Now that the dust has settled, what went so fricking wrong?
This was supposed to give us the most kino 40k cRPG but the hype just died like a fart in the wind after release.
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Rogue Trader
Now that the dust has settled, what went so fricking wrong?
This was supposed to give us the most kino 40k cRPG but the hype just died like a fart in the wind after release.
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Needs more chaos.
Walls of text dialouge, diversity, no voice acting, turn-based, graphics look outdated
>muh voice acting and graphics
>reading is hard
also it does have a lot of voice acting but you clearly haven't even played the game
>Walls of text dialouge
Reading in an RPG?
>no voice acting
Woah
>turn-based
Literally an advantage
>graphics look outdated
Don't be a gay
>diversity
True tho, they really flopped with trans Cassia, demisexual Yrlicel, aromantic Argentina, pedo Marazhai and non-binary Abelard
Man it was so racist of argenta to shoot idira just because xer was black.
It's such a shame that fellow alphabet people can still feud among each other even in far future -_-
Imagine not worshiping xher majesty Slaanesh in 42k, what are you, a nonbinaryphobe???
>demisexual Yrlicel
She actually is demisexual.
>I CAN'T READ
>REEE DIVERSITY
Why are chuds like this? Were they homeschooled mayhaps?
Homeschooled children score higher on standardized testing than children who go to public or private schools.
Anything else?
I assume these are stats for America, so yeah if you leave your child in American education system and not send them to private school or homeschool then you're a moronic parent.
Homeschooled children also score higher than children who go to private schools, though, it's not just public schools.
Most homeschooling people i know are well off, upper middle class and higher with professionnal jobs. Obviously that will result in high quality education,
It's simply a reality that having one on one education tailored to a single person is going to result in higher quality education than having a person educated where they must learn at the relative speed of the group. If it wasn't for the impossibility of actually having the time to homeschool their children in the dual income household world, it would be much better for most parents to do it.
Let me guess, this is what you think a RPG should have?
rent.
free.
it's pretty good, finished it last week.
Yeah, it is buggy, let it cook a bit more if you can, but as far as a W40K experience its fairly faithful, you can see they were deep fans, people complain the latter chapter were too short but I had already spent 150 hours into the game and relying on cassia to beat stuff (but you can always alter difficulty, theres really 2 fight in the game where the enemy might be able to one shot you if you are mispositionned.
If you're a w40k fan and not moronic like its worth it.
Its a tactical RPG, of course its turn based
Like how did you expect XCOM-style combat (like it should be) to be played other than turn based?
Half a million in one month btw
half a million what? sales?
Because it didn't reach the max peak of Wrath on steam at least
it took wrath a year to reach 1 million sales on all platforms, RT is already halfway there after 2 months and a lot of people are waiting a bit before buying due to Owlcat having famously buggy releases
>Now that the dust has settled, what went so fricking wrong?
No Sister of Battle romance. Any other answers are just cope.
>This was supposed to give us the most kino 40k cRPG but the hype just died like a fart in the wind after release.
Should've had a Sister of Battle romance.
What is the point if having a space nun if they're just a degenerate
>Tranime avatargay
>Bases quality of games around shitty romance arcs
Every time
>avatargay
Kek newbies using terms they don't understand is always funny
So uh, how much did they break with 1.1?
I shelved it in Act 2 because I've had it enough with release Owlcat and dared not venture forth. Good enough now or did they accidentally blow it all up as is their trademark?
>but the hype just died like a fart in the wind after release.
It sold 500 000 copies in 2 months
It has near daily Ganker threads still going
They wasted setting again. The whole point of rogue traders is that you have almost unlimited freedom beyond the confines of the empire but instead you are playing your typical hero story with big bad baddies and railroaded narrative so it feels like a lite rpg.
For this game to succed they had to get the combat extremely right (is like 80% of the game) unfortunatenly it missed the mark and bogged the whole game down as most people have less reason to overlook the bugs and narrative breaking apart as you reach the later acts.
it did give us the most kino 40k crpg, your shit taste is what went wrong
>c'tan shard fight
>filename
First half is great
Second half had tons of bugs, combat and quest related.
Also, even when it works properly it was a lot weaker, Cumrag is a letdown and everything afterwards sucks since combat goes full rocket tag and the story is rushed.
Total Jimmy Meltdown
Total Caligos ape out
>I have taken the dynastic reins of power — though, unfortunately, my ascent was not a bloodless one.
Evayne made him proud in the end.
Based, we need more Winterscale ape outs, interactive ones we ourselves can partake in.
he reminds me of the dancing dante gif.
Those 2 and Chorda should have had more content
It's not finished. The season pass fricking lol hasn't even dropped a single piece yet. Anyone who played it on launch already wrapped it up before the update a few days ago that added many skills/features that weren't actually implemented but pretended to be, while adding half of the game's missing dialogue.
It's an Owlcat game. People who played it on launch are fricking idiots. It might be cool to play in 2 years.
>It might be cool to play in 2 years.
devil content never ever
Ulfar and Argenta are really broken when you have 2 officers.
Though to be honest Ulfar and officer 2 aren't even needed most of the time.
I had great time will replay it when season pass is released.
it makes me happy, 40 kiddies got another flop as a result of their
>BUT WHAT IF "INSERT GAME" AS WARHAMMER 40GAY???
>flop
back to /vg/ frogtroon you're not fooling anybody
eat shit painthuffing diaper gay, 40k is a cancer and you know it
ok frogtroon go to a pathfinder thread then and coom to nenio
Pathfindertards have been real silent since they revealed sales numbers
>flop
Tranniefinders coping hard. Already 500k sales, at this rate it will top Wotr.
I haven't bought it yet, mostly because of I know they will patch it a lot the first year.
How is the combat system? I really like that they moved away from DnD 3.x ruleset
It's not Froggy, just a generic anti-40k gay
>toyboxed both young noble families heirs into my ship servitude
There's no escape
BG3 raped and pissed and shat all over it
Nobody cares about your imaginary rivalry.
I like both
>expecting anything beyond mediocrity from owlcat a company obsessed with woke and trannies
lol
lmao
lfmao even
there is not a single woke thing in this game cope harder troony
now THATis some coping
you're shitposting troon that has never played the game
You actually never played the game.
It's like watching a downie get into an argument with his own echo.
>At its peak, 45,405 Steam users were playing it at the same time — just 1,319 fewer people than played Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous at the time.
Explain
Steam isn't the only platform steamie, GOG exists, and consoles too
Pathfinder games are dogshit so is 40homosexualry
there I explained
launched on several platforms at once unlike pathfinder. You wouldn't believe it but people play crpgs on playstation. I don't know why anyone would put himself through that torture, but there you have it
>You wouldn't believe it but people play crpgs on playstation.
kek
frickin how?
>Steam isn't the only platform steamie, GOG exists, and consoles too
Had the misfortune of releasing an old CRPG with shit graphics after BG3 changed the genre. People aren't going to be happy with 720p isometric models standing still with static portrait dialogue anymore.
I'm happy. their games have higher replayability for me because there's more gameplay. I liked bg3, but i will probably reaply 1 more time in a couple of years and that's ti. pathfinder and rt i'll be replaying for years to come. Those game have simply a much more satisfying combat and leveling mechanics
>babby's first RPG experience
It's like we're back in 2000s Bioware.
What "people"
All of that is why it's great though.
correct
> CRPG
> Burning half of your budget on voice acting and 'woah graffix' cutscenes
>changed the genre
in what way? by having thought put into it instead of being half-assed at the publisher's demands? that's being competent, not revolutionary
>it's cumrag episode again
>it's reequipping everything time
END ME
AAA AA A A AAAAAAHHH
>Put focus on Eldar factions the most boring and useless two groups in the setting
>Cut corners with Chaos and barely even tried with Necrons, two factions people actually care about
>Cut corners on the Hereticus path
>Side locales are more interesting than the main story locales
>Bugs everywhere
Seethe more, I fricking love space elves and it was great to have eldar/deldar/clowns get a lot of screentime for a change.
>Game gives Eldar more spotlight time
>It's bad
Funny how that works
It's good though? Also funny to see this "what went wrong" shit just as sales numbers were shown and it's looking to be more popular than WotR.
The game has zero popularity outside Owlcat's hufbox community. Boltgun was a far more recognized 40k game with half the effort
>The game has zero popularity outside Owlcat's hufbox community
Good. We need to gatekeep harder.
>those sales don't matter because they just don't
>biggest patch since release
>3.9k peak players
its dead jim
>muh charts
if the game really sold as well as you said surely some of the 500k+ owners would have bothered to check out the game after the biggest patch to date.
what a weird way to pretend the reported sales are fake
A shitton of morons buy game and never play them, those people do not buy dlc and will not buy your next game.
Look at WOTR, it had more than twice as many palyers at the same point Rogue Trader is aftetr launch and after each patch thousand of people would check it out boosting the peak number, this is all data that that any moron can access including themselves, Owlcat need to get their shit together this is their 3rd game and they are still fricking up, 40K was a massive IP but instead of the quality improving its keep getting worse.
in two months, Rogue Trader sold half of what WOTR sold in a year. That's the only piece of data that actually gives you an idea of the relative successes of the games
>muh peaks
>muh charts
>muh metrics
are irrelevant
Bigger IP after Baldur Gate generated the golden age of CRPG in terms of interest and by all metrics no one gives a shit about the game and its way less popular than WOTR
RT's peak was like a thousand players less than WOTR, you dumb fricking zoomer
It's not about peak, its about player retention the game much more quicker than wotr, even kingmaker had better player retention see
Do you honestly think the average normies that flocked to bg3 are gonna be interested in an old school crpg where you need to do a lot of manual reading
Sorry anon but that sounds like coping.
It's sold more. Also it's playerbase is not "half" of what WOTR had, that's outright false, it's about 46k peak vs 37k peak, with 2 months out of release being 5.5k vs 3.7k
It's overall got a lower metric but then consider that WOTR released on PC and Mac only initially and the rest of the platforms got it a month later while RT released on all platforms simultaniously, So yes, that impacted the Steam all time peak.
With that said I don't doubt BG3 had a negative impact, but only insofar as people have set their expectations unreasonably high. BG3 will, in time, be seen as a horrible thing to the crpg genre. A genuinely terrible thing. Similar to how Souls has ruined the action RPG genre for example due to copycats and misunderstood lessons.
>Similar to how Souls has ruined the action RPG genre for example due to copycats and misunderstood lessons.
that's a problem with morons who try to copy souls with zero understanding of what made it great, not Souls games
Yes, and that's exactly what'll happen to crpgs, thanks for agreeing.
See shit lçike
It's genuinely staggering how many normalgays have been attracted to the crpg genre thanks to BG3. Shit like this will become the norm.
its a good thing BG3 is now the gold standard for CRPG
I know you're baiting, but again, it's horrible how this is what some people genuinely think now. It's going to ruin crpg as a genre.
>I know you're baiting,
but i'm not? its genuinely a good thing larian is forcing other devs to get up to speed
Not taking your bait normalgay.
I played FO2 that was fun
I then played BG3, had a ton of fun, memorable experience that was pure unadultered joy
I then played WOTR, quit at 60 hours, what a dogshit game
After that I decided to give RT a try, shit bugged out and couldn't progress pass the first necron fight
so owlcat has been nothing but disappointment and irritation
that's fine, it simply means that owlcat doesn't make games for you, nothing is wrong with that. not everything needs to cater to everyone (not even gonna go into how making something that everyone will like is impossible)
yea but I keep seeing owlcat shilled as a good CRPG maker and my experience is the complete opposite, almost as if RT threads are inorganic
divinity original sin 2 was better than bg3
that is next on my list yeah
oh but i am smug
Yes, but you are also a conspiracy moron who does not come off as someone one could hope to actually argue with
well yeah because owlcat games feeling outdated is not something that can be argued, its a fact
>owlcat games feeling outdated
this is that zoomer normalgay take again, it's the same reason ff7 "remake" is a devil may cry clone. Gatekeeping has never ever been more important than it is right now.
>People liek things I do not
>SHIIIIIIIIIIIIL:
Why the frick has this mentality pervaded Ganker so much?
What happened to at least feeling smug you are not like the casuals who have bad taste?
Owlcat threads are definitely kept alive by a subset of autists that love the number crunching aspects over anything else, because lord knows the games are middling at best otherwise.
Sure, whatever.
That's vastly different than
>I smell inorganic thread creation
or whatever the frick
it is inorganic, just not paid inorganic. RT is outright a bad, unfinished game, but has had constant threads since release. The fact that it can somehow "sustain" constant threads on Ganker while /ocg/ stays dead is proof enough that a few somebodies are just keeping the threads alive well past the sell-by date
>outright a bad, unfinished game,
I could easily say the exact same thing about the two previous games or many games actively discussed on Ganker.
And it still does not fit the 'inorganic' label.
/crpg/ is full of pathfinder schizos so these anons understandably don't want to go there and disguss the game on Ganker
Plus it gained some posters adter big patch who were waiting on buying the game
It's pretty much a semi-general, with a core 30 regulars and some commers and goers. They don't want to astroturf the game or anything they just don't want to go to /vg/ because the crpg crowd there is pretty cancer (see Froggy and adjacent schizos that come here to shit up threads)
And yet the threads always have relevant discussion happening.
lol
lmao
Just because you don't like the discussion about fricking Jimmi/Yrliet's autism/new builds/how do I fix x/what's the right choice for Y doesn't mean it's not relevant.
it is a good crpg maker for me because it makes games that i personally enjoy immensely
Not everyone has the resources, experience and leeway of Larian
skill issue.
Without the impressive reactivity BG3 is just another piece of shit tumblrcore neoBioware game.
How, exactly?
notice how the same people that like 5e and bg3 are also the same Black folk that love marvel movies, modern music, play cod and buy shitloads of micro-transactions and post from their phones? Gatekeeping these normalgays has never been more important and should be a top priority.
>BG3 will, in time, be seen as a horrible thing to the crpg genre. A genuinely terrible thing.
i really dont see how given that the state of the "renaissance" before BG3 was pretty squalid
Wrath had over 10k playerbase two months after launch, it did not hit current Rogue Trader numbers after more than 6 months after release.
That's not true.
It hit 5.9 average by November and 5.2 average by December
That 10k peak could have been on the 1st or on the 30th and if we're looking at peak for the month then RT's peak playerbase for February (aka this month) is technically 8,2k
It's following a similar pattern
First month peak, second month around 20k and third month around 10k, even even
And here's RTs.
Again, keep in mind the difference between greatest peak can easily be explained due to the timing of release of the non PC/Mac versions for WOTR vs RT.
You are the biggest moron i have seen on this site.
You're the one that can't read a basic graph
The numbers are right there on both of my posts
Also your screenshot has no information relevant to the discussion beyond all time peak which we've already established yes, RTs is lower, but also RT released for all platforms simultaniously while WOTR released only for the PC at first, explaining a higher steam number.
It takes 5 minutes to prove that you are wrong, as you can see the highest numbers of users across febrruary was 6.6k and the average is much lower than the wrath of the righterous hart which has nearly double the amount of playerbase 3 months after launch
Fair enough, that still shows the exact same drop off. 13k and 4k.
The game began with less players, so it has less players latter one ven with the same drop off.
Wonder why the all time peak for RT is wrong there.
Did steam not update it properly?
You are ready the cart wrong, do you not see the 10,286 at the right on the november numbers, it says clearly that the peak was 10,286.
5.9 is the Avg. Player a made up metric that steamchart displays and its not a real accurate number but the average between Max CCU across the day
Peak is fricking irrelevant. what matters is average for the month you gigantic homosexual.
And if you want to compare peaks, then it's 10k for WOTR vs 8k for RT which means it's within the expected drop off. It hasn't dropped off faster
Heck you can see the actual drop off numbers and it's the same for both games.
> BG3 will, in time, be seen as a horrible thing to the crpg genre.
OH NO IT FORCES OTHER CRPG DEVS TO GET THEIR ASSES IN GEAR? OH NO THE HORROR
Again, more and more normalgays displaying the opinions that will ruin the genre.
the only thing it did great was reactivity and exploration, admittedly those are two huge things for a crpg, but still aren't as important as gameplay which was medocre, and don't get me started on the outdated companion approval system. Dragon Age 2 is unironically the only game that did something new and interesting with companion approval and they for some moronic reason decided to ditchd it in their next game, what a shame
Keep coping, marinegay
>Implying
I'll be sure to have a laugh when Space Marine 2 comes out and blows Rogue Trader our of the water. Learn your place, Marines are the reason 40k exists.
Nta but I don't care about shooters or marineslop, if RT sells well enough that it keeps getting DLCs or a sequel that's a win as far as I'm concerned.
>tau and orktards still seething about eldar
it's amazing how a slavjank game mindbroke so many
It's also amazing how Eldar have never won a single major conflict in the history of 40k.
Your coping is almost visible, have some decency
they've won a battle for my dick
The most important one
that's moronic, they won the war in heaven
in current times, yeah, they exist to suffer
>they won the war in heaven
No they didn't. The Necrons opting to play the long war doesn't mean the Eldar won. If the Eldar had won, the Necrons wouldn't be around. Instead they failed their most importwnt objective, protecting the Old Ones.
Eldar are and always have been complete and utter failures.
I don't care about space elves but they ruled the galaxy for 60 million years uncontested and only fell because they became coomers due to having nothing else to do after reaching peak tech and conquest
>Ruled the Galaxy for 60 million years
>Let the Warp go to shit and spawned three Chaos Gods before Slaanesh
>Let the Orks live
>Couldn't kill the sleeping Necrons
>Were about to be usurped by Humanity
The fact they ruled for so long and had so little impact only does more to show how useless they are.
>they ruled the galaxy for 60 million years uncontested
>still can't do shit about some switched off robots
and start murderfricking eachother instead
can't do shit about some switched off robots
do they even know which planets contain necron tombs?
They had sixty million years to find them, yet most of the important Necron leaders are still active now.
Most important Necron leader left the Milky Way for 50 million years and only came back because of the Tyranids.
> Your archenemy still exists
> They have enormous numbers and infrastructure in thousands of systems
> Don't nuke them out of existence while they are sleeping
> Orcs still exist
> Actively frick up anything they get their hands on and sow chaos wherever they go.
>Even if the orkoids don't represent a threat at the moment, they may very well in the future, also its a matter of fricking hygiene
> Realm of souls is turbo fricked and spraying immaterial fever-dreams near constantly
> This problem is clearly not going to fix itself
> Should we try to do something to stabilize it... nah, she'll be right.
> Instead bust nuts against the wall until the layers of semen congeal into an eldritch horrorterror that eats 90% of your species and renders the survivors traumatized, dispossessed, and largely infertile
> Necrons start awakening.
> Oh whoops, guess we probably shouldn't have ignored them for millions of years
> Uppity ape things start wrecking everyone's shit and destabilizing the warp further
> Oh, and all the garbage that the enlightened, farseeing space elves neglected to clean up has attracted space wienerroaches - imagine that.
> The pinnacle of conquest
Let's face it, where military achievement is concerned, the Eldar's track record consists entirely of no-names and other eldar.
They weren't even a player/side in that war, just a vassal. And their overlord got gauss'd
it's usually space marine types that seethe the most
which is fun
nah, in this case it really is tautards and orkeks whining about xenos represetation lul
(You) there
Post what MC build you're using for your post 1.1 run!
Plasmagun sniper cause he's intmaxxed
and a heretical pyromaniac psyker
same as before - full support oficer/gs. No, i will not fire a gun once, that's a job for the serfs
Based.
Sannctic is still OP for defense + offense and you can still buff Argenta as Burst to destroy everything in 1 turn loops despite the nerf to Bring it Down
Noble deathworld operator
Cant say the patch really seems to have changed balance that much, but it is still pretty early game.
Hive World Astra Militarum Commander Operator dual wielding pistols.
gonna try imperial commissar melee officer
bug infested trash. Pathfinder style where you have to buff 500 times before actually fighting does not mix well with 40k. Either go back to Pathfinder or make a Warhammer fantasy CRPG next.
>Pathfinder style where you have to buff 500 times before actually
t. never played the game
there is no prebuffing before fights moron you literally can not use not attack abailities outside of combat
get better b8
i know dumbfrick. you have to buff DURING the battle and waste turns which is WORSE
>waste turns
>very few actual good/relevant buffs found in psyker subtypes and officer
lmao keep embarrassing yourself troony
you haven't played the game
I have beaten it. I actually have beaten it twice because of how much hour I lost from save files dissapearing. Its garbage. I dont want to spend every fight buffing. I want to shoot my fricking gun.
>buffing wastes turns
it's how I know you haven't even touched the game you're seething about.
it was an Owlcat game, so it was unfinished and broken
also hasn't there been a bump limit thread 24/7 since the game came out
reddithammer is goyslop and the fans need everything explained to them by youtubers in small, tiny words so a text heavy RPG is way too much for them.
>ch1-2
kino
>ch3
cut that crap entirely from the game
>ch4
2 quests
>ch5
1 quest
game is basically 2 chapters long, everything else is shit
>commorragh continuing to filter people
all is right with the world
4 and 5 being short and rushed is true though
I am the one who would rate ch4 in wotr as the best one
but this just sucks
>ch4 in wotr as the best one
Based.
4>3>1>2>3>>>5
you actuallu cant trust anyone that says a 40k game is good. 40k homosexuals are so desperate for a good game based on their tabletop they eat slurp up anything. Remember the fricking pathetic shilling for darktide?
>what went so fricking wrong?
idk I like it
>slav-tier development costs for 3.9k players
>meanwhile AAAs budget titles are sinking like rocks
okay froggy
its funny how forgiving people are with critical bugs for games they like but if a Black person gives you the bug eye on starfield, the game is unplayable
here's a better version
https://store.steampowered.com/app/652980/Loading_Screen_Simulator/
Takes less than 5 seconds on my SSD.
So what 40k games can you play eldar or deldar in? Started Gladius and they're both fun to play and as expected have the best looking units and the way webway gates work is cool.
Dawn of War trilogy, Rites of War if you like old shit
You can play them in batlfleet gothic armada 1 and 2 but not in campaign just skirmishes/mp
Nice, thanks!
>look up Rites of War
>oldschool turn based strategy entirely about eldar
Now I really have to check this out.
Anything wrong with killing Chorda and the other guy?
you lose a potential companion if you're not on the heretic path
>Chorda
nothing
>and the other guy
yes, he's based. eh kills knif ears and isn't afraid of anything
You can recruit Chorda as icono/dogma
And you can recruit Caligos if heretic
>what went so fricking wrong?
Nothing, it was GOTY 2023 despite what anyone else will cope about.
definitely was for me
What do gays gain by coming here spamming their cope that the game flopped?
Even if it did, it's not gonna stop anons who actually like it from enjoying it, are you braindead fotm zoomers who base everything on sales? By that logic CoD is the game of the millenium.
zoomers are obsessed with metrics thanks to social media
This game really makes some people seethe. Probably a mix of Froggy and 40k guys angry about elves.
Total Marazhai branding
Very nice. Also makes me think it would have been neat if you could somehow get the drukhari armor perk from romancing Marz, like maybe he gets you a custom one that fits and only pokes you a bit so you can get used to it.
god i wish that was me. yremeryss should have fricked him
>yremeryss should have fricked him
She probably did
>majority of marzipan lovers are women
they really like to be abused by gay looking men, huh?
It's the voice, can't nadle myself when a man has a voice like that. And yes abuse and demonstration of power is a legitimate fetish. why else do you think table sex has worked women into frenzy?
yes, elves are hot
you also have dom route with him but the dom/sub thing is roleplaying to begin with, the point is to show him you get drukhari culture
I'll point him to the plasma reactor and kick him into it, what a fricking c**t, is there any chance to betray his stupid ass for my benefit (like a proper drukhari would) after we're out of cumrag?
you can just give him to jimbo
his boss was working with the deldar, bro, I'm not trusting these slimy rats, jim is a good lad on a eisenhron speedrun, though
you can but you don't get anything out of it
it only died with morons that can't play it because it's not 5e. I love the game and the new patch only made it better. the only thing I'd change would make it RTwP but i understand that the 90's babies can't play a system like that, so I understand why they made it turn based. it's not a deal breaker to me.
they made it turn-based because RTWP has proven to be the inferior system that was a half-assed compromise to appeal to Diablotards
>we were born moronic
It's okay, I know it couldn't be helped
>RTWP subhuman thinking he has any sort of meanginful opinion to share
You're literally a lesser form of life. Nobody cares what you have to say.
RTWP was never good, merely tolerated. It wasn't good in the original Baldur's Gate, it isn't good in Kingmaker. It was never fricking good. RTWPgays need to realize this and promtly accept their on inferiority.
>i can't play RTwP so it's bad, okay??
lol
>y-you j-just c-can't play it
It's amazing how subhumans truly try to make themselves appear "better" by parroting shit like this? It's honestly no different regardless of which race of subhuman we speak about.
No, it's not "hard". RTWP technically is far easier than turn based, especially in the more recent iterations. You can set orders in advance and more effectively use choke points to completely confuse the AI and the pathfinding into moronic mistakes.
you simply can't play it, you're brain needs 10 minutes per turn. it's okay man, there are many such cases. you're entire generation is filled with them.
yeah anon you're so smart for stacking up all your buffs before combat and letting auto-attack take care of things
>l-look at t-this meme! s-see! t-this is you
>rtwp is for the big smart ones!
Subhuman continues to demonstrate his lesser intelligence. I bet even a gorilla would be smarter.
>90s babies
I was born in 1991, the vast majority of these services didn't exist until I was in high school or college.
anon has chosen to believe "Gen Z" means anyone born in 90s when it's more like the oldest were born in like 1997-1998
>c-can't p-play it
>I'm a big boy! I can play the hard stuff!
Like I said, subhuman.
why do you think Bioware kept developing ways to automate your party's actions? Because RTWP is objectively an awful system for a party-based RPG. RTWP is how we got to Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition, and why the WRPG genre frickin died.
>the only thing I'd change would make it RTwP
opinion discarded
>simping for a marketing gimmick that killed the genre
lol?
>lore eldars are low in numbers
>lol actually they fricking preparing a full scale invasion of an important imperial segmentum while fighting necrons,chaos and tyranid incursions all at the same time
Alaitoc is one the biggest. Also, Koronus is not a Segmentum, it's not even a fully fledged Sector.
And full scale eldar invasion is unlikely to be in the same manner as human ones
the Koronus Expanse is a largely unexplored frontier, not a fully developed Imperial stronghold
>important imperial segmentum
Koronus is a low pop frontier region, it's what northern Canada was to the British empire
>goes to thread about a game heavily featuring Eldar
>seethes that Eldar are in it
>demands that future content doesn't feature Eldar
>acts as if people who want more Eldar stuff (and don't oppose other races getting stuff) are the interlopers invading "his game" even though Eldar were in it from the start
>screetches that the world doesn't revolve around his subjective taste and some people like Eldar
Because its a shitty tactics game, barely a RPG. They may as well have just made it a squad based tactics game with space marines instead of a bunch of boring literal whos.
Shitty Owlcat writing. Snoozefest characters. Bugged out the ass. Like every Owlturd release. I assume the loyalty comes from the fact that Owlcat is Russian and Russians have a massive chip on their shoulder about their poor cultural output so they latch onto whatever shit falls from their ass like it's a gold bar.
>what went so fricking wrong
shouldn't have released after BG3, game feels super lacking and outdated after playing BG3
in a void its ok but still outdated with no terrain variance or traversal options
Should I side with Cassia or with clowns?
Assuming you're on the freedom route with her just let her do her thing, she'll make peace with the clowns and everyone is happy.
>Side with a fellow human or deceitful xenos
Gee anon I dunno
It was basically released as early access.
>This was supposed to give us the most kino 40k cRPG
yeah and it did, but you need to consider the bar was pretty fricking low
>the hype just died like a fart in the wind after release
the hype and the fun my dude, but as I told on the pre release threads: leave it to Owlcat to shit the bed as always
because the game has thousands of bugs, ranging from talents simply not working at all, bugged shooting lanes, maps bugging the frick out, and other annoyances to straight up not being able to finish the game because a trigger didn't fire somewhere 5 hours ago
In what ways do you think this game is better than bg3?
it's not 5E, and almost everything is better than 5E
also people seem to not understand that Owlcat makes the games for themselves, aka rollplayers not roleplayers, where autistic minmaxing is not only encouraged, but required to progress the games
It's got a better written story, better setting, better characters, better prose (though to be fair BG3 did most of its story through cutscenes), better dialogue, better gameplay (d100 > 5E) better bosses and overall encounters,
BG3 only shit like full voice work, cutscenes (which to be is subjective and not required for a crpg) and music (which is about the same level for both)
>You are laughing
>Rogue trader's peak was 0.975130468 smaller than wrath's and you're laughing
>muh peak
homie read your own post, you already admitted that wotr was had ten of thousands more player but not only that in your own posts you can see the avg user lose per month which is much higher at -56.19%vs -44.75% compared to WOTR.
This ia bigger IP done by a solid studio after having 5 years of experience and two solid releases on WOTR and Kingmaker under their belt how the frick you cant realize they fricked up hard with Rogue Trader.
Owlcat massively fricked up with Rogue Trader and it could been much better.
It looks the same players in number though. Wrath lost 13.7 in Oct and 4.8 in Nov
RT lost 12.1 in Jan and 4.7 in Feb
You can argue Feb isn't over (which by the way, is what lead to my mistake with the peak for the month, sorry) but as it stands it's got the same loss in players.
>MUH CHARTS
>MUH PEAKS
>MUH NUMBERS
jesus christ shut the frick up, literally the dullest conversation to have about video games
Actual copies sold at least has a point, let's you know if the studio can do more about that title or develop one in the future.
It's how we know Colony SHip is the last game made by Iron Towers and will just get some support by the road
The rest of the discussion feels pretty moronic
it's reasonable enough for speculation of it's financial success to the company and a posibility of the devs following up with a sequel or opening new chances and investing, but yeah, it's moronic to throw numbers for the sake of number wars
i really don't get the peak thing with a singleplayer, non subscription game, like if people buy it and play it over half a year vs play it every day that's still one sale
It's something to argue about. That's it.
It was an unfinished, bug ridden joke of a game. Aside from the ridiculous amount of bugs that rendered the game unplayable during/past Act 3 at initial release, the game makes BG3 look like a polished and finished product, which is laughable, since that game was cut to pieces by the time it released. But somehow, RT is even worse.
The game COMPLETELY falls apart on every level by Act 3, the combat (if you didn't already trivialize it entirely by mid Act 2), the itemization, the story, the quests, it all becomes barebones and obviously unfinished garbage. The "branching paths" are a joke, Uralon basically doesn't actually exist as a companion, the companion quests you do get are rushed and minimal in content, (look at Argentas quest for a prime example), and the games climactic ending is "hey look Necrons!" and then it's over. This is easily the worst of the three Owlcat games they've put out, which is baffling, because it's terrible for the exact same reasons, but worse, of the previous two efforts.
It's mind boggling that Owlcat somehow made a game whose final acts have worse and less content than fricking Kingmaker and Wrath, which were both notoriously bad in those respects. It's a travesty, and this game deserves to fail and burn for such incompetence. Just for fricking ONCE can this company ship a complete product? Either cut back on the scope of the game and finish a simple three acts, or take the time to fully flesh out and detail all five. It's that easy, and yet they can't seem to make it work. It's insane that the best end game of all three entries so far is still Kingmaker, which was the FIRST game, so not only have they not improved, they've gotten worse.
>the best is still Kingmaker
Opinion discarted.
Though with that said
>mentioning Uralon
Hereticsissy identified. Opinion even further discarted.
Correct, Kingmaker is the best owlcat game.
yes I think Owlcat is just lazy and wants to do as little work as possible to keep their fans happy
They presumably have more and more money to use in the game, yet their products have LESS and less content each time. Kingmaker had a campaign that could take 100 hours, Wrath shrunk to 80, and now RT barely makes 50
There were many who thought Kingmaker was too long. I disagree, but even still its obvious they are using that criticism as an excuse to put less and less game into their games.
Wrath single playthrough is as long as kingmaker, even if we count that a good part of kingmaker is skipping the last year to get to the final events and there is far more variance between playthroughs.
Anyone who argues Wrath had LESS content than kingmaker is a pure moron. Not arguing about quality, sheer content within the game.
Wrath only matches Kingmaker when you factor in Mythic Paths, and its still undeniable that RT is short and shallow
maybe with DLC it can be a slightly acceptable crpg length, but it still won't match Kingmaker or even Wrath
what's next, a 15 hour long crpg? That's Tyranny levels, and thats a bad look for your next standout project
>Short
>50 hours
Cute.
And again, Wrath campaign is easily the same content wise as Kingmaker. Kingmaker has literal dead time no matter your performance.
And of course we will factor mythic paths.
Why would;d we not?
I am being generous and not counting going through all the Wrath dlc too
>Cute.
Its true, its short and not satisying. Isn't RT supposed to be a crpg?
If you are fine with less and less effort being put into Owlcat's games, then you're the exact audience they want. Have fun with your $40 6 hour campaign releasing in 2027...just wait for this next patch, they forgot to add the final boss on release
RT has about the same length as Wrath at release no matter if you rush or not.
>Tyranny
don't fricking remind me. game just fricking ends on what is Act 1 of most cRPGs and then gets shelved forever
it is blueballs: the game
Yeah it's actually ridiculous how chopped up RT is when compared to RT, just look at the map exploration alone, after Act 2 in RT you've basically explored the entire map, whereas in Kingmaker you were just getting started with huge portions of the map to still travel through. And somehow, even with that massive reduction in scope, Act 3 and onward in RT still feels far less finished and put together than Act 3 and onward in Kingmaker, which was ALREADY a stumbling block in that game. How do you create less content, and then have it be even less polished and finished on top of it? Ridiculous.
well, it just felt like that they were like "we NEED to release this before x-mas" due to the fact I was certain not a single dev had actually tried playing the game from start to finish
just throw shit together and as long as it doesn't crash on startup, we ship it
>but the hype just died like a fart in the wind after release.
So what? Hype doesn't matter. I absolutely loved the game.
>what went so fricking wrong?
Owlcat develops games using the bethesda method, just tons of really shallow buggy content rather than focused good content. They cheat the indie dev system by grabbing big IPs and making the biggest game possible to appear to be far more than what they really are. If someone likes owlcat games I would just disregard everything that person has to say.
>Shallow
Nothing about RT is shallow. I don't think you get what shallow means.
Even if we discount 2/3rds of each classes talents due to one always going for what's optimal, you still have a metric frickton of build options. They've also taken steps to actually balancing the game being just officer spam with Argenta, every item has its use in the right build in the right time, and there's actual impact to your decisions in the story.
>Nothing about RT is shallow.
Yeah it is, the way archetypes work is objectively dumbed down and limited. 90% of talents are also completely useless. It's a moron game with bloat for the sake of bloat and extremely vertical progression, just like all their other games, except even worse somehow, and they've somehow managed to translate dogshit rtwp buff spamming into a turn based system. Like compare kotc2 to rogue trader, it's just shit shallow combat lol, even bg3 honor mode made me think more because even larian realizes combat should be fast and deadly with horizontal progression that expands options rather than arbitrary vertical straight growth.
Oh and another thing, RTs stats are hugely inflated over the tabletop version, because they know their fans are braindead numbers go up monkeys.
Do you really think the homosexuals that eat up Owlcats garbage combat systems have ever played something as divine as KotC 2? They don't even know what good turn based combat is.
I think bloat is a very good descriptor for most aspects of the game. There’s very little to be said about character stat or item progression, it’s just kind of there, technically functional but not very fun.
My belief is that I'd rather have 3 good options than 2 good options and 18 bad ones. Like I should be making hard choices when I build a character, RT characters mostly feel like ticking off boxes without sacrificing anything.
I already said, even if youc ut 2/3rds of every talent tree of every class that's still 4 starting classes which can each branch into 3 other classes on top of examplar. Of course when you're coming at this with completely uninformed opinions like
>90% of talents are also completely useless
>extremely vertical progression
>just like their other games (saying this about pathfinder's laughable)
>buff spamming
And then comparing it firstly to a niche game that few people will have played to prevent an accurate contention of your points, and then to BG3 so people can turn the entire discussion into memes.
It leads me to conclude that ultimately your're arguing in bad faith like a disingenuous c**t. And then for the cherry on top, anime reaction picture of a show you likely never even fricking watched. Of the e-girl of course, to generate extra anger.
So I guess tl;dr 10/10 bait, got me to reply.
Pathfinder progression IS vertical though, it's certainly not horizontal in any way shape or form.
Black person every level of pathfinder, or at least almost every level, opens up new abilities and spells and WOTR specifically throws in the mythic levels every so often for even more choice and then the fact you do this for every single companion.
KM is the same minus the mythic levels.
Your approach to combat should theoretically always be changing at least a bit at every level. You turn the games into buff simulators because you want to, not because you need to. Heck WOTR outright gives you a way to cast buffs once an in game day and move on if you're that annoyed by it (angel mythic path)
I'll give you RT of the three has the least options opening up, but it gives you new abilities 2 time in the first class, and 3 times in the second class. Not counting how talents impact combat.
Except those options rarely if ever actually increase your combat versatility, and instead just add more power onto what you can already do.
Are you talking about RT or Wrath/KM?
>I already said, even if youc ut 2/3rds of every talent tree of every class that's still 4 starting classes which can each branch into 3 other classes on top of examplar
No, starting classes clearly favor specific branches and exemplar might as well not exist. Every archtype tier is just checking off a list of good talents then "choosing" between incredibly shit leftover talents that barely benefit you. All the choice is illusory, just like pathfinder.
>but the hype just died like a fart in the wind after release
Rushed, Broken quests and blatantly unfinished.
Not even worth considering playing until 2.0 comes out.
>most of thread is about arguing sales, player count and seething about Eldar being in the game
Where did all this homosexualry come from?
The RT threads were normal for the past few days with people discussing gameplay and narrative and making lighthearted shitposts about waifu/husbandos and total xeno death.
Sales numbers came out and they're very good so the usual suspects are mad and must pretend the game is flopping instead. Also elves?
lol 5e. BG3 had a chance to be good if it was the superior 3.5e and level cap up to 20 (like all games) and the removal or complete rework of act 3
A3 was supposed to have way more stuff but it got cut
also 3.5 is just Pathfinder 1E kek
as much as I dislike 5E it was a big reason for the game's huge success because 5E was designed to be "babby's first TTRPG" and thus was incredibly normie-friendly unlike 3.5e where you very easily could brick a character if you didn't know what you were doing since it has so, so many noob traps
>so many noob traps
skill issue, try playing on the several journo modes made for you, if it's too hard to understand.
5E is bad as "babby's first TTRPG" because it never teaches players anything
"Baby first" game should be the gateway to the genre but 5e and bg3 are absolutely nothing like that
it teaches you gay sex and bestiality
>the superior 3.5e
pathfinder really spoiled me with choices, I'm not sure I'd be able to go back to basic 3.x
Playing in an actual Rogue Trader game the last few months reminded me why video games will always be an inferior platform to real roleplaying games.
Too be fair, we are kind of cheating using foundry
No, you're smart for using tools that make the process less painful. Can you imagine tossing all those dice or setting up maps? Thank frick Roll20/Foundry exists. I barely play videogames anymore.
>when ur DM is a computer genius and makes his own MapTools program
>Can you imagine tossing all those dice
i love rolling dice. it's why i will never ever use computer tools. they are completely covless
>release game
>shit get more broken to the point of unplayable the further you go into chapters
>repeat 3 times
if you still support this company even after all this, slavs cant code for shit and they certainly dont capable of learning from mistakes either. I end my case here
patch 2 days ago fixed most of that btw. bg3 is still broken today
does it fix the empty world and lack of content?
No because that's you lying and making things up that aren't real.
My full playthrough of Kingmaker took me about 230 hours
Wrath took 150, but that's without DLC, to be fair
Rouge Trader took about 70
How is this a good thing? Its definitely not a quantity vs quality approach, if anything the quests and writing in RT are less engaging
You're just got better
All three games are about the same size
he didn't even play on unfair and no doubt had to use toy box mod to help himself
>All three games are about the same size
This is laughable
Kingmaker added a whole extra act to the game that was not in the sourcebook, adding content and game time
Wrath did not have that, but at least it had Mythic Paths
RT has nothing like that, and they gutted another Act on top of it
what kind of israeli nonsense is this? I played core rules on both (as close to core on Kingmaker as I could) because that seemed to be the standard experience
I hope you respect crpgs enough to not turn these threads into some kind of fromslop fanbase, where any criticism is met with "JUST GET GOOD BRO"
>I played core rules on both
ahahahaha holy shit, you're fricking bad. Why are you even talking shit in this thread??
Out of curiosity, which game mode did you use for KM and Wrath?
I played full turn based for all games
Now that I type this out though, maybe the lack of content came from the lack of encounters in RT and in Wrath compared to Kingmaker, because they had to balance around turn based for some reason
similar to the "Kingmaker is too long argument", I always see "turn based filler encounters!!!"
I never understood this. I played Kingmaker entirely in turn based and I never once felt bored, and no I didn't use cheats, I played on as close to core as I could but put King management to easy from the advice of a friend
I don't see how you could finish RT in 70 hours on daring. Maybe on a repeated playthrough.
well I'm feeling less angry rn so in reflection its entirely possible I missed something or the game bugged and I just didn't know it, etc.
I'll wait for all the content to be out and then give the game a second fair shake
What do you mean? Daring is literally the "normal mode". Hard and Unfair are the only modes that add difficulty.
That's a simplification for all 3 games.
You could argue that normal is easy due to the bonuses you get, but the encounters are by design already extremely bloated when compared to the tabletop. This is especially true for RT because wounds don't scale there, but also applies for KM and Wrath with shit like the bloated AC.
Core/Daring is very much suppose to be harder than "normal", which, for the games are what is considered the baseline.
No you are just moronic, KIngmaker is much bigger if we are counting DLC content, wrath its much more linear but at least it has the mythic path altough only the lich one has real content maybe swarm if you are pushing it as for RT if you focus on only doing waht its neccesary instead of the exploring the optional content in act2 you end up wtih a much shorter game.
RT took me 130ish hours, slowly read everything and did all side content apart from recruiting the dark eldar
I took 100-150 hours on all 3.
They are slowly adding a bit of stuff to last acts, for instance they add Chorda companion dialogue on bridge, an anon posted pics last thread.
if anything, this proves the lack of a meaningful jump from Wrath to RT discussed in the thread: I bet most people are just waiting for all the actual content to be added to the game before they purchase a "complete edition"
It makes sense, since if you read the description of first DLC it sounds like cut content that should have been in the game from the start.
>patch 2 days ago fixed most of that btw
so where is the bug break point now? act 4?
Game hasn't been broken since the last patch before this one.
The only longstanding issue was Uralon.
Uralon is somehow still bugged after this last patch. Can't equip/unequip some items, his model is not shown when at inventory screen.
I didn't dare touch it after the shitfests that were Kingmaker and Wrath. I might pick it up next year after they patch it up and maybe there's a cool dlc.
>he is here
~~owlcat~~
BG3 probably didn’t help either
Unfair is not fun
Everyone is playing on core
All three games take about 80-120 hours to complete
Dude is literally moronic
I don't understand how you can manage to spend 250 hours on one playthrough of kingmaker
If you are a completionist autist Beneath The Stolen Lands its from 25 to 75 hours minimum
The Treasure of the Midnight Isles is even bigger
too bad something like that won't be in RT due to negative reception
oh well at least they aren't doing the moronic "play as someone else" shit anymore
>too bad something like that won't be in RT
We 100% get a season pass 2
Turn based, that shitty dungeon crawl dlc + the absolute fricking garbage kingdom management that's just there to artificially increase game time
what do anons think about PF2E
mage sissies need not reply, I already feel the seething impotent rage that you are no longer the best class by orders of magnitude
i don't think about pozzfinder at all. go to /tg/
Pathfinder in general seems like an annoying and flavorless setting so I don't really care.
It's just mid.
How are you supposed to reach max convinction rank? Unless Chapter 5 has choices that give points I guess I'n not maxing this.
You generally don't need to but it's doable. Depends on the conviction, Heretic probably needs it for the sword but I know Icono doesn't need more than 4 and I was like 20 away from 500 by the end having skipped some icono choices.
Yeah, doing heretic run right now and this sword needs max rank. I think I have some warp grenades too that for some reason need heretic zealot rank. Other than that its been fine.
Yeah, that seems tough, a lot of options are missable so idk if it's possible. Did you check for all the heretic projects? I know I saw a bunch when I had 2 heretic points.
Already in Chapter 5 so can't check anything. But I did all heretic projects plus other shit I could find. I have like 440 points and I guess that's final.
At that point you may as well just toybox it, the sword seemed like a big deal.
at least RT got rid of RTWP
That's only because the table top game uses the cell movement system. which is fine. Owlcat already stated this. Their next game with go back to traditional rtwp
That does that even mean?
Pathfinder/D&D uses grid like movement too.
RtwP is worthless. It's nothing but making it so everyone's turn goes at the same time. That's all it does.
yeah, it's having the battle play out in real time, it's fun. i don't know why zoomers hate it so much. i like turn based sometimes too. but rtwp is more engaging to me personally, lots of people feel this way.
Because it's shit. The AI more often than not can't handle it properly and just rushes the first guy closest on combat start, absolutely no thought to strategy or ideal targetting.
For example, something like priority targets like what RT has couldn't be done in rtwp due to to that.
That sounds like a personal problem though. If the A.I isn't doing what you want, then what's stopping you from manually controlling your party members? (which is what you should be doing)
The issue isn't my party members. In KM and Wrath it uses the more advanced version of RtwP where you can give individual orders for several turns. You can have a caster move then cast then move again then cast. I'm not sure how many turns you can queue up in each character, but it's enough to last a whole battle.
The issue is the ENEMY AI. They just pile in whatever's the closest character.
The only time rtwp is difficult truly is ambush battles because you can't approach a battle at your pace and position properly. Otherwise it's piss easy. At least with turn based the enemies can move properly and actually tend to target enemies behind the tank if they can (with spells and ranged weapons).
At the end of the day, Frogs always win.
BG3 and all the discussion around it seems fricking soulless
It's almost as if it's bots
They're just normalgays. It's not a coincidence they're all up in other rpg threads crying about romance and rtwp like their opinions mean anything.
thats because its a shitty meme game whose only fame comes from degenerate homosexual sex and bear scene
but enough about /crpg/
>what went so fricking wrong
Severe lack of orks.
>PF2E
>no slavery
Pozz edition
>kin on quetza genocide hundreds of thousands of humans
>why we are not butchers wtf guys
>it was to kill the homonculous
>did you get him?
>no
Doomer Yrliet in Quetza's great. She really learns to interiorize why humans hate her kind.
i really see no rteason to let moronic knife ears on quetza live. they demonstrated just how incompetent they are even when backed by clowns. Sorry, clownbro, you were cool and all, but with your extended family we simply can't make this relationship work
So do i lose anything of value if i BLAM irlyet, idirta and marzipan at the earliest opportunity
just RP your character how you see fit don't think about meta shit
But you lose some companion quest and Yrliet is a strong sniper + Idira has a good perilmaxx build
content, amazing bantz and combat ability?
also sovl
>irlyet,
nothing
>idira
best combatant and a nice person
>marzipan
funniest companion with peak bantz
>best combatant and a nice person
The best combatant is cassia and its not a contest. Hell i'd put idira behind Yrliet who can deal a good 600+ crit with the right circumstances.
Idira's aoe has less range, all her skills cost 2, and risk warp, and don't scale.
Cassia is only willpower, has a far wider cone, but also a strong laser and a melee one that ONLY COST 1AP. She's also an officer, and if you give her the Zone class she'll also start every combat first (and can give a free turn to anybody else) Get blood augury and the additional damage on hit at exemplar to get double proc, and you get a consistent +100/+150 damage everytime you cas the spell. And if you combine it with jae/officer ultimate ability she can cast it 7 time in a row. Literally nobody else in the game. Only extra turn can bother you. YOu can either wipe an entire room in 2/3 AOE or you can deal over 10000 damage in a single turn.
I'm honestly surprised they haven't nerfed blood augury yet in the new patch.
by melee I meant a single target, you can cast held in my gaze on a single enemy over and over to just dwindle down if its a boss.
I forgot to add that also you can get failry quickly a navigator staff that let you cast another spell in the same turn FOR FREE (six damage to herself, that's peanut) combine it with jae's free bonus and she can do it 4 times in a row before a single enemy attack.
>little baby so afraid of perils he uses crutch characters
>thinks 900 damage is something impressive
ngmi
>crutch character
I actually dealt 2800 on the final boss but forgot to
screencap.
YOu also ommit the fact that that its a single AP attack. Since you can use it 6/7 time in a row exponentially thats 10K damage.Tell me how you rich that with Idira.
perilmaxxing to the mega. and she's able to reach those numbers in early chapters, not on final boss
>risk warp
i don't risk warp, I actively welcome it
jesus, what a fricking pussy. if anything, there needs to be a mod to actively have veil degrade gauge at max at all times just to make every fight better and more engaging
>Only reason people bring idira so much is to max peril and get random wipe where half your team get prone.
I guess its expected for a W40K thread.
>get random wipe where half your team get prone.
L2Play shitter. this doesn't happen if you know how to actually build your party.
>I guess its expected for a W40K thread.
The only one admitting how fricking bad he is, is literally you. Having cassia in your group makes the game a joke. Imagine having a character that reduces the veil with every spell and has the best attacks and survival in the entire game. I don't know why you acting smug, when you're complete dogshit at this game. you no doubt played on one of the 5 journo modes as well. lmao shiteater.
Idira's demon summon comes with a flat warp damage to her. You can mitigate warp damage through various ways, so perils are really just another way to get more exp
There's a reason they made it so daemons summoned through warp shenanigans only give 5% the usual exp in the recent patch.
>they made it so daemons summoned through warp shenanigans only give 5% the usual exp in the recent patch.
oh man, they did? That sucks
lol they keep patching the best bugs
>bugs
It wasn't a bug, they just didn't expect people to perilmax as hard as they did and use the daemons for free xp.
Same way they didn't expect people to make a party that's basically just the RT, Cassia and Jae yelling at Argenta to shoot harder and faster.
At some point you gotta wonder what's their sense of balance is.
If you're ill prepared with bad initiative rolls the elevator fight in chapter 4 can tear your party to shreds.
I was not able to beat Uralon on daring with good or bad rolls.
After the second to last patch they did something to that fight though, it's broken and easy now.
That fight and the battle with yourselves is the only battles I struggle with. (well, that and that Black person agitator in the prologue).
For some random reason their argentia critted mine for 1174 damage with a salvo bullet.
>Black person agitator
Planet Rykard is a b***h if you hit it first. If you hit it after getting Cassia and the prison asteroid it isn't so bad. Though to be fair again, I was on daring.
I also had little issue with the battle against your other selves.
Uralon was genuinely tha hardest encounter in the game. Even the fight after is piss easy even though it's the actual "boss" of Euphrates.
Anon, 600+ on a single hit is nothing.
Cassia was useful because she combined her broken navigator spells with the office/gs classes. She could give extra turns + line everyone up perfectly for Argenta to just bolter them down over and over. Combined with a devastator staff it was brutal.
But they nerfed her damage on the spells and you can only extra turn once per round on a character, so it just isn't as powerful anymore
Meanwhile Idira can get 500+ on multiple targets easily with the bleedover talent that lets extra damage from a dead enemy pass over to other enemies.
Combine that with a shock staff and she can literally OHKO entire rooms of trash
And then you can buff and debuff thanks to both divination and telepathy psyker origins.
Oh and on top of all this, Idira can also use her operative class to severely debuff characters or increase her damage and then she can go either gs like Cassia to move first and anihilate rooms as described, or alternatively go assassin and you take the elusive shadow talent so she can just slink through combat and never get hit or targeted.
Lose in what way?
You lose their personal quests of course, which to be fair they're all fun, but each their own as far as if you'll enjoy them.
Yrliet and Idira are two of the three best offensive characters and Idira's also a great buffer and debuffer. Heck I'd argue Idira's the best character overall, especially now that Cassia's been somewhat nerfed.
Marazhai's shit gameplay wise. Or well, he's not as good of an assassin as Heinrix.
lol marzipan is amazing if you build/equip him right
unless you play on unfair which is bad for dodge tanking but they supposedly fixed that last patch
Nah, he's bad compared to Heinrix. They can both reach similar levels of dodge thus lethality, but Heinrix can also buff himself with a really good psyker spell selection and on top of that, Heinrix has the advantage that he comes in at level 5 so you've had the chance to build him from early levels to optimize him.
he had the bleeding talents and drukhari only armor plus yremeryss sword that steals stats
>500+ post threads daily
>hype just died
Who do you think you're kidding?
>>500+ post threads daily
well, let's not lie here. threads haven't been able to reach bump limit for the past week or so. still top comfy
Yeah, looks like you're right, yesterday's thread topped out at 426 posts.
not 500, but 400+
Love the threads
>"Can you imagine tossing all those dice"
>tfw when I used to play shadowrun
Just finished the game my capital got eaten by genestealers, I probablly should have read the planet project things.
Also the Elder invaded while Nomos was sleeping for some reason and fricked by kingdom up despite me doing everything in my power to help the shits.
Next time they're getting genocided.
>genestealers
Yeah it's avoidable, you just need to max projects and pass checks on the final event.
>eldar
You got Yrliet on the Path of Damnation so her doing the ritual failed to convince them. Her flags seem somewhat bugged so that can cause it.
>path of damnation
How? I saved as many of them as I could. Except for the few spaceships that were fleeing.
She became a corsair and started raiding my territory too, which is very fricking rude. But corsairs are hot so I'll forgive it.
Disapointed I couldn't get a political marriage with Heinrix.
Also what different endings can you get for Ulfar, he became a dreadnought in mine?
>How? I saved as many of them as I could. Except for the few spaceships that were fleeing.
if you convince her not to blame herself for craftworld and point out eldar are buttholes on quetza it adds to flags
I blamed her and the farseers. Didn't do the second thing
It's kind of stupid, it's based on flags you get from what you tell her in the spire with the farseers and then on Quetza, except some flags are weird. Like you get path of the warrior flag for telling her the chess piece farseer is just mad with grief and it's not her fault but you get path of damnation flag with one of the others if you tell her she couldn't have done anything and it's not her fault. Then on Quetza you can get a path of the warrior flag if you tell her the eldar are right and damnation if you tell her they shouldn't be saved or something. Then these get tallied up and when she does the ritual if path of the warrior > path of damnation then she succeeds and the other craftworld comes in peace and only picks up the stranded eldar. If not she fricks up and they come to kill people. I just barely made it with 1:1 flags from telling her not to blame herself and the one supporting eldar in the missable dialogue option with Yrliet during the stand-off.
>She became a corsair and started raiding my territory too
May actually be a bug if you romanced her or also path flags related. With path of the warrior she just goes off to help her people but hopes she won't ever have to fight yours.
>Heinrix
Never did that but makes sense he either picks his job or you.
>Ulfar
Good ending is if you pick all the viking type options where you add to the poetry and say pro-space wolf stuff, he joins the other pack and is happy, I think I got the dreadnought here too but not sure if bug. There are two bad endings, a sad loner one and the one where he succumbs to the Wulfen curse.
>I think I got the dreadnought here too but not sure if bug.
How is him becoming a dreadbnought a bad end or contradicts any of his endings? dude fights, dies, then fights again. such is life of a space marine, i don't see anything wrong with that ending
Yeah it seems fine but slides are very buggy so you can't ever be sure.
he can become a paladin in argenta's order, or so i've heard. Dunno how, either you have to encourage him to go out on his own or maybe not finish his quest. I also want to know if there's a way to prevent him from killing calcazar
>Just finished the game my capital got eaten by genestealers
you didn't do the final project. it doesn't matter which projects you do (which is terrible gamne design in an rpg) as long as you finish the last one
That's false. You can end up with the genestealer cult winning.
Kiava Gamma can also get fricked to heresy and Janus can get wrecked and lose its agriworld production capacity.
Very cute
how do i get a tech-priest g/f
that's your child you sick frick
Become a computer science major or take hardware repair courses.
I like the Icono option and how he's like "what, you turn machines off too, I was going to learn how to turn them back on, eventually".
Are there female tech priests?
Obviously.
you met one at start of act 1
Yes
Pasqal? P-praise the Omnissiah..?
I mean there's a floating rock right there, maybe he's hanging on to it with mechadendrites.
Warhammer 40k is seriously lacking in cyborg g/f's.
In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium android gf fist you.
No physical version.
Chapter 3
how to get jae to become shadow barron?
Does anyone have pics of new recruited Chorda dialogue? Did they actually add full dialogue or just more generic responses that don't open dialogue menu?
Man I didn't have that much bug (mostly the cone aoe just not hitting anybody, wery annoying.)
But then I wanted to get the chievo to sell your whole team to the inquisition after chatper 3... except heindrix straight up disappeared. He was not on the bridge or mentionned anywhere in chapter 4. I think its because I went straight from the coronation to the ambush without speaking to him, I dunno, despite asking to keep him he was never mentionned again.
Anybody had this?
Clearly the psyker and xenos conspired to get rid of him first, pretty based really.
>heindrix straight up disappeared
he found a qt on the lower decks to play chess with, sorry, you'll have find yourself another glowie to sell out your teammates to
>the game wasn't a flop
>wrath sold 250k in FIRST WEEKEND just on PC
>player count almost the same as wrath which is several years old 2 months after release
>the romance is good Yrliprostitute loves me despite being too disgusted to touch me but ok with touching Eldar hunks, who she never promises not to frick while dating you
>Fish troony loves me even though she gets knocked up by other navigator and I need to man up and raise the child
>"chad" inquisitor that gets fricked by the entirety of Cumtown's xeno stacey population and femcel trader has to lick xeno stacey pussy juice off his wiener
>40kiddieslop grimderp but with iconotranimal letting people frick "his" romance because it's the good thing to do
>0 build variety
>fights over in 1 or 2 turns
>shallow story
Yeah successful game
Why the frick do morons like you keep focusing on the number and compare it to wrath to talk about it a flop...
And then just rags about random romance details and random dialogue option so deep in the game that nobody and especially normie will know before getting the game.
How fricking turbo autistic are frogposters.
why the frick do morons like you keep replaying to muh sales schizos?
it's a fricking bait thread.
Make a better one so people can just rant about yrliet all day.
just don't take the bait and talk about something else
>"chad" inquisitor that gets fricked by the entirety of Cumtown's xeno stacey population and femcel trader has to lick xeno stacey pussy juice off his wiener
yeah it doesn't even make sense, he was stuck in tervantias lab
with the mad scientist who experiments on you and threatens to turn you into a divan for orgies
commorragh, amirite
>three finger elves
Superior.
Eldar should have 3 fingers for extra alieness.
go jack off to quarian porn you homosexual if you want that shit
Yrlicel, how many deldar staceys took "your" elantach?
0, mon-keigh
Elantach and Yrliet
Yrliet and Elantach
500k sales Froggy
Tick tock.
it was broken on release and still isn't bugfree even now. as for why it never picked back up again.. I think the combat system is a little undercooked and unbalanced. Additionally (and most controversially), I think rogue traders are lame and not why most people like 40k and certainly aren't going to be cool enough to pull in people who aren't already familiar with the IP. try to imagine it from the perspective of someone that doesn't know: a rogue trader is visually a posh British noble with sloppy-looking cyborg implants. visually/aesthetically lame. the richer-than-god space-merchant fantasy doesn't do it for everyone either.
Have they fixed the bug where Abelard and mandrakes can get stuck in a counter loop?
Wait, you can fight mandrakes at some point? I only had them in that one cutscene.
Heinrix quest in act 4
Oh , well that explains it, I'm
, rip.
Ah well, look on the bright side, you get to keep all the best party members instead. Did you by any chance take Heinrix to Commorragh? Some people can't find him there so he gets left with the drukhari, lol
Nope, already had my team by then, like I said I went from the coronation (where I said I wanted to keep him) straight to the ambush so maybe I needed at least one conversation with him in between. Doesn't help that before that they also say "hey I want to talk to you in the ship" after the foundry planet, only for him to bail before you can do that too.
>reacting to frog
>2024
bros, really
So, can you loregays explain a bit whats up with harlequin? I thought he was a drukhari because they let him do whatever he wants at a high level council, but then you just seem him mingle with Aeldari and some endings even has him control aeldari fleets. What the frick was his deal. They mention slaanesh but clearly he wasn't doing it for her.
Harlequinns get along with all the eldar. They're a neutral faction because their overall goal is to save all the space elves and defeat Slaanesh.
But specifically, Nocturne is a Solitaire. NOBODY fricks with a Solitaire, and all the knife ears as afraid of them because they play the role of Slaanesh in the clown god's "plays".
The various roles the Clown gives his followers have actual power and to embody Slaanesh is walking dangerously close to being soul fricked BY Slaanesh.
Harlequins are servants of one of the three surviving Eldar gods and the only one who isn't sundered into pieces or captured by Nurgle, and all Eldar respect them and give them a great deal of leeway as a result.
some space elves just like funny pranks is all
They're a different group of eldar who worship the Laughing God and know their way around the webway, they're accepted in all the other eldar socities where they usually perform plays about eldar history and stuff. This guy is a Solitaire, they're specifically the only ones who can play Slaanesh and are therefore marked by her unless their god fights it off to save their souls on death. There's a lot of superstition (?) that talking to one or interrupting one or accepting gifts from one can doom your soul or something which is why everyone else is pretty scared of him.
In the dark eldar novels there's a similar plot with a Solitaire showing up in Commorragh to talk to Vect (top drukhari dude) and stop a Chaos incursion. If you're wondering why Nocturne doesn't just save the farseers himself it's probably because that's not part of what he and Vect discussed so he's trying to manipulate events without picking an overt fight with the drukhari overlord.
Great game tbh, Owlcat is the only WRPG dev I bother with
thanks loregays, still think its kinda cheap that nocturne has to straight up inject us with steroids think that part could've been tweaked somehow to have the RT find someway to crawl out without help, since he would still help witht he arena escape anyway, oh well.
Well you've been tortured in horrifying ways and dumped down a garbage chute while your mind got stuck in a constant nightmare, makes sense that you only survive that because someone intervenes (it's hinted later that without him messing with the trial and Tervantias you would have been dead already).
What do you mean you "lost jimmi", Rogue Trader?
I get him conspirin/being accepting with xenos but the fact you can still cooperate with him when you're a straight up open chaos worshipper is fricking funny, from supposedly one of the best xenos hybris.
>xenos hybris
Ordo Xenos, anon. Xenis Hyrbis Inquisition members are too based for Jimmy
that was about Calcazar
Eh, he doesn't really seem like Xenos Hybris either
Emelina started saying something about that but Jimmi cut her off.
Chaos route is so shit I pretend it doesn't exist and that it's just RT's fever dream
The RPG system is very bland, which is best exemplified during combat. Almost every ability reads like an abstract DnD spell with a ton of tiny incremental effects that combine into a soup of mathematics. In general: this game plays like it was made by people who think that the most interesting part of an RPG is figuring out how to combine 10 different sources of +7% fart resistance to take 14.5 less toxin damage, rather than considering the numbers part a means to an end, ie: a tool used to create evocative character builds that can lead to emergent gameplay scenarios.
I hate cumrag
All my homies hate cumrag
>youtubers/streamers reading its name as Nomos and not Nom OS
morons
t.al OS
it calls itself Nomos though
God the footfall sewers are a god-awful mission, why make it a stealth mission when your shitty game mechanics do not support stealth at all.
The AI doesn't detect companion, just use yrliet or marzipan (they run faster) and relink them past patrol, Go right at the start and defuse the mine and its okay only the last guy is annoying because you gotta go straight fist then wait for a round to go back and another round to go left .
>nom oou-ess
What kind of autistic shit is that
>play on normal thinking the game would be too hard cause of kingmaker and wrath
>Have no idea how to build the characters
>barely make it to yrliet
>Win every fight by havinga bunch of officers give turns to her as she 1 shots everything
>Finally get tired watch character guides and copy them
>My characters deal 1/5 the damage the guide shows while they play on unfair
I dont understand what i did wrong
It's behaved almost exactly like other Owlcat RPGs. It peaked just under Wrath in terms of max concurrents and will probably have a similarly long tail as people pick it up in sales and such. But it had the same kind of broken Owlcat release too and it's still an old school isometric text based game. So if you were expecting a BG3 style crossover hit you were dreaming.
>it's still an old school isometric text based game
No old crpg plays like an owlcat game, this is a total lie.
wtf is xenos hybris?
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Xenos_Hybris
can't you just give me a qrd?
It's a conspiracy of radical inquisitors who think that learning, mutual understanding and cooperation with xenos is a path to Mankind's salvatiom
disgusting
We can only theorize that "Hybris" implies...
so you're telling me it's a conspiracy of coomers who just want to frick xenos? because that's what i'm reading here
yes monster frickers
If Owlcat ever makes a Dark Heresy game we better get to join
I mean they aren't entirely wrong considering how good xeno tech is
And the the beacon in the warp is almost kill
Well the thread is somewhat comfy again
New kino
so you gonna post it or what?
Real talk would the RT have to cuck Yrliet if he romanced her to make heirs? Are there more von Valancius dynasty heirs left or did all of them get killed?
There should still be some, Theodora only picked the ones she wanted. Also the whole heirs thing is dumb, pretty sure there's tech to grow them in vats.
Technically, with RT's resources, they can ask Biologis or similiar guys to make a vat-grown heir without needing second parent. There is also surrogate mothership
Most RTs have frick tons of heirs around, they constantly propagate the line and in the tabletop RTs are supposed to have entire harems on their ship. There should be tens of thousands of Van Valancius heirs around, all considered.
There most certainly are and they most likely have families of their own producing many potential candidates.
There's surrogate mothership or vat grown heirs via sperm donation, but that isn't necessary unless the RT really wants a direct heir of his own.
well as far as you go, they say that other heirs have been summoned at the start, but you and edelthrad are the only 1 on the ship at the moment. And the abelard speech is pretty clear, basically '' seeing as no other heir is alive and present here to deny it, you are the RT now.
I feel it would have been a cool setup if say after dargonus one of the other heirs show up and claims for your spot.
Half-Eldar are canon from multiple sources. Yrliet can canonically produce children for the Rogue Trader.
There are people who insist that this cannot pass nowadays, but those people are secondaries who hopped on due to "the inquisitor says exterminatus haha" memes. There are hundreds of thousands of mutant strands that are tolerated (almost entirely as servants and worker drones) and the average Imperial cannot even tell. Multiple lore sources validate Half-Eldar, and not one says its invalid (except one primer which was written for guardsmen which, on the next page, says Orks are tiny green creatures that cower in fear and fall over dead whenever you charge them with your bayonets.)
not in nu-GW lore which wages a violent crusade against non perpetual human males
don't the half eldars usually have eldar fathers not the other way around? Would make sense, who has the fricking lifespan to properly impregnate an eldar femcel?
What if they actually succeded (yeah I know elad and humans cant mix) but would a half xeno get auto excluded from line of succession?
I wish that dude got his elven wifu with touches and kisses. I truly do. He deserves that.
Needs the whole cast around the table and everyone's reaction shown
Just Jimmi. His is the only reaction that matters in that situation
Heindrix is irrelevant except to fembrains, sorry
that drawgay drew heinrix reacting to them at least 2 times thoughever
I want Marzipan's reaction.
His interactions with Yrliet kinda ended after his first warp travel while it was a great moment to start them anew.
>the hype just died like a fart in the wind after release
Imagine being this moronic
Its release was completely overshadowed by BG3.
Simple as that.
No SoB romance no buy
>implying there is anything there to cuck
Heavy FLamer might not be as busted as heavy bolter or stubber, but DAMN is it satisfying
The duality of woman
Thot
Abelard, please explain to the horny noble that I haven't had access to a clean pair of panties since before the mutiny.
Don't worry Abelard he'll get taken out of the line of suitors up by a certain xeno pirate later
He disaproves of winterscale man, he disaproves of jimi, he disaproves of marazhai. If he continues like this the femcel is gonna die a virgin. Is that what he wants? For the femcel trader to be a forever alone virgin that regularly has woman moments due to tfw no dick?
They aren't as loud as the Argent fans but I'd bet my Fishfu lewd collection that some femcels don't mind over-protective daddy at all
Pretty sure that'd only make Evayne hornier.
Does he come on as strongly with male RTs?
Cuz that really was an awkward conversation, especially given the situation.
may the next thread not have sales sperging