>ripoff the fire/fighting starter from Hoenn
>ripoff off the team trying to get legendary Pokemon to fix non problem plot from Hoenn
>ripoff autistic friendly rival gimmick from Hoenn
>ripoff champion randomly meeting and helping you from Hoenn and Johto
>ripoff adding evolutions and pre evolutions (but uglier) from Johto
>ripoff the post game from Hoenn
>ripoff the 3rd version has 3rd legendary now in plot to help from Hoenn
>basically the same graphics and engine as Gens 3s, but somehow slower
>jumps the shark on God like pokemon
>furshit introduced in Hoenn dialed up to 11
What did Gamefreak mean by this?
wow it basically took everything bad from hoenn and fixed it
Honestly unironically this. Literally all of the points listed were done better in Sinnoh compared to Hoenn
the fire/fighting starter from Hoenn
Infernape is Blaziken but with a good looking design.
off the team trying to get legendary Pokemon to fix non problem plot from Hoenn
Galactic are actually competent and not morons like Magma/Aqua.
autistic friendly rival gimmick from Hoenn
Barry is nothing like Wally and Barry is actually a good rival
champion randomly meeting and helping you from Hoenn and Johto
Cynthia mogs steven
adding evolutions and pre evolutions (but uglier) from Johto
the post game from Hoenn
Hoenn has no postgame outside of Emerald's frontier which is worse than Plats
the 3rd version has 3rd legendary now in plot to help from Hoenn
Blame Crystal
the same graphics and engine as Gens 3s, but somehow slower
Gen 3 is ugly
the shark on God like pokemon
God is based
introduced in Hoenn dialed up to 11
More like actually good looking designs
Based
I was going to write a response but then I saw that you said gen 4's frontier was better and I knew you were shitposting.
It literally is, cry about it.
I'd argue the battle pike and the battle pyramid give gen 3's BF the win, but gen 4's was better implemented with npcs having actual quotes, and gen 4 had more mechanics (like held items, moves etc) for BF sets to use. The PS split also greatly decreased the number of useless shitmons that were just awkward in gen 3's BF
Not much more than it does for 5.
>Not much more than it does for 5
If only one matches unova then it doesn't fit at all.
I take it you either haven't played a gen 4 game or a gen 5 game
Only one matches for Sinnoh too if you don't do mental gymnastics lmao
OP is yawngay, mental gymnastics are his thing
>Only one matches for Sinnoh too if you don't do mental gymnastics lmao
Yes because Dialga and Palkia aren't gods anymore and you don't encounter Cynthia throughout the game.
The reality is the only one that doesn't fit is the friendly rival because all of the rivals in gen 3 to 5 have different personalities and roles.
How exactly are Groudon, Kyogre, Dialga and Palkia "gods" but Reshiram and Zekrom aren't...? Are you gonna tell me you don't meet Alder in BW too?
For starters it said gen 4 jumped the shark on God like pokemon. Kyogre and Groudon are strong pokemon but they aren't the god of land and sea, Reshiram and Zekrom follow suit there in that they aren't the physical embodiment of anything.
Dialga and Palkia ARE time and space respectively, they are literal gods of their elements.
As for Alder while he appears throughout the story, like every champion, he isn't the same character as Steven and Cynthia who were both stoic archaeologist types, he's more of a jolly adventurer.
Not to mention you don't fight him at the end of the game, his fight is exclusively postgame.
That said you could put N in that position but as the "leader" of plasma he doesn't fit either.
>Dialga and Palkia ARE time and space respectively, they are literal gods of their elements.
and?
God, you're worse than yawngay
>For starters it said gen 4 jumped the shark on God like pokemon
Oh yeah well that's true
And a good thing
>he isn't the same character as Steven and Cynthia who were both stoic archaeologist types, he's more of a jolly adventurer
So now the argument is about Steven and Cynthia being "too similar"? Well, that's a pretty moronic one considering they're quite obviously nothing alike. Cynthia's thing is myths, not archeology, otherwise you would find her in Oreburgh City and she would have at least one fossilmon. You'd have to be pretty fricking stupid to look at Steven and Cynthia and go oh yeah that's the same character
>And a good thing
It's really not, actual gods was a massive leap that shouldn't have happened until about now, when they finally found a decent writer.
>So now the argument is about Steven and Cynthia being "too similar"?
That was always the argument.
>Cynthia's thing is myths, not archeology.
And Steven's is rocks specifically, not fossils. You're getting to hung up on the words being used and not what it means for their personality.
>actual gods was a massive leap that shouldn't have happened until about now, when they finally found a decent writer
Too bad gen 4 had better story than gen 9 then.
>You're getting to hung up on the words being used and not what it means for their personality
Well, their personalities are nothing alike, so i don't really see your point there, yawngay.
It's clear you just have a bias for gen 4 so there's no talking sense into you.
>That was always the argument.
this isn't an argument used by anyone aside from /vp/ shitposters like you
>You'd have to be pretty fricking stupid to look at Steven and Cynthia and go oh yeah that's the same character
>both are calm, no nonsense characters
>both spelunk in caves due to their interest
>both are the final boss of their game
>both help out when the evil team's plan goes wrong
Yeah sure, totally different.
When did you last see Cynthia "spelunk in caves" anon?
Yeah that must be why you failed to make any point whenever i was there during one of your shitposts, yawngay.
>When did you last see Cynthia "spelunk in caves" anon
NTA but celestic ruins, sinnoh, Mt coronet, she wanted to investigate the lakes
Sinjoh*
So basically myth related places, rather than "caves" specifically which are Steven's thing, Steven who doesn't give a shit about myths whatsoever.
So yeah, that's called being two completely different characters and he honestly reached a new low by even trying to argue they were similar lmao, this is moronic even by his standards which is saying a lot.
A cave is a cave anon, whether you're there for rocks or mythological discovery does t change the fact that you're searching a cave.
Don't forget
>Parent is the most notable NPC in an area
>"Please deliver this Key Item to my parent"
>Gives you an HM so you can engage with the stupid antagonists some more
>Gives you a rare, underleveled Pokemon
>"Congrats on clearing that Pokemon obstacle btw"
>*Exposition dump*
Same story beats, similar hobby in the context of the game, both are using a pseudo as their ace, etc.
You're a very sad person yawngay, imagine grasping at straws so much to pretend two very obviously different characters are similar.
And you do that literally all of the time, you spend your entire life on /vp/ a board you claim to hate. Honestly man you should do yourself a favor and stop coming here.
Between yawngay and the voreschizo (if they're even two different people) i think it's safe to say gen 4 haters are the most mentally ill and degenerate part of the pokemon fanbase. Something about this gen just seems to mindbreak schizos for some reason.
>Yawngay
>Not using his disingenuous juxtaposition images
Moron.
>games that are this similar in terms of their animations is completely nonsensical.
Correct, which is why most people are referring to the HP bar in battles.
You clearly haven't seen him post often, he also loves to do pointless debates where he purposefully misinterpret things, and pointless walls of text (the platinum and B2W2 rants he screencapped and keeps spamming were also written by him, as autistic as that sounds)
>Correct, which is why most people are referring to the HP bar in battles
Then why claim the engine in general is slower? Also, the slowest HP bars in the franchise are the gen 2 ones.
Yeah yeah, i'm sure you can show me anyone else claiming Cynthia and Steven are too similar. Oh wait, you can't because nobody thinks that :^)
>Then why claim the engine in general is slower?
Probably because traversing the overworld is slower in general.
>Also, the slowest HP bars in the franchise are the gen 2 ones.
What does Gen 2 have to do with the discussion when it's been about contrasting Gen 3 and Gen 4?
>Probably because traversing the overworld is slower in general
It isn't. Hell, i'm pretty sure the bike is faster in gen 4.
That kind of random, un-backed up claims and constantly moving goalposts are why the whole "gen 4 is slow" thing will never be anything more than a reddit meme.
>Hell, i'm pretty sure the bike is faster in gen 4.
It's not, the mach bike is faster than top gear in gen 4.
And you say it's "un-backed" anyone could list off a lot of things that are slower off the top of my head
Saving
Surf speed, which after the fix is still slower
HP
Battle animations, DP in particular didn't play the animation immediately after the text and had a short pause which is one of the reasons why this
isn't a good comparison.
On that note, platinum also lagged in some areas that were fine in DP like Hearthome.
And in general the game felt more sluggish because it was 30fps down from gen 3's 60.
But of course you're going to try and say that there's no proof of this.
>Saving, Surf speed, which after the fix is still slower, HP, Battle animations,
Hoenngays need to make stuff up now lol
>Surf speed
It's the same as the running speed in Pt, which is more than enough. And even in DP, having it be the walking speed was less of a pain than not being able to run indoors.
>Battle animations
Depends on the move. But yes DP had a short pause which Platinum removed, but honestly you barely even notice it when playing. That's why i'm saying these arguments are moronic because there's no SIGNIFICANT speed difference between the games in most situations.
>On that note, platinum also lagged in some areas that were fine in DP like Hearthome
What? There 0 lag in the DS games, the frick are you talking about?
>And even in DP, having it be the walking speed was less of a pain than not being able to run indoors.
You'd have a point if the walking speed was as slow as the surfing in DP but it wasn't. Not to mention you didn't spend as much time indoors in RSE as you did surfing in DP.
>, but honestly you barely even notice it when playing.
Going back to it the pause is very noticeable I take it you haven't actually played DP in a long time if you're saying this. Even then it clearly adds to the speed between it and the HP bar.
>There 0 lag in the DS games, the frick are you talking about?
Compare Hearthome in DP to Hearthome in Platinum and you'll notice a lag in the latter.
>You'd have a point if the walking speed was as slow as the surfing in DP but it wasn't
It was. The surfing literally uses the walking speed.
>you didn't spend as much time indoors in RSE as you did surfing in DP
Hardly true when DP didn't have many mendatory water routes.
>I take it you haven't actually played DP in a long time
I did just last week to test things with the game's AI, actually. The only thing that felt slow to me was the text before i set it to fast in the options, which is a problem in every pokemon game.
>Compare Hearthome in DP to Hearthome in Platinum and you'll notice a lag in the latter
You probably just have a shit emulator. Actual lag on DS games, especially in single player mode, is borderline unheard of.
>The surfing literally uses the walking speed
Reading comprehension anon, the walking speed in RSE was faster than the surfing speed in DP.
>Hardly true when DP didn't have many mendatory water routes.
I don't think you understand what's being said or the comparison that's being made. You're saying that having a slower Surf speed is preferable to not being able to run indoors like RSE but you spend less time in indoor areas that don't allow running than you do surfing in DP because of their general size and the walking speed being faster than the surfing speed.
>I did just last week to test things with the game's AI, actually
I doubt that, unless you're just saying that you've only ever played DP because it's very noticeable if you play games back to back.
>You probably just have a shit emulator
Yes anon, because actual hardware is an emulator. You have a blatant bias for gen 4 anon, I mean, this is something that's even on bulbapedia for God's sake and you're denying it as if it hasn't been discussed since the game came out.
>the walking speed in RSE was faster than the surfing speed in DP
No? Moving speed was equal between both games.
>you spend less time in indoor areas that don't allow running than you do surfing in DP
Again, hardly true. There's a lot of indoors areas in the games, even things like gyms or pokemon centers. Additionally, having to regularily switch between run speed and walk speed is more annoying than having to walk for a long time.
>I doubt that, unless you're just saying that you've only ever played DP because it's very noticeable if you play games back to back
Well, i doubt your version as well, because i do indeed play multiple gens back to back and while i don't deny the thing is there, i only notice it on replays or when comparing to games that don't have it, not while playing.
What they mean by lag is some oof the graphics taking time to load (which is what leads to the tweaking trick being possible), i thought you meant something that actually slows down the game, as that would have been on topic.
>Moving speed was equal between both games.
No, it wasn't, the surf speed in DP was equal to the walking speed in DP. The walking speed in RS was faster than the surfing speed in DP.
I don't know who told you otherwise but I suggest you play the games to compare for yourself.
>There's a lot of indoors areas in the games, even things like gyms or pokemon centers.
Anon, your comparing the amount to the length. Yes you have to go inside more but that doesn't mean you spend a lot of time indoors, in RSE, not counting optional areas, it's just Devon, the slateport museum, the weather institute, Pyre, the Aqua base and the gyms/Ever Grande and that's it and because of the faster walk speed you don't spend a lot of time in there.
I suppose you could add the space center but that's emerald only.
You need to play other games to get a full understanding of how slow DP actually is anon.
>i only notice it on replays or when comparing to games that don't have it, not while playing.
You are literally just agreeing at this point while saying that you're fooling yourself.
Also
>What they mean by lag is some oof the graphics taking time to load
The lag occurs everywhere in Hearthome not just on the loading zones.
>The walking speed in RS was faster than the surfing speed in DP
No because the walking speed was the same between both games.
>Yes you have to go inside more but that doesn't mean you spend a lot of time indoors, in RSE, not counting optional areas, it's just Devon, the slateport museum, the weather institute, Pyre, the Aqua base and the gyms/Ever Grande
That’s already more than DP’s mendatory water routes and as I said switching from running to walking is the most annoying part here.
>You are literally just agreeing at this point while saying that you're fooling yourself
I never said the pause doesn’t exist, I said it doesn’t matter.
>The lag occurs everywhere in Hearthome not just on the loading zones
Loadlines are very common in this game.
>You probably just have a shit emulator. Actual lag on DS games, especially in single player mode, is borderline unheard of.
You Sinnohgays are pathetic
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ds/946308-pokemon-platinum-version/answers/166907-my-game-lags-when-i-ride-the-bike-in-a-city-like-hearthome-city-yours-too#:~:text=Other%20Answers,no%20exception%20to%20the%20rule.&text=I%20have%20a%20DS%20Lite,same%20thing%20happens%20to%20me.
>13 years ago
>His proof is one rando on gamefaqs
HAHAHAHA
>multiple people
>13 years ago
>literally listed on bulbapedia
Why are you even defending gen 4, yawngay? This isn't your usual MO.
Anon, if you were talking to yawngay we would have thrown a tantrum by now instead we're just talking about things everyone saw back when the game first released before this board even existed.
Grow up already.
Is there anything actually bad about God pokemon or is it just one of those /vp/ things people say because they can't think for themselves?
>stoic
lol Cynthia isn't stoic.
>or is it just one of those /vp/ things people say because they can't think for themselves?
If you belive that then you can't think for yourself. Either way, it's a level of world building that didn't need to be a part of pokemon because now what were just superpowered animals are now essential to the building blocks of existence that children can capture.
>If you belive that then you can't think for yourself
Really? You don't think /vp/ is full of memes people spout without being able to explain themselves and when asked to elaborate they just seethe? You can see that right here:
>Either way, it's a level of world building that didn't need to be a part of pokemon because now what were just superpowered animals are now essential to the building blocks of existence that children can capture.
And?
>You can see that right here:
The irony being that you chose the two perfect examples that prove my point given the first anon cannot comprehend what the second said showing that he cannot in fact think for himself and required someone else to explain an already adequate explanation.
Just tell me why godmons are bad my brown friend.
Of course it's yawngay but that doesn't mean he's always wrong, these things have always been a point of contention with gen 4, using them to shitpost doesn't change that which is what makes his gen 4 shitposting different from his gen 5 shitposting where its just his own worthless opinion.
>Implying his gen 4 shitposting is anything more than his own worthless opinion
>cheren and bianca aren't friendly rivals
>the legndaries don't have a role in the gen 5 plot
>adler doesn't show up during the story
just stop
It's debatable. Some love to say that 3's Frontier is objectively better but the Battle Palace will always be Pokemon's worst battle facility. Future gens will have to actively try in order to surpass it.
It's hardly debatable. For starters even if you take out the palace that's still 6 facilities to 5.
Then there's the fact that every facility in gen 4 is essentially just standard matches, which makes it fairly easy especially with the arcade where you can force a handicap on the enemy.
>Then there's the fact that every facility in gen 4 is essentially just standard matches, which makes it fairly easy especially with the arcade where you can force a handicap on the enemy.
I don't get this argument whenever I see it. A lot of 3's facilities have normal matches and the gimmicks can be helpful to you. Dome has team preview. Pike lets you skip fights or fight a strong team and get healed as a reward. Pyramid lets you use items in battle and finding items isn't too hard either.
>Dome has team preview.
That doesn't really help the player or force a handicap. Not to mention you can only pick two of your three pokemon meaning the AI has an advantage and can pick mon that are effective against yours.
>Pike lets you skip fights
Pike is rng based, each line has a good and bad outcome so skipping fights is never guaranteed. In fact the line for skipping is
>I seem to have heard something... It may have been whispering...
And can also lead to a double battle.
>or fight a strong team and get healed as a reward.
Exactly, it's a risk reward thing, in fact that's the whole gimmick of the Pike.
>Pyramid lets you use items in battle and finding items isn't too hard either.
The pyramid also has an incredibly high encounter rate with wild pokemon and trainers that can leave status effects.
Running away from wild pokemon is also harder to do, with even Run Away losing its guaranteed escape effect.
fpbp
sinnoh is the definitive retro pokemon experience, taking elements from the three generations before it and refining them.
>wall of greentext boxart genwar bait #10,069
yawn
heh, "yawn"
get it
ahem *ywnbaw*
drops mic
>ripoff the fire/fighting starter from Hoenn
>ripoff off the team trying to get legendary Pokemon to fix non problem plot from Hoenn
>ripoff autistic friendly rival gimmick from Hoenn
>ripoff champion randomly meeting and helping you from Hoenn and Johto
>ripoff adding evolutions and pre evolutions (but uglier) from Johto
>ripoff the post game from Hoenn
>ripoff the 3rd version has 3rd legendary now in plot to help from Hoenn
>basically the same graphics and engine as Gens 3s, but somehow slower
>jumps the shark on God like pokemon
>furshit introduced in Hoenn dialed up to 11
You tried and failed. None of those work with get 5 except fire/fighting
Honestly they don't require much more mental gymnastics to apply to gen 5 compared to gen 4
Except for the cross gen evos since gen 5 had none lole
Anon, if you have to apply any gymnastics then it doesn't work at all.
Then you should have called out OP, not this random post
It's almost as if it works for gen 4.
Kinnoh mindbroke xim again
Woah, it's almost like a lot of Pokemon games tend to reuse the same ideas over and over again because of how little the main formula changes!
Thing is only Sinnoh is a flagrant rehash.
Notice how nobody is calling you a liar OP
I still love Sinnoh, but it's factually just a glorified ripoff of Hoenn.
>Kanto is the first region in the series, and many features introduced here (like non-linearity in the order which you obtain gym badges) got dropped in later entries. The pacing and storyline are entirely unique.
>Johto is an extension of Kanto, and it was meant to be the final entry in the series. Johto is much more polished and crisp than Kanto, and it's more streamlined in general. Gamefreak was still testing the waters at this point, and they were making considerable progress.
>Hoenn is when Gamefreak found their groove. Instead of merely making an extension of a past region like how they did with Johto, they wanted to make an entirely new region, much like how Kanto was perceived at the time of its inception. Hoenn laid the groundwork for the pacing and storyline features that subsequent games would adopt.
>According to Gamefreak, the Sinnog games were supposed to be the "ultimate Pokemon games". This is because they had already found their groove with the Hoenn games, so they wanted to take their ideas and run with them. However, this is the first region that made no real innovations. Everything from the pacing, story, and Legendary Pokemon are ripped straight from Hoenn.
It's no wonder that Gamefreak wanted their next entry in the series to be a soft reboot.
>Hoenn laid the groundwork for the pacing and storyline features that subsequent games would adopt.
Yeah Hoenn invented rivals, gyms, the E4, the champion, grass/fire/water starters, and legendaries.
Oh wait no it didn't dumbass Hoennbaby.
Maybe if you were smart you would know what part of the games fall under story
>all these set pieces aren't part of the story because...because it just isn't ok! The series started with Hoenn it didn't rip anything off!
>all these set pieces aren't part of the story because...
Because they genuinely aren't you fricking moron. Did Hoenn rip off several features from the first two regions? Of course. But the mentality Gamefreak had when developing RSE was entirely unique at the time. On the other hand, Gamefreak didn't feel like innovating when developing DPPt, they just wanted to meet the standard that Hoenn had cultivated for them.
Learn to logically combat my points instead of just pissing your pants Sinnohfetus.
>But the mentality Gamefreak had when developing RSE was entirely unique at the time
And they made a Kanto clone anyway, mentality means nothing.
I'd argue Sinnoh's innovation was having a plot that actually takes itself seriously. Gens 1 and 2 didn't care about plot and gen 3's was just there to represent the duality between Dialga and Palkia, it didn't try to give the bad guys coherent motivations. Why want more water, why want less water? Doesn't make sense and it's never explained. For Cyrus it's explained why he thinks like that and his ideology is made pretty clear, and you see this even more in gen 5 with N.
>gen 3's was just there to represent the duality between Dialga and Palkia
Meant Kyogre and Groudon obviously
>and it was meant to be the final entry in the series
lol moron
>However, this is the first region that made no real innovations
physical special split is more innovative than anything that would come after
gen 4 is so much slower than gen 3 bros
So, Gen 4 is faster (only) if you don't engage during the main gameplay sections?
>So, gen 4 is faster [schizo headcanon]
That won't do discordsisters...
Why use an example of fleeing for both games rather than an actual attack then? Unless the implication is that most battles in general you're running from, wouldn't the most apposite choice to showcase an actual battle?
I didn't make that webm, i'm just reposting it.
And i wasn't trying to claim gen 4 is "faster" considering this video shows both at around the same speed, with gen 4 being a bit faster but obviously not enough to be noticeable in game. My point is that this whole argument is autistic and doesn't make sense, comparing "speed" on games that are this similar in terms of their animations is completely nonsensical.
NOOOOO MY NARRATIVE
Hoenn would be considered one of the worst regions without Emerald and even then the sinnoh games are still better.
I used to be a huge Hoenn fan, and Emerald was my favorite game for over a decade. But over time, my taste changed or I don't know what happened, but now I much prefer Sinnoh over Hoenn. Sinnoh is basically like Hoenn but bigger and better, and without all the annoying water routes. Platinum is basically Emerald but in a better region, and with the physical special split as a bonus.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [one of] MY WAIFU[s] FOR 16 YEARS CAN'T JUST BE A GENDERBENT OF A CHARACTER FROM AN ENTRY FOUR YEARS PRIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cynthia is nothing like Steven why do gays always gotta compare them and pretend they're similar
>Cynthia is nothing like Steven
>lists multiple instances of how they're similarly used in their game
>ummm, it doesn't count because Cynthia gets me hard unlike Steven!
>lists multiple instances of how they're similarly used in their game
Are you ok schizo?
Great, yawngay is defending gen 4 now.
I grew up with Sinnoh.
Hoenn > Sinnoh
I grew up with Hoenn.
Hoenn < Sinnoh
>Genwar bait thread shitting on any other generation
>Gets a few replies from some bobies who fell for it, actual fans of that generation hide the thread
>Genwar bait thread shitting on sinnoh
>Bump limit guaranteed
>jannie deletes the mass replier
>doesn't delete the thread
cringe
The Sinnoh games are actually good games unlike the Hoenn games
>What did Gamefreak mean by this?
they meant that game was so fricking good, let's do it again. simple as.
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