Probably doesn't sound pretty and people associate angels with beautiful, golden haired, winged humans.
Completely unrelated, but the -el in all those names relates to God (Elohim) if I remember correctly. So Israel for instance means someone who wrestles with God.
I'm fairly certain it's literal translation is "of god", so if the rest of Israel has to do with wrestling, then it might be more like God's wrestler. The translation isn't really clean though, which is why there are biblical debates about what things actually meant.
The fact we have several translations of the Bible is a testament to that.
But I think you're right. Raziel (yes, it's not made up for the games) I think means Secrets Of God, while Ezekiel means Strengthened By God, so it's likely the translation isn't very accurate.
The fact we have several translations of the Bible is a testament to that.
But I think you're right. Raziel (yes, it's not made up for the games) I think means Secrets Of God, while Ezekiel means Strengthened By God, so it's likely the translation isn't very accurate.
there is literally a verse in the text where Jacob wrestles with an unknown person after sending all his peoples across the river to claim his birthright from his brother Esau. this person left Jacob with a permanent limp and was the reason that Jacob changed his name to Israel.
it's in Genesis for crying out loud. at least try to read the first book.
That doesn't mean his name was intended to be "Guy with so much hubris that he defines himself as competing with god". The Wrestler of God can also wrestle with a messenger from God, and there would be no contradictions. That's God's favorite wrestling monkey, of course he's going to take that name.
prior to a pantheon consolidation, the angels were considered not servants but lesser gods themselves, the el indicating this status
there were 7 primaries as well, including YHVH, Asherah (still mentioned in one of the Kings), Sin (as in acts of Sin), Azrael, and others
Ashera wasn't native to the Hebrew religion, she was the queen of the Canaanite pantheon and was imported into Hebrew religion briefly before being purged.
It's okay anon. Mudcomorons and history historylets that don't actually know people were named after heavenly virtues and real dumbshit. They probably cringe at the idea of Tiffany being used historically despite it being an old as frick name.
The youth's power far exceed his peers. God choosed him to be his scribe and even gave him a throne next to his. He is the new Lucifer more or less. 2nd in command, as Jesus one in the same with his father and the spirit.
Because people aren't very familiar with the term but they are very familiar with this guy, who has a superficially similar-sounding name, and people will associate the two.
>literally just shows up to instantly fall off into the grimson horizon and die >the battle is not even a real battle its one where he invades the players dreams and has a dream battle to test player skills then continues falling and dying >playable never ever
what the fricks wrong with them doing designs like this just to waste them like that?
because >Raphael >Gabriel
& >Michael
are much more front and center in the various abrahamic religious texts and metatron is more of a “background” secondary character if even canon in a lot of those traditions.
its like saying why is gandalf a more recognizable name then some other Ainur mentioned in the shilmarillion. its because more of the main series focuses on gandalf, and the name of the literal who ainer is supplemental at best to the story, even if that ainer might be more “important” cosmologically where they are mentioned.
>metatron >the actual voice of God.
Metatron's sole purpose is speaking for God because if God actually speaks all mortals in range will die from the sheer power overload.
also, as the voice of God he literally can't be argued against. this makes for a relatively boring character.
I dont really care either way, but axiomatic, or apearently axiomatic entities and concepts are a treasure trove that are often dept with in pulp shit.
Apparently the messengers aren't too fond of humans. Just give the message and go, if the human has questions they get pissed because answering monkey queries ain't there fricking job.
Metatron, like watcher, and Cheribum is a fricking rank not just one angel in particular. Messenger rank if I remember correctly. Watchers are pretty obvious, Cherubim are general all-powerful frickery tasks without a specific domain attached to them if I remember.
The entity who usually gets called Metatron is specifically the Voice of God. He exists to speak for God since God actually speaking will annihilate anything within range.
>The great divine being Metatron stands before you in all his maj- >snicker, did you say Megatron? >What, no, it's totally biblical and cool you guys >lol Megatron lulululul
"The Metatron is annoyed with your mockery and leaves, leaving you exposed to the direct power of the voice of God himself. This divine radiance blasts you all to ash, especially you, Dave."
"Unless you guys wanna shut up about your cartoons and listen to the Metatron."
>Kevin Smith's Dogma, played by Alan Rickman >Supernatural >Shin Megami Tensei >Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett >Netflix's Sabrina >His Dark Materials >High School DxD >hE Is nEVeR uSed aS A NamE
Seriously?
Way to miss the point, he wasn't complaing about him not showing up in media he's wondering why we don't go around naming our kids Metatron like we do with the other three
it's too kickass, all the players would feel subhuman next to its glory
Probably doesn't sound pretty and people associate angels with beautiful, golden haired, winged humans.
Completely unrelated, but the -el in all those names relates to God (Elohim) if I remember correctly. So Israel for instance means someone who wrestles with God.
I'm fairly certain it's literal translation is "of god", so if the rest of Israel has to do with wrestling, then it might be more like God's wrestler. The translation isn't really clean though, which is why there are biblical debates about what things actually meant.
The fact we have several translations of the Bible is a testament to that.
But I think you're right. Raziel (yes, it's not made up for the games) I think means Secrets Of God, while Ezekiel means Strengthened By God, so it's likely the translation isn't very accurate.
Colonel must be quite a shitty rank then.
there is literally a verse in the text where Jacob wrestles with an unknown person after sending all his peoples across the river to claim his birthright from his brother Esau. this person left Jacob with a permanent limp and was the reason that Jacob changed his name to Israel.
it's in Genesis for crying out loud. at least try to read the first book.
That doesn't mean his name was intended to be "Guy with so much hubris that he defines himself as competing with god". The Wrestler of God can also wrestle with a messenger from God, and there would be no contradictions. That's God's favorite wrestling monkey, of course he's going to take that name.
Is Israel a face or a heel?
Like all good heels/faces it depends on the season.
Religion in wrestling terms makes everything easier for me.
prior to a pantheon consolidation, the angels were considered not servants but lesser gods themselves, the el indicating this status
there were 7 primaries as well, including YHVH, Asherah (still mentioned in one of the Kings), Sin (as in acts of Sin), Azrael, and others
judeochristian demonology gets fricking nuts
Ashera wasn't native to the Hebrew religion, she was the queen of the Canaanite pantheon and was imported into Hebrew religion briefly before being purged.
Because it never caught on as a name in the real world and now it makes you sound like a knockoff transformers villian
Blame undertale
I won't, because I know the difference between a word that has an R, and one that doesn't.
That's a Transformer, anon.
Transformers don't go to heaven, they go back to the Matrix.
Leaders who've used or held the matrix get an afterlife. If you aren't one of the few chosen you just go offline into darkness.
>I don't mind the newer IDW shit where there is a little more too it than old g1, however
Sounds too similar to Megatron
Because it is just a title, like satan, that any qualified angel can hold
because meta is a well recognized greek prefix and tron is also a commonly used sylable. it just sounds fake even if its historical
Used as a name in what?
regardless of origin, it sounds too scifi-ish
Metatron is too based, and also happens to sound like an autobot.
He is exclusive to the israeli religious texts, so his name would not have propagated throughout the Christian world.
Because the first thing people think of when they hear "Metatron" is Megatron, or just transformers and robots in general.
It sounds like something from Transformers, rather than something that fits in with middle-age-esque fantasy.
>middle-age-esque fantasy.
>the Bible
It's okay anon. Mudcomorons and history historylets that don't actually know people were named after heavenly virtues and real dumbshit. They probably cringe at the idea of Tiffany being used historically despite it being an old as frick name.
>So many buzzwords
>While completely missing the point
>two terms from this site is too many buzzwords
>can't comprehend so says it misses the point
Okay moron.
The youth's power far exceed his peers. God choosed him to be his scribe and even gave him a throne next to his. He is the new Lucifer more or less. 2nd in command, as Jesus one in the same with his father and the spirit.
It doesnr end with EL
If it was metatronel it would be used all the time
I know you're joking, but I think Metatrel sounds pretty cool.
Because it sounds like a fricking Transformers
>Why is Metatron never used as a name?
Because people aren't very familiar with the term but they are very familiar with this guy, who has a superficially similar-sounding name, and people will associate the two.
Here's Metatron from Granblue Fantasy
>literally just shows up to instantly fall off into the grimson horizon and die
>the battle is not even a real battle its one where he invades the players dreams and has a dream battle to test player skills then continues falling and dying
>playable never ever
what the fricks wrong with them doing designs like this just to waste them like that?
metatron isn't in the bible and the book of enoch is bad fanfic
because
>Raphael
>Gabriel
&
>Michael
are much more front and center in the various abrahamic religious texts and metatron is more of a “background” secondary character if even canon in a lot of those traditions.
its like saying why is gandalf a more recognizable name then some other Ainur mentioned in the shilmarillion. its because more of the main series focuses on gandalf, and the name of the literal who ainer is supplemental at best to the story, even if that ainer might be more “important” cosmologically where they are mentioned.
Too israeli.
Bots are getting weirder every day
Yeah, pretty soon they'll be starting more interesting threads than the human anons.
>First it was story shitter
>Then it was nogames
>Now its bot threads
Too close to Metatroon
>metatron
>the actual voice of God.
Metatron's sole purpose is speaking for God because if God actually speaks all mortals in range will die from the sheer power overload.
also, as the voice of God he literally can't be argued against. this makes for a relatively boring character.
I dont really care either way, but axiomatic, or apearently axiomatic entities and concepts are a treasure trove that are often dept with in pulp shit.
Apparently the messengers aren't too fond of humans. Just give the message and go, if the human has questions they get pissed because answering monkey queries ain't there fricking job.
Sounds like a robot
Metatron, like watcher, and Cheribum is a fricking rank not just one angel in particular. Messenger rank if I remember correctly. Watchers are pretty obvious, Cherubim are general all-powerful frickery tasks without a specific domain attached to them if I remember.
The entity who usually gets called Metatron is specifically the Voice of God. He exists to speak for God since God actually speaking will annihilate anything within range.
>this is my son, Meta
You can't name him that, it's too meta
>The great divine being Metatron stands before you in all his maj-
>snicker, did you say Megatron?
>What, no, it's totally biblical and cool you guys
>lol Megatron lulululul
"The Metatron is annoyed with your mockery and leaves, leaving you exposed to the direct power of the voice of God himself. This divine radiance blasts you all to ash, especially you, Dave."
"Unless you guys wanna shut up about your cartoons and listen to the Metatron."
Metatron always makes me think of the SMT version. Not a bad thought I suppose but it always gets the Law theme stuck in my head.
>Kevin Smith's Dogma, played by Alan Rickman
>Supernatural
>Shin Megami Tensei
>Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
>Netflix's Sabrina
>His Dark Materials
>High School DxD
>hE Is nEVeR uSed aS A NamE
Seriously?
Way to miss the point, he wasn't complaing about him not showing up in media he's wondering why we don't go around naming our kids Metatron like we do with the other three