Remind me why Ganker is giving this "remake" a pass for blatantly ruining the original while they nitpick every other remake? It's a disgrace what Square are doing to FF7
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Remind me why Ganker is giving this "remake" a pass for blatantly ruining the original while they nitpick every other remake? It's a disgrace what Square are doing to FF7
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We love Nomura here
I kinda doubt that. I remember the KH3 threads.
Can't wait for FF15 Remake
Would actually be extremely based if they just ignored the XV game we have now like it never happened
They kinda already did
what's this from?
dissidia nt you moron
Final Fantasy Remake/Rebirth is a fricking masterpiece compared to all the goddamn slop released since 2020. Final Fantasy XVI was a massive failure. In other words.
fpbp
>redefines remakes
>makes the best sequel in recent years
>still makes tards like OP seethe non-stop
FPBP
>We will never get a protagonist as based as Jack ever again
>makes the best sequel in recent years
oops meant to say prequel
feelsbadman
Tifa sexo
>"Remake" used as the subtitle for the first game, a sequel to FFVII
>OMG LE NOT FINNA BE AN ACCURATE REMAKE WTFFF?!!?!?1!?
/v/intendo is truly beyond help
Why are you Black folk so disingenuous? Suqeenix started development on this project due to the fan demand for a FF7 remake, then advertised this product as if it was actually the remake the fans wanted.
I don't see any apologia for Advent Children or Dirge of Cerberus here, and those were fairly advertised as sequels. So why does this "trilogy" get a pass?
what is this "get a pass" bullshit you keep spouting
a lot of people have just accepted it isn't a 1:1 remake and moved on
why are homosexuals like you still obsessed over this shit in 2023
"Get a pass" as in denying this is a dogshit addition to the series that further taints the legacy of Final Fantasy 7, just like it's other sequels.
>the legacy of Final Fantasy 7
lop you sound so moronic
>further taints the legacy of Final Fantasy 7
People still love the original what the frick are you talking about?
>zero reading comprehension
>No argument or clarification on simple questions
Guess I accept your concession
purists are tantrum throwing manchildren who overreact
more news at 11
im pretty sure he read your shitty post just fine
you're behaving like this compilation garbage has any effect on the original which it doesn't
>taints the legacy of Final Fantasy 7
The fact that idiots like you that hugely overrate FF7 are so butthurt about it's legacy is roughly half the reason I like Remake
The original FF7 was fine, it wasn't amazing
FF7 was amazing.
It's easy to lose sight of this fact, especially if you were born in the 21st century.
Maybe if it was the first game you ever played, otherwise no it wasn't
You don't have a clue what you're talking about and you clearly didn't play Final Fantasy 7 in 1997.
>FF7 was amazing
it was an alright game at best
9 and Tactics are much better
Neither of those games existed when Final Fantasy 7 was released. Nor do either of them stack up to FF7 in terms of innovation, presentation or narrative appeal.
Tactics came out a few months after 7. It's narrative is vastly superior to 7's but you obviously can't see that considering 7 was your first JRPG.
We'll have to agree to disagree then. Your taste sucks dick though
>I have no idea what I'm talking about, but let me weigh in anyway
>no arguments whatsoever
as expected
>I have no argument so let me just greentext some stupid shit
>talking about taste while putting 7 on a pedestal
>7
>innovation
>presentation
7 looks like dogshit outside of FMVs, and even then it still looked stupid. 9 and Tactics at least had consistent artstyles.
PHS is one of the worst systems ever conceived for a RPG. I'd take time jannies literally every game before I ever have to see that shit again.
you can just tell FF7 was this homosexuals first JRPG
Just try and name a single JRPG released before Final Fantasy 7 that raised the bar as high as FF7 did.
What bar did FF7 raise? The only notable about it at the time was it's marketing budget.
It was literally the first big JRPG that didn't have pixel graphics
it was the first big jrpg period
but again that's not saying much because that's just thanks to the insane marketing budget
thats not really raising any kind of bar
I feel like you guys must be gen z retro gamers if you can't understand what a leap forward animated polygonal battles, a fully 3D overworld and prerendered FMV sequences and transitions were
you're the zoomer you fricking moron
VI was kino.
chrono trigger
Chrono Trigger, Black person
Seriously, who are you people?
I'll grant you that FF6 does very well, but you can't honestly be insisting that all of these snes JRPGs are each as much of a leap forward for the genre as FF7 was on its release.
>Seriously, who are you people?
nintendo fanboys still mad 7 moved to ps1
I considered that but why the frick would they be in a FF7 remake thread
>why do people on Ganker go into threads about things they don't like the throw tantrums
gee i dunno
not like this thread isn't stale bait to begin with
>Why do you not parrot my argument back to me please don't make me cry
Lol
They may not have been a leap forward, but those SNES JRPGs were the culmination of the genre until that point. Masterworks.
Just because Ocarina changed the game doesn’t make Link to the Past any less important or impressive
>Just because Ocarina changed the game doesn’t make Link to the Past any less important or impressive
Yes it does, when you're directly comparing it to Ocarina. Link to the Past is still a great leap ahead of the original two games, however. The difference in comparisons is that FF6 isn't really much of an improvement on FF4, especially when you also look at FF5 between them.
No point in arguing with disingenuous FF7 remake slop eaters. If anyone wants the best experience, use ff7 seventh heaven mod manager and upgrade the original. You can add faithful upgraded textures and actual shadows. It's great.
Cooool. Post more screenshots please
Sure thing fren. There's a decent chibi replacement for the map characters too. Two secs I also have a video
I don't like remake, but that looks like shit.
NTA but it looks like the OG character art to me…
Yeah the new battle models in the mod add faithful battle models. Ignore tasteless gays and play it like this trust me. Its great. There's a few good guides online on which mods to use from seventh heaven
Come home Ganker
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Obviously you haven't played Chrono Trigger.
FF7 was the big mainstream hit, but Chrono Trigger did everything FF7 did before it except for the 3D and FMVs.
FF6, FF5, FF4. 6 still looks absolutely insane at parts.
9 was not better
its not even top 5 in its own series anon. it was babies first 2deep4you video game for many normies including you who had only ever played fricking frogger and shit like that before but really it doesnt do anything all that interesting and the combat is dog shit to the point where anyone with half a brain mods it to play better.
most people who like remake haven't played the original or are kh/cc babbies
we've been over this for almost a decade
>then advertised this product as if it was actually the remake
I think the game sucks but that's wrong. The plot ghosts and Sephiroth appearing out of place were both in trailers before the game's release.
Ganker is all manchildren who are teenagers still mentally like nomura.
Who the hell is giving this a pass? most of us wouldve been happy with a 1:1 remake across three games over this convoluted multiversal/sequel Rebuild of Eva bullshit
>across three games
The biggest flaw of remake is the fact its five hours of content from 1997 extended to a forty hour game today. It should have been a single game, story changes or no.
Speak for your fricking self. It would have come and gone, made a big splash for like a month, and then be forgotten to time, while you homosexuals would have just b***hed that the original is better anyway. I’m glad that SE is ignoring people like you. I personally like the chance to revisit the FFVII universe, with events similar to the original game, while still having no ide where on the hell they’re going with the story. The combat’s fun too.
>I personally like the chance to revisit the FFVII universe, with events similar to the original game, while still having no ide where on the hell they’re going with the story. The combat’s fun too.
you just admitted that you enjoy goyslop
AC fanboys, everyone.
>Speak for your fricking self. It would have come and gone, made a big splash for like a month, and then be forgotten to time
How the frick are you that deluded? The only reason anybody gave a frick about the game is because they thought it was going to follow the story instead of adding those cringe ghosts.
I don't know whats worse, the fact that the sacrilegious remake exists or the fact that people like you will defend it. FFVII is holy ground, you DON'T frick with it.
You don't port it, frick off.
You don't rerelease it, frick off.
You don't """remaster""" it, frick off.
And sure as FRICK don't screw with the story or make a remake, frick off.
You
FF16 was so bad that this is soulful in comparison
Ff7r came out before xvi and was also shit back then
Because the original isn't being replaced?
Try again barrytroon, surely attempt #9726474 will be the one.
I enjoy your homosexual tears.
You got monkey's pawed now deal with it.
because vii remake is not a remake
It doesn't ruin the original. The original still exists. This reimagines that story and doubles - to some - as a sequel. I won't claim I know where it's going; with Nomura you get a lot of crappy shit more often that not. Having said that, I think the first game was great (albeit flawed.)
Reunion and Ever Crisis are not good games.
I like that Remake expands upon things and manages to make a broadly satisfactory experience out of things that were sometimes transient moments. It doesn't always work, but it usually does.
I do think that they should be bolder in their non-aesthetic changes however, since we've deviated completely from the original.
The original still exists, but I would like to see this world flexed, broken, and put back together in interesting ways.
>"I promise I will give you new thing!"
>promise broken
>"DUDE WHY YOU COMPLAINING YOU STILL HAVE OLD THING!"
The corporate bootlicker argument par excellence
That would be fair if they hadn't made it clear in pre release stuff that the game would be different from the original. It's okay that you aren't happy with what it is, but if you got all the way to the point of buying it without realizing story events would be different, you literally didn't do your research.
Promising something and then warning that you're gonna break the promise does NOT excuse you from breaking the promise.
Next time just do NOT make promises you cannot (or don't want) mantain
what fricking promise
they showed off stupid shit like time jannies so early on that it's your own moronic fault for not catching on
>what fricking promise
Literally the FIRST THING they revealed about this game was the fact it was called Final Fantasy 7 REMAKE
>they showed off stupid shit like time jannies so early on
FF7R was announced in 2015. The time jannies were revealed in 2019. The lied to us for 4 MOTHERFRICKING YEARS. Actually, it's much worse that that because just showing some flying cape shit does NOT automatically imply the game would actually be a sequel. You only learn when the game's out. So, actually they lied for 7 YEARS.
>The time jannies were revealed in 2019
nomura talked about the time jannies in 2016
also learn what the word remake means
have you tried getting over it
you know remake doesn't always mean 1:1 or a remaster right
>Literally the FIRST THING they revealed about this game was the fact it was called Final Fantasy 7 REMAKE
https://www.engadget.com/2015-06-17-final-fantasy-vii-remake-interview-e3-2015.html
No
>Nomura: We don't need two of the same thing. Even if we beautified and upgraded the visuals -- something that's bound to happen. If it's a full remake, then of course, we want to take a different approach. If we actually just upgraded the visuals -- there'd be no need for me to direct it.
>Nomura: If I say anything, then that could reveal too much. If I say, "It's a bit like this," you'll suddenly think: "Ah well, then that's going to turn out just like that." In the trailer, at the end, I try to reference that: "The reunion at hand may bring joy, but it may bring fear. But let us embrace whatever it brings."
>People will wonder how far the game will change and exactly what is going to change. Sure, at first there's the joy that the game's returning, but then the concern that what you liked in the original may change or disappear completely. People have different demands. But if we take everything literally the same, we're turning into the HD port again.
>Literally the FIRST THING they revealed about this game was the fact it was called Final Fantasy 7 REMAKE
Remake does not mean 1:1 recreation. If you'd like, I can sit here and give you dozens of examples of remakes that differ from the original across movies and video games if my word is not enough.
If they had promised a remaster or a director's cut and changed things, your rancor would have merit. But they did not. Calm your breasts.
Could it be argued it's a sequel, since Aerith knows what happens in the future?
Isn't it fact that it's a sequel? The name "remake" is even tied to the story.
I guess so. Sephiroth also seems to know everything that will come to pass. I'm wondering, if a movie was remade and all the characters know what's about to happen later in the film leading to new decisions, is that still a remake?
>since Aerith knows what happens in the future?
so does sephiroth, so yes its a sequel. He specifically takes actions to try to prevent his death after seeing what will happen and its one of the reasons the time jannies are going crazy in the first place. They really dont want him changing things.
In fact, its sort of lost on the average highly autistic OG fanboy but the timejannies are a metaphor for diehard fans who start sperging and foaming at the mouth at the mere suggestion that things might be even slightly different than how they thought they should be, even though the origonal is missing a lot of dialogue and a lot of stuff they think happened is just headcanon.
>In fact, its sort of lost on the average highly autistic OG fanboy but the timejannies are a metaphor for diehard fans who start sperging and foaming at the mouth at the mere suggestion that things might be even slightly different than how they thought they should be, even though the origonal is missing a lot of dialogue and a lot of stuff they think happened is just headcanon.
People not enjoying a piece of media being so blatantly robbed of its integral subtlety is not a product of autism. Coping with that burglary by crafting an interpretation that only benefits those who are not upset about it is far more autistic behavior.
>f its integral subtlety
>subtley
its not subtle anon its just not good. Nothing in VII is subtle at all. There is even an entire dream sequence where Tifa enters clouds memories just so he can show her exactly how and why he is so messed up in explicit detail so the autistic child (you) playing the game can understand why he is the way he is.
>Here's my personal interpretation of a scene where Tifa and Cloud are allowed to experience a mcguffin sequence without any bearing on its meaning to the world or plot and why its bad... because it's a mcguffin sequence. But when the remake does worse things than this it's totally fine and good, because the original was actually never good at all!
There it is
>But when the remake does worse things than this it's totally fine and good,
Moving the goalposts batman. You said the OG was subtle, I was giving you an example of why its not. I never said the remake is subtle, its not, its not trying to be because the origonal wasnt either. If you want some subtly in your video games go play Nier or Bloodborne.
Is Nier subtle? I thought the games were really trying to hammer their themes into your head by the time you reach the ending especially Automata
its pretty subtle about a lot of things to the point where a lot of autistic morons dont understand why kaine dresses the way she does, why devola and popala did what they did, etc etc. a lot of it completely went over the average Gankertards head
Neither NieR game is very subtle, no.
This sounds more like people who didn't play the game.
>the original wasn't either
>Cloud never having anything to contribute regarding his time as a SOLDIER
>Sephiroth's actual relationship to jenova
>Aerith's actual knowledge of what she needs to do for the planet
>giant open to interpretation ending where seeing it as "humanity went extinct" is literally used as a plot device within Remake
Yeah no there is zero usage of subtlety in the original, you're right. It's definitely not that you have an autistic person's understanding of what it means in regards to tone.
never having anything to contribute regarding his time as a SOLDIER
The fact that the characters barely say anything to eachother isnt about subtly anon.
Wasn't the story originally written as a tale inspired by the writers mothers death. To do with life (friendship with other characters and overcoming struggles together) and death (Aerith etc,)
Actually intelligent post.
It's new content, and besides some cringe shit (which is a given since Nomura), it's more or less faithful to the setting
>reimagines
Is this moron-speak for "Nojima's fan fiction notes inspired by modern moron isekai authors because they don't produce Highlander movies any more?"
Nomura’s an actual auteur and I’m down for his crazy bullshit
Nomuragays really are a cult.
No matter how many times your hero lies to you, you still keep worshipping him.
Stockholm syndrome at its worst.
>Can't wait for FF15 Remake
And you shouldn't because:
1) It's not going to happen.
2) Considering what Nomura did with FF7R's plot, I'm starting to doubt even Versus would've been that great in the first place.
>Considering what Nomura did with FF7R's plot
that was Nojima you obsessed frickwit
Nomura originally wanted a 1:1 remake
Nomura's stink is all over FF7R
One thing in particular you can see from him is the survival of previously killed characters. This also occurred with the latter Kingdom Hearts games, where he seemed to get it in his head that character death is a failure of the narrative.
All of the heroes that died or sacrificed themselves need to be resurrected and live happily ever after.
Found the moron who thought Roxas was dead
Roxas wasn't "dead", he was a part of Sora who was fully reintegrated with him by the end of KH2.
This is exactly what I mean. NomuraBlack folk think that anything but riding off into the sunset is unfair treatment of characters.
Enjoy seeing Zack and Aerith live happily ever after when Sephiroth redeems himself and helps the party stop Meteor long before it reaches the planet.
>NomuraBlack folk think that anything but riding off into the sunset is unfair treatment of characters.
But he didn't ride off. He was just kind of forgotten by the plot after the fight with him. If anything it makes no sense that Sora would just be okay with Roxas staying where he is when he is not that kind of person. Same with Namine whom he already promised to properly thank in CoM and he reminded us again of in KH2.
Your reading comprehension is dogshit
I'm saying that whiners like you can't accept that Roxas WAS Sora, and weren't happy until he was revived as a fully independent character (metaphorically riding off into the sunset)
>I'm saying that whiners like you can't accept that Roxas WAS Sora
Funny you mention reading comprehension while completely missing the point of Roxas. He literally wasn't Sora. That's why you even fought him you fricking mongoloid. They have two conflicting views and one wanted to take over the other's body. Roxas has his own heart, that's why you see in his last conversation between him and Axel they question whether they actually had hearts or not. Roxas screams from his lungs that he is himself, not Sora. You completely missed the point of the baby Disney game that blatantely tells you this.
You're wrong I'm afraid. Roxas' attempt to gain independence and/or dominance doesn't change the fact that he was and always had been a fragment of Sora who needed to return to him. The point is that he was a tragic character who had no choice in his fate, but eventually found peace within Sora. That is why the ending of KH2 shows he and Namine happily within Sora and Kairi. They aren't imprisoned and hoping for a way out, they are reintegrated and no longer separate people.
Oh my god you're that moronic. Sora was seperated from Roxas since lategame KH1 without him noticing. The only reason he needed to return to him is because his memories got fumbled so badly in CoM he couldn't wake up without Roxas since he absorbed his memories in that time he went to sleep. He is not at all an important part to making Sora who he is. You are a braindead moron who most likely thought that nobodies having hearts was a retcon.
>Sora was seperated from Roxas since lategame KH1
You can't use retcon to support your argument. Roxas didn't even exist during the development of KH1.
He is seen in KH1's secret ending. He existed already as a concept. You should also google what a retcon is.
The secret ending for KH was meaningless fluff, it doesn't have a bearing on the continuing narrative of the series. This is why it was replaced in Final Mix with a more substantial secret ending
>It was a retcon
>O-Okay it wasn't a retcon but it didn't mean anything
>O-Okay the secret boss aluded already to Roxas and the first cutscene of KH2 is in KH1 as well but that doesn't count even though it's important for the second game
Just say you didn't pay attention to what you were saying next time especially before you try debating people who actually know what they are talking about.
You've clearly only ever played Final Mix and have no idea what you're talking about.
Sad to say you lost this one, and you probably don't even know why.
I literally played vanilla as my first KH game multiple times and KH1 already got revisions when it left nippon the first time since back then it only had the reaper heartless as a secret boss and Nomura didn't expect a sequel. If you're gonna talk about Roxas then don't be little shitter who can't take any facts from the games he wants to talk about. I didn't even have to mention the games after KH2 to make you sweat like a little b***h. Roxas was inside the secret ending to vanilla.
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Pretty sure the guy you're talking to is trying to explain to you that there was no concept of "nobodies" when KH1 originally came out, and "Roxas" was nothing more than an unknown character designed to look cool but with no further planning behind him.
By Final Mix, planning had started and hints towards nobodies were inserted in the game.
Roxas's existence is not a retcon though, just an addition to the story.
Reminder that the original KH2 didn't even have the Roxas boss fight or Sora mentioning Naminé.
Whole game was hack writing.
>Nomura originally wanted a 1:1 remake
The very fact that he greenlighted that shit is already a proof of his incompetence.
He was a director; preventing this kind of shit from happening was exectly HIS JOB.
This would've NEVER have flied under Sakaguchi.
yes because nomura is the only person who makes these decisions and not the actual frickwits like kitase
>The very fact that he greenlighted
He literally had no idea he even was the director when the first trailer was shown.
From what I understand he is directing the series but he doesn't really decides on the story, since while he was one of the co-creators he's not one of the main writers. So he goes with whatever Kitase and the other guy decides.
He was also assigned to the series at the last minute, something he didn't even see coming. They clearly just wanted to give him credits for a big title after fricking Vs XIII from under him
it should be a known fact by now that nomura doesnt know how to write endings.
Nomura didn't write FF7R's plot, Nojima did
The guy who made Tidus kicks the bomb and dies
well that fricking explains the time jannies
>Nomura didn't write FF7R's plot, Nojima did
You'd think these morons would do their research but I keep forgetting most of Ganker is braindead.
morons like him just have a hateboner for nomura
>ruining the original
you can still play the original
this is a different game
i dont get this complaint
i dont like the remake so i simply wont play it
Because this man never misses.
He’s just standing there, menacingly
It’s a sequel. How many more times does this need to be said?
Because like 99% of "complains about ruining the original" are either using random buzzwords and hoping the recipients will somehow just "get it", or it's some kind of comparison to another game.
With very few notable exceptions like "MUH ethics department" and "stagger resets after boss phase change" most arguments are not well-founded in logic but instead just emotional and vague.
>for blatantly ruining the original
What is this autism? The original still exists.
Because it's not a remake, it's a sequel
because most people have accepted it's a sequel and aren't autidtic manchildren about it
only complete homosexuals care about actual remakes
that being said Remake is trash
to be fair even though I like 7R, it is 100% fair for people to be annoyed/upset about the bait & switch marketing.
If anything, "false advertisement" is FFVIIR being faithful to FFVII.
I miss having movie trailer voice guys doing trailers
>literally 0 seconds of actual gameplay pictured
top kek
Not just "no actual gameplay". It was literally just 100% FMVs. No field, no battlescreen, no menu, nothing.
>bait & switch marketing
we've known about shit like the time jannies since 2016 - if that wasn't an immediate red flag and you're STILL crying about muh 1:1 in 2023 then you're simply mentally ill
nomuragays are mentally ill, the rest of us know 7R was shit
>millions spent on a remake fans clamored for for over a decade
>it turns out to be a moronic time travel spinoff sequel disguised as a remake
>fans eat it up anyway and defend it as "dumb heckin fun, get ready for a CRAZY ride!"
I just don't understand. Do they have no standards?
>Having "standards" is consooming the same thing you did 20+ years ago only because it's the thing you liked 20+ years ago
The changes and time jannies and it being a requel still annoys me. But apparently I'm a fricking hypocrite because now I want to see what happens. And it's still nice to see the characters in modern graphics.
I think FFVII Remake had several flaws and aspects to piss off many players included intentionally by design. For the following reasons:
1. To bring down the otherworldly expectations down to a manageable level while lot going so overboard that players would lose interest completely.
2. To give room for part 2 and 3 to be seen as subsequent improvements over part 1.
Only problem is that the way they are doing it, I am not sure if people will still be interested in playing part 1 once part 3 has been released with all its advanced features, unless they end up releasing some kind of "definite edition" later that includes all 3 parts in a single game with all or at least most features of part 3, along with the DLCs.
Sephiroth won't kill Aerith. Instead, Aerith will get a vision of the future, and die. Then in the secret ending, Sephiroth will be on a throne and say Minerva is dead.
Yep, meanwhile the only original upcoming JRPG announced at the game awards is getting attacked for "looking too much like Persona". Ganker has absolute dogshit taste.
>modern atlus slop
>original
good joke.
cid seems really off in rebirth so far
no cigarette, too nice, doesn't look gruff
The cigarrete is probably hidden because they dont want to showcase too much in promotional material
It happened the same with persona and guns yesterday.
Partially cope, and partially morons with dogshit taste
>still crying over this in damn near 2024
bruh homies need to move the frick on lol
how does it ruin the original when it's a sequel? also the original still exists, you can play it on many different platforms
Because zoomy combat and it's new
That's it
it didn't ruin the original, it's a literal chronological sequel
It’s not “ruining” anything. The original still exists, unmolested. You’re well within your right to ignore everything else, but that doesn’t mean that we’re not allowed to enjoy it.
The people who like it (me included) like that it's not just a retread but doing something unique. I do hope that one day, they do a true remake for people disappointed by the sequel aspects of this game.
It's just crazy that in 2023, were theorizing about what the next story beats in FF7 will be. That's fun.
it's over tifabros
Not really. This series is still gonna lead into Advent Children. We’re taking a long, meandering route to the same destination
>coping
>quoting multiple producers
Aerithbros we won
Remind me why you fricking morons don't know what the definition of a "remake" is
fricking moron
Its a double entrede. But you already knew that.
square drones will eat up any slop square shit out of their stinky ass lmao
we don't call them squaredrones for nothing.
You can date all the girls at once
So will Genesis come into play?
Maybe, hopefully. Would be funny if he showed up at the Golden Saucer
he's sleeping in his bubble so no. best you get is some optional dream fight with him
>Cloud and co are in Midgar again during the final game trying to deal with Hojo and the Sister Ray
>segment where Cloud falls down to the underground of Midgar
>is knocked out and is visited by Genesis in his dream constructed with the Lifestream
>Genesis chooses to test Cloud's ability and they fight one on one
I kind of hate it for that reason. Like in the original you get out of Midgard and you find the giant snake impaled on the tree and it’s like “oh frick, okay, that’s sephiroth” and if you meet one you have to run or die.
In the new one you fight an actual god thing of fate and jump from low gravity platforms to low gravity platforms advent children style and DEFEAT sephiroth after the god. Sure he gets away but…
Dude isn’t scary anymore. I beat him. In the first zone of the game. And now, what? I’m going to see the impaled snake and be impressed? I’m level 99 and I smacked down a god already.
Plus the summons sucked. They weren’t cinematic at all, they just bobbed around the battlefield. I wanted FFXV style cinematic Bahamut, and not only did I get him before cosmo canyon, the fricker wasn’t even impressive.
Didn’t love it. Rant over.
I just wanted the original story, man. Expanded and cinematic as frick.
As long as they don't use the time jannies again, I imagine I'll be pretty happy with it
time jannies are returning, you can see them at the end of the new trailer
They're there during the Aerith stabbing scene at the end of the latest trailer, and Marlene still has that stupid ability Aerith gave her.
>They're there during the Aerith stabbing scene at the end of the latest trailer
No they're not. That's Sephiroth's wing. The time jannies have been killed.
>No they're not
you can literally see them swirling around in the background around 2:20 and they're clearly not feathers
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FRICK
Huh. I stand corrected.
what was the point of that last boss at the highway now then...
to make it feel like remake had a huge climax when it didn't
They might baiting people through a vision or flashback. I assume the gang knows about Aerith's death coming judging by the tagline of the trailers
Think the point is that you can't kill the symbols of Fate and Destiny. Cloud and the characters think they have bested the Whispers even Sephiroth himself is convinced that his obstacle was out of the way. They showing up again is probably to cement you can't really get rid of them after all they're not even living creatures. They are other worldly beings that mortals shouldn't even know that they exist.
Sephiroth controls them himself.
If the damn Whispers aren't dead then that means....Minerva the random goddess is the final boss? Serious question. The Whispers uphold the law of the universe itself in this remake. So don't they obey the will of the world aka Minerva? And she ranks higher than even Sephiroth.
That said anyone else not like that random goddess Minerva that Crisis Core invented? And don't bother saying the original game implied she was real because of the Minerva Band armor. This is the one FF game where magical and mystical elements feel off.
The idea of Minerva commanding the Whispers and demanding Aerith and Zack be killed forcing the group to fight against her sounds like a good twist.
The original still exists. Nothing has been ruined. You can completely ignore the remake as it isn't even a remake, but a weird pseudo sequel. Funny thing is I bet you even watched and enjoyed Rebuild.
It's hard to say nothing has been ruined when the sequel is canonically the conclusion to the original. It's like how I can pretend Final Fantasy X's timeline ended with Tidus dying in X or whatever ending you want in X-2, but canonically he came back to life and kicked a blitzball before Sin came back.
Did you like Advent Children? Well, you could say that ruined everything too. I just ignore it as well.
>"You can completely ignore the fact they lied and broke the promise they made to you!"
You are the very definition of "corporate bootlicker"
When did they EVER promise a 1:1 remake?
You hear Advent Children music in the fricking reveal trailer in 2015. That in itself was a major red flag for most.
>You hear Advent Children music in the fricking reveal trailer
that irked me
Even the fricking dialog was hinting at new shit.
It’s amazing how spergs here still seethe about it on this anonymous message board for 4 years now.
we get these threads every time something new drops relating to rebirth
it's so fricking stupid
what the frick are you talking about
>Ganker is giving this "remake" a pass
It is?
people who act like the original game stopped existing after this "remake" are so fricking stupid
you're cancer if you wanted a remake in the first place so the fact you're upset shows me you're part of the problem and are no better than the homosexuals eating this shit up
Waifus are the only reason these casuals eat this slop.
See how they're very critical with XV and XVI because they lack waifus so they can assess those games actually sucking but with FF7 they're blind to how much they're ruining it
maybe
Anon, you have to cut it so that they're already in the middle of kissing for this webm to work. Try again.
where can i find the full version of the second part
I'll allow it for giving us hd models of Aerith, Tifa and Yuffie.
Mall ninja Ganker homosexuals will hand wave any flaw if it concerns their gay anime games
The game is fun, literally don't care about the story, the music is good and the girls make my pp hard. It's THAT easy to please me.
xenogears shits all over ff7
I'm waiting for the whole thing to come out before I even play it. Therefore can't pass judgement.
I've always said it's Square's "Break glass in case of emergency" plan. So I'm not completely in the dark around it. Story changes are certainly concerning.
that fact its "Break glass in case of emergency" plan, is already concerning for the future of the company.
TEST
the first part is great
This is the only reason im getting a ps5
>he buying a PS5 for one gamer that will come to PC after 6 months
bro you alright in the head?
>buy
>beat game
>trade in or sell PS5 and game
>probably only lose 100 bucks
Its not a big deal.
Imagine buying a brickstation for ONE game that's coming to all other platforms in May. homie what's on the horizon? WHAT? God of Poz? Poz of Us? FIFA [currentlyear]?
I bought it for 7R2 and KH4. It's not like I paid a lot for it as well since I sold my Ps4 and some games I hated like most of Insomniac's shit output.
the gameplay is fun and is probably the best "modern" JRPG combat system.
it's a fricking mess
doesn't know if it wasn't to be action or atb
having the stop combat every 5 seconds was annoying
just give me more shortcuts and frick off
She will live!
SOULLESS
Reminder they are going to kill her again
NO LOL
see
OK deny all you want but when she dies again don't be sperging out and shitting up this board
even if she dies who fricking cares lmao
there are 2 versions of every character now
I care homosexual. Aerith is the perfect waifu and best female FF character ever made. She wont die. I will jump into the game itself and rapefrick Sephiroth.
>there are 2 versions of every character now
They died in Midgar. You even see a list of crossed off faces where Zack is.
>They died in Midgar
yet you see Aerith lying in bed when Zack is talking to her
I'm open to being wrong but unless confirmed that's speculation. Zack might have crossed to the other world or he is seeing cope hallucinations
allegedly died
allegedly
Because homosexuals like
are going to shit up the board with their spergouts
>sperging out and shitting up this board
This idiot still thinks Ganker cares about Final Fantasy games. All you're going to get is a single thread full of schizo posting and Barry unless he's still obsessed about ff16.
Did you conveniently forget when part 1 of the remake dropped?
Yea, in April 2020. It's December 2023.
As much as it would improve this board, the userbase isn't regularly purged
Fricking hell it still feels so recent.
But the time jannies behind her.
they will kill her personally after the fakeout save
That dick totally groped her.
I don't remember that in the remake?
>shitty block graphics
>FMVs
>innovation
look MGS was more innovate than this shit
That game came more than 1.5 years later. No one had seen graphics like in the FMVs of ff7. You wouldn't understand. You weren't there.
This. Even the battlegraphics were awesome and the AMVs were beyond state of the art. We literally had 16 bit sprites 2 year prior. These zoomer c**ts werent even born in 1997. They have no idea what games actually looked back then.
this homie really thinks FF7 invented FMVs lmao
that's why i haven't replied to him
he's an idiot larping as a boomer
Well, I also believe Super Mario 64 was the first 3D game.
No of course not. But it was a step up in many ways. Again you weren't there.
not that anon you replied to but you're full of shit
not really
FMVs before 7 were just live-action
7 is the first game to have 3D rendered FMVs
source?
>7 is the first game to have 3D rendered FMVs
prove me wrong
the FMVs in FF7 were it's main selling point
that's why it was advertized in cinemas and shit
I mean I'm not even well versed in games that old, but I know even Panzer Dragoon came out 2 years before FF7 and had 3D story FMVs between stages
those aren't FMVs moron
those aren't cgi fmvs
Lol. Lmao.
You really don't even know what an FMV is do you?
CGI* FMVs are what made 7 a big deal back in the day. Panzer Dragoon didn't have those.l
You also don't know what CGI is?
frick off moron
can you post an fmv from that game that compared to this
>that compared to
Moving goalposts. The original claim was that FF7 was the first ever game to have cgi fmvs, not that it simply had bigger ones.
panzer dragoon didn't have cgi fmvs
mental insanity
Just post something similar to
Shouldn't take too much effort
I destroyed your original statement, proving you to be a half-aborted fetus who wasn't even a wink in his daddy's sack when FF7 released. There is nothing more to discuss.
>7 is the first game to have 3D rendered FMVs
Not the original anon schizo fren. I was 7 when ff7 released. Really great game lended to me by a friend at school
Legit curious to see his answer because wtf did he mean by that.
I wouldn't say it was the first game with FMVs. I mean i was young but I'd imagine PC had a lot of that already. But the quality definitely blew minds even to my friends at school. Nothing really compared to it on consoles.
Then I wasn't addressing you or your stance. Don't care that 7's FMV's were "better", only that some moron claimed it was the first game ever to have any.
>don't care that 7's FMVs were "better"
Huh. OK. But it was a huge deal back then. Everyone loved the game for multiple reasons but the quality FMVs were seen as innovative for consoles
Right, but that wasn't the statement schizogay made. If you butted into the conversation, don't be alarmed if I thought you were him.
Well I only stated it was better in my posts. Here's a video of panzer. Great game btw. But it reminds me more of ff6 quality. https://youtu.be/ZCXViu9_LPI?si=r0uC_QL1jtmEUmjO
I don't know the difference between cgi and fmv tbh and don't really care. The seem interchangeable. The other dude is obviously being disingenuous. This was my first post
so I don't really get your point if you're the same guy.
>7 is the first game to have 3D rendered FMVs
Still haven't proven me wrong. The shit in Panzer Dragon isn't the same as 7's FMVs which were a big deal at the time.
This absolute moron gets proven wrong and then israelites out claiming he wasn't
hes an actual schizo who claimed here
that VII is "holy ground" because he has some kind of unhealthy obsession with it.
>schizo projecting
You called a video game holy ground anon
that wasn't me schizo
keep going
post more shitty scenes from panzer dragoon which aren't cgi cutscenes
the shit you posted wasn't a cgi fmv moron
I first saw FF7 advertised in Playboy of all places. I've never seen a single piece of marketing that used the battle or field graphics either. Every single one focused solely on the FMVs.
Look at the aesthetics. So good bros.
Fr fr no cap
Lmao you fricking disingenuous c**t.
Here. Read some of the reviews to get a sense of the reception in 1997. https://www.metacritic.com/game/final-fantasy-vii/critic-reviews/
Praise for the FMVs was one of the main points of many reviews.
Now go frick off and play your zoomer slop.
>oyaji
>dyne
>temple/city of ancients/aerith
I'm not ready bros. Never will be.
Because even though it says remake in that title we all know it isn’t a remake.dtpdhx
Remake was shit, but Rebirth looks much better IMO.
>Remake was shit, but Rebirth looks much better IMO.
Yeah, and that only adds salt on the wound because we know the plot is going to be ruined.
If only Sakaguchi was here, he would've grabbed the moron who thought this multiple timelines shit was good by the neck and throw him out of the window, and now we could've had a proper remake.
>If only Sakaguchi was here, he would've grabbed the moron who thought this multiple timelines shit was good by the neck and throw him out of the window, and now we could've had a proper remake.
Nobuo Uematsu himself talked how FF7 isnt a sakaguchi game because he fricked off during the development to go to Hawaii.
>If only Sakaguchi was here
The guy who produced and masterminded the biggest flop in the company's history and never made a single good thing since leaving his tardwranglers?
>Sakaguchi
You mean the guy who sinks himself into a mobile trash and never did anything successful ever again after he leaves SE, that GUY??
>If only Sakaguchi
Sakaguchi directed Spirits Within ruined the company so badly they're still feeling the effects of it to this day.
Any complaint you have about the current state of Square Enix and it's games can be directly traced back to that massive fricking blunder.
Also, did you see the plot direction for the original FFVII script Sakaguchi wrote?
The original Sakaguchi FFVII script is some of the edgiest shit ever written for the franchise. If there's ANYONE you don't want touching that game, it's Saka"What if we killed all of these characters off"guchi.
People talk about sakaguchi but they also forget how the reason why management of SE got so wanky was because his movie failed that hard, so Enix suits took over. Because it was clear Sakaguchi wasnt capable of taking sane decisions.
Sakaguchi Kojima'd himself before Kojima, huffing his own farts that he was some film auteur in the making and only needed a billion dollars to prove it
Sakaguchi was a great manager. The problem is how he forgot that since FF3-4 he was working with extremely talented individuals. Then he went to make a movie without any of them
So that shit happened. His ego was probably in an all time high.
>some of the edgiest shit ever written for the franchise
Got a limk? I would like to read that
Sakaguchi was in FF7's team during the lifestream concept, and this is basically the only thing that remained in the game. Everything else was so fricking different that nothing remained after he left to Hawaii during 7's development.
The game was a detective story and something more like parasite eve. Aerith and Tifa didnt even exist and the heroine was something from a Ghibli movie.
The game only took real shape after he left, it is probably the reason why he never takes too much credit in FF7 as he does with other entries like 6 or 9.
>If only Sakaguchi
Reminder that it was him who told Nomura to go full crazy with Kingdom Hearts
>Nomura: When I started working on the first Kingdom Hearts, Sakaguchi gave me a little suggestion. He had asked me what kind of game I was going to create, and I told him that I wanted to make a simple adventure, at the end of which the protagonist would have defeated a witch. He told me it was not a good idea, and I needed to create a story that would appeal to fans of Final Fantasy, so there was no need to keep things so simple. That was the only warning he ever gave me, and he never gave me any feedback after the game was released. Before leaving, he simply told me: "I do not need to play your game because I know it will be done well and it will be fun. You do not need any suggestions from me."
Anything crazy you see with Nomura is because it's due to Sakaguchi's influence. FF games were high concept even back in their time.
>Reminder that it was [headcanon)
Learn how to read
>giving it a pass
maybe if you're a 50 iq moron
It is looking pretty good, bros.
We love FF7 Rebirth and theres nothing you can do about it, chudcel!
It's because Ganker is stupid. You haven't figured this out yet?
You know 7R is literally nu-Square magnum opus, they gathered every single elite in their company into this one project. If the game is not good then you can bet your ass they aren't capable of making one anymore
>If the game is not good then you can bet your ass they aren't capable of making one anymore
It's not that they aren't capable, is that they DON'T WANT to.
They're actively trying to ruin everything they do just for nothing more than cheap subversion value. It's like a little child who draws moustaches on a Mona Lisa because LOL SO QUIRKY!
>7R
Game came out 4 years ago, bro.
2020 is only 3 years ago 😉
>ruining the original
But my copy is the same as it was in 1997?
It is shit, just like the rest of the garbage remakes which change the original.
9gays seething once again because they will never reach 7, actually they are still in the shadow of 10.
These threads make me glad I don't have autism
Because it's funny.
>Ganker is one person
>remembers Ganker over the last week
Guys! 364 days until the FFIX Remake is announced
What makes me laugh isnt even them talking about it, is how you can always see some morons coming here to talk shit about 7, and it is always a 9 gay. The poor game is used as weapon for redditors.
I love 9 and 7...I'm pretty sure 7 original is getting shit on mostly by zoomies and underage gays.
The truth is that most of the time people who talk shit about the og here is because they have some other arbitrary ff they prefer and 7 being the most popular and groundbreaking of course attracts all types of schizos. You dont see this type of shit in threads about FF4 or FF5. But of course you'll see in FF7 because dudes feel compeled to say their other ff is the best.
And i also like 9, but sadly the game feels like most of the time is just used for people who hate random devs to fuel bad discussions.
When you're in the spotlight you attract crazy people, it is simple.
That Forested Temple leitmotif in the trailer made me hard.
The original is still there, nothing is ruined you mindless parrot.
REMAKE, not REMASTER. Learn the difference.
SEQUEL
It's trash. I remember fighting the same final bosses in remake that I did in kingdom hearts
Nothing of note was added, just ruined a great story with dumbass inserts
>The original is still there
THE YEARS I WASTED WAITING THIS PLAYABLE FALSE ADVERTISING ARE *NOT* STILL THERE, THE 2 OR 3 NEW GAMES THEY COULD'VE MADE INSTEAD OF THIS FANFICTION ARE *NOT* STILL THERE, STOP DEFENDING LIARS, YOU WASTE OF AIR
>REMAKE, not REMASTER. Learn the difference.
NO, YOU LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN *REMAKE* AND REBOOT/REIMAGINATION/SEQUEL YOU ILLITERATE CORPORATE BOOTLICKER
calm your tism
sounds like a (You) problem
Idk haha..
>females are required to be burqa'd but this is allowed and encouraged
thanks snoy
I like FF7 for the character interactions. Remake delivered and Rebirth seems to double down on it having gotten rid of PHS.
>blatantly ruining the original
lmao get bent troony
>giving this "remake" a pass
Only the shills and alphies that never played FF7 claim that shit is anywhere close to be good
Square enix has been garbage for years, and with snoy ethics department every PS game is even worse somehow as the years pass
Final Fantasy fans are Sonic tier these days. The gacha coomers are at least honest with themselves. You people huff your own moronation.
Too cute. Not sexy enough (face-wise, anyway). That’s my issue with this version of her
We should make her look like a REAL woman
What is it with japanese games that attracts Ganker spergs? Do they just love safe and diverse western slop?
Golbez Barrett looks badass.
Cloud if he had Edge
I hope i can use this outside of the gold saucer. Looks too good.
Really hoping they're letting you switch costumes during the story or at least for New Game+.
What would happen if he removed the mask?
It would be extremely painful.
For you
It would be extremely painful.
Dimitri fire emblem looking ass.
It's great.
Lmao Cloud is anything but that shithead from a shitty fire emblem game
>File Name: GAy
Lmfao. Looks good tho.
He looks like a FF ninja.
Guess he got tired of the ffxvi thread
>I hate the remake project because it’s not a 1:1 remake!
>I’m going to go into threads about it to post all of my incel rage about it!
>I’ll make up boogeymen in my head to discredit anybody that likes it, like saying they never played the original!
>I’m going to do this for 4+ years, even more years later when part 3 is out!
>So I’m going to spend a decade of my life seething about a video game.
What’s this mental illness called?
autism. autists hate change and fixate on dumb shit.
Mistaking banter, criticism and shitposting as Ince rage...yup you sound like a little b***h c**t
>I love watching corporation lying and disrespecting their audience
>My purpose in life is defending liars
>I want my corporate overlords to praise me
>I will intentionally craft strawmen to further smear people who are rightfully angry for having been lied to
>I’m going to do this for 4+ years, even more years later when part 3 is out!
>So I’m going to spend a decade of my life shilling a fanfiction.
What’s THIS mental illness called?
Take your meds.
It's make 0 sense that Sephiroth is going for the kill on Aerith again, doesn't he knows what happen in the future now ie getting cucked by Aerith in the life stream later?
The nanomachines carried by sephiroth and given to him by professor dojo (Hojos forgotten brother) have infected Aerith with FOXDIE. It's only a matter of time until she dies. I wonder how long she'll last.
ff fanboys are worse than snoygays and tendiegays holy shit
7 domination
>TLoU2 won for best narrativr
Why do Geoff and game journos have such a boner for Cuckmann anyway
TGA/Geoff has huge insecurities towards other entertainment mediums. "Look we can do HBO drama too"
Too much boring filler
What are the chances that they going to announce FF8 remake right after they are done with 7R trilogy?
30%? I know the game is pretty popular in Japan but I think they will move on to a proper sequel to FFX-2.
>I know the game is pretty popular in Japan
8 in definitely in top 3 on any FF fandom and probably easier to remake too since they can reuse lot of assets from 7R
>8 in definitely in top 3 on any FF
and it sold almost twice as much as 9.
only the hardcore 9 fans seething over 8
This proves that the better waifus a game has, the better and more successful the game will be, which makes sense why ff16 was such a huge failure.
i fricking hope and pray for this to happen
And i hope and pray that i'm still alive and healthy when that happen
Since 9 remake is low budget, chances are pretty high. They did skip over it for a reason. Game badly needs a remake tho, it's the entry that benefits from it
>Since 9 remake is low budget
So low it doesn't exist lel
>Since 9 remake is low budget
We don't know that. We don't even know which division is working on it, it's possible that SE may outsourced the project to third party company like Tri-Ace
Even Ben Starr is asking for an FF8 remake. It could happen.
you mean the guy who didn't win VA of the year lmao
who cares what that literal homosexual wants
9 is supposedly in the pipelines and they've talked much more about 6 finally getting a 3D version that it was robbed of by the 2010 franchise crash. Out of games Nojima/Kitase/Nomura have worked on I'd expect a return to 10 first
10 was the first FF game and I can say without a doubt that it doesn't need a remake
i couldnt handle that shitty character tidus in a remake.
annoying like zidane
Yeah but I'm fully expecting a soft reboot X3 that tiptoes around >that
>Out of games Nojima/Kitase/Nomura have worked on I'd expect a return to 10 first
This is what I'm scared of. Those 3 are hitting their 50s they all nearly at the end of their career, they only have a decade left before they retire, whatever project they're working on together after 7R could very likely be their last
japanese devs work until they're dead
>they only have a decade left before they retire
Anon, this isn't 1950. Nobody retires anymore.
>blatantly ruining the original
go play the original instead?
Are this and Dragons Dogma 2 the only big AAA noteworthy games in 2024 that people care about? I know Suicide Squad is another but nobody gives a shit about that.
Personally I am looking forward to GBF Relink, LAD2 and Rise of the Ronin too.
I'm still holding cope that KH4 releases at the end of 2024 and they're waiting until FF7R2 is released to start their marketing for that game. There is also Lies of P getting DLC and a Crazy Taxi sequel which is pretty exciting for me.
>that one homosexual who refuses to play the original and insists Zack is a better character than Cloud based solely off of Crisis Core and Remake
>tfw played the origonal when it came out, loved it
>tfw played crisis core when it came out, absolutely loved it
>tfw watched advent children in fricking china from a bootleg before it was released in the west with shitty half assed subtitles
>tfw played remake when it came out on ps4 and on pc, loved it
Zack is a better character than Cloud in every way possible. Cloud is one of the weakest characters in his own game because he is more or less a self insert that barely says anything until he starts to admit that he is an insecure homosexual who has been pretending to be someone far more interesting. That is him admitting in his own game that Zack is vastly superior to him.
>I have no standards
good to know
you give off this energy
How do you even manage to navigate Ganker with a sub 20 IQ anon. That image has quite literally nothing to do with my post. Nothing. Reading comprehension is something you should have been taught 20 years ago.
Ok anon, what are your favorite games? What kind of standards do you have.
not reading
get some taste
do you not understand themes? don't they go over this in middle school?
Themes are completely seperate from characters though. They dont make Cloud any less of a shit character who barely says anything at all until sepphiroth mind breaks him after aerith dies and makes him remember that he is a schizophrenic who is incorrectly under the assumption that he is someone far more interesting and sucessful. Clouds entire character arc is coming to terms with the fact that Zack completely mogged him to the point where he developed a massive inferiority complex at never being able to become a soldier. This inferiority complex became so powerful he literally convinced himself he was the much cooler and more interesting person but because he wasnt that interesting, he still cames across as an extremely pale and shitty immitation.
No Cloud did overcome his weaknesses, that doesnt make him an interesting character though. Character progression is the default that every character should have to go through, especially the main character. What is interesting about Cloud though? Name one memorable line of dialogue from him.
>Zack is a better character than Cloud in every way possible. Cloud is one of the weakest characters in his own game because he is more or less a self insert that barely says anything until he starts to admit that he is an insecure homosexual who has been pretending to be someone far more interesting. That is him admitting in his own game that Zack is vastly superior to him.
This take is funny because it is such a blatant misunderstanding of what made FF7 special
FF7 is a story about getting over your failures and grief, about identity. The whole point of the game is how Cloud was never a generic character or gary stu.
You sound like those morons who pick a story about overcoming your weaknesses and say "i wish the mc had no weakenesses"
You need to give him a break, CC gays are moronic in general.
>barely a minute apart
atleast phonepost if you are going to samegay this blatantly, how fricking embarassing holy shit
He's probably a power level gay and thinks that stronger=better. The gets surprised when no one game 1/10 of a frick about CC like they did with OG 7. Zack is as deep as a puddle.
>still samegayging your own post
Cloud is literally one of the strongest characters in the VII universe, he defeats everything and everyone he goes up against. That doesn't make him a good character. Seriously, I am waiting for you to explain anything about Cloud that makes him interesting. Anything at all. Show me some cool dialogue.
why do you keep samegayging your own posts lol
>what made FF7 special
Cloud's twist, and that's it. He's still a boring-ass character until the very end where he says let's mosey.
It is the same type of guy who would play SH and say "i wish the mc didnt have mental illnesses"
They will never get over people caring more about Cloud, it happens in every franchise.
>B-BUT ZACK IS STRONGER AND NEVER NEEDED TO PUT EFFORT, HE DOESNT EVEN SUFFERS FROM CELLULAR DEGRADATION
When you need to explain how stories about overcoming your weaknesses and failures are more interesting to people than shonen meathead mcs, you're just losing your time, anon. He probably got into FF with Crisis Core and think it is peak storytelling and Zack is a good character because of nostalgia.
Literally the reason why Cloud stayed in the minds of people for that long, his whole arc is about overcoming his shortcomings and dealing with his shit situation. 70% of people who played FF7 also dont remember his character arc so they have no idea of how well executed it is.
One thing is not liking Cloud's archetype, it is fine. But people who really say he shouldnt be FF7's mc or that he should be switched are really moronic.
I think the devs themselves talked how every character in FF7 works to enhance Cloud and Sephiroth. They are at the very core of the whole story.
I kinda respect his attitude.
I for one LOVE Eva---Er FF7 Rebuild.
>Yfw Cloud ends up with a new shitter no one likes from Rebirth at the end
Well I'm just saying, Jesse is at the gold saucer now..
You, you guys keep pushing his weird ass narrative that 'they have no idea what they're' doing but all the people involved with the original are working on the remake.
There's an interview somewhere that more or less said nomura said he was against making a 1:1 remake even if fans were fine with that, so all they're doing is expanding the story, they know exactly what they want to do with a project that spans three games.
>b-but what the fans and gamers want!
The first remake sold enough to continue the other two, what more do you need to know that some people are willing to give it a chance?
It's not ruined - yet. It's basically a sequel, so it can't ruin the original, until the ending. The ending can ruin the original. Without going into a length explanation, basically, if the game ends with Cloud fighting Sephiroth, the original game is ruined. If Zack does it, then it's fine.
I’m forcing you to extrapolate. Why would Zack be facing off against Sephiroth? His beef with him isn’t nearly as personal.
Double digit IQ people love flashy fights between their favourite characters. No reason or underlying cause needed.
It doesn't ruin anything because you can buy and play the original on all relevant modern platforms.
barry and the turned based homosexuals loosing it again. kek
you guys are just pieces of shit lol
>Everyone from the gang is here
You will now remember that moron who constantly used to spam that Cid and Cait Sith wouldn't appear in the game after that first Rebirth trailer dropped.
they are just morons nothing more.
they will seeth now for every day.
No I said they wouldn't be playable and that they would be like Red13 was in Part 1 which they are.
You literally said other characters would replace them you gaslighting moron
I never said that. I said that we would get additional party members like Rufus or something as temporary members. Which is what they are doing with Sephiroth.
No you didn't. You were pretty insistent that characters like Shelke would take over according to your LE SUPER SECRET SOURCES
You dont know that might still happen as temporary members like Sephiroth
I can actually see Sephiroth becoming a party member for the city of the ancients since the game starts with him as a party member as well.
it was really crazy seeing ff7 tv commercials
>tfw part 3 is actually going to use all the assets they created for part 1 and 2 and 3 to do the normal story of FF7 in remake format after their new sequel story thing is done.
Just believe anon, surely they'll treat the original story with dignity and not like a marvel multiverse spinoff this time
It's an excuse to make a sequel compilation to the original compilation.
The series won't end after the trilogy
We were robbed of Final Fantasy Versus XIII
We were
But
Nomura will not let us go without for much longer
>Nomura will not let us go without for much longer
This is not even Stockholm Syndrome, this is Reykjavik Syndrome at this point.
You mean the original XV
Still haunts me
They aren't Did you just forget to turn on your brain when viewing ff7 threads or something?
For me it’s less about preference for this or that, it seems as though the developers have lost sight of what made FF7 was such a great overall experience to begin with. The narrative focus is totally blurred with all the added complexities and spectacle has completely replaced substance.
The essential messages from the original are just a backdrop to character drama, alternate timelines and other meaningless nonsense. If the developers had the fricking balls to remake the game and hammer home some of the extremely relevant themes from the original I really do think it could have been something special. Instead they pull their punches and soften the hard edges of the original to make it more palatable while adding a bunch of fan service crap for fricking losers who argue over which fictional characters get together.
The mini-games, quirky fun moments and character arcs from the original were great don’t get me wrong, but the whole remake feels pretty hollow (funny that’s the name of the theme song). Also it’s 2023, can these rich motherfrickers hire someone who knows how to write natural sounding dialogue and block a fricking scene? Everything is so goddamn stiff and awkward, I swear Japanese people are fricking robots.
Ganker has been absolutely shitting on this remake since it learned about time ghosts. It's just that there are just as many people enjoying it as there are people hating it.
Why are they being such buttholes about Cid and Vincent? Its just deliberately holding them off for part 3 as a marketing tool.
can't make vincent playable until they re-release dirge of cerberus
>until they re-release dirge of cerberus
I will buy two copies.
I remember when everyone lost their minds with Advent Children but are just accepting all this garbage, you all need to apologize.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
fricking witnessed
Cid I can accept as a non party member in rebirth as they will just have him doing pilot stuff but how are they going to justify Vincent not being playable?
i like cid's va in the trailer
and they're going to do the barret vs dyne scene justice
Is there an updated version of this with Vincent and Cid?
Barret mogs the other cast so bad.
I don't like Cid's voice. He doesnt sound southern enough.
There's no way they're keeping the scene where Cloud goes full psycho and beats the shit out of Aerith, and Cait Sith just stands there.
Because Ganker is filled with cucks
It's not a remake and remakes are boring
The VII schizo is up I see. Last few Rebirth threads has been rather chill. Sad that for a supposed "le high IQ person with great taste", they just can't act and talk like proper adults. It has been 3 years and he's still angry that someone else DARED to like a game that they hate. For frick sake moron, you're probably well into your 30's, try acting like one.
>fvii schizo suddenly stops samegayging his own posts when he realizes that everyone can tell he was doing it
Embarassing
I kinda want Dyne to live, but it's better he dies.
I hope his character is hugely expanded upon. He just kinda comes out of nowhere and then disappears
See, thing is there are 3 types of OG FF7 fans:
1. People who like the characters and plot, even if badly translated, and were into Cloud's identity crisis, Barret's guilt driving him on a selfish quest, etc. (stuff that mostly depended on Kitase).
2. People who really liked its aesthetics of the game, thinking Sephiroth looked cool, liking the Buster Sword and Cloud on a motorcycle, or liking Tifa's big bazongas (stuff that mostly depended on Nomura).
3. People who actually like to play any turn-based JRPG regardless of its content and will play every "4 homies in a row" game under the sun.
People can be a bit of all three, but everyone falls into one more than the others. Remake and now Rebirth basically leave behind groups 1 and 3, by changing the story and to a certain extent the characters, having Nojima, who was simply the event planner in the original FF7 (and was scenario writer in Crisis Core), take over as story and scenario writer, along with with Nomura. I don't think it's necessary to explain why the people in group 3 got left behind.
It's not an issue of why FF7 gets a pass, its just that if you fall into groups 1 or 3 of the original FF7 fans this game isn't and will probably never be for you, while people who fall into group 2 will probably always love the game, since all that they liked about OG FF7 is STILL there. At least, that's how I see it.
The trailer show so much yet we still know so little about Rebirth
Its a sign that a game will be kino
Personally I don't view the FF7 characters in a sexual way despite being a coomer. Dunno why but thats just how it is. It would feel weird to jerk off to Aerith or Tifa or Yuffie.
Because Remake was fun
Because I don't give a shit about it
It's simple. I like Nomura's output. I don't give a shit about Square Enix itself. I'm not buying a Flopspoken or FF16 since he isn't involved with these games. FF7R was good and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
You guys notice Cloud seems more self aware in the trailer about his memories not being right?
It makes sense, at some point in the OG game is absolutely unstable, he needs to realize how there is something wrong with him. They will go "all in" in his psyche
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you have an example? I'm earnestly not trying to start shit
He talked about it in yesterday's trailer.
Yeah but I do recall him questioning his memories as well in the original
.Cloud: Sometimes I don't even know who I am...
I forget things everyone else remembers just fine...and know things I have no right knowing.
>Tifa: Cloud, it's okay, you saved me before, now it's my turn.
>.and know things I have no right knowing.
This part here is interesting to me, because it could be about his future memories that he got. Not about the past ones.
Knowing how he's connected to sephiroth, those flashes of the future will get more and more freaky.
Dont remember the og game since its been over 17 years since i last finished it but i think after kalm he starts going more and more insane. Shit, at one point he is beating the shit out of aerith
He is an unstable nutjob way before she dies
He is directly responsible for her death. People have no idea of how insane and heavy that shit is. It will destroy his mind.
Him attacking her is the last time they see each other before her death. Terrible
Sex with Tifa.
How could you hate this game? Dislike parts of it, sure. But hate? It's just too good.
OUR HEROES
rebirth isn't even out yet
im interested what buttfrickery they come up with. i dont spend energy getting upset over it since i can play the og
Whether you like this remake or not I think we can all agree Tifa's english VA is horrendous, right
I don't agree, and I say that as guy plays the game with JPN most of the time.
No idea, I play it in japanese
She’s the 2nd weakest behind Sephiroth. Her voice just doesn’t stand out to me.
Judging from that trailer Zack sounds the worst by far
I like her VA, i really dont get your point.
Because she can't act and emote? Everytime she speaks it sounds super phoned in.
Is square back?
Plenty of awards went to square and most of the games people were excited for / even game a remote shit about were square enix games
obviously no GOTY but it's a big step from a few years ago where square seemed dead in the water
Since they got rid of Luminous after FF15, aside forspoken, they are really well. Not one game per decade anymore.
Yes, MMO devs will soon be fired and Nomura Full Control will begin.
>MMO devs will soon be fired
Why? XIV and mobile shit are what is keeping SE afloat.
>Is square back?
Depends on the next Kingdom Hearts trailer for me
>obviously no GOTY
Why not? I thought Remake already was a GOTY contender and they seem to have improved everything in the sequel
>FF7R2
>SaGa Emerald Basedond
>KH4
>New Mana
It's the year of the Square
>awards
do you really think this VGA shit means anything
Because the original was a jrpg movie which has become a slur in modern times.
>Ganker is giving this "remake" a pass
this is absolutely not happening. the remake is an abomination
it's a parrallel universe with god force trying to reverse it to the original story, litteraly not the same story.