due to the massive increase in system resources windows has compared to a lightweight linux system, it is simply not suitable for a portable PC
if you have 16GBs of ram shared between the system and the GPU you can't afford to have 6 of those go into the void because windows decided to start the telemetry scan
also, the set of features that valve has developed for the deck (quick resume, steam cloud sync, in-game TDP controls, etc.) just make it a better user experience
>linux is better because windows hurts muh feefees
freetards everyone
9 months ago
Anonymous
even without all the caveats microsoft is genuinely an OBJECTIVELY evil company and no one should support it
did people already forget about netscape? BeOS? TRON? they stamped these competitors out through immoral and illegal means then replaced them with shittier proprietary alternatives and only got a slap on the wrist every single time
9 months ago
Anonymous
RMS has an early life section
MS is no more evil than anyone else in tech. I only care for the best product, and that happens to be Windows right now
9 months ago
Anonymous
windows is not the best product, it's the most popular product thanks to underhanded business practices, all of it's "virtues" come as a result of being ubiquitous in the consumer space
9 months ago
Anonymous
It has the most games. It is the fastest. It therefor is the best. I don't give a frick how or why it's the best, I care about what it is.
Take your complaints to Ganker, I'm sure they will gladly circlejerk with you
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't give a frick how or why it's the best
of course not, because you are a soulless golem, the very best of useful idiots
as such, you waive your right to give out a technical opinion on anything
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It is the fastest.
does your last name end with -berg
9 months ago
Anonymous
DR-DOS, word perfect, realnetworks media player, charging oems licenses for every computer they made even if the computer in question didn't come with their OS
RMS has an early life section
MS is no more evil than anyone else in tech. I only care for the best product, and that happens to be Windows right now
>RMS who didn't write linux, gets no money from people using linux, has a net worth of 9 millions of a israelite! Bill Gates with his over 100 billions net worth gotten from anticompetitive behavior that'd make israelites blush is fine though
Lobotomized
>he asks, directly as a response to someone who is infact, not sick, of typing like this
our top scientists are working on an answer as we speak, we expect results in roughly 2 weeks
The people who post shit like this invariably don't do anything that actually warrants installing linux (i.e. develop anything). Hence why they construct their entire personal identity around installing a fricking free product on their computer and then go seeking validation online about it.
i now know 20 IRL people who bought a deck. it's not switch numbers, but they've had healthy sales during the last year. im waiting out for the improved model with thermals and hardware, and a possible OLED. Ganker is filled with moronic contrarians who have no IRL friends who play vidya. when i gauge console or game success, i dont look at your losers.
i now know 20 IRL people who bought a deck. it's not switch numbers, but they've had healthy sales during the last year. im waiting out for the improved model with thermals and hardware, and a possible OLED. Ganker is filled with moronic contrarians who have no IRL friends who play vidya. when i gauge console or game success, i dont look at your losers.
Deck was confirmed to have sold 2 million so far, making it more successful than every single other physical tech device they put out thus far.
One is a cellphone, a ubiquitous object that everyone in the developed world carries every single day
The other is a niche category of gaming devices. As far as UMPCs go no other in history has sold more. The Deck has sold more units than ever OQO model, every Pepper Pad, every Atom powered Tablet computer
>UMPC is a trannie cope btw, literally a made up term to differentiate their toy from a 'console', and yet steamies want it both ways.
What sort of dumb homosexual shit is this? Its insane how an alternate reality exists only on Ganker.
UMPCs have been a thing since the 2000s.
the ngage did, because the ngage was a fricking stupid idea
remember that it was supposed to compete with the GAME BOY, meanwhile the deck is competing with devices that only ever sell 5 digit numbers
Ngage was a failure because they overproduced for a market that wasn't there and they were in damage control since the start with claims like this https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nokia-says-n-gage-launch-a-success/1100-6077184/ saying it sold 400k in just 2 weeks, but then getting rebates and sales just a few months after because retail was desperate to clear stock, and with third party reports of it selling only 5k units in the first week in USA https://www.eurogamer.net/news241003n-gagesales and this is on top of spending millions on advertisements and making deals to get games on your platform. That and they also put out a second model that also underperformed
I have not seen confirmation for 2 million, just a lot of people saying it. When I looked, even the 1 million was confirmed through external means of a development partner's keynote, iirc.
the universal bar for "flopped and shitted" BEGINS at 3 million (N-Gage)
valve is a 7.7 BILLION dollar company, this is genuinely fricking pathetic by all metrics
Yeah, it's still staggering to see some hyped up hardware compared to the N-Gage.
Its not about killing the Steam Deck is about tendies hiding behind another portable wishing for steam deck to die, since its the only pc portable that managed to have a presence here
It's not a joke.
Chinkshit thinks it's getting in on the groundfoor of something that won't ever be bigger than niche shit like gpd was already catering toward.
This
Valve makes money anyway. The point of the Steam Deck was simply to create hype and boost the handheld market.
That's also why it's much more worth to buy a gpd win 4 or one of the top end AYANEO rather than the shit deck. buying a steam deck is just eceleb dick sucking
Not if you update to the latest firmware. ASUS was just moronic and put the VRMs right next to the microSD slot and then didn't run the fan fast enough
>We're getting no money from you so instead of just getting no money we'll get no money and also have you waste our bandwidth
That makes zero sense unless they're making money from them by means outside the license
I said TENDIES, not your precious nintendo
No, Deck is here to stay. Get the frick over it.
Its not about killing the steam deck is about tendies hiding behind another portable wishing for steam deck to die, since its the only pc portable that managed to have a presence here
>OP has nothing to do with Nintendo >schizos still bring them up
Why are you homosexuals so obsessed with Nintendo? At this point you make the snoys obsession with Nintendo look like a crush.
Console War shitposters can only think in terms of competing brands pitted against one another, they literally can't participate in a discussion otherwise.
A big battery makes all the difference. AokZoe has 65Wh battery and I play my games at 20W and still get better battery than Deck with 80% performance uplift.
Not the current iteration that already has a huge stranglehold and marketing campaign, but it does mark the beginning of the end for consoles.
But sadly consolepleb tier stupidity will never go away so console cancer will simply change into some other cancer that morons get behind.
Yeah, no the Deck is a great machine but it is not ready for the common consumer, incompatibility issues, bugs, and no way of really knowing if the game will actually run the way you want, even if verified.
Games crash often, storage problems, it needs more work.
>Not the current iteration >mark the beginning of the end
Also my brother is a huge normalgay and he fricking loves his. He doesn't even touch desktop mode and that's kind of the whole point of why the deck is as big as it is over these other UMPCs. The deck is easy enough for them to get into.
Yes, for a PC, but for the console market it is not ready, and those bugs can't be squashed by throwing more power at them. Those problems stem from its best feature, being open, it simply cannot take the place of any console, it is too complex.
The steam overlay makes it super easy and it is only going to get better, nearly everything just works, very few need minor tweaks and I've yet to experience anything that outright doesn't run. The first iteration not being ready isn't the point, it's what it means for the future. Valve has thrown their hat into the ring, the only thing keeping sales where they are is they're not marketing it at all, they're not putting it into any retailers, and they currently can't even make enough of them despite that. It's going to be interesting to see where it goes from here.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>not putting them on retailers
Wrong, it's not on retailers where it is available on Steam, other places you can get them off the shelf.
And hopefully you are right, this thing is fantastic already.
to reach switch levels of success, they will have to fund someone to create exclusive titles that people would want to play
switch gained popularity because of botw, and eventually mario odyssey, smash, and splatoon 2
what is the use of these overpowered consoles if they dont have anything to play besides stuff that can already be played on many other devices?
In the short term, frick no, nothing's getting close. I think it's eventually going to be significant enough that a lot of PC development/porting is going to be done with them in mind and might eventually become the first thing some babby thinks of as "PC gaming".
I don't see it ever happening.
Tendo has cultivated a rabid fanbase over like 25 years that are relevant to purchasing power, got plenty of first party exclusives, offers a product aimed at braindead normalgays, aims at kids which hurts the parental purse that much more, and has an xboxhueg marketing budget.
Meanwhile Volvo offers a good umpc aimed at enthusiasts with basically no fanfare whatsoever.
Not that any of that has an impact on the lifecycle of the deck tho, it lives and dies by the hardware performance, and we are ways off from average new vidya not running on it. Ofc troons dream of it dying because of no hw sales, but that's as likely as a troony passing.
only a little more than a steamdeck after you make all the mandatory mods like 2TB internal, shell replacement, HD screen upgrade, driftless joysticks, windows license
I think they need to stop advertising these as alternatives to desktops as it's clear they are trying to go for Gaming Laptop's jugular altogether in terms of unreasonable prices for middling performance.
You didn't even need to bother with the overlap, the shill in the video straight up shows how fricked up it would be trying to use them during gaming. Everywhere else in the video he just doesn't use them at all whatsoever.
keeps things interesting to review how terrible they are compared to the deck until finally a good one comes out. imo this kun one was the closest until you find out you need extra thumbs to use the trackpads
It's so weird that this place got overrun by black people, what pushes someone to come to a place that actively try to take you down and make you feel bad.
More power to you I guess
Why are you so fragile? I thought you said you could just stop anytime? Why are you crying about it? I didn't even try to insult you, it just seems weird to me that you willingly come to the most racist place on the internet.
Attention whoring is a hell of a drug
9 months ago
Anonymous
why do you give a shit homosexual? Just filter, sage and ignore.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the most racist place on the internet
We already know /misc/ is mostly browns LARPing as whites. This has been common knowledge for a while
9 months ago
Anonymous
OK, so? It's still racism
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, from browns
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you need to make a difference then it matters to You, blacks are such a weird thing, they want to be their own race but also want to be left alone, but they also want to be coddled and always play victim.
I'd be embarrassed tbh
Key takeaways from all recent handhelds:
Trackpads are a must for people who actually understand their utility, but most people still don't know how they can be used
Most PC users still don't even know the extent of customization that Steam's controller API allows
Back buttons are one of the biggest game changers for customization
Hardware is pretty good for 95% of games, but that last 5% includes some of the newest titles that massive swaths of normies want to play
The next generation of APUs should be a real performance uplift vs what we have on the market now
FOSS is capitalism is it's purest form, it gives everyone the freedom to do whatever they want as long as they do not infringe on the freedom of another
Windows is unironically superior to SteamOS. On Windows, everything just works. So long as your handheld has some functional shortcut buttons, W11, beats SteamOS.
Just the act of pirating a game is a hassle on SteamOS. On W11, it just werks.
>dude, just install your game on PC, then transfer files to SD, then add game to Steam and then hope Proton doesn't frick you in the ass
oh shit Black person what the frick are you doing
are you legitimately sub 80 IQ or just a windows marketer?
The Steam Deck chip is hopelessly outdated and cheap now. The 7840u @ 20W shits the everliving frick out of Deck. Like 80% performance gain WITHOUT proper drivers. This difference should be even more substantial once good drivers drop.
Which further stresses the need for Valve to actually revise their hardware. They should've quickly adopted the 7840u. It's a marvelous chip and at 20W, absolutely demolishes games at 800p. Put on a big battery, some good fans on that and you have a generation worth of upgrades from the OG SD.
Probably not worth the time and money when Strix Point next year is going to make Phoenix look like a joke.
A 50% perf uplift in some areas is massive when looking at benchmarks, but in reality, in game performance might not translate that to the player in a meaningful way. 30fps at low settings vs 45fps at low settings isn't exactly groundbreaking. In a lot of cases when power constrained the difference between Van Gogh at 15w and Phoenix Point at 15w isn't even that high.
Strix has new GPU IP, Zen5 CPU cores which is a brand new arch family, its on a new process node as well.
Strix is RDNA3.5, arch and cache changes vs RDNA3. More CU in every SKU at every power level Zen5 is about 25% faster per clock compared to Zen4 as well.
Phoenix Point was a paltry uplift over Rembrandt. Strix Point is a huge uplift over Phoenix Point.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Game benchmarks or bust
9 months ago
Anonymous
>specint
Games want cache and branch predictor >RDNA3.5 >more CU
doesn't matter until the bandwidth problem is solved. 12CU and 100CU are still going to have the same performance when you only have 100GB/s of memory bandwidth and no L3$ to assist
9 months ago
Anonymous
Memory bandwidth isn't the issue, its power limit
Bytes per flop a 14-20CU RDNA3.5 IGP with LPDDR5 7500 is still comparable to many discrete GPUs.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The Series S has a GPU with similar compute ability to the 680M and comes with over 2x the memory bandwidth. 100GB/s is not nearly enough for the 780M or 785M
Or go look at 3DMark scores, where 6800Us with faster RAM beat 6900HXes and HSes with higher power limits but shitty RAM
9 months ago
Anonymous
The Xbox Series X has 0.046 bytes per FLOP, the Deck's IGP 0.054.
The issue literally is not bandwidth, it is power limit, because these mobile parts aren't capable of sustaining their peak throughput under heavy load, power balancing cuts clocks way down.
I know more about this than you do. Don't try to bluff your way through an argument.
9 months ago
Anonymous
And the Series X (and S, and PS5) still doesn't have enough memory bandwidth at times. >I know more about this than you do. Don't try to bluff your way through an argument.
I own a 6900HX and have tested it at various power levels and it doesn't make a difference because there isn't enough memory bandwidth to keep the thing fed. There's a reason every GPU maker is putting big caches in their architectures.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I own a 6900HX and have tested it at various power levels and it doesn't make a difference because there isn't enough memory bandwidth to keep the thing fed.
What a laughably stupid and empty statement. Why did you even bother typing this out?
512 ALUs at 1.6ghz is 1.64TFLOPS. 128bit PHY with 5500MT/s memory is 88GB/s. Thats 0.054 bytes per FLOP. Does that GPU clock stay at 1.6ghz? No, no it doesn't. It isn't a fixed clock rate, it varies based on load. Power and thermal margins are shared with CPU, and when the CPU cores are loaded it can easily drop down to 1ghz. Thats now nearly 0.086 bytes per FLOP. This utterly destroys the 6900 XTX which at reference config only has 0.02 bytes per FLOP.
Does the 6900 XTX perform worse than Van Gogh's IGP? No. No it doesn't, you nonwhite moron.
Owning a product doesn't mean you understand anything about it. I own a Porsche, that doesn't mean I'm a race car designer.
9 months ago
Anonymous
XT*
9 months ago
Anonymous
I own the thing AND TESTED IT you fricking illiterate chimp. My time spy scores do not budge whether I give it 35W, 45W or 55W+ PBO. It's well documented that AMD's APUs scale extremely well with memory bandwidth and extremely poorly with power.
Please spare everyone your moronation and shut the frick up
9 months ago
Anonymous
Just writing moronic lies and bluffing through your teeth isn't something a smart person does.
APUs aren't magic, they do not scale any different from discrete GPUs from the same arch family. The RX6400 discrete GPU and Rembrandt APU family both share RDNA2 arch. They have the same number of CU, same ROPs as well. The RX 6400 however has more memory bandwidth, it also has the benefit of a 54w TDP all to itself not shared by anything. It performs across the board ahead of Rembrandt's IGP, and its not because of the memory bandwidth, it simply can sustain higher clocks in every scenario. If you lower the power limit it will perform on par with Rembrandt's IGP at the same power level within single digit percentages.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>If you lower the power limit it will perform on par with Rembrandt's IGP at the same power level within single digit percentages.
Source? I always wanted to see tests of 6400 constrained to TDP/clocks of iGPU but couldn't find it
9 months ago
Anonymous
There was a thread on OCN comparing figures from Computerbase.de and a couple other sites when the 6400 officially launched. Everyone immediately made the comparison because APUs always attract spergs and poorgays.
Computerbase.de was the reference for the Rembrandt numbers in a ASUS Zephyrus G14 with 6900HS.
I don't feel like logging in and digging through my post history to find it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>3.5 naming because it's a pseudo upgrade >still LPDDR5
Valve missed the boat on the awesome Phoenix APUs.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What are you trying to imply there? LPDDR5 is the fastest low power memory standard on the market.
There is no other solution to provide high bandwidth to an IGP while consuming only a couple watts of power bar HBM which requires an expensive interposer on the package and the IC has to be purpose designed with a high density HBM PHY.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm saying memory bandwidth is the biggest choke point now and Strix does not adress that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Thats cool, but you're totally wrong for very obvious reasons already posted.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What node will Strix be on? Phoenix is already at 4nm which is a huge difference to the 7nm Van Gogh.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Strix Point is a N3 TSMC part at least for the mainstream die. Big departure from N4 which is just N5 with some performance boosters and no real change in area scaling. Its a full node shrink.
Phoenix vs Van Gogh has twice the GPU cores competing for the same power budget. Its actually pretty impressive that Phoenix manages better performance within the same envelope.
9 months ago
Anonymous
CPU cores*
9 months ago
Anonymous
We'll see in a year and a half. Meanwhile I'll keep enjoy my 7840u device.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>year and a half
Strix gets debuted at CES in January
9 months ago
Anonymous
Earliest retail will be minimum a year from now. Adoption is not instant. There are still no drivers for 7840u since it's so new, despite premiering at CES.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>There are still no drivers for 7840u
LMAO who told you this? What sort of moron shit is going on in your head. There are millions of laptops in the wild powered by Phoenix Point APUs. The last few Adrenaline releases have game specific tweaks for them, the Phoenix family has been supported in drivers since last year.
ASUS having shitty OEM firmware for the ROG Ally does not mean AMD is lacking driver support on their end for the chip.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The 7840u just now got its first official drivers and they're so bad the recommendation is to remain on preview drivers.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The 7840U is just an ultra mobile TDP SKU of Phoenix Point. It isn't some unique bespoke part.
15W is the default TDP for both Ally and Deck and both have the same 40Whr battery. Chink handhelds have even larger batteries than both. The Deck's chip is simply out of date compared to the 7840U
Why do they keep shipping this shit with Windows? Do they never learn? There is reason why most gaming devices are either using a Unix-based system or something else specifically tailored to the device.
Windows fricking sucks for console gaming and even more so for handhelds. Even XBOX isn't running on Windows but a specifically made system software with the current version being based on a very debloated and optimized Windows 8 core.
Why are you using it while fricking MS refuses to use it?
Shipping a linux distro would place the burden of support on their hands and chinkhelds drop out support and shit out new models faster than a homie leaves his son
Didn't they already make a handheld a few months ago? Did they drop that already?
Weird how people treat the Steamdeck like some kind of innovation
The Switch and 3DS are using a UNIX-based OS
Playstation 3,4,5 are using a UNIX-based OS
Everyone has been doing this for many years. Windows was never designed for anything but desktop PCs. Only with Windows 8 did MS try to turn Windows into a OS that can be used on many different devices - mostly tablets though - but that experiment failed.
The handheld pictured there is the one they canceled. It's called the Legion Play and it's a streaming handheld. We're all hoping it looks more like the Legion Play rather than the handheld pc they seemingly abandoned a couple years ago. Pic related is that thing.
Weird how people treat the Steamdeck like some kind of innovation
The Switch and 3DS are using a UNIX-based OS
Playstation 3,4,5 are using a UNIX-based OS
Everyone has been doing this for many years. Windows was never designed for anything but desktop PCs. Only with Windows 8 did MS try to turn Windows into a OS that can be used on many different devices - mostly tablets though - but that experiment failed.
>The Switch and 3DS are using a UNIX-based OS >Playstation 3,4,5 are using a UNIX-based OS
???
How are you missing the point this hard. Those are also closed, gimped systems, innately drm to prevent users from having any real control, so who gives a shit what OS they're using.
Not even remotely comparable. Consoles are locked down walled gardens that are purposefully designed to hide the OS from you.
The Deck certainly isn't unique because UMPCs have been a thing for quite a long time, with Windows and Linux both. Its unique because its the first such device to be well supported by a very large company. All prior UMPCs were one off devices with incredibly spotty support mostly from fly by night startups nobody had ever heard of before.
It doesn't matter if its walled-off or not. The thing is that nobody is using Windows for gaming devices. Not even Microsoft is using Windows for XBOX.
Its all about power consumption.
Most people don't really understand just how constrained mobile hardware is. The highest performing APU right now is the 7940HS, 35w TDP, nominally the chip underload will stay under 35 watts power consumption. If the OEM configures their system the right way and ticks the right firmware checkbox these chips will turbo and allow themselves to pull just a bit over 70w for brief periods. This is a common behavior in the laptop market. Even a ton of cellphone chips do this, consuming up to 10 or 12w for brief periods, averaging 4 to 6w average load when the CPU and GPU are both taxed.
Do you want high performance in a mobile device? It costs power, and that means absurdly low battery life. We're going to need a few more node shrinks to deliver this sort of performance within sane power limits.
Saying that implies the average anon on Ganker has more than two brain cells to use. Most of them are losing IQ from constantly browsing twitter or other social media.
these aren't even good portable consoles. pretty sure that nintendo has the joycon idea patented so these all have the controller bolted-on with no way to slide the sides off, making them very bulky. i have a steam deck and its OK but i don't really like playing it in "public" tbh, there are better systems for pocket gaming. its OK on vacations or trips out, filling the same use-case as a laptop, and I can draw with it, but I still feel a bit mid about it.
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Saying that implies the average anon on Ganker has more than two brain cells to use. Most of them are losing IQ from constantly browsing twitter or other social media.
you can stop responding to yourself, it's far too obvious
the /misc/ racism larp was getting more traction for the thread anyway
>can hold it in your hands >easily fits inside any small backpack or messenger bag >not portable
Why do you autists just think that portable means fits in a pocket? The Nintendo DS doesn't actually fit in a pocket, not without you looking like a fricking sperg. Most commercially successful handhelds in history weren't actually pocket sized. The OG Gameboy Pocket BARELY fit in the rear pocket on a pair of adult jeans, and having something that thick stuff into your pants was never comfortable or seemly, which is a crucial element that autists never grasp.
Bro most of these chinks can barely manufacture 10k units of these handhelds. They're completely irrelevant outside of shilltubers pretending they matter in the grand scheme of things.
At least the NOG ALLY was actually produced at a semi-decent rate even if ASUS completely dropped the ball.
my one and only issue with the steam deck is the battery reading capacitor. shit never stays at 100%, and even after properly re-calibrating it the device will jump from 100% battery health to something fricking stupid like 87%. I don't plan on RMAing, and will more than likely just replace the battery to see if it's the battery, or capacitor since it's pretty difficult to discern between the two, but I am more than adamant that it's the actual firmware causing this issue since it's such a wide-spread issue, and because I don't actually have issues keeping a charge, or charging quickly. shit actually pisses me off so god damn bad, because of my OCD.
Try this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/v15he1/psa_if_your_deck_is_draining_from_full_to_0/
Unfortunately I got the same problem too.
Another guy suggested doing the 3rd point 2 more times to be safe.
I actually did this over the course of 3 days of repeated attempts making sure it fully drained in the bios, and even waited in front of my steam deck until it fully turned off on the bios quickly plugging it in so it wouldn't automatically turn off after more than a dozen attempts at trying to get it to fully drain, and not automatically start when plugging it in, and today it DID show at 100% battery health, and as soon as I restarted it the device went back to like 87%. I am pretty adamant about it being a firmware issue, before it's a legit hardware issue, but I have already saved the cash needed to get a new battery, and ifixit tools needed to replace it. The issue isn't the charge, or anything(rarely it doesn't charge correctly), but it has been frustrating, and it's my only legit issue with the device. I otherwise love it, and want to extend the longevity of my device as much as possible. It could even be something as stupid as Valve using a cheapo battery reading capacitor, but it's more than likely the firmware.
I also think it's a firmware issue for me too since discharging the battery took a lot, if it was a faulty battery it would've been ran out sooner.
Still hoping SteamOS 3.5 will change this since it's taking a lot to come out.
>time and again changs make a "Steam Deck "killer" >time and again they fail >even big company like ASUS failed
I'm surprised there's no compilation called "the graveyard of Steam Deck Killers" yet
its irrelevant, anyways. valve WANTS a steam deck killer to come along so they can stop making steam decks with their own money. whats a steam deck killer going to have on it? well, steam. a direct connection to valves bank account with your credit card details saved. every steam deck could blow up tommorow and they wouldnt give a frick, theres 12 different companies pumping out devices on their own R&D budgets, using their own money, advertising it own their own dime
and every single one of them promotes "steam compatible". its practically the first thing every company mentions.
gotta disagree on that. not even the anon you're replying to. if they didn't give a shit about selling their devices they wouldn't be selling refurbished decks. I haven't ever seen that from a company like sony, or xbox, and if it's a thing outside of retail then I'm actually going to be really surprised, but the truth is Valve inexplicably struck lightning in a bottle whether they intended to, or not, and I don't think they're going to waste the opportunity of growing capital through these devices. they definitely want competition though since everything else for the next couple years will be inferior, and an affirmation as to why you should go with a deck, before an aya product, asus product, or whatever the frick is even in the OP with its shit ergonomics. my only actual complaint about the deck is the battery capacitor, firmware, or literally the battery. battery health is fricking stupid on this device.
to save you some time
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/consoles/xbox-series-x/refurbished
https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/factory-recertified
damn that's wild, but it just aligns with the idea that Valve is taking their console as seriously as Sony, and Xbox. didn't know Sony, and Xbox sold refurbished.
I also think it's a firmware issue for me too since discharging the battery took a lot, if it was a faulty battery it would've been ran out sooner.
Still hoping SteamOS 3.5 will change this since it's taking a lot to come out.
Yeah it has to be. Literally nothing has changed with charging, or charge times, and yet it shows a lower battery health % so I'm pretty sure with the next update it will unfrick itself, but still it SHREKS my OCD hard.
they are only taking it seriously because no actual steam deck killer has arrived. the steam deck sells at a loss, they make their money back on the steam store. not having to sell another steam deck, at a loss, and having other people make steam deck killers on their own dime, then putting the steam store front on it is clearly the best option
9 months ago
Anonymous
>sells at le loss >makes money le back
anon even though my comment is kind assholish lets be kinda realistic here. if they were losing money they'd have dropped it like their alienware PC, or their steamdeck controller. this device is actually useful as a console. I can play F.E.A.R and S.T.A.L.K.E.R on a pseudo-controller that just so happens to be a gaming device, I can work on my device when it comes to work-shit, and I can also just use it to shitpost, and browse YT. Beyond that the ergonomics of the device are excellent, and me, and people like me are continuously finding ways to make things that people thought could only work on WinOS work on SteamOS. Until a literal 1:1 wumao copyright avoiding paralleled copy of a Steam Deck comes out there is no "Steam Killer" actually available on the market. I am saying this as someone who had disposable income, bought one on a whim, and fully had the intention of refunding if it was something that wasn't meeting my expectations. I really love it, and already have saved up to upgrade it both hardware-wise, and cosmetically. I use it more than my desktop at this point, and really see a future where it's my main gaming device. Hell like a year ago I brought it with me to a family meetup to play smash with the kids, and the other adults late at night, and they all loved it. I convinced a few to consider buying one. Don't know if they listened, but they kinda heavily considered it when I was reading degree related pdfs to further education related to my major since some of them are EMTs who are in a truck for most of the time, and the others are firefighters who are constantly traveling, and traveling with a desktop in a suitcase is not optimal. It's also cheap af for an APU based UMPC since most APU PCs run for 500ish, and aren't even portable, but are small enough for travel.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>if they were losing money they'd have dropped it
they arnt. they make it back on the steam store front, i just said that. pretty much all console makers do
9 months ago
Anonymous
bro i am gong to be real with you if they weren't making money off the device they'd drop it. it's as simple as that. they make money off their store-front already. I get you don't like the le device because it's Valve, or whatever, but to purposely play koi is just ignorant. they're definitely making money off of it, or it wouldn't be continuously pushed on their storefront for more than a year. I say this as someone who was heavily skeptical about it, and already owns a desktop.
9 months ago
Anonymous
anon, almost none of the console makers sell their consoles at a profit, its basically industry standard. to quote gabe >"I want to pick this up and say, oh, it all works. It's all fast. It's all... and then price point was secondary and painful. But that was pretty clearly a critical aspect to it," Newell said
he said the price point was painful. what does that mean to you
9 months ago
Anonymous
>anon, almost none of the console makers sell their consoles at a profit,
This is only true at launch. Over time costs come down. The PS3 eventually became profitable even before the first hardware revisions, theres a couple in industry firms that published articles about it. You can still find charts of BOM over time. The PS4 initially sold at a slight loss, and was profitable about 6 months into consumer release. No big player has ever sold hardware at a loss long term.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I paid more for my desktop, and I've been using my steam deck which is significantly cheaper than said desktop, and whatever fixes I need to apply to it overtime is also cheaper than my desktop. I'd say Gabe was probably talking about the initial price, but even then it's actually reasonable compared to most APU based PC's that are prebuilt, or are planned to be built up. They are absolutely making some meager amount of profit off it, or they wouldn't continue to sell it, or remotely have the prospects of selling some kind of spiritual successor is my honest opinion.
Valve didn't make that Alienware system, friendo. Dell did. Alienware is a sub brand of Dell.
I don't believe the Deck is selling at a loss either though, definitely not at this point. Doesn't really have an insane BOM compared to anything else and its been in production for a fricking long time now. Even the $400 model is probably profitable on a per unit basis hardware alone.
Huh didn't know that, but makes sense why they'd drop the alienware desktop they had previously. Definitely believe though that those 64gb models are making money due to the ssd swap that you can do like you said.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Valve didn't make that Alienware system, friendo. Dell did. Alienware is a sub brand of Dell.
I don't believe the Deck is selling at a loss either though, definitely not at this point. Doesn't really have an insane BOM compared to anything else and its been in production for a fricking long time now. Even the $400 model is probably profitable on a per unit basis hardware alone.
>Anyways still waiting for a device where the battery isn't the drizzling shits.
you'll be waiting a long while until a successor to the lithium ion battery happens. not even trying to be a shithead. it is what is is. i wish the steam deck had a slightly higher quality battery too. even tried to find substitutes like the HAL effect joysticks.
I don't get it, have the people who make these devices just never tried using Windows on it? Like putting windows in it is just an afterthought for them after designing the hardware. Windows is simply not functional in this sort of application and it just doesn't work.
Who is insane enough to spend, I don't know, $1000 on a Chinese product made by a Chinese corporation? I saw a review of an ayaneo that was being shilled here the other day, and the guy didn't even finish the review and the screen was already fricked.
>windows
>YAS linux xisters, we'll show those winchuddies!
No, you guys are owning the linuxtards with all those forced updates that break your computer!
due to the massive increase in system resources windows has compared to a lightweight linux system, it is simply not suitable for a portable PC
if you have 16GBs of ram shared between the system and the GPU you can't afford to have 6 of those go into the void because windows decided to start the telemetry scan
also, the set of features that valve has developed for the deck (quick resume, steam cloud sync, in-game TDP controls, etc.) just make it a better user experience
>blah blah blah
Windows has more games. Windows is faster. End of discussion
everything comes with a price
>linux is better because windows hurts muh feefees
freetards everyone
even without all the caveats microsoft is genuinely an OBJECTIVELY evil company and no one should support it
did people already forget about netscape? BeOS? TRON? they stamped these competitors out through immoral and illegal means then replaced them with shittier proprietary alternatives and only got a slap on the wrist every single time
RMS has an early life section
MS is no more evil than anyone else in tech. I only care for the best product, and that happens to be Windows right now
windows is not the best product, it's the most popular product thanks to underhanded business practices, all of it's "virtues" come as a result of being ubiquitous in the consumer space
It has the most games. It is the fastest. It therefor is the best. I don't give a frick how or why it's the best, I care about what it is.
Take your complaints to Ganker, I'm sure they will gladly circlejerk with you
>I don't give a frick how or why it's the best
of course not, because you are a soulless golem, the very best of useful idiots
as such, you waive your right to give out a technical opinion on anything
>It is the fastest.
does your last name end with -berg
DR-DOS, word perfect, realnetworks media player, charging oems licenses for every computer they made even if the computer in question didn't come with their OS
>RMS who didn't write linux, gets no money from people using linux, has a net worth of 9 millions of a israelite! Bill Gates with his over 100 billions net worth gotten from anticompetitive behavior that'd make israelites blush is fine though
Lobotomized
>this random racing game is faster on windows
Whoa that's totally worth gutting the convenience of the deck for
holy shit, the game published by microsoft is faster on windows, god damn, would never have believed it had you not show it
valveBlack person cope is hilarious
you're losing the fight.
do people ever get sick of talking like this
>he asks, directly as a response to someone who is infact, not sick, of typing like this
our top scientists are working on an answer as we speak, we expect results in roughly 2 weeks
YWNBAW
Among other upgrades over the Steam Deck, yes
enjoy your 30 minutes of battery time, gotta have that sweet telemetry running in the background at all times
>He doesn't think Gabe isn't spying on him when Steam is running
>gabe watches what you play, sees your steam achievements, and knows if you're shit at vidya
dont worry about it, the dudes probably just impressed with your degeneracy
thou you should be careful.top right is his knife collection.
>Steam was created just so Gabe could personally compare his own skills vs the entire PC gamer market
you can put windows on the steam deck, if you wanted to gimp the device for whatever reason
The people who post shit like this invariably don't do anything that actually warrants installing linux (i.e. develop anything). Hence why they construct their entire personal identity around installing a fricking free product on their computer and then go seeking validation online about it.
>[device no one will buy] will defeat [device no one bought]
woagh...
i now know 20 IRL people who bought a deck. it's not switch numbers, but they've had healthy sales during the last year. im waiting out for the improved model with thermals and hardware, and a possible OLED. Ganker is filled with moronic contrarians who have no IRL friends who play vidya. when i gauge console or game success, i dont look at your losers.
Deck was confirmed to have sold 2 million so far, making it more successful than every single other physical tech device they put out thus far.
the universal bar for "flopped and shitted" BEGINS at 3 million (N-Gage)
valve is a 7.7 BILLION dollar company, this is genuinely fricking pathetic by all metrics
One is a cellphone, a ubiquitous object that everyone in the developed world carries every single day
The other is a niche category of gaming devices. As far as UMPCs go no other in history has sold more. The Deck has sold more units than ever OQO model, every Pepper Pad, every Atom powered Tablet computer
last time i checked cellphones didn't have physical cartridges exclusively made for them to play videogames
UMPC is a trannie cope btw, literally a made up term to differentiate their toy from a 'console', and yet steamies want it both ways.
not entertaining your stupid fricking delusions, or shitty operating systems.
>UMPC is a trannie cope btw, literally a made up term to differentiate their toy from a 'console', and yet steamies want it both ways.
What sort of dumb homosexual shit is this? Its insane how an alternate reality exists only on Ganker.
UMPCs have been a thing since the 2000s.
the ngage did, because the ngage was a fricking stupid idea
remember that it was supposed to compete with the GAME BOY, meanwhile the deck is competing with devices that only ever sell 5 digit numbers
>counting only raw sales and not units produced vs units sold (aka actual profit)
disingenuous argument
>(aka actual profit)
Steam deck is sold at a loss
Ngage was a failure because they overproduced for a market that wasn't there and they were in damage control since the start with claims like this https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nokia-says-n-gage-launch-a-success/1100-6077184/ saying it sold 400k in just 2 weeks, but then getting rebates and sales just a few months after because retail was desperate to clear stock, and with third party reports of it selling only 5k units in the first week in USA https://www.eurogamer.net/news241003n-gagesales and this is on top of spending millions on advertisements and making deals to get games on your platform. That and they also put out a second model that also underperformed
Steam Deck was reserve-only for 2 years and it's only sold officially in 3-4 countries, moron.
I had to import to get mine
>moron
You do realize you just bolstered his argument, yes?
I have not seen confirmation for 2 million, just a lot of people saying it. When I looked, even the 1 million was confirmed through external means of a development partner's keynote, iirc.
Yeah, it's still staggering to see some hyped up hardware compared to the N-Gage.
"Steam Deck Killers" are literally the point of the Steam Deck. The more PC hardware is out there the more money Valve makes.
Its not about killing the Steam Deck is about tendies hiding behind another portable wishing for steam deck to die, since its the only pc portable that managed to have a presence here
The vast majority of the Steam Deck fanbase is people who only care because they want it to hurt Nintendo
Steam Deck Killers make the mistake of assuming the Steam Deck is alive in the first place.
Not funny.
It's not a joke.
Chinkshit thinks it's getting in on the groundfoor of something that won't ever be bigger than niche shit like gpd was already catering toward.
Sega and Nintendo made handhelds before Valve was a company. You fanboys are nothing but fakes of the copycats.
This
Valve makes money anyway. The point of the Steam Deck was simply to create hype and boost the handheld market.
That's also why it's much more worth to buy a gpd win 4 or one of the top end AYANEO rather than the shit deck. buying a steam deck is just eceleb dick sucking
kys shill
Cum
deck lost + shitted hard
It has trackpads at least but that dpad makes me want to puke
>HUGE SCREEN
>Is only slightly bigger
>That Joystick/Trackpad Placement
>$5000 shit deck
why not just buy a gaming laptop or a gaming PC
stop being poor
NTA but I'm not poor precisely because I don't buy garbage tech.
Kunny
>chink
no thanks I'll stick with my Ally
the GPD Win4 has a nice design tho
The Ally has unironically worse quality control than most chinkhelds. For me, AokZoe is where it's at.
for me it OkieDokie NextNEO
New jak just dropped
get rid of the bun, and this looks like that butthole kid at school you knew, called adrian or tyler
but that's the literally the reddit alien, anon
Not if you update to the latest firmware. ASUS was just moronic and put the VRMs right next to the microSD slot and then didn't run the fan fast enough
So now the fans are in overdrive instead. My chinkheld is cool and quiet all the time.
It's no louder than the Deck
I know because I have both. I need help for responsible financial decisions
Both are too loud IMO
both of these look like something this gay would play
>THE Steam Deck KILLER IS HERE
>starting cost 1k
>gets discontinued 6 months after release
>THE STEAM DECK KILLER IS HERE
>repeat
its gonna cost 2k thoe
After having an Ally for a few weeks now, I won't buy any of these that doesn't have a VRR screen. It's too useful to go back
If the Steam Deck 2 or whatever doesn't have one I'll be massively disappointed
8' display at 1200p is unironically an even bigger upgrade.
I would take a VRR screen over 20 more p's any day of the week
VRR is great but frick playing HQ games with small test on a 7' display.
>harness the power of giving microsoft your money
chinks pirated windows so much that microsoft just made it free in china a long time ago, they get no money from sales
>We're getting no money from you so instead of just getting no money we'll get no money and also have you waste our bandwidth
That makes zero sense unless they're making money from them by means outside the license
Windows is spyware so they make their money that way.
Your mom makes money by blowing me. Who do you think buys your tendies?
>HEY GUYS ITS [STEAM DECK KILLER] #6235
>STEAM DECK IS FINISHED
>2 MORE WEEKS
rinse and repeat
>tendies still expecting deck to die
You're the who bringing up nintendo moron.
I said TENDIES, not your precious nintendo
No, Deck is here to stay. Get the frick over it.
Dumb esl poster
Literally outsold by the wonder swan. Flopped just as hard if not harder than it shitted
a lot of people who post this don't understand that the character at the bottom really was obsessing of the character in the top
>OP has nothing to do with Nintendo
>schizos still bring them up
Why are you homosexuals so obsessed with Nintendo? At this point you make the snoys obsession with Nintendo look like a crush.
You make it too obvious.
Console War shitposters can only think in terms of competing brands pitted against one another, they literally can't participate in a discussion otherwise.
>$2k chinkshit
lel
Where's the Deckard? I want to develop VR and I'm tired of compiling, then installing each time I want to test the mobile version.
>WHERE'S THE 'ICK
Kunt
it has a 75wh battery
it unironically mogs the deck
A big battery makes all the difference. AokZoe has 65Wh battery and I play my games at 20W and still get better battery than Deck with 80% performance uplift.
>from an hour and a half to two hours and a half
Wow
Call me when these shitty handhelds can last for at least 8 hours
>buying a handheld that's 3x the price, dies faster and more restrictions
SHUT THE FRICK UP SAISON MARGARITE!
will any of these ever reach switch levels of success
Steam Deck has barely sold what the Switch sells in a single quarter. So no.
Not the current iteration that already has a huge stranglehold and marketing campaign, but it does mark the beginning of the end for consoles.
But sadly consolepleb tier stupidity will never go away so console cancer will simply change into some other cancer that morons get behind.
Yeah, no the Deck is a great machine but it is not ready for the common consumer, incompatibility issues, bugs, and no way of really knowing if the game will actually run the way you want, even if verified.
Games crash often, storage problems, it needs more work.
>Not the current iteration
>mark the beginning of the end
Also my brother is a huge normalgay and he fricking loves his. He doesn't even touch desktop mode and that's kind of the whole point of why the deck is as big as it is over these other UMPCs. The deck is easy enough for them to get into.
Yes, for a PC, but for the console market it is not ready, and those bugs can't be squashed by throwing more power at them. Those problems stem from its best feature, being open, it simply cannot take the place of any console, it is too complex.
The steam overlay makes it super easy and it is only going to get better, nearly everything just works, very few need minor tweaks and I've yet to experience anything that outright doesn't run. The first iteration not being ready isn't the point, it's what it means for the future. Valve has thrown their hat into the ring, the only thing keeping sales where they are is they're not marketing it at all, they're not putting it into any retailers, and they currently can't even make enough of them despite that. It's going to be interesting to see where it goes from here.
>not putting them on retailers
Wrong, it's not on retailers where it is available on Steam, other places you can get them off the shelf.
And hopefully you are right, this thing is fantastic already.
to reach switch levels of success, they will have to fund someone to create exclusive titles that people would want to play
switch gained popularity because of botw, and eventually mario odyssey, smash, and splatoon 2
what is the use of these overpowered consoles if they dont have anything to play besides stuff that can already be played on many other devices?
In the short term, frick no, nothing's getting close. I think it's eventually going to be significant enough that a lot of PC development/porting is going to be done with them in mind and might eventually become the first thing some babby thinks of as "PC gaming".
I don't see it ever happening.
Tendo has cultivated a rabid fanbase over like 25 years that are relevant to purchasing power, got plenty of first party exclusives, offers a product aimed at braindead normalgays, aims at kids which hurts the parental purse that much more, and has an xboxhueg marketing budget.
Meanwhile Volvo offers a good umpc aimed at enthusiasts with basically no fanfare whatsoever.
Not that any of that has an impact on the lifecycle of the deck tho, it lives and dies by the hardware performance, and we are ways off from average new vidya not running on it. Ofc troons dream of it dying because of no hw sales, but that's as likely as a troony passing.
>$1300
only a little more than a steamdeck after you make all the mandatory mods like 2TB internal, shell replacement, HD screen upgrade, driftless joysticks, windows license
what does mandatory mean in your world?
holy frick i laughed
>chinksect_iq.txt
>1300 Mutt bucks
Jesus Christ that could get you a 2k PC and a steam deck
I think they need to stop advertising these as alternatives to desktops as it's clear they are trying to go for Gaming Laptop's jugular altogether in terms of unreasonable prices for middling performance.
>anime larper troon cringing at anything
>buzzword slop
You have brainworms.
let me just kill this chink shill thread, this has shit ergonomics and you thumb can't even use the touchpads let along the other buttons under them.
You didn't even need to bother with the overlap, the shill in the video straight up shows how fricked up it would be trying to use them during gaming. Everywhere else in the video he just doesn't use them at all whatsoever.
Steam Deck is the perfect handheld. It's cost effective, power efficient, and doesn't give you more than you need.
Plus games get optimized for it. I have fun playing Yakuza like a dragon and Trandur's gate 3 on mine
I was actually surprised just how well games ran on it myself, even Halo runs on it better than it does on the Series S.
In what positions are your hands meant to be to use those trackpads
>hands meant
like this
very comfortable and ergnomically
>Ultima | #BLM
Lol. LMAO. As if we need more evidenceto show dicklets are mentally ill.
look at that unnatural thumb placement, you basically have to let go of the right side to use the touchpad kek.
grip very ergonomically and balanced
many people saying this
Wait, are there actual chink shills here?
no we are real people we just peoples the like good things.
No. You’re a toon who likes wieners and balls
>many people saying this
many people saying this
This clearly never took ergonomics into account, probably settled on this design because it's easier to make a PCB like this.
Same way you hold your snoy controller
THE POWER OF CUM
Are we going to have this thread every time that someone makes a PC handheld thing?
keeps things interesting to review how terrible they are compared to the deck until finally a good one comes out. imo this kun one was the closest until you find out you need extra thumbs to use the trackpads
>Windows
>again
why do these chinks never learn?
>Higher TDP than my laptop
LMAOING @ 30 MINUTES BATTERY LIFE
DELET DIS!!!!!
thats the maximum moron
obviously you'd run it at 20w comfortably as frick where deck can only run 15w and shit the bed in 80 minutes flat
>the chink handheld shill is back at it again
based
arent most of these chinkhelds scams?
>mfw this fricking "portable gaming" meme is wienerblocking people out of efficient iGPU chips.
KUM? The Steam Deck is a native platform for the Steam software. It's literally a gaming PC console. You can't compete against it.
>2 hour battery life
Lol
Lmao even
and despite that it's the best in it's market sector
those chinks need to wake the frick up
Sure thing troon
go look up any competitor
they have worse battery life playing the same games
For me, it's Ayaneo Pocket Air.
shitdecks and shitgoggles are the biggest fricking scam to ever exist.
steamy shitdeck won't run todd's game
every chinktoy dropped this year will
simple as.
All I need is steamdeck
It's so weird that this place got overrun by black people, what pushes someone to come to a place that actively try to take you down and make you feel bad.
More power to you I guess
Because I can shitpost here and you reply while I can just turn the computer off? If you actually think Ganker dictates my daily life you are slow.
This is for shitposting race bait for me nothing more.
I see you are illiterate, no wonder it slips off you.
Go to sleep /misc/
Why are you so fragile? I thought you said you could just stop anytime? Why are you crying about it? I didn't even try to insult you, it just seems weird to me that you willingly come to the most racist place on the internet.
Attention whoring is a hell of a drug
why do you give a shit homosexual? Just filter, sage and ignore.
>the most racist place on the internet
We already know /misc/ is mostly browns LARPing as whites. This has been common knowledge for a while
OK, so? It's still racism
Yeah, from browns
If you need to make a difference then it matters to You, blacks are such a weird thing, they want to be their own race but also want to be left alone, but they also want to be coddled and always play victim.
I'd be embarrassed tbh
you lost chud
"name historical black figure"
>empty
that's actually correct
>amerifats literally have to go to Black person class
You will never be white esl. You can leave too.
>Mutts pretending they are """"""""""""""""""black"""""""""""""""""""""""
never not amusing
AHEM.. N
Key takeaways from all recent handhelds:
Trackpads are a must for people who actually understand their utility, but most people still don't know how they can be used
Most PC users still don't even know the extent of customization that Steam's controller API allows
Back buttons are one of the biggest game changers for customization
Hardware is pretty good for 95% of games, but that last 5% includes some of the newest titles that massive swaths of normies want to play
The next generation of APUs should be a real performance uplift vs what we have on the market now
>ultimate windows handheld
Being the best at something so stupid nobody else wants to touch it doesn't make it good.
>windows
even lenovo working on something similar
hopefully all of these mobile and laptop manufacturers make steam deck competitors
https://gizmodo.com/lenovo-legion-go-steam-deck-competitor-1850696079
>complaining about MS being evil while the GPL is literal code communism
>Millions of servers around the world are using communism, actually
Nice try, tankie
FOSS is capitalism is it's purest form, it gives everyone the freedom to do whatever they want as long as they do not infringe on the freedom of another
>we wuz UMPCs............ thoe!!!
the absolute state
Windows is unironically superior to SteamOS. On Windows, everything just works. So long as your handheld has some functional shortcut buttons, W11, beats SteamOS.
Just the act of pirating a game is a hassle on SteamOS. On W11, it just werks.
>Just the act of pirating a game is a hassle on SteamOS
it's not the fault of the OS that you're tech illiterate
>dude, just install your game on PC, then transfer files to SD, then add game to Steam and then hope Proton doesn't frick you in the ass
On Windows, I hit play and it just works. The people shitting on W11 are the tech illiterates.
>dude, just install your game on PC, then transfer files to SD, then add game to Steam and then hope Proton doesn't frick you in the ass
oh shit Black person what the frick are you doing
are you legitimately sub 80 IQ or just a windows marketer?
Sorry, not gonna learn this alien language when W10 already works. No Proton Black persony either.
The Steam Deck chip is hopelessly outdated and cheap now. The 7840u @ 20W shits the everliving frick out of Deck. Like 80% performance gain WITHOUT proper drivers. This difference should be even more substantial once good drivers drop.
Phoenix Point just launched this year at CES.
Van Gogh is literally from 2019.
Of course Phoenix Point performs better.
Which further stresses the need for Valve to actually revise their hardware. They should've quickly adopted the 7840u. It's a marvelous chip and at 20W, absolutely demolishes games at 800p. Put on a big battery, some good fans on that and you have a generation worth of upgrades from the OG SD.
Probably not worth the time and money when Strix Point next year is going to make Phoenix look like a joke.
A 50% perf uplift in some areas is massive when looking at benchmarks, but in reality, in game performance might not translate that to the player in a meaningful way. 30fps at low settings vs 45fps at low settings isn't exactly groundbreaking. In a lot of cases when power constrained the difference between Van Gogh at 15w and Phoenix Point at 15w isn't even that high.
Strix has new GPU IP, Zen5 CPU cores which is a brand new arch family, its on a new process node as well.
Strix is still RDNA3. Zen5 CPU cores is definitely not going to be the same jump as the Van Gogh cores to the Phoenix cores.
But sure, you can wait in all eternity for better chips.
Strix is RDNA3.5, arch and cache changes vs RDNA3. More CU in every SKU at every power level Zen5 is about 25% faster per clock compared to Zen4 as well.
Phoenix Point was a paltry uplift over Rembrandt. Strix Point is a huge uplift over Phoenix Point.
Game benchmarks or bust
>specint
Games want cache and branch predictor
>RDNA3.5
>more CU
doesn't matter until the bandwidth problem is solved. 12CU and 100CU are still going to have the same performance when you only have 100GB/s of memory bandwidth and no L3$ to assist
Memory bandwidth isn't the issue, its power limit
Bytes per flop a 14-20CU RDNA3.5 IGP with LPDDR5 7500 is still comparable to many discrete GPUs.
The Series S has a GPU with similar compute ability to the 680M and comes with over 2x the memory bandwidth. 100GB/s is not nearly enough for the 780M or 785M
Or go look at 3DMark scores, where 6800Us with faster RAM beat 6900HXes and HSes with higher power limits but shitty RAM
The Xbox Series X has 0.046 bytes per FLOP, the Deck's IGP 0.054.
The issue literally is not bandwidth, it is power limit, because these mobile parts aren't capable of sustaining their peak throughput under heavy load, power balancing cuts clocks way down.
I know more about this than you do. Don't try to bluff your way through an argument.
And the Series X (and S, and PS5) still doesn't have enough memory bandwidth at times.
>I know more about this than you do. Don't try to bluff your way through an argument.
I own a 6900HX and have tested it at various power levels and it doesn't make a difference because there isn't enough memory bandwidth to keep the thing fed. There's a reason every GPU maker is putting big caches in their architectures.
>I own a 6900HX and have tested it at various power levels and it doesn't make a difference because there isn't enough memory bandwidth to keep the thing fed.
What a laughably stupid and empty statement. Why did you even bother typing this out?
512 ALUs at 1.6ghz is 1.64TFLOPS. 128bit PHY with 5500MT/s memory is 88GB/s. Thats 0.054 bytes per FLOP. Does that GPU clock stay at 1.6ghz? No, no it doesn't. It isn't a fixed clock rate, it varies based on load. Power and thermal margins are shared with CPU, and when the CPU cores are loaded it can easily drop down to 1ghz. Thats now nearly 0.086 bytes per FLOP. This utterly destroys the 6900 XTX which at reference config only has 0.02 bytes per FLOP.
Does the 6900 XTX perform worse than Van Gogh's IGP? No. No it doesn't, you nonwhite moron.
Owning a product doesn't mean you understand anything about it. I own a Porsche, that doesn't mean I'm a race car designer.
XT*
I own the thing AND TESTED IT you fricking illiterate chimp. My time spy scores do not budge whether I give it 35W, 45W or 55W+ PBO. It's well documented that AMD's APUs scale extremely well with memory bandwidth and extremely poorly with power.
Please spare everyone your moronation and shut the frick up
Just writing moronic lies and bluffing through your teeth isn't something a smart person does.
APUs aren't magic, they do not scale any different from discrete GPUs from the same arch family. The RX6400 discrete GPU and Rembrandt APU family both share RDNA2 arch. They have the same number of CU, same ROPs as well. The RX 6400 however has more memory bandwidth, it also has the benefit of a 54w TDP all to itself not shared by anything. It performs across the board ahead of Rembrandt's IGP, and its not because of the memory bandwidth, it simply can sustain higher clocks in every scenario. If you lower the power limit it will perform on par with Rembrandt's IGP at the same power level within single digit percentages.
>If you lower the power limit it will perform on par with Rembrandt's IGP at the same power level within single digit percentages.
Source? I always wanted to see tests of 6400 constrained to TDP/clocks of iGPU but couldn't find it
There was a thread on OCN comparing figures from Computerbase.de and a couple other sites when the 6400 officially launched. Everyone immediately made the comparison because APUs always attract spergs and poorgays.
Computerbase.de was the reference for the Rembrandt numbers in a ASUS Zephyrus G14 with 6900HS.
I don't feel like logging in and digging through my post history to find it.
>3.5 naming because it's a pseudo upgrade
>still LPDDR5
Valve missed the boat on the awesome Phoenix APUs.
What are you trying to imply there? LPDDR5 is the fastest low power memory standard on the market.
There is no other solution to provide high bandwidth to an IGP while consuming only a couple watts of power bar HBM which requires an expensive interposer on the package and the IC has to be purpose designed with a high density HBM PHY.
I'm saying memory bandwidth is the biggest choke point now and Strix does not adress that.
Thats cool, but you're totally wrong for very obvious reasons already posted.
What node will Strix be on? Phoenix is already at 4nm which is a huge difference to the 7nm Van Gogh.
Strix Point is a N3 TSMC part at least for the mainstream die. Big departure from N4 which is just N5 with some performance boosters and no real change in area scaling. Its a full node shrink.
Phoenix vs Van Gogh has twice the GPU cores competing for the same power budget. Its actually pretty impressive that Phoenix manages better performance within the same envelope.
CPU cores*
We'll see in a year and a half. Meanwhile I'll keep enjoy my 7840u device.
>year and a half
Strix gets debuted at CES in January
Earliest retail will be minimum a year from now. Adoption is not instant. There are still no drivers for 7840u since it's so new, despite premiering at CES.
>There are still no drivers for 7840u
LMAO who told you this? What sort of moron shit is going on in your head. There are millions of laptops in the wild powered by Phoenix Point APUs. The last few Adrenaline releases have game specific tweaks for them, the Phoenix family has been supported in drivers since last year.
ASUS having shitty OEM firmware for the ROG Ally does not mean AMD is lacking driver support on their end for the chip.
The 7840u just now got its first official drivers and they're so bad the recommendation is to remain on preview drivers.
The 7840U is just an ultra mobile TDP SKU of Phoenix Point. It isn't some unique bespoke part.
Are you implying I care about boring ass AAA games? homie I'm playing nes games
Starfox Adventures, you using emudeck?
>30 minute battery
My chinkheld has a 65Wh battery so at 20W, I get more battery life, quieter fans, cooler CPU than SD at 15W.
This, despite it having a smaller body than Deck too.
15W is the default TDP for both Ally and Deck and both have the same 40Whr battery. Chink handhelds have even larger batteries than both. The Deck's chip is simply out of date compared to the 7840U
This. I play at 20W on my chinkheld and the performance is a generation ahead of Deck. And frick SteamOS.
Source: Trust me bro
i got another one coming
harness the power of DIK the superior premium windows handheld system
will literally B L O W you away!
>quantity produced 500 units
>gem
Why do they keep shipping this shit with Windows? Do they never learn? There is reason why most gaming devices are either using a Unix-based system or something else specifically tailored to the device.
Windows fricking sucks for console gaming and even more so for handhelds. Even XBOX isn't running on Windows but a specifically made system software with the current version being based on a very debloated and optimized Windows 8 core.
Why are you using it while fricking MS refuses to use it?
Shipping a linux distro would place the burden of support on their hands and chinkhelds drop out support and shit out new models faster than a homie leaves his son
>this homosexual again with his shitty touchpad placements
>troonix defenders have shown up in the windows gaming handheld thread
my fricking sides
This handheld pc fad is moronic
>t. 'ecklet
I'm more interested in Lenovo's upcoming handheld. I really just want a bigger battery than the Deck and Ally.
mogged by
Its cool that bigger OEMs are throwing their hats into the ring, hasn't happened since 2006~
>No back buttons
Dead on arrival
*trackpads*
mt
Can you even customize a trackpads without steam?
Didn't they already make a handheld a few months ago? Did they drop that already?
Those aren't open systems so nobody gives a shit.
The handheld pictured there is the one they canceled. It's called the Legion Play and it's a streaming handheld. We're all hoping it looks more like the Legion Play rather than the handheld pc they seemingly abandoned a couple years ago. Pic related is that thing.
I was thinking of Logitech actually https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/cloud-gaming/cloud-handheld-gaming.940-000198.html
Get the
Basically Steam Deck but actually good.
I heard AOKZOE's support is the worst. I like the white and blue aesthetic, tho.
What can it do? Run notepad?
very funny anon
Weird how people treat the Steamdeck like some kind of innovation
The Switch and 3DS are using a UNIX-based OS
Playstation 3,4,5 are using a UNIX-based OS
Everyone has been doing this for many years. Windows was never designed for anything but desktop PCs. Only with Windows 8 did MS try to turn Windows into a OS that can be used on many different devices - mostly tablets though - but that experiment failed.
nintendo invented the UMPC and i'm tired of pretending otherwise
Because I can play all the games I normally play at a desk in the bathtub. I don't play Nintendo shit so I don't care what they're putting out.
>The Switch and 3DS are using a UNIX-based OS
>Playstation 3,4,5 are using a UNIX-based OS
???
How are you missing the point this hard. Those are also closed, gimped systems, innately drm to prevent users from having any real control, so who gives a shit what OS they're using.
The point is that people treated the Steamdeck as something special for not using Windows when its actually the norm for gaming devices.
Not even remotely comparable. Consoles are locked down walled gardens that are purposefully designed to hide the OS from you.
The Deck certainly isn't unique because UMPCs have been a thing for quite a long time, with Windows and Linux both. Its unique because its the first such device to be well supported by a very large company. All prior UMPCs were one off devices with incredibly spotty support mostly from fly by night startups nobody had ever heard of before.
It doesn't matter if its walled-off or not. The thing is that nobody is using Windows for gaming devices. Not even Microsoft is using Windows for XBOX.
Not sure if disingenuous or just dumb as a brick.
>windows
Nah. Windows is the reason I bought a Steam Deck the other day instead of a ROG Ally. Plus track pads.
Frick the Deck I want an handheld that can run Monster Hunter World in high@60fps
I want my peak portable MH experience
>world
you deserve to be miserable the rest of your waking life
I like every single MH game but World is the only one I can't play on a comfy handheld
Is it really that impossible?
Its all about power consumption.
Most people don't really understand just how constrained mobile hardware is. The highest performing APU right now is the 7940HS, 35w TDP, nominally the chip underload will stay under 35 watts power consumption. If the OEM configures their system the right way and ticks the right firmware checkbox these chips will turbo and allow themselves to pull just a bit over 70w for brief periods. This is a common behavior in the laptop market. Even a ton of cellphone chips do this, consuming up to 10 or 12w for brief periods, averaging 4 to 6w average load when the CPU and GPU are both taxed.
Do you want high performance in a mobile device? It costs power, and that means absurdly low battery life. We're going to need a few more node shrinks to deliver this sort of performance within sane power limits.
We all want the impossible
just play on deck? been doing so for a while and runs great on it
Coon
I'm so tired of these threads, is there any way to filter it without filtering every console?
do you guys think valve will make a tinier more portable version of the deck? i would buy that, i think the deck is way too big
i just want a portable console with the power of a ps5 or the latest xbox and a simple design like the switch
>all these "portable PC" consoles
>none has battery life to last more than one hour playing anything made post-2013
Saying that implies the average anon on Ganker has more than two brain cells to use. Most of them are losing IQ from constantly browsing twitter or other social media.
>i just want a portable console with the power of a ps5
these are your fellow anons, anons.
>I'd rather be slow
What is wrong with you?
Why do people buy these stupid handhelds if they never go outside?
these aren't even good portable consoles. pretty sure that nintendo has the joycon idea patented so these all have the controller bolted-on with no way to slide the sides off, making them very bulky. i have a steam deck and its OK but i don't really like playing it in "public" tbh, there are better systems for pocket gaming. its OK on vacations or trips out, filling the same use-case as a laptop, and I can draw with it, but I still feel a bit mid about it.
So I can play games comfy in bed
>Windows again
The software is a huge part of what makes the 'eck good though. Who would want a handheld that can't go to sleep with a game running?
you can stop responding to yourself, it's far too obvious
the /misc/ racism larp was getting more traction for the thread anyway
Chinese or Japanese?
chink here
these cost us next to nothing to make
even if we sell less than 500 units it is a massive profit
you people will buy anything
deck suckers... is we okay?
When did "gaslight" replace "lie"?
they lie about nintendo switch emulation too
>Expected by everyone to cost between 1.5k to 2 grand
The Deck and the Allay are still the only 2 option worth a shit.
>costs a thundo more than a refurb steam deck
no thanks
When was the last time a piece of hardware made Ganker seethe so much
>Harness the power of CUN
UUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH
HANDHELD CONSOLE EROTIC
PORTABILITY EROTIC
It's bigger than the deck which is already not portable. Also the price is definitely like a 1000$ more
>can hold it in your hands
>easily fits inside any small backpack or messenger bag
>not portable
Why do you autists just think that portable means fits in a pocket? The Nintendo DS doesn't actually fit in a pocket, not without you looking like a fricking sperg. Most commercially successful handhelds in history weren't actually pocket sized. The OG Gameboy Pocket BARELY fit in the rear pocket on a pair of adult jeans, and having something that thick stuff into your pants was never comfortable or seemly, which is a crucial element that autists never grasp.
The power of Cum
>NIHAO, WE SEE CONSUMER BUY PRODUCT, WHY NOT WE MAKE PRODUCT THAT IS THE EXACT SAME THING... BUT WORSE
>AHHH CHING SHONG MI MAO!!!
Why are bug people unable to not copy shit and spam it on Ganker
Bro most of these chinks can barely manufacture 10k units of these handhelds. They're completely irrelevant outside of shilltubers pretending they matter in the grand scheme of things.
At least the NOG ALLY was actually produced at a semi-decent rate even if ASUS completely dropped the ball.
the miyoo minis better, honestly. its not the size of a 60s car
The power of KUM?
What does cum taste like? You enjoy it everyday so I figured you’d be a good one to ask. Is it salty?
I don't know actually.
its got a weird texture, you can tell its in there. i mixed it with a diet soft drink, so cant really comment on the taste.
kunputer
my one and only issue with the steam deck is the battery reading capacitor. shit never stays at 100%, and even after properly re-calibrating it the device will jump from 100% battery health to something fricking stupid like 87%. I don't plan on RMAing, and will more than likely just replace the battery to see if it's the battery, or capacitor since it's pretty difficult to discern between the two, but I am more than adamant that it's the actual firmware causing this issue since it's such a wide-spread issue, and because I don't actually have issues keeping a charge, or charging quickly. shit actually pisses me off so god damn bad, because of my OCD.
Try this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/v15he1/psa_if_your_deck_is_draining_from_full_to_0/
Unfortunately I got the same problem too.
Another guy suggested doing the 3rd point 2 more times to be safe.
I actually did this over the course of 3 days of repeated attempts making sure it fully drained in the bios, and even waited in front of my steam deck until it fully turned off on the bios quickly plugging it in so it wouldn't automatically turn off after more than a dozen attempts at trying to get it to fully drain, and not automatically start when plugging it in, and today it DID show at 100% battery health, and as soon as I restarted it the device went back to like 87%. I am pretty adamant about it being a firmware issue, before it's a legit hardware issue, but I have already saved the cash needed to get a new battery, and ifixit tools needed to replace it. The issue isn't the charge, or anything(rarely it doesn't charge correctly), but it has been frustrating, and it's my only legit issue with the device. I otherwise love it, and want to extend the longevity of my device as much as possible. It could even be something as stupid as Valve using a cheapo battery reading capacitor, but it's more than likely the firmware.
I also think it's a firmware issue for me too since discharging the battery took a lot, if it was a faulty battery it would've been ran out sooner.
Still hoping SteamOS 3.5 will change this since it's taking a lot to come out.
>time and again changs make a "Steam Deck "killer"
>time and again they fail
>even big company like ASUS failed
I'm surprised there's no compilation called "the graveyard of Steam Deck Killers" yet
its irrelevant, anyways. valve WANTS a steam deck killer to come along so they can stop making steam decks with their own money. whats a steam deck killer going to have on it? well, steam. a direct connection to valves bank account with your credit card details saved. every steam deck could blow up tommorow and they wouldnt give a frick, theres 12 different companies pumping out devices on their own R&D budgets, using their own money, advertising it own their own dime
and every single one of them promotes "steam compatible". its practically the first thing every company mentions.
gotta disagree on that. not even the anon you're replying to. if they didn't give a shit about selling their devices they wouldn't be selling refurbished decks. I haven't ever seen that from a company like sony, or xbox, and if it's a thing outside of retail then I'm actually going to be really surprised, but the truth is Valve inexplicably struck lightning in a bottle whether they intended to, or not, and I don't think they're going to waste the opportunity of growing capital through these devices. they definitely want competition though since everything else for the next couple years will be inferior, and an affirmation as to why you should go with a deck, before an aya product, asus product, or whatever the frick is even in the OP with its shit ergonomics. my only actual complaint about the deck is the battery capacitor, firmware, or literally the battery. battery health is fricking stupid on this device.
>I haven't ever seen that from a company like sony, or xbox
uh, they do.
to save you some time
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/consoles/xbox-series-x/refurbished
https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/factory-recertified
damn that's wild, but it just aligns with the idea that Valve is taking their console as seriously as Sony, and Xbox. didn't know Sony, and Xbox sold refurbished.
Yeah it has to be. Literally nothing has changed with charging, or charge times, and yet it shows a lower battery health % so I'm pretty sure with the next update it will unfrick itself, but still it SHREKS my OCD hard.
they are only taking it seriously because no actual steam deck killer has arrived. the steam deck sells at a loss, they make their money back on the steam store. not having to sell another steam deck, at a loss, and having other people make steam deck killers on their own dime, then putting the steam store front on it is clearly the best option
>sells at le loss
>makes money le back
anon even though my comment is kind assholish lets be kinda realistic here. if they were losing money they'd have dropped it like their alienware PC, or their steamdeck controller. this device is actually useful as a console. I can play F.E.A.R and S.T.A.L.K.E.R on a pseudo-controller that just so happens to be a gaming device, I can work on my device when it comes to work-shit, and I can also just use it to shitpost, and browse YT. Beyond that the ergonomics of the device are excellent, and me, and people like me are continuously finding ways to make things that people thought could only work on WinOS work on SteamOS. Until a literal 1:1 wumao copyright avoiding paralleled copy of a Steam Deck comes out there is no "Steam Killer" actually available on the market. I am saying this as someone who had disposable income, bought one on a whim, and fully had the intention of refunding if it was something that wasn't meeting my expectations. I really love it, and already have saved up to upgrade it both hardware-wise, and cosmetically. I use it more than my desktop at this point, and really see a future where it's my main gaming device. Hell like a year ago I brought it with me to a family meetup to play smash with the kids, and the other adults late at night, and they all loved it. I convinced a few to consider buying one. Don't know if they listened, but they kinda heavily considered it when I was reading degree related pdfs to further education related to my major since some of them are EMTs who are in a truck for most of the time, and the others are firefighters who are constantly traveling, and traveling with a desktop in a suitcase is not optimal. It's also cheap af for an APU based UMPC since most APU PCs run for 500ish, and aren't even portable, but are small enough for travel.
>if they were losing money they'd have dropped it
they arnt. they make it back on the steam store front, i just said that. pretty much all console makers do
bro i am gong to be real with you if they weren't making money off the device they'd drop it. it's as simple as that. they make money off their store-front already. I get you don't like the le device because it's Valve, or whatever, but to purposely play koi is just ignorant. they're definitely making money off of it, or it wouldn't be continuously pushed on their storefront for more than a year. I say this as someone who was heavily skeptical about it, and already owns a desktop.
anon, almost none of the console makers sell their consoles at a profit, its basically industry standard. to quote gabe
>"I want to pick this up and say, oh, it all works. It's all fast. It's all... and then price point was secondary and painful. But that was pretty clearly a critical aspect to it," Newell said
he said the price point was painful. what does that mean to you
>anon, almost none of the console makers sell their consoles at a profit,
This is only true at launch. Over time costs come down. The PS3 eventually became profitable even before the first hardware revisions, theres a couple in industry firms that published articles about it. You can still find charts of BOM over time. The PS4 initially sold at a slight loss, and was profitable about 6 months into consumer release. No big player has ever sold hardware at a loss long term.
I paid more for my desktop, and I've been using my steam deck which is significantly cheaper than said desktop, and whatever fixes I need to apply to it overtime is also cheaper than my desktop. I'd say Gabe was probably talking about the initial price, but even then it's actually reasonable compared to most APU based PC's that are prebuilt, or are planned to be built up. They are absolutely making some meager amount of profit off it, or they wouldn't continue to sell it, or remotely have the prospects of selling some kind of spiritual successor is my honest opinion.
Huh didn't know that, but makes sense why they'd drop the alienware desktop they had previously. Definitely believe though that those 64gb models are making money due to the ssd swap that you can do like you said.
Valve didn't make that Alienware system, friendo. Dell did. Alienware is a sub brand of Dell.
I don't believe the Deck is selling at a loss either though, definitely not at this point. Doesn't really have an insane BOM compared to anything else and its been in production for a fricking long time now. Even the $400 model is probably profitable on a per unit basis hardware alone.
>more options for portable pc gaming is bad
Lol lmao
Anyways still waiting for a device where the battery isn't the drizzling shits.
>Anyways still waiting for a device where the battery isn't the drizzling shits.
you'll be waiting a long while until a successor to the lithium ion battery happens. not even trying to be a shithead. it is what is is. i wish the steam deck had a slightly higher quality battery too. even tried to find substitutes like the HAL effect joysticks.
>windows
no thanks
I don't get it, have the people who make these devices just never tried using Windows on it? Like putting windows in it is just an afterthought for them after designing the hardware. Windows is simply not functional in this sort of application and it just doesn't work.
>Proceeds to convince friends to buy steam decks after showing them one
mm nah
For me, its the
>Desktop (Gaming) PC
>Switch Lite
>Retroid Pocket 2+
>Steam Deck
Its all I'll ever need
Who is insane enough to spend, I don't know, $1000 on a Chinese product made by a Chinese corporation? I saw a review of an ayaneo that was being shilled here the other day, and the guy didn't even finish the review and the screen was already fricked.