>Over the past few days, Redfall’s Steam player count has dropped to three players – yes, seriously. That means that, if you’re looking to jump in and find a lobby online without crossplay, then you’re really going to struggle.
Microsoft bought the best singleplayer stealth developer in the world and this is the result. This is the power of a microsoft first party title.
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Should just have let them make another immersive sim, then bother to let them advertise it
>Arkane died for this
Arkane died after DMMMMMMMMM
But I liked nuPrey and Dishonored 1.
No.
>nuPrey
Derivative and small scope. The ethical dilemma is superficial.
>Dishonored 1
Casual super powers simulator. It's no fun when the game is too easy.
They are not bad, but that's it.
Don't care, I had my fun.
You can find flaws in any game. Depending on player's taste a flaw can turn into something desired. I can't name a single game where I felt immersed enough to care about ethics at all.
>Dark Messiah
>Not easy
You are a moronic homosexual
Dishonored even fixed the kick spam by making it wind blast
It's a better version than Dark Messiah in every way, from level design and stealth to magic and combat, but people love kickspamming, so ironic that you are shitting Dishonored for being easy
Better designed/balanced games do not necessarily make a more fun game.
Kick spam is just simply fun, doesn't mater if its broken, people like it.
>Better designed/balanced games do not necessarily make a more fun game.
True, which is why Dishonored is fun as frick in spite of being unbalanced
>Kick spam is just simply fun
No, it was just dull and repetitive, other than necessary when you ran out of mana because melee at higher difficulties was a slog of hitsponges. The game had too poor level design and enemies for kick spam to be fun, but Dishonored is designed around the crazy things you can pull off with your powers
Shame the story was so bad it actively discouraged you from using those powers
>too easy
If you play stealthy like a homosexual maybe
nuPrey was very good, sorry hateocracy
yeah i stopped caring about them after the black dishonered troony game
That retcon in the first 10 minutes of Dishonored 2 made me not want to play the game. So I don't even got to play DLC.
Game running like garbage at launch didn't help.
microsoft didn't do shit, bethesda killed arkane. ideally zenimax would cease to exist but at this point it's probably too late to make a difference
More people will view this thread than play Redfall on Steam this month
they are all on gamepass. why buy a game on steam for full price when you can play it on a platform that has a very low barrier to entry?
I got gamepass today and spent most of the day downloading shit, I skipped Redfall and Deathloop because even for "free" I don't want them.
if it has such a low barrier to entry then why are less than 4 ppl playing it? stupid fricking post
>Make ugly ass game
>Surprised no one wants to buy it
One day I hope we get some very candid postmortems on wtf happened with this game. How does such a good studio release such a piece of shit? What happened?
The usual corporate meddling. Arkane make single player games outside of Dark Messiah's MP and Deathloop so weren't a good pick for this genre. 4 player co-op looter shooters were the hot thing to cash in on. Throw in modern day mandates and agendas as well as some ESG funding and you had a lame cast of characters.
>How does such a good studio
A studio is only as good as its people. And the good ones of Arkane left way before flopfall
it's already been reported on. bethesda was losing cash fast, arkane's post-dishonored-1 games simply would not sell (for various reasons), so the execs would only entertain new pitches for games that seemed more aligned with what they saw as mainstream money-making practices, i.e. live service DEI-core nickel-and-diming.
arkane wanted to find a way to make this work for their style, but the game's leadership had clearly limited interest in making a co-op looter shooter, and provided very little direction, with very little clarity. without this, developers spun their wheels shitting out assets and game systems on autopilot. the disinterest was infections, and the studio had shedded 70% of its pre-redfall staff by the the game shipped, scrambling to fill the gap with contractors and new, inexperienced hires.
the microsoft buyout should have put and end to this, stepping in to either cancel or overhaul a clearly-struggling project, but they remained completely hands-off. by the time they realized what was going on, the marketing engine was in full gear, and it was too late to back down.
I really hope one day publishers wake up and realize that the live service game bubble has popped and there isn't any room in the market for more of them.
People want finely polished, hand-crafted single player experiences or shit they can play with friends and loved ones that doesn't require them to join a game's fricking online ecosystem.
It's just that you can't have too many of them, people don't have infinite time.
You need something really unique or fricking good to compete and when that happens you directly affect other games.
Which is why it's so baffling when the same company divides funding between multiple games that then compete with each other leading to all of them dying.
most of the real talent left and the studio got filled with diversity hires
After Colantonio left lots of devs left with him.
Arkane Lyon wasn't affected as much, but Arkane Austin is in tatters, the only one left from before Colantonio left is probably Harvey Smith.
>After Colantonio left lots of devs left with him.
And went on to make another boring game, so that can't be it
bethesda allowed Arkane to bleed out and be sabotaged by HH (now Roundhouse Studios), Redfall is simply a result of a husk of a team setup to fail hard from the get-go
The old left. Someone made a chart showing departure times and games.
tldr it's bad and lazy design
All the talent left, simple as. The moment Colantonio was forced out by Harvey Smith, the studio was officially dead.
The games needed to be good to have good sales and thus pay the cost of their production, the loans that the studios make.
But with Gamepass, producers no longer need to worry about sales because the game is already paid for by Microsoft.
It's the same thing that's happening with movies and series nowadays.
went woke
>wtf happened with this game
Microsoft's Midas Touch of shit.
It's probably very boring story, zenimax before it was sold out did stupid things to rapidly earn money like fallout76. Arkane games flopped so they forced them to make something for sony and a multi-player game. And they created such uninspired concept. Ms probably had some hope about the project but after certain deadline they understood it's impossible to finish with that team, so they published it as is
The fact that people even bought the game at 70 fricking dollars when you could have gotten it for significantly cheaper via gamepass is the more concerning part of the news story. We all knew it was gonna be bad, and yet people still bought it.
They should have cancelled this like Hyenas
Redplop was a single player game though at its core, it has 4 person multiplayer but thats kind of an afterthought.
The reason Hyenas got ACK'd is because it was designed to be a GaaS and it was VERY obvious from the terrible beta and optics that it was never going to make enough money to justify its server costs and maintenance (from devs) costs.
sound like bullshit
It has been under 4 players at points recently.
I stand corrected then.
>3am
Uhh...you guys sleep too right?
Its not 3am everywhere on the planet you dumb c**t
it is so... so... over sisters
fricking lmao
should have all three of them with clown makeup
>Redfall’s Steam player count has dropped to three players – yes, seriously. That means that, if you’re looking to jump in and find a lobby online without crossplay, then you’re really going to struggle
so if i jumped in, i would be the 4th person and we would instantly fill a lobby
Do you really want to be trapped with the type of people to still be playing Redslop?
You can go in and troll them instead then. There is only 3 others
Do the needful
lets roll brother. its gaming time
>OH, I'M SORRY, DID SOMEBODY MAKE A BAD GAME?
Another Xbox studios classic.
What's the game of the generation coming from them?
Zenimax REALLLY wanted to pivot to the live service model.
It was doing horribly for them.
at least Bob Altman died before he could enjoy his billions
A Left 4 Dead with vampires sounds too kino. How can they frick this up so bad?
It's not Microsoft's fault the game was made, it was in development before they bought zenimax. it is their fault that the game was released, though. They should have cancelled it rather that sink even more money into it
>Put a black woman all over your game's marketing
>It flops
Many such cases
The corporate suits just can't stop trying to force the untapped demographic meme into reality. They want other demographics than young white/asian men to buy their products so desperately it's comedic.
Its extremely bizarre since the female market is already dominated... by connect 3 games, puzzle games, VNs, and RPGs for those who want some gameplay with their story.
Its been known what women like in gaming for almost 25 years now, of all thing Flash games was the biggest thing that showed what women enjoyed playing.
Its a solved thing that is being exploited for profit by other companies, mainly on phone platforms, but gig AAA studios can't accept that their products are not really wanted by that market segment.
Remember they think men and women are equal and the only differences are socially imposed, so if men enjoy FPS games then women MUST enjoy them as well, they just need more representation! They need to feel more welcome! It can't be that they just aren't into them.
They don't even have to, literally everyone pics the same kind of people when playing games. At best by doing this they please a few people but in reality most see it as a sign of where the games priorities are. They made their own bad faith.
If they could stop you from buying their games, they would.
they already have
i havent bought a game in years
fake news you can definitely fill a few teams.
How many are playing singleplayer?
Journalist is skewing the time when it happened. But it indeed hapened. 3 players.
The game doesn't have lobbies or matchmaking unless they added it post launch. Which I doubt, because they haven't added the dlc character(s).
Community notes are the best thing to happen to X
Never heard of it.
>1500 peak
kek, literal who indie games with 0 marketing get more than this
A fricking shitty Flash MMO gets more players than that per server, what the frick?
To be fair no reason to buy gamepass games on steam but we cant see their numbers
This picture can't be read.
Upload a better resolution picture to Imgur or wherever and post a link if you want people to read it.
it's 4144x6872 resolution, anyone can read it
can read it fine, stop being a phone Black person
>copy link address/link/whatever your device uses as equivalent
>paste into search bar of new tab
>delete the m before the .jpg
>enter. It should load the full size image
You forgot to tell him that if jpg doesn't work go with png.
Is that actually a thing? I'd noticed simply deleting the m didn't always work, and wasn't sure why.
Nta but a different phonehomosexual, thanks
>Phonegay
>Can't read images
Come on now
abominable phoneBlack person you ruined the internet kys yourself
is there anything Anita hasn't gotten by crying that she's not a part of it?
we're all on gamepass killing Dracula like a boss.
LOVE SHACK BABY LOVE SHACK
How is this still priced at $100?
stop asking anti-semitic questions
Microsoft doesn't give a rats ass about it
What's Redfall?
A miserable big pile of money uselessly spent
>Flop's Row
>Flopspoken
>Redflop
>Join the ACK
>all these AAA westernslops dying left and right
Nature is slowly but surely healing...
>More and more studios get bought up by M$, snoy and other large publishers
Consolidation of the market is not what I would call healing.
M$ will bow out of the market in a few years because they can't get enough people to fall for their subscription shit.
Snoy can rot in hell for letting themselves get pozzed by migrating to Commiefornia.
The less AAA westernslop there is in this world, the better.
Studios being bought means NOTHING if the games keep getting worse and worse. I enjoyed Starfield for what it was but it is by far the shittiest Bethesda title ive played (never played F:76). I have no clue how its somehow worse than 4 but it is for me.
Half of Microsoft's studios arent even doing shit
No, it's exactly why I said consolidation isn't good. All the IPs and technology will rest in hands of a few corporations. They will kill the golden egg laying goose.
Last bethshit game I've finished was 'rim and even then I felt it wasn't that great. I gave up on F4 after two hours, I've installed scatfield just to take screenshots and use it as a benchmark.
I feel like Snoy at least enforces some quality control where as M$ just doesn't give a frick.
>Snoy at least enforces some quality control
lmao
> sony movies
> sony video games
Don't they make fun of that line in the next sentence?
yeah she calls him an incel.
Big corpos will eventually fire staff and kill their studios if they won't make money. Which is a good thing. Remove the shitters, make way for better games. Bad AAA and AA games distract players with they big budgeted marketing from the good indies.
Kill shitty old studios, more people buy indies, indie developers get money and evolve to bigger studios, then make better AAA games. Natural selection at work.
Stop crying over old brands. Obsidian, Arkane, Bioware, Blizzard, etc. are shadows of their former selves. Nothing of value will be lost if you kill them, they already died years ago when key people left and the top management changed, put these reanimated automatons out of their misery.
It would be all fine and dandy if new studios were created to take the place of the old husks. But can you name a few?
Indie market is drowning in garbage it's even harder for a good game to distinguish itself.
I'm not saying this won't change but the revival can't come soon enough. But being able to see the crash of this market will be great. The cycle will start anew.
>Indie market is drowning in garbage it's even harder for a good game to distinguish itself.
It really isnt. When an actual good indie comes out it gains players pretty fricking quickly.
Flocking to FOTM is what's happening. But I'm sure I'm missing good smaller games and that's my point. So maybe you can spoonfeed me. I'm playing more remasters from Nightdive than new indie games at this point.
Realms Deep just happened, the future is bright.
(Except Ion Fury, but you can't win them all)
Phantom Fury*
Ion Fury DLC looks fine.
I need to download a bunch of those and cut off myself from the interwebs for week or two. Not being able to shitpost or feed ADHD would be great.
But I still have some games I need to finish first. 2023 is surprisingly good year for me.
>if new studios were created to take the place of the old husks
>revival can't come soon enough
Can't build a new Rome in one day.
So how are we all feeling on the 3rd Dishonored game that leaked during the whole Xbox/Activision frick up? I replayed 2 and got all achievements and think it's actually pretty fricking good sans its final level, but never bothered with Death of the Outsider.
>So how are we all feeling on the 3rd Dishonored game that leaked during the whole Xbox/Activision frick up?
Don't know, depends on who is directing it. They'll probably give it to the dude that made Deathloop unfortunately.
I wonder how they'll go from DOTO and Deathloop when they killed the series. Probably a prequel or retcon
I just want more immersive sims, Arkane is the only studio that gets them right. Hopefully this colossal failure will set their priorities right.
>Arkane is the only studio
When will you chumps learn that a studio name means nothing, the people working on it do. Most people who worked on Prey or their older games are GONE, they arent working at Arkane anymore.
How do you morons keep falling for this? Cyberpunk had over 5000 people working on it, 500 at any point in time, Obsidian as a studio was nothing but its name compared to FNV when they made Outer Worlds.
Having a genre-defining history means a company still has to have standards. Nobody is expecting Larian to fire half their current staff and start making visual novels. What a braindead take. You truly brought nothing to this conversation.
What the frick are you talking about?
>Nobody is expecting Larian to fire half their current staff and start making visual novel
Where the frick is this coming from?
Im saying you should do a modicum of research about studios rather than saying "man I hope Arkane will do better next time" when the people who made the games you loved arent even there anymore.
Other examples I left off are games like Back 4 Blood "from the creators of Left for Dead!", which actually had 2% of the staff from the Left for dead series.
Are you expecting the studio being CALLED arkane to magically make the game better you dumb Black person?
>man I hope Arkane will do better next time
That's literally not at all what I said, moron-kun. I want them to go back to making immersive sims, I was very clear about that.
>Arkane is the only studio that gets them right
Implies you think the studio should still be perceived the same way it was before 70%+ of its staff from the sims you loved left you disengenious clown.
You think they will do an immersive sim right "because they are arkane"
I think they'll do them right because so far that's the track record. I didn't like Deathloop too much but I'll still admit it was a fun immersive sim. Aside from Deus Ex which moved away from that genre a long while ago, literally not a single other company, indie dev, or franchise has made a good one.
>duhhh bro why would dishonored ever be good lol don't you know the devs that made arx left years ago????
Actual moron
I cant understand how morons like you can type out shit like:
>duhhh bro why would dishonored ever be good lol don't you know the devs that made arx left years ago????
And not understand they've completely missed the point.
Arx Fatalis was a good game, Dishonoured 1 was a good game. There was no reason to think their game wouldnt be good.
Deathloop was mediocre, Redfall is a fricking travesty. Do you get the difference between your absolutely moronic strawman and the reality of the situation?
If I hollow you out and replace you with someone's else brain but still call you moronanon, do you think everyone else would continue to assume the same things from you? Or would they realise pretty quickly "this is a different person hiding in the shell of whom I once knew"
Im not saying anything controversial here, Why do you think the new saints row was shit despite still being made by Volition? Obsidian releasing the terribly mediocre Outer Worlds despite attempting an identical game format to New Vegas? You think they just slipped up? Or there are actual fundamental issues in play?
If you actually buy anything from Arkane after this fricking mess of a game they did nothing to fix you honestly deserve the shit show you'll be fed
>Arx Fatalis was a good game, Dishonoured 1 was a good game. There was no reason to think their game wouldnt be good.
Fell face-first into my point and you're still arguing otherwise, hilarious
One situation has never given you a reason to doubt them
One situation has given you multiple reasons to doubt them
If you cannot see the difference then jump off a building
not even that anon but holy shit you are clearly a braindead moron
please tell me youre sterile and cannot reproduce
rocksteady is next
Chopping block is ready.
>Suicide Squad will be Kevin Conroys last preformance as Batman
grim
there has been more woke games flopping this year than the past 10 years. Are we finally hitting the bottom of this shitshow?
hopefully, at this point studios are actually getting shut down because their wokeshit games couldnt keep them afloat
which makes me wonder why we arent seeing ESG/Blackrock/Larry Fink conspiracies being spun in these threads, given that apparently Blackrock was providing a safety net for these projects
if that were the case why did 3 dev studios implode this year after they went the "go broke, get woke, croak" route? Why did Disney lay off thousands of its employees?
Do you not keep up with the news? ESG is shutting down. They could only burn so much money before investors got pissed.
different anon here. My money is on the "pretending to pull back on wokeshit globalhomosexual policies" claim. Don't fall for their lies.
Blackrock and State Street are less concerned with entertainment companies now and more concerned with energy, housing and agriculture. Imagine the same level of competency you have seen with the management of AAA studios now applied to basic necessities like food and electricity.
The real issue is these games were always sacrificial lambs. If you replaced all of these games' characters with a group that actually has some kind of aesthetic intent with design, you'd still get dogshit games that at least looked better. But the problem is that these studios think that they can still fall back on "If we make the game full of X's, Y's, and Z's, we can call all of our detractors Xphobes, Yphobes, and Zphobes!" and that it'd be good enough to overturn resounding negative attention. Rather than just letting the projects have more time to cook in the oven, or changing the concepts to turn it into something worth salvaging, they instead opt to just inject a lot of mass-market Good Boy points without logic or thought.
It's the video game crash we've been waiting for since 2014.
>You now remember when shills im this thread where pretending Redfall was an immersive sim because Smith said so in an interview
can someone tell me when this 'immersive sim' shit became prevalent, by which I mean the term, it's like mongolian basket weaving forum tier funposting except developers/journos take it seriously
I finally got fed up enough to google it and it's showing me tbh ex and EYE, I have never called them immersive sims in my whole fricking life, and just basing it off redfall I'd assume it to instead mean 'complete dogshit we're trying to market to morons'
People were jerking off over immersive games for at least ten years now, but I don't know when it started becoming a meme.
Immersive sim was always a meme with endless pointless discussions trying to define the term end genre and the necessary characteristics to qualify and put the seal of IS elitism. Only fools take it seriously, the rest just enjoy the games. Does it matter if Thief is a stealth-heavy immersive sim, or just a stealth action game?
They're just first person dungeon crawlers with sim elements.
Who knew that releasing hundreds of live service games would dilute the available consumer base?
And I was stupid enough to believe in this game.
Guess I’m so desperate for L4D3 I get excited for every single coop game
It wasn't made by the arkane studio in france that makes dishonored and deathloop but by their studio in austin, texas
>nerd white men make games for nerd white men
>passion projects, small teams
>money enters
>pander to the Big Three (Black folk, women, trannies) (jews are at the helm)
>no nerdy white man on team, nerdy white man also does not purchase end product
>the big three lists demands, screeches if game doesn't pander enough
>they also don't buy it
>games flop, studios close
You are here
What comes next? Will being a gamer be shunned again for good this time? It would be a blessing honestly
another woke dumpsterfire trainwreck of a shitstain release
> intentionally make awful game hoping MS see it and cancel it
> MS: jokes on you, I will release it in it's current state and it's name will be associated with you forever
>pic rel
Microsofts leaked documents showed that the game was supposed to be released in 2021 and was predicted to generate revenue for 4 years.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHHAHAAHAHHA
Did they ever add the promised 60 fps mode?
Why wasnt Harvey Smith and Dinga Bakaba fired yet?
The moment those 2 social activist were put in charge they ran the studio face first with their woke projects.
Only hope this studio has if they get that french guy back
>Literally every publication has this exact same article, all dropping today around the same time
YO, new Sony hitpiece just dropped!
>Shitty sites take content from each other
Welcome to content mills, anon
Reminder that the true threat isn't ignorant consumers or greedy executives, but the ones in government enabling them.
the republican party?
Not at all.
>Dumb Snoys don't realize this was an ESG project
Arkane Austin still exists for a reason. Sony's even stupider for spending money on these articles.
Arkane died with this dogshit but immsimchads got Shock remake and Atomic Heart in exchange
>generic multiplayer live service
>woke
>boring
kek
To be fair Dishonored 2 and Prey bombed so Microsoft had to do something with them.
They could have patched this up to be a comfy buffy vampire slayan game for halloween. They literally had 5 months to do that, what a fricking travesty. Once my 3 years sub expires I'm never buying a goy pass sub ever again.
Be fair it is on game pass, I bet it actually has like 9 players
I miss sexy women being prevalent in games.