>whose signature catchphrase is
Actually it’s “To live a life of power, you must have faith that what you believe is right, even if others tell you you’re wrong. The first thing you must do to live a life of power is to find courage. You must be ready to reach beyond the boundaries of Time itself. And to do that, all you need is the will to take that first step…”
He never once uttered that sentence. The only time it's been said out loud by Sonic was in an episode of Sonic Boom as a reference to the meme but apart from that one instance, it's only said in self deprecating Twitter memes
It would probably be around the same. Sonic's redesign was done pretty late in SA1's development, to the point where some in-game assets still use a model based on his original design. Sonic Team never viewed the IP with a "Sonic looks different now, so we have to make different games too"-type mentality. Even earlier games like 3D Blast show that Sonic Team was always open to experimentation, gameplay-wise.
Who knows. In this timeline Sonic only seems to survive on the idea that everyone wants to watch the car crash wreckage. Sometimes it's a simple fender bender, other times it's a 20 car pileup.
You know hope poketards b***h about how soulless the new 3D models are because there poses aren't action poses? It's like that here, except it's actually real. Same for dialogue. Sorry but a statement like the left has 0 personality in it, right is an overblown exaggeration but even when trying to bring down the idea of giving sonic some personality, it still ends up better than right.
Whoever made this image must also think that Sonic literally just standing in a T pose is a better display of character than when he says "I'm outta here" and jumps off the screen in Sonic CD. Or even his idle actions in the genesis games.
Games operate in a "status quo is god" logic for the most part so Sonic's and Amy's relationship will never advance and I don't think they had any idea of what the frick they were doing with '06, at least the story erases itself from the timeline.
Amy was never Sonic's "love interest". She's just a little girl with a crush on a boy who's several years older than her (8 years older in the Classic games, 3 years older after the Adventure retcon)
>"Ask not what others can do for you, but what you can do for others."
And yet, he just beat a severely deranged poor manipulated woman into falling the abyss, all while as apathetic. Oh you, Sonic.
You're thinking 12 years too late. >actual right
"I'll never look back, I've got no regrets. 'Cause time doesn't wait for me. I choose to go my own way."
You're thinking 12 years too late. >actual right
"I'll never look back, I've got no regrets. 'Cause time doesn't wait for me. I choose to go my own way."
>Autistic quotes from autistic franchise
Sonic was never good. Imagine thinking Sonic is more important than a real life human being. A world leader. A actual saint.
>"Let's make like Eggman's hairline and recede!"
It still fricking amazes me just how angry this line makes Sonic autists get. It's a perfectly good joke, and appropriate for the franchise.
everything 3D sonic is cancer
the stories are wannabe D tier anime trash
the gameplay is automated spam homing attack on everything to win trash
even character designs are pure tryhard moronation
If you can't say your point in words, then your point wasn't worth grabbing from the ether now was it? >You just mad cause I can't elaborate *smacks lips*
fascinating
Classic Sonic >universally adored >sells well >reviews well >charm x 1000
Post-1998 Sonic >universally mocked >sells poorly >reviews poorly
Sorry Adventuregays. Your cringe just can't compete.
Sonic Adventure had terrible writing, voice acting and character animations the day it came out. And DX fixed none of this.
I'm just telling this to zoom-zooms who think the Sonic cycle is real and Adventure was once considered a great game because of moronic critics. No, it was always a janky piece of trash with good music.
I loved that janky shit and the tomodachi simulator >but muh reviewers-
will say Sonic was never, period. So that's a nebulous and autistic point as is.
I only say the bit about critics because people will autistically post metacritic scores to "prove" 3D Sonic was perfect up to a certain point in time when they started dropping significantly.
3D Sonic is the thing that pushed the autismos to think they were interesting and not lame, because they looked at the laughable shit from Sonic Adventure "you gotta follow my rainbow" and thought being this moronic was hip and cool
>Ugh, Sonic is terrible. Sonic Team don't know how the series should be. >Proceeds to demand more Shadow, buttrock, darker stories and more lame shit that turned the series into a laughingstock.
Why are Sonic fans such fricking cancers?
They were though. Very ambitious and more ballsy than anything else at that time. >six playable characters with six playstyles >voice acted >live instruments >NPCs had their own dialogue and stories >Chao were basically virtual pets
The Adventure games are damn good, but that's where the series went wrong. The charm that old Sonic had was gone and replaced with shonen edge.
Sonic Adventure 1 is supposed to be Classic Sonic.
"Modern" is very obviously a retcon that has slowly happened over time. Playing the games gives you this context. Sonic Adventure 1 clearly implies that Sonic 1, 2, 3K, CD, Fighters, 3D Blast, and Sonic R actually happened and are canon.
This. There was some talk about Sonic's design changing a little for the jump to 3D (I remember the green eyes being a big deal) but otherwise it was continuous. It was only later that we separated classic from modern. Sonic Adventure was absolutely supposed to be the next step in the story of the Genesis games.
They should've stuck to it, and made adventure style games. The on rails sonic is horrible, and not fun unless you're a speed runner. I haven't bought a Sonic game since Unleased.
The weird revisionism of classic sonic being a le heccin wholesome smol bean is so weird considering he was literally designed by a marketing team to be an edgy alternative to Mario
The opposite is true for Mickey or Felix. They used to be way more edgy than Sonic ever was (amoral, drinkers/smokers, violent, etc), but became baby shit over time.
Sonic is supposed to be cool, but that doesn't mean he wasn't also created as a kawaii mascot character for small children. The original game is about a fat laughing scientist creating robot crabs and bees, for god's sake. It's the same lighthearted demographic as something like Kirby.
Edgy is "relative", homosexual. There's a massive different from Bing Bing Wahoo, to "I just do what I want to do without your direction responce to it" classic Sonic to "hurr durr I'm try hard autistic anime shit" modern. It's literally the difference from a good video game player that just enjoys playing a game (classic) to some homosexual tryhard that wants the world to revovlve around him and everyone else should suck his wiener for it (modern).
Outside of gameplay, Classic Sonic was characterized exactly like Modern Sonic. The only difference is the design. The idea of Classic Sonic as a separate entity didn't exist until Generations.
>The idea of Classic Sonic as a separate entity didn't exist until Generations.
The idea Sonic wasn't 90s Sonic was the very second they undermined what made people like 90s sonic, and it started with the redesigns, but then immediately followed with objectively inferior gameplay to classic Sonic.
everything 3D sonic is cancer
the stories are wannabe D tier anime trash
the gameplay is automated spam homing attack on everything to win trash
even character designs are pure tryhard moronation
>Ugh, Sonic is terrible. Sonic Team don't know how the series should be. >Proceeds to demand more Shadow, buttrock, darker stories and more lame shit that turned the series into a laughingstock.
Why are Sonic fans such fricking cancers?
>"N-OOOO YOU CANT HAVE SERIOUS STORIES WITH A CARTOON HEDGEHOG! NOOOOO!"
Anyone who says this demonstrates a serious lack of awareness of children's literature and storytelling throughout history. Asserting that putting mature themes in a children's story is wrong or misguided is basically at odds with most storytelling throughout human culture in almost any other time period and is probably the perspective of a sanitized person brought up on junk television and media, or whatever their excuse might be, ignorant of culture. >"B-but Maria dies, that's so edgy!!"
Uh-huh. And? That’s bad because….cartoon game characters are escapist fantasy stories that shouldn’t deal with anything beyond the most basic power struggles? Again, totally unlike fairy tales throughout history over thousands of years where animals and children were killed or murdered or eaten etc etc, right? But video game characters must be pure because, why, exactly?
Sonic Adventure 2 and Satam are far more thematically and tonally similar to a traditional children's story than what passes for kids entertainment in mass media today.
Essentially there's no fricking way that these people would ever appreciate or recommend to a child Hans Christian Andersen, Liaozhai zhiyi, Brothers Grimm, Ozaki's "Japanese Fairy Tales", and so on. They admire a sanitized, simplistic world and consider the introduction of any supposedly "mature" themes a tonal intrusion. What they don't recognize is that this position is genuinely a 20th/21st-century sheltered-kid puritanical position that goes against the entire history of children's storytelling. Their criticism of Sonic Adventure 2 is focused solely on the fact that depression and grief has no place in a cartoonish world, but when cute animals dealt with these things in stories all over the world for centuries, I have to wonder how many other works in how many other cultures would be considered to be shit by their standards.
>This autistic troon again from Ganker
Do not reply to this homosexual. He shits up the catalogs of Ganker, /vr/ and Ganker with these shitty cope posts. His threeads are the ones with SA2 and Mega Man X as the OP image btw.
It's just a facet of life worth dealing with in art like anything else. Kids are human beings not some other creature, they've been able to experience and appreciate fairy tales with so-called "mature" themes for centuries in cultures all over the world. Coddled westerners raised on corporation-created dopamine-delivery-vehicles are the anomaly here. You ask them what stories under this logic they'd consider shit? The answer is of course: none, because these people are almost certainly culturally illiterate and their only other point of comparison for children's stories is other children's video games like Super Mario.
>He literally admits it is him
How sad. Doing this song and dance for like a fricking year, only for no one to fricking give a shit about his autistically shit takes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You gave a shit enough to respond and not only that, most people seem to agree.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Respond >Gave no (you)s
Try again. >and not only that, most people seem to agree.
Prove it. Imagine coping this badly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Look at any other time this has been posted in threads. Try it and see what you get. Especially in VR
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Look at any other time this has been posted in threads.
I have, homosexual. I was in all of them, and 95% of the threads had everyone call you a seething homosexualron that needs to cope already.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Look at any other time this has been posted in threads.
I have, homosexual. I was in all of them, and 95% of the threads had everyone call you a seething homosexualron that needs to cope already.
the frick are u doing you moron I have no time to ctrl+f the posts u are replying to talk like a 80+ iq person please
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's just a facet of life worth dealing with in art like anything else. Kids are human beings not some other creature, they've been able to experience and appreciate fairy tales with so-called "mature" themes for centuries in cultures all over the world. Coddled westerners raised on corporation-created dopamine-delivery-vehicles are the anomaly here. You ask them what stories under this logic they'd consider shit? The answer is of course: none, because these people are almost certainly culturally illiterate and their only other point of comparison for children's stories is other children's video games like Super Mario.
Miyamoto genuinely thinks Mario is supposed to be "cool" as well. The Japanese have a slightly different idea of what that means.
Explicitly cute stuff in Japan is like ten levels of cute.
Outside of gameplay, Classic Sonic was characterized exactly like Modern Sonic. The only difference is the design. The idea of Classic Sonic as a separate entity didn't exist until Generations.
I never really gave it much thought but I think this way of giving him expression like in the OVA, the way his pupils change shape instead of the whole brow, works better.
the only good sonic games are the classic 2d and SA1 is the only good (read passable) 3d one
SA2 destroyed all the potential for 3d sonic and the franchise never recovered
The first one didn't, but it's still worse than all classic Sonic games
2 and 3 has boostshit mentality and a literal "go mach speed if you do x" in Advance 2. Doesn't matter if its not a button press away, it still happens and its bad period.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"go mach speed if you do x" in Advance 2
By "x" you mean retain top speed for a certain amount of time? That's exactly the kind of reward a Sonic game should have. It's not like it makes you invincible like boost does either.
Advance 2's issues are in its level design, not the gameplay mechanics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
WTF
2 years ago
Anonymous
>By "x" you mean retain top speed for a certain amount of time?
It can't be top speed if you're gifted that after doing so, yes. The problem is that's not natural accelration, and all it does is make Sonic become flash and doesn't have the nuances that give it a risk and reward system that rolling did.
This "instance max speed" is why Sonic was never good. He's SUPPOSE to naturally build up to max speed, not be toggled into it on a dime. Why do you think actual classic Sonic schizos hate the spindash? At least the spindash requires you to give up all speed to be giving near max speed at full charge whereever you want to execute it. It gives a give an take from speed, while boosting of ANY kind stacks it on top of your otherwise natural gainage of it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It can't be top speed if you're gifted that after doing so, yes.
Have you ever played Advance 2? The players uses skill to retain their top speed for a set amount of time, which the game then rewards by giving the player a new top speed (i.e. mach speed mode), with the player being encouraged to use their skills to continue retaining this new top speed. Nothing about this is similar to the boost at all, or even the spindash, really. You're still vulnerable when in mach speed mode too, meaning the player has to be even more careful when moving at this new speed and is actually encouraged to rely more on rolling and trick moves (at least as Sonic) to traverse so they don't crash into any enemies.
It even gives ring collecting more of a purpose too, since I believe the amount of time you have to maintain your top speed depends on the amount of rings you're carrying (i.e. more rings = decreased time). Nothing about this is about giving the player insta-speed, because the reward only occurs when the player has managed to gain speed on their own.
I'm gonna play devil's advocate and say that Sonic Heroes is a genuine gem, not only as a Sonic game but a 3D platformer as well. >doesn't waste your time with a bullshit 2deep4you furry plot no one cares about >the 3-man team mechanic is interesting and used to great effect throughout the entire game >kickass soundtrack >one of the best level intros ever made (Egg Fleet) >levels are big, varied, well designed, fun to play and with self-contained gimmicks that never outstay their welcome >no bullshit metagame (no hubworlds, no alternate gameplay styles that deviate from the regular levels as a desperate attempt to pad game time)
Such a shame the game being rushed made the controls so slippery and the other Non-Sonic Teams didn't add much. I'd love to see how it would've turned out if it had more time in the oven.
You know what'd be a natural progression of Sonic's character for the modern games?
Make him act like a family friendly Dante. Confident, quippy, but effortlessly cool with a hidden strong moral center. It'd present a more "mature" take on his cool character without sacrificing any of his fun-loving charm.
Dante and Sonic already have adjacent appeal, particularly Adventure-era. If you like(d) Sonic, chances are you like his M-Rated version. Although with the Meta-era, Sonic has drifted more towards being an unfunny version Spider-Man and less of an "anime Ninja-Turtle". We just need to roll it back, but that's probably impossible at this point.
The movies cemented Sonic as a neurotic motor mouth unfortunately.
>Cemented
The movie is not the game Sonic, you autistic schizos. Even if by some miricale you homosexuals got 2000s Sonic back it would still have shit games, like all eras of Sonic are getting as long as SEGA is still making them.
Yeah, exactly.
If adventure era Sonic is DMC3 Dante, his modern counterpart would perfectly move into the slightly scaled back DMC4/5 Dante. I think Sonic's earned an "effortlessly cool" phase. This Sonic would be fun and snarky, but delivering quips with the sharpness of an action hero compared to Modern Sonic's quips and one-liners that feel grossly Joss Whedon-esque.
The cut from Origins' slow, light, overly childlike animation to the lightning fast, massively high-energy, and lyrically inspiring Sonic CD intro is like going from riding a coin-operating kiddie ride to being strapped to the top of a bullet train. It really puts it into perspective how cool and high-quality Sonic CD was.
That being said, Hesse's animations are good for what they are, but they would be a lot more enjoyable if the sound design wasn't so awful.
All I really want from Sonic games is the have the his friends involved rather than just being background characters; the large cast and their interactions was what really got me into the series with Heroes, but Sonic Team is terrified about deviating from Boost gameplay.
Games don’t even need to have a separate gameplay style for each character like Adventure 1 and ‘06; Adventure 2 and Heroes got it right by just having 3 gameplay styles and focusing on those
Agreed. I'm fine with Rogue being a different model of Knuckles, Shadow being a different model of Sonic & so on with their own unique animations. I liked Sonic 06, not as much as SA1&2, but it feels more enjoyable, and to some degree, identifiable as a Sonic game than any boost game ever will.
I've always hated the modern design. It's outright unappealing. The coloured eyes are the worst part and that generally looks like shit with most cartoon characters.
The only real charm classic Sonic ever had was in promotional materials (not video games), Sonic CD (great video game) and Chaotix (shit video game). MAYBE Sonic 1. The rest was aesthetically westernized trash despite 3&K being fun. The Sonic Adventure titles captured the feeling of turn-of-the-millennium Japan perfectly. That said, it's not surprising zoomers born after 9/11 wouldn't appreciate that.
Sure, it looks objectively good, but it completely fails to capture Sonic's style. >West bad!
Yeah, when we're talking about a series with strong Japanese roots and sensibilities that was coopted by Americans. We can also talk about how hard the OVA mogs every American Sonic cartoon while we're at it.
>Yeah, when we're talking about a series with strong Japanese roots and sensibilities that was coopted by Americans.
Sonic doesn't have "strong Japanese roots and sensibilities," if you want that go read watch Maruko-chan. Sonic was a joint creative venture between the east and west exploring UNIVERSAL themes of power and rebellion. Stylistically, it was equal parts Golden Age American Animation and Shonen Anime, musically it was equal parts American New Jack Swing and Japanese Jazz Fusion. When the close collaboration between East and West started to fall through is when Sonic started to go awry.
>We can also talk about how hard the OVA mogs every American Sonic cartoon while we're at it.
Go ahead. Talk about it. You won't get very far because the Sonic OVA is dull hipster bait.
>we're talking about a series with strong Japanese roots
Black person, the original pitch was fricking Teddy Roosevelt. The character was unmistakably influenced by western cartoon mascots like Felix the Cat and Mickey Mouse - What the frick do you MEAN "Japanese roots"?! Sonic is one of the most transparently Westaboo designs to come out of Japan. Even the fricking MUSIC was almost entirely composed with western trends in mind.
But the OVA IS the best, so I'll give you a little slack.
Inspiration =/= execution in practice. Tezuka was heavily influenced by old Disney cartoons as well, but literally no one would suggest that his works are anything but uniquely Japanese. The disparity between, say, the Sonic Screensaver illustrations and the nauseating American designs is immediately obvious. Similarly, the Japanese-developed games like Sonic CD contrast heavily with 2 or 3&K in style and presentation. If we're talking music, we're literally talking about a series that started out with stuff composed by a Japanese pop ballad group and then had an entire soundtrack carved up and replaced exclusively for America.
>Sonic's voiced lines out of CD
Sonic didn't have voice lines in CD.
>We can also talk about how hard the OVA mogs every American Sonic cartoon while we're at it.
Go ahead. Talk about it. You won't get very far because the Sonic OVA is dull hipster bait.
>That said, it's not surprising zoomers born after 9/11 wouldn't appreciate that.
I mean, not everyone is a fricking weebcuck that worships fricking bugmen. Hispanics sure, but not everyone is born so unfortunate.
>That said, it's not surprising zoomers born after 9/11 wouldn't appreciate that.
I mean, not everyone is a fricking weebcuck that worships fricking bugmen. Hispanics sure, but not everyone is born so unfortunate.
Don't know how hot a take this is, but Classic Sonic's lame-ification is Sonic Team's fault. They're the ones who push this uber-cute Classic Sonic, starting with Generations.
Like even if you look at Sonic Mania Adventures, that version of Sonic conveys a personality that would naturally develop into Adventure Sonic, all through facial expressions and no dialogue.
I see Tyson Hesse and Mania getting a lot of flak, but I honestly think they get it more than Sonic Team does - but hey, what else is new?
Definitely not a hot take; I think most reasonable people agree with that assessment. They even took Sonic's voiced lines out of CD in Origins because of this weird autistic Mickey Mouse bullshit where classic Sonic is suddenly not allowed to speak at all. This series has been so mismanaged since the Dreamcast bombed.
I do, if he stayed in his code monkey chair like a good little programmer I'd respect him. But he's a seething Black person that wanted something he was never meant to have.
Those kind of characters do a good job making it clear they're supposed to be two eyes, just right next to each other. Sonic never really gave each eye a slight bulge to better differentiate.
That's not really the eye, is it? Modern Sonic can also blink each eye independently. Other characters like Goofy or Rayman are rarely shown without some black line in between the eyes to make it clear they're two eyes. If 3D each eye has a clear bulge. Not Sonic. It's why a lot of people describe Sonic as having a monoeye while no one does the same for other cartoon characters.
>It's why a lot of people describe Sonic as having a monoeye while no one does the same for other cartoon characters.
Key word missing her, it's modern Sonic. In 2D his brow made it clear it was a two eye seperating because it's concaved. It was the detail needed to not make morons think it was one massive eyeball with two pupuls which never ever made any fricking sense to come to the conclusing to.
It's just a stylisized look. It's clearly suppose to to be 2 eyes, it's just a fricking cartoon. It only looks worse in 3D because it's 3D, and 3D makes the stabilization disappear and look like shit as a result, which is why the movie design is objectively superior for 3D Sonic that doesn't use stylization like a toon shader.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I agree it's worse in modern Sonic since with 3D you can see the windshield eyes in all its detail. In the old games I didn't give it much thought since the resolution was so small, and the OVA did the more anime thing of having the white part mostly static while the pupils change for different expressions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It only looks worse in 3D because it's 3D, and 3D makes the stabilization disappear and look like shit as a result
It would look fine in 3D if current Sonic didn't have massive protruding brows that make his eyes appear to sink further back into his head, resulting in a bizarre, implied skull-shape.
This is why I like the original Dreamcast model for SA1, since it retains the general "roundness" of Sonic's earlier design. Just looks better, imo, and that includes how the eyes are executed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ultimately, yes, but the 'pussy crease' between his eyes doesn't help either, and should just go back to the smoothed out shape or even better, the sharp point like seen here
>Sonic never really gave each eye a slight bulge to better differentiate.
Buddy, I...
2 years ago
Anonymous
I agree, that's why I pointed out the SA1 model as an example, which lacks it. Sonic Team's insistence that Sonic constantly furrow his brow is dumb, imo, and makes the character appear less expressive as a result.
Kinda overrated game. Like, it's cool and all that, but so far I don't really like the level design as much as Mania's/S3Ks, I don't like the art style, looks far too flat and almost even more flat than the Advance series somehow, and the bosses are kinda rom hack tier, as in, let's just make it extremely violence aka move extremely fast to make it harder to badnik bounce the fricker
Also it has Sonic 1 syndrome as you can't badnik bounce the fricker because hurr durr you shouldn't cheese the boss so lets just have a 5 min boss fight for no reason. In a fricking 2D classic game that was never designed to be hard, ever. Music is ok though, but nothing is better than Tee Lopes.
Meh... busy artwork, boring level design, unmemorable music, poorly designed bossfights. It's impressive that it's completed but that's really one of the only notable positive things to say about it.
The last few threads we had were praising the Sonic 3 sprite as the best one and I thought I was going crazy. I thought we always agreed it looked like shit.
I'm pretty sure I know this anon in OPs pic. He would always refer to modern Sonic like this and would always relate it to black culture on every forum he could post it on. It was pretty cringy after awhile and this is someone who likes the classic design better.
It's funny because when Adventure 1 came out people did not like the sonic friends opening their mouths to stay stupid shit. After a long time we have homosexuals going nono bro it's some really deep shit trust me
>It's funny because when Adventure 1 came out people did not like the sonic friends opening their mouths to stay stupid shit.
only classicucks didn't like the dialogue, and they were always going to shit on adventure anyway because it wasn't their precious xtreme and it didn't feature their furgay waifu sally.
actually it was only the sperglords who liked it, the general opinion is that it was a good indicator that why the characters should have remained mutes
>only classicucks didn't like the dialogue
Adventure era dialogue has always been mocked. Honestly, all Sonic dialogue is mocked to some degree, for good reason.
Oh this is some maxium shitposting. No one gives a fricking shit about xtreme itself, it's just not ethtical to sabotage the American branch just because Naka was a Black person about it
Nothing was going to work on Shiturn. And it's not SoA's fault Naka rather completely ignore a Sonic game being on Saturn just for his homosexual ass gay clown.
SA1 is shit on for failing to be S3K in 3D. It's just inferior Classic Sonic with half of all the good shit about it in automated on rails sections that remove gameplay from the player plus non Sonic gameplay on top like fishing and RNG hunting, there's nothing there for original fans of Sonic to enjoy, hence why only 2000s zoomers that grew up on it can only defend it.
>it's just not ethtical to sabotage the American branch
nothing was "sabotaged." xtreme was a shit game, it was always going to be shit, and naka saved the franchise by pulling the plug and making adventure instead.
you can't pretend xtreme isn't the cause of you homosexuals' bitterness towards adventure when you're literally still seething this hard over its cancellation all these years later.
>nothing was "sabotaged."
SEGA gave the dev team the engine THEY own, it's Naka that thinks he owns anything when in fact it's public LAW that any and all things made under company hours is THEIR property, not the homosexual crying muh ownership
the nights engine was highly complex, there is no way the morons making xtreme would have made anything good with it. naka was being a good steward of the franchise by stepping in and bringing it back to japan where quality could be made, leading to the golden age of 1999-2009. cope harder.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kys Nakadrone. C and Assembly are literally compatible , there's nothing to not understand.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you and being a woman are incompatible.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Le trannies
Imagine being mentally obsessed with headcanons you made up to get mad at.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i know, right? i can't imagine still being whipped up in the headcanon that xtreme would have been a masterpiece if only that mean son of a b***h naka hadn't ruined everything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> i can't imagine still being whipped up in the headcanon that xtreme would have been a masterpiece if only that mean son of a b***h naka hadn't ruined everything.
Nobody said this you dumb mouthbreathing moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Only you are saying xtreme was a masterpiece
I'm saying Naka is a Black person that would rather have no Sonic game over a gay clown no one asked for over a passionate team trying to find ways to make their game better but got gatekeeped by foreign devs that thing they have more power than the company itself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
nights has nothing to do with it.
the years leading up to xtreme were filled with absolute shovelware like labyrinth, blast, sonic's schoolhouse, etc. that were tanking the sonic brand. if xtreme had been released, it would have killed the franchise entirely. naka had to choose between no sonic games on saturn or no sonic games ever again after the saturn, and he made the only rational choice.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the years leading up to xtreme were filled with absolute shovelware like labyrinth, blast, sonic's schoolhouse, etc. that were tanking the sonic brand. if xtreme had been released, it would have killed the franchise entirely >He fricking thinks fricking spinoff games were tanking the Sonic IP >The same IP that had the best platformers in the entire industry that fans were spending far more time replying over and over again
You're a fricking zoomer and need to kill himself. Absolutely nothing about your post is fact. If Xtreme released with """Naka's""" engine it would have been a 7/10 game back then (which is like a 5 out of 10 game today to morons that can't grade games objectively anymore) which back then would have been seen as "it's ok, but not as good as Mario 64". Which would be a sting on Sonic but not to the point he'd die off because he didn't die off without games, and certainly hasn't fricking died off years later with trash like Sonic 06.
This idea "Sonic would have died" is gaslighting to it's core because we've had at least 5 games at this point that should have ended this homosexual for good but hasn't solely because of the autistic fanbase worshiping his footsteps. As long as a Sonic game is playable, people would defend it no matter how shit it ultimately is. Just like SA1, which was originally so buggy in Jap they had to make it slightly better for the international release. The reason every other version of SA1 that was rereleased afterwards was so buggy is because they use the Japanese build instead of the international release, which is a common practice for Jap devs to do.
The rational fricking choice was for Naka to scrap Nights for later and make a Sonic Jam like 3D Sonic game. That way it would have been the building blocks that could have made for a better SA1 instead of random non Sonic shit to pander to "RPG" people. Akira Toriyama made Super in response to that fricking trash that was Evolution, the same should have been done here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If Xtreme released with """Naka's""" engine it would have been a 7/10 game back then
CLASSIKEKS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS
2 years ago
Anonymous
So you're saying even """Naka's""" engine was dogshit? You're saying Nights was never good?
2 years ago
Anonymous
no, i'm saying that the western developers were dogshit and that xtreme was never good in any incarnation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nice copium.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>autistic fanbase worshiping his footsteps
you're not seriously implying this fanbase existed in the Saturn era, are you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you're not seriously implying this fanbase existed in the Saturn era, are you?
Genesis fans still existed you fricking troon. They didn't just magically stop playing Sonic games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The sonic autism fanbase of today didn't exist back then and you have no evidence otherwise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not talking about the Nintendo gay generation of manchildren, I'm talking about OG fans that loved the games that kept playing the games and ignored the shit spin off games that weren't even fricking platformers.
>switch to Nip voice acting >it immediately goes from lame to kino
The actors' performance is like night and day. I also like how one of Sonic's character traits is adding Engrish phrases into everything.
>Complains something looking like it belongs on a cereal box is le not mature >Despite the fact I know 99% of you homosexuals still eat sugar infused cereal daily like the fat bastards you all are
Don't kid yourselves.
I think being so concerned with "branding" (is it appropriate for Sonic to have mature themes or these things in it? Or Mario? Or what about Pokemon?) is sign of corporatist brain-rot where storytelling has been monopolized by IP-holders and the extent of media criticism by their target audiences isn't with respect to art's meaning but instead whether or not it's "on-brand". You'd have children's stories all throughout history where animals maim each other or little kids were devoured by demons, cute aesthetics that go dark by the end, but what apparently counts as legitimate criticism now is to point out that something that looks childish goes to dark places and how awful that is for a children's IP.
Like most things in life it comes down to execution. Even Mario can occasionally pull some sudden darker imagery. Sonic though, more often than not the execution just makes it more of a laughing stock. Doesn't help that the games are clearly done on a cheap budget so shit is just poorly animated with no sense of tension.
It's pretty clear that you don't have anything interesting to form a rebuttal with. Not every serious story has to have realistic characters or even human characters to be serious. There's an appeal to melodrama done by caricatures. I'd love to see what evidence that you have that'd override several thousand years of human storytelling.
>It's pretty clear that you don't have anything interesting to form a rebuttal with.
A rebuttal for what. I asked a question and would like to see a serious answer.
Also you're the only calling these stories "serious", when most of the time they're really not that serious at all, unless you view everything through a black-and-white "this is either serious, or a comedy" filter.
>I asked a serious question
You asked a sarcastic, literal meme question. And I gave you an actual thought out and mature rebuttal to that question. I pointed out how and why cutesy designs are good and contrast well for more serious themes. >Unless you're looking at everything through a this is serious and this is comedy filter
"Levels of seriousness" is only pure pedantry and I'm not interested in arguing that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You asked a sarcastic, literal meme question.
It's not a meme question at all. Most people with autism will usually only give attention to media that's considered "serious" if there are cartoon characters present. This isn't some rare occurrence, it's a pretty blatant observation. I'm curious what kind of mentality causes that. >And I gave you an actual thought out and mature rebuttal to that question.
Actually you just dodged the question entirely. It's a pretty open query, I don't need you specifically to provide some kind of "rebuttal" to it, as if you're offended by said question for whatever reason (I'm guessing you have autism yourself). It's not like I said certain kinds of stories featuring cartoonish characters was an inherently bad thing. >"Levels of seriousness" is only pure pedantry and I'm not interested in arguing that.
Using "serious" as a blanket descriptor for any kind of story is moronic. You can have non-serious stories that still take themselves seriously.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's not a meme question at all. Most people with autism will usually only give attention to media that's considered "serious" if there are cartoon characters present.
Based on what? Where? What evidence? I I know I probably shouldn't even be bothering with this given that your sarcasm is practically dripping from every post. >I'm curious what kind of mentality causes that.
And I explained the mentality right here.
It's even more clear to me why you don't understand why this contrast works for storytelling to begin with. The cutesy designs help to contrast against the darker themes by making characters look more innocent, vulnerable and weaker against the dark stakes. You literally just don't like it when it comes to Sonic. Which is fine, except when you start to gatekeep art based off of your own ignorance and hatred of one bad example that isn't even representative of the series as a whole.
Don't blame me for your lack of mental proclivities. >Actually you just dodged the question entirely. It's a pretty open query.
An open query that I answered to the fullest extent. >I don't need you specifically to provide some kind of "rebuttal" to it, as if you're offended by said question for whatever reason.
So then why are you asking me? Don't post on a public forum if you don't wish to have your ideas rebutted or called out. >Using serious as a blanket descriptor is moronic
I'm not using it as a blanket descriptor. It accurately describes the content of these stories. You're simply not engaging with anything I'm saying.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Based on what?
Based on the fact that you only see autists cling to more "involved" or mature stories if they feature cutesy/cartoonish character designs. I see it all the time. >And I explained the mentality right here. >Don't blame me for your lack of mental proclivities.
What is with this weird hostility. That post wasn't replying to me if that's what you're assuming. It also doesn't explain why this is a common occurrence across those with autism, you're just describing why you like it. Unless you do actually have autism, then I guess I appreciate the personal insight on the subject. >An open query that I answered to the fullest extent.
You didn't really answer anything, you just tried to defend those kinds of stories as if I said they were inherently bad. >So then why are you asking me? Don't post on a public forum if you don't wish to have your ideas rebutted or called out.
Because what I'm assuming was your original post inspired my question. I don't really care if you answer it or not, but I don't really see what about it provoked a rebuttal of any kind, as if you took personal offense to it. >I'm not using it as a blanket descriptor.
But you did. Stories are more than just "serious" or "non-serious". It's dumb.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Based on the fact that you only see autists cling to more "involved" or mature stories if they feature cutesy/cartoonish character designs. I see it all the time.
Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that you were expecting me to take your anecdotal evidence seriously. >What is with this weird hostility.
Because your posts are nothing more than moronic sarcastic nonsense. >It also doesn't explain why this is a common occurrence across those with autism, you're just describing why you like it.
Because you have no evidence for your moronic claim. As such I have no need ro take it seriously. Make an actual substantiated claim and then we'll. >DURRR HURR I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSONAL INSIGHT
Shut the frick up tard. >You didn't really answer anything, you just tried to defend those kinds of stories as if I said they were inherently bad. >Implications don't exist now apparently >Because what I'm assuming was your original post inspired my question. I don't really care if you answer it or not, but I don't really see what about it provoked a rebuttal of any kind, as if you took personal offense to it.
Because this is the fricking internet you moron. Anyone can reply to anything that they want. I took offense because you're implying that the only reason why people make these stories or like them is because they have autism. I'm rebutting your ahistorical view on artwork.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that you were expecting me to take your anecdotal evidence seriously.
I don't really need you to answer it at all. Especially if you're going to get this upset. >Because your posts are nothing more than moronic sarcastic nonsense.
I don't think you understand what sarcasm is. >Because you have no evidence for your moronic claim. As such I have no need ro take it seriously.
Then why reply in the first place. >Shut the frick up tard.
Is this confirmation that you are autistic? Is this why you're getting needlessly offended over a basic question? Why keep dodging around it. >Implications don't exist now apparently >I took offense because you're implying that the only reason why people make these stories or like them is because they have autism.
My question didn't imply either of those things, I asked why autists are apparently so attracted to those kind of stories. Enough with your victim complex. >No I did not. >Cutesy designs in serious stories is kino.
Yes you did.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't really need you to answer it at all. Especially if you're going to get this upset.
Then why post it in the first place? >I don't think you understand what sarcasm is.
I understand it perfectly and your posting reeks of it. >Then why reply in the first place
Then why make the post in the first place if you didn't feel the need for it to be replied to or challenged? >Is this confirmation that you are autistic? Is this why you're getting needlessly offended over a basic question? Why keep dodging around it.
Ahh, I see now. This is pure projecting on your part. Any answer I give, you're just going to deny it anyway to suit your worldview. Your projecting a worldview of autistic people that's not only not true, you're ignoring the countless other reasons for why cutesy characters in serious stories work and appeal to people that aren't just autistic. Which is what I was refuting you on in the first place. Read better and actually engage with the counter arguments that are being put forth instead of spewing the same sarcastic nonsense. >My question didn't imply either of those things, I asked why autists are apparently so attracted to those kind of stories. Enough with your victim complex.
You have no evidence, proof, literally anything that says that. And I just showed you the mindset behind making a piece of media like this. >Yes you did.
No, I didn't. I am not using it as a blanket term. I am not using it as a catchall, I'm not using it incorrectly. These stories all have serious content and take themselves seriously.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Then why post it in the first place?
Because I'm interested in an answer. >I understand it perfectly
Apparently not. >Then why make the post in the first place if you didn't feel the need for it to be replied to or challenged?
You're not challenging it, though. You jumped to explain why you personally like those types of stories because you apparently got offended over the question being asked in the first place. >Ahh, I see now. This is pure projecting on your part. [words words words] Read better and actually engage with the counter arguments that are being put forth instead of spewing the same sarcastic nonsense.
You haven't provided any counter arguments, and you also keep dodging whether you're autistic or not. AND you keep acting like I said "cutesy characters in serious stories" doesn't work, even though I never mentioned so. >You have no evidence, proof, literally anything that says that.
I already said it's something I see a lot, hence why I'm curious. >And I just showed you the mindset behind making a piece of media like this.
Which was unnecessary and irrelevant. I never displayed confusion as to why those types of stories are made. >No, I didn't. These stories all have serious content and take themselves seriously.
I literally just quoted were you did. And most Sonic stories are not that serious. This is why your usage of that term is moronic. SA1's plot isn't "serious", it's an adventure story that features moments of both levity and conflict. Boiling something like that down into "serious" or the alternative is, again, dumb.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But you did. Stories are more than just "serious" or "non-serious". It's dumb.
No I did not. I'm accurately describing the contents of the works.
It's even more clear to me why you don't understand why this contrast works for storytelling to begin with. The cutesy designs help to contrast against the darker themes by making characters look more innocent, vulnerable and weaker against the dark stakes. You literally just don't like it when it comes to Sonic. Which is fine, except when you start to gatekeep art based off of your own ignorance and hatred of one bad example that isn't even representative of the series as a whole.
I don't care. Just because you like it doesn't mean I should. I like dark designs with dark elements, it works far better. Every example of "cute thing marketed to contrast darkness" has ALWAYS came of cringe as frick to me, no whatever what it ever was. The lightyear movie is the latest example of it.
>I don't care. Just because you like it doesn't mean I should. I like dark designs with dark elements, it works far better.
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
2 years ago
Anonymous
I like cute designs too, in whimsical and fantastical tones and locations
>I don't care
Why are you arguing with me then? >Just because you like it doesn't mean i should
Nobody said this. >It has always come across as cringe as frick to me
That's your own opinion. An opinion by the way that is pretty ahistorical and against most art in general.
>Why are you arguing with me then?
Because you replied to me with your headcanons >Nobody said this.
And yet you came into the thread crying about why Sonic is "mandated" by "branding" when no one gives a shit what you think
>That's your own opinion.
And so is yours. >An opinion by the way that is pretty ahistorical and against most art in general.
And the difference between those "arts" and sonic is that they aren't Sonic. The first Sonic product wasn't Deathnote or about Satan. Any other "arts" that was about one and only one thing, is defined by that thing.
If you really wanted to proof a fricking point, why don't you prove those very examples didn't get some reimagining that made them either "kid friendly" compared to how it started, or got even darker over time. All you do is post random shit as "proof" despite realizing Sonic isn't own by like 20 companies that can all do their take on a different Sonic tone. Literally all Sonic media come with the same "middle ground" of what to expect from him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Because you replied to me with your headcanons
Headcanons? About what? Where? >And yet you came into the thread crying about why Sonic is "mandated" by "branding" when no one gives a shit what you think.
You gave a shit enough to respond and gave entire paragraphs to try and argue against my point. >And the difference between those "arts" and sonic is that they aren't Sonic. The first Sonic product wasn't Deathnote or about Satan. Any other "arts" that was about one and only one thing, is defined by that thing.
This is also pure pedantry. By this logic you'd probably be against adapting literally any piece of media, ever in history. Pic related. >"Oh no! The pizza loving turtles went all serious and dark! The humanity!"
What is sonic "defined" by by the way? >All you do is post random shit as "proof" despite realizing Sonic isn't own by like 20 companies that can all do their take on a different Sonic tone. Literally all Sonic media come with the same "middle ground" of what to expect from him.
And how does this prove me wrong, exactly? You do realize that there's literally hundreds of dark Sonic fanfiction, fanart etc that's been done throughout the years, correct? This is exactly what I mean by corporatist brainrot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That comic does look pretty cringe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And I don't care about what you consider "cringe". The facts are what the facts are. It's amazing that people cannot comprehend tonal variety or contrasting character designs themes. They're literally more autistic than Sonic fans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's lame though. I don't want things that are lame.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What is sonic "defined" by by the way?
What classic Sonic was doing. >You do realize that there's literally hundreds of dark Sonic fanfiction, fanart etc that's been done throughout the years, correct?
And where is any of those been officially licensed by SEGA? Are you trying to be moronic on purpose?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What Classic Sonic was doing
Good to know that you're against any and all media adaptation then. >And where is any of those been officially licensed by SEGA? Are you trying to be moronic on purpose?
Why does it have to be?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Good to know that you're against any and all media adaptation then.
Only when it replaces the original to pander to non fans.
>Why does it have to be?
I never said it had to, but if you're cry about what SEGA is doing, I'd assume you'd be talking about offical products.
If you're ok with using fan made shit, why not just frick off and stick to the fan made shit you schitzo?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Only when it replaces the original to pander to non fans.
Every time a series has pandered TO fans it always fails and the series becomes niche. Sonic has one of the biggest fanbases in the world for a reason. >I never said it had to, but if you're cry about what SEGA is doing, I'd assume you'd be talking about offical products.
I'm talking about the people who use criticisms like "This doesn't feel like Sonic" for the adventure era games or "These themes are not appropriate for Sonic."
2 years ago
Anonymous
It should pander to people who like good games. They've been struggling with that one since the end of the 16-bit era.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Dark age of Sonic on sales alone disproves that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Disproves fricking what? Literally every 2000s era game, sans the two exclusively made for Nintendo consoles, have all sold like shit, only with worse numbers being Lost World because the Pii U was a failure in itself. Even forces sold more than the early 3D Sonic games if that 7+ million PS shit means anything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
All of the Dark Age Sonic games sold incredibly well and most of them sold better than any of the genesis games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>He can't read lines on a chart
Fricking pathetic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Disproves fricking what
That Sonic had to "pander" or sell good games to keep its name going. It's been selling incredibly well even during the dark ages which all sold greatly. Sonic has one of the biggest fanbases in the world for a reason.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That Sonic had to "pander" or sell good games to keep its name going.
If it did it would have been better off you shiteating moron > It's been selling incredibly well even during the dark ages which all sold greatly
Because Nintendrónes came in and replaced the old generation of fans, and it still wasn't even 10% as many people as the original fanbase you massive troglodyte.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Every time a series has pandered TO fans it always fails and the series becomes niche.
No, when a series panders to the audience it captured, it only fails when they make a SHITTIER product than the last more than one time. A slightly inferior game to the latest one isn't going to make people leave, but 2-4 worse games in the row, will.
Then trying to p[ander to another audience that is playing GTA or GoW or some other shit doesn't mean making your character into a deritiive of that game will magically make it good. It's just going to split the fanbase you already fricking HAD
Being niche is NOT bad, it's MANDITORY to keep a successful series. If you're making Mario games, you don't make CoD games with Mario modded on top of it. If you want Sonic games, the last thing I should get from playing S3K is FF10.
If you sell something, you KEEP selling that something, not something else. Game companies shouldn't be selling gas or cars, they should be selling GAMES.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah of course. Which is why Mario has almost always been nothing but a 2D sidescroller series. Oh wait.
Are you saying that fan interpretation should have more power over authorial intent?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why are you pretending to be moronic for this long? Both 2D Mario and 3D Mario are platformers, 3D Mario isn't a RPG that tried to pander to the Final Fantasy audience. Instead, they made a SPINOFF side game that DID pander to that kind of audience, and made a SIDE Mario series to the original Mario games to keep from replacing the OG Mario format. Unlike Sonic did, which just replaced OG fans for non Jap fans and it didn't even fricking work, it only made Nintendrónes and weebcucks take over and taint the IP for good.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Mario doesn't have RPGs >Mario doesn't have party games
You have to be moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Holy shit Black person READ my fricking posts. Stop replying after skimming over one sentence
>I don't care
Why are you arguing with me then? >Just because you like it doesn't mean i should
Nobody said this. >It has always come across as cringe as frick to me
That's your own opinion. An opinion by the way that is pretty ahistorical and against most art in general.
Tezka would've probably loved Sonic if he had lived longer. In fact it's practically almost a pointless suggestion since he loved doing sci-fi and batshit insane stuff with loose comedy which is basically all Sonic is.
Old Sonic is cool, but he's cool more because there's this quiet kind of confidence about him. It's the difference between someone who just is cool, and someone who's trying to be cool. If you don't understand the difference, then you are the second kind of person.
Johnny Cash, Clint Eastwood, Popeye the Sailor man, David Lynch - cool
Gene Simmonds, Vanilla Ice, Yo-Yogi, Seth Rogan - gay
Pretty much. It's partly why most people don't view SA1-onward Sonic as being legitimately "cool", because the devs decided to make the character (along with everyone else) a chatterbox, whose character is defined more through mediocre dialogue instead of actions and demeanor.
If they cut around 60-70% of the Sonic's dialogue (note: not make him mute) in the 3D games, he'd easily come off as a much cooler character, with no additional effort needed on the devs' part.
Yet another smart poster ITT. Sublty is completely lost in the zoomer generation that cannot have things said without actually being said. Everything MUST be spelled out to them in the most loud, obnoxious, in your face way possible, because that's what they believe was how life always used to be until autism took over.
I don't mind corny shit talking Sonic and I like the SA games but even I have to admit that the coolest moment in those games was all due to presentation, music and camera work with zero dialogue.
This. Even Mario can be cool with his over the top enthusiasm in the way he acts rather than spout terrible jokes or some motivational speech he once read off of a fortune cookie. Nintendo also doens't have a problem with giving him some levity with his pantomimes or physical comedy. Not that Sonic shouldn't ever talk or anything but just because he can talk doesn't mean he has to at every possible chance.
This reminds me of the Square/Squeenix stuff, such as most Final Fantasies starting with 7. A lot of Square Enix games come across to me as the second option, often trying way too hard to look cool to the point it looks pathetic
I think you mean starting with 8, as Cloud trying too hard to be cool is literally the point of his character because for most of FF7, Cloud isn't ACTUALLY Cloud. It's only when he cuts it out and Tifa unfricks his brain that he gets his real self back and is free to be his naturally dorky self while still being naturally cool as well. Plus, Cloud alway does cool looking shit. It's just that until that moment, he says a lot of stupid shit cause he think it makes him badass when the others just want him to stop. Then you have Squall who is actually just an butthole.
Pretty much. It's partly why most people don't view SA1-onward Sonic as being legitimately "cool", because the devs decided to make the character (along with everyone else) a chatterbox, whose character is defined more through mediocre dialogue instead of actions and demeanor.
If they cut around 60-70% of the Sonic's dialogue (note: not make him mute) in the 3D games, he'd easily come off as a much cooler character, with no additional effort needed on the devs' part.
Dante!Sonic poster here. This is exactly my point.
True coolness comes from effortlessness. From timing your comedic bits and knowing when to let your laidback nature speak for you rather than the mountains of dialogue and "WhooOOOAAAA"s. Modern Sonic just talks too damn much and Sonic Team is so focused on making him look like he's "in on the joke" that he seems like he's always begging the player for validation - Uncool.
Sonic going up against Eggman and having a one-liner or two, even if they're cheesy, is fine. But what would make them come off as particularly cutting or witty is if they let Eggman do all the talking so that Sonic can hit two good beats and come out on top. THAT'S cool.
When will fangame guzzling classictrannies let go of their headcanon idea of Sonic that never existed? Some of these complete non-fans unironically think Generations making classic Sonic mute was a good thing when he was literally never mute
No, generations is stupid too, because it's trying to make classic Sonic work as some kind of cute buddy to modern Sonic, which isn't who he is. He's Sonic.
It doesn't really matter if you have a particular version of Sonic that doesn't talk, if you're still going to fill the game with talky cutscenes, where classic Sonic has to sit there miming. Just don't have the cutscenes, or make them brief and snappy like they actually are in the old games.
Adventure Sonic didnt look like the artwork on the box. He still looked like classic Sonic, only a little older. An early teen vs Adventure 2 being in his late teens.
Why is SA2 so shit? Despite the roughness, SA1 actually feels like a good attempt at classic Sonic in 3D. SA2 feels like proto-boostshit made by a different dev.
The thing that's worse in SA2 than SA1 isn't the physics, but the level design. SA1 had a bunch of parts that encouraged spindashing off terrain for air or to cross gaps. In SA2, the spindash is used more purely for speed than utility.
Eh, SA2 has a lot of little shortcuts and side paths and secrets. Not nearly as many intended ones as SA2 I grant you, but I play both as speed games and otherwise boring levels like Pyramid Cave become whacky fun like webm related if you have autism
People hate Modern Sonic because he channels the sigma male schemas of non conformity and non complacency in his fluid poses and physiology, compared to the safer and more submissive Class Sonic. He is the true Sonic in the regard, for he represents the very fundamental axioms of his character rather than being a soulless, safe mascot. Modern culture hates masculinity and hates the Jesus rebellion corner of the cubic ontological alliance grid, so it would be no surprise that they would demonize modern sonic and seek to feminize and destroy his power. The masculine shonen sigma male stories with deep thematic frequencies and characterization replaced with post-ironic fetishism by Arin Hanjob and the Reddit crew. Classic worshippers are pedophiles, this is true. They want to silence Sonic much like how they want to silence those that speak up against the Covid 19 Population Control Gene Therapy Agenda, and they will bully and label anyone who expressed their soulsong genuinely and made everyone into jaded slaves of the dark Klaus Schwabian Neo Serpentine Control Grid.
>Sega pandered more than enough for your kind.
Apparently not since they were too moronic to greenlight Mania 2 after the huge success the first was and fricked up the Origins collection so badly.
So currently, westerners are trying to save the Sonic franchise and the japs keep trying to kill it with their idiotic decisions.
>People hate Modern Sonic because he channels the sigma male schemas of non conformity and non complacency in his fluid poses and physiology, compared to the safer and more submissive Class Sonic. He is the true Sonic in the regard, for he represents the very fundamental axioms of his character rather than being a soulless, safe mascot. Modern culture hates masculinity and hates the Jesus rebellion corner of the cubic ontological alliance grid, so it would be no surprise that they would demonize modern sonic and seek to feminize and destroy his power. The masculine shonen sigma male stories with deep thematic frequencies and characterization replaced with post-ironic fetishism by Arin Hanjob and the Reddit crew. Classic worshippers are pedophiles, this is true. They want to silence Sonic much like how they want to silence those that speak up against the Covid 19 Population Control Gene Therapy Agenda, and they will bully and label anyone who expressed their soulsong genuinely and made everyone into jaded slaves of the dark Klaus Schwabian Neo Serpentine Control Grid.
>People hate Modern Sonic because he channels the sigma male schemas of non conformity and non complacency in his fluid poses and physiology, compared to the safer and more submissive Class Sonic. He is the true Sonic in the regard, for he represents the very fundamental axioms of his character rather than being a soulless, safe mascot. Modern culture hates masculinity and hates the Jesus rebellion corner of the cubic ontological alliance grid, so it would be no surprise that they would demonize modern sonic and seek to feminize and destroy his power. The masculine shonen sigma male stories with deep thematic frequencies and characterization replaced with post-ironic fetishism by Arin Hanjob and the Reddit crew. Classic worshippers are pedophiles, this is true. They want to silence Sonic much like how they want to silence those that speak up against the Covid 19 Population Control Gene Therapy Agenda, and they will bully and label anyone who expressed their soulsong genuinely and made everyone into jaded slaves of the dark Klaus Schwabian Neo Serpentine Control Grid.
>People hate Modern Sonic because he channels the sigma male schemas of non conformity and non complacency in his fluid poses and physiology, compared to the safer and more submissive Class Sonic. He is the true Sonic in the regard, for he represents the very fundamental axioms of his character rather than being a soulless, safe mascot. Modern culture hates masculinity and hates the Jesus rebellion corner of the cubic ontological alliance grid, so it would be no surprise that they would demonize modern sonic and seek to feminize and destroy his power. The masculine shonen sigma male stories with deep thematic frequencies and characterization replaced with post-ironic fetishism by Arin Hanjob and the Reddit crew. Classic worshippers are pedophiles, this is true. They want to silence Sonic much like how they want to silence those that speak up against the Covid 19 Population Control Gene Therapy Agenda, and they will bully and label anyone who expressed their soulsong genuinely and made everyone into jaded slaves of the dark Klaus Schwabian Neo Serpentine Control Grid.
FRICK YOU b***h TAILS IS THE WORST SONIC CHARACTER AND IS EXACTLY THE REDDIT SIMP BETA MALE homosexual THAT YOU ARE FRICK YOU DIE b***h DIE YOURE GOING STRAIGHT TO HAITI BICH BECAUSE FRICK YOU
You're seething because of my SALIENT takes and it's funny you're AUTISTIC enough to follow a random anon on threads, go back to being deepthroated by reddit.
Are you so insane it is hard not to notice, "Oh, it's the Tails schizo again."
And this is a different anon btw, others have noticed what a crazy dramaprostitute you are.
I'm not stirring drama, I'm giving SALIENT takes which destroy the Sonic circlejerk fed to you by literal troons and reddit servents of post ironicism the most dangerous postmodern ideology.
The Americanization of media where everyone is just sweatily making sarcastic jokes about the source material is, weirdly enough, not super appealing to the people who are watching this because they loved the original. There is just something so distinctly "huhhuhhuh USA USA" about writing something that isn't as smart as it thinks it is, but has to constantly assert that me and you, the audience, we're the clever ones, because we don't buy into all this silly crap. Macho pseudo-intellectual BS
Irony is so boring. Sarcasm is so boring. It is deeply insecure to its core. I don't buy it, give me a thousand hours of shows and movies and books and games that are full-heartedly genuine and silly and loves and believes in itself for it.
>Sonic makes fun of Eggman by calling him silly names >this is the final straw, Sega...
You people come across as insane with how you hyper fixate on this line in particular. It's not out of character for any incarnation of Sonic.
Your favorite Sonic game is 3D Blast. >b-but
No. You love 3D Blast. You played it as a kid and it's been your favorite game since. Nothing will ever top it for you. You replay both versions every day of your life. Now, say it with me: "Sonic 3D Blast is my favorite videogame."
Soul, soul.
FPBP, Classicgays BTFO.
SA1 will always be the real Sonic 4.
yep
I miss when both of these characters were just one character
agreed
>left
literal cereal mascot, made for babies, stationary
>right
realistic, made for mature audiences, implied speed because he's sonic
>mature
>sonic, a nickelodeon tier dumb character with 0 good games
pick one
>realistic
>made for mature audiences
its... its fricking sonic the goddamn cartoon hedgehog whose signature catchphrase is "you're too slow!" anon...
>admitting he enjoys games made for babies
lol
lmao, even
>whose signature catchphrase is
Actually it’s “To live a life of power, you must have faith that what you believe is right, even if others tell you you’re wrong. The first thing you must do to live a life of power is to find courage. You must be ready to reach beyond the boundaries of Time itself. And to do that, all you need is the will to take that first step…”
it's actually "baldy mcnosehair" which has made you shit your pants and cry for 15 years like a moronic boomer.
He never once uttered that sentence. The only time it's been said out loud by Sonic was in an episode of Sonic Boom as a reference to the meme but apart from that one instance, it's only said in self deprecating Twitter memes
He also said it in super smash bros, the best selling Sonic game
>He never once uttered that sentence.
Imagine being so underaged you haven't even played Smash Bros Brawl. Amazing.
He doesn't have a catchphrase dumbass.
his catchphrase is "gotta go Sonic™ speed!" homosexual, and don't you forget it.
>made for mature audiences
Sonic autists actually believe this
moron
Did a unironic Scrimblogay just tried to deflect himself?
>right
>made for mature audiences
>left
cereal mascot
>right
cereal mascot edgy 2000s redesign
even the cereal mascots got edgy in the 2000s, I'll never know why
Post examples please
Jews needed to push nihilism to the masses to lead to the current clown world.
Where's 2010s Calarts cereal mascot Sonic?
Why are we pretending that cereal mascots aren't based?
You're damn right, he was stationary. Sonic used to be laid back and cool in contrast to being a speedy little bugger.
>realistic
i will pay you to record yourself skiing like that you mongoloid
>implied speed because he's sonic
Is the one on the left not Sonic?
>>left
>literal cereal mascot
and hows that bad exactly
Literally all of them look kino as frick.
Compared to same faced anime shit.
>made for mature audiences
yeah, just like pic related
He's not a cereal box mascot. He's blue Felix the Cat.
Modern Sonic is a design that would have been cool on a skater t-shirt for five minutes in 1999
>literal cereal mascot
And how is that a bad thing?
Stop making me want to frick rabbits Ganker!
>People are falling for this bait
>tfw make this post absent-mindedly
>come back hours later with all the (You)s
I'll be here all week
Jimmy youre 30 already you manchild moron
How much different could the franchise be today if they never changed the original design
Sorry, but both are pure soul.
Sega would still make shit games.
You were ignored because you are correct, anon. It can't be logically refuted.
It'd might've actually died off and we'd all be free.
It'd be a continuation of Sega Saturn Sonic, which is to say high levels of soul, but the games still aren't good.
It would probably be around the same. Sonic's redesign was done pretty late in SA1's development, to the point where some in-game assets still use a model based on his original design. Sonic Team never viewed the IP with a "Sonic looks different now, so we have to make different games too"-type mentality. Even earlier games like 3D Blast show that Sonic Team was always open to experimentation, gameplay-wise.
Who knows. In this timeline Sonic only seems to survive on the idea that everyone wants to watch the car crash wreckage. Sometimes it's a simple fender bender, other times it's a 20 car pileup.
Sega would have lost the console war either way. They didnt have nearly enough good IPs to compete with Nintendo.
I like both, but classic Sonic had the feel that he could do anything.
Just like the song!
So how much longer do we have to pretend Sonic was ever a good series?
There are good Sonic games, but there are no great Sonic games.
right is better
All I know is that I hate the Sonic we have now.
>left
soulless
>right
soul
You know hope poketards b***h about how soulless the new 3D models are because there poses aren't action poses? It's like that here, except it's actually real. Same for dialogue. Sorry but a statement like the left has 0 personality in it, right is an overblown exaggeration but even when trying to bring down the idea of giving sonic some personality, it still ends up better than right.
Whoever made this image must also think that Sonic literally just standing in a T pose is a better display of character than when he says "I'm outta here" and jumps off the screen in Sonic CD. Or even his idle actions in the genesis games.
Return to BLUE ARMS
Classic Sonic never happened, sorry kid
I want to fug that clown and make White Bomber watch.
>classic sonic, vulnerable toddler to rape
>normal sonic, ewwwww he's an adult
there just say what you actually mean
I don’t see sonic as either of those things and the person who wrote that most likely uses tumblr.
Nope.
I only care about the golden age of 3D Sonic (Adventure to 06)
why did they replace amy who was sonic's love intrest with a human girl in the 2006 game? does sega still hate amy?
Games operate in a "status quo is god" logic for the most part so Sonic's and Amy's relationship will never advance and I don't think they had any idea of what the frick they were doing with '06, at least the story erases itself from the timeline.
Amy was never Sonic's "love interest". She's just a little girl with a crush on a boy who's several years older than her (8 years older in the Classic games, 3 years older after the Adventure retcon)
06 was designed to be more epic in the RPG sense. That's why you have the evil gods, realistic eggman, reveal kiss, etc in it.
Also most of the time sonic team really doesn't want to do shit with sonic.
>left
"Ask not what others can do for you, but what you can do for others."
>right
"Let's make like Eggman's hairline and recede!"
>"Ask not what others can do for you, but what you can do for others."
And yet, he just beat a severely deranged poor manipulated woman into falling the abyss, all while as apathetic. Oh you, Sonic.
nope
sa1 and 2 still retained that "feature" of those tiny poems or messages that conveyed sonic's personality
You're thinking 12 years too late.
>actual right
"I'll never look back, I've got no regrets. 'Cause time doesn't wait for me. I choose to go my own way."
>Autistic quotes from autistic franchise
Sonic was never good. Imagine thinking Sonic is more important than a real life human being. A world leader. A actual saint.
He's better than almost every world leader combined
>"Ask not what others can do for you, but what you can do for others."
Literal JFK Quote
>"Let's make like Eggman's hairline and recede!"
It still fricking amazes me just how angry this line makes Sonic autists get. It's a perfectly good joke, and appropriate for the franchise.
Classicbros are fricking embarrassing, if you were in charge of a children's show you would put the audience to sleep.
Yes lets just slap in jap humor and kamahama blasts everywhere, that's how to write a show for non autistic people.
Irrelevant, because it's not a show, it's a video game.
>Trump: You where there for 20 years!!! Why didn't you do anything?!?!
Sonic 3 Sonic is the best version.
everything 3D sonic is cancer
the stories are wannabe D tier anime trash
the gameplay is automated spam homing attack on everything to win trash
even character designs are pure tryhard moronation
They hated him because he told them the Truth
ur wrong and gay
They hated him because he told the truth.
Shut up!
correct on all counts
This. The fact is, it feels like SEGA is still searching what to do with Sonic since he went 3D. They never made a single good Sonic 3D game.
This, although I sorta do like the character design for its own merits. Classic is superior otherwise.
why do sonicgays act like the modern sonic
Their autism prevents them from seeing how lame and tryhard he is. They actually think he's cool.
>ESL in charge of saying what Sonic's strength and weaknesses are
lmao
Based
Sonic can fundamentally never work in 3d anyways
*Sonic, fundamentally, could never work in 3D.
Fricking shitskin.
Kys grammar nazi
You just mad you cannot refute my point
If you can't say your point in words, then your point wasn't worth grabbing from the ether now was it?
>You just mad cause I can't elaborate *smacks lips*
fascinating
i dont really care about sonic that much, i only like the bunny and the fox
Classic Sonic
>universally adored
>sells well
>reviews well
>charm x 1000
Post-1998 Sonic
>universally mocked
>sells poorly
>reviews poorly
Sorry Adventuregays. Your cringe just can't compete.
Sonic Adventure had terrible writing, voice acting and character animations the day it came out. And DX fixed none of this.
I'm just telling this to zoom-zooms who think the Sonic cycle is real and Adventure was once considered a great game because of moronic critics. No, it was always a janky piece of trash with good music.
I loved that janky shit and the tomodachi simulator
>but muh reviewers-
will say Sonic was never, period. So that's a nebulous and autistic point as is.
I only say the bit about critics because people will autistically post metacritic scores to "prove" 3D Sonic was perfect up to a certain point in time when they started dropping significantly.
Nobody says it was perfect you disingenuous shitposter.
3D Sonic is the thing that pushed the autismos to think they were interesting and not lame, because they looked at the laughable shit from Sonic Adventure "you gotta follow my rainbow" and thought being this moronic was hip and cool
Die, zoomer. The Adventure games were relatively well regarded back when they came out on Dreamcast.
I know they were.
They're still the reason the series declined though.
>shit character redesigns
>absurd stories with water kaiju and giant lizards
>Ugh, Sonic is terrible. Sonic Team don't know how the series should be.
>Proceeds to demand more Shadow, buttrock, darker stories and more lame shit that turned the series into a laughingstock.
Why are Sonic fans such fricking cancers?
The real reason is that the games aren't very well made.
They were though. Very ambitious and more ballsy than anything else at that time.
>six playable characters with six playstyles
>voice acted
>live instruments
>NPCs had their own dialogue and stories
>Chao were basically virtual pets
The Adventure games are damn good, but that's where the series went wrong. The charm that old Sonic had was gone and replaced with shonen edge.
3d sonic is for dudes who exclusively jerk it to hentai.
Actually I prefer 2D Sonic.
Sonic Adventure 1 is supposed to be Classic Sonic.
"Modern" is very obviously a retcon that has slowly happened over time. Playing the games gives you this context. Sonic Adventure 1 clearly implies that Sonic 1, 2, 3K, CD, Fighters, 3D Blast, and Sonic R actually happened and are canon.
We know, autismo.
Doesn't matter, no one cares Black person.
This. There was some talk about Sonic's design changing a little for the jump to 3D (I remember the green eyes being a big deal) but otherwise it was continuous. It was only later that we separated classic from modern. Sonic Adventure was absolutely supposed to be the next step in the story of the Genesis games.
They should've stuck to it, and made adventure style games. The on rails sonic is horrible, and not fun unless you're a speed runner. I haven't bought a Sonic game since Unleased.
The weird revisionism of classic sonic being a le heccin wholesome smol bean is so weird considering he was literally designed by a marketing team to be an edgy alternative to Mario
And Mickey Mouse/Felix the cat w/e you want to call it.
The opposite is true for Mickey or Felix. They used to be way more edgy than Sonic ever was (amoral, drinkers/smokers, violent, etc), but became baby shit over time.
Sonic is supposed to be cool, but that doesn't mean he wasn't also created as a kawaii mascot character for small children. The original game is about a fat laughing scientist creating robot crabs and bees, for god's sake. It's the same lighthearted demographic as something like Kirby.
Edgy is "relative", homosexual. There's a massive different from Bing Bing Wahoo, to "I just do what I want to do without your direction responce to it" classic Sonic to "hurr durr I'm try hard autistic anime shit" modern. It's literally the difference from a good video game player that just enjoys playing a game (classic) to some homosexual tryhard that wants the world to revovlve around him and everyone else should suck his wiener for it (modern).
>The idea of Classic Sonic as a separate entity didn't exist until Generations.
The idea Sonic wasn't 90s Sonic was the very second they undermined what made people like 90s sonic, and it started with the redesigns, but then immediately followed with objectively inferior gameplay to classic Sonic.
>"N-OOOO YOU CANT HAVE SERIOUS STORIES WITH A CARTOON HEDGEHOG! NOOOOO!"
Anyone who says this demonstrates a serious lack of awareness of children's literature and storytelling throughout history. Asserting that putting mature themes in a children's story is wrong or misguided is basically at odds with most storytelling throughout human culture in almost any other time period and is probably the perspective of a sanitized person brought up on junk television and media, or whatever their excuse might be, ignorant of culture.
>"B-but Maria dies, that's so edgy!!"
Uh-huh. And? That’s bad because….cartoon game characters are escapist fantasy stories that shouldn’t deal with anything beyond the most basic power struggles? Again, totally unlike fairy tales throughout history over thousands of years where animals and children were killed or murdered or eaten etc etc, right? But video game characters must be pure because, why, exactly?
Sonic Adventure 2 and Satam are far more thematically and tonally similar to a traditional children's story than what passes for kids entertainment in mass media today.
Essentially there's no fricking way that these people would ever appreciate or recommend to a child Hans Christian Andersen, Liaozhai zhiyi, Brothers Grimm, Ozaki's "Japanese Fairy Tales", and so on. They admire a sanitized, simplistic world and consider the introduction of any supposedly "mature" themes a tonal intrusion. What they don't recognize is that this position is genuinely a 20th/21st-century sheltered-kid puritanical position that goes against the entire history of children's storytelling. Their criticism of Sonic Adventure 2 is focused solely on the fact that depression and grief has no place in a cartoonish world, but when cute animals dealt with these things in stories all over the world for centuries, I have to wonder how many other works in how many other cultures would be considered to be shit by their standards.
>This autistic troon again from Ganker
Do not reply to this homosexual. He shits up the catalogs of Ganker, /vr/ and Ganker with these shitty cope posts. His threeads are the ones with SA2 and Mega Man X as the OP image btw.
It's just a facet of life worth dealing with in art like anything else. Kids are human beings not some other creature, they've been able to experience and appreciate fairy tales with so-called "mature" themes for centuries in cultures all over the world. Coddled westerners raised on corporation-created dopamine-delivery-vehicles are the anomaly here. You ask them what stories under this logic they'd consider shit? The answer is of course: none, because these people are almost certainly culturally illiterate and their only other point of comparison for children's stories is other children's video games like Super Mario.
>He literally admits it is him
How sad. Doing this song and dance for like a fricking year, only for no one to fricking give a shit about his autistically shit takes.
You gave a shit enough to respond and not only that, most people seem to agree.
>Respond
>Gave no (you)s
Try again.
>and not only that, most people seem to agree.
Prove it. Imagine coping this badly.
Look at any other time this has been posted in threads. Try it and see what you get. Especially in VR
>Look at any other time this has been posted in threads.
I have, homosexual. I was in all of them, and 95% of the threads had everyone call you a seething homosexualron that needs to cope already.
the frick are u doing you moron I have no time to ctrl+f the posts u are replying to talk like a 80+ iq person please
you are mistaking serious with lame and moronic
Miyamoto genuinely thinks Mario is supposed to be "cool" as well. The Japanese have a slightly different idea of what that means.
Explicitly cute stuff in Japan is like ten levels of cute.
Outside of gameplay, Classic Sonic was characterized exactly like Modern Sonic. The only difference is the design. The idea of Classic Sonic as a separate entity didn't exist until Generations.
Classicgay here.
Adventure Sonic is charming and a lot of fun. I like him too.
is this based on the OVA
Probably inspired by it, yeah.
I never really gave it much thought but I think this way of giving him expression like in the OVA, the way his pupils change shape instead of the whole brow, works better.
Adventure 1/2 are the only good sonic games. Get fricked, gen x furries. His name was always Doctor Eggman in Japan.
>Adventure 2
>good
>Get fricked, gen x furries. His name was always Doctor Eggman in Japan.
Unfathomably based. You're getting a PPPPPRRRROMOTION!
the only good sonic games are the classic 2d and SA1 is the only good (read passable) 3d one
SA2 destroyed all the potential for 3d sonic and the franchise never recovered
>Classic 2D
Advance, Advance 3, and Rush are fine too.
>Boostshit
The Advance series didn't have Boost moron.
The first one didn't, but it's still worse than all classic Sonic games
2 and 3 has boostshit mentality and a literal "go mach speed if you do x" in Advance 2. Doesn't matter if its not a button press away, it still happens and its bad period.
>"go mach speed if you do x" in Advance 2
By "x" you mean retain top speed for a certain amount of time? That's exactly the kind of reward a Sonic game should have. It's not like it makes you invincible like boost does either.
Advance 2's issues are in its level design, not the gameplay mechanics.
WTF
>By "x" you mean retain top speed for a certain amount of time?
It can't be top speed if you're gifted that after doing so, yes. The problem is that's not natural accelration, and all it does is make Sonic become flash and doesn't have the nuances that give it a risk and reward system that rolling did.
This "instance max speed" is why Sonic was never good. He's SUPPOSE to naturally build up to max speed, not be toggled into it on a dime. Why do you think actual classic Sonic schizos hate the spindash? At least the spindash requires you to give up all speed to be giving near max speed at full charge whereever you want to execute it. It gives a give an take from speed, while boosting of ANY kind stacks it on top of your otherwise natural gainage of it.
>It can't be top speed if you're gifted that after doing so, yes.
Have you ever played Advance 2? The players uses skill to retain their top speed for a set amount of time, which the game then rewards by giving the player a new top speed (i.e. mach speed mode), with the player being encouraged to use their skills to continue retaining this new top speed. Nothing about this is similar to the boost at all, or even the spindash, really. You're still vulnerable when in mach speed mode too, meaning the player has to be even more careful when moving at this new speed and is actually encouraged to rely more on rolling and trick moves (at least as Sonic) to traverse so they don't crash into any enemies.
It even gives ring collecting more of a purpose too, since I believe the amount of time you have to maintain your top speed depends on the amount of rings you're carrying (i.e. more rings = decreased time). Nothing about this is about giving the player insta-speed, because the reward only occurs when the player has managed to gain speed on their own.
WTF
I'm gonna play devil's advocate and say that Sonic Heroes is a genuine gem, not only as a Sonic game but a 3D platformer as well.
>doesn't waste your time with a bullshit 2deep4you furry plot no one cares about
>the 3-man team mechanic is interesting and used to great effect throughout the entire game
>kickass soundtrack
>one of the best level intros ever made (Egg Fleet)
>levels are big, varied, well designed, fun to play and with self-contained gimmicks that never outstay their welcome
>no bullshit metagame (no hubworlds, no alternate gameplay styles that deviate from the regular levels as a desperate attempt to pad game time)
Such a shame the game being rushed made the controls so slippery and the other Non-Sonic Teams didn't add much. I'd love to see how it would've turned out if it had more time in the oven.
SA2 is only fun with mods.
You know what'd be a natural progression of Sonic's character for the modern games?
Make him act like a family friendly Dante. Confident, quippy, but effortlessly cool with a hidden strong moral center. It'd present a more "mature" take on his cool character without sacrificing any of his fun-loving charm.
Dante and Sonic already have adjacent appeal, particularly Adventure-era. If you like(d) Sonic, chances are you like his M-Rated version. Although with the Meta-era, Sonic has drifted more towards being an unfunny version Spider-Man and less of an "anime Ninja-Turtle". We just need to roll it back, but that's probably impossible at this point.
The movies cemented Sonic as a neurotic motor mouth unfortunately.
>Cemented
The movie is not the game Sonic, you autistic schizos. Even if by some miricale you homosexuals got 2000s Sonic back it would still have shit games, like all eras of Sonic are getting as long as SEGA is still making them.
Yeah, exactly.
If adventure era Sonic is DMC3 Dante, his modern counterpart would perfectly move into the slightly scaled back DMC4/5 Dante. I think Sonic's earned an "effortlessly cool" phase. This Sonic would be fun and snarky, but delivering quips with the sharpness of an action hero compared to Modern Sonic's quips and one-liners that feel grossly Joss Whedon-esque.
Classic Sonic is better because modern sonic is a psychopath
um no thanks after origins
right looks awesome
Take a look at the movies from Sonic Origins.
The cut from Origins' slow, light, overly childlike animation to the lightning fast, massively high-energy, and lyrically inspiring Sonic CD intro is like going from riding a coin-operating kiddie ride to being strapped to the top of a bullet train. It really puts it into perspective how cool and high-quality Sonic CD was.
That being said, Hesse's animations are good for what they are, but they would be a lot more enjoyable if the sound design wasn't so awful.
Now that is a God-tier Classic Sonic model if I ever saw one. It blows my mind how Sonic Team repeatedly fails to measure up to Sonic fans' works.
>yo, us 2000's sonic gays ski like this
>but 90's sonic gays ski like this
All I really want from Sonic games is the have the his friends involved rather than just being background characters; the large cast and their interactions was what really got me into the series with Heroes, but Sonic Team is terrified about deviating from Boost gameplay.
Games don’t even need to have a separate gameplay style for each character like Adventure 1 and ‘06; Adventure 2 and Heroes got it right by just having 3 gameplay styles and focusing on those
Agreed. I'm fine with Rogue being a different model of Knuckles, Shadow being a different model of Sonic & so on with their own unique animations. I liked Sonic 06, not as much as SA1&2, but it feels more enjoyable, and to some degree, identifiable as a Sonic game than any boost game ever will.
I fricking hate the boost formula.
I've always hated the modern design. It's outright unappealing. The coloured eyes are the worst part and that generally looks like shit with most cartoon characters.
The only real charm classic Sonic ever had was in promotional materials (not video games), Sonic CD (great video game) and Chaotix (shit video game). MAYBE Sonic 1. The rest was aesthetically westernized trash despite 3&K being fun. The Sonic Adventure titles captured the feeling of turn-of-the-millennium Japan perfectly. That said, it's not surprising zoomers born after 9/11 wouldn't appreciate that.
Sonic 3 looks great. What crack are you smoking?
>West Bad!
Oh, that. Ok.
Sure, it looks objectively good, but it completely fails to capture Sonic's style.
>West bad!
Yeah, when we're talking about a series with strong Japanese roots and sensibilities that was coopted by Americans. We can also talk about how hard the OVA mogs every American Sonic cartoon while we're at it.
>Yeah, when we're talking about a series with strong Japanese roots and sensibilities that was coopted by Americans.
Sonic doesn't have "strong Japanese roots and sensibilities," if you want that go read watch Maruko-chan. Sonic was a joint creative venture between the east and west exploring UNIVERSAL themes of power and rebellion. Stylistically, it was equal parts Golden Age American Animation and Shonen Anime, musically it was equal parts American New Jack Swing and Japanese Jazz Fusion. When the close collaboration between East and West started to fall through is when Sonic started to go awry.
>We can also talk about how hard the OVA mogs every American Sonic cartoon while we're at it.
Go ahead. Talk about it. You won't get very far because the Sonic OVA is dull hipster bait.
>we're talking about a series with strong Japanese roots
Black person, the original pitch was fricking Teddy Roosevelt. The character was unmistakably influenced by western cartoon mascots like Felix the Cat and Mickey Mouse - What the frick do you MEAN "Japanese roots"?! Sonic is one of the most transparently Westaboo designs to come out of Japan. Even the fricking MUSIC was almost entirely composed with western trends in mind.
But the OVA IS the best, so I'll give you a little slack.
Inspiration =/= execution in practice. Tezuka was heavily influenced by old Disney cartoons as well, but literally no one would suggest that his works are anything but uniquely Japanese. The disparity between, say, the Sonic Screensaver illustrations and the nauseating American designs is immediately obvious. Similarly, the Japanese-developed games like Sonic CD contrast heavily with 2 or 3&K in style and presentation. If we're talking music, we're literally talking about a series that started out with stuff composed by a Japanese pop ballad group and then had an entire soundtrack carved up and replaced exclusively for America.
More zoomer posts.
Oshima was a westaboo and only his input matters. Frick Naka.
>That said, it's not surprising zoomers born after 9/11 wouldn't appreciate that.
I mean, not everyone is a fricking weebcuck that worships fricking bugmen. Hispanics sure, but not everyone is born so unfortunate.
POV: You are Tails.
left looks submissive and breedable
right looks like he FRICKS adult men
I miss radical surfer dude Sonic. I don't even know how to describe the current one's personality.
Don't know how hot a take this is, but Classic Sonic's lame-ification is Sonic Team's fault. They're the ones who push this uber-cute Classic Sonic, starting with Generations.
Like even if you look at Sonic Mania Adventures, that version of Sonic conveys a personality that would naturally develop into Adventure Sonic, all through facial expressions and no dialogue.
I see Tyson Hesse and Mania getting a lot of flak, but I honestly think they get it more than Sonic Team does - but hey, what else is new?
Definitely not a hot take; I think most reasonable people agree with that assessment. They even took Sonic's voiced lines out of CD in Origins because of this weird autistic Mickey Mouse bullshit where classic Sonic is suddenly not allowed to speak at all. This series has been so mismanaged since the Dreamcast bombed.
>Sonic's voiced lines out of CD
Sonic didn't have voice lines in CD.
He can speak several full words in CD.
He does say
>"I'm outta here!"
Before jumping off the screen if you stand still for 3 minutes
https://mobile.twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1545458977143603200?t=tzSG5WVT8FqeEiHlxTRZHg&s=19
maybe he's not so bad after all
Ok just this one time he is based.
This kills the Adventuregays that hated on Utopia.
I thought you homosexual hated Naka
I do, if he stayed in his code monkey chair like a good little programmer I'd respect him. But he's a seething Black person that wanted something he was never meant to have.
why does classic Sonic have one eyeball
It's a toon thing.
Those kind of characters do a good job making it clear they're supposed to be two eyes, just right next to each other. Sonic never really gave each eye a slight bulge to better differentiate.
>Sonic never really gave each eye a slight bulge to better differentiate.
Buddy, I...
That anon is moronic, it's only modern Sonic's bad design that made it look like a massive sphere with two pupil textures on it.
That's not really the eye, is it? Modern Sonic can also blink each eye independently. Other characters like Goofy or Rayman are rarely shown without some black line in between the eyes to make it clear they're two eyes. If 3D each eye has a clear bulge. Not Sonic. It's why a lot of people describe Sonic as having a monoeye while no one does the same for other cartoon characters.
>It's why a lot of people describe Sonic as having a monoeye while no one does the same for other cartoon characters.
Key word missing her, it's modern Sonic. In 2D his brow made it clear it was a two eye seperating because it's concaved. It was the detail needed to not make morons think it was one massive eyeball with two pupuls which never ever made any fricking sense to come to the conclusing to.
It's just a stylisized look. It's clearly suppose to to be 2 eyes, it's just a fricking cartoon. It only looks worse in 3D because it's 3D, and 3D makes the stabilization disappear and look like shit as a result, which is why the movie design is objectively superior for 3D Sonic that doesn't use stylization like a toon shader.
I agree it's worse in modern Sonic since with 3D you can see the windshield eyes in all its detail. In the old games I didn't give it much thought since the resolution was so small, and the OVA did the more anime thing of having the white part mostly static while the pupils change for different expressions.
>It only looks worse in 3D because it's 3D, and 3D makes the stabilization disappear and look like shit as a result
It would look fine in 3D if current Sonic didn't have massive protruding brows that make his eyes appear to sink further back into his head, resulting in a bizarre, implied skull-shape.
This is why I like the original Dreamcast model for SA1, since it retains the general "roundness" of Sonic's earlier design. Just looks better, imo, and that includes how the eyes are executed.
Ultimately, yes, but the 'pussy crease' between his eyes doesn't help either, and should just go back to the smoothed out shape or even better, the sharp point like seen here
I agree, that's why I pointed out the SA1 model as an example, which lacks it. Sonic Team's insistence that Sonic constantly furrow his brow is dumb, imo, and makes the character appear less expressive as a result.
You should find another one yourself if you only see one eye.
>Return to Classic Sonic
New FINISHED fan game dropped recently:
Link to the home page, not a youtube video.
>zoomers are so incompetent they can't even click on a YouTube video description
We're all fricked, bros...
Kinda overrated game. Like, it's cool and all that, but so far I don't really like the level design as much as Mania's/S3Ks, I don't like the art style, looks far too flat and almost even more flat than the Advance series somehow, and the bosses are kinda rom hack tier, as in, let's just make it extremely violence aka move extremely fast to make it harder to badnik bounce the fricker
Also it has Sonic 1 syndrome as you can't badnik bounce the fricker because hurr durr you shouldn't cheese the boss so lets just have a 5 min boss fight for no reason. In a fricking 2D classic game that was never designed to be hard, ever. Music is ok though, but nothing is better than Tee Lopes.
Meh... busy artwork, boring level design, unmemorable music, poorly designed bossfights. It's impressive that it's completed but that's really one of the only notable positive things to say about it.
I'm waiting for sonic Hysteria personally.
Allegedly it IS a game in development apparently? it's a bit confusing.
Somehow forgot the favourite:
love the ominous undertones towards the end of this one.
>Not posting the absolute kino that is the remix of Toxic Caves Zone
Baka
> that chemical plant influence in act 2
yeah that's the good shit
The hard truth to swallow: Sega already made Sonic look weird and ugly before Sonic Adventure 1.
sonic never looked good until adventure 1.
Which is why Mania fixed it.
And then introduced another problem by giving Sonic and Knuckles an uglier lighter shade of blue and red.
It's just bright highlights, Knuckles' colors were explicitly ripped straight out of Knuckles' Chaotix, long before any "Generations mandates".
The last few threads we had were praising the Sonic 3 sprite as the best one and I thought I was going crazy. I thought we always agreed it looked like shit.
the best sprite will always be sonic advance.
I remember so many fan stuff used these sprites back in the day
S3&K Sonic was the superior Sonic sprite.
Adventure sonic is superior in every way. BTW the merge is happening.
I'm pretty sure I know this anon in OPs pic. He would always refer to modern Sonic like this and would always relate it to black culture on every forum he could post it on. It was pretty cringy after awhile and this is someone who likes the classic design better.
>using dark age post 3K babbified classic
No. Return to REAL Classic.
>"real classic"
>not drawn by Ohshima
pick 1 dude
Yamaguchi's Sonic is absolute kino, perhaps, better than Toei's?
It's funny because when Adventure 1 came out people did not like the sonic friends opening their mouths to stay stupid shit. After a long time we have homosexuals going nono bro it's some really deep shit trust me
>It's funny because when Adventure 1 came out people did not like the sonic friends opening their mouths to stay stupid shit.
only classicucks didn't like the dialogue, and they were always going to shit on adventure anyway because it wasn't their precious xtreme and it didn't feature their furgay waifu sally.
actually it was only the sperglords who liked it, the general opinion is that it was a good indicator that why the characters should have remained mutes
of course you don't, sonic autists aren't aware o how cringe they are, because they genuinely think the trash they like is "mature" lmfao
>only classicucks didn't like the dialogue
Adventure era dialogue has always been mocked. Honestly, all Sonic dialogue is mocked to some degree, for good reason.
Oh this is some maxium shitposting. No one gives a fricking shit about xtreme itself, it's just not ethtical to sabotage the American branch just because Naka was a Black person about it
Nothing was going to work on Shiturn. And it's not SoA's fault Naka rather completely ignore a Sonic game being on Saturn just for his homosexual ass gay clown.
SA1 is shit on for failing to be S3K in 3D. It's just inferior Classic Sonic with half of all the good shit about it in automated on rails sections that remove gameplay from the player plus non Sonic gameplay on top like fishing and RNG hunting, there's nothing there for original fans of Sonic to enjoy, hence why only 2000s zoomers that grew up on it can only defend it.
>it's just not ethtical to sabotage the American branch
nothing was "sabotaged." xtreme was a shit game, it was always going to be shit, and naka saved the franchise by pulling the plug and making adventure instead.
you can't pretend xtreme isn't the cause of you homosexuals' bitterness towards adventure when you're literally still seething this hard over its cancellation all these years later.
>nothing was "sabotaged."
SEGA gave the dev team the engine THEY own, it's Naka that thinks he owns anything when in fact it's public LAW that any and all things made under company hours is THEIR property, not the homosexual crying muh ownership
Naka fricked up, not the STi devs.
the nights engine was highly complex, there is no way the morons making xtreme would have made anything good with it. naka was being a good steward of the franchise by stepping in and bringing it back to japan where quality could be made, leading to the golden age of 1999-2009. cope harder.
Kys Nakadrone. C and Assembly are literally compatible , there's nothing to not understand.
you and being a woman are incompatible.
>Le trannies
Imagine being mentally obsessed with headcanons you made up to get mad at.
i know, right? i can't imagine still being whipped up in the headcanon that xtreme would have been a masterpiece if only that mean son of a b***h naka hadn't ruined everything.
> i can't imagine still being whipped up in the headcanon that xtreme would have been a masterpiece if only that mean son of a b***h naka hadn't ruined everything.
Nobody said this you dumb mouthbreathing moron.
Only you are saying xtreme was a masterpiece
I'm saying Naka is a Black person that would rather have no Sonic game over a gay clown no one asked for over a passionate team trying to find ways to make their game better but got gatekeeped by foreign devs that thing they have more power than the company itself.
nights has nothing to do with it.
the years leading up to xtreme were filled with absolute shovelware like labyrinth, blast, sonic's schoolhouse, etc. that were tanking the sonic brand. if xtreme had been released, it would have killed the franchise entirely. naka had to choose between no sonic games on saturn or no sonic games ever again after the saturn, and he made the only rational choice.
>the years leading up to xtreme were filled with absolute shovelware like labyrinth, blast, sonic's schoolhouse, etc. that were tanking the sonic brand. if xtreme had been released, it would have killed the franchise entirely
>He fricking thinks fricking spinoff games were tanking the Sonic IP
>The same IP that had the best platformers in the entire industry that fans were spending far more time replying over and over again
You're a fricking zoomer and need to kill himself. Absolutely nothing about your post is fact. If Xtreme released with """Naka's""" engine it would have been a 7/10 game back then (which is like a 5 out of 10 game today to morons that can't grade games objectively anymore) which back then would have been seen as "it's ok, but not as good as Mario 64". Which would be a sting on Sonic but not to the point he'd die off because he didn't die off without games, and certainly hasn't fricking died off years later with trash like Sonic 06.
This idea "Sonic would have died" is gaslighting to it's core because we've had at least 5 games at this point that should have ended this homosexual for good but hasn't solely because of the autistic fanbase worshiping his footsteps. As long as a Sonic game is playable, people would defend it no matter how shit it ultimately is. Just like SA1, which was originally so buggy in Jap they had to make it slightly better for the international release. The reason every other version of SA1 that was rereleased afterwards was so buggy is because they use the Japanese build instead of the international release, which is a common practice for Jap devs to do.
The rational fricking choice was for Naka to scrap Nights for later and make a Sonic Jam like 3D Sonic game. That way it would have been the building blocks that could have made for a better SA1 instead of random non Sonic shit to pander to "RPG" people. Akira Toriyama made Super in response to that fricking trash that was Evolution, the same should have been done here.
>If Xtreme released with """Naka's""" engine it would have been a 7/10 game back then
CLASSIKEKS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS
So you're saying even """Naka's""" engine was dogshit? You're saying Nights was never good?
no, i'm saying that the western developers were dogshit and that xtreme was never good in any incarnation.
Nice copium.
>autistic fanbase worshiping his footsteps
you're not seriously implying this fanbase existed in the Saturn era, are you?
>you're not seriously implying this fanbase existed in the Saturn era, are you?
Genesis fans still existed you fricking troon. They didn't just magically stop playing Sonic games.
The sonic autism fanbase of today didn't exist back then and you have no evidence otherwise.
I'm not talking about the Nintendo gay generation of manchildren, I'm talking about OG fans that loved the games that kept playing the games and ignored the shit spin off games that weren't even fricking platformers.
You're the one who said autistic fanbase.
>switch to Nip voice acting
>it immediately goes from lame to kino
The actors' performance is like night and day. I also like how one of Sonic's character traits is adding Engrish phrases into everything.
Cartoon characters trying to teach me life lessons gives me immediate Veggie Tales cringe.
>BTFO's Sonic Team
What a chad.
>Complains something looking like it belongs on a cereal box is le not mature
>Despite the fact I know 99% of you homosexuals still eat sugar infused cereal daily like the fat bastards you all are
Don't kid yourselves.
I think being so concerned with "branding" (is it appropriate for Sonic to have mature themes or these things in it? Or Mario? Or what about Pokemon?) is sign of corporatist brain-rot where storytelling has been monopolized by IP-holders and the extent of media criticism by their target audiences isn't with respect to art's meaning but instead whether or not it's "on-brand". You'd have children's stories all throughout history where animals maim each other or little kids were devoured by demons, cute aesthetics that go dark by the end, but what apparently counts as legitimate criticism now is to point out that something that looks childish goes to dark places and how awful that is for a children's IP.
Like most things in life it comes down to execution. Even Mario can occasionally pull some sudden darker imagery. Sonic though, more often than not the execution just makes it more of a laughing stock. Doesn't help that the games are clearly done on a cheap budget so shit is just poorly animated with no sense of tension.
No, adventure era sonic is way better. Also, sonic always acted like that.
>Modern Sonic isn't a cereal mascot
Cope of the century. He's a corporate mascot.
Modern sonic fans and Kingdom Hearts fans are the same audience.
I hate kingdom hearts though
you mean alpha chads? that's correct, thanks for noticing.
I don't know what to tell you. Cutesy designs in serious stories is kino.
>can only pay attention to "serious" stories if there are cartoon characters on-screen
Why does autism cause this. Legitimately curious.
It's pretty clear that you don't have anything interesting to form a rebuttal with. Not every serious story has to have realistic characters or even human characters to be serious. There's an appeal to melodrama done by caricatures. I'd love to see what evidence that you have that'd override several thousand years of human storytelling.
>It's pretty clear that you don't have anything interesting to form a rebuttal with.
A rebuttal for what. I asked a question and would like to see a serious answer.
Also you're the only calling these stories "serious", when most of the time they're really not that serious at all, unless you view everything through a black-and-white "this is either serious, or a comedy" filter.
>I asked a serious question
You asked a sarcastic, literal meme question. And I gave you an actual thought out and mature rebuttal to that question. I pointed out how and why cutesy designs are good and contrast well for more serious themes.
>Unless you're looking at everything through a this is serious and this is comedy filter
"Levels of seriousness" is only pure pedantry and I'm not interested in arguing that.
>You asked a sarcastic, literal meme question.
It's not a meme question at all. Most people with autism will usually only give attention to media that's considered "serious" if there are cartoon characters present. This isn't some rare occurrence, it's a pretty blatant observation. I'm curious what kind of mentality causes that.
>And I gave you an actual thought out and mature rebuttal to that question.
Actually you just dodged the question entirely. It's a pretty open query, I don't need you specifically to provide some kind of "rebuttal" to it, as if you're offended by said question for whatever reason (I'm guessing you have autism yourself). It's not like I said certain kinds of stories featuring cartoonish characters was an inherently bad thing.
>"Levels of seriousness" is only pure pedantry and I'm not interested in arguing that.
Using "serious" as a blanket descriptor for any kind of story is moronic. You can have non-serious stories that still take themselves seriously.
>It's not a meme question at all. Most people with autism will usually only give attention to media that's considered "serious" if there are cartoon characters present.
Based on what? Where? What evidence? I I know I probably shouldn't even be bothering with this given that your sarcasm is practically dripping from every post.
>I'm curious what kind of mentality causes that.
And I explained the mentality right here.
Don't blame me for your lack of mental proclivities.
>Actually you just dodged the question entirely. It's a pretty open query.
An open query that I answered to the fullest extent.
>I don't need you specifically to provide some kind of "rebuttal" to it, as if you're offended by said question for whatever reason.
So then why are you asking me? Don't post on a public forum if you don't wish to have your ideas rebutted or called out.
>Using serious as a blanket descriptor is moronic
I'm not using it as a blanket descriptor. It accurately describes the content of these stories. You're simply not engaging with anything I'm saying.
>Based on what?
Based on the fact that you only see autists cling to more "involved" or mature stories if they feature cutesy/cartoonish character designs. I see it all the time.
>And I explained the mentality right here.
>Don't blame me for your lack of mental proclivities.
What is with this weird hostility. That post wasn't replying to me if that's what you're assuming. It also doesn't explain why this is a common occurrence across those with autism, you're just describing why you like it. Unless you do actually have autism, then I guess I appreciate the personal insight on the subject.
>An open query that I answered to the fullest extent.
You didn't really answer anything, you just tried to defend those kinds of stories as if I said they were inherently bad.
>So then why are you asking me? Don't post on a public forum if you don't wish to have your ideas rebutted or called out.
Because what I'm assuming was your original post inspired my question. I don't really care if you answer it or not, but I don't really see what about it provoked a rebuttal of any kind, as if you took personal offense to it.
>I'm not using it as a blanket descriptor.
But you did. Stories are more than just "serious" or "non-serious". It's dumb.
>Based on the fact that you only see autists cling to more "involved" or mature stories if they feature cutesy/cartoonish character designs. I see it all the time.
Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that you were expecting me to take your anecdotal evidence seriously.
>What is with this weird hostility.
Because your posts are nothing more than moronic sarcastic nonsense.
>It also doesn't explain why this is a common occurrence across those with autism, you're just describing why you like it.
Because you have no evidence for your moronic claim. As such I have no need ro take it seriously. Make an actual substantiated claim and then we'll.
>DURRR HURR I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSONAL INSIGHT
Shut the frick up tard.
>You didn't really answer anything, you just tried to defend those kinds of stories as if I said they were inherently bad.
>Implications don't exist now apparently
>Because what I'm assuming was your original post inspired my question. I don't really care if you answer it or not, but I don't really see what about it provoked a rebuttal of any kind, as if you took personal offense to it.
Because this is the fricking internet you moron. Anyone can reply to anything that they want. I took offense because you're implying that the only reason why people make these stories or like them is because they have autism. I'm rebutting your ahistorical view on artwork.
>Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that you were expecting me to take your anecdotal evidence seriously.
I don't really need you to answer it at all. Especially if you're going to get this upset.
>Because your posts are nothing more than moronic sarcastic nonsense.
I don't think you understand what sarcasm is.
>Because you have no evidence for your moronic claim. As such I have no need ro take it seriously.
Then why reply in the first place.
>Shut the frick up tard.
Is this confirmation that you are autistic? Is this why you're getting needlessly offended over a basic question? Why keep dodging around it.
>Implications don't exist now apparently
>I took offense because you're implying that the only reason why people make these stories or like them is because they have autism.
My question didn't imply either of those things, I asked why autists are apparently so attracted to those kind of stories. Enough with your victim complex.
>No I did not.
>Cutesy designs in serious stories is kino.
Yes you did.
>I don't really need you to answer it at all. Especially if you're going to get this upset.
Then why post it in the first place?
>I don't think you understand what sarcasm is.
I understand it perfectly and your posting reeks of it.
>Then why reply in the first place
Then why make the post in the first place if you didn't feel the need for it to be replied to or challenged?
>Is this confirmation that you are autistic? Is this why you're getting needlessly offended over a basic question? Why keep dodging around it.
Ahh, I see now. This is pure projecting on your part. Any answer I give, you're just going to deny it anyway to suit your worldview. Your projecting a worldview of autistic people that's not only not true, you're ignoring the countless other reasons for why cutesy characters in serious stories work and appeal to people that aren't just autistic. Which is what I was refuting you on in the first place. Read better and actually engage with the counter arguments that are being put forth instead of spewing the same sarcastic nonsense.
>My question didn't imply either of those things, I asked why autists are apparently so attracted to those kind of stories. Enough with your victim complex.
You have no evidence, proof, literally anything that says that. And I just showed you the mindset behind making a piece of media like this.
>Yes you did.
No, I didn't. I am not using it as a blanket term. I am not using it as a catchall, I'm not using it incorrectly. These stories all have serious content and take themselves seriously.
>Then why post it in the first place?
Because I'm interested in an answer.
>I understand it perfectly
Apparently not.
>Then why make the post in the first place if you didn't feel the need for it to be replied to or challenged?
You're not challenging it, though. You jumped to explain why you personally like those types of stories because you apparently got offended over the question being asked in the first place.
>Ahh, I see now. This is pure projecting on your part. [words words words] Read better and actually engage with the counter arguments that are being put forth instead of spewing the same sarcastic nonsense.
You haven't provided any counter arguments, and you also keep dodging whether you're autistic or not. AND you keep acting like I said "cutesy characters in serious stories" doesn't work, even though I never mentioned so.
>You have no evidence, proof, literally anything that says that.
I already said it's something I see a lot, hence why I'm curious.
>And I just showed you the mindset behind making a piece of media like this.
Which was unnecessary and irrelevant. I never displayed confusion as to why those types of stories are made.
>No, I didn't. These stories all have serious content and take themselves seriously.
I literally just quoted were you did. And most Sonic stories are not that serious. This is why your usage of that term is moronic. SA1's plot isn't "serious", it's an adventure story that features moments of both levity and conflict. Boiling something like that down into "serious" or the alternative is, again, dumb.
>But you did. Stories are more than just "serious" or "non-serious". It's dumb.
No I did not. I'm accurately describing the contents of the works.
This is like saying you like Black folk in white neighborhoods.
Just because it's "contrasting from the norm" doesn't make it good.
It's even more clear to me why you don't understand why this contrast works for storytelling to begin with. The cutesy designs help to contrast against the darker themes by making characters look more innocent, vulnerable and weaker against the dark stakes. You literally just don't like it when it comes to Sonic. Which is fine, except when you start to gatekeep art based off of your own ignorance and hatred of one bad example that isn't even representative of the series as a whole.
I don't care. Just because you like it doesn't mean I should. I like dark designs with dark elements, it works far better. Every example of "cute thing marketed to contrast darkness" has ALWAYS came of cringe as frick to me, no whatever what it ever was. The lightyear movie is the latest example of it.
>I don't care. Just because you like it doesn't mean I should. I like dark designs with dark elements, it works far better.
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
I like cute designs too, in whimsical and fantastical tones and locations
>Why are you arguing with me then?
Because you replied to me with your headcanons
>Nobody said this.
And yet you came into the thread crying about why Sonic is "mandated" by "branding" when no one gives a shit what you think
>That's your own opinion.
And so is yours.
>An opinion by the way that is pretty ahistorical and against most art in general.
And the difference between those "arts" and sonic is that they aren't Sonic. The first Sonic product wasn't Deathnote or about Satan. Any other "arts" that was about one and only one thing, is defined by that thing.
If you really wanted to proof a fricking point, why don't you prove those very examples didn't get some reimagining that made them either "kid friendly" compared to how it started, or got even darker over time. All you do is post random shit as "proof" despite realizing Sonic isn't own by like 20 companies that can all do their take on a different Sonic tone. Literally all Sonic media come with the same "middle ground" of what to expect from him.
>Because you replied to me with your headcanons
Headcanons? About what? Where?
>And yet you came into the thread crying about why Sonic is "mandated" by "branding" when no one gives a shit what you think.
You gave a shit enough to respond and gave entire paragraphs to try and argue against my point.
>And the difference between those "arts" and sonic is that they aren't Sonic. The first Sonic product wasn't Deathnote or about Satan. Any other "arts" that was about one and only one thing, is defined by that thing.
This is also pure pedantry. By this logic you'd probably be against adapting literally any piece of media, ever in history. Pic related.
>"Oh no! The pizza loving turtles went all serious and dark! The humanity!"
What is sonic "defined" by by the way?
>All you do is post random shit as "proof" despite realizing Sonic isn't own by like 20 companies that can all do their take on a different Sonic tone. Literally all Sonic media come with the same "middle ground" of what to expect from him.
And how does this prove me wrong, exactly? You do realize that there's literally hundreds of dark Sonic fanfiction, fanart etc that's been done throughout the years, correct? This is exactly what I mean by corporatist brainrot.
That comic does look pretty cringe.
And I don't care about what you consider "cringe". The facts are what the facts are. It's amazing that people cannot comprehend tonal variety or contrasting character designs themes. They're literally more autistic than Sonic fans.
It's lame though. I don't want things that are lame.
>What is sonic "defined" by by the way?
What classic Sonic was doing.
>You do realize that there's literally hundreds of dark Sonic fanfiction, fanart etc that's been done throughout the years, correct?
And where is any of those been officially licensed by SEGA? Are you trying to be moronic on purpose?
>What Classic Sonic was doing
Good to know that you're against any and all media adaptation then.
>And where is any of those been officially licensed by SEGA? Are you trying to be moronic on purpose?
Why does it have to be?
>Good to know that you're against any and all media adaptation then.
Only when it replaces the original to pander to non fans.
>Why does it have to be?
I never said it had to, but if you're cry about what SEGA is doing, I'd assume you'd be talking about offical products.
If you're ok with using fan made shit, why not just frick off and stick to the fan made shit you schitzo?
>Only when it replaces the original to pander to non fans.
Every time a series has pandered TO fans it always fails and the series becomes niche. Sonic has one of the biggest fanbases in the world for a reason.
>I never said it had to, but if you're cry about what SEGA is doing, I'd assume you'd be talking about offical products.
I'm talking about the people who use criticisms like "This doesn't feel like Sonic" for the adventure era games or "These themes are not appropriate for Sonic."
It should pander to people who like good games. They've been struggling with that one since the end of the 16-bit era.
The Dark age of Sonic on sales alone disproves that.
Disproves fricking what? Literally every 2000s era game, sans the two exclusively made for Nintendo consoles, have all sold like shit, only with worse numbers being Lost World because the Pii U was a failure in itself. Even forces sold more than the early 3D Sonic games if that 7+ million PS shit means anything.
All of the Dark Age Sonic games sold incredibly well and most of them sold better than any of the genesis games.
>He can't read lines on a chart
Fricking pathetic.
>Disproves fricking what
That Sonic had to "pander" or sell good games to keep its name going. It's been selling incredibly well even during the dark ages which all sold greatly. Sonic has one of the biggest fanbases in the world for a reason.
>That Sonic had to "pander" or sell good games to keep its name going.
If it did it would have been better off you shiteating moron
> It's been selling incredibly well even during the dark ages which all sold greatly
Because Nintendrónes came in and replaced the old generation of fans, and it still wasn't even 10% as many people as the original fanbase you massive troglodyte.
>Every time a series has pandered TO fans it always fails and the series becomes niche.
No, when a series panders to the audience it captured, it only fails when they make a SHITTIER product than the last more than one time. A slightly inferior game to the latest one isn't going to make people leave, but 2-4 worse games in the row, will.
Then trying to p[ander to another audience that is playing GTA or GoW or some other shit doesn't mean making your character into a deritiive of that game will magically make it good. It's just going to split the fanbase you already fricking HAD
Being niche is NOT bad, it's MANDITORY to keep a successful series. If you're making Mario games, you don't make CoD games with Mario modded on top of it. If you want Sonic games, the last thing I should get from playing S3K is FF10.
If you sell something, you KEEP selling that something, not something else. Game companies shouldn't be selling gas or cars, they should be selling GAMES.
Yeah of course. Which is why Mario has almost always been nothing but a 2D sidescroller series. Oh wait.
Are you saying that fan interpretation should have more power over authorial intent?
Why are you pretending to be moronic for this long? Both 2D Mario and 3D Mario are platformers, 3D Mario isn't a RPG that tried to pander to the Final Fantasy audience. Instead, they made a SPINOFF side game that DID pander to that kind of audience, and made a SIDE Mario series to the original Mario games to keep from replacing the OG Mario format. Unlike Sonic did, which just replaced OG fans for non Jap fans and it didn't even fricking work, it only made Nintendrónes and weebcucks take over and taint the IP for good.
>Mario doesn't have RPGs
>Mario doesn't have party games
You have to be moronic.
Holy shit Black person READ my fricking posts. Stop replying after skimming over one sentence
>I don't care
Why are you arguing with me then?
>Just because you like it doesn't mean i should
Nobody said this.
>It has always come across as cringe as frick to me
That's your own opinion. An opinion by the way that is pretty ahistorical and against most art in general.
Tezka would've probably loved Sonic if he had lived longer. In fact it's practically almost a pointless suggestion since he loved doing sci-fi and batshit insane stuff with loose comedy which is basically all Sonic is.
They should've gone with top left. Thoughts?
Bottom Left would've fricking KILLED us Sonicbros.
It ironically looks like just a edgier version of pre redesign movie Sonic.
Why do you homosexuals want edgy lameness?
>implies that old Sonic was wholesome
The entire point of Sonic's marketing from the start was to make him "cool" and in your face. Shit thread.
Old Sonic is cool, but he's cool more because there's this quiet kind of confidence about him. It's the difference between someone who just is cool, and someone who's trying to be cool. If you don't understand the difference, then you are the second kind of person.
Johnny Cash, Clint Eastwood, Popeye the Sailor man, David Lynch - cool
Gene Simmonds, Vanilla Ice, Yo-Yogi, Seth Rogan - gay
The only smart poster in this entire thread so far
Pretty much. It's partly why most people don't view SA1-onward Sonic as being legitimately "cool", because the devs decided to make the character (along with everyone else) a chatterbox, whose character is defined more through mediocre dialogue instead of actions and demeanor.
If they cut around 60-70% of the Sonic's dialogue (note: not make him mute) in the 3D games, he'd easily come off as a much cooler character, with no additional effort needed on the devs' part.
Yet another smart poster ITT. Sublty is completely lost in the zoomer generation that cannot have things said without actually being said. Everything MUST be spelled out to them in the most loud, obnoxious, in your face way possible, because that's what they believe was how life always used to be until autism took over.
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I don't mind corny shit talking Sonic and I like the SA games but even I have to admit that the coolest moment in those games was all due to presentation, music and camera work with zero dialogue.
This. Even Mario can be cool with his over the top enthusiasm in the way he acts rather than spout terrible jokes or some motivational speech he once read off of a fortune cookie. Nintendo also doens't have a problem with giving him some levity with his pantomimes or physical comedy. Not that Sonic shouldn't ever talk or anything but just because he can talk doesn't mean he has to at every possible chance.
This reminds me of the Square/Squeenix stuff, such as most Final Fantasies starting with 7. A lot of Square Enix games come across to me as the second option, often trying way too hard to look cool to the point it looks pathetic
I think you mean starting with 8, as Cloud trying too hard to be cool is literally the point of his character because for most of FF7, Cloud isn't ACTUALLY Cloud. It's only when he cuts it out and Tifa unfricks his brain that he gets his real self back and is free to be his naturally dorky self while still being naturally cool as well. Plus, Cloud alway does cool looking shit. It's just that until that moment, he says a lot of stupid shit cause he think it makes him badass when the others just want him to stop. Then you have Squall who is actually just an butthole.
Dante!Sonic poster here. This is exactly my point.
True coolness comes from effortlessness. From timing your comedic bits and knowing when to let your laidback nature speak for you rather than the mountains of dialogue and "WhooOOOAAAA"s. Modern Sonic just talks too damn much and Sonic Team is so focused on making him look like he's "in on the joke" that he seems like he's always begging the player for validation - Uncool.
Sonic going up against Eggman and having a one-liner or two, even if they're cheesy, is fine. But what would make them come off as particularly cutting or witty is if they let Eggman do all the talking so that Sonic can hit two good beats and come out on top. THAT'S cool.
Reminder to play this fangame. Better than any 3D Sonic game since SA2
Why bother? All Classic games and fangames are the same boring schlock and still inferior to 3K. Just like Mania.
When will fangame guzzling classictrannies let go of their headcanon idea of Sonic that never existed? Some of these complete non-fans unironically think Generations making classic Sonic mute was a good thing when he was literally never mute
Nobody thinks that except moronic boomers. Most fans of the classic games love stuff like the OVA where Sonic talks.
No, generations is stupid too, because it's trying to make classic Sonic work as some kind of cute buddy to modern Sonic, which isn't who he is. He's Sonic.
It doesn't really matter if you have a particular version of Sonic that doesn't talk, if you're still going to fill the game with talky cutscenes, where classic Sonic has to sit there miming. Just don't have the cutscenes, or make them brief and snappy like they actually are in the old games.
Adventure Sonic didnt look like the artwork on the box. He still looked like classic Sonic, only a little older. An early teen vs Adventure 2 being in his late teens.
Adventure 1 is favorite.
Any love for Sonic the Fighters character style? It's my favorite of the 3D games.
They're pretty good. Might be my favorite 3D version as well.
They are unfiltered soul and I wish we got a real 3D game with these kind of polygon models.
I like the animation and expressions.
>grabs her by the pussy
Please play the games you want to talk about.
Left is a model posing for a photo.
Right is actually fricking skiing.
moron
Left threw a rock so hard he made a robot explode
Right had sex so good it brought him back to life.
Why is SA2 so shit? Despite the roughness, SA1 actually feels like a good attempt at classic Sonic in 3D. SA2 feels like proto-boostshit made by a different dev.
Are you moronic? It's literally using a refined version of SA1's physics and SA1 is the game with a pseudo boostshit spamdash
The thing that's worse in SA2 than SA1 isn't the physics, but the level design. SA1 had a bunch of parts that encouraged spindashing off terrain for air or to cross gaps. In SA2, the spindash is used more purely for speed than utility.
Eh, SA2 has a lot of little shortcuts and side paths and secrets. Not nearly as many intended ones as SA2 I grant you, but I play both as speed games and otherwise boring levels like Pyramid Cave become whacky fun like webm related if you have autism
I agree
People hate Modern Sonic because he channels the sigma male schemas of non conformity and non complacency in his fluid poses and physiology, compared to the safer and more submissive Class Sonic. He is the true Sonic in the regard, for he represents the very fundamental axioms of his character rather than being a soulless, safe mascot. Modern culture hates masculinity and hates the Jesus rebellion corner of the cubic ontological alliance grid, so it would be no surprise that they would demonize modern sonic and seek to feminize and destroy his power. The masculine shonen sigma male stories with deep thematic frequencies and characterization replaced with post-ironic fetishism by Arin Hanjob and the Reddit crew. Classic worshippers are pedophiles, this is true. They want to silence Sonic much like how they want to silence those that speak up against the Covid 19 Population Control Gene Therapy Agenda, and they will bully and label anyone who expressed their soulsong genuinely and made everyone into jaded slaves of the dark Klaus Schwabian Neo Serpentine Control Grid.
Sega pandered more than enough for your kind.
>Sega pandered more than enough for your kind.
Apparently not since they were too moronic to greenlight Mania 2 after the huge success the first was and fricked up the Origins collection so badly.
So currently, westerners are trying to save the Sonic franchise and the japs keep trying to kill it with their idiotic decisions.
>People hate Modern Sonic because he channels the sigma male schemas of non conformity and non complacency in his fluid poses and physiology, compared to the safer and more submissive Class Sonic. He is the true Sonic in the regard, for he represents the very fundamental axioms of his character rather than being a soulless, safe mascot. Modern culture hates masculinity and hates the Jesus rebellion corner of the cubic ontological alliance grid, so it would be no surprise that they would demonize modern sonic and seek to feminize and destroy his power. The masculine shonen sigma male stories with deep thematic frequencies and characterization replaced with post-ironic fetishism by Arin Hanjob and the Reddit crew. Classic worshippers are pedophiles, this is true. They want to silence Sonic much like how they want to silence those that speak up against the Covid 19 Population Control Gene Therapy Agenda, and they will bully and label anyone who expressed their soulsong genuinely and made everyone into jaded slaves of the dark Klaus Schwabian Neo Serpentine Control Grid.
>WhoAoOoA there dudesters smell ya later catch ya on the flip side duuuuude who else hates grown ups amirite!?
>Western marketing
>People hate Modern Sonic because he channels the sigma male schemas of non conformity and non complacency in his fluid poses and physiology, compared to the safer and more submissive Class Sonic. He is the true Sonic in the regard, for he represents the very fundamental axioms of his character rather than being a soulless, safe mascot. Modern culture hates masculinity and hates the Jesus rebellion corner of the cubic ontological alliance grid, so it would be no surprise that they would demonize modern sonic and seek to feminize and destroy his power. The masculine shonen sigma male stories with deep thematic frequencies and characterization replaced with post-ironic fetishism by Arin Hanjob and the Reddit crew. Classic worshippers are pedophiles, this is true. They want to silence Sonic much like how they want to silence those that speak up against the Covid 19 Population Control Gene Therapy Agenda, and they will bully and label anyone who expressed their soulsong genuinely and made everyone into jaded slaves of the dark Klaus Schwabian Neo Serpentine Control Grid.
>People hate Modern Sonic because he channels the sigma male schemas of non conformity and non complacency in his fluid poses and physiology, compared to the safer and more submissive Class Sonic. He is the true Sonic in the regard, for he represents the very fundamental axioms of his character rather than being a soulless, safe mascot. Modern culture hates masculinity and hates the Jesus rebellion corner of the cubic ontological alliance grid, so it would be no surprise that they would demonize modern sonic and seek to feminize and destroy his power. The masculine shonen sigma male stories with deep thematic frequencies and characterization replaced with post-ironic fetishism by Arin Hanjob and the Reddit crew. Classic worshippers are pedophiles, this is true. They want to silence Sonic much like how they want to silence those that speak up against the Covid 19 Population Control Gene Therapy Agenda, and they will bully and label anyone who expressed their soulsong genuinely and made everyone into jaded slaves of the dark Klaus Schwabian Neo Serpentine Control Grid.
FRICK YOU b***h TAILS IS THE WORST SONIC CHARACTER AND IS EXACTLY THE REDDIT SIMP BETA MALE homosexual THAT YOU ARE FRICK YOU DIE b***h DIE YOURE GOING STRAIGHT TO HAITI BICH BECAUSE FRICK YOU
I knew you were the Tails schizo, I could literally smell it.
You're seething because of my SALIENT takes and it's funny you're AUTISTIC enough to follow a random anon on threads, go back to being deepthroated by reddit.
Are you so insane it is hard not to notice, "Oh, it's the Tails schizo again."
And this is a different anon btw, others have noticed what a crazy dramaprostitute you are.
I'm not stirring drama, I'm giving SALIENT takes which destroy the Sonic circlejerk fed to you by literal troons and reddit servents of post ironicism the most dangerous postmodern ideology.
Thoughts on this 3/Mania combination Sonic sprite?
Definitely better than the OG one.
what the frick is that?
sonic looks ugly and tails looks like he survived the vietnam war but wish he hadn't.
knuckles looks okay but he's not in a standard pose so not fully committing to that opinion.
Sonic's "idle" sprites look cooler without the visible mouth.
The Americanization of media where everyone is just sweatily making sarcastic jokes about the source material is, weirdly enough, not super appealing to the people who are watching this because they loved the original. There is just something so distinctly "huhhuhhuh USA USA" about writing something that isn't as smart as it thinks it is, but has to constantly assert that me and you, the audience, we're the clever ones, because we don't buy into all this silly crap. Macho pseudo-intellectual BS
Irony is so boring. Sarcasm is so boring. It is deeply insecure to its core. I don't buy it, give me a thousand hours of shows and movies and books and games that are full-heartedly genuine and silly and loves and believes in itself for it.
>Sonic makes fun of Eggman by calling him silly names
>this is the final straw, Sega...
You people come across as insane with how you hyper fixate on this line in particular. It's not out of character for any incarnation of Sonic.
>Hey look, it's a giant talking egg
>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MAEKAWASMAMA SAVE ME FROM PONTAFFBlack personMAN AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I never left.
*destroys Genesis Sonic level "Design" in your path, indisputably*
No. Classic is boring and 3K is the only good one.
Left has confidence and appeal.
Right is just a shitty mockup.
Why are the male characters in Sonic naked and the female characters clothed?
Sonic CD is my favourite sonic game and nothing will ever top it
Your favorite Sonic game is 3D Blast.
>b-but
No. You love 3D Blast. You played it as a kid and it's been your favorite game since. Nothing will ever top it for you. You replay both versions every day of your life. Now, say it with me: "Sonic 3D Blast is my favorite videogame."
no thanks pham.