SV VGC's first Restricted format has finally been announced. One per team, like in SwSh, and starts on May 1st. How hard do you think Miraidon and Koraidon are gonna frick the ladder up?
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SV VGC's first Restricted format has finally been announced. One per team, like in SwSh, and starts on May 1st. How hard do you think Miraidon and Koraidon are gonna frick the ladder up?
>Koraidon
Groudon is dead. It's over.
Kyogre won
Groudon matches up into Miraidon better than Koraidon does so it might legitimately be the premier sun setter to avoid having to solely rely on Flutter Mane w/ Speed Proto active to avoid the nasty speed ties.
Groudon is definitely going to be the better sun setter. Much better match up vs Miraidon, no overlapping weaknesses with Walking Wake/Raging Bolt/Roaring Moon. Koraidon might have been decent if it got literally any other type that didn't double it's Fairy weakness and add a weakness to Psychic. Flutter Mane, Zacian, Caly S, and TrickRoom Caly I will just make this meta hell for a Dragon/Fighting type.
Frick that homosexual dragon dog; does he get STAB earthquake? Didn't think so b***h
Flutter Mane also melts Korraidon, even with a booster speed.
>Future ParadoxMons finally have an Electric Terrain setter that isn't Thundurus
you never heard of Pincurchin?
are you trying to lose?
Why the frick are they going through the formats so fricking fast Jesus Christ.
Because Gen 10 has to come out in 2026 for the 30th anniversary, which means they have limited time to feature SV.
exciting
Reg F was the longest format so far; it will be four months total.
Zoomers attention span. Reg F is the best regulation to this day.
>Reg F is the best regulation to this day.
What would you say is the best VGC format? Urshifu and Flutter may have been common but they were fsr from unbeatable, TornOgre during dynamax was worse than that.
pre pokebank alola
Ah yes, the Tapu wars... I didn't care for it.
Reg F IS the best regulation to this day. Reg A/Series 1 was Dondozo and anti-Dondozo. Reg B/Series 2 was Flutter Mane and Iron Hands, Reg C was Flutter Mane and Iron Hands, but now also DNite Pao as well. Reg D brought back the genies and Urshifu. Reg E added Ogerpon, who they decided to give pre nerf Intrepid Sword to, as well as gave glide back to Rillaboom. Reg F brought back Incineroar, and introduced Raging Bolt and suddenly every other annoying OP fricker got put in check. You're going to play it slow and safe and methodically, and you're going to like it, and the large team diversity we're finally seeing is proof that the oppressive reign of things like Torn Urshifu and Dnite Pao, that hard prevent other archetypes from even existing, is finally over.
Yeah, I thought that Incin would be cancer and Raging Bolt electric Sucker Punch would be uber cancer but it actually created a nice balance and made Urshifu Rapid need to think twice before they Unga Bunga
I liked the one where everyone spammed Arcanine, was that E?
C/D. When Lando and Incin arrived it took Arcanine's job. Shame Blaze/Aqua Tauros never caught on.
>and the large team diversity we're finally seeing
no way this isn't a bot post
Any format with Urshifu by default can't be the "best" anything
In your opinion which Gen 9 format has been the best?
Series 1 or 2
Not that I think F is bad, I've probably enjoyed it more than E or D, but the old power level was still better and I just despise things like Urshifu and Tornadus.
>Legendary Competitive shit
SV is on deaths door
it's been legendary spam from the very beginning
good
>single restricted
And immediately the format is shit
Horsie!
> LETS PAINT CYCLIZAR RED AND CALL IT A NEW POKEMON !!!!!!!!!
paradox mons are a trash mistake
>Not even midway into the second year
>Already on a restricted format
Regulations are a fricking mistake.
Bring back yearly reg dex, nat dex, restricted.
the real issue is that you cant play the format you want, its so stupid i hate gf so much for this stupid pseudo competitive game its not only buggy but wack as frick, to this day after 2 years of release the fact that you cant even play the format you want its a joke, and of course i hate the competitive comunity in general 99% will proobalby only use like 3 or 4 restricted because they dont have skill to even make their own team and will polute the queue with the same no skill generic teams
This. The 3ds games did it right where there'd be regular singles, doubles, vgc and a special gimmick ruleset. Now with only singles and doubles as options the singles side gets fricked even more with how Zacian and Calyrex were running around last gen as 2/3 of your team. Its like the equivalent of allowing Mewtwo in RBY.
It's unprecedented for the 2nd year of a game to have a restricted format for Worlds, so there's a few possibilities
>Z-A will be a competitive game
>3rd year of the game will actually revert formats back and Worlds will be Reg F (there's several reasons this would be beneficial to GF/TPC)
>they're just giving everyone a big frick you and will make 2/3 worlds formats restricted
Anyway I expect the meta to suck ass, Zacian is nerfed but Calyrex/Kyogre are still moronic and the war on weather/terrain is going to be awful.
>(there's several reasons this would be beneficial to GF/TPC)
Why?
because, I will not elaborate further
People are more likely to buy the DLC sooner than later, so it makes more sense to use the legendaries as a selling point while there's actually a good reason to use them. That, and the final year is when a new gen has been announced and there's more newer players interested in competitive, so it's a better time for tournaments to have "normal" rules for the sake of spectators and outsiders.
They could also test a format where you can use 6 legendaries. With all of the games that have been released (SwSh, BDSP, PLA, and now SV), you could totally have 6 Box Legendaries on your team at this point.
ubers vgc would be interesting somewhat, just to see what non-legendaries would get picked
ZA hopefully wont be competitive with as different arceus was, it changes the games completely
>Z-A will be a competitive game
>Competetive Cart Megas
I'd be happy
>Z-A will be a competitive game
finally, turn based combat will finally die a peaceful death once Pokémon abandons it
>tfw Terapoggers will reign supreme on the VGC meta
Will it though? At the end of the day, it's still just a Normal type and you need to sacrifice your Tera opportunity to unleash it's full power.
>Firepon with perma sun
How bad is it gonna be
>I need a Hero
Wait, if they are already doing restricted formats, then does that mean shiny raidons incoming?
I'm more afraid of that horse-riding rabbit.
I'm hoping that this shows Gamefreak the problem they made and nerf Koraidon and Miraidon, especially Miraidon.
>ability to summon electric terrain to boost not only electric moves, but also it's special attack by 33% along with stab
Seriously, given them the attack/Sp.A and speed of 135 and given them abilities to get stronger from weather/terrain is insane, making so many pokemon obsolete. I like Koraidon which is why I got Scarlet, but even I think it's busted for no reason, especially from a pokemon with the BST of 670. Way too strong. How would you guys nerf them?
>How would you guys nerf them?
by buffing other pokemon.
Anon, we're talking about legendaries. And Gamefreaks aren't afraid to nerf them either, Zacian and Zamazenta
Create a Well Baked Body mischievous Fairy box legends duo.
Fairy/Ground
Fairy/Ghost
Koraidon and Miraidon are being overrated honestly. Koraidon is going to be mid and Miraidon is a decent high tier. They will have high usage with some new toy syndrome then fall off and become way less popular compared to actual meta defining restricteds like Groudon, both Caly forms, and Zacian. Their dragon typing and their speed isn't actually that amazing. CalyI will make TrickRoom dominant again, CalyS/Zacian make that speed stat look slow these days, Proto Flutter Mane with Groudon is awful for Miraidon and especially Koraidon, and a speed tie with ChienPao just rubs salt in the wound. Honestly they should gotten a small buff to speed so they can at least outspeed ChienPao. Miraidon at least has some reliable speed control when paired with Iron Bundle which is mainly why I'd say it's high tier instead of mid like Koraidon.
Does Mirai get Electro Web?
Nope. Doubt most Miraidon would run it anyways over it's other moves like Electro Drift/Draco/Dragon Pulse/Snarl/DGleam/Overheat/Volt Switch and niche tech Solar Beam for Groudon. Also almost every Miraidon team will have an Iron Bundle for the fastest Icy Wind speed control as well as the coverage Bundle offers against Groudon.
>everyone for some reason thinks Koraidon is weak in doubles
>remember that people used to think the same back when SV dropped
>reality is that Koraidon has even higher usage than Miraidon
Kek. You just slap a scarf and he beats everything. Oneshots Zacian, Zenta, Calyrex, Terapagos while providing sun.
The reg has been announced for 1 day, wdym Koraidon has higher usage.
I'm talking about what ended up happening in Singles, after people said "man Koraidon is another Zamazenta situation"
>flutter mane used draining kiss!
No1 usage regardless of your meme words.
Flutter mane does not outspeed
Photosynthesis speed, which Koraidon kindly provides with Sun
Comparing singles and doubles is pointless, Scarf is a lot harder to use in doubles especially for physical attackers in an Incineroar infested meta, it needs Clear Amulet or the ability to set up boosts. While it was a long time ago, Miraidon did comfortably beat Koraidon in the Paldea Prologue.
VGC players spam an RU pokemon? Lmao are they just cucks or does Gamefreak force them to use a starter. Either way these guys would get rocked by Iron Valiant, or even Kingambit lol. Maybe I should compete just to get some free $$$
This is a bait post
lmao have fun spamming RU you cuck Ill steamroll your Incineroar with my Walking Wake
Calyrex steamrolls
The Bikes would be better if they had a proper proto/quark boost so you can outspeed shit instead of being locked to attack
Niel Patel is hard riding Ghost Rider Calyrex in this meta. How does one counter it? Does any other current restricted answer Caly?
Personally I desperately want to run a Caly ghost with Imprison to stop other Calys but the enemy will also use tailwind ontop of t normal so how can I guarantee beating the speed tie?
>urshifu dark
>incineroar
>kingambit
All get at minimum 2hkod by specs astriel barrage, and caly can defensive tera so sucker punch isnt guranteed to fix.
Ting Lu sounds great with the flat SpA debuff, it also gets Snarl which is probably going to be the most reliable way to slow it down for a lot of dark types.. Wide Guard will also be huge in this meta since there's no stupid single target move gimmick, so I don't think the Specs set will be that good.
Reg G is the Worlds format, but yeah they will probably go back to Reg F for a few months before moving onto restricted formats again like they did for SWSH. To be honest I don't know if they'll do a banlist again, SV is already moving along fast enough without the need for filler.
Iron Jugulis, baby Yveltal.
>252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Iron Jugulis: 77-91 (38.3 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
I think this is the Iron Jugulus build Markus Stadter used to win a reg c regional, but it can be tweaked. Probably an important calc is to see how it fares coupled against a Whimsicott Moonblast. Worst case scenario you still dont have to worry about Caly getting the kill since Whimsicott attacks slower.
Good news is to outspeed Caly guaranteed, Jugulus only needs 60EVs in speed ontop of the booster speed, as long as you match tailwinds. Im wondering what item would most benifite Jugulus since he doesn't need Booster Energy and berries are out because of As One's Unnerve. Leftovers COULD work but youd need more sp defense to make it.
Why did they add this ugly fricker back into the game
Was hoping they'd do the ruleset where the top 20 of usage were banned before moving to a restricted Pokemon ruleset. So by Worlds there's a chance its the double restricted, what happens after? Do they go back to F and then eventually the top 20 banned ruleset? Will they randomly add Megas to SV during its life cycle to go with ZA?
Unfortunately players tend to stop caring after the last worlds before a new game, so by the time they have the double restricted at worlds, maybe next year, they may do a mythical format that serious competitve players will ignore.
I wouldn't be surprised if official tournaments were run with a two restricted ruleset all of the 2025 season while the battle stadium ladder did more fun things like banlist, no tera, or mythicals. It's hard to go off of Gen 8 as corona prevented most in person tournaments but I'm pretty sure Series 12 rules (two restricted) were still the official tournament rules even during the two months we had Series 13 in battle stadium.
The thing with that is that the tournament players will say they can't practice in game if the battle stadium ruleset is different. The way its currently set up is way more restrictive compared to the past like mentioned here
Holy smokeys i love set rotation like from the Pokémon TCG!
If only we had Yveltal, Id predict we'd have team cores as a rock paper scissors relationship between Miraidon, Yveltal, and Calyrex S
You need AV, otherwise it loses to other restricteds like Kyogre or Miraidon. Something like:
Iron Jugulis @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 60 SpA / 188 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Snarl
- Earth Power
- Air Slash
- Dark Pulse
Various calcs:
>252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 188 SpD Assault Vest Iron Jugulis: 44-52 (21.8 - 25.8%) -- 3% chance to 4HKO
>252+ SpA Life Orb Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 188 SpD Assault Vest Iron Jugulis: 140-165 (69.6 - 82%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 188 SpD Assault Vest Iron Jugulis in Rain: 136-162 (67.6 - 80.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252+ SpA Life Orb Turboblaze Kyurem-White Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 188 SpD Assault Vest Iron Jugulis: 159-190 (79.1 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Yes, it even lives a SE STAB Blizzard from LO Kyurem.
Interesting. Id be remissed to get rid of tailwind on a bulky pokemon that cant be affected by prankster, but I must admit this is enticing
How can I run Ass Vest Groudon without getting fricked by Intimidate?
howl gouging fire
I'm barely seeing any Miraidon. Somehow.
Was it actually a shitmon?
>This tierlist by Neil Patel
TerapagosCHADS...
Dang, so not even Tera can save Dawn Wings?
The problem with that is that it's a Tera Hog that isn't either broken (Calyrex Shadow) or gets what's basically a free turn to do whatever the frick it wants and then Teras to get a 120 BP spread move that literally cannot be resisted (Terapagos)
Pretty accurate list I think. I'd personally make a couple changes. Bump Groudon up to S and Miraidon down to lower end of A. Caly Ice should either be top of A or bottom of S. Koraidon will also likely end up closer to the ass end of B as the meta develops. I'm also not a big Rayquaza believer, I'd rather use Dragonite and save my restricted slot for Zacian instead on a Pao team.
>I'm also not a big Rayquaza believer, I'd rather use Dragonite and save my restricted slot for Zacian instead on a Pao team.
I think fug will bloom if people focus on Dragon Ascent sets. Tera Normal Extreme Speed is not worth it because Dragonite exists so it's like having a fug lite without spending your restricted slot.
Hoennchads we're so FUARKING back
The weather wars will last forever
>Neil Patel
>patel
ok paki
Tera sucks ass to play against on ladder, why bother?
>tried out a few test matches in doubles on showdown to see if my team setup is any good
>match up against an Orthworm/Grimm lead
>shed tails into Terapagos while Grimm sets up screens
>mfw Tera Shell triggers while attacking the substitute because it has full HP
>takes two hits to break the sub while it charges Calm Mind, and it still gets to tank a third Not Very Effective hit with Tera Shell before terastalising and nuking everything with Starstorm
No doubt CalyrexS, Zacian and the Bike Brothers are going to be big threats but I think people are sleeping hard on the world turtle cause this thing is a nightmare with support letting it set up.
Shed Tail is an affront to god
So I just threw together a team with Terapagos and did like 12 games with it. It seems like it does well when people don't know how to handle it (which is every new Pokemon). It's hard shut down by Taunt, Encore, Wide Guard, and anything that can break the super passive Grimmsnarl + Orthworm opener (Flutter/Chi Yu, for example). Like, it's okay. It reminds me of the Zygradre Dynamax strategies back in Gen 8. All your eggs are in that basket and the name of the game is get Zygarde set up with Coil, then Max Quake, and then slowly 1v4 the other team. When two of your Pokemon are near dead weight support and one is only good if you have a turn to setup AND use your tera on it, however, it just seems too contrived to do well over the consistency of
>click astral barrage
>bring the sun and abuse protosynthesis, chlorophyll, and +fire damage
>bring electric terrain and abuse quark drive, and +electric damage
>bring the rain and abuse swift swim and +water damage
Also, being setup oriented, Terapagos is super vulnerable to crits. Having a "I guaranteed lose 1 in 24 games through no fault of my own" lose condition doesn't really appeal to me.
I think Terapagos is gonna be way better as a mid to late game cleaner that's coming out after a mon gets KO'd. That effective free hit granted by Tera Shell (probably used for CM setup) and then being able to turn off Terrain and Weather with Terraform Zero and spamming Tera Starstorm seems really fricking good if they don't have the resources to comfortably double up into it on it's setup turn (and it could always click Protect on a potential Incin/Rilla Fake Out too, preserving it's free NVE hit for something stronger). I think a set consisting of Protect, Calm Mind, Tera Starstorm and a coverage move (EP seems tempting to get around the potentially disastrous Zacian/Zamazenta matchup when you don't get to Tera, but running that and not Dark Pulse would leave you up shit creak against Caly-Shadow) would do pretty well overall.
You still have the issue of having to tera it. You basically give up tera as an option for the rest of your team, or you give up your restricted, as regular Terapagos, while solid, is not restricted level in any way. If you're not building your team around it and picking Pokemon that will most likely not need their tera, saving it for late game clean up means your early game Pokemon are fighting at a "I can't tera even though I might need to" disadvantage. But also you know what else does good late game clean up? Calyrex, Zacian, or basically any fast restricted that can come in and OHKO anything that's at 50-70% health, and they can do it without needing to tera, and with the added flexibility of being able to be used without a setup turn and even being able to switch in earlier.
Maybe things will be different in the two restricted format. Sometimes in Series 12 you would drop a restricted for some matchups. Terapagos could be useful on a team like that. Like you have a mode that's Terapagos, another restricted, and two others, and you have a mode that's the other restricted and three others. Right now, though, putting all your eggs in the one basket just doesn't feel good.
The turtle has been way better than expected, everyone thought it would be massively shit-tier, but the same worries that made people think it would be shit-tier still apply.
Right now it's flourishing because of new toy syndrome and no one knows how to deal with it, but the real test for it will be when people learn how to deal with meme turtle teams since they're somewhat same-y and you have to go balls deep on the turtle.
IF after that the turtle still manages to do well then the turtle is actually not a shitmon.
Just wait until someone figures out how to Terapagos + Dondozo.
I feel like Groudon and Koraidon would have more competition as sun setters if it wasn't for the fact Gouging Fire is the only viable Protosynthesis mon who doesn't struggle against opposing Flutter Mane and/or Zacian with Koraidon. Groudon would probably still be the better sun setter. The fact Flutter Mane, Walking Wake, Raging Bolt, and Roaring Moon just have better type synergy with Groudon, it's rubbing salt into the wound.
I think there's a very real chance Flutter and Oger remain in their #1 and #2 spots respectively and only the rest of the top10 changes
Raging Bolt is so fricking good hnnggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Oneshot fairy Miraidon with T-Bolt under sun and electric terrain.
Choice Scarf btw
no way bro
>252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Groudon in Sun: 331-391 (97 - 114.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
Huh, not bad. I think most groudon are likely to have some defensive bulk though so this might not be too reliable.
You missed the Chien Pao.
Jolly Koraidon killa max hp Groudon.