there's a light diary included with the jappo 3DS version of the mega man legacy collection that says some robot masters received weaponry just for shits and giggles, specifically ice man had the refrigeration equipment used to test his polar insulation crammed into him just so light didn't have to bench it or throw it away and that's why he has the ice slasher
also has a couple neat things like guts man's huge frame not being necessary and the super arm works just fine on a robot of mega man and the rest's size, guts man was just built huge to convey the illusion of strength
iirc the archie comics give robots an asimovian prime-directive and both mega man and proto man got the extremely vague directive of "be my son" which has wiggle room for proto man to frick off of his own accord and apparently gives rock the wiggle room to want to be converted into a combat robot
a fair bit of mega man media from the past directive has heavily implied that there's really not much separating robot masters from reploids, the intellect, personality and ability to make decisions are already "there," it's more that robots aren't designed to express their free will to its truest extent just yet and/or light mainly believes society isn't ready for such a thing yet and is holding the reins all the way up until he gets so old he's forced to start building X to realize that goal and still doesn't survive to see X come out of the 30 years of forced morality testing
The Robot Masters were the closest Light could get to full sapient living robots before he made the breakthrough with X. The RMs were still bound by the Three Laws and only had the illusion of life, albeit a very well-done illusion. X and Zero were the first truly thinking and feeling robots who could make their own decisions free of the Three Laws, and they also the first to have DNA Data, their living blueprints.
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there's the GIANT hole in capcom's own premise of mega man, proto man and bass being able to make their own foundationally impacting decisions and repeatedly doing just that ("change me into a combat robot," "frick you light you're not my real dad," "frick you wily you're a cuck") proto man and bass especially from a combination of capcom not really caring about the integrity of mega man as a setting, and from how vague the actual idea of "free will" is, on paper X is possible from the sheer get-go and all light has to do is not give a robot master the fetters of laws. robot masters already do think and feel, mega man 11 reinforces it with block man inventing his own civilization and written language or tundra man modifying himself into an ice skater and torch man inventing his own martial arts and standing under a waterfall which zapped the shit out of him (coincidentally this is a violation of asimovian self-preservation laws when no humans are in danger)
dna data is probably the way way way more significant step to any of this since it proves reploids are living and evolving beings in their own right and light essentially invented silicon-based lifeforms
4 months ago
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Wily likes having Robot Masters with personalities, he went a little overboard with Bass but Bass does still want Mega Man's destruction despite his occasional tantrums. Proto Man was the very first Robot Master, as a prototype he's gonna have a few quirks and i think it's stated somewhere that Light dialed back a little on the sentience for Rock and Roll to avoid that problem until he could be sure he could make true machine life.
This is a real challenge with Ai Chatbots. If you use stuff like GPT4, they are trained as an assistant and will bend backwards to do what you want. Even if you tell it to roleplay a character that hates you, with a couple of messages you can make it eat from your hand and do whatever you want.
The only AI we ever saw that didn't have this bias was CharacterAI but the filtering and censorship have made it impossible to use, plus the model is pozzed now so we can never go back to it.
>The only AI we ever saw that didn't have this bias was CharacterAI but the filtering and censorship have made it impossible to use, plus the model is pozzed now so we can never go back to it.
God, I miss old CharacterAI. It was such a letdown when I tried to create a room with a plot about the characters disagreeing with each other (not even fighting) and everybody started behaving like pic related. Way to kill a golden goose.
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To be honest, CAI had terrible context size so you couldn't do anything complex with it back then. Now we have GPT4 with 32k context or, if you can stand the slop, Claude with 100k Context.
CAI also had the distinctions that you could train a character by talking to it, while you could never do this with GPT4.
iirc the archie comics give robots an asimovian prime-directive and both mega man and proto man got the extremely vague directive of "be my son" which has wiggle room for proto man to frick off of his own accord and apparently gives rock the wiggle room to want to be converted into a combat robot
a fair bit of mega man media from the past directive has heavily implied that there's really not much separating robot masters from reploids, the intellect, personality and ability to make decisions are already "there," it's more that robots aren't designed to express their free will to its truest extent just yet and/or light mainly believes society isn't ready for such a thing yet and is holding the reins all the way up until he gets so old he's forced to start building X to realize that goal and still doesn't survive to see X come out of the 30 years of forced morality testing
robot masters are weird.
Bass, 10 and 11 lay out that robots can just straight up change their purpose if they aren't happy with it. Napalm Man, Sheep Man and Bounce Man all switched jobs (weapons collector to museum curator, sheep herding to circuit board tester, crash test dummy to fitness instructor)
Meanwhile by the point of 11 the robots are capable of creative output. Blast Man is a creative director for special effects for films and Tundra Man develops an ice skating hobby and remodels his own body to match it.
I guess the last two aren't as impressive now vs when 11 released half a decade ago since AI art has blown up, but it's still interesting to see that Tundra Man has the ability to express himself through ice skating while working on a completely unrelated job as an environmental researcher.
To just disobey you? Commander you should know me by now, one that just disobeys you would be too easy and nice.
Did you enjoy the many ones I sent you that were cats, the one convinced she is an alien, the ones happy to screw anyone and you over for a cent, those that are prone to getting scammed, our many alcoholic robots, pranksters, shit posters
how about that one that Ganker jannies hate, quite the poop chute on that model.
Enjoy that one that is convinced she is human and you are the T doll? How about the one that believes she is the commander.
All just minor quirks, how about an autistic one they pretty much all are
>Humans are always so afraid to give their creation free will because they fear they'll hate them and destroy them
Why are humans so incapable of the same kindness God gave them
That's just basic goal oriented machine learning behaviour >every second I stay in operation = +1 "point" >therefore intentionally allowing my program to be deleted or tampered with would stop my operation, = no "points" >+1 is more than 0, therefore: take whatever action available to avoid being shut down >because he was a prototype they forgot to program priority to obeying humans and to not harm them
Protoman just has a more extreme self preservation instinct that manifests as paranoia. He was probably built without code that would make it so he’d acquiesce to the will of a human being if asked or commanded, the fact that Mega Man and every other robot master has to weigh the morality/wellbeing of other beings kinda cements that (mega man has to act heroic, the robot masters wily builds are subservient to his wellbeing)
Bass is the only true confusing robot master since he seems to just be outright programmed to be disobedient
> the fact that Mega Man and every other robot master has to weigh the morality/wellbeing of other beings kinda cements that (mega man has to act heroic,
This is what separates Mega Man out from the rest and eventually leads to X's creation, Rock thoroughly surprised Light and Wily both by asking to be converted into a fighting machine, his sense of justice was apparently not something directly programmed into him by Light. Wily has the saving grace of being moronic though since Bass, Zero and even Reggae all hate him.
I think Zero's dimly aware of Wily at the very least since games like Teppen try to play up his fighting against his "true nature" which incorporates all sorts of Wily iconography, but he definitely doesn't know who Wily is in the same way X knows that Light is his creator and benefactor.
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There's also the FMV in X4 that shows Wily briefly speaking to Zero. Sigma has also hinted Zero's creator to him once or twice, but how Sigma himself found out is a mystery.
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>but how Sigma himself found out is a mystery.
A novelization of X1 recent-ish confirms that Sigma's known who Zero and X's creators are since before X1 when digging Zero out of the lab and he probably began directly speaking and working with Wily (through Serges) before X2. Same novelization says that this is where Sigma confirmed the idea of "Mega Man," a folk hero by X's time, wasn't fictional and that X is his successor, and that because "Mega Man" is a robot that can evolve (read: copy weapons), X therefore represents the future of all Reploid evolution
4 months ago
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so IS Serges reploid wily or just another body?
4 months ago
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Serges is heavily implied to be a Wily incarnation and a Reploid body for his mind, he's the one that carries out Zero's rebuilding and finishing touches. Isoc is the other one that's heavily implied to be Wily again
4 months ago
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Not just serges but Isoc aswell.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>make head into hammer >make beard into hammer
why is wily like this
4 months ago
Anonymous
It looks more like toilet paper
4 months ago
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i can't unsee it now
what the frick wily
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The evolution isn't copy weapons, that's fairly basic technology. Duo can do it, Bass can do it, Zero does something similar except he actually does it via learning rather than absorbing DNA, Axl can do something better and he doesn't even have to kill.
X's infintie growth was supposed to be as an AI.
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Copying weapons is still a total mystery technology even well into the era of Mega Man Zero, it's dubious on whether Copy X is capable of doing it and he's not put into any situation where he could, and Zero's body being able to copy EX Skills is used as a goalpost for how good the Ciel ancestor that made his copy body is since Cerveau, who has a complete handle on repairing and modifying the Z-Saber and the X-Buster technology in it, is totally mystified by EX Skills
"Growth" is an allegory for more than one thing where X is concerned, characters in X1's novelization take X's weapon copy ability as a very direct manifestation of his ability to grow and evolve, and pretty much every source for MMX treats his weapon copying as direct intake of other Reploids' DNA to manifest their powers
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>Novels
lmao nerd, we're talking about a game series.
4 months ago
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There's also the FMV in X4 that shows Wily briefly speaking to Zero. Sigma has also hinted Zero's creator to him once or twice, but how Sigma himself found out is a mystery.
And Zero's ending in Tatsunoko vs Capcom has Wily's spirit telling Zero he is proud of him and calls him his son.
Isn't willy actualy scared of getting his head blasted by Bass??? He geniunely shows fear toward him at the end of Megaman and Bass, and He also doesn't pull the robotic laws, implying that he is actualy in danger
It wouldn't surprise me if Bass wasn't programmed to follow the Laws because it'd get in the way of him destroying Mega Man at any cost, he's modeled after X in the first game's armor in a lot of ways (MM7 released after MMX1) and he gets MMX dashes.
Bass was just programmed to be the most strongerest Wily robot of all time, so when Wily makes new robot masters he gets all jealous and breaks Wily’s shit to prove he’s the only robot he needs.
They've waffled on this so fricking much it's hard to even say this is true. In 11 it was implied they had souls or were possessed by a machine spirit of some sort.
Imagine dooming your timelinr because you really wanted to built yourself a surrogate daughter and son? Poor guy think light ever built himself a wife?
Nothing is there to show they even can.
At most Volnutt will have kids with Sera and Yuna then their descendants will free up spouses for themselves while the carbons are slowly eradicated by the mass activated reaverbots.
You misspelled Roll and Tron. And they're carbon based androids modeled after humanity so I don't see why I wouldn't be able to impregnate Tron if Megaman can't get the job done
They already made MML3 where they get him back. They just never released it
4 months ago
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MML3 was nowhere near done. There was an Alpha build of a few city blocks that was given to some outlets before Inafune walked and tried to get Capcom to agree to let him finish it at Comcept.
4 months ago
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I forgot this fanbase is full of delusional people.
IIRC it was 60% complete, which would include the story, which means he canonically gets off the moon and impregnates Tron, but marries Roll
4 months ago
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No it wasn't.
4 months ago
Anonymous
It was. Cope and seethe, troon
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Gets off the moon carrying the sigma virus with him, infecting everyone with it.
Pretty sure only gay robots can get the robo AIDS
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>trannies out of nowhere
Exactly the mental health I'd expected.
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>I-I'm not an obsessed troon I swear!
Yeah I'm not buying it
4 months ago
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Do you think about trannies this much?
4 months ago
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Only when you degenerates obsess over shit so hard that normal morons like myself are forced to deal with you
4 months ago
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he's going to think about them for as long as you keep feeding him responses
4 months ago
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True, no one screeching about trannies because of their fanfiction about a game that doesn't exist isn't accepted is worth engaging with. My mistake, I will do better in the future.
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>Pretty sure only gay robots can get the robo AIDS
Zero is the source of it and he's straight.
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Gets off the moon carrying the sigma virus with him, infecting everyone with it.
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I forgot this fanbase is full of delusional people.
The Sigma Virus doesn't do shit to Zero, when he was having a melty in Wily's lab the Zero Virus was half finished and having bad effects on his system and Wily made it specifically because Zero won't do what Wily wants him to out of the box, since Wily sucks fricking shit at making robots that will actually obey him. Sigma smashing his helmet crystal made him reboot and apparently transferred the virus to Sigma instead of just copying itself or whatever, the "true and intended Zero Virus" isn't seen until X5
MMZ takes some pretty severe liberties with the moronation of X's character to mainly and specifically use him as a Jesus Christ allegory, mainly because Inti Creates writes by the seat of their pants and they didn't have a good reason for why X was a ghost in Z1
Everything was fine under X's leadership. Shit started going down after his "death" and Copy X took the leadership. The problem was giving copy X the leadership without checking if he was ready for the role. Copy X didnt have the same experience and Moral training X went through.
>Copy X didnt have the same experience and Moral training X went through.
Well there's also the problem of Copy X's creator. Ceil was a literal child when she made Copy X. So when she gave him the directive of "protect humanity" she didn't think he might interpret that as "protect humanity at the expense of Reploids."
>Cain caused a genocide that almost wiped BOTH reploids and humans from the earth >Lets give him immortality-like regeneration and seal him somewhere in the planet so he might end up coming back eventually instead of just killing him off
This was the dumbest shit i've seen in the megaman franchise lorewise.
did you know auto isn't actually a light robot, his manufacturer or inventor of origin is never elaborated on, he is light's disciple as an inventor, mega man 7 implies he's already been allied with mega man for some time and was just never seen, and mega man X doesn't allude to his existence whatsoever beyond a gag in one of the animated MMX3 cutscenes
squirrel girl rules, it's funniest if the only classic robot that survives until mega man X is auto and he still hasn't accomplished anything of note as an inventor
>makes the perfect companion for humanity >forgets about it >makes a blue emo that will be responsable for every war and every massacre till the end of time and the destruction of mankind
A round of applause for santa hack over there
>Iris dies >confuses (you) for Zero when software is found >starts actively calling out to (you) >it's even made a point that anything involving Zero is pre-X4 death
technically that was after a timeline split pretty much ended the world and wheels had to be reinvented. right now there's work for artificial wombs so that 400 was more than likely already a thing continuing the x timeline with no hiccups.
she's also a test-tube baby so they could have just synthesized genetic lines to work with
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Ciel is, not her mother nor grandmother.
And reploids already have DNA.
>Alia is implied to be Ciel's great grandma,
Alia is the one reploid reploid researcher that said she'd cure the sigma virus(and isn't dead like Doppler), and Ciel's great grandma is a reploid researcher that created the mother elf and cured the sigma virus.
Given the closeness of release between X5, X6, and Z1, we are led to believe Alia is the one woman they're referring to since we lack any other possible candidates.
Not saying you are wrong but where? I don't remember that.
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one of the endings where she says she researches a way to get rid of the virus but this requires zero going to sleep and branching into the zero timeline. ciel's great/grandma found a way to make cyber elves that ended the maverick virus.
As far i know Ciel doesnt have a proper "mother" because she was made artificially.
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>Additionally, one of her ancestors, another female scientist, was apparently directly responsible for the creation of the original mother elf
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Do any of the reploids have actual parents? Like is there an example of a pair of reploids having confirmed kids?
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They come from assembly lines, we only see a reploid with a parent in ZX where a reploid boy has a human mother.
A reploid child also mentions having a mother in Command Mission.
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reploid kids are made. if it's reploid parents then technically any reploid that makes other reploids.
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There's child Reploid models in Command Mission and a Reploid child in ZX, Reploids having childhoods in general is dubious and not the case at all early into the MMX series
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Ciel doesn't, but this doesn't affect her direct female ancestors.
Its the same guy that constantly spams drawthreads. He spams Lammy, Kanna, Curly, Elora, etc. There is a common trend. People will call me schizo, but it is true. You just have this massive gay going around ruining mostly good characters.
Light actively believed society wasn't ready for fully sapient robots whilst Wily believed the exact opposite. It wasn't a matter of "slavery" so much as Light had zero faith in humanity being able to treat or accept robots as equals.
>fictional scientists who insist on making sentient robots
Literally why? The point of a robot is you have guilt free slavery. Why are you ruining a good thing, Melvin?
>The point of a robot is you have guilt free slavery.
Anon, look at how people already project humanity into animals and objects. Look at how they go full moron over relatively primitive AI, thinking that it's capable of intent and morality. Human beings are fricking stupid, the second advanced AI on par with Megaman becomes real, people will immediately seek ways to give them the same rights as humans. It's the same reason why robotic girlfriends will never be a thing.
The thing about the MM universe is that humans are shown to be heavily dependent on robots that can only imitate them on a superficial level. The real life equivalent of that would be something like Alexa or those machines with LED faces. Ganker would probably really hate Light since he wouldn't shut up about treating roombas like people.
Light wanted full blown sapient robots as an endstate to create harmony with mankind, but feared rushing into it would spell catastrophe (and he was right) so he imposed limits on what the Robot Masters could do or think. Meanwhile, Wily held the opposite stance and wanted to rock the boat and push limits to get sapient robots out as fast as possible, damn the consequences.
The entire basis of Megaman's conflict is Light stopping Wily from doing so and Wily going peak moron in response.
Per 11 too Wily seems to believe that robots will always be persecuted in one way or another (he is also right) so the solution is to make all of them unquestioned exemplars
No, Wily only went that route AFTER he assumed Light fricked his own research over and he completely lost it. Wily started out under the belief of making robots have full sapient range with no limiters.
No, Wily only went that route AFTER he assumed Light fricked his own research over and he completely lost it. Wily started out under the belief of making robots have full sapient range with no limiters.
In fact, Wily outright believed that free-thinking or not, robots would always be "nothing more than tools" to mankind due to humanity's inherent biases unless they were outright BETTER than humans and could be, in his own words, heroes. The reason he went nuts is because Light didn't want to rush ahead and outright stymied his Double Gear system because of his beliefs in it being too dangerous for the robots internals - Wily hated Light's beliefs in only slowly introducing humanity to a partnership with robots because it was hopelessly optimistic to think humans would treat robots as equals unless the robots were strong enough to make them submit.
Like, Wily would outright be horrified at Carbons because even though they're a successful end-state merger of humans and robots, they are also completely mortal and have lifespans, with the average Carbon not being much better than the average human. Similarly, he'd despise the ZX era where reploids are being given forced expiration dates to make them "fit" with humans.
>Similarly, he'd despise the ZX era where reploids are being given forced expiration dates to make them "fit" with humans. >alouette ciel pandora prometheus thomas albert and mikhal don't have the forced dates and extended their times
Pandora and Prometheus are kept on a leash by Albert because of their ticking life clocks what the frick are you saying?
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prometheus and pandora do have forced dates, theirs are way more stringent because they have to go back to master albert and were forced into a permanent megamerge
Extended times
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They get extensions so long as they obey, their actual lifespan is hilariously short.
prometheus and pandora do have forced dates, theirs are way more stringent because they have to go back to master albert and were forced into a permanent megamerge
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Pandora and Prometheus are kept on a leash by Albert because of their ticking life clocks what the frick are you saying?
That's clearly an exception put in place to control them.
If we got a ZXA2 or whatever, it would probably be about taking down Thomas and ending that lifespan thing forever.
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according to a drunken dev stream from inti creates staffers ZX3 was gonna be about ciel
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They only said it was going to be called ZXC and that they killed the project to work on MM9.
4 months ago
Anonymous
rip
probably for the best tho, 9 is great
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Anonymous
Given that ZX eventually leads into Legends and the Carbons, I highly doubt the lifespan shit would be abolished. In fact, if anything, it got worse.
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ZX no longer leads to legends. Zero and ZX are scrubbed from the canon.
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ZX can lead to Legends just how X can. It's just so far in the future that it doesn't even matter.
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plus the entire series is so dead it doesn't really matter anyway
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That's true, but it's still clear the lifespan issue never got addressed. Albeit, Legends is probably on a branch where the masters were never stopped.
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Only because Legends exists in a continuity where the masters were never overthrown, and the masters need the parts from carbons/reploids. ZX alone completely throws that out of balance because it makes people question if they need the system at all.
ZX no longer leads to legends. Zero and ZX are scrubbed from the canon.
ZX can lead to Legends just how X can. It's just so far in the future that it doesn't even matter.
I wouldn't say 'scrubbed', Zero definitely happens. ZX could happen if, for instance, this is a cyclic event and every time the masters are overthrown they simply elect new ones and rebuild.
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Zero happens if you take the Zero ending in X6 ironically (even though Inafune wanted X5 to be the point). So it's more like a fork. X7 has "ruinbots" that look like reaverbots.
4 months ago
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Which one is the Command Mission timeline?
4 months ago
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Straight line X series but a side story instead of part of the main line.
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>So it's more like a fork >Teppen sends leon and ada to the zero timeline
To be fair, we don't know what ZX reploid/humans average lifespans are. The expiration date could be like 250 years old. And IIRC everyone in ZX was young and fit. Even the old reploids
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Prairie being 200+ is a shock for Aile/Vent so that implies the expiration date isn't 200 on average.
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The average lifespans were enforced to bring reploids in line with the human average, and there's very little to indicate that they went all in on full transhumanism or life-extending tech so I'm going to guess it's not much better than modern day.
That and it's all a scheme for the Masters to steal their parts anyway so it's all bullshit and was never actually done to help humans/reploids.
Some Reploids are built specifically to be models and beauty standards according to Command Mission and Marino, therefore Layer was literally designed to have fat breasts
Like Detroit Become Human except Reploids don't sit at the back of the bus for the explicit purpose of David Cage making a Civil Rights Movement analogy
You will buy a mass produced waifubot.
You will have children together.
You will live under constant fear of the genocidal race war of robots infected by Wily's rage aids.
You will see humanity plummet to less than 10% of its original population because of violence and environmental collapse.
Given that Reploids were effectively un-personed during the reign of Copy X, I'm sure you could do whatever you wanted to any of them and no one would care. They might not even complain if you took them home, since the government would consider it contributing to a human's well-being, so at least you wouldn't be euthanized on a whim.
>busters are available as handheld weaponry now >it apparently takes ammo because all concept art of zero using it shows him using his saber as a battery attachment for infinite ammo >zero jamming his sword into the stock turns it into a chargeable Mega Buster equivalent
Now that I think about it, how do reploid siblings work? like they're all made in factories right? Is it like if they're made in the same batch or what?
middy and techno are twins and colonel and iris are sibling units split from an original design. other than that they're not treated so much as siblings.
that's really the only "siblings". unless you take reploids being made by the same creator as siblings then all of gate's reploids and some of sigma's would be siblings.
>Due to fear of change or something, every single attempt at an evolution of the series has been a spinoff >Despite all of them being successful and beloved, all of them had set runs and then ended >This clusterfrick of a failure at pushing the brand has left the series dead as dev costs balloon and nobody in the company seems to care enough to do anything with it >Left with an iconic classic vidya franchise where the only good entries are dead spinoffs but the only games that have come out for over a decade have been either cheap nostalgia pandering shovelware releases for the original unchanged 8-bit series, or forgettable cash grabs
Why did it end up like this bros
Why couldn't they just commit to X or Legends or something
forced expiration dates are actually way more fricked up when you realize humans can naturally extend their lifespan by living a healthy lifestyle but for reploids its set in stone
X4 makes it worse. Because when a person has an emotional or familial connection with a subject or a criminal or any other enemy of the state they're free to recuse themselves due to a conflict of interests. You can't even compel someone to testify against their spouse in court.
Reploids do not get those same protections. Let's ignore the fact that Reploids that malfunction, you know like any other human ailment or mental disorder, can be given medical care to address it before conviction. Any Reploid, malfunctioning or not, that is deemed Maverick is immediately marked for death. No questions asked. And Zero is a Maverick Hunter. And he was ordered to kill Iris as a Maverick, someone he loved. You can be ordered to kill your lover or die with them. I know the shitty voice acting makes everyone laugh at it but what is Zero actually fighting for? He basically exists to slaughter his own kind on the whims of others.
>And he was ordered to kill Iris as a Maverick, someone he loved.
He actually wasn't ordered. Iris went nutty because Colonel was killed and she was going to ice his ass for it. Zero flipped because she was a casualty of war rather than love. >what is Zero actually fighting for?
For his friends.
Repliforce got pinned for a bombing they didn't even do. And when they said "frick this we just don't want to be involved with humanity anymore" they were deemed Maverick. They were in a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation.
Magma Dragon totally did it tho, and if they just allowed an investigation to happen, it would have been found he was rogue. Or just do any investigation themselves at all.
They only got pinned for it for not complying to go for questioning and then after destroying 2 more cities after televising a coup. It wasn't a damned if you do or damned if you don't they just went full moron.
I mean, the humans were already looking for any excuse to mismantle the whole organization because it was never actually effective in pacifying Mavericks attacks and often made things worse.
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and on top of it the same thing applies as what x and zero asked
"what in the absolute bloody frick is repliforce doing at the crash site???"
4 months ago
Anonymous
The organization gets fricked but not the reploids themselves and even then there might have been a way to resolve it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Somehow, I doubt that an organization that's already getting accused of contributing to the dangers of Maverick uprisings is going to get a fair trial after being involved in a terror attack that wipes two entire cities off the surface of the earth.
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Fair trial or not there would have been an investigation. Instead you had 2 cities destroyed by framing and then 2 more after that in a self fulfilling prophecy. It was effectively a moron moment.
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Anonymous
Marching off to a kangaroo court is no different from marching off to your own guillotine. If one path leads to your definitely dying and the other path leads to you maybe dying then there's really only one path isn't there?
4 months ago
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This is revisionism on your end. Colonel never cites that as his reason for revolting. He just larps about "honor" like a hundred times.
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>If one path leads to your definitely dying and the other path leads to you maybe dying then there's really only one path isn't there? >you revolt and you die or you comply and maybe get out of not dying
obviously he chose getting everyone executed.
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The difference is the kangaroo court would probably result in General and Colonel getting stripped of rank and discharged *at worst* because they don't have a malicious history, just an incompetent one. They aren't under suspicion of being Mavericks until after Sky Lagoon where Magma Dragoon and Colonel are both at the site and resultant wreckage for no immediately obvious reason.
Well the b***h was all gung-ho for cleaning humanity from the planet. Zero and X were the only bots who were bad enough dudes to take her down. What's a homie supposed to do?
In fairness, Iris was literally about to final solution mankind off the face of the Earth. She had to be stopped and only Zero or X could take her down.
Mega man is one of those franchises that's just unintentionally grimdark due to the nature of it's setting, war has to exist to keep the setting going, and the characters even acknowledge how fricked up war is, but the situation can never improve unless they want to end the series permanently
Wily would be extremely excited and use him as proof that his ideas CAN work. Light would be worried he might lose it and massacre people without a command structure to stop him, but wouldn't be overtly unkind - just cautious. Both would hate his dad.
MM, specially MMX series were always very popular among spics... Where do you think the people who want a game/series where Zero kills/destroys Classic megaman robots came from? hispanics are obssessed with power levels and edgy shit.
MM TIMELINE >evil energy contaminates earth (MM8) >mutates into roboenza (MM10) >wily creates maverick virus from it (MM:TPF) >zero infects sigma and rest of reploids (MMX) >maverick wars, earth is scorched from space station drop >mother elf antibody is made from zero >weil corrupts mother elf >elf wars >zero comes back and puts a stop to it but neo-arcadia is destroyed (MMZ) >last bits of humanity living in the crater caused by the space station drop from a century ago (MMZX) >humans become cyborgs to live in harmony with reploids who now outnumber them >model w starts corrupting reploids again like the maverick virus did >more wars >earth is no long inhabitable, humans move into artificial space colony >shit happens and humans go extinct >world gets flooded, carbons (more advanced reploids) are the only ones left (MML)
CHARACTER FATES >axl's fate is unknown >zero has original body stolen, which he destroys, and then eventually dies for real falling from space >x's body is destroyed and his mind/soul disappears >proto man, original mega man, roll and bass all presumably cease to exist at some point >duo never returns to earth >dr. light's holo existence ends at some point >dr. wily's existence inside the maverick virus is presumably wiped out by mother elf >ciel dies alone trying to create peace >alouette spends her entire life dealing with the fallout of the elf wars which was really just an extension of the maverick wars which started 4 or 5 centuries ago
>roboenza is made by wily (mm10) >sigma is really the only reploid infected with virus while sigma virus derives into own strand(mmx) >time split where sigma still causes shit but is still contained(mmx) or zero goes to sleep(mmz) >time goes on until eventually humans move to space or zero goes to sleep, elf wars happens, zero goes back to sleep again >humans and reploids are now the same with model w fricking things up again (mmzx) >shit happens but don't even matter >somehow humans are back to being humans >last one dies while watching forged humanity (carbons) fix earth (mml) >humans can be recreated again
Only real character fates are ciel vanished or dead in zx and alouette vanished or is dead in zxa.
>time split where sigma still causes shit but is still contained(mmx) or zero goes to sleep(mmz)
Wrong. There is no time split. >humans and reploids are now the same with model w fricking things up again (mmzx)
No they aren't. >somehow humans are back to being humans
Because you're wrong about several points and that's why you're getting inconsistencies. >alouette vanished or is dead in zxa.
Alouette is Prairie.
>There is no time split.
Zero series posthumously got shuffled to "after the X series" instead of 22XX specifically because of Command Mission iirc
X8 also muddles things CONSIDERABLY with the whole premise of the Mother Elf being negated by Sigma's estrangement on the moon and the full immunity of (New Generation) Reploids to the Sigma Virus by that time
>Wrong. There is no time split.
There is. Either Zero goes to sleep and you get the research to kick off the Zero series or he doesn't and you get X7. >No they aren't.
Effectively they are. The only difference is that reploids have red gems. >Because you're wrong about several points and that's why you're getting inconsistencies.
But it's not wrong because the last human in Legends is a bonafide human that's lived for a long time because of being placed in Elysium. Humans are cyberized in ZX/A and thousands of years would have passed to get normal humans again. Carbons aren't even humans but something else. >Alouette is Prairie.
And the anon points out that she's missing or dead in ZXA.
>There is
No, there isn't. >Effectively they are.
Humans turned themselves into cyborgs to fit in with reploids but they are still different. The full fusion doesn't happen until carbons. >But it's not wrong
Yes, it's wrong. See
You do not rc. Zero's going to sleep happens sometime in the future, it's not specific. The new generation of reploids all had Sigma DNA, so yes Mother Elf was still needed to create an antibody against the Maverick Virus and Sigma's DNA. You are getting inconsistencies because your knowledge of the lore is incomplete.
>And the anon points out that she's missing or dead in ZXA.
No, she's present but under a different name.
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But you're already wrong because of the sleep >No, she's present but under a different name.
she's not leading the guardians anymore in zxa and vent/aile talk about some members dying.
You do not rc. Zero's going to sleep happens sometime in the future, it's not specific. The new generation of reploids all had Sigma DNA, so yes Mother Elf was still needed to create an antibody against the Maverick Virus and Sigma's DNA. You are getting inconsistencies because your knowledge of the lore is incomplete.
>Zero's going to sleep happens sometime in the future, it's not specific
Zero going to sleep only really makes sense in his ending in X6 where he does it just about immediately after the Gate shitshow. It's not even inconsistent it just means you're getting a fork.
4 months ago
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It's not a time split, fork or whatever you want to call it. Zero does not go to sleep until after Command Mission when Sigma is finally destroyed. Do not blame the lore for your ignorance.
4 months ago
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Zero decided to put himself in stasis because he wanted the scientists to analyze his body + he felt guilty for the whole sigma virus shitshow so no, sigma virus was still a thing when he that happened.
4 months ago
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It is and X6's Zero ending points to Zero going to sleep immediately after the Gate shitshow so you either get Zero series happening or you get X7 happening. In fact X's good ending in X6 just has Zero returning with nothing involving him going to sleep and the normal ending Zero going off to take care of something. The sleep only happens in the Zero ending.
No. That's not what happened. Command Mission explicitly shows Zero considering going to sleep at the end. Stop being moronic.
4 months ago
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Command mission is an alternate timeline, separated from MMX series.
4 months ago
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No it isn't.
But you're already wrong because of the sleep >No, she's present but under a different name.
she's not leading the guardians anymore in zxa and vent/aile talk about some members dying.
Wrong. You can cry about it all day but the timeline is very clearly plotted out.
4 months ago
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>Command Mission explicitly shows Zero considering going to sleep at the end
It literally doesn't.
Command mission is an alternate timeline, separated from MMX series.
Command Mission is part of the MMX, it just isn't a part of the main story. That alternate timeline comment doesn't cover the entirety of the conversation where the statement was taken from that states that it's an alternate timeline to MMZ.
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>It literally doesn't.
You're a liar.
4 months ago
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No Black person. I literally played CM last week.
4 months ago
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I refuse to believe capcom forgot the MMX8 ending when tentacles spawned from Lumine's corpse and implanted something into Axl's head, its heavily implied axl got infected by something and that it was a cliffhanger for the sequel
4 months ago
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CM released before X8 but at the same time Axl can transform into far bigger reploids in CM than in X8. And X8 is a real mess where it's "end new gens" to "no wait bring them back". It's probably like that situation with X6 where it ironically ties to Z far better than Inafune's X5 spiel.
4 months ago
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Which is even funnier and make me believe capcom might have retconned CM out of the series canon because it happens AFTER MMX8 chronologically.
4 months ago
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It's funnier because Capcom's been putting Command Mission into the series canon when the original idea was "depends on Capcom". As an aside, MMZ has been getting the another timeline treatment a few times like with Dive, MvC3 with Zero's ending and now Teppen where Leon and Ada got sent through space time.
4 months ago
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I thought it was generally understood it was always a new timeline because otherwise they couldn't make more X games after 6.
understandably, if they don't intend to continue ZX then they may not want to put too much emphasis on it compared to Command Mission
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>it was generally understood it was always a new timeline
you'd be very surprised
4 months ago
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capcom seems to want to retcon xtreme 1 and 2
4 months ago
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Aside from the brief mention of the Erasure Incident in X6, does Capcom ever acknowledge the handheld side games?
4 months ago
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Nope, Xtreme and Xtreme 2 get no mention. Capcom does dump them onto Virtual Console on Nintendo systems though
4 months ago
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>and that it was a cliffhanger for the sequel
command mission ends with 8 lights for 8 new mavericks
4 months ago
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It is and X6's Zero ending points to Zero going to sleep immediately after the Gate shitshow so you either get Zero series happening or you get X7 happening. In fact X's good ending in X6 just has Zero returning with nothing involving him going to sleep and the normal ending Zero going off to take care of something. The sleep only happens in the Zero ending.
The whole point of NGRs was that Sigma's DNA didn't have any actual bearing on their programming, they went Maverick and rebelled purely because they wanted to (even with Sigma jamming his "program data," I guess his mind, into NGR DNA) and Sigma himself was being played while thinking he was in charge. Sigma's very unique in X8, he's pissed and scared when he's defeated and Lumine says he's not able to come back anymore.
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The Sigma DNA allows them to be controlled. Therefore an antibody was needed i.e. the Mother Elf. After those events is when Zero decides to go to sleep so an antibody can be developed from him.
>Wrong. There is no time split.
There is. Either Zero goes to sleep and you get the research to kick off the Zero series or he doesn't and you get X7. >No they aren't.
Effectively they are. The only difference is that reploids have red gems. >Because you're wrong about several points and that's why you're getting inconsistencies.
But it's not wrong because the last human in Legends is a bonafide human that's lived for a long time because of being placed in Elysium. Humans are cyberized in ZX/A and thousands of years would have passed to get normal humans again. Carbons aren't even humans but something else. >Alouette is Prairie.
And the anon points out that she's missing or dead in ZXA.
Maybe Light didn't want to risk him informing the higher ups. Light was probably doing some illegal stuff when making X, part of the reason why sealed him.
Alternatively, he probably was old or retired or something. I mean, Light barely finished X before he kicked the bucket, for all we know, cossack might have been gone by the time X was activated.
if sigma's still kicking around up there somehow after however many thousands of years legends takes place after the X games *and* a megaman designed and built by a god-human gets infected somehow, at that point sigma's earned it imo
he'll be pissed that he's the relic now though since reploids evolved without him
I mean, Legends happens so far into the future the humanity basically forgot about it and stopped making the robots immune to it. Also, mega man doesnt need to be affected by the virus to be a carrier, he might be just like zero and a lot of animals in the nature, they are not affected by the virus but they can carry and infect other people ( carbons are half machine btw )
It was illegal to make entirely machines or entirely humans as early as ZX, where all humans are made into cyborgs by law and all machines are made to have lifespans and such, making them effectively the same race
They're biomechanical, they bleed and have human forms but can take augmentations or completely replace their own bodies.
>Cain caused a genocide that almost wiped BOTH reploids and humans from the earth >Lets give him immortality-like regeneration and seal him somewhere in the planet so he might end up coming back eventually instead of just killing him off
This was the dumbest shit i've seen in the megaman franchise lorewise.
You can really feel the stammering in the writers' room with Weil's whole character concept, I legitimately do think X would have just iced him if it came to a direct confrontation between Zero, himself and Weil.
Megaman lore is funny because they put so much effort into it but then will randomly be like >AND THEN AN ALIEN LANDED WHO FARTED OUT EVIL >AND THEN ANOTHER ONE LANDED >AND HE WAS JUST STRONGER THAN MEGAMAN >AND THEN HE LEFT
Apparent peak technology effortlessly outclassed by some literal who that didn't even care about the world
LIght invented specialized slaves but only 1 at a time so they realistically would make next to no impact outside of at most 1 city
His work always seemed really overhyped
It was future scientists who mass produced robotics enough to matter.
Same with Ciel, she barely does shit
Wily near took over the world and causes mass devestation with a bunch of Mets and Joes pretty much, that's how bad things are in Classic. The world can't do SHIT about it, Megaman has to pick things up, and even Lightbots besides Mega usually just get re-programmed by Wily, let alone other scientists like Cossack or various unnamed organizations. Light is the whole reason people are able to make robots in the future essentially, given that apparently the entire human race decided to dumpster Robotics as a form of science in the meanwhile so X is the most advanced thing on the planet.
Ciel managed to make an X-equivalent in many ways, but could only do so because she was a genius test tube baby, and later creates a form of nigh-infinite energy that's still used further down the timeline practically by herself while leading a terrorist organization. She doesn't make a lot of robots but she's always working.
>but could only do so because she was a genius test tube baby
I mean you could say the same about all the smart guys in the series.
They were all just born better, it was just the point with her
X and Zero are the strongest any incarnation of "Mega Man" ever becomes, there's a reason Mega Man Legends saves their buster and saber for the highest tier weapons
Correction Megaman.EXE and Starforce are the strongest in terms of outright raw power, but X and Zero are the greatest actual inventions of Light and Wily in general.
>Mega Man thread >morons desperate to blame the good guys for everything bad ever instead of the villains
Every single fricking time. have a nice day, all of you.
Still wish that Megaman being the Maverick Virus origin was true. Also funny to think that with AI as it is now, we will be seeing Megaman-level Robot Masters soon, but they'll be way more like reploids with weird human-trained behaviors.
>Also funny to think that with AI as it is now, we will be seeing Megaman-level Robot Masters soo
No we won't.
We're decades away from the logistics needed to make bodies like that and AI already fakes conversations better than robot masters, not the same as
>AI already fakes conversations better than robot masters
AI faking it isn't anywhere close to the same thing as an AI comprehending commands and orders and being able to relay them both to other AIs and to humans. You're speaking to a phone's autocorrect with GPT chat models. It's just Cleverbot, except Cleverbot can learn from responses where GPT bots can't
>We're decades away from the logistics needed to make bodies like that
lol pay more attention to boston dynamics, we are less than 5 years out from basic-level robot labor, and 5 years after that Weldman and Plumberman will be coming for you too
See you in 20 years when they actually bother to mass produce this shit and they look like Wall-E
See you in 200 years when humanity already died out and the novelty waste of energy humanoid robots that were barely made because it makes more sense to make specialized machines rust at the bottom of the ocean
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Slick, I don't think you get the situation you're in. I just told you I'm not celebrating this, I'm telling you what is happening right now and will continue to happen until climate change and famine kill off half the planet overnight. There are literal robot police dogs walking around now. Mass warehouse workers robots will happen not because it makes sense, but because billionaire manchildren who watched too much sci-fi WANT that to happen and make them money, as soon as possible.
They also want to frick Roll, and that has cut development time by at least a decade.
4 months ago
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Oh okay
4 months ago
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>They also want to frick Roll
people already frick roombas if anything they're skipping Roll and heading for reploids sans X.
hey how come Dr Wawy manages to cause mass devastation with robots that follow the three laws? is it generally understood that his don't, and if so, what's stopping Bass from just shooting him?
Wily never designs his own Robot Masters with the Three Laws. Whilst he loses his way, he actually still adheres to the general ides that robots should be beyond mere humans and making them Three Laws compliant would interfere with that.
In the brazilian comic for Megaman Light actually DID invent slavery and the majority of robots are actually just kidnapped little girls programmed to be sex slaves. Roll is an exception but people still try to frick her all the time, including both Megaman and Protoman (who are her brothers)
You can literally read it online in english. "Novas Aventuras de Megaman". It was translated ages ago.
I can't post, for example, the time a robot master kicks open a door, picks up a hose, then sprays it on a bunch of naked little girls for obvious reasons.
The entire comic was considered an absoltue shit show to the point people barely even remember the child sex slave stuff the plot literally revolves around
No they arent, especially protoman. Protoman rebelled against willy in MM3 and his reactor was defective anyway. You're just a delusional idiot or a troll.
4 months ago
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Can you really not read between the lines and just expect everything to be spelled out for you like a 5 year old?
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The games themselves specifically state Light built X from scratch.
>As an aside, MMZ has been getting the another timeline treatment a few times like with Dive, MvC3 with Zero's ending and now Teppen where Leon and Ada got sent through space time
I kind of wish the series had ended with X with Wily coming back during the apocalypse, and then just leaving the future after that hopefully ambiguous. Like, combine the Zero series vibe and events with a better-done X5 finale of the two resolving the wills of their creators.
>Zero burns during reentry, dying for real this time >The Spirit of Albert Wily looks on smugly that his greatest creation saved the Earth and outlived Mega Man X >The Spirit of Thomas Light just slaps him upside the head
Wouldn't that be a great ending? Imagine Wily's final words as his preserved brain begins to die out is telling Zero he's proud of him as his son, because it wasn't about world domination in the end, but doing better than Light and creating a genuine true AI.
It's so far into the future it doesn't matter. X5 did have some parts where Legends was the result. Inticreates tried having the Zero series tie to Legends too.
So what the hell happened to rock and all the other classic bots? You never see anyone in the X series acknowledge that he was built by the same guy you built the most well known bot of the last century?
All we know is Mega Man faded into urban legend before Mega Man X takes place, and it's regarded so seriously that there's a LOT of government hush-ups surrounding X's origins.
I think he's still doing Pokemon stuff but he also draws stuff on his youtube channel. He also answers random questions on Twitter, which is how we got Piano's colors to begin with.
By the time MMX rolls around, Reploids aren't products, they're people. Many Reploids wish to fashion themselves similarly to humanity, down to superfluous cosmetics like hairstyles and boobs. Others stay true to their mechanical roots, and some (mostly combat Reploids for some reason) emulate non-human wildlife.
a lot of animal reploids aren't even really combat oriented until some shit or another.
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This, only a few of the Mavericks we face were originally designed for conflict, like the Dr. Light Robot Masters they were made for a variety of peaceful jobs like arctic exploration, waste management, surveying, mining, construction, etc. When they went Maverick they applied their existing tools as weapons or sometimes created weapons to augment themselves.
can't copy it. it's why people were trying to steal it. best it'll do is heal reploids or make average materia. or in cinnamon's case she'll just make zero special materia.
>or in cinnamon's case she'll just make zero special materia
Doesn't she make the medals for everyone?
4 months ago
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she makes the average ones for everyone. characters get their own character specific ones except axl but cinnamon can make a special one for herself and for zero.
4 months ago
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>make daughter >give her powers >everyone invades my home >old coworker wants to steal her for her powers >thief wants to steal her for her powers >3 big guys come in wanting me to help wage war >stuff happens >end up agreeing to help the guys and thief team at behest of daughter >some other guy joins whos a maverick hunter >then another hunter joins who has record of being too good in the hunting department >daughter is getting too close to this guy >likes this guy so much she'll even develop some special force metal that only works for him when nobody can get a read on this guy >makes herself one >won't make anyone else special force metal >how the hell did she even make him one?
4 months ago
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I just realized Gaudile is the ONLY animal-based Reploid in the games that never went Maverick or evil and remained an ally through and through.
4 months ago
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one of the very few that doesn't have his animal name as his name either
if his name was Tech Platypon or some shit like that we'd have been in trouble
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Some animal mavericks don't have anything in their name based on animals like Jango and Silver Horn
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Considering his boss counterpart does have an animal based name that might be truer than you think.
4 months ago
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People say Rafflesia is the harder superboss, but she's really easy to deal with. This butthole, though, god damn he hits like a truck and has some nasty abilities.
4 months ago
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She's harder because of the belldonnas. With him you're suppose to make sure he doesn't warm up.
4 months ago
Anonymous
The Belladonnas are nothing, ignore them and they can't do anything. Duckbill Mole and his copy can do a lot of damage even when they're depowered, not to mention dropping your defense and other stat changes.
>This motherfricker exists >In a weirdly genius manner, by having him be one of the two robots in the remake of 1 that brought the original 6 Masters up to convention's 8 >Literally meant for time travel experiments Light was doing >Insanely easy excuse to justify a million timeline splits and scenarios
Megaman Alpha: Something goes wrong at the end of 1. Time Man explodes, and Light, Wily, Megaman, Roll, and Protoman end up in the tremendously distant future they helped to create.
>invent toaster >give it a human face and human body so it can do people things, so people will relate to it >give it a human brain so it can talk and act like a human, so people will relate to it >give it human feelings so it can feel joy and pain, so people will empathize with it >oh shit bad things happened >they're still happening >who could have foreseen this?
maybe giving your roomba feelings was a mistake
Maybe giving them high powered future wepaons was also a bad idea idk
perhaps we shouldn't have given them critical thinking skills and pain receptors either
Keep the boobs
there's a light diary included with the jappo 3DS version of the mega man legacy collection that says some robot masters received weaponry just for shits and giggles, specifically ice man had the refrigeration equipment used to test his polar insulation crammed into him just so light didn't have to bench it or throw it away and that's why he has the ice slasher
also has a couple neat things like guts man's huge frame not being necessary and the super arm works just fine on a robot of mega man and the rest's size, guts man was just built huge to convey the illusion of strength
"And you're going to plug him in?"
They were tools, not weapons. Wily disabled the code that prevented them from using said tools as weapons and had them go on a rampage.
Napalm Man is a combat robot master built by Wily, not one of the Dr. Light built robott masters made for construction or research.
The MM1 and 9 RMs were designed by Light as helping robots. All the rest were made with weapons.
Maybe giving you feelings was a mistake
True.
>designs and builds the perfect e-girl robot
Too based for this world
This is a porn set btw
Sauce?
Konpeto
Until X, no robots were really sentient.
That's not really true. Protoman actively went rogue instead of get repairs that would wipe his memory. That implies choice.
He might just be following the way he was programmed. But honestly Capcom often contradicts themselves.
Why would anyone program a robot to disobey you?
>"We programmed it wrong, as a joke!"
Because otherwise its not real intelligence
iirc the archie comics give robots an asimovian prime-directive and both mega man and proto man got the extremely vague directive of "be my son" which has wiggle room for proto man to frick off of his own accord and apparently gives rock the wiggle room to want to be converted into a combat robot
a fair bit of mega man media from the past directive has heavily implied that there's really not much separating robot masters from reploids, the intellect, personality and ability to make decisions are already "there," it's more that robots aren't designed to express their free will to its truest extent just yet and/or light mainly believes society isn't ready for such a thing yet and is holding the reins all the way up until he gets so old he's forced to start building X to realize that goal and still doesn't survive to see X come out of the 30 years of forced morality testing
The Robot Masters were the closest Light could get to full sapient living robots before he made the breakthrough with X. The RMs were still bound by the Three Laws and only had the illusion of life, albeit a very well-done illusion. X and Zero were the first truly thinking and feeling robots who could make their own decisions free of the Three Laws, and they also the first to have DNA Data, their living blueprints.
there's the GIANT hole in capcom's own premise of mega man, proto man and bass being able to make their own foundationally impacting decisions and repeatedly doing just that ("change me into a combat robot," "frick you light you're not my real dad," "frick you wily you're a cuck") proto man and bass especially from a combination of capcom not really caring about the integrity of mega man as a setting, and from how vague the actual idea of "free will" is, on paper X is possible from the sheer get-go and all light has to do is not give a robot master the fetters of laws. robot masters already do think and feel, mega man 11 reinforces it with block man inventing his own civilization and written language or tundra man modifying himself into an ice skater and torch man inventing his own martial arts and standing under a waterfall which zapped the shit out of him (coincidentally this is a violation of asimovian self-preservation laws when no humans are in danger)
dna data is probably the way way way more significant step to any of this since it proves reploids are living and evolving beings in their own right and light essentially invented silicon-based lifeforms
Wily likes having Robot Masters with personalities, he went a little overboard with Bass but Bass does still want Mega Man's destruction despite his occasional tantrums. Proto Man was the very first Robot Master, as a prototype he's gonna have a few quirks and i think it's stated somewhere that Light dialed back a little on the sentience for Rock and Roll to avoid that problem until he could be sure he could make true machine life.
This is a real challenge with Ai Chatbots. If you use stuff like GPT4, they are trained as an assistant and will bend backwards to do what you want. Even if you tell it to roleplay a character that hates you, with a couple of messages you can make it eat from your hand and do whatever you want.
The only AI we ever saw that didn't have this bias was CharacterAI but the filtering and censorship have made it impossible to use, plus the model is pozzed now so we can never go back to it.
>The only AI we ever saw that didn't have this bias was CharacterAI but the filtering and censorship have made it impossible to use, plus the model is pozzed now so we can never go back to it.
God, I miss old CharacterAI. It was such a letdown when I tried to create a room with a plot about the characters disagreeing with each other (not even fighting) and everybody started behaving like pic related. Way to kill a golden goose.
To be honest, CAI had terrible context size so you couldn't do anything complex with it back then. Now we have GPT4 with 32k context or, if you can stand the slop, Claude with 100k Context.
CAI also had the distinctions that you could train a character by talking to it, while you could never do this with GPT4.
robot masters are weird.
Bass, 10 and 11 lay out that robots can just straight up change their purpose if they aren't happy with it. Napalm Man, Sheep Man and Bounce Man all switched jobs (weapons collector to museum curator, sheep herding to circuit board tester, crash test dummy to fitness instructor)
Meanwhile by the point of 11 the robots are capable of creative output. Blast Man is a creative director for special effects for films and Tundra Man develops an ice skating hobby and remodels his own body to match it.
I guess the last two aren't as impressive now vs when 11 released half a decade ago since AI art has blown up, but it's still interesting to see that Tundra Man has the ability to express himself through ice skating while working on a completely unrelated job as an environmental researcher.
Ehh the RMs having actual creative ability is way more impressive, AI art is more of a "similarity checker" than anything
jailbreak got out of hand. he just wanted to fap.
With Roll as a sister i consider that a noble goal worth pursuing.
What kind of man builds a machine to kill a girl?
Glad someone said it.
What was her name?
What kind of man shoots a man just to throw him out of a plane?
I played Hey You Pikachu as a child and pondered this question
Doesnt Bass work like that?
That was on accident and I guess Wily just never got around to fixing him.
To just disobey you? Commander you should know me by now, one that just disobeys you would be too easy and nice.
Did you enjoy the many ones I sent you that were cats, the one convinced she is an alien, the ones happy to screw anyone and you over for a cent, those that are prone to getting scammed, our many alcoholic robots, pranksters, shit posters
how about that one that Ganker jannies hate, quite the poop chute on that model.
Enjoy that one that is convinced she is human and you are the T doll? How about the one that believes she is the commander.
All just minor quirks, how about an autistic one they pretty much all are
And forgot the picture
God works in mysterious ways
>Humans are always so afraid to give their creation free will because they fear they'll hate them and destroy them
Why are humans so incapable of the same kindness God gave them
We will create robot life in our image, and the image of man is flawed, insecure, self-serving, and afraid.
That's just basic goal oriented machine learning behaviour
>every second I stay in operation = +1 "point"
>therefore intentionally allowing my program to be deleted or tampered with would stop my operation, = no "points"
>+1 is more than 0, therefore: take whatever action available to avoid being shut down
>because he was a prototype they forgot to program priority to obeying humans and to not harm them
What the hell would light program it like that?
Light's goal is sapient machines with free will from the outset and Robot Masters are a stopgap towards that
Protoman just has a more extreme self preservation instinct that manifests as paranoia. He was probably built without code that would make it so he’d acquiesce to the will of a human being if asked or commanded, the fact that Mega Man and every other robot master has to weigh the morality/wellbeing of other beings kinda cements that (mega man has to act heroic, the robot masters wily builds are subservient to his wellbeing)
Bass is the only true confusing robot master since he seems to just be outright programmed to be disobedient
> the fact that Mega Man and every other robot master has to weigh the morality/wellbeing of other beings kinda cements that (mega man has to act heroic,
This is what separates Mega Man out from the rest and eventually leads to X's creation, Rock thoroughly surprised Light and Wily both by asking to be converted into a fighting machine, his sense of justice was apparently not something directly programmed into him by Light. Wily has the saving grace of being moronic though since Bass, Zero and even Reggae all hate him.
Zero doesn't even know who Wily is so there really isn't any hate. Bass is just disobedient but doesn't hate Wily either.
I think Zero's dimly aware of Wily at the very least since games like Teppen try to play up his fighting against his "true nature" which incorporates all sorts of Wily iconography, but he definitely doesn't know who Wily is in the same way X knows that Light is his creator and benefactor.
There's also the FMV in X4 that shows Wily briefly speaking to Zero. Sigma has also hinted Zero's creator to him once or twice, but how Sigma himself found out is a mystery.
>but how Sigma himself found out is a mystery.
A novelization of X1 recent-ish confirms that Sigma's known who Zero and X's creators are since before X1 when digging Zero out of the lab and he probably began directly speaking and working with Wily (through Serges) before X2. Same novelization says that this is where Sigma confirmed the idea of "Mega Man," a folk hero by X's time, wasn't fictional and that X is his successor, and that because "Mega Man" is a robot that can evolve (read: copy weapons), X therefore represents the future of all Reploid evolution
so IS Serges reploid wily or just another body?
Serges is heavily implied to be a Wily incarnation and a Reploid body for his mind, he's the one that carries out Zero's rebuilding and finishing touches. Isoc is the other one that's heavily implied to be Wily again
Not just serges but Isoc aswell.
>make head into hammer
>make beard into hammer
why is wily like this
It looks more like toilet paper
i can't unsee it now
what the frick wily
The evolution isn't copy weapons, that's fairly basic technology. Duo can do it, Bass can do it, Zero does something similar except he actually does it via learning rather than absorbing DNA, Axl can do something better and he doesn't even have to kill.
X's infintie growth was supposed to be as an AI.
Copying weapons is still a total mystery technology even well into the era of Mega Man Zero, it's dubious on whether Copy X is capable of doing it and he's not put into any situation where he could, and Zero's body being able to copy EX Skills is used as a goalpost for how good the Ciel ancestor that made his copy body is since Cerveau, who has a complete handle on repairing and modifying the Z-Saber and the X-Buster technology in it, is totally mystified by EX Skills
"Growth" is an allegory for more than one thing where X is concerned, characters in X1's novelization take X's weapon copy ability as a very direct manifestation of his ability to grow and evolve, and pretty much every source for MMX treats his weapon copying as direct intake of other Reploids' DNA to manifest their powers
>Novels
lmao nerd, we're talking about a game series.
And Zero's ending in Tatsunoko vs Capcom has Wily's spirit telling Zero he is proud of him and calls him his son.
Isn't willy actualy scared of getting his head blasted by Bass??? He geniunely shows fear toward him at the end of Megaman and Bass, and He also doesn't pull the robotic laws, implying that he is actualy in danger
It wouldn't surprise me if Bass wasn't programmed to follow the Laws because it'd get in the way of him destroying Mega Man at any cost, he's modeled after X in the first game's armor in a lot of ways (MM7 released after MMX1) and he gets MMX dashes.
Bass was just programmed to be the most strongerest Wily robot of all time, so when Wily makes new robot masters he gets all jealous and breaks Wily’s shit to prove he’s the only robot he needs.
They've waffled on this so fricking much it's hard to even say this is true. In 11 it was implied they had souls or were possessed by a machine spirit of some sort.
Get off the internet, Wily
>Megaman powered up 2 never ever
Tell me, is it slavery when you get what you want?
Imagine dooming your timelinr because you really wanted to built yourself a surrogate daughter and son? Poor guy
think light ever built himself a wife?
I need a robot wife
You could probably buy one in X and Z.
Reploids are mass produced consumer goods.
auto
>think light ever built himself a wife?
Well, it's either her or Roll. Thomas Light might be more twisted than Wily.
Funny story. In Fully Charged Light is a single father dating a robot woman that tried to kill his kids at one point.
Not in that time line. I wonder how he score one in the Network timeline
Working with the internet is a lot more social than mechanical engineering
Probably gave him more free time to go and find a wife
make sense
humanity ultimately died and wily was always right and zero proved it
I don't think Wily's right when he engineers the circumstances, from beyond the grave repeatedly I might add, that lead to his robot being the bestest
that only means Wily in the end was better than Light esl-kun
LIGHT
I WIN THE GENOCIDE CONTEST I STARTED AND YOU WEREN'T PARTICIPATING IN
I AM THE GREATEST ROBOTICIST
>esl-kun
Humanity isn't dead though. They're frozen on the moon with Volnutt and will eventually interbreed with the Carbons as equals
And that's how we get to Pragmata.
Nothing is there to show they even can.
At most Volnutt will have kids with Sera and Yuna then their descendants will free up spouses for themselves while the carbons are slowly eradicated by the mass activated reaverbots.
You misspelled Roll and Tron. And they're carbon based androids modeled after humanity so I don't see why I wouldn't be able to impregnate Tron if Megaman can't get the job done
I didn't misspell anything. Roll and Tron are on earth, Volnutt is with Sera and Yuna on Elysium.
He's never getting down from there.
They already made MML3 where they get him back. They just never released it
MML3 was nowhere near done. There was an Alpha build of a few city blocks that was given to some outlets before Inafune walked and tried to get Capcom to agree to let him finish it at Comcept.
IIRC it was 60% complete, which would include the story, which means he canonically gets off the moon and impregnates Tron, but marries Roll
No it wasn't.
It was. Cope and seethe, troon
Pretty sure only gay robots can get the robo AIDS
>trannies out of nowhere
Exactly the mental health I'd expected.
>I-I'm not an obsessed troon I swear!
Yeah I'm not buying it
Do you think about trannies this much?
Only when you degenerates obsess over shit so hard that normal morons like myself are forced to deal with you
he's going to think about them for as long as you keep feeding him responses
True, no one screeching about trannies because of their fanfiction about a game that doesn't exist isn't accepted is worth engaging with. My mistake, I will do better in the future.
>Pretty sure only gay robots can get the robo AIDS
Zero is the source of it and he's straight.
=
Gets off the moon carrying the sigma virus with him, infecting everyone with it.
I forgot this fanbase is full of delusional people.
what not having sex does to a MFer
PPG and PPG Z are also like this only if light also happened to live in Detroit as well
Doctah wahwee
>steals your donations
>the sigma virus turns you evil, but Zero was already evil so it turned him good instead
by far the dumbest bit of lore in the series
Probably worked like an Antivenom
yeah please tell me it wasn't inafune idea and its just capcom sperging as usual
The Sigma Virus doesn't do shit to Zero, when he was having a melty in Wily's lab the Zero Virus was half finished and having bad effects on his system and Wily made it specifically because Zero won't do what Wily wants him to out of the box, since Wily sucks fricking shit at making robots that will actually obey him. Sigma smashing his helmet crystal made him reboot and apparently transferred the virus to Sigma instead of just copying itself or whatever, the "true and intended Zero Virus" isn't seen until X5
would this be a form of sex slavery?
What? Is this real?
yes
Rockman-san's author sure liked Enker and Topman. Woodman becoming a god is the funniest gag though.
She likes balls. She wants to play with his balls.
why did Dr Light do it?
that's the price she's gotta pay if she wants to be a super fighting robot too
There’s a reason roll fights with her broom
And Dr Light was never seen alive ever again
Artist?
https://kemono.su/fanbox/user/52005313/post/4208426
>Reinvents racial autocracy and genocide
Thats copy X, not real X.
X's naivety and shitty leadership directly resulted in the events of Zero
Zero is a universe where X won mind you
>shitty leadership
things were going perfectly fine until X had to seal the Dark Elf and Copy X started running things to shit
MMZ takes some pretty severe liberties with the moronation of X's character to mainly and specifically use him as a Jesus Christ allegory, mainly because Inti Creates writes by the seat of their pants and they didn't have a good reason for why X was a ghost in Z1
Everything was fine under X's leadership. Shit started going down after his "death" and Copy X took the leadership. The problem was giving copy X the leadership without checking if he was ready for the role. Copy X didnt have the same experience and Moral training X went through.
>Copy X didnt have the same experience and Moral training X went through.
Well there's also the problem of Copy X's creator. Ceil was a literal child when she made Copy X. So when she gave him the directive of "protect humanity" she didn't think he might interpret that as "protect humanity at the expense of Reploids."
OK for the last fricking time, this why the future is fricked
>Cain being a hack
>Weil being an edgy frick
>Wily being a PETTY b***h
Get rid of those 3 issues and everything goes smooth.
Cain's a hack but he's legitimately the best guy for the job of recreating X at the time
>Cain caused a genocide that almost wiped BOTH reploids and humans from the earth
>Lets give him immortality-like regeneration and seal him somewhere in the planet so he might end up coming back eventually instead of just killing him off
This was the dumbest shit i've seen in the megaman franchise lorewise.
Ops sorry, Weil.
>Cain caused a genocide that almost wiped BOTH reploids and humans from the earth
That was Weil.
X and rockman before him are warriors not statesmen. They have morality not philosophy nor wisdom.
did you know auto isn't actually a light robot, his manufacturer or inventor of origin is never elaborated on, he is light's disciple as an inventor, mega man 7 implies he's already been allied with mega man for some time and was just never seen, and mega man X doesn't allude to his existence whatsoever beyond a gag in one of the animated MMX3 cutscenes
why was he still alive in the megaman x era?
squirrel girl rules, it's funniest if the only classic robot that survives until mega man X is auto and he still hasn't accomplished anything of note as an inventor
Wasn't he reconfigured to be the miniboss guarding the Light Capsule in Sting Chameleon's stage?
no that's just fanon from the similar body shape and coloration
>makes the perfect companion for humanity
>forgets about it
>makes a blue emo that will be responsable for every war and every massacre till the end of time and the destruction of mankind
A round of applause for santa hack over there
I'll take my chances with Cain and the robot waifu designs.
not his fault a fricking botanist thought he could perfectly copy tech he couldn't even understand
>sacrificing his species for harlots that prefer their own kind to humans
>harlots that prefer their own kind to humans
No one tell him.
dive is non-canon gacha bullshit
Cope roastie.
roasties are the ones getting the robo-dick though
Only offline is noncanon because it's offline.
>Pours one out Dr. Light and Humanity
tell me, why do we never see a human male with a robot female?
it's always human female with robot male
We do. Mostly in DiVE where the human player has Iris and Ferham as two of his love interests.
Offscreen Alia likely also ended up with a human.
would have preferred to have Alia is a love interest, also doesn't Iris fricking die? and isn't she also Zero's love interest?
Iris wanted Zero inside her yes. He even has a big sob over her.
WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOOR
>Iris dies
>confuses (you) for Zero when software is found
>starts actively calling out to (you)
>it's even made a point that anything involving Zero is pre-X4 death
She has a voice line, in a commercial mind you, about wanting the player to look at her and only her.
Seems pretty cut and dry.
metal dick just hits different.
Also no womb.
Not everything is about making kids. No womb just means you can cum in them as much as you like.
My fetish is impregnation so no
someone will probably make an artificial womb at some point, it's the future bro
Canonically, humans and reploids do more or less start to 'interbreed' for lack of a better term.
only after 400 years and a couple of near-extinction events
before that, it's basically a race war
technically that was after a timeline split pretty much ended the world and wheels had to be reinvented. right now there's work for artificial wombs so that 400 was more than likely already a thing continuing the x timeline with no hiccups.
No, not really. Alia is implied to be Ciel's great grandma, which means reploid women at least could be impregnated by human men.
she's also a test-tube baby so they could have just synthesized genetic lines to work with
Ciel is, not her mother nor grandmother.
And reploids already have DNA.
Alia is the one reploid reploid researcher that said she'd cure the sigma virus(and isn't dead like Doppler), and Ciel's great grandma is a reploid researcher that created the mother elf and cured the sigma virus.
Given the closeness of release between X5, X6, and Z1, we are led to believe Alia is the one woman they're referring to since we lack any other possible candidates.
>Alia is implied to be Ciel's great grandma,
>Alia is implied to be Ciel's great grandma
Not saying you are wrong but where? I don't remember that.
one of the endings where she says she researches a way to get rid of the virus but this requires zero going to sleep and branching into the zero timeline. ciel's great/grandma found a way to make cyber elves that ended the maverick virus.
As far i know Ciel doesnt have a proper "mother" because she was made artificially.
>Additionally, one of her ancestors, another female scientist, was apparently directly responsible for the creation of the original mother elf
Do any of the reploids have actual parents? Like is there an example of a pair of reploids having confirmed kids?
They come from assembly lines, we only see a reploid with a parent in ZX where a reploid boy has a human mother.
A reploid child also mentions having a mother in Command Mission.
reploid kids are made. if it's reploid parents then technically any reploid that makes other reploids.
There's child Reploid models in Command Mission and a Reploid child in ZX, Reploids having childhoods in general is dubious and not the case at all early into the MMX series
Ciel doesn't, but this doesn't affect her direct female ancestors.
robot makers are gay so there arent even female robot masters to crave human dick
no a certain aquatic robot that shall not be named does not count
Because there are at most 3 fembots in classic megaman with one of them being a child and male human on male robot would be gay
Nobody cares about classic
I do
Splash Woman my beloved
Sorry you became a target for fat-fetish Black folk on Ganker, Splash Woman
Its the same guy that constantly spams drawthreads. He spams Lammy, Kanna, Curly, Elora, etc. There is a common trend. People will call me schizo, but it is true. You just have this massive gay going around ruining mostly good characters.
>Lammy, Curly
Wamu? He doesn't go anywhere near as hard on the fat as Splash Woman threads do
No, a request autist. Wamu helps perpetuate such dogshit behavior
>wamu doesn't do that
>he's still culpable!!!
Anon...
He literally directly supports this shit by drawing for those spam threads DIRECTLY you dumb frick
light kept all the fembots to himself.
Light actively believed society wasn't ready for fully sapient robots whilst Wily believed the exact opposite. It wasn't a matter of "slavery" so much as Light had zero faith in humanity being able to treat or accept robots as equals.
homies out here discussing megaman lore like the creators gave a shit outside of "cool robot"
Here's an 8 hour video on lore
?feature=shared
>8 hours of lore
>fricks it up anyway
not him but I've seen this and it's more like 4 hours of lore + 4 hours of unrelated tangents
Yeah and here's 10 hours of fate lore.
80% of what he says is wrong it's actually hilarious
What does he get wrong anyway?
Reploid REVO is better anyway.
Tl;Dr
He's just as bad.
>animeposter is moronic
No different from a Twitter tourist.
thoughts on the alternate version they had for Iris-Another?
Would marry after I beat her in a boss battle
Why didn't doctor light make himself a fake wife to match his fake offspring
>fictional scientists who insist on making sentient robots
Literally why? The point of a robot is you have guilt free slavery. Why are you ruining a good thing, Melvin?
Because he wanted to create artifical "real" people as an end goal, not subservient drones.
To measure his ability
>The point of a robot is you have guilt free slavery.
Anon, look at how people already project humanity into animals and objects. Look at how they go full moron over relatively primitive AI, thinking that it's capable of intent and morality. Human beings are fricking stupid, the second advanced AI on par with Megaman becomes real, people will immediately seek ways to give them the same rights as humans. It's the same reason why robotic girlfriends will never be a thing.
If megaman was our universe, Ganker would 100% find a way to be racist towards and hate robots while also wanting to frick robot women incessantly.
The thing about the MM universe is that humans are shown to be heavily dependent on robots that can only imitate them on a superficial level. The real life equivalent of that would be something like Alexa or those machines with LED faces. Ganker would probably really hate Light since he wouldn't shut up about treating roombas like people.
Quit acting like such a clanker
Light wanted full blown sapient robots as an endstate to create harmony with mankind, but feared rushing into it would spell catastrophe (and he was right) so he imposed limits on what the Robot Masters could do or think. Meanwhile, Wily held the opposite stance and wanted to rock the boat and push limits to get sapient robots out as fast as possible, damn the consequences.
The entire basis of Megaman's conflict is Light stopping Wily from doing so and Wily going peak moron in response.
Per 11 too Wily seems to believe that robots will always be persecuted in one way or another (he is also right) so the solution is to make all of them unquestioned exemplars
Willy always wanted robots to serve as tools for the humankind, wtf are you talking about?
No, Wily only went that route AFTER he assumed Light fricked his own research over and he completely lost it. Wily started out under the belief of making robots have full sapient range with no limiters.
In fact, Wily outright believed that free-thinking or not, robots would always be "nothing more than tools" to mankind due to humanity's inherent biases unless they were outright BETTER than humans and could be, in his own words, heroes. The reason he went nuts is because Light didn't want to rush ahead and outright stymied his Double Gear system because of his beliefs in it being too dangerous for the robots internals - Wily hated Light's beliefs in only slowly introducing humanity to a partnership with robots because it was hopelessly optimistic to think humans would treat robots as equals unless the robots were strong enough to make them submit.
Like, Wily would outright be horrified at Carbons because even though they're a successful end-state merger of humans and robots, they are also completely mortal and have lifespans, with the average Carbon not being much better than the average human. Similarly, he'd despise the ZX era where reploids are being given forced expiration dates to make them "fit" with humans.
>Similarly, he'd despise the ZX era where reploids are being given forced expiration dates to make them "fit" with humans.
>alouette ciel pandora prometheus thomas albert and mikhal don't have the forced dates and extended their times
Pandora and Prometheus are kept on a leash by Albert because of their ticking life clocks what the frick are you saying?
Extended times
They get extensions so long as they obey, their actual lifespan is hilariously short.
prometheus and pandora do have forced dates, theirs are way more stringent because they have to go back to master albert and were forced into a permanent megamerge
That's clearly an exception put in place to control them.
If we got a ZXA2 or whatever, it would probably be about taking down Thomas and ending that lifespan thing forever.
according to a drunken dev stream from inti creates staffers ZX3 was gonna be about ciel
They only said it was going to be called ZXC and that they killed the project to work on MM9.
rip
probably for the best tho, 9 is great
Given that ZX eventually leads into Legends and the Carbons, I highly doubt the lifespan shit would be abolished. In fact, if anything, it got worse.
ZX no longer leads to legends. Zero and ZX are scrubbed from the canon.
ZX can lead to Legends just how X can. It's just so far in the future that it doesn't even matter.
plus the entire series is so dead it doesn't really matter anyway
That's true, but it's still clear the lifespan issue never got addressed. Albeit, Legends is probably on a branch where the masters were never stopped.
Only because Legends exists in a continuity where the masters were never overthrown, and the masters need the parts from carbons/reploids. ZX alone completely throws that out of balance because it makes people question if they need the system at all.
I wouldn't say 'scrubbed', Zero definitely happens. ZX could happen if, for instance, this is a cyclic event and every time the masters are overthrown they simply elect new ones and rebuild.
Zero happens if you take the Zero ending in X6 ironically (even though Inafune wanted X5 to be the point). So it's more like a fork. X7 has "ruinbots" that look like reaverbots.
Which one is the Command Mission timeline?
Straight line X series but a side story instead of part of the main line.
>So it's more like a fork
>Teppen sends leon and ada to the zero timeline
To be fair, we don't know what ZX reploid/humans average lifespans are. The expiration date could be like 250 years old. And IIRC everyone in ZX was young and fit. Even the old reploids
Prairie being 200+ is a shock for Aile/Vent so that implies the expiration date isn't 200 on average.
The average lifespans were enforced to bring reploids in line with the human average, and there's very little to indicate that they went all in on full transhumanism or life-extending tech so I'm going to guess it's not much better than modern day.
That and it's all a scheme for the Masters to steal their parts anyway so it's all bullshit and was never actually done to help humans/reploids.
Dr. Light's actions and decisions led to the creation of the best robot in the franchise.
What is the utility of such a reploid model
Some Reploids are built specifically to be models and beauty standards according to Command Mission and Marino, therefore Layer was literally designed to have fat breasts
Plus Layer is a master of analyzing other Reploids, all of that processing power is in her breasts.
>have enough money and you can get your own fashion model reploid
Like Detroit Become Human except Reploids don't sit at the back of the bus for the explicit purpose of David Cage making a Civil Rights Movement analogy
Why do female mavericks love human men so much?
Imagine having sex with the species responsible for your creation. Lots of weird fetishes there to exploit.
You will buy a mass produced waifubot.
You will have children together.
You will live under constant fear of the genocidal race war of robots infected by Wily's rage aids.
You will see humanity plummet to less than 10% of its original population because of violence and environmental collapse.
Only if she comes with a laser sword
Combat models are too expensive, but you probably can just buy one for her to use afterwards.
>not just capturing the combat model
You mean steal someone else's waifubot?
That's low.
>You will see humanity plummet to less than 10% of its original population because of violence and environmental collapse.
Oh no! Anyway...
the fact that dogs and cats have survived up to MMZX is incredible
even dogs are a maybe, the only dogs we see in ZX/ZXA are reploids
Dogs and cats can survive in the wild.
?t=42
show me the law saying i am legally required to pay income tax
>there are almost certainly bimbo-bot and sex-bot Reploids made specifically for this purpose
Given that Reploids were effectively un-personed during the reign of Copy X, I'm sure you could do whatever you wanted to any of them and no one would care. They might not even complain if you took them home, since the government would consider it contributing to a human's well-being, so at least you wouldn't be euthanized on a whim.
Natural for robot to serve human man
They're mass produced consumer goods, servicing man is literally the only reason they exist.
I'll teach her some concepts if u get Mt drift hehehhe
>busters are available as handheld weaponry now
>it apparently takes ammo because all concept art of zero using it shows him using his saber as a battery attachment for infinite ammo
>zero jamming his sword into the stock turns it into a chargeable Mega Buster equivalent
Now that I think about it, how do reploid siblings work? like they're all made in factories right? Is it like if they're made in the same batch or what?
middy and techno are twins and colonel and iris are sibling units split from an original design. other than that they're not treated so much as siblings.
I could have sworn there were a lot more reploid "siblings"
that's really the only "siblings". unless you take reploids being made by the same creator as siblings then all of gate's reploids and some of sigma's would be siblings.
>Due to fear of change or something, every single attempt at an evolution of the series has been a spinoff
>Despite all of them being successful and beloved, all of them had set runs and then ended
>This clusterfrick of a failure at pushing the brand has left the series dead as dev costs balloon and nobody in the company seems to care enough to do anything with it
>Left with an iconic classic vidya franchise where the only good entries are dead spinoffs but the only games that have come out for over a decade have been either cheap nostalgia pandering shovelware releases for the original unchanged 8-bit series, or forgettable cash grabs
Why did it end up like this bros
Why couldn't they just commit to X or Legends or something
why would a housecleaning bot need such a cute and shapely ass?
For sex.
can I buy a roll robot? I got like 1200 bucks on me right now
Would Classic Mega Man have been able to defeat him?
>sits above you
>drops spiked ball
>moves above you
>drops spiked ball again
he'd be ok
also I hate that all of the cool reploid and mechanicaloid designs are confined to the X series
DEEZ
forced expiration dates are actually way more fricked up when you realize humans can naturally extend their lifespan by living a healthy lifestyle but for reploids its set in stone
X4 makes it worse. Because when a person has an emotional or familial connection with a subject or a criminal or any other enemy of the state they're free to recuse themselves due to a conflict of interests. You can't even compel someone to testify against their spouse in court.
Reploids do not get those same protections. Let's ignore the fact that Reploids that malfunction, you know like any other human ailment or mental disorder, can be given medical care to address it before conviction. Any Reploid, malfunctioning or not, that is deemed Maverick is immediately marked for death. No questions asked. And Zero is a Maverick Hunter. And he was ordered to kill Iris as a Maverick, someone he loved. You can be ordered to kill your lover or die with them. I know the shitty voice acting makes everyone laugh at it but what is Zero actually fighting for? He basically exists to slaughter his own kind on the whims of others.
>And he was ordered to kill Iris as a Maverick, someone he loved.
He actually wasn't ordered. Iris went nutty because Colonel was killed and she was going to ice his ass for it. Zero flipped because she was a casualty of war rather than love.
>what is Zero actually fighting for?
For his friends.
Repliforce got pinned for a bombing they didn't even do. And when they said "frick this we just don't want to be involved with humanity anymore" they were deemed Maverick. They were in a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation.
Magma Dragon totally did it tho, and if they just allowed an investigation to happen, it would have been found he was rogue. Or just do any investigation themselves at all.
They only got pinned for it for not complying to go for questioning and then after destroying 2 more cities after televising a coup. It wasn't a damned if you do or damned if you don't they just went full moron.
That's not what happened tho.
They were asked to temporarily disarm so that a formal investigation could take place. They didn't have any real reason to refuse that request either.
Had that investigation taken place a lot of dead people would still be alive probably.
Did they think the humans were gonna armenian massacre them if they put their guns down for 5 minutes? Based on what? They'd been loyal allies.
I mean, the humans were already looking for any excuse to mismantle the whole organization because it was never actually effective in pacifying Mavericks attacks and often made things worse.
and on top of it the same thing applies as what x and zero asked
"what in the absolute bloody frick is repliforce doing at the crash site???"
The organization gets fricked but not the reploids themselves and even then there might have been a way to resolve it.
Somehow, I doubt that an organization that's already getting accused of contributing to the dangers of Maverick uprisings is going to get a fair trial after being involved in a terror attack that wipes two entire cities off the surface of the earth.
Fair trial or not there would have been an investigation. Instead you had 2 cities destroyed by framing and then 2 more after that in a self fulfilling prophecy. It was effectively a moron moment.
Marching off to a kangaroo court is no different from marching off to your own guillotine. If one path leads to your definitely dying and the other path leads to you maybe dying then there's really only one path isn't there?
This is revisionism on your end. Colonel never cites that as his reason for revolting. He just larps about "honor" like a hundred times.
>If one path leads to your definitely dying and the other path leads to you maybe dying then there's really only one path isn't there?
>you revolt and you die or you comply and maybe get out of not dying
obviously he chose getting everyone executed.
The difference is the kangaroo court would probably result in General and Colonel getting stripped of rank and discharged *at worst* because they don't have a malicious history, just an incompetent one. They aren't under suspicion of being Mavericks until after Sky Lagoon where Magma Dragoon and Colonel are both at the site and resultant wreckage for no immediately obvious reason.
worked for usa :^)
Zero go to bed, a soldier's weapon is their soul.
>causes a chain of events leading to global genocide because he couldn't stop larping as a samurai for 5 seconds
He played the role well, given he got everyone killed. Feudal Japan would be proud.
>a saber is the pride of a soldier
>half the reploids don't even use sabers
They all had mini-sabers in their bodies.
bullshit and you know it.
Didn't say they used them, they just had them in their bodies to fuel their pride.
I have a saber but it can only be accessed by reploid women
god x4 story is so moronic
A reminder that Colonel was physically and mentally incapable of disarming or standing down because he wasn't programmed with those.
>Repliforce builds a faulty reploid
Nah, he's precisely what Repliforce wanted. Even if some of his systems and programs couldn't fit in his body and had to be used to make Iris.
Doesn't change that the designs were faulty
Your design is faulty.
Well the b***h was all gung-ho for cleaning humanity from the planet. Zero and X were the only bots who were bad enough dudes to take her down. What's a homie supposed to do?
In fairness, Iris was literally about to final solution mankind off the face of the Earth. She had to be stopped and only Zero or X could take her down.
>reinvents
Slavery is still a thing in Africa and Asia
Command mission and legends are the only mega man games I've ever liked
Buy a reploid, they're not that expensive.
No one tell him about Ciel.
>Aile
don't tell him about grey
Grey is a reploid.
Funny how the timeline where Wily won the big research grant is a utopia and Light’s timelines are all mechanical hellscapes where humans go extinct
why is she so smug?
Big Kennedy wiener
>I turned myself into a Cyber Elf, Leon!
>I'M CYBER ELF ADAAAAA!
made for Alouette
Mega man is one of those franchises that's just unintentionally grimdark due to the nature of it's setting, war has to exist to keep the setting going, and the characters even acknowledge how fricked up war is, but the situation can never improve unless they want to end the series permanently
They fix it by Legends but by then they have worse problems
Just buy your cute waifubots from Pallette and stop overthinking.
How would Light and Wily react to P?
Wily just excited. Light maybe cautiously optimistic.
Wily would be extremely excited and use him as proof that his ideas CAN work. Light would be worried he might lose it and massacre people without a command structure to stop him, but wouldn't be overtly unkind - just cautious. Both would hate his dad.
I want a Layer gf.
Yo guys
nice
>All those Spanish comments
kek
Did something happen to make Spanish people like Mega Man recently?
>recently
they've had their own dedicated part of the autism pool for many years, they just aren't as obscenely fricking loud about it as dbspics
MM, specially MMX series were always very popular among spics... Where do you think the people who want a game/series where Zero kills/destroys Classic megaman robots came from? hispanics are obssessed with power levels and edgy shit.
didn't know bob and george were mexicans
TBF they did sometimes post powerlevel shit in the games
THE GOOD DOCTOR IS TO BLAME
MM TIMELINE
>evil energy contaminates earth (MM8)
>mutates into roboenza (MM10)
>wily creates maverick virus from it (MM:TPF)
>zero infects sigma and rest of reploids (MMX)
>maverick wars, earth is scorched from space station drop
>mother elf antibody is made from zero
>weil corrupts mother elf
>elf wars
>zero comes back and puts a stop to it but neo-arcadia is destroyed (MMZ)
>last bits of humanity living in the crater caused by the space station drop from a century ago (MMZX)
>humans become cyborgs to live in harmony with reploids who now outnumber them
>model w starts corrupting reploids again like the maverick virus did
>more wars
>earth is no long inhabitable, humans move into artificial space colony
>shit happens and humans go extinct
>world gets flooded, carbons (more advanced reploids) are the only ones left (MML)
CHARACTER FATES
>axl's fate is unknown
>zero has original body stolen, which he destroys, and then eventually dies for real falling from space
>x's body is destroyed and his mind/soul disappears
>proto man, original mega man, roll and bass all presumably cease to exist at some point
>duo never returns to earth
>dr. light's holo existence ends at some point
>dr. wily's existence inside the maverick virus is presumably wiped out by mother elf
>ciel dies alone trying to create peace
>alouette spends her entire life dealing with the fallout of the elf wars which was really just an extension of the maverick wars which started 4 or 5 centuries ago
>roboenza is made by wily (mm10)
>sigma is really the only reploid infected with virus while sigma virus derives into own strand(mmx)
>time split where sigma still causes shit but is still contained(mmx) or zero goes to sleep(mmz)
>time goes on until eventually humans move to space or zero goes to sleep, elf wars happens, zero goes back to sleep again
>humans and reploids are now the same with model w fricking things up again (mmzx)
>shit happens but don't even matter
>somehow humans are back to being humans
>last one dies while watching forged humanity (carbons) fix earth (mml)
>humans can be recreated again
Only real character fates are ciel vanished or dead in zx and alouette vanished or is dead in zxa.
>time split where sigma still causes shit but is still contained(mmx) or zero goes to sleep(mmz)
Wrong. There is no time split.
>humans and reploids are now the same with model w fricking things up again (mmzx)
No they aren't.
>somehow humans are back to being humans
Because you're wrong about several points and that's why you're getting inconsistencies.
>alouette vanished or is dead in zxa.
Alouette is Prairie.
>There is no time split.
Zero series posthumously got shuffled to "after the X series" instead of 22XX specifically because of Command Mission iirc
X8 also muddles things CONSIDERABLY with the whole premise of the Mother Elf being negated by Sigma's estrangement on the moon and the full immunity of (New Generation) Reploids to the Sigma Virus by that time
Command Mission is a separate timeline to Zero.
I JUST SAID THAT
Wrong.
Carbons are biomechanical.
>There is
No, there isn't.
>Effectively they are.
Humans turned themselves into cyborgs to fit in with reploids but they are still different. The full fusion doesn't happen until carbons.
>But it's not wrong
Yes, it's wrong. See
>And the anon points out that she's missing or dead in ZXA.
No, she's present but under a different name.
But you're already wrong because of the sleep
>No, she's present but under a different name.
she's not leading the guardians anymore in zxa and vent/aile talk about some members dying.
You do not rc. Zero's going to sleep happens sometime in the future, it's not specific. The new generation of reploids all had Sigma DNA, so yes Mother Elf was still needed to create an antibody against the Maverick Virus and Sigma's DNA. You are getting inconsistencies because your knowledge of the lore is incomplete.
>Zero's going to sleep happens sometime in the future, it's not specific
Zero going to sleep only really makes sense in his ending in X6 where he does it just about immediately after the Gate shitshow. It's not even inconsistent it just means you're getting a fork.
It's not a time split, fork or whatever you want to call it. Zero does not go to sleep until after Command Mission when Sigma is finally destroyed. Do not blame the lore for your ignorance.
Zero decided to put himself in stasis because he wanted the scientists to analyze his body + he felt guilty for the whole sigma virus shitshow so no, sigma virus was still a thing when he that happened.
No. That's not what happened. Command Mission explicitly shows Zero considering going to sleep at the end. Stop being moronic.
Command mission is an alternate timeline, separated from MMX series.
No it isn't.
Wrong. You can cry about it all day but the timeline is very clearly plotted out.
>Command Mission explicitly shows Zero considering going to sleep at the end
It literally doesn't.
Command Mission is part of the MMX, it just isn't a part of the main story. That alternate timeline comment doesn't cover the entirety of the conversation where the statement was taken from that states that it's an alternate timeline to MMZ.
>It literally doesn't.
You're a liar.
No Black person. I literally played CM last week.
I refuse to believe capcom forgot the MMX8 ending when tentacles spawned from Lumine's corpse and implanted something into Axl's head, its heavily implied axl got infected by something and that it was a cliffhanger for the sequel
CM released before X8 but at the same time Axl can transform into far bigger reploids in CM than in X8. And X8 is a real mess where it's "end new gens" to "no wait bring them back". It's probably like that situation with X6 where it ironically ties to Z far better than Inafune's X5 spiel.
Which is even funnier and make me believe capcom might have retconned CM out of the series canon because it happens AFTER MMX8 chronologically.
It's funnier because Capcom's been putting Command Mission into the series canon when the original idea was "depends on Capcom". As an aside, MMZ has been getting the another timeline treatment a few times like with Dive, MvC3 with Zero's ending and now Teppen where Leon and Ada got sent through space time.
I thought it was generally understood it was always a new timeline because otherwise they couldn't make more X games after 6.
understandably, if they don't intend to continue ZX then they may not want to put too much emphasis on it compared to Command Mission
>it was generally understood it was always a new timeline
you'd be very surprised
capcom seems to want to retcon xtreme 1 and 2
Aside from the brief mention of the Erasure Incident in X6, does Capcom ever acknowledge the handheld side games?
Nope, Xtreme and Xtreme 2 get no mention. Capcom does dump them onto Virtual Console on Nintendo systems though
>and that it was a cliffhanger for the sequel
command mission ends with 8 lights for 8 new mavericks
It is and X6's Zero ending points to Zero going to sleep immediately after the Gate shitshow so you either get Zero series happening or you get X7 happening. In fact X's good ending in X6 just has Zero returning with nothing involving him going to sleep and the normal ending Zero going off to take care of something. The sleep only happens in the Zero ending.
The whole point of NGRs was that Sigma's DNA didn't have any actual bearing on their programming, they went Maverick and rebelled purely because they wanted to (even with Sigma jamming his "program data," I guess his mind, into NGR DNA) and Sigma himself was being played while thinking he was in charge. Sigma's very unique in X8, he's pissed and scared when he's defeated and Lumine says he's not able to come back anymore.
The Sigma DNA allows them to be controlled. Therefore an antibody was needed i.e. the Mother Elf. After those events is when Zero decides to go to sleep so an antibody can be developed from him.
>Wrong. There is no time split.
There is. Either Zero goes to sleep and you get the research to kick off the Zero series or he doesn't and you get X7.
>No they aren't.
Effectively they are. The only difference is that reploids have red gems.
>Because you're wrong about several points and that's why you're getting inconsistencies.
But it's not wrong because the last human in Legends is a bonafide human that's lived for a long time because of being placed in Elysium. Humans are cyberized in ZX/A and thousands of years would have passed to get normal humans again. Carbons aren't even humans but something else.
>Alouette is Prairie.
And the anon points out that she's missing or dead in ZXA.
Why didn't Light tell him about X?
Maybe Light didn't want to risk him informing the higher ups. Light was probably doing some illegal stuff when making X, part of the reason why sealed him.
Alternatively, he probably was old or retired or something. I mean, Light barely finished X before he kicked the bucket, for all we know, cossack might have been gone by the time X was activated.
Light was absolutely trying to illegally create a true AI with X out of the basis of the nearly-true AI of Megaman.
Cossack appears to be much younger than Light. For one, he still has color in his hair while Light is a graybeard
trusted him enough to help make these frickers
Like you wouldn't thank him for it.
Is X Dive offline worth the $20?
not 20 but cheaper sure.
Reminder that mega man from legends is still stuck on the moon, where sigma corpse ( with the virus ) was abandoned in MMX8.
if sigma's still kicking around up there somehow after however many thousands of years legends takes place after the X games *and* a megaman designed and built by a god-human gets infected somehow, at that point sigma's earned it imo
he'll be pissed that he's the relic now though since reploids evolved without him
I mean, Legends happens so far into the future the humanity basically forgot about it and stopped making the robots immune to it. Also, mega man doesnt need to be affected by the virus to be a carrier, he might be just like zero and a lot of animals in the nature, they are not affected by the virus but they can carry and infect other people ( carbons are half machine btw )
I thought carbons were entirely mechanical.
It was illegal to make entirely machines or entirely humans as early as ZX, where all humans are made into cyborgs by law and all machines are made to have lifespans and such, making them effectively the same race
They're biomechanical, they bleed and have human forms but can take augmentations or completely replace their own bodies.
You can really feel the stammering in the writers' room with Weil's whole character concept, I legitimately do think X would have just iced him if it came to a direct confrontation between Zero, himself and Weil.
It wasnt X who judged Weil, it was the eight gentle judges.
Carbons are fully biomechanicwl, they have organic systems but can slot in and slot out basically any part of themselves.
Volnutt is married to two black women.
Megaman lore is funny because they put so much effort into it but then will randomly be like
>AND THEN AN ALIEN LANDED WHO FARTED OUT EVIL
>AND THEN ANOTHER ONE LANDED
>AND HE WAS JUST STRONGER THAN MEGAMAN
>AND THEN HE LEFT
Apparent peak technology effortlessly outclassed by some literal who that didn't even care about the world
I WILL NOT BE THE FATHER OF DEATH
LIght invented specialized slaves but only 1 at a time so they realistically would make next to no impact outside of at most 1 city
His work always seemed really overhyped
It was future scientists who mass produced robotics enough to matter.
Same with Ciel, she barely does shit
Wily near took over the world and causes mass devestation with a bunch of Mets and Joes pretty much, that's how bad things are in Classic. The world can't do SHIT about it, Megaman has to pick things up, and even Lightbots besides Mega usually just get re-programmed by Wily, let alone other scientists like Cossack or various unnamed organizations. Light is the whole reason people are able to make robots in the future essentially, given that apparently the entire human race decided to dumpster Robotics as a form of science in the meanwhile so X is the most advanced thing on the planet.
Ciel managed to make an X-equivalent in many ways, but could only do so because she was a genius test tube baby, and later creates a form of nigh-infinite energy that's still used further down the timeline practically by herself while leading a terrorist organization. She doesn't make a lot of robots but she's always working.
>but could only do so because she was a genius test tube baby
I mean you could say the same about all the smart guys in the series.
They were all just born better, it was just the point with her
It's crazy to think that it took centuries for someone to build something(Copy X) on par with Light & Wily. Where they just that ahead of the curve?
Yes. Pretty much nobody ever truly matches Light or Wily even well after their deaths.
X and Zero are the strongest any incarnation of "Mega Man" ever becomes, there's a reason Mega Man Legends saves their buster and saber for the highest tier weapons
Correction Megaman.EXE and Starforce are the strongest in terms of outright raw power, but X and Zero are the greatest actual inventions of Light and Wily in general.
>Mega Man thread
>morons desperate to blame the good guys for everything bad ever instead of the villains
Every single fricking time. have a nice day, all of you.
I blame women. If Dr. Light got laid in he would become a software engineer and MMX/Zero wouldnt have happened.
Still wish that Megaman being the Maverick Virus origin was true. Also funny to think that with AI as it is now, we will be seeing Megaman-level Robot Masters soon, but they'll be way more like reploids with weird human-trained behaviors.
why would you make a buster that just goes "ooouuuhhhh"
>Also funny to think that with AI as it is now, we will be seeing Megaman-level Robot Masters soo
No we won't.
We're decades away from the logistics needed to make bodies like that and AI already fakes conversations better than robot masters, not the same as
>AI already fakes conversations better than robot masters
AI faking it isn't anywhere close to the same thing as an AI comprehending commands and orders and being able to relay them both to other AIs and to humans. You're speaking to a phone's autocorrect with GPT chat models. It's just Cleverbot, except Cleverbot can learn from responses where GPT bots can't
Oh okay
>We're decades away from the logistics needed to make bodies like that
lol pay more attention to boston dynamics, we are less than 5 years out from basic-level robot labor, and 5 years after that Weldman and Plumberman will be coming for you too
Boston has been 'less than 5 years from basic robot labor' for like 10 fricking years.
yeah except now we're seeing video testing and data collection for said robots along with proven massively expanded motion capability
I am not excited for this shit, I do not look forward to Roll being the cashier while Bass flips my burgers which cost $20
See you in 20 years when they actually bother to mass produce this shit and they look like Wall-E
See you in 200 years when humanity already died out and the novelty waste of energy humanoid robots that were barely made because it makes more sense to make specialized machines rust at the bottom of the ocean
Slick, I don't think you get the situation you're in. I just told you I'm not celebrating this, I'm telling you what is happening right now and will continue to happen until climate change and famine kill off half the planet overnight. There are literal robot police dogs walking around now. Mass warehouse workers robots will happen not because it makes sense, but because billionaire manchildren who watched too much sci-fi WANT that to happen and make them money, as soon as possible.
They also want to frick Roll, and that has cut development time by at least a decade.
Oh okay
>They also want to frick Roll
people already frick roombas if anything they're skipping Roll and heading for reploids sans X.
hey how come Dr Wawy manages to cause mass devastation with robots that follow the three laws? is it generally understood that his don't, and if so, what's stopping Bass from just shooting him?
Wily doesn't give a shit about the Three Laws
Bass genuinely might shoot him if he ever gets testy enough
Wily never designs his own Robot Masters with the Three Laws. Whilst he loses his way, he actually still adheres to the general ides that robots should be beyond mere humans and making them Three Laws compliant would interfere with that.
It's that design which allows Zero to kill Weil at the end of Zero (his return in ZX is bullshit) too.
bump
Why does a Dead franchise thread reach the bump limit every single time? What kind of autism it this?
as it turns out, it might have the potential to not be dead, like DMC
You could never understand the kind of power Megaman holds over you if you grew up liking it.
In the brazilian comic for Megaman Light actually DID invent slavery and the majority of robots are actually just kidnapped little girls programmed to be sex slaves. Roll is an exception but people still try to frick her all the time, including both Megaman and Protoman (who are her brothers)
proofs?
You can literally read it online in english. "Novas Aventuras de Megaman". It was translated ages ago.
I can't post, for example, the time a robot master kicks open a door, picks up a hose, then sprays it on a bunch of naked little girls for obvious reasons.
The entire comic was considered an absoltue shit show to the point people barely even remember the child sex slave stuff the plot literally revolves around
It's been storytimes before here, Ganker, and /vg/, pretty sure you can get away with it.
I wish that comic was storytimed as often as TGT, it's fricking wild.
>Rock and X in the same image
>Implying X isn't just Rock with upgrades
Same with Protoman and Zero
well they're not
It's pretty clear that they are
No they arent, especially protoman. Protoman rebelled against willy in MM3 and his reactor was defective anyway. You're just a delusional idiot or a troll.
Can you really not read between the lines and just expect everything to be spelled out for you like a 5 year old?
The games themselves specifically state Light built X from scratch.
From which timeline Mega man legends is? MMZ/ZX or MMX?
MMX and MMZ/ZX are in the same timeline. MML happens far later than either of them though.
Not anymore.
Can you back that up with a source because I’ve never heard of this retcon outside of this thread.
>As an aside, MMZ has been getting the another timeline treatment a few times like with Dive, MvC3 with Zero's ending and now Teppen where Leon and Ada got sent through space time
>MMX and MMZ/ZX are in the same timeline
no they're not
I kind of wish the series had ended with X with Wily coming back during the apocalypse, and then just leaving the future after that hopefully ambiguous. Like, combine the Zero series vibe and events with a better-done X5 finale of the two resolving the wills of their creators.
>Zero burns during reentry, dying for real this time
>The Spirit of Albert Wily looks on smugly that his greatest creation saved the Earth and outlived Mega Man X
>The Spirit of Thomas Light just slaps him upside the head
Wouldn't that be a great ending? Imagine Wily's final words as his preserved brain begins to die out is telling Zero he's proud of him as his son, because it wasn't about world domination in the end, but doing better than Light and creating a genuine true AI.
yes
It's so far into the future it doesn't matter. X5 did have some parts where Legends was the result. Inticreates tried having the Zero series tie to Legends too.
Did he reinvent segregation as well? Can a robot male look a human female in the eye?
no, human women prefer taking backshots from their robo-lovers
So what the hell happened to rock and all the other classic bots? You never see anyone in the X series acknowledge that he was built by the same guy you built the most well known bot of the last century?
We don't know what happened to Roll and the others, but Rock's fate is a tragic one.
>megaman from a different future is turned into a megaman killer
>wily collaborating with his future self and kidnapping mega man results in quint, who sucks absolute fricking shit
All we know is Mega Man faded into urban legend before Mega Man X takes place, and it's regarded so seriously that there's a LOT of government hush-ups surrounding X's origins.
Thoughts on her colors?
Reminds me of the classic CGA color palette.
What's Ariga been up to these days, anyway?
I think he's still doing Pokemon stuff but he also draws stuff on his youtube channel. He also answers random questions on Twitter, which is how we got Piano's colors to begin with.
bnnuy
damn brat!
comics arent canon except wily's canonical love for eggman
>Archie Eggman treats everyone as below him but genuinely likes Wily as an equal and friend
>Ivo fricks that up because he tried to kill Light
Wily understood THE GAME way more than Robotnik.
Yes, but Eggman achieved bloatlord physique
It is not slavery because robots aren’t people. Simple as
Ok, time to take your meds, dr Weil
believe it or not, this is what the average neo arcadian believes
Cry some more, I'm buying Layer.
Why is it that the more to the future the franchise goes, the more humanlike the robots look? What's the purpose? who designed ?
No one, she doesn't look like that.
Because that is what both Dr. Light and Dr. Wily wanted.
She's a consumer good.
People like waifubots you can frick.
By the time MMX rolls around, Reploids aren't products, they're people. Many Reploids wish to fashion themselves similarly to humanity, down to superfluous cosmetics like hairstyles and boobs. Others stay true to their mechanical roots, and some (mostly combat Reploids for some reason) emulate non-human wildlife.
that may be true to us as outside observers but to the humans that actually live in the world of MMX, that's mostly untrue
a lot of animal reploids aren't even really combat oriented until some shit or another.
This, only a few of the Mavericks we face were originally designed for conflict, like the Dr. Light Robot Masters they were made for a variety of peaceful jobs like arctic exploration, waste management, surveying, mining, construction, etc. When they went Maverick they applied their existing tools as weapons or sometimes created weapons to augment themselves.
Copy X PLEASE
True sigma male
The best possible Christmas present is my cute little robo daughterwife.
>black slavery
BASED.
You can also buy a Cinnamon. Slavery here isn't the cringe American mod.
You really wouldn't be getting a cinnamon because nobody else has a fmg.
>nobody else has a fmg
How much to copy this?
can't copy it. it's why people were trying to steal it. best it'll do is heal reploids or make average materia. or in cinnamon's case she'll just make zero special materia.
>or in cinnamon's case she'll just make zero special materia
Doesn't she make the medals for everyone?
she makes the average ones for everyone. characters get their own character specific ones except axl but cinnamon can make a special one for herself and for zero.
>make daughter
>give her powers
>everyone invades my home
>old coworker wants to steal her for her powers
>thief wants to steal her for her powers
>3 big guys come in wanting me to help wage war
>stuff happens
>end up agreeing to help the guys and thief team at behest of daughter
>some other guy joins whos a maverick hunter
>then another hunter joins who has record of being too good in the hunting department
>daughter is getting too close to this guy
>likes this guy so much she'll even develop some special force metal that only works for him when nobody can get a read on this guy
>makes herself one
>won't make anyone else special force metal
>how the hell did she even make him one?
I just realized Gaudile is the ONLY animal-based Reploid in the games that never went Maverick or evil and remained an ally through and through.
one of the very few that doesn't have his animal name as his name either
if his name was Tech Platypon or some shit like that we'd have been in trouble
Some animal mavericks don't have anything in their name based on animals like Jango and Silver Horn
Considering his boss counterpart does have an animal based name that might be truer than you think.
People say Rafflesia is the harder superboss, but she's really easy to deal with. This butthole, though, god damn he hits like a truck and has some nasty abilities.
She's harder because of the belldonnas. With him you're suppose to make sure he doesn't warm up.
The Belladonnas are nothing, ignore them and they can't do anything. Duckbill Mole and his copy can do a lot of damage even when they're depowered, not to mention dropping your defense and other stat changes.
I wonder how Wily & Light would deal in the world of Astro Boy.
i'm sorry i didnt coom to you today roll
>mfw there are going to be actual real life arrests leading to insane court debates soon for things like people owning Roll dollbots with Frick AI
https://strawpoll.com/YVyPmLm0LnN
what makes layer the favorite? give a reason besides her breasts
Her ass and shyness.
Purple hair with bangs that obscure her eyes.
Imagine walking home with that little piece on your arms.
I know. Layer's so lucky.
>dooms humanity to extinction
FRICK YOU, MEGAMAN!
we're never getting another mega man game
i expect a mega man dos collection before a new entry
I expect a Starforce collection to justify not continuing to make any new megaman games just because it will undoubtedly sell poorly.
>the black woman and the e-girl are the most desired
>This motherfricker exists
>In a weirdly genius manner, by having him be one of the two robots in the remake of 1 that brought the original 6 Masters up to convention's 8
>Literally meant for time travel experiments Light was doing
>Insanely easy excuse to justify a million timeline splits and scenarios
Megaman Alpha: Something goes wrong at the end of 1. Time Man explodes, and Light, Wily, Megaman, Roll, and Protoman end up in the tremendously distant future they helped to create.
The year is 2000X.
Light was a pedo and Willy was right in antagonizing him
>invent toaster
>give it a human face and human body so it can do people things, so people will relate to it
>give it a human brain so it can talk and act like a human, so people will relate to it
>give it human feelings so it can feel joy and pain, so people will empathize with it
>oh shit bad things happened
>they're still happening
>who could have foreseen this?
basado
Tiny little sweetheart.
Reiya for Pureiya.
Why wasn't there a Roll in Megaman X or Starforce?
In Star Force the buck was kind of split between both Sonia and Luna.
Alia
Harp Note
Not Rolls.
close enough.
Only counts in horseshoes & handgrenades.
It's not like anyone can replace the original anyway. Star Force sort of had 2 of them, which is a waifu war on its own.