Proof of concept in this case wasn't supposed to have a super negative connotation to it so it's weird you're so defensive about it, but I'll bite.
Gen 1 is ugly, it feels like shit and looks like shit to anyone without rose-tinted nostalgia goggles on.
That being said, it was ground-breaking at the time for the kids getting into it. It's the foundation of the entire multi-billion goliath its become today in terms of concepts and most of the design philosophies so of course it had the longest dev time, every game following it just added stuff (and cut stuff), and gave it a new coat of paint. The sales numbers are crazy and launched us into the era of pokemania but the games are still a shitty prototype that needed a lot of fixing and polishing and gen 2+ did just that, they were a wildy successful proof of concept but they didn't age well at all because they were just that and people liked it because better didn't exist yet.
>Gen 1 is ugly, it feels like shit and looks like shit
Nah this is a subjective opinion and its a bad one at that. The games graphics and gameplay were good then and they hold up now in terms of retro gaming.
Get insulted for giving a short reply, get insulted for giving a longer reply, what to do. Learn to read or shut the frick up if that wasn't in response you, respectfully.
>Gen 1 is ugly, it feels like shit and looks like shit
Nah this is a subjective opinion and its a bad one at that. The games graphics and gameplay were good then and they hold up now in terms of retro gaming.
I won't bother trying to change your mind if that's how you feel, I can respect that you still enjoy it today. For me personally there's nothing a gen 1 game brings to the table that any other gen doesn't, no replayability whatsoever, just my opinion though like you said.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I wanna begin by saying that I respect you keeping it civil here so I will do the same. My thing about gen 1 is that it just has a good "feel" to it if that makes sense. I like the way it plays and looks, despite it being dated and such. The music was also really good and I still love the SS Anne tune to this day. Now, that being said, the games weren't flawless and there is an incredible amount of jank in the games, but in a way that just makes them more impressive that they can be simultaneously good and buggy as frick at the same time. Plus its worth noting that a lot of the bugs and jank only became common knowledge in the last ten years or so. I know I wont change your mind either and your opinion is worth the same as mine, even if I disagree with it
4 months ago
Anonymous
Appreciate your response a lot and likewise 🙂 I've been thinking on what I've said so I'll be completely honest with you.
My first games were FRLG/Emerald/Diamond in some order that I can't really remember because I was so young, I think I'm biased against RBY because I grew up with the "updated" versions so the originals looked inferior to me in every way in a jarring sense, but they're such faithful remakes that it's pretty dumb to say such things in hindsight. I'm no different than a "genwunner with nostalgia goggles" because my nostalgia goggles are slightly more recent. I also gotta acknowledge that the gen 1 games do a lot within the context of the time, the Gameboy's limitations and cartridge size limits make them stand out as other anons have mentioned.
At this point FRLG are about to hit their 20th anniversary but I'm still playing their romhacks all the time compared to modern titles and they look as good to me now as they did then, if not better. That makes me a hypocrite in a sense, I was even interested in the Gen 1 Kanto Expansion Pak that dropped recently too. You have changed my mind somewhat so I appreciate you sharing your perspective with me, even if gen 1 will never be my first pick.
4 months ago
Anonymous
If FRLG was your introduction into Kanto then it honestly makes perfect sense that you'd feel the way you do about gen one. I cant imagine how much of a step back that would be in quality to have played the updated versions first and then going back to the originals. And it's probably fair to say that a lot of my enjoyment of gen one is nostalgia based since it was a huge part of my childhood.
I was like this. Right now I'm playing the game via 3DS VC. Didn't run into any glitches as far as I can tell yet, but nothing ingame has caught my eye to catch yet. Only music that *really* stood out is the trainer theme. I Will catch a Nidoran as soon as I can to experience the Nidoking pill I've heard about all this time. Picrel is my "team" (it's just Charmeleon). This is my first time playing RBY, I've played FRLG before and just came off of beating BW, so I'm taking a break from Unova to give the original games a fighting chance instead of calling it a day playing the remakes
That's my next stop. I've heard that there's many differences between Crystal and HGSS and I've played the latter, so I had a change of heart and decided to give the old games a try.
I've been playing the pokemon games to see how much of their flaws and boons are based in truth, bullshit, or extreme bias. Only now I realize that I should've gone >Blue -> Crystal -> Emerald -> Fire Red -> HeartGold -> Platinum -> Black
instead of >FireRed -> Emerald -> HeartGold -> Platinum -> Black
But eh, what can you do
You're leaving out the part where you have to perform a glitch and you can't do it after you've fought Brock iirc.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>you can't do it after you've fought Brock
You can still do it if there's a trainer you dodged that spots you the moment he comes on screen. You also need to find iirc a level 4 Caterpie, which will be easier in Blue. Pretty sure you can escape rope out of Viridian Forest, which is the only other bit you need.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I always remember having to use the poison death glitch to warp back to the PC in front of the Level 9 Weedle trainer at the end of the forest. But the trainer/Fly glitch would work too, you're right
You're leaving out the part where you have to perform a glitch and you can't do it after you've fought Brock iirc.
>you can't do it after you've fought Brock
You can still do it if there's a trainer you dodged that spots you the moment he comes on screen. You also need to find iirc a level 4 Caterpie, which will be easier in Blue. Pretty sure you can escape rope out of Viridian Forest, which is the only other bit you need.
I don't know how people figured shit like this out, but I beat brock and piss easy Onix already so there's not much for me to do there
4 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't know how people figured shit like this out
Trial and error, mixed with random chance and a little bit of data mining.
Gen 1 isn't only fun because it's broken and badly designed, but those qualities do elevate it and allow for you to play in ways that newer gens do not allow.
Which 4 year old could pull off glitch city. It's actually a long and tedious process, just like most bugs that are "definite proofs" that gen 1 is broken.
gen 1 was amazing compared to other games AT THE TIME
try to remember how fricking shitty the games for gameboy were
the fact that mario world and tennis were the top 2 games should really tip you off how bad the situayion was
Mario Land 2: 6 golden coins is kino and still holds up as a platformer even today. Also Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening is one of the most underrated Zelda titles.
Unrelated but I'm a casual and is there really no way for Gen 2 to communicate with Gen 3? Really nothing? What about romhacks or something?
I would really like to bring my Gen 2s mons over to Gen 3
People who act like RBYs glitchiness ruined it are dumb, but people who act like it wasn't a legitimate issue are also dumb. There's an entire fricking type interaction that is coded incorrectly.
the movepools really do hurt rby
imagine picking a fire starter and only having ember for stab until youre in the 30s
oh wait you dont have to imagine that just pick charmander
I think gen 1 holds up surprisingly well. The only think that stops me from playing it again is how slow the boxes are. Apart from that I never experienced any glitches in my regular playthrough so I don't get why people consider that a valid criticism when it doesn't affect most players.
RBY are a proof of concept
Yeah, 6 year development proof of concept with 30 million in sales and a movie.
Still a proof of concept.
>Get blown out in a debate with irrefutable points
>Parrot the same point
Proof of concept in this case wasn't supposed to have a super negative connotation to it so it's weird you're so defensive about it, but I'll bite.
Gen 1 is ugly, it feels like shit and looks like shit to anyone without rose-tinted nostalgia goggles on.
That being said, it was ground-breaking at the time for the kids getting into it. It's the foundation of the entire multi-billion goliath its become today in terms of concepts and most of the design philosophies so of course it had the longest dev time, every game following it just added stuff (and cut stuff), and gave it a new coat of paint. The sales numbers are crazy and launched us into the era of pokemania but the games are still a shitty prototype that needed a lot of fixing and polishing and gen 2+ did just that, they were a wildy successful proof of concept but they didn't age well at all because they were just that and people liked it because better didn't exist yet.
>Gen 1 is ugly, it feels like shit and looks like shit
Nah this is a subjective opinion and its a bad one at that. The games graphics and gameplay were good then and they hold up now in terms of retro gaming.
bro who is reading all that shut the frick up lol
Get insulted for giving a short reply, get insulted for giving a longer reply, what to do. Learn to read or shut the frick up if that wasn't in response you, respectfully.
I won't bother trying to change your mind if that's how you feel, I can respect that you still enjoy it today. For me personally there's nothing a gen 1 game brings to the table that any other gen doesn't, no replayability whatsoever, just my opinion though like you said.
I wanna begin by saying that I respect you keeping it civil here so I will do the same. My thing about gen 1 is that it just has a good "feel" to it if that makes sense. I like the way it plays and looks, despite it being dated and such. The music was also really good and I still love the SS Anne tune to this day. Now, that being said, the games weren't flawless and there is an incredible amount of jank in the games, but in a way that just makes them more impressive that they can be simultaneously good and buggy as frick at the same time. Plus its worth noting that a lot of the bugs and jank only became common knowledge in the last ten years or so. I know I wont change your mind either and your opinion is worth the same as mine, even if I disagree with it
Appreciate your response a lot and likewise 🙂 I've been thinking on what I've said so I'll be completely honest with you.
My first games were FRLG/Emerald/Diamond in some order that I can't really remember because I was so young, I think I'm biased against RBY because I grew up with the "updated" versions so the originals looked inferior to me in every way in a jarring sense, but they're such faithful remakes that it's pretty dumb to say such things in hindsight. I'm no different than a "genwunner with nostalgia goggles" because my nostalgia goggles are slightly more recent. I also gotta acknowledge that the gen 1 games do a lot within the context of the time, the Gameboy's limitations and cartridge size limits make them stand out as other anons have mentioned.
At this point FRLG are about to hit their 20th anniversary but I'm still playing their romhacks all the time compared to modern titles and they look as good to me now as they did then, if not better. That makes me a hypocrite in a sense, I was even interested in the Gen 1 Kanto Expansion Pak that dropped recently too. You have changed my mind somewhat so I appreciate you sharing your perspective with me, even if gen 1 will never be my first pick.
If FRLG was your introduction into Kanto then it honestly makes perfect sense that you'd feel the way you do about gen one. I cant imagine how much of a step back that would be in quality to have played the updated versions first and then going back to the originals. And it's probably fair to say that a lot of my enjoyment of gen one is nostalgia based since it was a huge part of my childhood.
>"Gen 1 was such a poorly made glitchy mess!"
>"Why yes, I haven't played it, how were you able to tell? Why would I play it when there's FRLG?"
I was like this. Right now I'm playing the game via 3DS VC. Didn't run into any glitches as far as I can tell yet, but nothing ingame has caught my eye to catch yet. Only music that *really* stood out is the trainer theme. I Will catch a Nidoran as soon as I can to experience the Nidoking pill I've heard about all this time. Picrel is my "team" (it's just Charmeleon). This is my first time playing RBY, I've played FRLG before and just came off of beating BW, so I'm taking a break from Unova to give the original games a fighting chance instead of calling it a day playing the remakes
if you haven't, play GSC as well. to this day i prefer crystal over hgss
That's my next stop. I've heard that there's many differences between Crystal and HGSS and I've played the latter, so I had a change of heart and decided to give the old games a try.
I've been playing the pokemon games to see how much of their flaws and boons are based in truth, bullshit, or extreme bias. Only now I realize that I should've gone
>Blue -> Crystal -> Emerald -> Fire Red -> HeartGold -> Platinum -> Black
instead of
>FireRed -> Emerald -> HeartGold -> Platinum -> Black
But eh, what can you do
For the optimal Nidoking experience you want to catch it in Viridian Forest and level it to 100 before taking on Brock.
Damnit, I knew I was missing something in that fricking forest. I thought Nidoran was in Mt. Moon
Nidoran might be, but Nidoking can be found in Viridian Forest.
You're leaving out the part where you have to perform a glitch and you can't do it after you've fought Brock iirc.
>you can't do it after you've fought Brock
You can still do it if there's a trainer you dodged that spots you the moment he comes on screen. You also need to find iirc a level 4 Caterpie, which will be easier in Blue. Pretty sure you can escape rope out of Viridian Forest, which is the only other bit you need.
I always remember having to use the poison death glitch to warp back to the PC in front of the Level 9 Weedle trainer at the end of the forest. But the trainer/Fly glitch would work too, you're right
I don't know how people figured shit like this out, but I beat brock and piss easy Onix already so there's not much for me to do there
>I don't know how people figured shit like this out
Trial and error, mixed with random chance and a little bit of data mining.
>gen 1 sucks because it's so broken and badly designed
>gen 1 is fun only because it's so broken and badly designed
Gen 1 isn't only fun because it's broken and badly designed, but those qualities do elevate it and allow for you to play in ways that newer gens do not allow.
unironically i think shit like being able to skip the rocket hideout with a pokedoll enhances the rpg experience
I can agree with that. It's almost like a secret boss skip. I was more focused on the battle differences.
>its good becuase uhhh.. i was 4 and had no standards!!!
Kids today don't know how good we had it in 9 Town. Great level.
Lmao imagine trying to make that point and posting pure kino like glitch city. This shit was awesome and I loved exploring the glitches.
Which 4 year old could pull off glitch city. It's actually a long and tedious process, just like most bugs that are "definite proofs" that gen 1 is broken.
>Gen 1 sucks ass because of base stats in these various mons
???
You can *literally* feel the bugs and jankiness within the first 5 minutes of play.
It's held together by duct tape, baby duck.
>RBY is bad because there is only a single Dragon line
>RBY is bad because there is only a single Ghost line
gen 1 sucks ass because as a kid I got stuck after cerulean city and the trauma stuck to me for my whole life
>not being able to do the caves blind
gen 1 was amazing compared to other games AT THE TIME
try to remember how fricking shitty the games for gameboy were
the fact that mario world and tennis were the top 2 games should really tip you off how bad the situayion was
Mario Land 2: 6 golden coins is kino and still holds up as a platformer even today. Also Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening is one of the most underrated Zelda titles.
gen 1 is still the best gen despite being glitchy
Did no one else also see squirtle making this face?
>B/W and S/M have the best stories because they are bad JRPG clichés !!!
Unrelated but I'm a casual and is there really no way for Gen 2 to communicate with Gen 3? Really nothing? What about romhacks or something?
I would really like to bring my Gen 2s mons over to Gen 3
Some youtuber figured out how to trade between gens 2 and 3 but it was convoluted as frick
People who act like RBYs glitchiness ruined it are dumb, but people who act like it wasn't a legitimate issue are also dumb. There's an entire fricking type interaction that is coded incorrectly.
Is it ghost and psychic?
I havent played RBY since my yellow battery died and i was unable to keep a save file
the movepools really do hurt rby
imagine picking a fire starter and only having ember for stab until youre in the 30s
oh wait you dont have to imagine that just pick charmander
I think gen 1 holds up surprisingly well. The only think that stops me from playing it again is how slow the boxes are. Apart from that I never experienced any glitches in my regular playthrough so I don't get why people consider that a valid criticism when it doesn't affect most players.
Hopefully someone will port the gen 3-style boxes to gen 1 like they have with 2. Or port gen 1 to gen 2 as it was originally.