How was this b***h more powerful than Marika/Radagon when she’s not even a true demigod? The lore would also have me assume Azur and Lusat are above even that? What?
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Retarded Elden Ring lore
How was this b***h more powerful than Marika/Radagon when she’s not even a true demigod? The lore would also have me assume Azur and Lusat are above even that? What?
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sorceries > incantations
The bias for intelligence users in this game is infuriating
Is she? The Carian army as a whole was what matched Radagon's forces, I don't recall her being particularly strong 1v1 in lore.
Int gets higher raw numbers but most of its best spells are just variants of "blue magic damage projectile". Faith can eke out higher numbers by targeting weaknesses because it gets lightning, fire (int fire spells are terrible), and holy, while also having healing and buffing spells. The int bias was more present in earlier games, especially 1 and 2 where it had
>more range
>more damage
>most important of all, more spell uses
If we're going by Ranni's own words on her mother, she was supposedly quite formidable. She asks you to upkeep the idea ("spread word far and wide") that she's still around in the illusory fight
This. The main problem is that we're basically fighting a VHS recording of her back when she kicked ass.
>Elden ring is just post apocalypse
The heyday has to be a good basis for a spinoff or something
But I wonder how much of it is just
>George rr fatfrick is incoherent and not meeting deadlines so let's just take snippets of what he gave us and call it a day
>The int bias was more present in earlier games
And it's still here now.
It's not nearly as bad though. Imagine if lightning spear cost 8x the fp of its int equivalent, that's what it was like back when we had spell uses. The discrepancy in how often you could cast was insane.
>Lightning damage is rare because it kills dragons prease understand game balance :^)
Faith is so much better than Int in Elden Ring it's honestly a little hard to believe. You have so many options for every situation while Int just gets muh numbers, muh damage.
Melee gays need to know their place. You are simply beneath sorcerers. Deal with it
Mage builds are boring. Going with a pure STR build was the most fun I've ever had.
What bias? INT is just ungabunga damage with almost zero utilities and you have to wrestle with enemy dodge mechanics that apply to a lot of your projectiles, meaning your actual spell list is smaller than you'd think.
FTH is a lot more balanced than INT, and you have access to all status effects on top of a much more varied spellbook and basically all elements.
If anyone's biased it's ARC since it can do both FTH and INT, and ARC in itself is largely just a better FTH due to having the best catalyst in the game and infusions such as Occult which not only scale really well for direct damage, but also scale Bleed.
The real neat stuff for INT is all the spellblade style spells like Carian Piercer or Adula's Moonblade, other than that most of your projectiles actually kinda suck compared to FTH projectiles.
I think the idea of "int bias" comes from moonveil, star shower, and night comet, which are all ridiculously easy to use for their power.
Otherwise arc has some stupid overpowered bullshit going on for it.
Arc got carried hard by dragon incants which offer almost every damage and status effect normal faith and int lack. Int/arc works but you only get bubbles, which ain't bad, big bubble is basically zoning HC.
The Albinauric staff lets you scale any Sorcery off INT much like the Dragon Communion does for FTH, you're not really limited to oracular bubbles as much as it's true that the Albinauric staff does lose out to some other sorcery catalists.
The thing is, an INT/ARC build might not have the best scaling for Sorcery damage, but it does get to abuse the best scaling for both Frost AND Bleed, which is kinda ridiculous in itself, your Comet Azur won't erase bosses as fast as it would on a pure INT build (if you ever get to that given stat spreads), but you can still erase them through Frost/Bleed spam just fine.
*off ARC, my bad, but you get my point.
The only weak part of INT/ARC is that you realistically won't get the top INT spells like Ranni's moon bazooka, but you don't really need them either.
What I mean is you still have to dump some in int to get useable spells outside of bubble while arc/fai can keep fai low and do well with just dragon shit.
Swift glintstone shard and carian slicer is all you need my man.
Boring, needs frost. Plus albi staff still has alright int scaling
Int is for magic damage buffmaxxing and nuking enemies. Fth is for versatility. In fact fth is probably more powerful because you get to exploit elemental weaknesses, unless you challenge/limit yourself with a themed loadout.
i had a far easier (and more fun) time with my pure FTH caster than I did with my pure INT caster. FTH has an exceptionally broad spectrum of things it can cover with a ton of damage types, including black fire which is exceptional against even high health fire-resistant enemies. it even has physical through beast incantations which fricks on enemies resistant to all magic/fth damage types.
Faith is
>More Versatile
>Cooler to look at
>Less gay
>meleemaggots seething
She had an entire army of knight-wizards as well as an army of pure wizards.
>entire army of knight-wizards
weren't there only like a few dozen Carian knights? They were more like a royal guard than an actual army force
Carian knights are parry gods. i can believe a small force could outpace a sizable army
The average Carian Knight (if Moongrum is our baseline) is highly aggressive and quite versatile.
I dunno man, I feel like even the Leyndell knights could hold their own pretty well against them
On horseback? Place all of them on horseback. Frick it, Rennala too. There’s no way she wouldn’t be on horseback, bolstering her army with her magic.
Have you seen the sorceries the Carian's used? Each sorcerer is a veritable siege engine. And then there's the enchanted snare on the manor that completely repelled the Cuckoo knights. Imagine nonstop magic comets raining down on an army, it would be a nightmare for an invading force. Individual champions like the Tarnished could slip through of course but any large invading force would be easily repelled.
>cast barrier of gold
>win
wow how difficult
You're just delaying the inevitable. I'll beat your shit in up close while waiting for the timer to drop.
>>win
They didn't. If the GO could destroy Caria, they would have. The war ended because Radagon repented his crimes and married Rennala.
NTRing Rennala into mind break was the true plan all along.
Did Malenia’s forces ever breach the Carian manor or Raya Lucaria at all? They’re all around Liurnia, but it appears the academy is isolated and untouched, and the sorcerers even destroyed the stairs leading up to it.
I would think her plan has something to do with the massive lake of rot underneath Liurnia vertically
I’m pretty sure that’s from a completely separate era. That rot is from the original rot god. It intruded twice in the Lands. Malenia is the second coming of the Rot.
But the lake underneath gives you scarlet rot
why isnt it the same?
It is the same, but the lore tells you the scarlet rot came in the form of a scorpion god, and was defeated by a blind swordsman, the one who taught Malenia. The scarlet rot has appeared multiple times in history. Not just the once.
Malenia's sword sensei sealed a god of rot away at some point according to the items.
oh wait a minute
I just remembered
Loretta is guarding the haligtree. They got charmed into allying with malenia and miquella maybe. She was albinauric, and the albinaurics got wiped out in Liurnia by the erdtree faction
My brother in Marika, Loretta was a Carian knight that'll defected to the Haligtree because she was an Albunaric rights activist and wanted to lead them there. The game even says people calling her an Albunaric was absurd slander. She bleeds red.
Albunarics were being killed by the Academy and the Cuckoos (this is said in the Albunairic pot description). And I guess everybody since they are pretty universally hated by everyone but the Carians.
Probably because they were made by them. The nox managed to make perfect silver tear people who could walk. Carians probably tried again but failed.
I think so too. Wonder why Rykard tortures them so much though. Guess he got a little too much of that Golden Order in him.
Rhykard controlled the GO inquisition once, those albis were probably left over work. Albs are false life after all and associated with the heathen practices of the Nox.
Meanwhile Mohg is kidnapping them because high arcane possessing beings can interact with blood mommy, perfect subjects for his dynasty.
The silver tears in the eternal cities can barely take on humanoid shape, though. Even the Dragonkin lose their use of legs, like the Albinaurics. Only a select few tears can actually shapeshift, and the rest appear to be struggling to make shields out of themselves, or just spike in random directions. The balls appear to be forever shaped like balls.
It is entirely possible the Carians and the academy rediscovered and possibly even refined a few uses for the tears. Just like it is entirely possible that the eternal cities had their own night sorceries predating glintstone sorceries (still unsure if primeval predates night).
Your nox people have the same preset of nightfolk, who once bled silver. We know the nox were once numen, its possible they bolstered their population with silver tears.
That are people fricked albinaurics until they could walk thus the Nightfolk. Urumi the only weapon mentioning them other than the preset. It's a sword whip trying to be failing to imitate quicksilver weapon of the Nox.
>We know the nox were once numen, its possible they bolstered their population with silver tears.
Life works differently away from the Erdtree, so this is possible. Perhaps they had no other alternative to procreate.
The Eternal cities are also built into the ceiling, like they always were underground. The larger, older ruins might be the Numen civilization. They probably tried to make the best of things, once they knew they’d never see the light of day again.
All of the current "Nox" are mercury copies of the original Nox, who were completely exterminated by the greater will for the sin of attempting to usurp creation through alchemy.
Two-fingered hands typed this post.
The two fingers claim their civilization was burried, but this makes no sense, the cities are clearly built into the cave walls and even the cave roofs. What "Nox" remain that you fight don't actually do anything and also bleed silver.
There are giant corpses that sit in chairs that seem to imply the beings never moved. Latenna's sister is reminiscent of them and exists to breed. Pretty sure nox have always been a few salty numens and walking albinaurics.
Remember the black knives are native to the cities too.
I doubt that because their sins were why they were banished to begin with. But also they were always probably 90% fake people if they all used a miracle substance that could create life as the crux of their civilization.
The current GO says they were banished because that's what they would have done, because they think being away from the sky and light of the erdtree sucks. It does not occur to them that the Night People might have built their cities underground to start with (which they obviously did).
>But also they were always probably 90% fake people if they all used a miracle substance that could create life as the crux of their civilization.
Possibly. But my point is, by the events of elden ring, they are functionally extinct. Unless the weird albinauric baby momma quest also affects the silver tears I guess.
If the night folk no longer bleed silver they could probably breed with humans. Lattena's sister implies 1st gen can't reproduce probably due to imperfection. I think it states somewhere 2nd gens were a failed attempt to.
Either way the albs seem more concerned with survival and being free from oppression and are all Miqulla worshippers so I guess nox is fricked unless the lord of night quest is added back.
One thing is that the albinaurics aren't pure silver (literally "white gold") which explains how they could possibly figure out how to reproduce, they're real flesh mixed with mercury. Gen 1's are probably just human corpses mixed with mercury (their defects even resemble human mercury poisoning), while gen 2s were a more homogenous mixture.
By contrast, the Nox's silver tears are 100% mercury
>so I guess nox is fricked unless the lord of night quest is added back.
pssst. That's the Age of Stars ending. Ranni was fooled into taking up their holy war against the GW
Bluesilver set seems to imply albis are shat out of a quicksilver blob, sometimes with armor.
>source: a fricking pot told me so
Souls lore is so gay it might have been cool once but it has gotten completely obnoxious at this point
It's time to stop
That lake of rot was caused by the blind swordsman and the blue fairy sealing away the rot iirc
Either way it would've been far before malenia's time because the eternal cities were sealed underground before she was born
The lake of rot is the working of the blue fairy of the waters that accompanied the blind swordsman
Siofra means fairy in Oirish
Ainsel is the name of a specific fairy in a story
Malenia wouldn't want to mess with the workings of her Senpai as it seems the seal is doing it's job, more or less.
It's worth noting that, as per the typical dex sword master/student story in Fromsoft games, Malenia and the Blue Swordsman probably did eventually come to blows, because of or resulting in her first bloom, and his death.
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Prosthesis-Wearer+Heirloom
"A talisman engraved with a scene from a heroic tale.
Raises dexterity.
Though born into the accursed rot, when the young girl encountered her mentor and his flowing blade, she gained wings of unparalleled strength."
This also explains how her bloom in the boss fight can be her third, and not her second.
>wings of unparalleled strength
I one tried her 2nd stage took me 5 tries on her 1st in comparison it took me 6 days to beat Mohg
Well, uh, technically still not parallel
they were parallel with the ground when I was through with her.
It makes me wonder where exactly she bloomed the first time. I always assumed her first bloom was radhan, and the second one happened at the haligtree since that whole place looks like a rot bomb went off
No one breached Caria Manor Raya Lucaria. The Cuckoo's destroyed the surrounding settlement but nobody made is past the comet rain. As for the Academy those fricking nerds have been chilling with their glintstones up their ass since the Shattering started.
Yes. IIRC the Lucaria army was what became the Cuckoo Knights
A few trolls were also Carian Knights
There was ONE knight-wizard and he sucked dick. That's it.
>Weapon of knights sworn to Carian royalty.
>These knights' swords could serve as catalysts, letting them wield sorcerous battle skills. Despite numbering fewer than twenty, this power made them a match for even the champions of gold in battle.
still annoys me that the ash of war for their sword doesn't let it act as a staff to cast spells
That's why I wore his armour to kill the rest of Rennala's kids and their lackeys.
why is her head so small? isn't she a intgay?
Her Int is stored in her breasts
feet*
That's not even the limit of her powers... you have no idea
Canonically giant saggers she's hiding
>you will never get to suck on Rennala's big heavy milf milkers while fricking her on the cold floor of her study while she cries out to Radagon how good it is to have a strong man make her feel like a fertile woman again
Boc fricks her.
Well where else is she supposed to store her mana? That's what the manatanks are for.
do you guys think if she was a bloke that marika would just marry her instead
frick you for making me want to see a gender-swapped Rennala
Sorceries draw from a different font of power compared to incantations which come primarily from the GW iirc. Magic in Elden Ring is all drawn from cosmic forces, and the GW is at the time of the game severely weakened due to Marika breaking the Elden Ring, hence the scar on Elden Beast. We don’t know which cosmic power is more powerful than another, and we have no clue what powers are currently present (Blood mommy, rot god and their tulpa goddess, GW, etc.)
sorceries draw from the primeival current through understanding rather than belief. there are some exceptions like briar sorceries (basically incantations with a staff) and magma/death, which require belief to cast
incantations draw from the formless mother, frenzied flame, fell god, greater will, etc through belief in their power
all casting draws from the gods since their power is what made the lands between in the first place
>How was this b***h more powerful than Marika/Radagon when she’s not even a true demigod?
How are we more powerful than Radagon/the Elden Beast when we're not even true demigods?
>How are we more powerful than Radagon/the Elden Beast when we're not even true demigods?
we're just plucky tarnished blessed with the guidance of grace and being able to revive when killed. Plus having Melina strengthen us with runes and all the great runes we have by the end contribute a great deal. We still can't really stand up to an empyrean though, Ranni instagibs you if you piss her off, for example.
>Ranni instagibs you if you piss her off
Complete and utterly moronic horseshit that shouldn't be in the game. It proves that the b***h is some dev's OC waifu.
Malenia was an Empyrean though. In Ranni's case, I don't think the snap is something she can do to you anywhere.
Nah it's still fine. The reason why it works, and why I think she couldn't do that to you if you were to actually fight her, is that you're literally standing at the height of her mage's tower at the heart of her seat of power. She's had literal centuries of prep time to weave who knows how many wards and countermeasures there. It SHOULD be suicide to try and pull some shit on her there.
Now if she did instakill you in some other spot of the game, then I'd agree with you.
>Malenia was an Empyrean though
yea but she's been nearly consumed by scarlet rot. Plus she's still in her original body and is constrained by the Greater Will. Since Ranni cast off her body she's not tied down by any restrictions, and is by all intents and purposes at "full strength"
>The reason why it works, and why I think she couldn't do that to you if you were to actually fight her, is that you're literally standing at the height of her mage's tower at the heart of her seat of power. She's had literal centuries of prep time to weave who knows how many wards and countermeasures there. It SHOULD be suicide to try and pull some shit on her there.
that's actually a good point, hadn't considered that
Its still horseshit because she only appears at one other point in the game as a static prop and then disappears into a puff of smoke.
The themes and setup of Elden Ring is enjoyable but LITERALLY nothing happens in the game except combat. The souls games have intriguing and interesting characters who only have frickin idle animations and whose mouths dont even move when they speak.
there are only a handful of characters in the entire Souls library that even physically MOVE from the spot you talk to them. its the biggest disappointment of a game series in history narratively in comparison to how successful it is
nothing else in fictional media makes less sense than the way Elden Ring tells the story about its world. reading important lore from item descriptions is absolutely inane
Yeah I think it has become much more noticeable as the scope of their games increase. For Demon's Souls I could understand it, it was a niche title, but Elden Ring deserved more than it got in that regard.
>How was this b***h more powerful than Marika/Radagon when she’s not even a true demigod?
I've noticed quite a few times that people bring their own definitions into any game that calls a character a "god" (or "demigod"). Typically this is paired with disbelief that the player could triumph over such a foe.
There's no reason to assume that a character called a "god" is invincible, omnipotent, or even immortal in any particular setting.
Isn't her power derived from basically another god? The moon, stars, and space are considered their own kind of powerful entity. She was basically fighting on the same level as Marika, both deriving their powers from someone else.
>S-s-she is n-not even a D-d-d-Demigod..!!
Golden Order propaganda brainrot.
Sorcerers are stupid. The higher their intelligence, the more they turn into rocks. How is being a vegetable a good/smart thing?
You just wouldn’t understand *goes limp*
Hey man, I thought me and Sellen were going to bang when she lured me into that chamber. Now I'm just part of a rock with some other dudes.
>How is being a vegetable a good/smart thing?
That's only if you dabble in the explicitely forbidden dangerous magic. Rennala is the smartest sorcerer in the Lands Between, and she never turned to rock because she took a hardline stance against primeval magic.
> Rennala is the smartest sorcerer in the Lands Between
She can’t be. She isn’t a rock! Her brain is still mushy. Sad!
Thops said Sellen is the smartest sorcerer ever.
Thops is also a moron that couldn't believe Sellen was a serial killer.
Thops is also a genius who made the single most important discovery in the history of magic.
You can be a genius and still assume that your fellow banned academic is too cool to have done the things people are accusing them of.
What? But Eternal Darkness already existed. Primal Glintstone Blade too.
It's a specific type of magic that brings the transformation and it's not all downsides. Remember that Sellen could be in several place at once and managed to store her soul in a crystal and cheat death by getting you to move it to a new body.
On top of all this, the final stage of transformation probably isn't the faceball, it's eventually becoming an Astel.
> It's a specific type of magic that brings the transformation
No, glintstone sorcerers are cancerous/contagious in-general, as we learn from the glintstone dragons that eat them. To be more specific, a true glintstone sorcerer is just their heart, or primal glintstone, and they change bodies frequently, hence the cuckoo metaphor. Their robes and the Cuckoo armor say as much. Sorcerers are all partially rock people, and some aspire to be more like rocks than others.
Where is the Astel end game theory come from anyway? Astel was summoned by the Greater Will to punish the Eternal Cities. I get they are star spawn and sorcerers love them some stars, but going by verbiage, the Elden Beast is also a star spawn summoned by the Greater Will and they don't seem to have any love for that Ring.
Astel was not summoned by the greater will, the nox were exterminated before the falling star beasts ahowed up. But you're right the connection is tenuous. Graven spheres are described as star seeds, so people assume they must be falling star eggs. But more likely they would become a new kind of magic monster, because fallingstar beasts/astels have rough, rocky bodies, and no evidence of being chimeras like the graven spheres.
I feel like it was heavily implied:
>Long ago, the Nox invoked the ire of the Greater Will, and were banished deep underground. Now they live under a false night sky...
>A malformed star born in the lightless void far away. Once destroyed an Eternal City and took away their sky.
Either that or everybody just fricking with Nox skies.
The first is the GO being brainlets. If you go underground, the cities are built directly into the stone. The GO assumes it must have been a punishment because "why would anyone want to live away from the light of the sky?".
Astel DID frick up one of the eternal cities, specifically the one in deeproot depths. But just the one, Nokron and Nokstella are fine.
So did it metaphorically steal their sky by sending them underground, or did Astel steal the artificial night sky that was already underground? Was the dark moon also subterranean? A big spherical lump of black glintstone?
I keep feeling like the game is confusing people *on purpose*.
It is. There's a definitive history that occurred but its been centuries, if not MILLENIA since some of it has happened. So you've only got a bunch of broken records to go off of and have to trust the statements of demigods who have long since lost their damn minds.
If you think about it being a bag of meat that communicates by vibrating slimy pieces of flesh is kind of dumn. Information based lifeform on the KOSMOS is the way to go.
why does she have such a tiny head
The best cope for ERs schizophrenic lore is that it is literally not meant to make sense to the tarnished or the player.
Correct. It's supposed to be vague because you can't uncover all of the ancient history, or determine who is lying. It's also more enjoyable this way.
big feet = big power
and shes got some big grippas
>powerscaling elden ring bosses
I hate dbspics so fricking much
I swear to god FromSoft wings everything and their fans don’t realize this.
- Godfrey, first Elden Lord
- Placidusax, firstest Elden Lord
- Marika, the one true god
- Radagon, literally Marika
- Rennala, btfo’er of Leyndel
- Radahn, mightiest demigod
- Miquella, mightiest Empyrean
- Malenia, the undefeated
- Maliketh, feared by all gods
- Rykard, eater of the gods
How the frick does anyone assume anyone is the top dog?
>How the frick does anyone assume anyone is the top dog?
maybe because they're all locked in a stalemate and vying for the top spot? Of course they'd put on airs as the strongest one out there
>How the frick does anyone assume anyone is the top dog?
the tarnished is for kicking all their asses
It's a commentary on mythology and history you dumb homosexual. Everyone fricking petty tyrant in history thought he was the best, the smartest and most noble, the hero of humanity. The game slaps you accross the face with this concept immediately with Godrick.
Fittingly, the two most powerful entities on your list are also the two most humble.
And those would be?
Maliketh and Radagon.
My wife Ranni and my brother-in-law Blaidd!
Maliketh and Miquella
to be fair, Maliketh could actually wipe out everyone if he wanted to.
>How was this b***h more powerful than Marika/Radagon
There is no evidence to support your claim
There is all the evidence to support his claim.
Alright, so post it
Not doing your homework for you lorelet
>have no evidence
>namecalling
Thanks for surrendering your position
fail
>two Liurnian wars
>less than twenty Carian knights
>had to submit to her vegana
>signature spell costs more than Elden stars
And how exactly is this evidence that Rennala is stronger than Radagon?
there is no "absolute divinity threshold" in any FromSoft lore. The difference between a God and a DemiGod, between a DemiGod and a Human Being, is quantitative: "more" strength, "more" power, but never qualitative different strength and power (no genuine "divinity")
All that really seems to separate gods from men is that you don't get old if you're a god in From games and even that's not a hard thing with Undead being immortal so long as they don't lose hope or will
It's never said she's more powerful, just that Radagon and the Champions of Gold could not bring Raya Lucaria down and Radagon decided if you can't beat 'em, marry 'em. During this war she had the royal family, academy, and standing army all united. I can imagine an invading force would have issue with Cannons of Haima going off as they try to approach, only to be met with a handful of frickoffs spamming Carian piercer into their ranks while a bunch of troll knights scream at them. Remember the first time you walked up the Academy steps and those two bobbleheads opened fire on you? An army of that.
Lol at the people in-denial of the power of sorcerers in-lore. Lusat literally left his body and became a “child of the stars”.
The same way people refuse to believe Seath is the single most powerful Souls character—he won—and is still arguably “out there”.
>Seath
>single most powerful Souls character
uh..sweaty
He's fricking dead
Nope. According to Dark Souls 2 his soul lingers in the world, and it literally possessed Duke Tseldora. He is a body hopper now. Probably a side effect of being with the primordial crystal. Immortal only in the immaterial sense now. Seath also totally btfo’s the chosen undead the first time they meet—a consequence of his absolute imperviousness due to the primordial crystal. No one could beat him at such a point. You have to go out of your way to find his phylactery macguffin, in typical uber-lich fashion.
Seath and Aldia are very similar. Hmm.
>it literally possessed Duke Tseldora
holy brainlet batman
—“What skill. You've defeated my master.”
—“But our master never dies, only changes form, so that he may seethe for all eternity.”
Tark and Najka were both creations of Seath. Freyja drops the Paledrake soul. Tseldora is a husk once you find him. Tark also gives you the Third Dragon Ring.
It is obvious that Seath -is- the Paledrake Soul.
by the same logic that means Nito is literally the rotten, and Gwyn is the old iron king
which is fricking moronic
it's just a homage, moron
Well, yes, the souls of old obviously have an influence on their carriers, but there is evidence that Seath’s is a bit more…independent…
Souls were his thing, after all.
>but there is evidence that Seath’s is a bit more…independent…
Feel free to post your schizo theory, won't make it true though
See
That is not evidence in the slightest
the copest of cope is what that is
wishful thinking
How is it not obvious evidence? Are you wilfully blind?
Just because they put one of the four main bosses' souls in the sequel does not mean that they are literally them reincarnated
Not to mention that what is more likely than seath being the culprit is that the writhing ruin is the thing that is actually controlling the spider,a nd creating the halfbreeds
Nobody is saying they are them reincarnated. They are saying the Paledrake soul appears to have a mind of its own. The Duke was possibly Seath, and he left the body for Freyja, which is why Tseldora is a mindless husk by the time you reach him.
Also, Tark even uses the word “seethe” to describe his master/creator, who is -literally- Seath. So yes, it is quite affirmative that it was Seath who you “killed”, and since Duke Tseldora isn’t actually Seath, we can only assume Seath was possessing him. Or are we to assume Seath was somehow reborn as a human?
>They are saying the Paledrake soul appears to have a mind of its own
jesus fricking christ you people just make up your own lore at this point
Go on. Explain an alternative. Even though the text literally says it’s Seath.
>Go on. Explain an alternative.
>the text literally says it’s Seath.
>the Paledrake soul appears to have a mind of its own
homie do you even read what the frick you type
>Souls were his thing, after all.
no it wasn't
who invented soul sorcery?
Nobody knows, and I'm sure you're about to claim that Seath did, without evidence of course
>This sword, one of the rare dragon weapons, came from the tail of Seath the Scaleless, the pale white dragon who betrayed his own."
>"Seath is the grandfather of sorcery, and this sword is imbued with his magic, which shall be unleashed as a wave of moonlight."
and before you act like a moron and say
>muh SOUL sorcery
all sorceries in dark souls use souls
it saying he is the grandfather of sorcery is not proof that he created it
it could as easily imply that he inherited it
NTA but being called the "grandfather" of an invention or concept implies you introduced or created the idea before it was refined into it's most common form.
Alright I'll concede that he might have created "soul"sorcery
but that doesn't mean that he still isn't fricking dead
can you explain oceiros, then? he became like that after gleaning into the grand archives
what do you mean explain oceiros? are you implying From Software can't make blind dragons who are insane without it being a reincarnation of seath?
pretty much every fricking boss is insane
and every one of these "reincarnations" all have different motivations, you would have a case if all of them were trying to become immortal, which they are not
>are you implying From Software can't make blind dragons who are insane without it being a reincarnation of seath
They also look the same and even both have an invisible daughter
>They also look the same
No they don't, seath can't even fricking speak
nor does he have legs
>both have an invisible daughter
???????
seath is an incel
Guys is Seath an Albunaric?
>No they don't,
They have the same face and skin tone
>??????? Seath is an incel
Gwyn gave him Gwenevere and they produced Priscilla.
>They have the same face and skin tone
>anon thinks these faces look the same
I'm sorry for your face blindness
I'm not sorry for yours, autist
they clearly do not have the same face, as you claim
>both crystal sorcerers
>both invisible daughters
>both nobles
>both went crazy from research, which transformed them
>both are scaleless draconids
>"lol he's not nothing to do with seath bro"
>dude similarities
>that must mean they are the same person
this is your brain on autism
kek, now you're just fricking with me.
nice one, anon
i wasnt saying they are the same person doe
They both drop the Moonlight Greatsword too.
Lore threads are the best places to bait.
So does Midir. Wait, if you rearrange the letters in Midir.... S E A T H.
>So does Midir
No she fricking doesn't what the FRICK are you talking about?
>she
why are u ghey?
Midir is specifically referred to as a girl
"Midir, descendant of Archdragons, was raised by the gods, and owing to his immortality was given a duty to eternally battle the dark, a duty that he would never forget, even after the gods perished."
Anon...
Oh
I must be thinking of something else
Yeah, you were thinking about dragon wiener, obviously
Sis have you never beat Midir?
The sword is named after moonlight, but it is slightly different than the one fashioned of the paledrake Seath. Perhaps it is rooted in an older memory, from not long after the Beginning.
So I guess Seath wasn't the creator of Sorcery huh
reminds me of that dude on youtube who made increasingly tenuous connections about dragons' names
>kalameet = calamity
>sinh = sin
>midir, uhhhhh...... = murder
Lol
The first one is true though, since he does drop the calamity ring. Though in game, it's probably just anor londo calling it "Kalameet" in a telephone game after someone described it as a flying calamity.
It's real name is Guyra
Kalameet and Sinh are incredibly blatantly calamity and sin.
But Sinh has nothing to do with sin.
Sinh literally has the word sin in it, genius.
He's DS2's knockoff Kalameet (dlc dragon boss), and because Kalameet was named after calamity, the knockoff also gets an ominous double meaning to his name, Sinh/sin.
Sinh has not committed a sin, Yorgh did
shitty DaS2 lore has nothing to do with why the shitty bootleg Kalameet has an ominus double meaning to imitate Kalameet/calamitiy
>it's different therefore its shitty
Both these dragons have nothing in common except the fact that they are dragons
>"this shitty ripoff dlc dragon boss with the same naming gimmick and cinematic intro flying away as the first dlc dragon boss has nothing to do with it"
lol
lmao even
>similarities means they are the same
Damn,the autism runs deep here
>"blatantly the same doesn't mean anything"
lol
lmao even
Its not blatant, they are very different
>schizo going full flat Earther
I accept your concession
>Sinh is not reference to "sin"
what level of jilted autist do you have to be to type the first 3 letters and go "hmm UNRELATED"
lol
lmao even
>This was established a general dragon trope
...in DS1's DLC
with Kalameet
which Sinh rips off
blatantly
lol
lmao even
>I bet you didn't even know Kalameet is from kings field
well he isn't
the dragon is called Guyra in KF
lol
lmao even
straight failures on your part, homosexual
going full flat Earther
>moronic anon brings up unrelated things
Thanks for defeating yourself for me
(you)
>"wdym I'm as d-dumb as a flat Earther schizo for denying basic reality??,"
mentally ill moron both butthurt about being insulted and crycoping about ackshually winning against text on a Chinese cartoon webzone
lol
lmao
even
>what level of jilted autist do you have to be to type the first 3 letters and go "hmm UNRELATED"
What king of moron do you have to be to not understand the concept of a homophone? Sinh has nothing to do with sin. He's just a sleepy dragon.
>...in DS1's DLC with Kalameet
Nope, in BASE GAME DS1, when the bridge drake lands right in front of you when you emerge in upper undead burg. Play the fricking game.
>jilted autist definitively proves he's moronic
being willfully moronic just embarasses you further, morono
might as well claim Kalameet has frick all to do with calamity, that's the level of deranged schizo you've sunk
>'DLC high difficulty dragon boss with ominous name' trope
>"this thing that isn't a DLC dragon boss with an ominous name established it REEEEE"
actually mentally deficient poster
lol
lmao even
Sinh is not reference to "sin", it's just a name
>and cinematic intro flying away as the first dlc dragon boss
This was established a general dragon trope since at least base game DS1 and possibly much older in From's library. I bet you didn't even know Kalameet is from kings field
>They both drop the Moonlight Greatsword
Seath drops the MLGS, Oceiros doesn't. His soul is transposed into the MLGS.
Oh really? His SOUL creates the same sword Seath drops? Why would that happen?
because they wanted to put mlgs in the game as usual and needed a way for you to obtain it
the transposing kiln smelts twisted souls into weapons/items that examplify the qualities of the soul
Oceiros is obsessed with Seath and the moon, thus his soul can be forged into the Moonlight Greatsword
>both dragons
>both scaleless
>both have invisible children
>ocerios became a SCALELESS dragon after learning from SEATH'S grand archive
anon I'm becoming concerned you're actually stupid, please tell me you're just acting moronic on purpose
Yes, there's a connection, and a fixing obvious one. Ocieros was RESEARCHING Seath, because he thought becoming a dragon would make him stronger, and his research at least partially succeeded. That has literally fricking nothing to do with possession.
Seath is called the “godfather” of sorcery the same way the Witch of Izalith is called the “godmother” of pyromancy.
It is entirely possible the ancient dragons were sorcerers themselves, considering Seath “pillaged” the primordial crystal from them—but it is clear that Seath is the one who truly elevated it and refined it, similar to how the Witch “elevated” fire sorcery into pyromancy.
>Seath is called the “godfather” of sorcery
No, it's grandfather
fricking idiot
Here's the deal, shee, Seath is the godfather of sorcery, capiche?
Both terms are used, in-fact. I see you are being a pedantic b***h. Or maybe you’re just trying to keep the thread alive by being intentionally obtuse.
seath WAS obsessed with immortality, since he didn't have dragon scales. his knowledge has a penchant for driving people insane more than most. logan strisp to his bare ass to try and emulate him and oceiros becomes a lookalike. even if he never returns as he once was he sure as hell infects a lot of people to become like him, moreso than any other boss
fromsoft died with elden ring
I have 250 hours on Elden Ring and I still have no idea what the Elden Ring is
it's a DS3 dlc where you kill bad guys and doesn't afraid of anything
its the logic of the universe. remove rune of death = death seizes
As far as I understand it's a great rune that controls how society/life/order works. It's essentially the law of the land if the law were literally unbreakable by the normal people that follow it. At the start, when marika removed the rune of death and hid it with her YJK, it gave everyone eternal life, but that isn't necessarily a good thing when everything around you turns to shit and youre forced on living in a pitiful world. When she shattered it becsuse she realized it was a tool of control sent by ayy lmaos, it broke all of the rules of the world and essentially turned it into a free for all anarchy where people could do what they want to a certain extent. Some of the laws are still in place, for example, people still cant truly die, they will inevitably respawn, because the death rune is still missing (until the tarnished activates it and kills everyone). But the reason you can get mending runes to add to the elden ring is because you're essentially changing how the rules work while mainting the same basic order.
>fractured, things go back to pretty much exactly how they were before in term of the laws, but the world is still fricked up and broken from the inital shattering war and will likely take ages to fix
>order, "fixes" the original mistakes of the elden ring because aparently the gods didnt have to play by the same rules as everyone else and this was a big issue
>duskborn, essentially restablishes a system of death so that people no longer reincarnate or live forever in depraved states (i struggle to see how this is even necessary considering the tarnished literature has the rune of death upon mending the ring)
>peepeepoopoo, worst ending because everyone essentially gets giga aids and is cursed to be fricked up forever. It's the only ending that can't at all be argued to be an improvement in some way. Even with FF you can atleast claim that everything burns to death and it's all over so no one will ever suffer again after the burning lmao
I don't think Marika broke the ring because ayy lmao. Even the ring haters (nox) worshiped stars. Her motivation is unknowable because between her and Rado there are a lot of contradicting actions. The elden ring made the world, people need to get over the bloodborne shit that is not what is going on.
>duskborn, essentially restablishes a system of death so that people no longer reincarnate or live forever in depraved states (i struggle to see how this is even necessary considering the tarnished literature has the rune of death upon mending the ring)
There are multiple "modes" of death just like how there are multiple "modes" of magical/divine flame. There's destined death, ghostflame, ancestral spirit reincarnation and the frickery Godwyn spawned (deathblight and Those Who Live in Death). So I like to think Duskborn tries to reintegrate them into a functioning whole.
im not even sure marika shattered it because she had a plan or if she was in despair over godwyns death (which is similar to baldur's death in norse myth. Baldur was loved by every god so his death affected everyone in a negative way)
Gideon implies she only shattered it after Miquella got kidnapped, which happened well after Godwyn had died
>I heard speculation Miquella embedded himself in the Haligtree, but before he could finish, someone cut the tree open and absconded with his infant form.
>Perhaps the Queen's sorrow was justified
I think Marika knew Godwyn would be killed, but was confident Miquella's plan to bring him back would work so she let it happen. Once he got kidnapped she was out of options, Godfrey and the tarnished were her last resort
>>I heard speculation Miquella embedded himself in the Haligtree
He probably did, considering the boss arena with Malenia has a face in the tree
Mohg probably kidnapped some other kid, which somehow turned into a corpse egg
>Gideon implies she only shattered it after Miquella got kidnapped,
No he doesn't. Miquella was not even kidnapped until well into the shattering, around the time of the battle of Aeonia.
There is literally no evidence for this even if makes sense logically. It is never actually said when Miquella was kidnapped in any of the item descriptions or dialogue. Gideon's dialogue does imply that it had to have happened before the shattering, as he implies that Marika's grief is directly related to him
>Gideon's dialogue does imply that it had to have happened before the shattering, as he implies that Marika's grief is directly related to him
He never says anything to this effect. Marika's sorrow was over the death of Godwyn. If she was just upset about Mohg kidnapping Miquella (which nothing in the game supports), she could have simply bent some of her resources to recover him, something Radagon would not disagree with her about doing.
>So. The Haligtree, now but a husk... I heard speculation Miquella embedded himself in the Haligtree, but before he could finish, someone cut the tree open and absconded with his infant form. Indeed, it seems those words held weight. How vexing. That the All-knowing didn't have the full story... Perhaps the Queen's sorrow was justified...
Why the frick would he be talking about Godwyn in this context?
He's not talking about Godwyn. He's just assuming it happened before the shattering for no reason. It's not even logical, if he was kidnapped before the shattering, then Mohg would have been fricked six ways from sunday. This is consistent with the fact that Gideon is a fricking idiot, and draws only the wrong conclusions for his entire quest. It's kind of the point of his character
I always assumed this to mean that she felt justified in her fricking over of the world because her kids were shit.
A fair interpretation. Especially since he goes on to equate himself to their level by suggesting that Miquella ought to be destroyed while he slumbers, blind to his own hypocrisy.
It's a bunch of runes that determine the basic principles governing life.
The golden order is what we got when Marika took the rune of death (which makes it so you can permanently die instead of being resurrected/reincarnated/turned into a ghost or a zombie) out of the elden ring, so that nothing could die an actual death.
One thing I'm not clear about is whether or not you put the rune of death back in the elden ring at the end of the game. Some people think that's what Fia's ending does, but it seems more like that just turns everyone into zombies or ghosts.
>play carian simp run
>need to get adula's moonblade because it's one of the coolest(idk if best, but it feels like it, it can stagger pretty big enemies) sorceries in the game
>have to kill Ranni's pet dragon for it
This is why a FTH pyromancer run is actually canon for age of stars ending. Opposites attract and there's a fire and ice dichotomy going on. Imagine the sex between the full moon princess and a beefcake pyromancer
Anyways, on my carian simp run, my headcanon is that you don't actually kill Adula, but have a duel and when you've defeated her, she bows her head and teaches you her moonblade sorcery before flying off to be free and eat more wizards or whatever she does in her free time
Adulla swore a knight's oath and her only release is a knight's death.
>NOOOO000000 NOT THE HECKIN GOODBOI DRAGERINO FLAMY BOI SCALLIE
When I appear I must cut.
1. Radagon was using a small invasion force because Godfrey had the bulk of their army conquering Limgrave and Caelid.
2. Radagon was intermitently and unwillingly turning into a useless blonde c**t
3. Radagon realized that Raya Lucaria was no threat to the erd tree, and also decided he wanted to take their knowledge, which would be harder if they were properly conquered
>Bad writing
>Rushed release
>made for the ps4
must be an elden ring thread
They're all pretty even. Also she's definitely one of the weakeet bosses once you learn whats up
>How was this b***h more powerful than Marika/Radagon when she’s not even a true demigod?
Because magic is power.
i mean tark literally says that his master cannot die and will change forms to "seethe" for all eternity.
the paledrake soul also just says
>Soul of the ineffable
This once magnificent soul continues to exert influence over the land, even after the eons have reduced it to these remnants.
>i mean tark literally says that his master cannot die and will change forms to "seethe" for all eternity.
>dood he said "seethe" get it HE MEANT SEATHE
>the paledrake soul also just says
>Soul of the ineffable
This once magnificent soul continues to exert influence over the land, even after the eons have reduced it to these remnants.
So does THE OTHER THREE
YOU FRICKING moron
>i mean tark literally says that his master
oh you mean the writhing ruin?
dude its not seathe, give up your schizo theory
seath writhes quite a bit
le majique
>Marika/Radagon
are you troonycord homies REALLY still going with this Radagon is Marika bullshit?
homie they're on screen at the same time, that shit makes no sense
Marika is 'crucified' to keep the metaphysical law of the land between together, as a replacement for the broken golden rune, and while she's in that state you fight Radagon, who was the previous vessel for that purpose.
When descriptions say that they are one, they mean that they're now part of the Elden Beast, they're a vessel for it.
>are you troonycord homies REALLY still going with this Radagon is Marika bullshit?
It's literally the single most explicit piece of lore in the whole gane
>homie they're on screen at the same time
No they aren't. You even watch Marika turn into Radagon
Your headcanon is somehow even more stupid and convoluted than the actual lore
You guys DO realize that even intelligence users end up starting cults and religions right? Without faith?
The Grand Archives worshiped Seath “the Paledrake” in Dark Souls 3, and the twin sages were essentially spreading the gospel of Logan. They even used crystals to cast miracles using intelligence.
Then, in Elden Ring, you have the ‘graven mages’ of Raya Lucaria, who can be summarized quite simply as a full blown ego-erasing death cult, looking too deep into space.
The magic in these games is painfully ironic. You have sorceries disguised as miracles and miracles disguised as sorceries, in numerous different ways.
Graven schools were not made willingly. It's outright stated Sellen was killing sorcerers to make them by Jerran.
Sorcerers were willingly rolling other sorcerers into balls. Sellen likely shoved herself into one at the very end.
Sorcerers are also stabbing themselves in the hearts, killing themselves in the process, purely for a cancerous form of body-swapping immortality.
If you actually aspire to reach the likes of Lusat or Azur, you’re a self-hating idiot.
Sellen lived the dream
She didn't willingly do it. I assumed Rennala walked back into the room, pushed her shit in, and shoved into the ball so she could know what it's like to get her holes stuffed by the primeval current.
Rennala was literally pushed to the side of the room, anon. She is huddling away in fear, because she’s mentally a toddler.
Nobody knows what happened to Sellen.
>I assumed Rennala walked back into the room
she never left the room, Sellen just puts her in a corner
I love int/str so much bros. I love shooting one million lasers then smashing things with my giant ice sword
>mfw just realized the reason why Rennala's children can be demigods is because Radagon was a god all along
Good job anon
If anything can be learned from this thread is that lore attracts autists
that being said the writhing ruin is what made seathe be born without scales
This is the only logical explanation
It's just 2tards and 3trannies dickwaving over which game's retcon nonsense is the REAL lore
exactly
>DS2troony mercilessly butthurt and seething
1chads&3chads agree those two games are canon lol
I love how this schizo DS2gay still posts shit like this, when it's a moronic take only he posts and nobody agrees with him.
>trannies live rent free in anons head
It must suck to be you
>trannies live
Not if they have a say in the matter.
>still, he obsesses
>"trannies live rent free in anons head"
>3trannies dickwaving
DS2troony projection off the charts.
>mock 2gays equally as much as 3gays
>3gays automatically start squawking "2troony"
Both games are moronic and not canon you drooling tribalist morons
>everyone agrees 1&3 are fine together
>only mentally ill DS2troony pushes "l-le 3 is just as bad as le 2 cope", literally nobody else makes this dogshit cope post
>"WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY DICKRIPPED SCHIZOhomosexualRY IS BLATANT????"
1&3 are the kino duology and 2 is not canon, stay dickripped schizo-kun
KEK
my mother-in-law is so beautiful...
If I made myself look like Radagon when I re-stat myself, will she let me frick her pain away?
>Marika the eternal
>two fingers are choosing replacements for some reason
>two fingers are supposed to be voice of Greater Will but they choose 3 different potential replacements
are they just LARPers claiming to interpret the GW to gain more power? They seemed to have been the root cause of everything that led to the shattering in the first place. Two fingers seem like the most GRRM part of the story, even their name alludes to Littlefinger in GOT
also, why are all the other 2 fingers dead on their tower except for Ranni's?
>two fingers are choosing replacements for some reason
Marika defied them by smashing the ring, so naturally they want a replacement
>Marika defied them by smashing the ring, so naturally they want a replacement
they picked Ranni, Miquella, and Malenia as empyreans before that happened. If Ranni had never been forced into it, she never creates the black knives and the shattering never happens. Marika was expressing doubts in the Golden Order, I think the Two Fingers wanted a puppet to replace her to hold onto their own power
all the brainlet YT loregays focus on the shattering and what comes after instead of the root cause which is barely covered in the game. Maybe the DLC will go into it
>two fingers are choosing replacements for some reason
She has made it clear she is not happy in her position
>are they just LARPers claiming to interpret the GW to gain more power?
Yes.
>They seemed to have been the root cause of everything that led to the shattering in the first place.
No, that would be Marika herself. She made a dumb religion that rejected all life except humans with white hair gold eyes and then cried like a baby and smashed the elden ring when all her kids came out as weird mutants since they were incubated in the glow of the seed of all creation. Because she was a fricking idiot. That's why "Melina" exists, to atone for Marika's moronation.
Mohg and Morg were cursed by the Mother, not the crucible.
The formless mother is of the elden ring. Along with scarlet rot, death blight, probably the blood star, and maybe the dark moon. The only things for sure not of the elden ring on the lands between are the ayy lmaos.
Yes but that has nothing to do with my post.
Yes it does. I said that they were messed up by incubating right next to the elden ring, you said "they were cursed by the formless mother, not the crucible", I pointed out that she is of the elden ring.
Yeah I was only disagreeing with the implication that omen were crucible. Dumb meme caused by a single misinterpitation of a drop. More shit implies blood mommy is the origin of omen.
I'm still of the opinion those are the legs of a giant wormface, turned upside down and not fingers at all in Ranni's case
Ranni was the only demigod to throw away her great rune and not wage war. All other twofingers were punished by the gw to symbolize their mark for death.
interedasting
What exactly are The Lands Between... between?
It's the figurative "middle of the world" and the ER equivalent to Lordran of Place Where Anything CosmologicallyImportant Happens
Everything in this game is a metaphor for Marika’s vegana. What do two fingers fit into?
Does three fingers refer to putting one up Marika's ass?
>try fingers but hole
It’s sort of like Middle Earth, but not.
They are between the spirit world and the physical world as all of you are spirits
I mean you can see more land if you look west of Liurnia.
The place is quite literally the concept of "Axis Mundi"
Between life and death. They are the realm of the archons (demigods, each a rune of the Elden Ring) and the demiurge (Elden Beast) controlling the laws of reality with the Ring. Which is why everyone is both dead and alive at the same time, it's why the Tarnished must die to reach it.
How powerful Azur and Lusat are is left ambiguous since they don’t actually do anything in-game. It’s hard to tell whether their invulnerability is for the game’s sake, or if they’re actually a higher tier of Crystalian. It’s one of two things: either they’ve transcended themselves, or they’re more moronic than anyone else in the Lands Between. It’s one or the other. There is no third alternative.
The lore does not actually answer what really happened to them. They could have left their bodies for all we know, and Sellen even refers to Lusat as a “child of the stars”. They could also just be… vegetables…
This is why Sellen’s quest line is hilarious to me. I have no idea what the frick is going on, or if Sellen’s an idiot or not.
>I have no idea what the frick is going on, or if Sellen’s an idiot or not.
It doesn’t matter. She’s still your mistress and you will stay loyal, for her. My mind understands the Carians, but my heart stays with Sellen, who taught everything.
>The lore does not actually answer what really happened to them
their INT was too low to handle the current and they got mindbroken, only Carian GODs can handle it, hence why Rennala banned academy brainlets from fricking around with it. Her using Comet Azur implies the Carians already know the spells that broke them
>When Lusat glimpsed into the primeval current, he beheld the final moments of a great star cluster, and upon seeing it, he too was broken.
>the primeval current
We don't actually know what that is though
Anon, that’s game mechanics. We already had moronic reddit threads over “omg why did fromsoft give rennala comet azur she looks like a hypocrite now wtf”.
The player also doesn’t turn into crystal, or lose their eyes if they use frenzied incants.
Glintstone is just a cancerous substance, and primeval sorcerers shoved it into their hearts in ritual suicide. It still an no brainer that they’d be worse off than those that didn’t. I mean, Jesus, even the miners in the various caves are slowly turning to stone or crystal.
That may even be why they are the way they are—they didn’t swap out their primal glintstone often enough, and the glintstone within their bodies overtook them. They let it happen, for science.
Wilhelm looked into the primeval current and wasn’t broken, and glintstone is seen only to poke through his hands.
The crystallization process appears to happen over time. Alberich also has red glintstone over his head.
>It’s one of two things: either they’ve transcended themselves, or they’re more moronic than anyone else in the Lands Between.
It's both.
This. Transcending to another level seems to turn your brain into a giant living crystal... but now you're just a big ass gemstone that can't talk to anymore.
“your sexy teacher is a serial killer who rolls her victims into balls like some sort of sick ritual (every serial killer has one)”
“oh no… anyway…”
I hope he gets his own ending. Im curious what the Formless Mother would do to the world if she had her way with it
Metaphor
The Academy was literally suppose to be an allagory for scientific progress. The Golden Order simply represented the dogma of the Christian Church. But dogma and faith can never actually defeat knowledge and education. So they combined instead.
That's why their children represent the the three things in direct opposition to Christianity: Athiesm (Ranni), Satanism (Rykard), and blind militarism (Radahn).
>"We know "Kalameet" is derived from calamity because he is a calamity and drops the calamity ring. "
>jilted autist is literally too autistic to understand Kalameet sounds like calamity
schizo, you're just digging yourself further and further
>"Sinh has nothing to do with sin."
>jilted autist is literally too autistic to understand Sinh sounds exactly like sin
lol
lmao even
> He doesn't even breathe fire.
??????????????????????????????
just to put your homosexualry to rest, the Jap name is シン, which is romaji aka not an actual Japanese word
guess what sound it makes? SIN
lol
lmao even
>"not spooky"
>is literally called sin
lol
lmao even
>jilted autist is literally too autistic to understand Kalameet sounds like calamity
You literal Hispanic, I was explaining how we know it's not a coincidence. If Kalameet had nothing to do with the concept of calamity, then it wouldn't have any meaning.
>jilted autist is literally too autistic to understand Sinh sounds exactly like sin
Explain how the dragon is conceptually related to sin.
>??????????????????????????????
He breathes poison, not fire. In dark souls, "sin" is used in reference to the fire of chaos.
>just to put your homosexualry to rest, the Jap name is シン, which is romaji aka not an actual Japanese word, guess what sound it makes? SIN
And the Japanese word for sin is 罪, "tsumi", so that means in Japanese his name is not even a homophone for sin.
>lol
"Slumbering dragon" is not a spooky title.
>moronic ass name Kalameet (blatantly referring to calamity) would just be le coincidence if not for LE RING
jilted moron autist digging to the core of the Earth
lol
lmao even
>"Explain this nonsensical schizo horseshit that has nothing to do with the subject matter!!!!"
Holy mental illness, this schizoid moron is now too moronic to understand fricking NAMES.
Kalameet is not literally called calamity, his name is a glorified PUN you stupid homosexual. Sinh is a play on the WORD sin.
lol
lmao even
>He breathes poison
which is irrelevant, morono
lol
lmao even
>sin" is used in reference to the fire of chaos. (which is wrong btw)
...which has nothing to do with dragons, you rampant autistic nut
holy shit, you're moronic, like sub-employable level moronic
lol
lmao even
>name written with these characters that sound like the ENGLISH sound "sin" (aka "le homophone for sin")
>"BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS OTHER CHARACTER NOT IN THE NAME THAT SOUNDS DIFFERENT (aka you are a homosexual)
lol
lmao even
your embarrassment has bottomed, congrats
terminally moronic for life
>"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PARTS THAT AREN'T THE PART THAT SOUNDS SPOOKY"
I accept your concession, morono
lol
lmao even
PRAETOR RYKARD IS THE LORD OF THE VOLCANO MANOR ON MT. GELMIR. HE IS A RUTHLESS JUSTICIAR WHO COMMANDS A COMPANY OF INQUISITORS, REVILED FOR HIS SERPENTINE DEMEANOUR. THE VOLCANO, MT. GELMIR, LIES IN THE WEST OF THE ALTUS PLATEAU; THE REALM OF THE ERDTREE. IT WAS THE STAGE OF THE MOST APPALLING BATTLE IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE SHATTERING. RYKARD HAS COMMITED THE GRAVE SIN OF BLASPHEMY. MARKING HIMSELF AS AN ENEMY, NEVER TO BE FORGIVEN.
Thank you Gideon. Let's see here.
>About secret medallion
"FELLOW TARNISHED; DID YOU PUT THE HALIGTREE SECRET MEDALLION IN THE GREAT LIFT OF ROLD?" Ofnir asked calmly.
>"tarnished, did you turn by adopted daughter into a puppet onahole for Seluvis?" Ofnir said calmly while stretching his legs
Nox were sent underground for being b***hes, but they KEPT ON being b***hes even when underground, lmfao
I think it went them being b***hes and annoying greater will and being sent to underground.
While in the darkness of the underground they went "Well we will make our own Night Sky! With hookers and blackjack!" but then it turned out that instead of blackjack they got Astel and the only hookers were them being b***hes.
Kalameet has THE most boopable noodle nose
cuz she has the biggest feet
>jilted autist finally realized his own moronation
I accept your concession
lol
lmao even
Marika requested the GW to bury her own people, for reasons. She was a rebellious c**t. Ranni is a polar mirror of her.
That's why people who view Elden Ring as a metaphor for the fall of the Catholic Church's power over Europe see Ranni as representing atheism.
>Catholic Church over Europe
the other half is Orthodox
Who do you think the Tarnished are?
what is an "unkindled"?
nothing. the answer is, nothing whatsoever.
He's talking about it in the sense of the game being a metaphor for Christian stuff.
The Tarnished are Protestants. Malenia and the Haligtree are the Orthodox Church.
>Atheism
Gnosticism
For what reason did you interject with your little smartass comment? It's not even relevant to the point he's making.
Because he came to the wrong conclusion. The platonic allegories present in Ranni's questlines and the subsequent ties to the Sethian Branch of Gnosticism would be obvious to anyone with even the barest level of study, even ignoring all the obvious allusions to the works and spirituality of william blake
Wow you're a pedantic homosexual. Put more focus on the exoteric themes of secularization as a result of gradually drifting away from the dogma of the theocratic world order (which is analogous to the protestant movement in the catholic church and separation of church and state) instead of browbeating. I know what gnosticism is, dumbass.
Because the cosmos (which is where they draw their power from) is way bigger than the Erdtree which is a single entity.
It also has massive drawbacks of you frick up your sorceries.
dung, O dung
This entire game is just an allegory for men getting shoved into the longhouse.
Elden Ring has such a frustratingly feminist setting lmao.
Mohg and Rykard broke free from their longhouse behavior, however.
Rykard sure, but boypussy is still pussy, Mohg, and a sewer is still a sewer even it's full of blood
Wasn’t Rykard a legit homosexual in the original scrapped text?
No. There was a line of text about how someone else loved torture, which gays intentionally misconstrued as him being Rykard's male lover, because gays are a cancer that try to force themselves onto fiction and history
It literally described him as Rykard’s “paramour” lol
WHAAAAAT
It's clearly someone who used a word they didn't understand, which is why the text was changed. It doesn't even make sense within the context of the item description.
Yeah yeah, From made it even more explicit in Armored Core 6.
You're in denial. They were secret sadistic bdsm lovers.
Literally nothing Rykard did in his entire life was "secret". He's the lord of blasphemy, an open heretic who flaunted the golden order, destroyed a minor erd tree, and turned himself into a colossal monster. The entire race of serpent men are his bastard children.
But he's not a gay.
> The entire race of serpent men are his bastard children.
The snake he fed himself to was male
GaaaAAAAaaay
There was a second snake that served as the mother, found in the temple of eiglay (also ffs From, that's an awful pun)
That is shedded skin
That is the molted skin of the old snek.
Either Rhykard was raping women to make snake men or ehigy or whatever is female and shitting out eggs.
"Eiglay", literally Egg Lay. Well I guess it's more subtle for a non-English speaker
The current text for Daeducar's Woe implies that the most evil woman alive basically served as the broodmother of all the Snake Men because giving birth to Satan's babies was the ultimate transgression she could commit. Probably came herself to death.
Don't forget being a brutal inquisitor that tortured albinaurics.
Maybe "paramour" was supposed to something like "admirer" and it got mistranslated.
But is that what is currently in the game or did they remove it with a patch? If it was changed afterwards then it's clearly a mistranslation and they removed it to not give the impression that he was a homo. If it's still there, then yeah, rykard is a fricking homosexual
I think it's one of the many descriptions they didn't mean to use, that were accidently put in the game the day it came out.
It was removed in the first patch, which he knows.
The word ‘love’ is used
The only gay character is Mohg, who's (accurately) portrayed as a diseased, demonic pedophile.
>HH in captcha
Dung Eater is also gay, and fittingly, the most evil person in the game
Dung Eater defiles everyone equally
Dung Eater wants to inflict misery on all life, but all his sexual targets are male
Damn, Fromsoft is red pilled
Godrick cut off his penis (his lower body is gone) so he’s a bit like a transexual
Ah you know he sewed on a ogre schlong
>build a competing erdtree
>plan to usurp the elden ring, save Godwyn, and save those spurned by the GO
>get kidnapped and raped by Mohg as you're downloading yourself into your tree
Miquella was a good boy and he didn't deserve that.
>be liberal moron
>get raped by the things the Golden Order chuds warned you about
Omen lives matter bros... I'm thinking maybe the GO was right about some things
It's actually Malenia's fault, she was supposed to guard him but got distracted by Radahn's big warrior wiener
Ironically the omen are among the only persecuted beings not affiliated with the Haligtree in any way.
Guess not even Miquella wanted them.
Because despite homosexuals thinking Omen are crucible related Miquella only has pity for the once revered misbegotten and sees no reason for Albinaurics to be hated despite their unsavory orgin.
Omen are suffer beings. Born with painful horns, burning blood and souls of tortured people haunting them constantly.
The Formless Mother is perhaps worse than the Rot God and Miquella is all about shutting down unsavory outer gods.
>and souls of tortured people haunting them constantly.
Yeah what the frick is that about. The omen killers use a mask that apparently is based off of a nightmare every omen suffers from, what the frick even causes that
Yeah I wonder if there are any characters in the lore that do shit with the dreamworld.
Everything about the formless mother suggests she's a pain diety. The Mother of truth loves wounds, etc etc.
Under the erdtree, you were healed by golden rays. I imagine in the age of splendor pain was an alien concept. FM got cucked pretty hard so like the scarlet rot popping up once in a while people were born with pure suffering in mind.
Mohg wants to start a dynasty with the b***h, but I think in the end poo poo pee pee man is the true vassal for the entity.
Yeah it's kind of Funny, all of Mohg's hatred and ambition was snuffed out by the only weakness to the Formless Mother's misanthropy: genuine love.
The Dung Eater, by contrast, knows only the purest hatred, for all that live. To the point that he can only even conceive of collaboration by delusionally coming to the conclusion that you and him are the same person.
>knows only the purest hatred, for all that live. To the point that he can only even conceive of collaboration by delusionally coming to the conclusion that you and him are the same person.
The funny thing is it's not really far fetched just a leap.
Twins carry the same soul and share sensations and significant effects (Ds twin turns into a wreck because he experienced death blight but didnt die, Morgott is cursed by Mohgs blessing from the FM) they are considered an abomination and probably for that reason loved by out boy Dung Eater.
He probably thinks you're him and his twin, his soul occupying another body so of course that'll be the only person to help him with his goal.
He's a funny guy
Morgott is cursed simply because he is an omen, it's not related to Mohg's embrace of the formless mother. Other omens in the sewer use the same kind of gross brown omen energy that Morgott has. D and D were likely closer than twins, probably, as the armor suggests, conjoined at birth.
>burning blood
Wasn't that mainly just Mohg and Morgott?
Most of the other omens and the related revenants don't have any blood flame stuff.
Stronger omens in the sewers spew disgusting brown fire that looks like Morgott's curse energy (and, terrifyingly enough, the Dung Eater's magic)
No, that's wraith shit. The caller bell explains what those are.
Omens seem to be people born hounded by cursed spirits. Dung Eater emulates the process.
It's a soul-based Int/Faith type of magic with colors close to deathblight, it's probably not too distant from the deathbird stuff. There's even an omen and commoners in the Leyndell outsirts who use Fia's Mist.
Well whatever's going on with the omens in the sewer, Morgott has it, not Mohg's formless mother stuff, which is very very red.
The Elden Beast uses primeval sorceries
It’s all connected — all stars
The GW is the sun unironically.
post her feet
imagine how sweaty they get and the marks they leave on the cold marble floors
haha
Maybe the Moon God is just stronger than the GW its why Radagon had to go in there to knock her up just to defeat her.
Rykard sounds gayer than Mohg tbqh
elden ring lore is so fricking boring. it's like everyone feels obligated to care about it because people cared about dark souls lore 10 years ago.
This post's lore is so boring
It's like everyone feels obligated to (You) it because this poster has been a gay for his entire life of 12 years (impressive)
That's because it's specifically written for people who like Dark Souls, dingus.
If it makes you feel any better, George RR Martin actually has a big ass document that basically explains everything. He created the backstory and lore for everything and then Miyazaki basically had an apocalypse happen to destroy and muddle all of it.
I like dark souls and I think elden ring lore is fricking boring.
>That's because it's specifically written for people who like Dark Souls, dingus.
Dark Souls lore was cool and exciting because it was a better paced game and pulled off the subversion of the hero's journey far better. In Elden Ring you're just mindlessly ambling about receiving lore dumps from various NPCs.
elden ring as a narrative completely fails because there's no reason your character should be able to accomplish anything. in dark souls your scrub character is able to kill gods because they're already broken. in elden ring you can kill them at or near their peak because you're the main character. I'm sure gays have some bullshit excuse for this like "hurr guided by marika", but that's all it is, an excuse. thematically, it's fricking gay. it's nothing like demons souls or dark souls or even bloodborne.
The problem is that a God slayer shouldn't control like a Dark Souls protag and be getting his ass kicked by bears and shit.
they are Dire Bears
>I'm sure gays have some bullshit excuse for this like "hurr guided by marika",
YEAH BECAUSE BEING GUIDED BY GOD IS TOTALLY NOT A GOOD ENOUGH ANSWER FOR HOW YOU CAN CHALLENGE THE DEMIGODS
YOU FRICKING homosexual
it's not. it's shit writing designed to cover a plot hole, but fails on a thematic and aesthetic level. all anyone ever cared about dark souls lore for was the thematic and aesthetic level.
>it's not. it's shit writing designed to cover a plot hole,
It IS the plot, discord troony. You have NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.
the plot sucks. moreover, nothing in the game explicitly says you were guided by marika. if anything, on a surface level, the game suggests you're foiling her plans. seethe.
>the plot sucks.
You suck.
>nothing in the game explicitly says you were guided by marika
The defining characteristic of your character is that you can see and are guided by Marika's grace. And then you specifically get sought after by "Melina", who hands you a step by step instruction manual to save Marika from Radaon.
>if anything, on a surface level, the game suggests you're foiling her plans
That literally could not be farther from the truth, except for the frenzied flame ending
>That literally could not be farther from the truth, except for the frenzied flame ending
what you literally do during the game is collect the runes from her offspring and reform the ring she deliberately broke. there is no possible ending wherein you do not reform the ring in some fashion.
Marika/Radagon wanted no ring. you remake the ring.
Her attempting to destroy the elden ring to attempt to prevent it from taking over her will is the action that she is trying to correct, to free the world from Radagon's permanent stagnation that she unwittingly enabled and mend the schismed lands between.
none of this is explicitly told to the player, which is what this line of conversation is about in case you forgot.
I've played the game many times in many ways and nothing is cooler than the most basic shit in bloodborne.
>none of this is explicitly told to the player
It is, if you play the game, and actually listen to Melina
listen to melina? you mean the cryptic bullshit she says when you visit the churches? yeah I didn't really pay much attention to that. melina's character is also not very clear.
I'm gonna be honest, I laughed a bit when the game expected me to give a shit about her in the Mountaintops of the Giants. Frick no I'm not gonna burn the world down to save some girl that's almost a complete stranger to me.
You burn the world because it's shit.
kek yeah isnt the world of elden ring like purgatory hell for normal people?
>yeah I didn't really pay much attention to that.
Well no wonder you didn't understand the story
I don't believe you remembered all those lines the first time you played the game. Out of context, they just sound like cryptic nonsense.
the game leads you to believe that grace is not benevolent from nearly the start. certainly when you meet the creepy nasty fingers nobody who isn't completely clueless would assume everything is completely normal.
>That literally could not be farther from the truth
gideon literally tells you "she doesn't want you to win". you can say he was wrong, but that is the only clear statement of her intent in the game.
>the game leads you to believe that grace is not benevolent from nearly the start.
Yes, by a guy who's obviously evil, and is later revealed to work for the gay devil of blood and murder. Elden Ring is a thematic refutation of Dark Souls. "What if order and faith in the light of creation isn't a Faustian bargain, actually"?
>gideon literally tells you "she doesn't want you to win". you can say he was wrong,
He was wrong. That's the point of his character, he's wrong about everything. "A man cannot kill a god!" And guess what happens next?
all of that is interpretive. it's not blatantly obvious. that's the point.
It's extremely on the nose. All of the people who hate the golden order on a fundamental level are almost cartoonish villains. The only unambiguously good characters in the game are those who find fault in its vestigial, incorrect, or counterproductive elements, and seek to remedy them for the sake of the world.
the game doesn't make it clear what the golden order even is. its primary representative is a pair of disgusting rotting fingers that talks to you through a midget hag. yeah, totally, obviously the good guys.
It's a religion.
>its primary representative is a pair of disgusting rotting fingers that talks to you through a midget hag. yeah, totally, obviously the good guys.
Well yeah. They're old and gross and a bit confused, like their church. But what do they say? "Kill the evil demigods, take their great runes, reach the erd tree, restore the elden ring and save the world". How, exactly, is that objectionable?
and then you do it, and they stop talking to you, and then you commit a "cardinal sin", and then you kill radagon, who is marika, and you mend the elden ring that marika shattered, which apparently marika wanted you to do
none of this is obvious.
The fingers explain why they don't talk to you. They don't understand the situation and need to talk to the greater will about it, which could take a while. In the mean time you figure out the problem: the elden ring itself (via Radagon) has hijacked Marika and is acting against her will. So you commit a sin against the golden order, which reveres the erd tree, by burning it, so that you can do the much more important task of beating the shit out of the elden ring until it stops misbehaving
the fact that you can find gold in bear-shit makes Grace as a concept seem completely alchemical and only divine due to human judgement. Theres a good, STRONG theme in the game but it was completely wasted on circlestrafe simulator 2022
>Gnostic-tard discord troony doesn't even understand the golden shit metaphor
"Gold-tinged excrement is a highly stable substance; it doesn't dry out, nor does it lose its customary warmth or scent.
For better or for worse, it remains as it is."
It's a metaphor for the nature of the world under the current golden order under Radagon
genuinely what the frick is wrong with you. what you just shat out yourself was the explicit implication of the post and you still decided to sperg out
You're right I'm sorry, I misinterpreted what you meant.
>what you just shat out yourself was the explicit implication of the post
No, it's precisely the opposite. Divinity is real, it's just being used in a bad way at the moment.
WHY are you replying for me, you fricking moron?
Divinity is not a real attribute. The powers present were gifted from entities that are simply foreign. The worship of them and their validity as Godheads is subjective. Grace is basically a virus inflicted on a host. The alchemical theories can be entirely replaced by scientific nomenclature in modern counterparts.
Marika can be seen as a God but shes only a puppet for a planetary infection. There are even said to be other entire forces at work in conjunction with her. is Gravity divine? if people worshipped the ocean still, would the tide be a divine force? What about the moon? is a woman's menstrual cycle a divine curse?
No its just stuff that does stuff, Divinity is a sociological or anthropomorphic component its not a real thing that causes actions to occur. which might be now semantics on my part but i dont think "Divinity" can be wielded like fire or something.
The elden ring is the source of all life on the planet. The Greater Will is a true creator god of the lands between, and almost everything on it is ultimately derived from its light. Marika isn't a puppet, if she was, she wouldn't have been so fricking moronic. No, what she is, is a completely unnecessary interceptor between man and God, and her dumb religion which worships a tree instead of God, must be reformed.
To be fair, the Tree is a god in its own right. Are we going to argue a plant can't be divine?
It's not. It's just a tool. Marika's golden order is a cargo cult that worships a big tree they think must be divine because it is big. They literally had to rewrite parts of the religion which said there could only be one erd tree and then after the shattering dozens of tiny erd trees started growing everywhere. It's nonsense. None of them seem to grasp the concept of a cosmic entity, and treat the works of the greater will as being synonymous with the greater will.
The Elden Ring is in control of all life, not the source. Theres nothing to suggest it "created" life, only "blessed" it or rather more straightforward infected it. nothing she did was moronic, thats like saying any ruler displeased with the terms of their monarchy is moronic. Most royalty is continued under the idea that they are emplaced by God and deserve their titles. Marika suddenly decided that was not valid reaosning.
The elden ring is the source of all life. This is stated by the elden stars description and in the Frenzied Flame quest, although the latter obviously considers it a bad thing. That's why Marika's kids all came out fricked in various ways, they inherited random aspects of creation into their physiology and spirit. It's also why destroying the elden ring in turn destroys all living things. The erd tree is dispensable, it's not even the first of its kind, but the elden ring itself is not.
>nothing she did was moronic,
Out of remorse for the death of her son, she destroyed half of her own body, got herself locked in a dungeon for an eon, caused a giant war that ruined the lives of most of her other children, and completely fricked up the whole country. Even she admits she fricked up, which is why "Melina's" sacrifice is an atonement, not merely martyrdom.
when the ring was destroyed it didnt destroy all living things. because things are stil lalive when you start the game. Nothing youre talking about is even the slightest bit coherent and just sounds like post-game theorising of a thin plot youve forgotten and decided to invent the last half of.
a Monarch Godhead taking action against a status quo cant be boiled down to "shes moronic" despite how ineffective the action was. i wouldnt first call someone who dies in a revolutionary act a moron quicker than id call you b***hmade for trying to disregard any actual action taken against a dubious force.
Who is the gloam eyed queen. stop being an autist over a videogame that doesnt give you answers. where is it referenced that Melina was born to Marika and became the gloam eyed queen. why does the game have oh so many item descriptions of enigmatic heroes and figures and completely fail to link such a statement together clearly enough to make it an obvious plot.
you screeching "FRICKIGN moron" because players arent cross referencing 19 different item descriptions to piece together a plot if not a point in favour of the telling of that plot.
where is this revealed. i ask again. until im given the specifics im going to have to be facetious and just say "you made it up" and ill likely receive no actual reply
I know Melina was "Born beneath the Erdtree" but continuously my issue with the game is having so much to it and doing absolutely nothing to give it to you. "figure it out on your own" is as dogmatic as the Golden Order itself with people defending the game not giving you information as you being a lesser member of the audience for expecting something created to tell you something, not telling you that thing. If i read a book and it consists of only vague short descriptions of things then "im not going to spoonfeed you" when you ask someone what it meant is an insane retort
Let's take the marika = radagon thing for example
there's churches all over the place and some have marika statues and some have radagon
in one of the radagon churches melina says spoken echoes linger here as well and she basically says something marika would say.
If you paid close enough attention to the details you would have seen it before the reveal. But it is vague.
This also explains why gold mask gets stumped once radagon enters the picture.
They convey the story in a very vague/obscure way and it's taken me a few playthroughs to see it more clearly and see more dialogue from doing things in different orders. I can only imagine how it must be for people that have trouble remembering names when so many begin with G, R and M.
>"Says something Marika would say"
>Marika has no spoken lines and no written recorded thoughts in the entire game
>no personality is given to the character whatsoever. she has absolutely no input during the experience as an entity other than causing the plot to occur, described in a single sentence during a single illustration in the intro
>when she appears in the game she is literally a broken, lifeless statue
do you understand why im so vehement that people who say they understand the story necessarily have to invent headcanon to make sense of it
>when the ring was destroyed it didnt destroy all living things. because things are stil lalive when you start the game.
Marika broke the ring into parts, she didn't destroy it, even if it was her goal. You can only actually destroy it in the frenzied flame ending, and when you do, all living things are destroyed.
>a Monarch Godhead taking action against a status quo cant be boiled down to "shes moronic"
Actually it can. Because this is a Fromsoft game, and they are much simpler and more cynical than a lot of people are willing to admit. You still have people who will argue until they're blue in the face that Malenia isn't evil, when the whole point of her character is to make fun of morons who give evil women a pass because they're hot.
>Who is the gloam eyed queen.
Some lady who used the rune of death to hunt gods before the golden order. Was defeated by Maliketh, who took the rune of death. Either was Marika herself or was killed by Maliketh and spirit tuned by Marika, like Hewg says Marika could do.
>where is it referenced that Melina was born to Marika
Boc's quest
>and became the gloam eyed queen.
The frenzied flame ending
>why does the game have oh so many item descriptions of enigmatic heroes and figures and completely fail to link such a statement together clearly enough to make it an obvious plot.
It does, you're just stupid.
but in the Frenzied Flame it isnt the ring being destroyed that kills everyone its specifically the Flame being cast over the entire world.
like i said, youve just invented shit and claimed it as fact and continue to say "well youre stupid". If a story has the capability to make you call other people stupid for not knowing important facets of it its a shit story. Elden Ring is not a complicated game. FromSoftware do not cater to learned and scholarly minds. They purposefully obfuscate certain details for the gimmick of "mystery".
Youre the biggest fricking idiot for not identifying it and instead thinking youre somehow smarter than someone else for making up lore.
>some lady
should not appear in your answer for "who is this character".
>"she hunted gods before the golden order existed"
one more FRICKING time. where. is this stated. clearly.
From soft games aren't stupid, but they are hard to understand, because From makes them confusing on purpose!
Or maybe you're just dumb.
>where is this revealed
The three butterfly types each representing one of Marika and Radagon's kids.
Empyreans, all.
The whole concept of Erdtree was good shit falling down, enriched and collected by plants, lifeforms and humies, with the humans eventually stuffed back to the tree roots for the good stuff fall back again, in a direct violation of the previous natural order. There are various other options for existence-after-death, like the spirits who simply hang around until potentially budding anew.
Those who live in death or Undead are simply a flaw in the new order, the result of people who were supposed to be stuffed back to the roots having their "Shinji, get in the damn robot" moment.
Every souls game factors in the ability to absorb power from those you defeat. Im souls you merge the souls you've collected into yourself and forge powerful weapons from the souls of defeated gods.
It's no different in Elden Ring, you collect tiny fragments of the Elden Ring and become closer to divinity.
you never become anything close to as powerful as in elden ring. there's a reason the final two bosses of demons souls are a helpless women and a lump of shit.
and you never actually feel godlike in elden ring. you always feel like a fatass rolltard fighting these crazy bosses. bloodborne makes you feel like more of a badass and is significantly lower power level.
I'm starting to think you literally fell for the "If you did X, you didn't beat Elden Ring" and had a shitty time being Str/Vig idiot never using spells or ashes.
spamming laser beams is not badass.
>thinks that Comet Azul is literally the only spell in the game
magic in elden ring is exactly as boring as it's been in every other game. having you use a stupid stick to cast spells is also deeply uncool.
that's moronic. I don't care about autistic powerlevel who would win in a fight bullshit. the enemies you fight in the game reflect what your character can do.
>magic in elden ring is exactly as boring as it's been in every other game. having you use a stupid stick to cast spells is also deeply uncool.
It does suck that we have to watch Rennala make ranged magic look cool and dynamic while all we can do is stand in place or slow walk while firing spells off. The Carian sword/hammer spells are much more fun to frick around with.
Again, REALLY starting to think you just didn't bother to actually play any other way than "Big number go vrrmmmm".
>INT shit
>Not being a FTHchad
kys
why did they give FTH so much in this game?
It's got bleed, madness, death lightning, the sleep torch, maliketh's stuff (other death debuff), poison, scarlet rot, black flame, magma, on top of most of the usual buffs.
Int is just like: basic attack spell and frostbite
Magma is Int, not Faith. It also has bleed through thorn sorceries (lol).
Magma is technically int/fai but almost all its spells sans Rykards Rancor require relatively low Fai so its perfectly viable for high int builds(ironic considering the Rancor is a very good spell)
Gelmir staff is ironically shit for int/fai anyway so if you want to do magma no reason to invest in int/fai.
Faith is the true role players stat dump, INT is just various flavors of blue/purple rock and cold.
I suppose it makes sense in a game that has like 10+ demigods or whatever they really gave you a lot of different options there.
actually looking at the sorceries it's both int/faith requirements
>Hybrid builds
I fricking hate Miyazaki's shit, I hope the DLC gives more split-caster support.
unless it's a faith powered laser beam from a dragon head
I hate how that spell isn't a dragon communion spell.
Hey now, pure strength is probably the easiest in the whole game to get through the bosses.
>There is a reason the final bosses of demons are X
Because it was supposed to be an ironic thing that King Allant was rendered into a blob fetus. You still defeated a demon with all the powers he had in his prime, it says nothing about the power of the protag.
>near or at their peak
That literally only applies to, like, Godfrey, Maliketh, and Morgott. Everyone else has been laying around in a state of centuries old decay. And by the time you fight those three, you've wiped the entire Lands Between's ass and become worthy of being Elden Lord. You
GRMM made a list of names and fricked off back to his drug den, he doesn't have a document of shit.
Elden Ring lore is better than Dark Souls lore and you hate it because you're bad at the game.
Blah blah post wrists homosexual.
>be Morgott
>mom nuked the very fabric of existence
>dad went away
>Erdtree tells you to frick off
>Monarch of Leyndell, half destroyed
>abominations and FRICKING TARNISHED SHITTERS everywhere
>brother rapes your half brother every day
No shit he's mad all the time
>rapes
we don't know that, maybe it's love.
Sexual love can only exist between two people of the same race and opposite sex. Everything that falls outside of that is a fetish and a perversion
Simple as
(;•_•)
>be morgot
>wonder why everyone hates omens
>look over at mogh
>>oh yeah, that's why. I guess theyre right
Simple as
Basically. He doesn't name Mogh a traitor to the Golden Order because he's basically raping one of the traitors to death and was never part of the Order to begin with.
Yeah that really brings to question marika. I thought the elden ring was essentially a reality codebase being able to control how the world works. How do you even fight against that? To write it as if they had to have armies go against each other just seems stupid.
Star shit acts independent of the Elden Rings power.
Its basically a "could God make a burrito so hot even He can't eat it" situation.
>Marika is the physical container of the Elden Ring
>Time to activate Operation: Frick the Golden Order
>While Godwyn's death is making everyone go nuts, you physically break the Elden Ring
>Fricking everyone grabs a piece and scatters
>Super Fundementalist Radagon back-up activates and tries fixing what's left; sealing himself inside the Erdtree so no-one can bother him or take more of the Ring
>Lands Between very OBVIOUSLY fall into disarray
>Demigods fight to a stalemate because they all counter each other with their stolen shards and get weakened too much to do anything to anyone else
Why can't I kill Azur?
He's too smart
Godfrey and his Crucible Knights were Marikas true Sword and Shield, they were the Equivalent to the Carian Knights not the dog shit Radagon Order.
I am going to marry Ranni
Why can't I kill Ranni?
What was his deal?
How is slander the greatest crime in all of middle earth and why did he become the spokesman of chaos?
magic words, it seems like his slander actually poisoned people someone and invited chaos into them. the afflicted on that tower casting constant madness from the giant eye was probably alot more common a thing until it was stopped and him cast out/executed.
its a really cool plotline, shame its told in the worst way fricking possible
So he was associated with the frenzy before he became whatever the hell he is now?
But the item says he wasn't inhabited by Frenzy until after he had his eyes gouged. I do agree though, I wish we could have seen more of his story but hey that's FromSoft storytelling for you.
same way Cthulu-tier shub-shit probably isnt present in people at the exact moment they learn about it but he probably slowly started to believe it until becoming a host
Shabriri told the truth and was punished for it. The FF is all about the truth, people just think its madness.
Three Fingers is the only god that blatantly and obviously exists outside of the GW. Formless Mother, St. Sleepyhead, Super Surtr, and the Stars are basically only known to a handful of people or were (seeming) knocked the frick out ages ago.
Meanwhile, Shabriri can turn people with a stare and explode the minds of anyone just by looking at them hard enough.
Imagine if, during the Middle Ages, someone showed up screaming that Cthulu was real and then LITERALLY TURNED PEOPLE INTO INSANE FISH MONSTERS. The Church would have wanted him dead on sight.
>Imagine if, during the Middle Ages, someone showed up screaming that Cthulu was real and then LITERALLY TURNED PEOPLE INTO INSANE FISH MONSTERS.
God I wish we lived in that reality.
With eldritch shit taking the role of the big bad in media and games instead of the good old "ULTIMATE EVIL THE SATAN" we are getting more and more people who think they are possessed and controlled by lovecraftian entities instead of traditional spirits and devils.
>t. head an anecdote from a gal working in an asylum
What I mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slender_Man_stabbing was just the tip of the Iceberg.
The FF is most likely the GW though, like its shizo other half.
I mean its angel is another hand monster.
It's basically a zoroastrian interpretation of God, as having a creative and a destructive half (the latter of which is depicted in rituals using actual fire). This meshes well with the general allegory of the game as being the decline of the Eastern Roman Empire, as they considered the zoroastrian sassanids as being destructive chaos worshipers.
He taught the merchants to use chaos magic, then ratted them out to the golden order. Imprisoned forever in the sewers, they succumbed to despair and summoned the three fingers, the act of which destroyed most of them. Shabriri is now called a "slanderer", but what he said wasn't actually wrong. The entire thing is a reference to the Bar Kokhba revolt, in which the titular Bar Kokhba proclaimed himself the messiah who would liberate Israel from Rome and staged a horrific revolt that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, before the following punitive campaign by Emperor Hadrian which was so severe it completely destroyed the israeli state for 1800 years. Bar Kokhba was thereafter referred to as "the deceiver", although he really just played to existing Israeli ethnic nationalism and resentment towards the empire.
Sounds pretty on the money to me. People forget that ASoIaF is literally just "What if the War of Roses was WAY fricking worse because dragons and zombies exist?"
Vaati's Vid on Frenzy is kino and I'm not backing down from this
He is still a grifter, even though he pays artists for custom music for the videos etc. he is making too much money off this shit
I'd do the same if I weren't so lazy
>How is slander the greatest crime in all of middle earth
Talk shit, get hit.
Shabiri is a liar. He convinces people that Chaos is good and that being the Lord of Frenzied Flame is same as being a great liberator, but what he really means is liberating your insane mind from your body.
Frenzy is the only good ending honesly. Everything else just repeats the cycle or makes it worse. Better to end it and leave the gods nothing to play with
Not sure about Ranni or what she even really wants to do but she isn't to be trusted anyway
>Better to end it and leave the gods nothing to play with
That's essentially what Ranni does. She removes the Order from the hands of mortals while still allowing its principles to govern reality, creating a world where people can no longer directly interact with their gods or be tempted to try and subvert their order.
Where exactly is our faith powers coming from? Is it like dnd where we pray to a god to receive our faith incantations or are we believing so hard that we will our powers into existance?
From the outer gods, such as the Formless Mother, the Fell God etc. and of course the Greater Will, who powers Golden Order stuff
It doesn't seem to be necessary to outright worship the god you use the incantation of though.
>FAI
You obtain power from gods through conviction. An incantation is a ritualistic line, you are praying to divine sources for power and they are granting it in return.
>INT
You are using your knowledge of the stars combined with glintstone as a power source to perform magical feats.
>ARC
You are using your bodies inherent mystical properties to directly extract power from other beings or sources, such as cutting open the Formless Mother for her blood in battle or absorbing the power of dragons.
I think Arc is supposed to be connected to fate since it increases luck and the rate of inflicting most status effects, and the Nox who were heavily into fate and puppet stuff used it.
It's linked to silver tears obviously, but the examples of how it's used by characters is all about taking power from things. Unlike Dragon Cultists who pray to the dragons to lend them mastery of lightning, Dragon Communion steals the inherent biological strength of dragons through consumption. It requires arcane to do this.
Likewise, Formless Mother incants all involve ripping into her invisible omnipresent body and extracting cursed burning blood.
Albinaurics being converted into cessblood shows the relationship because their inherent Arcaness makes them viable for drawing in the power of the outer god.
Oracile Bubbles do fall in line with the concept of Arcane being tied to fate though, the Clayman spells were used for divination when not being use to blow shit up.
Assuming Radagon has all of Marika's powers, which is a stretch, then Marika probably holds back immensely when she fights other strong people. Can't go humbling every potential ally, can you?
I mean I assume the elden beast isn't holding back, and I also assume the elden beast is stronger than marika sooo...
Does the game not load the rest of the map from the Haligtree? You plop a marker somewhere on the Consecrated Snowfields it shows up somewhere along the cliffside.
I still don't understand the magic system of glintstone what is it? Is the staff merely a conduit/focuser of our sorceries or the catalyst?
I'm not gay but Radagon is very handsome. But only when his hair is down.
Can somebody pls explain to me how Elden Ring isnt related to ds1 and 2? and 3? are they in the same universe? idk any of the lore.
They just aren't, The only similarity in the setting is both have ancient dragons with scales of stone that they eventually lost. Even with that, Dragons in Dark Souls are weak to lightning while Ancient stone dragons in Elden Ring use it as weapons.
Thank you
No, nobody can because other lands are said to exist in Elden Ring but you dont go to them and nobody talks about them or anything that happens in them by name. There isnt any lore about the other games present in Elden Ring and its all just convoluted poetry about people that may or may not exist.
"The Land of Reeds" exists as the Japan of Elden Ring so its easy for people to say "Thats Sekiro!" but it isnt. "The Flame of Frenzy" exists in Elden Ring as a flame-based force but its not the First Flame and Frenzy has nothing to do with Bloodborne. Despite there also being blood-centric magic in Elden Ring
This is how these games work in their entirety. They just throw symbology and aesthetics around and vaguely allude to other things, then the devs tell you its on purpose and up to you to decide what means what
So its like art? because art is made to be interpreted which by nature gives it a more complex meaning while having a naturally born meaning. I think its cool and works well with souls games I am new to this tho
Yes exactly, but if you keep doing it, it quickly starts to seem like thats all you can do, especially when it keeps leading to the same issues in storytelling. when you go online to search a question that doesnt have an answer told you in the game, youre negaging i nwhat the developers wanted- "for the community to engage with it" but thats not conducive to a good story on its own, you shouldnt have to go and crowdsource lore that other people have made up when experiencing a narrative, nor should you have to make up fundamental parts of a narrative like
>Wait who is Melina supposed to be and why does her eye open in the Frenzied Flame ending?
There is literally no given answer for certain events in the plot and youre supposed to be happy with it
>nor should you have to make up fundamental parts of a narrative like
>>Wait who is Melina supposed to be and why does her eye open in the Frenzied Flame ending?
She's the gloam eyed queen. She opens her eye and it's gloam, and she says she's going to kill you with destined death. You being a FRICKING moron is not an argument against Elden Ring's storytelling.
>she says she's going to kill you
yeah and then she doesn't show up again
but I guess that doesn't count against the storytelling because uhhhhhh
>This character didn't show up after the ending cutscene
Well yeah the game is over, did you expect her to hunt you in NG+ or something
Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen who is in fact Marika's first child with what would become Radagon, and her power and identity were sealed after Maliketh defeated her
Simple
>who is in fact Marika's first child with what would become Radagon
NOOOPE.
We know this isn't true because the gloam eyed queen was defeated before the golden order even existed, before Marika even married Godfrey, let alone Radagon. Now obviously they're related, Melina literally has Marika's memories and what not, but whoever she is, she must predate Radagon. She was probably either Marika's sister (killed but then spirit-tuned by Marika, something Hewg gays she was capable of) or just literally is Marika's spirit shunted out of her body when she tried to destroy the elden ring.
>before the golden order even existed, before Marika even married Godfrey, let alone Radagon
What part of "Radagon is Marika" don't you get?
what is "what would become radagon" in the context of "radagon is marika"
why should I believe anything you morons say
Radagon did not always exist. He is Marika, but she was not always him. He only started manifesting around the time that Marika started disliking her station, likely a defensive action taken by the elden ring.
oh that's likely, is it?
Yes. It's literally Radagon's whole deal. He exists to be the person that Marika did not want to be in regards to the elden ring. It makes no sense that his existence within Marika would predate her even having the elden ring.
>He exists to be the person that Marika did not want to be in regards to the elden ring.
what the frick does that mean
Marika does not like the elden ring. But it's stuck inside her fricking torso. She starts thinking bad thoughts about it. Suddenly Radagon manifests, and he's the perfect loyal champion of the golden order.
Well it's just a different universe but some things are very alike to keep the soulslike feeling intact like respawning being a part of the lore. But that is one of the few things they carried over well from Dark Souls.
All the things in multiplayer make ZERO sense in Elden Ring the way they are, they just wanted to copy the Souls aspects. They only made sense in Souls where it was built into the lore. When invading in ER it even says "invaded the world of XYZ" but there is only one world and time isn't convoluted the way it was in Dark Souls where basically ever player had their own "World" in time.which explained why you could kill the boss you already killed in your world again in someone else's world.
>want to do both a STR/INT playthrough and a STR/FTH
This will take a while
>30 str
>40 int
>40 fth
allocate the rest
Based
She's white
"Demigod" doesn't imply any specific power level, it simply means "Related to Marika", ie; prince/princess. The fact they're all strong probably is directly related to their blood ties, but the title itself doesn't mean anything as far as power goes. For example, Astel isn't a Demigod but wipes the floor with most things while Godrick is a Demigod and isn't even as strong as a tree sentinel.
Hence giant mommy's kids becoming "demigods" after their dad remarried, it's just a title.
(Well technically they already were related to Marika because of the whole Radagon=Marika thing, but that's beside the point.)
What is the lore behind powerstancing looking so fricking moronic in Elden Ring
You hold the second weapon like it weighs nothing
Fricking Dark Souls 2 did it better
the more important question is, assuming all this bullshit is true, why should I care? what makes this a good story? ER lore gays seem to think that it's a good story for the simple reason that it has a billion dots to connect