Remember when fighting types actually looked like martial artists instead of my mom's animals? What went wrong?
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Remember when fighting types actually looked like martial artists instead of my mom's animals? What went wrong?
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>implying every single genwun fighting type wasn't also just men in clothes
every single genwun fighting type wasn't also just men in clothes
Um excuse me, these are obvious humans! Don't you see the different skull shapes and proportions!
Hitmonlee doesn't even have a head.
I wasn't aware humans had 3 fingers and no toes, or that they were red and blue muppets.
But enough about your sexual preferences.
yeah, talking about yours.
Gen V had Throw and Sawk which is two best fighting type designs in the series but y’all cried cause you couldn’t catch pikachu and CHARIZARD so enjoy your nugen designs lmao
>Gen V had Throw and Sawk which is two best fighting type designs in the series
>Two funny coloured humans in clothes.
>I want more humanoid designs!
>ew not those
all standards go out the window when it’s time to hate gen 5
>all standards go out the window when it’s time to hate gen 5
There's a fine line between how much humanoid is acceptable and how much isn't. They look like men with bodypaint.
Not really. If Gamefreak presented them as human characters instead of as new Pokemon everybody would think they look moronic
Slither Wing can stand up and the Muskedeers are based around fencing (which is a fighting style), but yes, the rest have no business being Fighting type.
Slither Wing is the best mon in OP's pic. I love it!
>Fighting bull
>Not fighting type
>Slither Wing can stand up
>Slither Wing can stand up
frick it, i'll take the bait. how does this make it a fighting type
Because it’s literally in a martial arts stance when you look at its idle animation and its white fur combined with this resembles a gi. It’s literally a martial artist who goes quadruped to travel.
If you look at how it moves, it's based on old Tokusatsu monsters that usually were played by martial artists in rubber outfits. It's especially noticeable with Ultraman kaijus.
Sure, but "how it moves/stands" and "its fur resembles a gi" is different reasoning than "it stands up". I don't even dislike Slither Wing, but most pokemon are capable of standing up
>iberian region
>fighting-type bulls
buddy you're dumber than a post. pic related
I'm sure this bull can assume a fighting stance, then, right
Or are you just moronic and illiterate?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Fighting_Bull
it's a fighting bull, it is almost always in a "fighting stance" because that is its nature. Surely I don't need to also link you to the article on bullfighting, an activity which is classified as a mix of sport and performing art, both of which have been used to justify prior Fighting types, and most importantly is a sport in which the bull is viewed as an equal competitor and is afforded equal respect, valor, and recognition to the matador? It's a fighting-type bull because it is a Fighting Bull. Quit being stupid.
Why is it fighting type
It can stand up
???
I remember some like 6 months ago someone had the theory the female director was a dyke and he hated seeing anything masculine like anthro figthing types
Idk how far they can realistically stretch the martial arts theme without it getting tiresome (if not already) but I do agree there's been a lot of leeway given to new Pokes getting Fighting type slapped on with wild abandon
>Had to pick the worse options to make his trash genwun mon look better
Toppest kek
I think that they expanded the fighting type so it doesn't just mean martial art skills, but also just pure power. It's why you've got things like Great Tusk, Slither Wing and Tauros getting the fighting type.
i'm fairly sure in the case of great tusk and slither wing is just reverting back in caveman state where they're just big and dumb but incredibly strong
Slither Wing is pure kino, keep coping and seething
Bottom ones are better though? I hate humanoid mons
Animalgays complained too much, so now Fighting types must be "literally my mom's animal".
>Slither wing
Bug
>Flamigo
Normal/Flying
>Tauros
Normal/Dark
>Great Tusk
Ground
>Keldeo
Water/Psychic
>ERM WHY ISN'T THIS GROUND TYPE MADE OUT OF ROCKS AND SOIL???
moron
I prefer animalistic Pokemon so this is a good thing
Top
>All just punchy/kicky humanoids
Bottom
>A Moth that has forgone flight (or possibly is yet to develop it) in order to specialise into stronger limbs, with the type being used to illustrate this
>A flamingo that literally fights using kicks and also resembles a boxing glove. The pinker a flamingo is the more aggressive it is.
>Bull fighting
Side note you are a fricking moron if you can’t handle that
>Honestly I agree Tusk is kind of a stretch but it’s still a more powerful and aggressive creature compared to Donphan
>Keldeo is literally a sword fighter
Honestly I’m glad Fighting-type is starting to use more esoteric concepts, it’s easily been one of the most boring types for years because it’s been Pokémon based on humans or other animals in the shape of humans using human martial arts.
My theory is that because autistic people love patterns, it causes a significant distress when types don’t fit into perfect neat boxes.
Holy shit you're right, this happens all the time in this board.
Top ones are better. I hate nu-gen Pokemon
>Remember when fighting types actually looked like anthro shit?
Good thing that changed
>Fighting Types then
You can actually tell why they're fighting types in particular based on their design and stance.
>Fighting Types now
Uh, it's mean, I guess?
Remember when you could tell exactly what type a pokemon was just by looking at it?
and when the designs weren't complete dogshit? I miss gens 1-2
>Remember when you could tell exactly what type a pokemon was just by looking at it?
No, that's literally never been the case. In fact, gen 1 was quite notorious for that, though in some cases it was a cultural barrier like Gyarados being a Flying type.
Not that it matters when Gyarados barely has any flying type moves to use
>Remember when you could tell exactly what type a pokemon was just by looking at it?
Implying that's ever happened.
>Machamp, Hitmonchan
...
>Blaziken, Sawk
NOOOOO, TOO HUMANOID
>Slither Wing, P-Tauros
NOOOOO, TOO ANIMALISTIC
>What went wrong?
genwunners existing
>Blaming Blaziken to be too humanoid but saying nothing onbMachamp
There's no way...
Also Genwunners will be thrashing on Sawk because it's from Gen 5 and you know it
yeah, also
>Conkeldurr, Throh and Sawk exist
NOOOOO WHY DO YOU HAVE TO """IMITATE""" KANTO!???
>Flamigo, Great Tusk and Cobalion exist
BUT WHY CAN'T YOU DO THINGS LIKE KANTO!???
Past Volcarona is so fricking based, I'd trade Hitmonchan for it any day. I like its design and moveset.
The rest are useless. Flamingo is one of the blandest designs ever, Keldeo looks like a moronic off-brand toy. Donphan but spikes is meh, its shape looks wrong.
Anons always hated fighting types for being disgusting soulless humanoid boring fricks. Now when they do something interesting, anons hate it because new = bad, and automatically the very thing you hated became good because old = good. I swear you’re such fricking contrarian autistic mentally disabled morons it’s unreal.
Sorry, I can't hear you over all that fricking Game Freak wiener you're throating. lol
Pathetic shill.
Recolored animal =/= interesting.
The only well designed Fighting type by these (reasonable) standards is Blaziken.
moronicboomer-senpai, do you think only humans fight?
Do you think Fighting-type is just "fighting"?
>fighting should imply humanoids
Yes, that is exactly what you just said. Imagine being this far up your own butthole
I'm sorry you're illiterate but yes, the point of Fighting-type (かくとう, hand-to-hand fighting) is that it's based around particular styles of fighting and martial arts that are practiced by humans, so yes, it is natural for them to be humanoid. And yes, it's nonsensical for a quadruped elephant monster to be Fighting-type.
You can cry about it, but you'll never be able to grasp this with the smell of Ohmori's wiener clouding your mind. Maybe stop being a homosexual and you'll learn how to argue.
>particular styles of fighting and martial arts that are practiced by humans
uhh sorry westoid but real asian kenpo arts are taken from animals like crane and mantis so yeah you lost kekaroo
Uh huh, and the point of pokemon is that they are post-apocalyptic monsters that appeared on Earth one day. What's that? Now they're just animals? And now the fighting type is more than just men in clothes? Huh. Your parents probably had an original idea on what their son would be like, but now he autistically screeches anonymously on the internet over and over about outdated information.
>Seething mass replier
kek
Yeah, your lack of an argument is funny.
>Old jobmons good
>New jobmons bad
pick a fricking lane
You don't get the "jobmon" complaint at all
Elaborate for me then, jobmon understander
>primape's fists are literally shaped like boxing gloves
Are you fricking moronic?
oh silly me i seem to have forgotten that the fricking boognish is meant to represent boxing my mistake lads
I honestly don´t know why Palafin, the actual superhero Pokemon, isn´t part fighting, but generic cartoon flamingo is. Isn´t dark weak to fighting because fighting is kind of the superhero and justice type? I get that would make Palafin even more broken, but still.
Palafin is supposed to blend in with Finizen and it'd give itself away if it was a different type.
If that was the intention, then wouldn´t it make sense to make zero form mono water and hero form mono fighting?
Straight up would have mogged Quaquaval if that were the case. Granted, it sort of already does that even with the mono typing.
wait the moth is a fighting type? they just completely gave up
OP, you make good points, but also please stop being such a defensive crybaby about it.
Flamigo looks like a boxing glove and kicks, so it's a fighting type. P-Tauros is a fighting bull so it's a fighting type. Slither Wing can stand up and punches you in the face so it's a fighting type. The other two, though? They're a bit of a stretch, sure.
My point is: it's nothing new that some mons are designed based on concepts and not strictly and literally on their types. Just accept this and stop being a biased little b***h; your vision is as clouded as the other anons in this thread and you don't even realize it.
>Flamigo looks like a boxing glove
this isn't communicated in the design in the slightest and it's a cope people use to try and justify the typing just like the "uhhh dedenne is actually based on a tooth fairy" nonsense.
Nta, but look at the shape of its beak and tell me it doesn't resemble a boxing glove.
>Flamigo looks like a boxing glove and kicks, so it's a fighting type.
Biggest reach so far.
>Flamigo looks like a boxing glove and kicks
Firstly, no. Secondly, so do a shitton of other mons.
>P-Tauros is a fighting bull
How the frick is that a fighting style/martial art?
>Volcarona clone can stand up and punch
So can so many other mons, wow.
And no, design choices should mean things. It's just lazy as frick to not even put any effort into having coherent mechanical + in-universe reasoning.
Educate yourself westoid.
What does this have to do with a bull being Fighting-type?
Are you trolling on purpose or what?
>Shitna
What does it have to do with Spanish bull breeding?
>Muh boxing glove cope
i thought boomers hated humanoid mons now they're complaining about them not being humanoid?
Overly humanoid Fighting types get boring, and anyway as the picture itself proves, animals with a Fighting Type existed even in Gen1 so I don't understand the complaint.
Primeape is an ape-pig hybrid that throws punches.
Poliwrath is a buff Poliwhirl that throws punches.
Neither of the oldest Generations follow the "only humanoid Pokemon can be Fighting Type" logic.
Heracross is half Fighting Type and you wouldn't really guess it from its design alone.
>Primeape is an ape-pig hybrid that throws punches.
>Poliwrath is a buff Poliwhirl that throws punches.
Both have hands that look like gloves + Primate has metal weights for training.
Heracross is based on Japanese rhinoceros beetle, which are used for Insect fighting.
>Heracross is half Fighting Type and you wouldn't really guess it from its design alone.
everyone knows these days the johto dex designs are flawed
Subtly isn’t a flaw moron-kun
it actually is
see Beta Octillery vs Official Octillery for example
and, subtlety and omission are two different things
Blaziken's gi is (somewhat) subtle; the gi is not omitted, forcing to you to look up Bulbapedia trivial to get its inspiration
Octillery’s cannon theme is obvious in it name and level up moves yet subtle (not omitted) in its design, forcing to you to look up Bulbapedia trivial to fully get its inspiration
it wasn't just a cannon theme moron-kun
>pokemon weartng clothes and jobs
thanks for show how pokemon always had shit moronic designs since day 1
Slither Wing is the best fighting type we've had in years, what are you talking about?
Slitherwing is unironically close to becoming my favorite Pokemon
Same, it's a well-designed variant of an already well-designed Pokemon.
wait what? the volcarona is a fighting type too???? it already shocked me the sneasel was one. im convinced they just stick them onto designs now cause they want more fighting types without designing any.
They just want more unique type combos because they know npcs love them. That's it. It doesn't excite the masses to have another Normal/Flying, so just slap Fighting-type on it for no reason.
Then why isn't Slither Wing a Dragon type instead?
>They just want more unique type combos
>Slither wing isn't bug/dragon
>bug/dragon
>Weak to rock, flying, ice, fairy, dragon and poison
>loses a resistance to Fire
Why do you want something that's going to be so DOA, it's not even funny? Much less want to cripple some really good designs with that combo?
>B-BUT IT HAS WEAKNESSES!!!
so?
Grindr's better for bugchasing homosexual. Leave pokémon alone.
What would you call Fighting? I always thought it needed something that lends the impression the type is one who are masters of their body, peak physical performers. What would you even change it to?
I personally would make Fighting Yang and Dark Yin. Makes fighting types "heroes" and dark types "villains" which closely fits the idea without resorting to hack naming concepts like "light" or "good/evil". Resorting to yin and yang, while slightly cringe due to using non-english words, is a succinct, clean way to convey the point. Make Psychic cosmic and you're good to go.
>What would you call Fighting? I always thought it needed something that lends the impression the type is one who are masters of their body, peak physical performers. What would you even change it to?
Brawn Type
You people are fricking moronic. It already means essentially "martial arts" in Japanese.
And Fighting-type being the "hero" type is the most contrived shit ever.
>Missing the point this hard
The issue is that the morons at Gamefreak made a physical and mental type
Then the absolute
moronS
Made physical and special stats
So now you have psychic coping by being "le telekinesis and cosmic(?) Powers" and fighting literally being "it just does martial arts LUL" when Fighting was supposed to be something SUITED for fighting, you know, battling. Normal was Pokemon that were mundane, otherwise unspecial.
Modern design muddied this so much you missed the point. The exercise was to somehow reclaim fighting's bizarre physical prowess features without being able to use the ONE word that would do it best - physical.
>Hero is the most contrived shit ever
Yeah gee I wonder what other common trope exhibits
>Unnatural physical abilities
>Regimented training
>Emphasis on strength and valor across the entire type
Just because comic morons have muddied the use of the word hero doesn't make heroic creatures anything else.
Why do Fighting/Dark types exist then, go ahead, pull something out of your ass so I can laugh at it
Fighting type was a catch-all for martial-arts inspired Pokemon. Then the split happened, and one generation later it became an identity of nothing.
Dark type was literally invented to check Psychic/Ghost, and was meant to be evil. They originally had some weird shit planned where Normal was "good" in the dichotomy, and was super-effective against dark. GF ALSO was exploring the loose idea of good and evil, just as I did above. Except now it makes MORE sense, as the martial arts identity is faltering. I may have been off base with assigning it Yang, but the notion that the fighting type is one of honor / training / growth is not farfetched.
thank god keldeo replaced pawmot, what a disgrace of an excuse of a pikaclone.
all mogged by Blaziken
Consider the following: both are good
>"remember when fighting types were copy-pasted cosplaying humies"
Thank frick they're starting to make monsters and not just bruce lee rip-offs now.
An elephant is not a fighting type, it can't perform any kind of martial art
Normal type shouldn't have existed. They should all be fighting.
hitmonchan is literally the only bad pokemon design before gen 3
If we ignore magmar, jinx, mr mime, poliwrath, and stantler, sure.
magmar is one of the best monster designs in the entire series, sorry it's not a disney channel mascot
anyone who dislikes Jynx is a moron
Nope
holy kek the mental gymnastics nu-Pokemon redditors go through to defend their shitmon is insane. No one knows who the Pokemon on the bottom line are except the Volcarona clone who is worse than Volcarona in every way
Aren't SV like the 3rd highest selling Pokemon games after RBGY and GSC?
I believe it's fourth after RBY, SwSh, and GSC
Yeah it sells worse than RBGY. Now guess which gen the top row is. Gen 1 will always be the best no matter what
>Red/Green/Blue
31.05mill sales
>Gold/Silver
23.73mill sales
>Sword/Shield
25.82mill sales
>Scarlet/Violet
22.10mill sales
So basically sales go RGB>SS>GS>SV, but SV will probably overtake GS by the end of the year/start of next year. I know it’s wonky that RGB technically counts five games (Jap Red/Green, Jap Blue, International Red/Blue) but we don’t know the numbers purely for the mix of Jap Red/Green and Int Red/Blue which is a fairer comparison and realistically that combo has probably still sold more than the other games in the series.
Bottom is unironically better, humanoid mons are trash tier designs
Fighting types by definition have to be humanoid, because non-humanoids can't perform martial arts. The type's entire entity is "they fight like humans do"
I love Mienshao because it's the best of both worlds. It just sucks how coomers ruined that fricking thing for me.
Same, Mienshao is still one of the coolest, I also like Urshifu a lot, they still feel like animalistic monsters while also being masters of a martial art
Looked up all the fighting types on Pokemondb and it's amazing how fighting types has had a consistent theme from gen 1 to 7 but suddenly the Switch games get super zesty with the Pokemon designs
I think it worked with the swords of justice since Fighting types feel more heroic.
Hitmonchan and hitmonlee are some of the ugliest designs in the franchise, especially the former
>instead of my mom's animals?
>my mom's (insert thing here)
what does this mean?
Fighting is muddled as shit these days, they'll slap a secondary fighting onto anything. Ghost is getting there, too.
Fighting type has lost its identity. Also reminder that this is what counts as a punching move in the current year.
Headlong Rush is a reference to sumo wrestling. Might be why Tusk is a Fighting type too.
Somehow this is a Ground type move. Got to spice up from the earthquake monotony but still
The Fighting type's loss identity coincides with when they started giving Close Combat to quadrupeds and even fish. The original animation clearly conveyed that it's a flurry of punches and kicks, but now it can be any sort of close range attack.
All of it stems from the obsession with slapping coverage moves on mons they don't fit on for no other reason than every homosexual needing perfect coverage on every mon. Types stop mattering when almost everything learns whatever the players feel makes the mon more convenient to use rather than what makes sense for the mon to have.
More examples of people that prioritise convenience over everything else ruining the series.
started in gen 1
You say this but in Close Combat's debut generation they gave it to a bird of prey, incapable of punches and its cannot give proper kicks
Whats wrong with good coverage? And they are usually TMs anyways so it doesn't really get in the way of a casual playthrough if that's your concern
>You say this but in Close Combat's debut generation they gave it to a bird of prey, incapable of punches and its cannot give proper kicks
Birds are at least bipedal, and while they can't "punch", they can slap with their wings for a similar effect. Which is exactly what the anime did for Staraptor's Close Combat, it'd use it by alternating between slapping with its wings and kicking
But a wing is barely any different from a fin (both flimsy means of propulsion) so why does staraptor get a pass but fish don't? it's not a fist any way you slice it. Close Combat from the jump was always supposed to just represent getting up close and beating the shit out of your opponent with any means necessary
>flurry of punches and kicks
Slither Wing can do precisely this.
Sugi art is so bad now that I wish they'd just use CGI concept art for everything
OLD GOOD NEW BAD
>the old ones still look better
LMAO
Not the point you wiener slurping moron
the best one out of all of these is breloom, because they just threw a bunch of stuff into a bag
it's a kangaroo but not quite, but also a sock puppet, but also a mushroom, but also a dinosaur
the only flaw is that it's an infamous boxer but its arms are tiny and yet it's 130 base attack
Completely illogical mon based on its official art
bottom row is old too except urshitfu. And Urshitfu is a legendary so they try harder on the design to make it look like a fighting type. Other gen 8+ fighting types look gay and ridiculous like OP said
Yes Keldeo is certainly a gen 8+ mon and OP was totally saying they are "gay and ridiculous" not that they should look like martial artists.
A Pokemon doesn't have to be a fighting type to have a fighting spirit, anon. I'm pretty sure there was even an anime episode about this
>muh humanoids
>muh animals
look, top is soul, bottom is soulless.
simple as.
In some ways GF basically replaced normal types with fighting types
Kind of like how Mega Punch/Kick are normal type moves from gen 1 any Pokemon that uses plain physical attacks with their body parts often gets the fighting type now
Normal Pokemon on the other hand have become more of a distinct thing partially just because normal is very unique mechanically
slither wing is cool because i would have sex with it
would you
Reading through this thread made me realize half of you frickers are dumb as shit. Fighting types have literally stop being martial art shit and been fricking whatever it want to be. Literally some of it is just hit hard. Explain to me on how moves like Superpower, Aura Sphere, Focus Blast, Drain Punch, and Vacuum Wave are martial art moves?
The point is that Fighting types stop being about anything related to fighting principles, techniques and inspiration, and became the "animal but angry" type. Imagine if every new dark type was just "animal but black" like how people want Luxray to be. Moves like Aura Sphere and Focus Blast relate to Ki, a staple in martial arts.
watch dbz, le Premier martial arts animu
>Aura Sphere
>Focus Blast
probably based on the ki voodoo shit that chink practitioners like to tell people is real
but yeah they just got lazy and gave up
They forgot what fighting type meant
machamp is a manlet that lifts