up, the puzzles were the usual 7th gen shit in a series were puzzles were tied and changed up according to the difficulty selection.
Downpour, if the team had more money, time and did a sequel the series might not have died.
>3 was made because Japan didn't like 2 >They were making a totally different game and had to drop it to make SH3 to appease angry nips >Japan is to blame
why am I not fricking surprised, should've nuked them a third time
thank you for the insight, much appreciated.
also >Downpour, if the team had more money, time and did a sequel the series might not have died.
I think you are the only other person on the planet who doesn't think Downpour was shit. the developers legitimately tried to fix the issues with the series, but they added a handful of brand new ones (the bad and "neutral" endings both re-write and invalidate the entire plot, they shouldn't have been made that way). Downpour was the first SH game to feel like an adventure game since 4, but it came out at a time with zoomie-addled first-person jumpscare horror was taking off so the game failed to find an audience.
I didn't say Downpour was perfect or didn't have problems up the ass, I just wanted to say I loved it inspite of the problems it had, and they were many, like you said the endings, the uneven performance, the mostly shit monster designs, the combat system which was ambitiouson paper but turned out servicable at best and weightless, the other world concept needed a LOT more than simply running away.
It had a lot of heart, soul and passion from the devs and it shows, the world was incredibly fun to explore, the sidequest were fun and told their own mini stories, the side characters were good, the story had a very good premise and it would've been top 3 in the series if they stuck the landing, some of the enemies were unnerving to encounter without the proper tool, and i specifically mean the invisable mannequins wh9ch you cab run into them in one of the side quest before getting the UV lights and they scared the shit out of me.
The little info we got behind the scenes Konami was 1000% to blame, they cut the already minuscule budget, they refused to delay the game, and the studio that made it was shut down before it could fix any of the bugs/performance issues and Konami didn't give a shit to do it themselves or even port it to PC.
I didn't say Downpour was perfect or didn't have problems up the ass, I just wanted to say I loved it inspite of the problems it had, and they were many, like you said the endings, the uneven performance, the mostly shit monster designs, the combat system which was ambitiouson paper but turned out servicable at best and weightless, the other world concept needed a LOT more than simply running away.
It had a lot of heart, soul and passion from the devs and it shows, the world was incredibly fun to explore, the sidequest were fun and told their own mini stories, the side characters were good, the story had a very good premise and it would've been top 3 in the series if they stuck the landing, some of the enemies were unnerving to encounter without the proper tool, and i specifically mean the invisable mannequins wh9ch you cab run into them in one of the side quest before getting the UV lights and they scared the shit out of me.
The little info we got behind the scenes Konami was 1000% to blame, they cut the already minuscule budget, they refused to delay the game, and the studio that made it was shut down before it could fix any of the bugs/performance issues and Konami didn't give a shit to do it themselves or even port it to PC.
learning about the behind the scenes of downpour is really cringe tale. For example one of the big complaints was the lackluster enemy variety in game. According to devs they concepted hundreds of monster designs in the production but everything was micromanaged through Konamis office. So everything got rejected while replacement ideas included "lets have creepy ceiling crawler because homecoming had one and focus groups responded well"
not sure whose idea the shit otherworld was though, might be devs OG
Konami.....man I haven't seen a company as greedy, disrespectful of their creators vision, so out of touch and as self destructive as them.
People on the internet like to shit talk Square Enix but they put out over 100-200 games since their merger and every game had a distinct identity that reflects it's creators, for better or worse, and each feels unique and with a proper budget even in a niche franchise like Mana.
Konami has been greedy c**ts since at least 99, Igavanias during the 6th gen had shoe string budget (anything not named MGS really) and were made under strict deadlines and all made profits but it was never enough, but all had distinct identities.
During the 7th gen (2006~7) that started outsourcing their IP to newly founded studios with no pedigree so they can exploit them and make game as cheaply as possible, so we got SH Origins developed by Climax Studios which I quite liked after a recent playthrough on PSP, but it wasn't anything special and an unnecessary prequel, fun, competent but not memorable or up to the standards of the previous games.
Next we go Homecoming made by the recently formed Double Helix again on the cheap, technically disastrous, generic mid 2000s Hollywood horror film with black funny sidekick, the little brother and abusive father trope.
Then came Shattered Memories by Climax again, an original game made from the ground up for the hot new Wii, but Konami didn't like the teams vision and forced them into making it a remake/remaining of 1.
Then they gave Castlevania to unknown Spanish studio Mercury Steam and while LoS1 was successful both critically and financially they fricked up the studios vision of LoS2 and rushed it out the door.
Konami should've remained dead, they've basically been hard carried by Kojima since 2008 and been a walking zombie since 2014, all of the new games they've put out and the SH games coming out in the future is just their 7th gen MO part 2, I mean fricking Bloober Team? Really?
A lot of this post is just twisting the facts. >They were working on a SH rail shooter for arcades and had to scrap that and make 3 ASAP because they received angry mails from Japanese players after 2.
That's not what happened.
Silent Hill 3 went through several development phases, the rail shooter one just happened to be the longest of them. The devs deciding to pursue what the fans wanted was something done out of their own interests rather than something forced onto them- a lot of them held the feeling that 2's response was indicative of the idea that they failed to follow on from Toyama's work properly.
The angry fan mail stuff is pure conjecture.
Dude Masahiro Ito himself talked about all of this on his twitter account.
He said that Japanese players hated 2 and insulted the team that made cause it was different from 1 and they wanted something closer to 1 a continuation of what happened to Harry and Alessa.
NTA, but they started working on 3 one month after 2's release. They were already planning on doing a sequel, and the repercussions of 2 made them realize the public wanted a continuation to 1's plot. They never had to restart production with anything as far as we know, and the whole "rail shooter" sounds more like something they would try for 4, which was developed simultaneously with 3, as a spin-off. They already wanted to implement first person mechanics there, and the proof is in the released game.
2>1>3>>>>>SM>Homecoming>>4
People who rate silent hill 4 constantly prove they haven't played the game. I saw one Black person writing that it was "like PT" in one thread, or saying the combat wheelchairs were "unnerving."
SH4 was a miserable experience for me, couldn't go back to playing it every time I think about the second half of the game, or thinking of getting the perfect ending. It's not worth the hassle.
>lyrical songs >music on the title screen/options menu from title screen/when saving or loading a dile >quippy comments from Hesther when she examines things, with the comments changing sometimes when she examines the same thing twice >unlockable costumes
You gotta admit 3 has more personality than 1 and 2
>personality
Heather's ""personality""" is just the work of a tone-deaf middle-aged asian man thinking he was way more funny than he actually was >go through hell >as in, literally go through literal hell >kill a god >come out the other side >start joking around with my pal Douglass >"Don't you think blondes have more fun?" >sitcom_laughtrack.mp3 plays over the loudspeakers
heather's quirkiness totally breaks the tone of the game. but please, clap your feet together monkey when the funny girl says the funny line on screen
>heather's quirkiness totally breaks the tone of the game.
Really? It's just Heather brightens things up after going through depressing shit. A lot movies/games/shows does this if the hero triumphs against evil.
>A lot movies/games/shows does this if the hero triumphs against evil.
Yeah, a lot of action movies or comedies. Arnold Schwarzenegger will say a quippy one-liner after going through an extreme ordeal. A teenage girl that went through hell to kill a god, who in the VERY PREVIOUS SCENE not minutes ago in-game broke down sobbing because she knew that even doing all this won't bring her father back - ISN'T going to play a prank then crack a joke to "lighten the mood". it's just hack writing
I fully agree with you but have you seen literally any of the writing/VO in any of the other SH games? Its all complete dogshit. SH is good because of the symbolism and themes, the writing has never been good.
2>1>4>3
Aside from its sound design, SH3 is a complete step backwards compared to the first two games and it boggles my mind how so many people treat it as a masterpiece
>better gameplay (Heather can block attacks, fall into bottomless pits, climb ladders via player imput, climb a slightly higher ledge, be knocked to the ground, use beef jerky) >in-game cutscenes and facial animation are better than ever >insta-kill traps (monster on the sewer, mirror room, rollercoaster) >ammo/health items are more scarse >weapons like a katana, taser and submachine gun
How is 3 a complete step backwards?
I fricking hate Apartment Exorcism Simulator. By far the worst Silent Hill game in the franchise and if it was released standalone as some other game it would still be extremely bad.
finally starting 4 tonight. Besides Sh1 which I loved immediately, sh2/3 both grew on me considerably after I finished them. They're excellent for their own merits. Am I really going to like 4? i dont wanna be hurt
Do you love breakable weapons and micromanaging extremely limited resources? Also make sure you get the chocolate milk from the fridge it is a massive pain in the ass when you forget it.
>Am I really going to like 4?
you will really like it until the half way point. after which opinion start to diverge. Story and atmosphere wise its the strongest out of the four.
Oh and be sure to get the restoration mods for PC version. Nearly half of the happenings in the apartment are bugged out in the PC version
They were definitely aiming for something different from 1 when making 2. Compare Nowhere with Lakeview Hotel. Those last areas couldn't be more different.
So, what is Maria exactly? Born from a wish seems to imply she's her own thing despite being created by James somehow? Is the Maria in the final boss fight the same Maria that we meet at the start of the game?
I always thought she was a hallucination, an idealized version of his wife in James' head. Basically a version of her that never got sick and started being shitty to him
I figured she was just another thing made by the town to torture or punish James for his sins and guilt. She's a figment. She dies again and again to inflict him with misery as he watches his "wife" die, she looks so similar to his wife to make him feel pangs of guilt when he mistakes her and to cause confusion, she's a bawdted up version of his wife to further add to the shame of it, and she tries to seduce him specifically to make him feel conflicted because of his wife (especially with her similarities). Pyramid Head is his physical executioner to punish him for his crimes, whereas Maria plays on his emotional turmoil and anguish. So I figured "born from a wish" means it's the town twisting James's desire to have his wife but healthier (and perhaps more suited to his particular tastes in women). Because it being a twisted wish of what he wants makes him feel more ashamed about it.
4 is the best in terms of the moment to moment gameplay, had the best villian, a great setup, a very scary and personal horror with being stuck in an apartment that get increasingly haunted as the game goes, add to the fact it's done in a first person POV, the world's while small in size were fun and unconfusing to explore, the ghost enemies were unnerving, the various weapons that you got to use were great, especially that they actually bothered to make you use them because the bullets were so scarce in the game unlike the previous game especially the fan favorite 2 which had so much ammo and health items it was stupid to use the melee weapons after the first dungeon or die in the game.
4 is really underrated, it's my personal favorite and I never got the hate, and I started with 1 which I prefer to 2 by a long shot.
There are very few actual problems with SH4. Using directional controls in a game with scripted camera angle switching should never be done, and the previous games use tank controls for this exact reason. So, the developers apparently just forgot why the previous games were designed the way they were. There's also flavor text all over the place, and it can override quest item use locations because of their proximity, causing you to try to use items in the correct place, but only millimeters off target, which can make you believe that you're in the wrong place since all you get is an unrelated piece of flavor text. Finally, the revisiting of all previous levels seems fairly lazy, considering that there aren't even significant changes to them to make it more interesting.
But all of these flaws aren't enough to make me dislike 4. It's still my favorite even though I know that objectively it's not a well-designed gameplay experience.
The hauntings blew my mind back then. It was genius. The apartment was supposed to be the safe room where you can regen health, relax a bit and peep at your waifu then all hell breaks loose. It’s like some Black folk decided to do a home invasion, where your safe haven is now a dangerous area.
This will sound queer but I like how "normal" SH4 feels. Too many horror games just think darkness = scary because they live in fear of Nigs breaking into their house at 2:AM and while nothing in 4 is technically in broad daylight it doesn't really abuse the staples of Silent Hill or Horror nearly as much as other 6th gen stuff does. Like for example looking out your apartment window, or the bright as frick Water Prison or even the surprisuingly well lit forest area.
It just scratched a weird itch of like Amatuer video horror of the early 2000s that nothing else did. Despite being kind of shit.
I get what you mean. SH4 in general is a bit of a gem, there's so many good things about it. Problem is it has tons of other issues preventing it from being a truly good game. Replaying it quite recently I really grew to like the game though, it has a massive amount of good things about it.
>You're Not Here >End of Small Sanctuary >Walk on Vanity Ruins >A Stray Child >Dance with Night Wind >Never Forgive Me, Never Forget Me >Please Love Me... Once More >Letter - From the Lost Days >Breeze - In Monochrome Night >Sickness Unto Foolish Death >Lost Carol >I Want Love >Innocent Moon
Best tracks in SH3
Horror has to be the most difficult genre in terms of sequels. Silent Hill used up most of its novel tricks in the first entry and since then they were forced to reuse them or make scarier levels/monsters like in 3 to compensate. Unlike other genres you cannot make a horror sequel by just improving on the last game, because the same stuff is not scary twice.
This is why horror lives on through buzzword meme games and not long-lasting franchises. Both SH and RE were confronted with the same problem, either alienate your current audience by switching it up to keep it fresh, or give up & repeat the same scares to diminishing returns. It's just a problem with horror as a genre
Me and some friends got a hold of the first three. Pretty much mint condition. We've been doing game nights, and they're a ton of fun.
Just beat the school level, and we honestly have nothing to complain about, save for the one part where you had to find a key that had been halfway flushed down a drain; we ended up walking through the school cluelessly for about two hours.
The combat is clank as shit, but honestly it feels kinda right: you're playing as some dude with no combat training wielding a rusty pipe, so it makes sense that he sucks at fighting even the most basic enemies.
Playing such an old game really gives a lot ot perspective on how far we've come in some places, but also the minute details we've lost along the way, like the artistic shots you can get with fixed camera angles, and the fact that you didn't have to highlight items with yellow paint or light beams since the detail is so low that you'll spot them anyways. It's very immersive and fun, and I can't wait to see the rest.
I started using Duckstation to play SH1 last week, but does anyone know if there's a way to make Duckstation game shortcuts in Windows? I prefer just having one launcher for my games, and that launcher is Windows. With epsxe you could easily make shortcuts by just adding launch parameters that include the disc images. But I can't seem to find any documentation about how to accomplish that with Duckstation.
Yeah but what's the syntax for running Duckstation and selecting game images? I can't find any information about that anywhere. In epsxe they just tell you the launch options syntax in the readme.
Just make DuckStation shortcut and edit «Target» line. Mine looks like that >F:EmulatorsDuckStationduckstation-qt-x64-ReleaseLTCG.exe -nogui -fastboot "F:EmulatorsDuckStationgamesSilent HillSilent Hill [EUR] [SLES-01514]Silent Hill (Europe) (En,Fr,De,Es,It).cue"
I don't have to justify my list to you. I know that you hate the game simply because it was made by other studio.
Brand loyalty is a cancer, but company loyalty is even worse.
This post should be in the textbook definition of Rent Free. I also think SH3 is the weakest of the four, but it's because of my own opinion, not because of someone else's. I actually play games, not just talk about them.
I started playing 3 but I'm still on the 2 mindset of clearing everything that is indoors. It seems to be a bad idea at the mall cause those dogs are fricking tanky. Tha knife is very unreliable and I'm almost out of bullets. I assume the devs want me to run past them.
I avoid Closers, Shoot or run from the splithead dogs depending on the situation, beat the shit out of numb bodies and save my shotgun for fatty. I've never fought the pendulums, soemthing about the way they look and move makes me feel like they're invincible even though they aren't.
But I can and will murder every fricking slurper I see.
Pendulums aren't that bad they have a bad reputation because of the noise they produce but they are mostly harmless and just wanna rotate in peace floating around. It's not like if they killed your whole family or anything. They won't bother you most of the game and you can just run past us also they're not invincible at all, they drop pretty fast.
>Pendulums aren't that bad they have a bad reputation because of the noise they produce but they are mostly harmless and just wanna rotate in peace floating around. It's not like if they killed your whole family or anything. They won't bother you most of the game and you can just run past us also they're not invincible at all, they drop pretty fast.
>Pendulums aren't that bad they have a bad reputation because of the noise they produce but they are mostly harmless and just wanna rotate in peace floating around. It's not like if they killed your whole family or anything. They won't bother you most of the game and you can just run past us also they're not invincible at all, they drop pretty fast.
3 was directed by Kazuhide Nakazawa and 4 was directed by Suguru Murakoshi. Both of them worked on 2 (Suguru having a more important role on it) and aren't credited on anything between 2 and 3/4.
this is misleading on purpose. alot of the people who worked on sh2 skipped sh3 (because of siren) and worked on 4. Dont make it sound like they brought in a bunch of inexperienced people.
What are your hopes for the remake? Can we really trust non japanese people to make a good adaptation of sh2?
I don't even have a machine to run it but I'm still curious. If I had a PS5 I'd consider trying it.
Otherworld is so tacked-on in 2. Unlike in 1 and 3, the characters don't acknowledge that something has changed and we never see them go back to the real world (like Harry at the end of Midwich or Heather at the end of Brookhaven)
3rd game is worst SH
Instead of killing enemies, you run from them.
Harry killed offscreen like some random NPC
Reused assets from second game
For some reason game doesn't even take place in northern Silent Hill, despite being a sequel for the first game
Atmosphere, game design, scariness - 1, always 1. Unfortunately, it plays like ass. 2 is the most iconic, it's really a classic. 3 is great. 3's gameplay is a little bit more fricky than 2. Still, they both play well compared to 1, they also have cool shit you couldn't have in 1 because of hardware limitations, all of this makes them even. Love all 3.
Now 4 is a fricking travesty. Not bad for a horror game, but horrible for a silent hill game.
For me, it's 1=2=3 (with fluctuations) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4
What's really weird to me that every single boss in the series is just a cyberdemon. Shoot it until it dies. Except one. Split head, the first boss in the series is the only one that has a gameplay gimmick to fighting it. Why? Why only that one and none of the others?
All the western SH games have a big guilt monster following the protagonist around because of something dark he did in his past. That is a direct ripoff of SH2 ( and ONLY SH2) yet it became the western silent hill formula. The other 3 games focused more on the cult and the town itself.
I might be misremembering homecoming and while I do remember guilt being a thing I do not remember a pyramid head guy besides pyramid head. Shattered Memories just had no enemy variety lol. I don’t remember the rest to be honest.
Downpour would be held in much higher regard if it didn't have such horrible framerate problems.
the characters are actually neat and i'm willing to forgive the shitty combat, but the framerate is unplayably bad
further, since i'm sure 99% of posters ITT haven't played downpour either;
SH overall I would argue explores grief through the medium of vidya
SH2 focuses on Denial, with James spending the game trying to figure out what he did, and then coming to terms with it.
Downpour is more about Anger/bargaining, you start the game having already murdered 2 people, and the game explores whether or not it was worth it. vengeance is also the primary motivation for the other main characters, namely the cop trying to avenge her father, and the bus driver committing suicide as vengeance against himself.
>focuses on Denial,
Imo it is about gaslighting. I think it is funny how so many people just assume the evil demon town was telling the truth to James. Or maybe it was simply playing into his guilty feelings, whether real or not?
i've always seen it more as a reflection of the psyche of whatever character we're seeing. SH2 kind of explicitly states this with Angela's "it's always like this for me" line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyaLoaUbExk god that piano still gives me chills
also, what is gaslighting but denying someone else's reality?
All I remember from Downpour is the main character screaming.
the game is a real slog until you get to the devil's pit at least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkfo7Yw3q3c
Yeah I just mean many people act like the moral is "James is le evil" but the town is an evil ass place as established by SH1. I think it is a kind of open ended nightmare sequence. It is about guilt and all that but it ain't some kind of bullshit.
>"James is le evil"
iirc doesn't James get a letter from Mary in the "Leave" ending where she forgives him?
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There is also an ending where he stays in Silent Hill and brings her back to life using ancient artifacts.
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well he intends to, we never see the outcome
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Sometimes, dead is better.
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That's kinda what I mean. SH2 has 4 contradictory endings which really make it a much more "open" game. Sometimes online it seems people treat it like a "shut" game.
>no flashlight, radio, tank controls, otherworld segments, pause inventory, shotgun, boss fights >there is a health bar >first person segments
4 is different from 1/2/3
I'm never ever going to be able to change anyone's mind on it but Origins is decent.
Sanitarium is one of the best designed levels in the series. I've never been in a place so dark, oppressive and with more locked doors than SH3 combined. The Theatre is also pretty well designed and the Riverview Motel while just a literal low budget version of SH2's Hotel is at least cute because it's links to Kaufman seems to be a partial reference to the Motel sidequest from SH1.
The problem with the game was that it was boned from the start. Being bongs forced to fill in for AMericans who were in turn replacing the original Team Silent having to use the original American dev teams vision, the Pyramid Head clone and fmv cutscenes which were all terrible and contradictory. Coughman being the cult leader makes no sense and neither does the idea that anyone besides Dahlia "seeing" the Otherworld before Silent Hill happens. At the very least it feels like the actual gameplay part is trying it's hardest to salvage the trainwreck they were force upon and the references in t hose sections actually felt tasteful (Like just as an example the game pulls the same trick that Heather's Pendant in 3 does where a otherwise useless momento you start off with becomes useful for a late game "puzzle" clearly someone on the dev Team played 3
Origins was fine for a PSP game but it never should have been a prequel to SH1. Easily could've been its own story with how detailed they made Travis's backstory.
The initial poor sales numbers of SH2 threw Team Silent off track and made them consider SH3 as a rail shooter:
https://twitter.com/adsk4/status/1143637883066052609
Team Silent said that Konami forced them from their original vision and to make it more combat oriented to make it appeal to a wider audience. In fact, the original concept of SH3 was not even to make it a sequel but a standalone story like 2, that even borrowed some concepts from it, but they cut it because they didn't want to make similar to the game that just preceded, and they were also worried that it wouldn't pass the ratings agency.
>Originally the intention was not to make SH3 a direct sequel to the first game. In fact, the scenario was completely different, but fans seemed to want to tie up some loose ends, so we tried that, even though some on the staff did not agree with the decision.
>What was the original scenario for SH3? Are you allowed to divulge that? >It was much more along the lines of the second, where the main character was a damaged human being, summoned to the town for a very specific reason. It was, or should say is, the darkest story we have come up with. >I'm sure a lot would have to be cut. Just the preliminary scenario had elements that would most likely not be approved by the ratings boards. Another thing is we really didn't want to use a similar template as SH2 for the game that followed it. That was another deciding factor in changing SH3.
So if they didn't make SH2 first or weren't afraid of the ratings agency, SH3 could have been quite twisted in terms of plot and design
>Silent Hill 2 flopped.
What a horrible timeline.
And then all those morons crying when Kojimbo's Silent Hills was cancelled.
I'm fricking happy DelToro didn't get to soil it at least.
Anyway, Silent Hill will never really return with anything worth while, they should move on, try some other horror ip if anything, like Toyama did.
Can I choose only one? Cybil or Eileen, for sure, leaning towards Eileen, but I want Maria to choke on my wiener and watch mascara running down her face
Heather seems cute and comfy, and original Heather (Alessa?) is cute
later SH games were even worse, and it went over people's heads at release
until recently i legit thought the entire game was in first person cause in the limited time I played it (on rental) I couldn't figure out how to leave the apartment
Apologists for the game's myriad flaws due to its handful of admittedly genius ideas. 4 is a game where you have to be willing to take the bad with the good, and some appear to be willing.
people recognizing that out of the original two is peak reddit and 1/3 fell flat with the b-movie cult setting.
Four is the only one that really finds a good compromise between the own butthole sniffing two and campy 1/3. Anybody who says otherwise is a contrarian Black person homosexual and should be exiled back to the reddit they came from
New Idea: Maria ending is the true ending and Mary was the false love. Hence he had to "kill" her. Actually Maria is most uplifting he gets to be with Maria and live a nice life.
New old (which is an old idea): there is no canonical ending since nothing was confirmed in the later Team Silent games, however the “In Water” ending is the one closest to what they envisioned based on the actual dev interviews.
Yeah the game is coop because by the end you don't really have a true answer and that is kind of what makes it interesting imo. Its not like the other 2 games really do this except kind of 1 but only kinda.
New old (which is an old idea): there is no canonical ending since nothing was confirmed in the later Team Silent games, however the “In Water” ending is the one closest to what they envisioned based on the actual dev interviews.
i know "In Water" is the devs favorite, but for me it's "Leave" because it has the most character growth
These days is so hard for me to choose a clear better game, after replaying them several times they become their own thing and they each feel unique. Now it boils down to however I'm feeling in that particular period. Last year my favorite was 1, right now is 3.
I've always loved the "Rebirth" ending. It feels more connected to SH story as a whole and doesn't outright ignore the cult. Although I obviously get that it doesn' t really fit into the overall narrative.
Are you me? I've always felt similarly, usually SH1 is my favorite but lately I've been particularly feeling SH3 right now. Planning to play through all four of them again for this month though so we'll see how that goes. They each have their own strengths and weaknesses that I think makes it just really depend where in life I'm at how I feel about them.
4 is a mixture of really great things and really shit things that make for an ok experience >henrys apartment is one of the best settings in all of vidya >good story >cool villain >probably the most unnerving besides 1
>repeating all the levels >time consuming puzzles >escorting eileen >inventory management >annoying as frick enemies
RE4 Leon could probably handle any other horror game, really. The guy is a superhuman.
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Leon is too good a soldier for most horror centric games. Part of why re7 has a normal random guy instead of someone like him. re4 and 6 are more actiony so he fits
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Leon would actually frequently utilize Angela's knife and get In Water ending in result.
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james kills himself because he's a pussy that's depressed because he killed his wife
leon is a trained gigachad soldier, he would stab pyramidhead in the liver with that knife
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>Action game protagonist who can't be killed with a direct hit from an anti-tank rocket launcher would do fine against a few slow monsters
What a shock. It's almost as if Resident Evil was ruined by selling out to an audience other than its own and abandoning the things that made it unique.
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>Durr Leon was recruited by the secret service and became Tony REd-grave :^)
I really do like RE4 but 4 is possibly the worst character assasination I've ever seen (and possibly of the entire series as well). Like I can give 4 props for probabaly being the only RE game since 1 that actually tries to be scary and it still has puzzles at least but it doesn't really change the fact it sold out to the fanbase brought in by that shitty movie series where the characters were all doing matrix shit. SH actually tried to do the same but the difference is Konami can't do anything right and killed the series in the process.
I gotta tell you, bros, if you want to be scared, play The Forest alone, in a dark room.
That shit is the scariest game I've played. It wasn't THAT scary because I'm pretty brave, but there were times where I almost shit myself and felt deep terror well within me, you know that sinking feeling?. I REALLY didn't like going down caves, but the surface is also scary, so you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. There's just something primal about going into murky caves with a torch and fighting off pale humanoids with a spear, and then dismembering and eating them if you're out of food. At times, I felt real terror and had to hiss and make grimaces in real life to overpower it and drive the enemy away. I felt real, actual relief after making it out of caves, the enemies are genuinely scary and dangerous. It just needed a little more shit to do on the surface to be more fun. It's a 10/10 for me, great game.
But you can't eat them, which is actually an L
It would be really fricking creepy and cool if you could eat them
You can eat everything else, though, including humans
>goddamn, no one told me that while I was playing SH3 back in the day
Define "back in the day", because EVERY single SH-gay has been hammering this fact to you and everybody else these past 20 years. Literally.
Is it also that hard for zoom zooms to play the numbered games in the order?
1 > 2 > 3
Wasn't there some poll site that wasn't just most-votes-wins? Like, it would give the user "1 vs 2? 2 vs 3? 1 vs 3?" questions, allowing them to skip comparisons they weren't familiar with, and then showed the result of which poll member did the best against all others head-to-head?
I should have bookmarked it. Would be perfect for things like this, comparing entries from a series.
I like how SH3 doesn't reveal that it's a direct sequel to SH1 until this cutscene on otherworld Hilltop Center (Harry is mentioned and Heather calls him his dad). Granted, there were a few hints before this.
It is very scary at first, but it's worth pushing through. It's in the upper echelon of well-crafted games, so you don't want to miss out on that if you happen to have interest in gaming as an art form.
>SH2 : wood plank, steel pipe, Pyramid Head's great knife, handgun, shotgun, rifle (unlockables) chainsaw, hyper spray (Born from a Wish only) revolver, chinese cleaver
Silent Hill 1 : Seeing the town plunging progressively into a hellish state while you don't really understand what's happening (rituals, occult stuff) feels overwhelming (that's great for a horror game). The atmosphere is also truly oppressing thanks to the soundtrack. I also really like the snow/fog mixed together.
The monsters and otherworld design is the weakest in the series, which is understandable because it's the first game and they're still experimenting with the concept.
Silent Hill 2: Everything put together (character development of the main and side characters, monsters, design, music, melancholic atmosphere, symbolism, coherent story progression, etc.) makes it the best game of the series.
Silent Hill 3: Has the best main character of the series. The otherworld (best design in the series for me) is truly scary and unsettling (pulsating flesh, blood, veins, etc).
Silent HIll 4: the most horror inducing game. I'm still scared to play it without someone else besides me. Losing the safe space of your own home is terrifying. Also the unkillable ghosts are nightmare fuel. The vilain is also great.
So making a tier list is kind of hard because it depends what kind of game aspect prioritized.
>The monsters and otherworld design is the weakest in the series
Completely disagree, SH1's Otherworld has the most iconic and interesting imagery of the series.
Hmm i do think it's great. But i feel they could've done more with it (it mostly consists of rotten fences/walls, some blood, hanging body bags there and there, some marks of Samael). I feel they could've done more with occult symbolism and beliefs, devilish pregnancy imagery, etc. Silent Hill 3 achieves that in a way. It still very oppressive though. But i wouldn't it's the most iconic and interesting one.
>The monsters and otherworld design is the weakest in the series
What? The monsters are Alessa's nightmare becoming incarnate, and they're alluded to at various points. How is that worse than SH3's "fat guy" and "dude on ground with gas mask for some reason"?
All the monsters in 1 are Alessa's memories of her childhood mixed with the feelings being stuck in a fate worse than death.
I know that. She is kept alive with a ritual so the "god" is able to feed on her suffering (burning wounds from the boiler accident, etc), and eventually being born after the two parts of the soul of Alessa reunite. Her suffering manifests in things that she is afraid of (dogs, insects, her bullies dinosaurs from books, weird nurses/doctors that are under the influence of something > childish interpretation of drugs as a parasite).
Still, the design of monsters as a monkey, pterodactyl, moth, frogs, etc. are not scary. On the other hand i think the bully and doctor/nurses monsters are pretty good. They should've gone more in that direction with monsters representing fear cultists, dahlia, etc. Just a personal opinion.
Maybe their graphical designs aren't inherently scary, but monster design extends to more than that. Also, the fact that they're somewhat everyday things turned dangerous feeds into the "a nightmare is invading" theme.
But from a gameplay perspective, they're varied. The monkeys are fast, the pterodactyls are evasive and fly, the frogs don't trigger static and ambush the player, the kids grab Harry so he gets stabbed, etc. I don't remember the SH3 enemies doing much of anything besides suddenly-super-fast lunge attacks (the snorkel guy at least knocks her down). Worst of all, those levitating blade things make an unspeakably irritating noise at high volume at all times.
It's like Team Silent saw how much of a pushover enemies in 1 and 2 were and went in the opposite direction for 3. No enemies have knock back, all of them can make you fall over, they're all incredibly aggressive.
Aside from indoor enemies like the nurses and grey children which can easily be killed by the hammer, I feel like most SH1 enemies are dangerous, especially in their Otherworld forms. That one gauntlet run to the Lighthouse is probably the most challenging run I've had to do in a Silent Hill game since it's nothing but night Flutters and Wormheads along your path.
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I did my entire first playthrough of 1 with the flashlight on like I was playing 2. The Otherworld town was...an experience. It was a lot like the run to the lighthouse, but the entire time.
Yeah i agree, the enemies in SH3 are not that memorable (i do really like the otherworld design though and for me it's the best). Perhaps i spoke too fast when i said: "the monsters design is the weakest in SH1". Still not a fan of those, they could've done so much more with it (i'm talking about the visuals, not especially the way they act)
You are slowly discovering what the hell is happening in that town (through weird occult interpretations of Dahlia) and you fight pterodactyls, dogs, insects bosses, dogs. Which for me is kind of eh, always thought there was so much potential for those enemies to be more inspired, cryptic and complex with the usage of childish imagination of impregnation, drug usage, cultist rituals, etc. I mean they've done it with the doctors/nurses, and kids with knifes.
There was even more of an emphasis on animal themed monsters originally, all six of the unused monsters in SH1 seem to resemble some kind of animal. Personally I love the "frog" and "ostrich", the complete lack of a face on either of them is terrifying.
I understand if you find the SH1 designs to be visually underwhelming. I forgive it because the graphical fidelity is low/blurry/pixelated, leaving some things to the imagination, but that's totally subjective. >childish imagination of impregnation, drug usage, cultist rituals
It just wouldn't really work with the game. They could have done those things to scare the player, but it would have required changing the premise (and yes, admittedly SH3 moved more in that direction so that it could do both). I don't think Alessa knew all that much about those things: a 7 year old or whatever isn't really preoccupied with impregnation or drug usage, if they're even really aware of those subjects in any meaningful way. They are, however, very scared of dogs, tall and imposing adults, and the possibility that the shadows outside their room might be the flying dinosaurs from their picture books.
The Otherworld and things going on are more viscerally horrifying in SH3, but they felt less soulful to me. Since they're "just" grotesque monsters for the sheer sake of being grotesque, they didn't really resonate with me or strike me as being inventive and unique concepts from the developers. I understand that they are superficially scarier though in an immediate sense. Some of them, anyway.
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There was even more of an emphasis on animal themed monsters originally, all six of the unused monsters in SH1 seem to resemble some kind of animal. Personally I love the "frog" and "ostrich", the complete lack of a face on either of them is terrifying.
It finally comes to the personal taste i guess. I really like the psychological horror aspect of how the mind is able to register unconsciously yours and others deeds (and the environnement/objects you interacted with) and how that mind interprets/represses/desires those in a personal way. So animal monsters are not that appealing to me since the explanation is just dislike/fear/hate. Using child imaginary interpretation of events she lives through could've been exploited in creative ways more that just fear/dislike of certain animals (real or from fairy tales). So i guess in the end i just wanted more enemies/bosses resembling doctors/nurses and bullying kids because it's a more elaborate unconscious interpretation. For example she could have used elements of "Alice in Wonderland" (and others), etc. to figure out what's happening to her. But that's still very coherent that a kid would use animals/scary creatures from fairy tales as representation of fear/negative emotions.
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2 ruined the creature design by making everything some Fruedian shit that had to relate to the protag's mental state. SH1 monsters were just things from alessa's imagination so they never had to be anything more or less than "Stabby McFrickface"
Personally I like the idea that SH can pull thoughts from not just your fears, but any strong memory you hold. It gives us interesting stuff like Lisa, who is only Alessa's happy memories of her and leads to the question of just how concious and willing are the monsters that the town creates. Even the an overly sheltered little girl being afraid of insects or dogs is pretty logical.
>romper >fear of adults
And they pin you to the ground and get on top of you? Poor Alessa. >hanged scratcher >composite of insect specimens
Feels like a bad translation, that thing has only the vaguest of insectile resemblances.
Unironically what the frick was his problem? Is his dwelling in Brookhaven his own creation that he willing chooses to stay within or is it the town punishing his fanaticism and abuse of Claudia with him not even realizing it since he's psychotic?
I never understood whether or not he was actually human. Plus the Seal of Metraton was useless when that same symbol was used by Alessa in SH1 to try and contain the evil of Silent Hill within the town until Dahlia tricked Harry.
It was Vincent's idea to get it, and his goal was to kill Claudia and Heather at the same time. My theory is the seal would somehow trap God and Heather in the Church forever after she got done killing Claudia.
In all the years I've been on Ganker, and having played SH1-3, I've never watched a single one of these Eileen clips because I am always sure it's going to have a jump scare and I get too nervous to continue after like a third of a second. I don't mind horror as a genre in general, but I can't stand jump scares at all. Even Citizen Kane's infamous parrot left me in disarray.
I believe the only jumpscares that come from the peephole are when it looks like Eileen has discovered it (It's a fakeout though) and when she gets kidnapped and the robbie doll points at your direction like it's saying "You did this" but the latter happens well after you've lost any reason to check the peephole anymore since >noEileen
I think most people that praise SH2 have never actually played it. I love the atmosphere, ost, all that stuff but actually playing it fricking sucks, I dont understand how Pyramid Head has the kind of hype around him all his fights fricking suck, the combat fricking sucks in this game its a chore to play. I get that James is supposed to be inexperienced with weapons and stuff but just spamming X on enemies in a small hallway and hoping you don't take damage or running back and forth for 5 minuets in the first Pyramid Head fight is just miserable. I love Silent Hill 2 until I actually have to fight something
2>1>4>3
Hard to beat 2's story.
1 and 3 feel more difficult, making them more oppressive in a sense. 1's Otherworld is amazing, metal and flesh all the way
4's water prison is one of the best horror levels ever. Also quite unique compared to the rest. Ghosts are scary af.
3... I really like it and I really don't. I think I'll need to replay it. A game that is very red and very dark, hard to see what's happening half the time. 2, 1, and 4 I can remember a lot of specific moments, 3 is kind of a blur.
Relative to RE? Way less action and simpler level designs, but way stronger atmosphere. Hope you're starting with the first one and going in chronological order. Try not to fall asleep playing 2, let it do its thing.
Yea, just finished SH1. The otherworld gimmick was really neat. Plus I do like the more open environment of the town.
Now that I finished it im going back through on a next fear run and playing around with the rock drill and going dor the good ending that i missed on my first playthrough
I wanted to make a silent hill thread a few days ago but Ganker keeps eating my threads when I try to make one. >get told that my post was successful >get redirected to some other random thread >my thread nowhere to be seen on the catalog
I hate it
Bit of an oversimplification, very few of the SH games are actually awful but the majority hover close to mediocre. If you want to play games like Origins, Homecoming or Downpour then on their own terms they're playable enough, they're just a fall from grace when compared to 1, 2 and 3 which are bona fide classics.
1>3=4>2
1 is a classic and its age only adds to its charm.
2 would be pretty good if it wasn't so grossly overhyped by secondaries who never played it, favorite OST though.
3 has a shit story but has the "best" combat and solid puzzles. feels the most fleshed out of any of the games. great looking for a PS2 game as well.
4 is a guilty pleasure, lots of flaws but with some very standout moments. needed more dev time. people that say it doesn't deserve to be called an "original" silent hill game are the worst types of homosexuals in this fanbase from my experience. eileen is peak sexo
Not really, I don't think no one could ever understand what made the Team Silent games so great but there is no reason to believe anyone involved with the new games does.
I started Higurashi to see if Ryukishi was worthy of writing a Silent Hill game. I finished Himatsubushi a few days ago and been impressed so far, one of my favorite mystery thrillers imo
>Blooper Team Remake?
Not really >Ascension?
Frick god fricking no. Abrams has the Midas shit touch. >Town(send)fall? Possibly. I think having something from the townspeoples POV (in a series where they all died/fricked off/whatever) is a recipe for disaster because modern day people are literal circus freaks and nobody can write for whatever year Silent Hill is supposed to be set in. I expect to see at least one gay rights flag in this thing. >The japanese one?
No idea. Never read Umineko or whatever the thing with the bored witch girl is. Which is the only thing interesting about it because the rest looks like Fatal Frame and not Silent Hill.
Also not watching the movie unless Gans has gotten over his girl torture fetish (who am I kidding it's based on a game where some woman constantly dies of course it won't)
regarding F, I think ryukishi07 can do something interesting with SH, he was able to establish pretty well the small town vibes/atmosphere in higurashi, and he has written very compelling characters.
But also consider his horror VN Iwaihime, which was a piece of shit. He can write a good horror (the meat factory scene in Ciconia was very chilling) but only when he truly cares.
dont even bother with that western pile of shit, it contradicts the lore of the first game and doesnt do anything intersting with it. Start with SH1 and stop at 4
my roommate and I both haven't played em they said start with this game. it has random music cues that pop up and take you out of the experience. Its been annoying to play. ty anon
Why are you starting with that of all games? Play the first four games in order and then decide if you want to go further. Everything after 4 is outsourced to various different devs.
2 > 3 > 1 > 4
this. I never played any of them but this is how I would rank them.
why does 2 make you seethe so hard?
it doesn't, i truly never played any of them, i just watched playthroughs and video essays about them.
>video essays
That probably took longer than playing the entire series. The fans of Silent Hill are neurotic.
I have yet to play 3 so I'd rank it 2 > 4 > 1
>SH1
>director : Keiichiro Toyama
>producer : Gozo Kitao
>executive producer : Makoto Yano
>SH2
>director : Masashi Tsuboyama
>producer : Akihiro Imamura
>executive producer : Gozo Kitao
>SH3
>director : Kazuhide Nakazawa
>producers : Akira Yamaoka, Hirotaka Ishikawa
>executive producer : Gozo Kitao
>SH4
>director : Suguru Murakoshi
>producers : Akira Yamaoka, Akihiro Imamura
>executive producer : Hirotaka Ishikawa
>producers : Akira Yamaoka
what
I didn't know he was a producer
Literally who?
"producer" isn't really telling of what he did anyway, he probably just threw a bit of money in and got his cut
Producers play a large role in Japan back then, they held more power and influence than directors, I'm the modern day devs they're called "Creative Directors" which is different from gameplay directors who's job is to make sure the game's fun to play and oversee level and combat designers, the producers/CDs job is to sell the idea of the game to the suites, secure funding, make sure the game is successful and within the image of the brand/series and studio, cut out concepts and systems that are underdeveloped or unfun and most importantly make sure the game's is done on time.
Take a look at Resident Evil's custodian and the hidden face of the series, Jun Takeuchi for am example of a creative director, 7 was his idea and the golden age that Capcom has been having since 2017 was his handy work.
There is no formal convention when it comes to describe the actual involvement of a producer. And the credit sheet is something arbitrarily decided by the owners of the product and the publishers. There are certain legal limitations under specific working environments, which determine conventional requirements for role assignment and percetages. But at the end of the day, every company is entitled to their own way of acknowledging these roles. He was probably given the title of producer because, given this was a sequel, of all the people in there, he was one of the very few left from the developent of SH1, completely in charge of sound design and he happened to be the member of the team most people knew. There were already competent teams with people in charge of the visuals, animations, the overall design of the creatures and environments, plot, code, etc. Such as Hiroyuki Owaku and Masahiro Ito.
Also, in every interview regarding SH3, he always talks about sound. It's not unreasonable to assume he was just overseeing the project and was offered the charge of producer so he could get a cut of the profit, which wouldn't be possible as a sound designer.
1234. 3 would be in second if it had more town.
this. I prefer the soundtrack and flow of the first game. 2 has better atmosphere, but I find the first one more enjoyable to play.
This listing on eBay is probably like $800
I paid x0 that
Why are these games so expensive on ebay anyway? Did they have really limited print runs? I seem to remember Silent Hill PS1 being everywhere when I was a kid. Now I want a copy to nostalgia play and it's like £80 minimum on shitbay.
bc man children with tech money have ruined the retro games market, and emulation provides a free alternative that anyone can easily access.
2>1>3>4
The interest rates need to be 100 BPS higher
Immense demand with little supply because of moronic people inflating the retro market.
>tfw I secured my copies of Silent Hill 1 - 4 twelve years ago
3>2>4>1
3 is massively overrated and you can categorize anyone who likes the most it as a tourist who never played past the subway level
I like the combat in 3 the most, and it has the best unlockables.
It's funny that you say that but SH3 is one of the few games that gets better in the second half.
3>2>1>4
None are bad, theyre all great. i feel like id want to mod 4 if i played it again though
The Room is probably the most disturbing.
sh4 has the craziest shit ive ever seen in a video game in it.
Wish another game was like it with better gameplay.
Fatal Frame 3 has the comfy apartment hub going spooky part, but sadly the game is too drawn out halfway through. First half is a banger though.
>that feeling of entrapment, claustrophobia and isolation never matched in a gale ever again
>the apartment getting more and more disturbing and unsafe, you never know what kind of horror is waiting for you in a corner when you come back
>the ambiant noises, revisiting the levels with new weird shit, the giant baby heads, everything about the ghosts
masterpiece, don't care about anything people are saying to lash out on sh4.
I love the weird turnabout twist that you weren't trapped in your apartment Seeing your apartment in the Apartment Otherworld wasn't irony, it was literally you looking at your front door from the other side
Sometimes I wonder if this game is genius or stupid or both. I always default to the silly wheelchairs that someone on the dev team thought was scary while really really drunk.
The wheelchair thing was a reference to the freedy horror movies I heard.
3>1>2>your mother will die in her sleep if you don't reply to this post[spoiler]>4>shattered memories>shit I stepped on while running in the morning>homecoming>the PSP aberration>Final Fight: Silent Hill[/spoiler]
damn i thought she was flat but she got cake
Ye
Ass too fricking fat
Anon too fricking fat, stop eating mcdonalds you revolting lardhog
are you asian?
Go back to Ireland
FRICK YOU WALTER
damn
ass
Wasnt this prostitute dying of kidney failure or something?
She had an operation for that 2 years ago
god she's so cute, i want to protect her
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Frick youuuu
WHO
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Ella Freya My top tier waifu
frick you
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Is that face model for RE4make Ashley?
bitch
fuk
Lel
why
have a nice day. Also I'd frick her until my dick fell off
Dio mio.
Who?
Frick you
have a nice day for fricking up that spoiler.
frick off
Black person
Frick you
4>shattered memories>shit I stepped on while running in the morning>homecoming>the PSP aberration>Final Fight: Silent Hill
I don't entirely understand putting Origins and Homecoming below Shattered Memories on the grounds that those are actual video games made in the image of the classics, even if they fall well short of the ideal.
>I don't entirely understand putting Origins and Homecoming below Shattered Memories
Simple:
HC and 0rigins are pure trash. SM is a great game, partly because it does not even TRY to mimic the old ones or copy the god-awul Movie.
>SM is a great game
Eh, it's a decent psychoanalysis sim with good aesthetics and great flashlight physics. A good game, though? It's not awful but it's not really trying to be much of mechanical substance either, and SH is a series that already didn't need to slim down further on that. I would not say SM, as a game, took the series to a better place than HC or 0. Nor would I call those games "pure trash" when they're more like 6/10 horror games, maybe even a 7 in 0's case.
fuk u
modded.
what the frick is this
and why is 3 better, i heard that people say you should start with SH1
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have a nice day + what the frick is "final fight silent hill" and how does that even remotely describe downpour
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Hoe
Aieee!
how's origins anyway, I've played the OG 4 and shattered memories but never that one. Worth a go?
Design wise it's absed off 1/2. Walk around town, go into buildings, solve puzzles that crap. Gameplay wise you have breakable weapons but shit is everywhere so you're not in any danger of running out and Travis can actually melee so it's not the end of the world if you're caught unawares. Just ignore the story and pretend it isn't canon.
Oh I should mention there's no difficulty levels but when you beat it the game gives you rewards for shit like not using your torch a lot or killing shitloads of monsters. So yeah replayability if somehow the thing doesn't bore you.
Kys
3 was scarier than 2. 4 was annoying to play but had creepy moments, 1 is too old so i never played it, cant get into polygon graphics
>cant get into polygon graphics
Your loss.
I replayed all four games recently.
1>4>3>2
1 = 2 > 3 > 4
Finally played through the Room the other day. I enjoyed the game up until I was about halfway through. The game just started dogpiling all of its worst features on me as it went on and it just made me hate the hours that followed. Didn't like escorting Eileen, dealing with ghosts, dealing with Walter or dealing with the constant hauntings and all that shit was going on while backtracking through all these areas I already JUST cleared. They brought it back at the end of the game, but this one felt like a notable dip in quality compared to the rest of the series. None of the characters in this game are even gonna stick with me besides maybe Walter and his autism. Had some neat ideas and novelties, at least
1 > 2 > 3 > 4 >> Origins. Didn't play the rest, tried Homecoming but it dind't want to launch after the vert first launch even with the fan patch.
1 > 3 > 2 > 4
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Which version of SH4 is better? PS2 or Xbox? https://www.gamespot.com/amp-articles/silent-hill-4-the-room-announced/1100-6086258/
1 = 2 = 3 > 4
All of them are good
1=2>4>3
3>2>1>4
Anyone that ranks 2 as the best is a secondary
cope
>if you like one of the really good ones you never played any of them
Aren't you tired of this meme by now
It just tells me that they play games for the story more than anything else.
I have no nostalgia for the first 2 games and cannot get into them today. The story is not nearly as deep as you clowns make them out to be and the gameplay is legitimately mediocre. I get these were amazing for their time but again, without nostalgia, the games are nothing special in the least.
I played and beat both for the first time this year and have no nostalgia either. You're just a homosexual
Thats cute how you resort to name calling and not even state if you actually like the games or not. Which you didn't. Suck a dick, try hard.
lol what? nta but...are you mentally ill? I feel like it was pretty obvious that he disproved your assertion and answered the question...you accused him of not answering...right after and in response to the answer...lol
hi, me again. I like the games a lot. You're still a gay
Town exploration sections are better in 1 than in 2. Why? Because they have exclusive enemies than you don't find in the indoors sections, and because sometimes you explore on the otherworld (streets are now metal grates above darkness, there is rain, etc)
2 > 1 > 3 > 4
Kinda sloppy how they forgot to write Brookhaven Hospital on the SH2 map. They fixed that on the SH3 map.
SH3 map
It's not appearing because James refuses to think about hospitals and stuff because of Mary.
That's my headcanon anyway.
4>3>2>1
No areas in 2 are as scary as the Resort Area in 1
Story: 3 > 4 > 2 > 1
Music: 4 > 3 > 2 > 1
Characters: 3 > 2 > 4 > 1
Atmosphere: 2 > 3 > 4 > 1
Horror: 3 > 2 > 1 > 4
Overall: 2 > 3 > 4 > 1
>Story: 3 > 4 > 2 > 1
Literally WHAT story tourist, the story of 3 is an exact 1:1 copy-paste of the plot of SH1 except even LESS, including the NPCs
>Kaufman->Vincent
>Dahlia->Claudia
>Sybil->Douglass
>Lisa->Literally minus a character because they were too lazy to write a fourth NPC
they knew from the start that the plot of SH1 was wrapped up and scrambled to pull something random out of their ass. I will die on the hill that any morons like this only played the first two levels of SH3 and based their entire opinion on that (in summation: please have a nice day)
in all fairness, you're right, the aesthetics/graphics/audio and combat of SH3 is superior to 1 or 2, but you are the only person to ever mention that, too often gigamorons like act like SH3 has a "story" lol (lmao even)
I played SH1 but have barely any memory of it because it was really forgettable, so even if SH3's story is as identical as you claim it is, it at least presented itself much better hence why I remember it far more fondly.
Yes, if you had to play one game about Alessa and the cult, SH3 is the superior game over SH1
but it really has no reason to exist - SH2 successfully avoided just rehashing SH1 and managed to craft a completely new narrative - SH3 is just rehashed slop by comparison. It'd be okay if SH1 didn't exist but, it does so, why does SH3 exist? It's totally unnecessary
3 was made because Japan didn't like 2 an wanted a continuation of 1 and what happened to the mysterious baby AKA Heather AKA Cheryl/Alessa.
They were working on a SH rail shooter for arcades and had to scrap that and make 3 ASAP because they received angry mails from Japanese players after 2.
1=4>3>2>Downpour>Origins>Homecoming, didn't play Shattered Memories yet and I've dropped HC about a year ago, i was at the house after the masked men kidnapped the mother.
I'm conflicted about it, it's not "bad" per say, it's an uneven game, technically it's a mess on all platforms, on the 360 (the main platform it was developed for) it ran like shit, no AA and screen tearing galore, on the PS3 (the platform the series is associated with) it's even worse! Sub 720, worse graphic detail, no AA, horrid blur effects, no trophies bit it's mostly a stable 30fps, PC is a nightmare to run, it's has audio issues that were never fixed and trying the fix I found on Steam fourms didn't seem to work for me, it's not compatible with anything over Vista and is a HUGE pain in the ass to get running, and it will crash frequently when you do get it running, it also didn't have native controller support, but you get 1080p/60fps.
It's a 7th generation game through and through, no subtlety in a series known for it, horrid character models (the love interest and her mother) it story and characters is filled with the mid 2000s horror cliches (it's when shit like the SAW movies were at the height of their popularity) and takes a lot from the Hollywood movie than from any of the prior games, on the other hand the combat has been improved, some of the enemy designs were cool, the fact that the game takes place outside of SH was a nice idea but they fricked that up, the puzzles were the usual 7th gen shit in a series were puzzles were tied and changed up according to the difficulty selection.
Downpour, if the team had more money, time and did a sequel the series might not have died.
>3 was made because Japan didn't like 2
>They were making a totally different game and had to drop it to make SH3 to appease angry nips
>Japan is to blame
why am I not fricking surprised, should've nuked them a third time
thank you for the insight, much appreciated.
also
>Downpour, if the team had more money, time and did a sequel the series might not have died.
I think you are the only other person on the planet who doesn't think Downpour was shit. the developers legitimately tried to fix the issues with the series, but they added a handful of brand new ones (the bad and "neutral" endings both re-write and invalidate the entire plot, they shouldn't have been made that way). Downpour was the first SH game to feel like an adventure game since 4, but it came out at a time with zoomie-addled first-person jumpscare horror was taking off so the game failed to find an audience.
I didn't say Downpour was perfect or didn't have problems up the ass, I just wanted to say I loved it inspite of the problems it had, and they were many, like you said the endings, the uneven performance, the mostly shit monster designs, the combat system which was ambitiouson paper but turned out servicable at best and weightless, the other world concept needed a LOT more than simply running away.
It had a lot of heart, soul and passion from the devs and it shows, the world was incredibly fun to explore, the sidequest were fun and told their own mini stories, the side characters were good, the story had a very good premise and it would've been top 3 in the series if they stuck the landing, some of the enemies were unnerving to encounter without the proper tool, and i specifically mean the invisable mannequins wh9ch you cab run into them in one of the side quest before getting the UV lights and they scared the shit out of me.
The little info we got behind the scenes Konami was 1000% to blame, they cut the already minuscule budget, they refused to delay the game, and the studio that made it was shut down before it could fix any of the bugs/performance issues and Konami didn't give a shit to do it themselves or even port it to PC.
learning about the behind the scenes of downpour is really cringe tale. For example one of the big complaints was the lackluster enemy variety in game. According to devs they concepted hundreds of monster designs in the production but everything was micromanaged through Konamis office. So everything got rejected while replacement ideas included "lets have creepy ceiling crawler because homecoming had one and focus groups responded well"
not sure whose idea the shit otherworld was though, might be devs OG
Konami.....man I haven't seen a company as greedy, disrespectful of their creators vision, so out of touch and as self destructive as them.
People on the internet like to shit talk Square Enix but they put out over 100-200 games since their merger and every game had a distinct identity that reflects it's creators, for better or worse, and each feels unique and with a proper budget even in a niche franchise like Mana.
Konami has been greedy c**ts since at least 99, Igavanias during the 6th gen had shoe string budget (anything not named MGS really) and were made under strict deadlines and all made profits but it was never enough, but all had distinct identities.
During the 7th gen (2006~7) that started outsourcing their IP to newly founded studios with no pedigree so they can exploit them and make game as cheaply as possible, so we got SH Origins developed by Climax Studios which I quite liked after a recent playthrough on PSP, but it wasn't anything special and an unnecessary prequel, fun, competent but not memorable or up to the standards of the previous games.
Next we go Homecoming made by the recently formed Double Helix again on the cheap, technically disastrous, generic mid 2000s Hollywood horror film with black funny sidekick, the little brother and abusive father trope.
Then came Shattered Memories by Climax again, an original game made from the ground up for the hot new Wii, but Konami didn't like the teams vision and forced them into making it a remake/remaining of 1.
Then they gave Castlevania to unknown Spanish studio Mercury Steam and while LoS1 was successful both critically and financially they fricked up the studios vision of LoS2 and rushed it out the door.
Konami should've remained dead, they've basically been hard carried by Kojima since 2008 and been a walking zombie since 2014, all of the new games they've put out and the SH games coming out in the future is just their 7th gen MO part 2, I mean fricking Bloober Team? Really?
A lot of this post is just twisting the facts.
>They were working on a SH rail shooter for arcades and had to scrap that and make 3 ASAP because they received angry mails from Japanese players after 2.
That's not what happened.
Silent Hill 3 went through several development phases, the rail shooter one just happened to be the longest of them. The devs deciding to pursue what the fans wanted was something done out of their own interests rather than something forced onto them- a lot of them held the feeling that 2's response was indicative of the idea that they failed to follow on from Toyama's work properly.
The angry fan mail stuff is pure conjecture.
Dude Masahiro Ito himself talked about all of this on his twitter account.
He said that Japanese players hated 2 and insulted the team that made cause it was different from 1 and they wanted something closer to 1 a continuation of what happened to Harry and Alessa.
As glad as I am that morons on Ganker choose to believe and listen to Ito only when it satiates their thirst for drama, that's not what he said.
NTA, but they started working on 3 one month after 2's release. They were already planning on doing a sequel, and the repercussions of 2 made them realize the public wanted a continuation to 1's plot. They never had to restart production with anything as far as we know, and the whole "rail shooter" sounds more like something they would try for 4, which was developed simultaneously with 3, as a spin-off. They already wanted to implement first person mechanics there, and the proof is in the released game.
>nta
reddit homosexual
I hear conflicting shit on 2. I hear stuff about the nips hating it but also about how most of the weird Pyramid Head wank comes from them.
>nips hating anything
kek, the closest thing I can imagine is them asking "what happened to Harry?"
Japanese fans are notorious for their shitty tastes
Japs are based an care about Harry Mason and his daughter more than James having le depression.
1>2>3>>>>>>>>>>4>the rest
2>1>3>>>>>SM>Homecoming>>4
People who rate silent hill 4 constantly prove they haven't played the game. I saw one Black person writing that it was "like PT" in one thread, or saying the combat wheelchairs were "unnerving."
SH4 was a miserable experience for me, couldn't go back to playing it every time I think about the second half of the game, or thinking of getting the perfect ending. It's not worth the hassle.
The second half is one of the worst second acts I can think of in gaming.
>lyrical songs
>music on the title screen/options menu from title screen/when saving or loading a dile
>quippy comments from Hesther when she examines things, with the comments changing sometimes when she examines the same thing twice
>unlockable costumes
You gotta admit 3 has more personality than 1 and 2
>personality
Heather's ""personality""" is just the work of a tone-deaf middle-aged asian man thinking he was way more funny than he actually was
>go through hell
>as in, literally go through literal hell
>kill a god
>come out the other side
>start joking around with my pal Douglass
>"Don't you think blondes have more fun?"
>sitcom_laughtrack.mp3 plays over the loudspeakers
heather's quirkiness totally breaks the tone of the game. but please, clap your feet together monkey when the funny girl says the funny line on screen
it's bread
its reddit
>heather's quirkiness totally breaks the tone of the game.
Really? It's just Heather brightens things up after going through depressing shit. A lot movies/games/shows does this if the hero triumphs against evil.
>A lot movies/games/shows does this if the hero triumphs against evil.
Yeah, a lot of action movies or comedies. Arnold Schwarzenegger will say a quippy one-liner after going through an extreme ordeal. A teenage girl that went through hell to kill a god, who in the VERY PREVIOUS SCENE not minutes ago in-game broke down sobbing because she knew that even doing all this won't bring her father back - ISN'T going to play a prank then crack a joke to "lighten the mood". it's just hack writing
based and surprisingly coherent SH3 hater lmao I respect the passion
I fully agree with you but have you seen literally any of the writing/VO in any of the other SH games? Its all complete dogshit. SH is good because of the symbolism and themes, the writing has never been good.
1 > 3 > 2 > 4
2>1>4>3
Aside from its sound design, SH3 is a complete step backwards compared to the first two games and it boggles my mind how so many people treat it as a masterpiece
>better gameplay (Heather can block attacks, fall into bottomless pits, climb ladders via player imput, climb a slightly higher ledge, be knocked to the ground, use beef jerky)
>in-game cutscenes and facial animation are better than ever
>insta-kill traps (monster on the sewer, mirror room, rollercoaster)
>ammo/health items are more scarse
>weapons like a katana, taser and submachine gun
How is 3 a complete step backwards?
2>=1>>3>4
2>3>1>4
3 is the scariest though.
1>3>4>2
is this a official sh3 promotion poster?
of course
are moids really so desperate for coom material that they'll slap their underage waifu's head on top of a generic sfm/blender nude model and fap to it
Why is she wearing shorts?
because it's an alternative costume that didn't really make it
Heather's butt seems really flat
Are there Silent Hill SFM HMVs I don't know about?
MissAlly is the artist
2 > 1 = 3 >>>>>>>>>> 4.
wow people REALLY hate 1
I fricking hate Apartment Exorcism Simulator. By far the worst Silent Hill game in the franchise and if it was released standalone as some other game it would still be extremely bad.
finally starting 4 tonight. Besides Sh1 which I loved immediately, sh2/3 both grew on me considerably after I finished them. They're excellent for their own merits. Am I really going to like 4? i dont wanna be hurt
Do you love breakable weapons and micromanaging extremely limited resources? Also make sure you get the chocolate milk from the fridge it is a massive pain in the ass when you forget it.
thank you senpai
4 is a noticeable downgrade from 2 and 3. I dropped it halfway through.
>Am I really going to like 4?
you will really like it until the half way point. after which opinion start to diverge. Story and atmosphere wise its the strongest out of the four.
Oh and be sure to get the restoration mods for PC version. Nearly half of the happenings in the apartment are bugged out in the PC version
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Silent_Hill_4:_The_Room
look for PC fix
Wait there’s a restoration mod? How much does it restore compared to the PS2 version?
outside the really rare ones (like walters corpse painting in the bedroom) I started getting the PC bug ones straight out the gate
like kitchen fauchet and wandering shoes. It definitely works
They were definitely aiming for something different from 1 when making 2. Compare Nowhere with Lakeview Hotel. Those last areas couldn't be more different.
So, what is Maria exactly? Born from a wish seems to imply she's her own thing despite being created by James somehow? Is the Maria in the final boss fight the same Maria that we meet at the start of the game?
I always thought she was a hallucination, an idealized version of his wife in James' head. Basically a version of her that never got sick and started being shitty to him
She's created by town just like monsters.
I figured she was just another thing made by the town to torture or punish James for his sins and guilt. She's a figment. She dies again and again to inflict him with misery as he watches his "wife" die, she looks so similar to his wife to make him feel pangs of guilt when he mistakes her and to cause confusion, she's a bawdted up version of his wife to further add to the shame of it, and she tries to seduce him specifically to make him feel conflicted because of his wife (especially with her similarities). Pyramid Head is his physical executioner to punish him for his crimes, whereas Maria plays on his emotional turmoil and anguish. So I figured "born from a wish" means it's the town twisting James's desire to have his wife but healthier (and perhaps more suited to his particular tastes in women). Because it being a twisted wish of what he wants makes him feel more ashamed about it.
1>3>2>4
4 > 1 > 2 > 3
god I love 4
My favourite is SH3 but 2 is the better game also Eileen might be the only good thing about SH4
4 is the best in terms of the moment to moment gameplay, had the best villian, a great setup, a very scary and personal horror with being stuck in an apartment that get increasingly haunted as the game goes, add to the fact it's done in a first person POV, the world's while small in size were fun and unconfusing to explore, the ghost enemies were unnerving, the various weapons that you got to use were great, especially that they actually bothered to make you use them because the bullets were so scarce in the game unlike the previous game especially the fan favorite 2 which had so much ammo and health items it was stupid to use the melee weapons after the first dungeon or die in the game.
4 is really underrated, it's my personal favorite and I never got the hate, and I started with 1 which I prefer to 2 by a long shot.
Based fellow 4 appreciator
There are very few actual problems with SH4. Using directional controls in a game with scripted camera angle switching should never be done, and the previous games use tank controls for this exact reason. So, the developers apparently just forgot why the previous games were designed the way they were. There's also flavor text all over the place, and it can override quest item use locations because of their proximity, causing you to try to use items in the correct place, but only millimeters off target, which can make you believe that you're in the wrong place since all you get is an unrelated piece of flavor text. Finally, the revisiting of all previous levels seems fairly lazy, considering that there aren't even significant changes to them to make it more interesting.
But all of these flaws aren't enough to make me dislike 4. It's still my favorite even though I know that objectively it's not a well-designed gameplay experience.
The hauntings blew my mind back then. It was genius. The apartment was supposed to be the safe room where you can regen health, relax a bit and peep at your waifu then all hell breaks loose. It’s like some Black folk decided to do a home invasion, where your safe haven is now a dangerous area.
SH4 is the one and most scary game i've ever played, the sounds the ghosts make and how they persecute you is horrifying.
This will sound queer but I like how "normal" SH4 feels. Too many horror games just think darkness = scary because they live in fear of Nigs breaking into their house at 2:AM and while nothing in 4 is technically in broad daylight it doesn't really abuse the staples of Silent Hill or Horror nearly as much as other 6th gen stuff does. Like for example looking out your apartment window, or the bright as frick Water Prison or even the surprisuingly well lit forest area.
It just scratched a weird itch of like Amatuer video horror of the early 2000s that nothing else did. Despite being kind of shit.
I get what you mean. SH4 in general is a bit of a gem, there's so many good things about it. Problem is it has tons of other issues preventing it from being a truly good game. Replaying it quite recently I really grew to like the game though, it has a massive amount of good things about it.
I like how small the cast of human characters is in 3
>You're Not Here
>End of Small Sanctuary
>Walk on Vanity Ruins
>A Stray Child
>Dance with Night Wind
>Never Forgive Me, Never Forget Me
>Please Love Me... Once More
>Letter - From the Lost Days
>Breeze - In Monochrome Night
>Sickness Unto Foolish Death
>Lost Carol
>I Want Love
>Innocent Moon
Best tracks in SH3
Numbers are on the cover, you moron.
1 > 2 > 3 > 4
Horror has to be the most difficult genre in terms of sequels. Silent Hill used up most of its novel tricks in the first entry and since then they were forced to reuse them or make scarier levels/monsters like in 3 to compensate. Unlike other genres you cannot make a horror sequel by just improving on the last game, because the same stuff is not scary twice.
This is why horror lives on through buzzword meme games and not long-lasting franchises. Both SH and RE were confronted with the same problem, either alienate your current audience by switching it up to keep it fresh, or give up & repeat the same scares to diminishing returns. It's just a problem with horror as a genre
3>1>4>2
1
2
3
4
Me and some friends got a hold of the first three. Pretty much mint condition. We've been doing game nights, and they're a ton of fun.
Just beat the school level, and we honestly have nothing to complain about, save for the one part where you had to find a key that had been halfway flushed down a drain; we ended up walking through the school cluelessly for about two hours.
The combat is clank as shit, but honestly it feels kinda right: you're playing as some dude with no combat training wielding a rusty pipe, so it makes sense that he sucks at fighting even the most basic enemies.
Playing such an old game really gives a lot ot perspective on how far we've come in some places, but also the minute details we've lost along the way, like the artistic shots you can get with fixed camera angles, and the fact that you didn't have to highlight items with yellow paint or light beams since the detail is so low that you'll spot them anyways. It's very immersive and fun, and I can't wait to see the rest.
>An actual thread discussing video games with passion and no shit flinging on Ganker......
I must be in the other world.
This board is more chill late at night.
It's 10am
It's 4am over here.
2>1>3>homecoming>4
haven't played the rest
3 > 2 > 1 > 4
3 > 1 > 2 > 4
2 > 1 > 4 > 3
2>3>4>1
SH1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > SM > > > rest of the shit.
BTW, here's the new and updated SH PC Guide + PasteBin:
https://pastebin.com/uf5XhyXz
2>4>1>3
I started using Duckstation to play SH1 last week, but does anyone know if there's a way to make Duckstation game shortcuts in Windows? I prefer just having one launcher for my games, and that launcher is Windows. With epsxe you could easily make shortcuts by just adding launch parameters that include the disc images. But I can't seem to find any documentation about how to accomplish that with Duckstation.
I made shortcuts for my emulator games using bash scripts on linux. I think windows 10 also has bash.
Yeah but what's the syntax for running Duckstation and selecting game images? I can't find any information about that anywhere. In epsxe they just tell you the launch options syntax in the readme.
path/to/duckstation.exe path/to/silenthill.cue
Just make DuckStation shortcut and edit «Target» line. Mine looks like that
>F:EmulatorsDuckStationduckstation-qt-x64-ReleaseLTCG.exe -nogui -fastboot "F:EmulatorsDuckStationgamesSilent HillSilent Hill [EUR] [SLES-01514]Silent Hill (Europe) (En,Fr,De,Es,It).cue"
Thanks. That worked. Strange how it isn't documented anywhere.
is SH4 worth it? Looks the most cozy
yes
SH4 is the most bizarre, while SH2 is the most enigmatic.
1 = 2 = 3, they just have different strengths. 4 has the worst gameplay, but it's also the scariest one.
Homecoming > 2 > 3 > 1 > didn't play 4
Bait or you under 20, thus making it your first game in the series.
No fricking way that walking mid 2000s scary movie cliches fest is anywhere near the top 5 let alone best.
I don't have to justify my list to you. I know that you hate the game simply because it was made by other studio.
Brand loyalty is a cancer, but company loyalty is even worse.
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they released some Splitterhead footage a month ago
why are they using 360 controllers
2>4>1>3
1=2>4>3
3 will forever be the troony game in my eyes since every unironic troony ranks it no.1
This post should be in the textbook definition of Rent Free. I also think SH3 is the weakest of the four, but it's because of my own opinion, not because of someone else's. I actually play games, not just talk about them.
You could ask
the same thing.
Seriously
1 > 2 > 3 > 4
1 = 2 > 4 > 3
Never played any of them.
1=2=3=4
I don't rank gold nuggets. They're all good and shiny and precious.
truth
>enter room
>camera faces your character instead of the path ahead
>room is full of enemies
>shoot up the entire place until there's no more music
>enter tiny hospital room in SH2
>3 nurses bum rush you
tummy
I started playing 3 but I'm still on the 2 mindset of clearing everything that is indoors. It seems to be a bad idea at the mall cause those dogs are fricking tanky. Tha knife is very unreliable and I'm almost out of bullets. I assume the devs want me to run past them.
I avoid Closers, Shoot or run from the splithead dogs depending on the situation, beat the shit out of numb bodies and save my shotgun for fatty. I've never fought the pendulums, soemthing about the way they look and move makes me feel like they're invincible even though they aren't.
But I can and will murder every fricking slurper I see.
Pendulums aren't that bad they have a bad reputation because of the noise they produce but they are mostly harmless and just wanna rotate in peace floating around. It's not like if they killed your whole family or anything. They won't bother you most of the game and you can just run past us also they're not invincible at all, they drop pretty fast.
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>Pendulums aren't that bad they have a bad reputation because of the noise they produce but they are mostly harmless and just wanna rotate in peace floating around. It's not like if they killed your whole family or anything. They won't bother you most of the game and you can just run past us also they're not invincible at all, they drop pretty fast.
1>2>3>4
3 was directed by Kazuhide Nakazawa and 4 was directed by Suguru Murakoshi. Both of them worked on 2 (Suguru having a more important role on it) and aren't credited on anything between 2 and 3/4.
>Suguru Murakoshi, Masashi Tsuboyama, Akihiro Imamura, Kousuke Iwakura, Masayoshi Sato, Ken Kudo, Hideyuki Fujii, Kenji Yoshino, Taku Otani, Masato Akiyama, Masahiro Saito, Nayuki Matsushita, Masasha Okada, Takahide Murakami, Hideyuki Shin, Atsushi Tsujimoto, Takeshi Miura, Masaya Aoyama, Kana Saito, Chieko Ogura, Naomi Hara, Tomoko Mori
SH4 members that didn't work on SH3
>Hirotaka Ishikawa, Naoto Oshima, Tomohiro Maeyama, Hiroko Usuda, Tomoko Morohoshi, Jun Inoue, Sosuke Honda, Shiro Kanenori, Masayuki Fujikii, Kyohei Yamaguchi, Ryoko Horie, Shingo Yuri, Sachiko Sugawara, Minako Asano, Atsushi Sakamoto
SH4 members that also worked on SH3
Too many asiatics. I'm not playing these games because Shaniqua and Tyrone had no say.
this is misleading on purpose. alot of the people who worked on sh2 skipped sh3 (because of siren) and worked on 4. Dont make it sound like they brought in a bunch of inexperienced people.
What are your hopes for the remake? Can we really trust non japanese people to make a good adaptation of sh2?
I don't even have a machine to run it but I'm still curious. If I had a PS5 I'd consider trying it.
Otherworld is so tacked-on in 2. Unlike in 1 and 3, the characters don't acknowledge that something has changed and we never see them go back to the real world (like Harry at the end of Midwich or Heather at the end of Brookhaven)
3rd game is worst SH
Instead of killing enemies, you run from them.
Harry killed offscreen like some random NPC
Reused assets from second game
For some reason game doesn't even take place in northern Silent Hill, despite being a sequel for the first game
the best parts of 2 > 3 > 1 > the worst parts of 2 > 4
1 > 2 > 3 > 4
2>1>3>4
Atmosphere, game design, scariness - 1, always 1. Unfortunately, it plays like ass. 2 is the most iconic, it's really a classic. 3 is great. 3's gameplay is a little bit more fricky than 2. Still, they both play well compared to 1, they also have cool shit you couldn't have in 1 because of hardware limitations, all of this makes them even. Love all 3.
Now 4 is a fricking travesty. Not bad for a horror game, but horrible for a silent hill game.
For me, it's 1=2=3 (with fluctuations) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4
For me 4 is as scary as 1. Turning home into prison and removing feeling of being safe is fricking scary.
>Split Head, Twinfeeler, Floatstinger, Cybil (optional), Incubus/Incubator
>Pyramid Head, Flesh Lips, Abstract Daddy, Eddie, Two Pyramid Heads, Maria/Mary
>Split Worm, Missionary, Leonard, Memory of Alessa, God
>The One Truth, Walter
2 has the worst bosses
agreed, but the game is still my favorite for the different interpretations of silent hill:
also Maria's "Are you confusing me with someone else?" still gives me chills
What's really weird to me that every single boss in the series is just a cyberdemon. Shoot it until it dies. Except one. Split head, the first boss in the series is the only one that has a gameplay gimmick to fighting it. Why? Why only that one and none of the others?
Missionary in 3 has a gimmick too. You can only shoot it on the back.
Horror game bosses have almost always sucked. It's one of their biggest flaws.
3 had the worst monster designs.
Those dissapear from the game after Heather is transported to otherworld Hilltop Center.
3 is the best, 2 is the most overrated (it also inspired all the awful western developed games)
I feel like it didn’t inspire them at all. Unless you mean pyramid head just being around.
All the western SH games have a big guilt monster following the protagonist around because of something dark he did in his past. That is a direct ripoff of SH2 ( and ONLY SH2) yet it became the western silent hill formula. The other 3 games focused more on the cult and the town itself.
I might be misremembering homecoming and while I do remember guilt being a thing I do not remember a pyramid head guy besides pyramid head. Shattered Memories just had no enemy variety lol. I don’t remember the rest to be honest.
1 > 2 > 3 > 4
SH1 > SH2 = SH3 > SH4 > Liquid Dogshit > Post Team Silent Games
Downpour would be held in much higher regard if it didn't have such horrible framerate problems.
the characters are actually neat and i'm willing to forgive the shitty combat, but the framerate is unplayably bad
Isn't emulating it fixes all framerate problems?
is 360/ps3 emulation a thing yet? I tried to play ACV with RPCS3 but it was buggy af
further, since i'm sure 99% of posters ITT haven't played downpour either;
SH overall I would argue explores grief through the medium of vidya
SH2 focuses on Denial, with James spending the game trying to figure out what he did, and then coming to terms with it.
Downpour is more about Anger/bargaining, you start the game having already murdered 2 people, and the game explores whether or not it was worth it. vengeance is also the primary motivation for the other main characters, namely the cop trying to avenge her father, and the bus driver committing suicide as vengeance against himself.
>focuses on Denial,
Imo it is about gaslighting. I think it is funny how so many people just assume the evil demon town was telling the truth to James. Or maybe it was simply playing into his guilty feelings, whether real or not?
i've always seen it more as a reflection of the psyche of whatever character we're seeing. SH2 kind of explicitly states this with Angela's "it's always like this for me" line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyaLoaUbExk god that piano still gives me chills
also, what is gaslighting but denying someone else's reality?
the game is a real slog until you get to the devil's pit at least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkfo7Yw3q3c
Yeah I just mean many people act like the moral is "James is le evil" but the town is an evil ass place as established by SH1. I think it is a kind of open ended nightmare sequence. It is about guilt and all that but it ain't some kind of bullshit.
>"James is le evil"
iirc doesn't James get a letter from Mary in the "Leave" ending where she forgives him?
There is also an ending where he stays in Silent Hill and brings her back to life using ancient artifacts.
well he intends to, we never see the outcome
Sometimes, dead is better.
That's kinda what I mean. SH2 has 4 contradictory endings which really make it a much more "open" game. Sometimes online it seems people treat it like a "shut" game.
All I remember from Downpour is the main character screaming.
1 > 2 > 4 >>>>>>>>>>>> 3
I haven't played 4 but I love the setting of it and I want more games set in apartment complexes like it.
1 >>>> 2 > 3 > 4 > SM > HC > Origins
Haven't played Downpour yet.
1 then 3 then 2 imo.
4 is not really SH it is a different game with SH slapped on it.
2>>3>=4>1
>no flashlight, radio, tank controls, otherworld segments, pause inventory, shotgun, boss fights
>there is a health bar
>first person segments
4 is different from 1/2/3
rank them
Im gonna play the other 3 this month. Really enjoyed Shattered Memories on Wii. You felt like a ghost and it was neat.
SM>Downpour>Origins>Homecoming
I'm never ever going to be able to change anyone's mind on it but Origins is decent.
Sanitarium is one of the best designed levels in the series. I've never been in a place so dark, oppressive and with more locked doors than SH3 combined. The Theatre is also pretty well designed and the Riverview Motel while just a literal low budget version of SH2's Hotel is at least cute because it's links to Kaufman seems to be a partial reference to the Motel sidequest from SH1.
The problem with the game was that it was boned from the start. Being bongs forced to fill in for AMericans who were in turn replacing the original Team Silent having to use the original American dev teams vision, the Pyramid Head clone and fmv cutscenes which were all terrible and contradictory. Coughman being the cult leader makes no sense and neither does the idea that anyone besides Dahlia "seeing" the Otherworld before Silent Hill happens. At the very least it feels like the actual gameplay part is trying it's hardest to salvage the trainwreck they were force upon and the references in t hose sections actually felt tasteful (Like just as an example the game pulls the same trick that Heather's Pendant in 3 does where a otherwise useless momento you start off with becomes useful for a late game "puzzle" clearly someone on the dev Team played 3
Origins was fine for a PSP game but it never should have been a prequel to SH1. Easily could've been its own story with how detailed they made Travis's backstory.
1 and 3 are about family really and that's what matters.
4>1>2>>>3
3 can eat shit.
2 > 3 > 1 > 4
SH3 is an "answer" to SH2 and I am tired of pretending it's not.
explain
It comes down to what Heather says to Claudia.
3 > 1 > 2
haven’t played 4
The initial poor sales numbers of SH2 threw Team Silent off track and made them consider SH3 as a rail shooter:
https://twitter.com/adsk4/status/1143637883066052609
Team Silent said that Konami forced them from their original vision and to make it more combat oriented to make it appeal to a wider audience. In fact, the original concept of SH3 was not even to make it a sequel but a standalone story like 2, that even borrowed some concepts from it, but they cut it because they didn't want to make similar to the game that just preceded, and they were also worried that it wouldn't pass the ratings agency.
https://www.silenthillmemories.net/creators/interviews/2005.04.23_imamura_yamaoka_gameworld_en.htm
>Originally the intention was not to make SH3 a direct sequel to the first game. In fact, the scenario was completely different, but fans seemed to want to tie up some loose ends, so we tried that, even though some on the staff did not agree with the decision.
>What was the original scenario for SH3? Are you allowed to divulge that?
>It was much more along the lines of the second, where the main character was a damaged human being, summoned to the town for a very specific reason. It was, or should say is, the darkest story we have come up with.
>I'm sure a lot would have to be cut. Just the preliminary scenario had elements that would most likely not be approved by the ratings boards. Another thing is we really didn't want to use a similar template as SH2 for the game that followed it. That was another deciding factor in changing SH3.
So if they didn't make SH2 first or weren't afraid of the ratings agency, SH3 could have been quite twisted in terms of plot and design
>SH dev team wanted the series to be an anthology focused on exploring character's personal trauma
cult-gays BTFO
yet despite that, SH2 still had references to the cult, it was just in the background since the game's focus wasn't about it.
Silent Hill would be nothing without understanding the Order
SH1 is about Alessa's trauma caused BY the cult...
>Silent Hill 2 flopped.
What a horrible timeline.
And then all those morons crying when Kojimbo's Silent Hills was cancelled.
I'm fricking happy DelToro didn't get to soil it at least.
Anyway, Silent Hill will never really return with anything worth while, they should move on, try some other horror ip if anything, like Toyama did.
Choose
I can fix her.
center two
Eileen, prob.
She's the least fricked in the head.
uuhhh... bro!??!?!?! you're cybil?!?!
the QUEEN of not being fricked in the head
Maria+Laura oyakodon
while Lisa watches
HEATHER ALL THE FRICKING WAY LET'S GOOOOOOOO
Nursejob and Eileen
Can I choose only one? Cybil or Eileen, for sure, leaning towards Eileen, but I want Maria to choke on my wiener and watch mascara running down her face
Heather seems cute and comfy, and original Heather (Alessa?) is cute
Isn't like a 3rd of this chart the same person?
Lisa, easily.
I don't say this often, but: I can save her.
>But anon she's a sl-
Shut the frick up Origins sucks
homie shes not fricking real. she died
none of them are real theyre video game characters
2 > 4 > 3 > 1
Where did all the SH4 shills come from? That game sucks and it's weird they're trying to meme it into being better than 2 & 3
later SH games were even worse, and it went over people's heads at release
until recently i legit thought the entire game was in first person cause in the limited time I played it (on rental) I couldn't figure out how to leave the apartment
Cuz despite its flaws, people still appreciate the thought and ideas that went into the game that still makes it a worthy horror game to play.
Apologists for the game's myriad flaws due to its handful of admittedly genius ideas. 4 is a game where you have to be willing to take the bad with the good, and some appear to be willing.
It might be okay if you treat it as its own horror game loosely inspired by SH. It just is not like the originals and it doesn't have what they do.
morons trying to be special and unique
maybe their favorite eceleb made a video about the game
sh4 is caca
shameful compared to the original trilogy
people recognizing that out of the original two is peak reddit and 1/3 fell flat with the b-movie cult setting.
Four is the only one that really finds a good compromise between the own butthole sniffing two and campy 1/3. Anybody who says otherwise is a contrarian Black person homosexual and should be exiled back to the reddit they came from
New Idea: Maria ending is the true ending and Mary was the false love. Hence he had to "kill" her. Actually Maria is most uplifting he gets to be with Maria and live a nice life.
New old (which is an old idea): there is no canonical ending since nothing was confirmed in the later Team Silent games, however the “In Water” ending is the one closest to what they envisioned based on the actual dev interviews.
Yeah the game is coop because by the end you don't really have a true answer and that is kind of what makes it interesting imo. Its not like the other 2 games really do this except kind of 1 but only kinda.
i know "In Water" is the devs favorite, but for me it's "Leave" because it has the most character growth
1 = 2 = 3 > 4
These days is so hard for me to choose a clear better game, after replaying them several times they become their own thing and they each feel unique. Now it boils down to however I'm feeling in that particular period. Last year my favorite was 1, right now is 3.
I've always loved the "Rebirth" ending. It feels more connected to SH story as a whole and doesn't outright ignore the cult. Although I obviously get that it doesn' t really fit into the overall narrative.
Are you me? I've always felt similarly, usually SH1 is my favorite but lately I've been particularly feeling SH3 right now. Planning to play through all four of them again for this month though so we'll see how that goes. They each have their own strengths and weaknesses that I think makes it just really depend where in life I'm at how I feel about them.
1>2>3>0>>>>>hc>4
And that my child is the story of...
How I Killed Your Mother
4 is a mixture of really great things and really shit things that make for an ok experience
>henrys apartment is one of the best settings in all of vidya
>good story
>cool villain
>probably the most unnerving besides 1
>repeating all the levels
>time consuming puzzles
>escorting eileen
>inventory management
>annoying as frick enemies
I just leave Eileen in a safe room and kill everything that can be killed then go back for her so there are less enemies that can hit her.
Such exciting gameplay
>leaving Ashley in a dumpster good
>leaving Eileen in a safe room bad
>Ashley
who?
Girl from the game that came out after Silent Hill 4.
But her name is Fiona.
And he has a STUPID VOID under her skirt, but I'm pretty sure she's not wearing any panties. I didn't see any on the bed.
What does Resident Evil have to do with Silent Hill 4's bad mechanics?
That reminded me of this comic.
Damn, Leon would DECIMATE silent hill
RE4 Leon could probably handle any other horror game, really. The guy is a superhuman.
Leon is too good a soldier for most horror centric games. Part of why re7 has a normal random guy instead of someone like him. re4 and 6 are more actiony so he fits
Leon would actually frequently utilize Angela's knife and get In Water ending in result.
james kills himself because he's a pussy that's depressed because he killed his wife
leon is a trained gigachad soldier, he would stab pyramidhead in the liver with that knife
>Action game protagonist who can't be killed with a direct hit from an anti-tank rocket launcher would do fine against a few slow monsters
What a shock. It's almost as if Resident Evil was ruined by selling out to an audience other than its own and abandoning the things that made it unique.
>Durr Leon was recruited by the secret service and became Tony REd-grave :^)
I really do like RE4 but 4 is possibly the worst character assasination I've ever seen (and possibly of the entire series as well). Like I can give 4 props for probabaly being the only RE game since 1 that actually tries to be scary and it still has puzzles at least but it doesn't really change the fact it sold out to the fanbase brought in by that shitty movie series where the characters were all doing matrix shit. SH actually tried to do the same but the difference is Konami can't do anything right and killed the series in the process.
>didn't even play Born From A Wish
You did NOT beat the game.
>non-canon Xbox bullshit
No thanks.
it was on PC as well
Greatest Hits PS2 version has it.
1 = 4 > 2 > 3
4 is very underrated and 2 is very overrated.
Injured Eileen is cute. CUTE
I gotta tell you, bros, if you want to be scared, play The Forest alone, in a dark room.
That shit is the scariest game I've played. It wasn't THAT scary because I'm pretty brave, but there were times where I almost shit myself and felt deep terror well within me, you know that sinking feeling?. I REALLY didn't like going down caves, but the surface is also scary, so you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. There's just something primal about going into murky caves with a torch and fighting off pale humanoids with a spear, and then dismembering and eating them if you're out of food. At times, I felt real terror and had to hiss and make grimaces in real life to overpower it and drive the enemy away. I felt real, actual relief after making it out of caves, the enemies are genuinely scary and dangerous. It just needed a little more shit to do on the surface to be more fun. It's a 10/10 for me, great game.
Also, you can kill babies, that's really creepy, creeps you the frick out
But you can't eat them, which is actually an L
It would be really fricking creepy and cool if you could eat them
You can eat everything else, though, including humans
I recently paid about $460 total for copies of sh 1-3
Wtf is wrong with you
im wealthy so money doesn't mean much to me
more like you're a tool that's being robbed of your money
Even if I were rich I'd still pirate
1 > 4 > 3 = 2
>3 is connected to 1
oooh, so THAT'S why nothing made sense to me in 3
3 is a direct sequel to 1. The halfway point has a massive reveal that will make absolutely no sense without prior knowledge.
goddamn, no one told me that while I was playing SH3 back in the day
>goddamn, no one told me that while I was playing SH3 back in the day
Define "back in the day", because EVERY single SH-gay has been hammering this fact to you and everybody else these past 20 years. Literally.
Is it also that hard for zoom zooms to play the numbered games in the order?
>Dahlia, Lisa, Alessa, Cheryl, Harry Mason, Aglaophotis
All those names mentioned in 3 only make sense if you play 1 first
1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 = 3 > 4
mogged by forbidden siren
1==2==3==4
1 > 2 > 3
Wasn't there some poll site that wasn't just most-votes-wins? Like, it would give the user "1 vs 2? 2 vs 3? 1 vs 3?" questions, allowing them to skip comparisons they weren't familiar with, and then showed the result of which poll member did the best against all others head-to-head?
I should have bookmarked it. Would be perfect for things like this, comparing entries from a series.
I like how SH3 doesn't reveal that it's a direct sequel to SH1 until this cutscene on otherworld Hilltop Center (Harry is mentioned and Heather calls him his dad). Granted, there were a few hints before this.
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I'm wishing for every SH2 fan to die in a fire and a special bull torture trap dedicated to Super Eyepatch wolf 🙂
The rest of SH fans are chill
3 = 1 > 2 > 4
SH2 and 3 are the same game but one is for incels and the other for femcels, but the femcel one plays better and is less boring.
Poor Henry didn't get laid because of Walter
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all garbage
i tried silent hill for the first time this week. i noped out, despitw having a gun. i just cant take it.
It is very scary at first, but it's worth pushing through. It's in the upper echelon of well-crafted games, so you don't want to miss out on that if you happen to have interest in gaming as an art form.
1 > 3 > 2 > 4 is objectively correct.
One day the rest of the world will understand.
>SH1 : kitchen knife, steel pipe, hammer, axe, handgun, shotgun, rifle (unlockables) chainsaw, rock drill, katana, hyper blaster
>SH2 : wood plank, steel pipe, Pyramid Head's great knife, handgun, shotgun, rifle (unlockables) chainsaw, hyper spray (Born from a Wish only) revolver, chinese cleaver
>SH3 : switchblade, steel pipe, spiked maul, katana, stun taser, handgun, shotgun, submachine gun (unlockables) flamethrower, lightsaber, Heather Beam, Sexy Beam
2 has the worst weapons
>SH1: trivialized once you get hammer, 40% through
>SH2: trivialozed once you get pipe, minutes in
Truly
1>2>3>4
2 > 1 > 3 >>>>>> 4
Silent Hill 1 : Seeing the town plunging progressively into a hellish state while you don't really understand what's happening (rituals, occult stuff) feels overwhelming (that's great for a horror game). The atmosphere is also truly oppressing thanks to the soundtrack. I also really like the snow/fog mixed together.
The monsters and otherworld design is the weakest in the series, which is understandable because it's the first game and they're still experimenting with the concept.
Silent Hill 2: Everything put together (character development of the main and side characters, monsters, design, music, melancholic atmosphere, symbolism, coherent story progression, etc.) makes it the best game of the series.
Silent Hill 3: Has the best main character of the series. The otherworld (best design in the series for me) is truly scary and unsettling (pulsating flesh, blood, veins, etc).
Silent HIll 4: the most horror inducing game. I'm still scared to play it without someone else besides me. Losing the safe space of your own home is terrifying. Also the unkillable ghosts are nightmare fuel. The vilain is also great.
So making a tier list is kind of hard because it depends what kind of game aspect prioritized.
>The monsters and otherworld design is the weakest in the series
Completely disagree, SH1's Otherworld has the most iconic and interesting imagery of the series.
Hmm i do think it's great. But i feel they could've done more with it (it mostly consists of rotten fences/walls, some blood, hanging body bags there and there, some marks of Samael). I feel they could've done more with occult symbolism and beliefs, devilish pregnancy imagery, etc. Silent Hill 3 achieves that in a way. It still very oppressive though. But i wouldn't it's the most iconic and interesting one.
>The monsters and otherworld design is the weakest in the series
What? The monsters are Alessa's nightmare becoming incarnate, and they're alluded to at various points. How is that worse than SH3's "fat guy" and "dude on ground with gas mask for some reason"?
I know that. She is kept alive with a ritual so the "god" is able to feed on her suffering (burning wounds from the boiler accident, etc), and eventually being born after the two parts of the soul of Alessa reunite. Her suffering manifests in things that she is afraid of (dogs, insects, her bullies dinosaurs from books, weird nurses/doctors that are under the influence of something > childish interpretation of drugs as a parasite).
Still, the design of monsters as a monkey, pterodactyl, moth, frogs, etc. are not scary. On the other hand i think the bully and doctor/nurses monsters are pretty good. They should've gone more in that direction with monsters representing fear cultists, dahlia, etc. Just a personal opinion.
Maybe their graphical designs aren't inherently scary, but monster design extends to more than that. Also, the fact that they're somewhat everyday things turned dangerous feeds into the "a nightmare is invading" theme.
But from a gameplay perspective, they're varied. The monkeys are fast, the pterodactyls are evasive and fly, the frogs don't trigger static and ambush the player, the kids grab Harry so he gets stabbed, etc. I don't remember the SH3 enemies doing much of anything besides suddenly-super-fast lunge attacks (the snorkel guy at least knocks her down). Worst of all, those levitating blade things make an unspeakably irritating noise at high volume at all times.
It's like Team Silent saw how much of a pushover enemies in 1 and 2 were and went in the opposite direction for 3. No enemies have knock back, all of them can make you fall over, they're all incredibly aggressive.
Aside from indoor enemies like the nurses and grey children which can easily be killed by the hammer, I feel like most SH1 enemies are dangerous, especially in their Otherworld forms. That one gauntlet run to the Lighthouse is probably the most challenging run I've had to do in a Silent Hill game since it's nothing but night Flutters and Wormheads along your path.
I did my entire first playthrough of 1 with the flashlight on like I was playing 2. The Otherworld town was...an experience. It was a lot like the run to the lighthouse, but the entire time.
Yeah i agree, the enemies in SH3 are not that memorable (i do really like the otherworld design though and for me it's the best). Perhaps i spoke too fast when i said: "the monsters design is the weakest in SH1". Still not a fan of those, they could've done so much more with it (i'm talking about the visuals, not especially the way they act)
You are slowly discovering what the hell is happening in that town (through weird occult interpretations of Dahlia) and you fight pterodactyls, dogs, insects bosses, dogs. Which for me is kind of eh, always thought there was so much potential for those enemies to be more inspired, cryptic and complex with the usage of childish imagination of impregnation, drug usage, cultist rituals, etc. I mean they've done it with the doctors/nurses, and kids with knifes.
There was even more of an emphasis on animal themed monsters originally, all six of the unused monsters in SH1 seem to resemble some kind of animal. Personally I love the "frog" and "ostrich", the complete lack of a face on either of them is terrifying.
I understand if you find the SH1 designs to be visually underwhelming. I forgive it because the graphical fidelity is low/blurry/pixelated, leaving some things to the imagination, but that's totally subjective.
>childish imagination of impregnation, drug usage, cultist rituals
It just wouldn't really work with the game. They could have done those things to scare the player, but it would have required changing the premise (and yes, admittedly SH3 moved more in that direction so that it could do both). I don't think Alessa knew all that much about those things: a 7 year old or whatever isn't really preoccupied with impregnation or drug usage, if they're even really aware of those subjects in any meaningful way. They are, however, very scared of dogs, tall and imposing adults, and the possibility that the shadows outside their room might be the flying dinosaurs from their picture books.
The Otherworld and things going on are more viscerally horrifying in SH3, but they felt less soulful to me. Since they're "just" grotesque monsters for the sheer sake of being grotesque, they didn't really resonate with me or strike me as being inventive and unique concepts from the developers. I understand that they are superficially scarier though in an immediate sense. Some of them, anyway.
It finally comes to the personal taste i guess. I really like the psychological horror aspect of how the mind is able to register unconsciously yours and others deeds (and the environnement/objects you interacted with) and how that mind interprets/represses/desires those in a personal way. So animal monsters are not that appealing to me since the explanation is just dislike/fear/hate. Using child imaginary interpretation of events she lives through could've been exploited in creative ways more that just fear/dislike of certain animals (real or from fairy tales). So i guess in the end i just wanted more enemies/bosses resembling doctors/nurses and bullying kids because it's a more elaborate unconscious interpretation. For example she could have used elements of "Alice in Wonderland" (and others), etc. to figure out what's happening to her. But that's still very coherent that a kid would use animals/scary creatures from fairy tales as representation of fear/negative emotions.
2 ruined the creature design by making everything some Fruedian shit that had to relate to the protag's mental state. SH1 monsters were just things from alessa's imagination so they never had to be anything more or less than "Stabby McFrickface"
Personally I like the idea that SH can pull thoughts from not just your fears, but any strong memory you hold. It gives us interesting stuff like Lisa, who is only Alessa's happy memories of her and leads to the question of just how concious and willing are the monsters that the town creates. Even the an overly sheltered little girl being afraid of insects or dogs is pretty logical.
>romper
>fear of adults
And they pin you to the ground and get on top of you? Poor Alessa.
>hanged scratcher
>composite of insect specimens
Feels like a bad translation, that thing has only the vaguest of insectile resemblances.
Dang, those look pretty cool as concept art. Wish the PS1 was able TO portray those as team silent intended = )
The hanged scatchers resemble lizards though, not insects. That whole section felt like a jab at Resident Evil.
All the monsters in 1 are Alessa's memories of her childhood mixed with the feelings being stuck in a fate worse than death.
2>1>>>>>>>3>4
I do think 4 has the better concept/story/scares than 3 overall, problem is the gameplay was so fricking jank.
Friendly reminder.
Also 1 >/= 2 >/= 4 > > > > 3
3>4>1>2
Unironically what the frick was his problem? Is his dwelling in Brookhaven his own creation that he willing chooses to stay within or is it the town punishing his fanaticism and abuse of Claudia with him not even realizing it since he's psychotic?
I never understood whether or not he was actually human. Plus the Seal of Metraton was useless when that same symbol was used by Alessa in SH1 to try and contain the evil of Silent Hill within the town until Dahlia tricked Harry.
>Plus the Seal of Metraton was useless
To be fair, Claudia claims it was useless, but how could we really be 100% sure?
It was Vincent's idea to get it, and his goal was to kill Claudia and Heather at the same time. My theory is the seal would somehow trap God and Heather in the Church forever after she got done killing Claudia.
Eileen watching movies on TV
>4
>Silent Hill
>4 better than 1
>not even ranking 2 and 3
Bold.
i would prefer 3 if i didnt play as a famale, i really cant relate to anything she's feeling, on the other hand i can realte to james and harry
I thought this was from 2, isn't this Maria's theme?
Yes, it's from 2
>Vita gets a silent hill game
>shitty ABSOLUTE SHITTY diablo shit clone
Little things like this make me suicidal
2>1>3>4.
1 > 3 >> 2 >>>>> 4
Eileen shaving her armpits
Who shaves in bed?
Eileen getting possessed
In all the years I've been on Ganker, and having played SH1-3, I've never watched a single one of these Eileen clips because I am always sure it's going to have a jump scare and I get too nervous to continue after like a third of a second. I don't mind horror as a genre in general, but I can't stand jump scares at all. Even Citizen Kane's infamous parrot left me in disarray.
I believe the only jumpscares that come from the peephole are when it looks like Eileen has discovered it (It's a fakeout though) and when she gets kidnapped and the robbie doll points at your direction like it's saying "You did this" but the latter happens well after you've lost any reason to check the peephole anymore since >noEileen
I think 4, and by extension Origins, are under-appreciated and didn't deserve the hate they got
4 > 2 > 3 > 1
1>3>4>2>>>>
memories>downpour
I think most people that praise SH2 have never actually played it. I love the atmosphere, ost, all that stuff but actually playing it fricking sucks, I dont understand how Pyramid Head has the kind of hype around him all his fights fricking suck, the combat fricking sucks in this game its a chore to play. I get that James is supposed to be inexperienced with weapons and stuff but just spamming X on enemies in a small hallway and hoping you don't take damage or running back and forth for 5 minuets in the first Pyramid Head fight is just miserable. I love Silent Hill 2 until I actually have to fight something
1>3>4>2
1 is so comfy and has the best atmosphere.
3 is probably the most solid game.
2 is a great game, just personal preference.
Eileen looking at (You)
2>1>4>3
Hard to beat 2's story.
1 and 3 feel more difficult, making them more oppressive in a sense. 1's Otherworld is amazing, metal and flesh all the way
4's water prison is one of the best horror levels ever. Also quite unique compared to the rest. Ghosts are scary af.
3... I really like it and I really don't. I think I'll need to replay it. A game that is very red and very dark, hard to see what's happening half the time. 2, 1, and 4 I can remember a lot of specific moments, 3 is kind of a blur.
Just started the series. What am I in for?
RE gay btw
Relative to RE? Way less action and simpler level designs, but way stronger atmosphere. Hope you're starting with the first one and going in chronological order. Try not to fall asleep playing 2, let it do its thing.
Yea, just finished SH1. The otherworld gimmick was really neat. Plus I do like the more open environment of the town.
Now that I finished it im going back through on a next fear run and playing around with the rock drill and going dor the good ending that i missed on my first playthrough
I wanted to make a silent hill thread a few days ago but Ganker keeps eating my threads when I try to make one.
>get told that my post was successful
>get redirected to some other random thread
>my thread nowhere to be seen on the catalog
I hate it
Your roommate and you are making threads at the same time
Heather is now canonically trapped in the DbD otherworld and gets repeatedly killed by serial murderers and monsters.
>Any numbered game is good
>any game with just a subtitle is bad
Is this a good rule of thumb to follow?
Was it made by Team Silent? Try it.
Was it made post Team Silent? Ignore it.
The post team Silent games are not god awful, but they clearly don't fit in with the original four and really are 5/10 games at best.
I think all the original 4 games are good, even if 4 is the weakest, it still has great atmosphere and a good story.
Bit of an oversimplification, very few of the SH games are actually awful but the majority hover close to mediocre. If you want to play games like Origins, Homecoming or Downpour then on their own terms they're playable enough, they're just a fall from grace when compared to 1, 2 and 3 which are bona fide classics.
1>3=4>2
1 is a classic and its age only adds to its charm.
2 would be pretty good if it wasn't so grossly overhyped by secondaries who never played it, favorite OST though.
3 has a shit story but has the "best" combat and solid puzzles. feels the most fleshed out of any of the games. great looking for a PS2 game as well.
4 is a guilty pleasure, lots of flaws but with some very standout moments. needed more dev time. people that say it doesn't deserve to be called an "original" silent hill game are the worst types of homosexuals in this fanbase from my experience. eileen is peak sexo
IF YOU WANT online silent hill try zombie panic, co-op horror, free on steam
Are you guys excited for the new game plus the SH2 remake?
Not really, I don't think no one could ever understand what made the Team Silent games so great but there is no reason to believe anyone involved with the new games does.
I started Higurashi to see if Ryukishi was worthy of writing a Silent Hill game. I finished Himatsubushi a few days ago and been impressed so far, one of my favorite mystery thrillers imo
>Blooper Team Remake?
Not really
>Ascension?
Frick god fricking no. Abrams has the Midas shit touch.
>Town(send)fall? Possibly. I think having something from the townspeoples POV (in a series where they all died/fricked off/whatever) is a recipe for disaster because modern day people are literal circus freaks and nobody can write for whatever year Silent Hill is supposed to be set in. I expect to see at least one gay rights flag in this thing.
>The japanese one?
No idea. Never read Umineko or whatever the thing with the bored witch girl is. Which is the only thing interesting about it because the rest looks like Fatal Frame and not Silent Hill.
Also not watching the movie unless Gans has gotten over his girl torture fetish (who am I kidding it's based on a game where some woman constantly dies of course it won't)
regarding F, I think ryukishi07 can do something interesting with SH, he was able to establish pretty well the small town vibes/atmosphere in higurashi, and he has written very compelling characters.
But also consider his horror VN Iwaihime, which was a piece of shit. He can write a good horror (the meat factory scene in Ciconia was very chilling) but only when he truly cares.
1>2>4>3
>can't unlock the heather beam without killing Douglas
I'm sorry, old man. I'll skip the cutscene, don't worry.
I've never played any of them but I plan to try on my steam deck.
The HD collection removes pantsu and the good voice acting with generic western youtube tier acting, beware!
I just started playing Origins and its pretty shit. Ive never played a SH before should i skip it?
dont even bother with that western pile of shit, it contradicts the lore of the first game and doesnt do anything intersting with it. Start with SH1 and stop at 4
my roommate and I both haven't played em they said start with this game. it has random music cues that pop up and take you out of the experience. Its been annoying to play. ty anon
Why are you starting with that of all games? Play the first four games in order and then decide if you want to go further. Everything after 4 is outsourced to various different devs.