remember when they tried to put a $100 membership on Fallout 76? those are the people making Starfield. Im not saying Starfield will be bad, but modern Bethesda is really sketchy so it could be bad.
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homie I'm using the gaypass
the gamepass stuff is what has me worried because that entire economy is about giving people free games and then profiting off the micro transactions.
>Wait for release
>See if it's scummy
>If it is, simply don't play it
Alternatively, just pirate it
I'm expecting fallout 4, anything beyond that I will be pleasantly surprised
How is SF being a gamepasd game anything but a good thing though? You could spend only 1 dollar to play it, or the regular 15 bucks, to try it out and see if its shit. So you pay 1 dollar and see "oh well it is shit" and you drop it and dont care.
its bad because gamepass game design is like overwatch 2 game design, heres a free game and now we're gonna nickel and dime all the best content in it
But who is to say the game would have been any different if it wasnt on gamepass? Lets say gamepass doesnt exist and the game still comes out as a janky, MTX money gouging machine, who do you blame now? Infact wasnt FO76 out before gamepass and was also a piece of shit game with MTX to the brim?
But the game was developed regardless of external inputs. The game is coming out no matter what, if its shit you can see so for yourself. Whether that be by buying it yourself and seeing first hand, renting it very cheaply to see whats up, or by watching various videos/reviews for free.
I don't want to rent games or support such business model, if I wanted to "try it out" I'd pirate it.
F76 is a perfect example of executive meddling creating an abomination, it was entirely zenimax's idea to force online shit into a company that never cared about online and had no online engine capabilities.
sure, its already likely to be shit and microsoft is likely going to just amplify what they already had in place. 100 dollar ships in the creation club
>But the game was developed regardless of external inputs.
Are you actually mentally moronic enough to believe this?
Microsoft bought Bethesda in 2021, how would they know to develop the game with day one gamepass in mind for the 5 years it was in development before that?
the only difference in game design would be putting the cooler guns/ships/base items behind a mtx creation club paywall
No it isn't. The game will be for sale in other places and the game pass is just one avenue people will play or buy it and make money from subs of it. Other developers go there and they are free to sell elsewhere as well for a chunk of money upfront. You're just wrong.
when games are designed for game pass, they have microtransactions in the business model. they arent giving away starfield to lose money.
It isn't designed for gamepass dipshit, you can buy it in other places. You should expect something more akin to Creation Club and typical DLC which aren't things that werent designed for gamepass. You don't know what you are talking about, you should just stop.
they aren't losing money, they get paid by MS to put it on gamepass, and MS gets paid by gamepass subs
I don't want to rent games nor do I believe games being developed under a rental model is going to bring any positive changes.
but it's not for free, people pay monthly for gamepass, if they get free tier games then people will simply stop subbing
wasnt fallout 76 made by the b-team studio that usually did misc work on the games like additional models and textures?
im not defending bethesda here but it was very clear that fallout 76 was not made by their a-team.
right, but its the same leadership making these decisions, not the animators or whatever.
Monetization Designer is a real position at Bethesda Austin. This guy took a break in 2021 but is now back at the studio as of last month. Since he's working at Austin rather than Rockville and has never monetized a singleplayer game before it's much more likely he's still working just on 76.
In short, it's not the same people making Starfield.
Microtransactions are confirmed according to the ESRB
That is applied even to substantial reasonably priced expansion content. I don't think the expansion will be reasonably priced but it will be substantial
its paid mods on the creation club. they want that star citizen money. 300 dollar space ships and stuff
Yup, we're just waiting to see what form they'll take. It could just be the creation club shit again or it could be that they'll try to support the game longer than the usual one-year DLC cycle. I'm not expecting an Atom Shop equivalent.
It's literally not they got brought out
yes, they got sold to a studio who wants to give games away for free on gamepass and then make money through microtransactions. thats the entire game pass economy.
Literally and unironically not the same leadership.
Fallout 76 was directed by Todd Howard
It wasn't even B team, Fallout 76 was made by BattleCry Studios and published by Zenimax, month before release Zenimax renamed the devs to Bethesda Austin, Todd was only a figurehead to promote it, everyone involved in this was transparent about this but these people are arguing in bad faith so here we are.
Who directed the game?
Jeff Gardiner
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8495446/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_76
Gardiner was just project lead
That means game director, moron. Todd had the same title when working on Morrowind. Unless you assume there was a secret game director involved in that game too.
Todd is officially credited as executive producer on Fallout 76, and reports from employees say he didn't work on the game much within that position. Just came to meetings and shat on ideas then left to go back to working on Starfield.
so according to the credits, it wasnt the B team then
It wasn't solely the B-team no. Apologists will try to deflect to Zenimax and Bethesda Austin but even Todd has come out to say he feels Bethesda as a whole disappointed people, he feels responsible.
That being said, plenty of core issues came from those two groups. Zenimax was the one to force a GAAS game onto what had always been a singleplayer studio (they did the same to Arkane which led to Redfall, as well as MachineGames and Wolfenstein Youngblood), and BattleCry/Bethesda Austin were the ones in charge of monetization and changing the engine to facilitate multiplayer - the main reason why it was so buggy at launch. The core Bethesda guys at Rockville were creating the assets and writing for the game.
The Kotaku article on the whole thing is a great read, shows how development went wrong in so many ways and how most developers and especially QA hated working on the game, probably more than players hated playing it.
Lmao at the salty "source" whining that Todd would shit on and shoot down his horrible ideas.
In programming the sign of a good project manager isn't in how many lines of code he adds, but how many he removes. The same applies to design.
Todd was the fall guy I guess
So.. the same leadership from the other fallout games
They're already offering player and weapon skins as preorder and deluxe editions. For a single player game. From a developer who usually design their games for first person first with the option of third person as an after though. And plenty of cosmetic mod support.
>option of third person as an after though
*Except when mounted
But then Todd confirmed no mounts
there are no mounts bc you cant really explore anything, you land your ship on a fast travel spot and walk around and then back to your ship
>You can't really explore anything
>You land your ship, explore, then go back to your ship
Lol
Forgot about that, but I also never used horses because how clunky and cumbersome they were and the lack of mounted combat.
They have literally never made a good game. They're the quintessential western developer - all trash all day.
They're American Atlus.
Elder scrolls 2 4 and 5 are good
Morrowind was genre defining for its time, they havent made good game since tho
Why do weebs hate bethesda so much in particular? It's a bizarre obsession.
you don't have to buy it
such trash
OP, you could have just said ;
"You now remember that Fallout 76 exists"
Wasted opportunity.
>remember when they tried to put a $100 membership on Fallout 76?
haha yea, what kind of absolute moron would fall for something like that? haha...
Fallout 76 is the only bad game Bethesda has ever made, but it's a very bad game
also their most recent game. What was the best game they ever made and how long ago was it?
>also their most recent game
2 MORE WEEKS
until then, Fallout 76 is their last major release and Todd's name is on it
Yes but it’s actually good now.
>inb4 shill
I bought the game on sale for $10 and it’s actually fun
It's a mixed bag. I know comparing to FO4 is a low bar, but gameplay wise it does a lot of stuff better, and the map, weapons, armor and enemies were a lot more interesting than FO4. It's also just plagued with shitty MTX and stuff to pad out the grind like gold bullion.
literally every enemy shown off so far has been a faceless spaceman
Wait... You're telling me... I'm going to be fighting spacemen in space?
im telling you theres gonna be less enemy variety than fallout 4
I've seen more enemy variety in just the showcase of Starfield than in actually playing Fallout 4. Look at just the non-human enemies alone:
>Deathclaw
>Radstag
>Mirelurk
>Molerat
>Bloodbug
>Bloatfly
>Dogs
>Ghouls
>Yao guai
>Supermutants
vs
>45+ different alien creatures
the aliens arent enemies, theyre cosmetic atmosphere that dies in one shot.
Sure thing buddy
the entire game is about following an artifact and discovering intelligent alien life for the first time.
And what does that have to do with the alien fauna in the game having way more variety than Fallout 4?
theyre all going to be reskins of a dog enemy
You haven't been paying attention then.
I was talking about FO76, not Starfield. I'm already questioning the game from the preorder and deluxe stuff.
i wouldnt give bethesda the benefit of a doubt here. its definitely a wait and see. any preorder bonuses can be torrented if needed but most of the time its a dumb reskin you never use anyway
Thats exactly what it is. It's player skins for their spacesuit and weapons skins. Shit that's usually the first thing to come out from modders for their games.
It's insignificant, but the question is why did they bother in the first place? Such low effort content to entice people to preorder or buy the deluxe edition.
haha nice one anon
Dumbass.
i thought fallout 76 was made by zenimax
>Im not saying Starfield will be bad
I am. I'm saying it. Starfield is going to be absolute fricking DOGSHIT. Lock it.